5500-ton Russian iron ore train departing from Vartius

[moptim]

I can feel it how the voltage drops heavily in the overhead wire :P

[grtws563563]

nice clean video...... keep it up man

[fater52]

I think the rails are curves at 2:25.

[tmechatronik]

3:54 where is the train end signal?

[Kyosuke1989]

@tmechatronik Unfortunately no such things anymore here. Last were taken out of use on 2005.

[mrmrdean1]

PUT HER IN H

[GayBoyRunning]

thats tiny compare the BHP Billiton ore train & is the worlds longest & heavyest. Weight 99,700 tons & moves 680 cars of iron ore.

[97tommygun]

holy mother fuck thats a big..ass..train

[MegaFred55]

Squeaky horn compared to our US locomotives.

[sleeptyper]

600 amperes running thru that overhead wire :O

[NikonStudio]

целых 2-е минуты БЕЗТОЛКОВОГО видео !!!

[eurotruckfan1]

sorry, just realized it say in description. oops...

[eurotruckfan1]

chocolate! oh, sorry, nice vid! btw, what train is that?

[MrZkr123]

just give them 2 Dash-9's from the US and they could pull that easily

[Kyosuke1989]

@MrZkr123 But with more emissions and noise, with electric locomotives there is just pure electric power running that train. When accelerating, these 3 Sr2's use 15 megawatts of power to 12 axles, and that is more than your 12 axle 2 Dash 9 with some 6,5 megawatts :P

[qj7205]

@Kyosuke1989 Also, electric locomotives reach considerably higher speeds than diesel locomotives... :-) Their traction effort might be the same, but they can keep it high until higher speeds, whereas the tractive effort curve of a diesel locomotive drops quickly once moving...

[woodscritter]

@qj7205 That's nonsense about the tractive effort of diesel-electric dropping quickly once moving. Consider that power = force x speed, so for constant power, TE would be inversely related to speed.

Looking at the condition of these tracks, nobody's going anywhere fast, so it's a moot point anyhow.

[qj7205]

@woodscritter For example a Class '66 diesel locomotive can start a train with 480 kN, but until which speed can it hold this? Usually this number starts to drop from around 10 km/h... An average four axle electric, such as a Traxx, has a tractive effort of 300 kN, but it can hold this until almost 90 km/h, which makes a huge difference while climbing! With a Traxx, we climb a 1% grade with 1800 tons at 90 km/h, a Class '66 with the same weight keeps it at 40 km/h... ;-)

[BuffersYeoman]

@Kyosuke1989 It takes people from all walks of life and from around the world, electric trains, electric trams even electric cars. Yes electric is clean, and this is the selling point rammed down our necks!

Just stop all of you., where do you think electricity comes from?, that little plug in the wall. NO it has to come originally from either coal in it's true form or by product of it. Stop this stupid idea that electricity comes from outer space without any pollution!!!!!!

[Isochest]

@BuffersYeoman Probably from Hydro Power here

[Kamradec]

@BuffersYeoman

Power plants are using more effective energy production cycles and way more effective waste processing and air/water filtering systems. Also, you may have heard about nuclear energy and hydroenergetics.

So yeah, electric transport is BY FAR more eco friendly than transport that runs on fossil fuels. Stop defending the stupid mentality that still dominates american minds. I've never seen people more stubborn with their delusions.

[N330AA]

@Kyosuke1989 actually, as 2 dash 9s weigh significantly more than 3 of these, they will be able to accelarate with more hp than the electric units. These electric units will use less energy overall though, and in theory will be able to reach a faster speed.

[Skoda130]

@Kyosuke1989 For electric power, there's a smokestack somewhere else.

[tupsumato]

@Skoda130, yes, but it's probably far more efficient than the small engines in the locomotives.

[Skoda130]

@tupsumato I doubt that. There might be a difference, but the further electricity is transported, the more energy goes to waste, due to the resistance of the infrastructure.

[tupsumato]

@Skoda130, I think the losses in the grid are negligible in comparison to the higher efficiency of the centralized power (and heat) production in large power plant. I'd guess the difference in efficiency between a large coal plant and a diesel engine in locomotive scale could be around 20 %.

There are other issues as well. Trains in Finland run mainly on hydropower and use regenerative braking, i.e. feed electricity back to the grid when braking. I doubt a diesel locomotive can do that...

