I don't agree with your observation, and here's why. During the entire video you can hear birds chirping. Cat wants to get in window to observe/kill birds, naturally. Cat can't get in window because curtains are in the way. Whenever wind pushes curtains out cat makes an effort to get behind them, even at one point "loading" it's legs to jump, curtain comes back, cat cannot jump into window and promptly gives up.
@xXFraudXx You're assuming the birds had something do with it. It's a reasonable presumption, but the video shows no interest in anything but the curtain itself. Maybe she was wondering why the curtain sounded like a bird. Finding it isn't a bird, she loses interest. That she was thinking and solving that problem - whatever the assumptions inherent in it - can't really be denied in my view.
@linuxluver It's more than reasonable, it's probable. She made all her advances toward the window whenever the wind blew the curtain out to expose the window, at one point even sticking her head up behind the curtain to look out the window. I never argued she wasn't solving a problem, I'm arguing what problem she's solving. She's not contemplating the profoundness of curtains, she just wants to get in the window and can't.
cute cat. we have 3 dogs- one is great at opening doors with knobs, the other is good at opening sliding pocket doors, and they make an OBVIOUS effort to combine forces to get all of the doors in the house open. The third is pretty new (found her in the road), but it appears that her contribution is going to be barking until I open the door. haha. Anyway, their use of team work is better than many people. It's cute.
jdankzick: It's a good thing I didn't use either of those words, then. I just said they "think" and provided a video example of an animal performing problem solving.
Most *people* are unconscious of a lot of things, so we would have to carefully define sentience before I would apply it willy-nilly to every human. There is a lot of "lights on, nobody home" around these days. In many ways, animals like cats and dogs are more aware than people. They see things we aren't even conscious of.
All humans whose minds are not damaged by disease or disorder are aware of themselves as a being, and are capable of grasping an intangible, such as love or "God". If any animals can grasp such concepts, then they do so in such a way that cannot be translated into our understanding.
I use the tools that are best for the job. Until recently, I did not have a decent video editing program for Linux, so used Windows Movie Maker. But now I've found "kdenlive" and it runs very happily on Ubuntu Linux, so you won' be seeing so much of Windows in my videos anymore. ;-)
Yeah....she is. When we went to the SPCA to choose a cat, she actually chose us, just about leaping out of the cage. The woman running the place said she had not seen her behave that way before......but maybe she says that to everyone. :-)
Never know, cats have pretty good people insticts...
I've had two cats 'choose' me: one crawled into my sleeping bag while camping in New Mexico. The other came up to me at work and attached herself to my ankles.
linuxluver, your Lula is such a beautiful kitty. Give her a hug from me. :)
CyberSlayerNo1 1 year ago
The unwavering concentration!! I always thought animals had a very small span, 2 mins is huge!
dreamcatcherr2002 2 years ago
I don't agree with your observation, and here's why. During the entire video you can hear birds chirping. Cat wants to get in window to observe/kill birds, naturally. Cat can't get in window because curtains are in the way. Whenever wind pushes curtains out cat makes an effort to get behind them, even at one point "loading" it's legs to jump, curtain comes back, cat cannot jump into window and promptly gives up.
xXFraudXx 2 years ago
@xXFraudXx You're assuming the birds had something do with it. It's a reasonable presumption, but the video shows no interest in anything but the curtain itself. Maybe she was wondering why the curtain sounded like a bird. Finding it isn't a bird, she loses interest. That she was thinking and solving that problem - whatever the assumptions inherent in it - can't really be denied in my view.
linuxluver 1 year ago
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xXFraudXx 1 year ago
@linuxluver It's more than reasonable, it's probable. She made all her advances toward the window whenever the wind blew the curtain out to expose the window, at one point even sticking her head up behind the curtain to look out the window. I never argued she wasn't solving a problem, I'm arguing what problem she's solving. She's not contemplating the profoundness of curtains, she just wants to get in the window and can't.
xXFraudXx 1 year ago
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xXFraudXx 1 year ago
@xXFraudXx That sounds fine to me. I'm defending the thesis of problem solving. But not too fussed about which problem. :-)
linuxluver 1 year ago
cute cat. we have 3 dogs- one is great at opening doors with knobs, the other is good at opening sliding pocket doors, and they make an OBVIOUS effort to combine forces to get all of the doors in the house open. The third is pretty new (found her in the road), but it appears that her contribution is going to be barking until I open the door. haha. Anyway, their use of team work is better than many people. It's cute.
baxterandcotton 2 years ago 2
cleverness is not the same thing as sentience
jdankzick 2 years ago
jdankzick: It's a good thing I didn't use either of those words, then. I just said they "think" and provided a video example of an animal performing problem solving.
Most *people* are unconscious of a lot of things, so we would have to carefully define sentience before I would apply it willy-nilly to every human. There is a lot of "lights on, nobody home" around these days. In many ways, animals like cats and dogs are more aware than people. They see things we aren't even conscious of.
linuxluver 2 years ago
All humans whose minds are not damaged by disease or disorder are aware of themselves as a being, and are capable of grasping an intangible, such as love or "God". If any animals can grasp such concepts, then they do so in such a way that cannot be translated into our understanding.
jdankzick 2 years ago
Animals have been proven to have self awareness and the awareness of the world around them, and some dogs can learn close to 400 words.
tohidefromourways 2 years ago
@jdankzick Then your dog doesn't love you....or you'd already know the answer to that. :-)
linuxluver 1 year ago
I like your video. I may very well favorite it.
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago
You're name is linuxluver, but the computer has Windows on it. Are you conflicted?
combatentropy 3 years ago 5
I use the tools that are best for the job. Until recently, I did not have a decent video editing program for Linux, so used Windows Movie Maker. But now I've found "kdenlive" and it runs very happily on Ubuntu Linux, so you won' be seeing so much of Windows in my videos anymore. ;-)
linuxluver 3 years ago
too too cute
planojudy 3 years ago 2
She's a pretty one.
TimberGeek 4 years ago
Yeah....she is. When we went to the SPCA to choose a cat, she actually chose us, just about leaping out of the cage. The woman running the place said she had not seen her behave that way before......but maybe she says that to everyone. :-)
linuxluver 4 years ago
Never know, cats have pretty good people insticts...
I've had two cats 'choose' me: one crawled into my sleeping bag while camping in New Mexico. The other came up to me at work and attached herself to my ankles.
TimberGeek 4 years ago
Thanks, K. :-)
linuxluver 4 years ago
thats so cute! I didn watch the whole video I hope he was hurt.
EricOerinToo 4 years ago
lol, she takes her time to investigate. 5* A.D.
4DRY4N 4 years ago
No one said she is a FAST thinker. :-) Lula never does anything fast.....except run to her dinner bowl.
linuxluver 4 years ago
Aaawe... Lula rules!!!
MrsAtomicUs5000 4 years ago