[Skoda130]

@tupsumato Well, the electricity part of the coal plant might be efficiënt, but steampower in itself isn't efficient at all. Hydroplants are. :-) But you're definetely right about regenerative braking. In America they have experimental "hybrid" loco's, that have large accumulators as well. Electrodynamic braking can be an option on those.

[paperkiller25]

@Kyosuke1989 But where does that electricity come from? Coal Nuke Hydroelectric.. a couple monkeys rubbing balloons on their heads holding a wall socket? How much more efficient was it to raise all those electrical poles the entire route than just running a few diesels for the train?

[titanicissuper456]

@MrZkr123 no a single dash nine could pull it, and i'd honk a horn in anyone's face who says it can't

[randog69]

59X70=shut up

[Zsebenyi]

59 x 70 tons = 4130 tons, it seems you included the 3 engines and the weight of the waggons...

[Kyosuke1989]

@Zsebenyi Wrong, locomotives are 84 ton each, making total weight of locomotives 252 tons, and then the wagons about 5250 tons, there are 56 wagons, each wagon's weight is about 90-98 tons.

[bebtozoltan55]

Zoltan bebto from Hungary

[iltapalamies]

terve,mistä olet tämän kyseisen tavarajunan kokonaispainon saanut selville?.katsoitko esim.vaunujen määrän+niiden painot plus 3x sr2-vetureiden painot eli 83 tonnia?.ajattelin kysyä kun itsekkin tykkään välillä junia kuvailla:).

[Kyosuke1989]

@iltapalamies No, juuri tätä päättelyä hyväksi käyttäen...

[iltapalamies]

@Kyosuke1989 juu,paljonkos tuommoisen yhden vaunun paino on lastin kanssa?.onks se 60 tonnia vai enemmän?.ajattelin kysyä iha kun olen videoitasi katellut,nii kiinnostuksesta vaa kysyn:).

[Kyosuke1989]

@iltapalamies Akselipainolla 24,5 tonnia x 4 akselia/vaunu, se tekee 98 tonnia/vaunu :)

[iltapalamies]

@Kyosuke1989 okei:).noita vaunujahan tuossa taitaa olla 56 vedettävänä jos oikein laskin?:).kiitti vastauksestasi:)

[MajSolo]

If the wagons leak then it would "perhaps" be more fun to take a bag and run around collecting after a coal train :)

[morfeusz120]

Awesome vid.Great.

[st44001]

Polski ET-22 na liniach równinnych bierze 3200 czyli 40 węglarek czteroosiowych z węglem mój rekord 4005 ton plus uszkodzony ET-40 ale to dawne dzieje takich pociągów w Polsce już niema

[Rsha1942]

Ei taida Marsut kovin usein tuollaiseen hommaan ehtiä kun niitä tarvitaan pääradoilla matkustaja junien vedossa ja Marsuja on aika vähän.

[mrxxxx63]

@Rsha1942 Nuo on Oulun vetureita ja kyl nuo riittaa, onhan oulussa Sr1 vetureita kuitenkin, jos Sr2:set ei riita

[czarek1980]

serresjio jesli potrafisz odpisac po angielsku i wiesz co napialem w jezyku polskim to prosze pofatyguj sie i odpisz w jezyku polskim;-)......pozdrawiam....­..p.s. a co do ET-22 to niczego to nie zmienia w przeliczeniu na moc lokomotywy + ilosc wagonow i ich calkowita pojemnosc;-)))))....prosta matematyka;-))))).....

[czarek1980]

no spoko;-) ale jak na trzy elektrowozy tylko 59 wagonow??? nasz elektrowoz ET-22 "sama" potrafi pociagnac 39 ;-P..........

[serresjio]

@czarek1980: these wagons are fully loaded with superheavy iron ore. is your et-22 can drag 39 wagons with same load or these 39 wagons you mentioned was empty?

all this train have a 5500 tons weight, means that each wagon have a ~93 tons GW. since such our russian wagon have a 21..23 tons of weight as empty, this means that each wagon loaded by a net weight of ~70 tons, where it's maximum nominal load is 69.5 tons

[OrionOff]

it is not a russian loco

[randknu]

They look like the swizz Re460

[Kyosuke1989]

Yep, it's basically the same locomotive, except 25kV electrical equipment here in Finland.

[Raphi3982]

@Kyosuke1989 And the Track is wider! :)

[braunovic]

@randknu

is it the Re 460

[a1l9e9k3si]

@randknu maybe because they are?

[zombiesonacid]

I bet that drains the power a bit! They won't let a Class 92 throughsome parts nowadays due to the power consumtion!!!

[Filbob21]

so you can collect iron ore from the track after such train had passed?

cool waggons!

[Kyosuke1989]

Hmm, they are not leaking so much, but because there's many trains already passed with these wagons, you can see pellets on track clearly..

[HIGHVAASTECH]

Soviet electric locomotive ВЛ-85 of 1985 year of release has capacity 10020 kW, is much more powerful than these electric locomotives...

[Kyosuke1989]

Well, Russian locomotives are generally more powerful than European locomotives. But still these are more powerful than that one, when three Sr2's are coupled together.

[Renegade1008]

Fine electric locos:no noise,no emission-just superpower!!!

[ThePooper42]

Komeasti lähtee! Mites, paljonkos on Vok-vaunun Sn? 80?

[Kyosuke1989]

Sn 70.

[ThePooper42]

Lovipyörien takiako?

[Kyosuke1989]

Se on yksi syy, ja toinen syy on melko lailla tonneja perässä.. Sn 70:stä juna pysähtyy lyhemmälle matkalle, mitä 80:stä..

[alexhearn]

Man, that was riveting.

[granskare]

In Upper Peninsula of Michigan, iron ore has been pelletized...good way to get more ore from the open pit mines - :)

[furryfurball1221]

really cool video! I wish the US would jump to electric power for freights

[Kyosuke1989]

US has so much different companies running railway business and oil price there so low.... That is the main thing there that electrification on US has not gained notable percentage of tracks.. No company private company wants to invest there on infrastructure, because of if they would electrify tracks, currently used diesel locomotives would be useless without converting them to electric traction. And if not so, electrification would be useless..

[andybowe]

I think that If the Goverment of USA helped Railroads electrify freight routes think of all the money Amtrak and freight trains companies would be saving on fuel?

[BudmanPackfan]

the Milwaukee Road had the most extensive eletrified mainline network in north america from 1915 to 1974. They foolishly took down the wires then because they thought the copper wires would net them some much needed cash. Instead, the price crashed during the dismantling and they got less than half of what was estimated. MILW might still be running today had they gone with the GE proposal and upgraded the system and new locos at that time.

[nikomo37]

I've heard about 12000-t train, powered by steamers. That was in Russia at ww2 time

[SteffanLlwyd]

Wow! That is a huge tonnage. I can't imagine the forces involved in getting it moving!

[lms264t]

Here in the U.S. the Union Pacific hauls 15000 ton coal trains on a daily basis. Each trains has 100 center dump coal hoppers that carry 100 tons of coal. There are usually three of four locos at the front, and one remote control loco at the rear of the train.

[Kyosuke1989]

That's in US. On Finnish scale, this is one of the largest trains in Finland.

[SteffanLlwyd]

That is truly awesome. How much max DBHP does that add up to on up-grades?

[Kyosuke1989]

Hmm. Three locomotives total 15000 kW and therefore HP 1,36*kW= 20400 HP...

[SteffanLlwyd]

'Magine 20400 actual horses on the point. That's a lot of grunt!

[Greg00015]

Good for you.

[CapenhurstSamuel]

I thought it would never pass! But worth the 2 minutes lol...

Nice train and great sounds - your lucky to live in such a busy freight district with such nice surroundings... =)

[analogi64]

Super scenerios

[Koploper1450]

Great video!!!! 5*

[alan990]

Awesome Train !!! 5*

[malmkongen]

whats the output from one single locomotive?

[Kyosuke1989]

"Their power is limited to 5MW (5000 kW) per locomotive, because of warranty. Unlimited power is 6000 kW per locomotive." (Unlimited power is not yet allowed to use.)

[jim40135]

The 20100 horsepower certainly speeds the train! Is the Vartius branch for freight only?

[Kyosuke1989]

True. :) Yes it is, it was built in mid-70's.

[jim40135]

Thanks. Is Kontiomäki busy place for freight?

[Kyosuke1989]

Yes.