In all this game, the devil is losing and at the end will be accused of everything because GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form, following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil because he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
Come on they just nead to embrace Multiculturalism instead of being frightened of what they dont know. Cultural diversity will enrich West Papua. There are already Indonesian restraunts there. It is the racists causing the violence.
@blackegg1000 Indonesian race is belong to the most hypocrite race called oriental asians, like japanese. Japanese and Indonesians are one! I'm Pacific islander and i hate asian invaders invades papua called indonesian dogs!
Dasar Indonesia Biadab...SETAN! STOP GENOCIDA...! selamatkan bangsa Papua dari NKRI (Negara Kesatuan Republik Iblis); Iblis (Indonesia) memengsa Bangsa Papua satu per satu di bunuh dengan SENJATA MILITER NKRI (Negara Kesatuan Iblis), Diracuni makanan dan minuman dan banyak cara yang pake untuk menghabiskan orang Papua, karena Papua tanah kaya dan luas jai mau menjadi milik Indonesia ketika orang habis.
STOOP Kolonialisasi NKRI (Negara Kolonial Republik Indonesia) terhadap bangsa Papua);
Yes, fuck Indonesia! But BIG FUCK FOR ALL EUROPEAN COLLONIAL NATIONS! They werE/are the roots of the problems. Holand, the steengy, small,poor nation plundered Indonesia's riches for 35 years.Spaniarrds, the Bristiss did the same thing. The FUCKED the Indonesia's land for years with their greed! Germany was fined DM132 billoon for inciting the first world war I. Have holands and othe evil colonials be fined? Noops! Both Indonesian and Europeans countries are EVIL HIPPORRISTS!
Yes, fuck Indonesia! But BIG FUCK FOR ALL EUROPEAN COLLONIAL NATIONS! They werE/are the roots of the problems. Holand, the steengy, small,poor nation plundered Indonesia's riches for 350 years.Spaniarrds, the Bristiss did the same thing. The FUCKED the Indonesia's land for years with their greed! Germany was fined DM132 billoon for inciting the first world war I. Have holands and othe evil colonials be fined? Noops! Both Indonesian and Europeans countries are EVIL HIPPORRISTS!
Yes, fuck Indonesia! But BIG FUCK FOR ALL EUROPEAN COLLONIAL NATIONS! They werE/are the roots of the problems. Holand, the steengy, small,poor nation plundered Indonesia's riches for 350 years.Spaniarrds, the Bristiss did the same thing. They FUCKED the Indonesia's land for years with their greed! Germany was fined DM132 billoon for inciting the first world war I. Have holands and othe evil colonials be fined? Noops! Both Indonesian and Europeans countries are EVIL HIPPORRISTS!
@malaysiakelautaja bencana yg mana?? !!! waktu TNI bunuh orang2 /anak2 Papua di Biakdi menara air ka? bencana yg mana sebenarnya....km tau persis z pu maksud....jadi jangan kasih itu contoh saja krna z bisa kasih contoh2 banyak dariTNI/ pem RI ...tapi z rasa km sendiri tau jg!!
@Starchild03 bencana wasior ? masih inget ga ? terus kalo papua bisa merdeka sendiri bisa menjamin ga negara papua bisa menjadi negara maju ? mau kaya Timor Leste yang hanya jadi pantat australia ?
@malaysiakelautaja ....sekali lagi....itu satu contoh saja yg dari ko pu tanah Indonesia ...terus apa??? sa masih ingat itu bencana di wasior...tapi ingatan....kalau Papua tidak ada...Indonesia sendiri tidak ada apa2....kekakayaan di Indonesia smuanya dari Papua...mungkin tidak semua tapi 80% dari Papua...Indonesia sendiri cuma ada sawa2 & Garuda Indonesia...whoehahahahahahha...pasti kalau Papua merdeka kami menjadi negara maju....nanti Indonesia musti minta tulung/bantu dari Papua!!
@Starchild03 80% apaan ? freeport ngasih ke indonesia cuma 1% doang tapi bisa bikin indonesia maju hahahaha, anda tau darimana bisa maju ? emang segampang ngerobek kertas ? haahaha pikir dulu sebelum berbicara cukimay
@frownstrong Actually, indonesia doesnt have a legitimate claim on Papua. The international community never supported the Act of Free Choice which was considred as indemocratic since only 1025 Papuans participated to the vote. I am tired of discussing this, you need to inform yourself further...
@malaysiakelautaja because @ least Ofionnain knows how history went....all the involved countries knew & still know that those 1025 Papuans were forced to choose for RI....exactly like Ofiannain says: you really need to inform urself properly before u start speading ur pro RI propaganda here on youtube....the good thing about the internet is..now everybody will see & know how the government of RI treats the native Papuans!! but just like Ofiannain I'm tired of arguing with you...
@malaysiankelautaja because u clearly didn't check the facts & the history!! It sounds like u very easily step over the decades of the violation of human rights day in,day out in Papua...but u will probably have answer to that one too!!
@frownstrong These Javanese that colonize Papua aren't in legitimacy in this modern world, this is nothing but an attempt at demographic assimilation. The indonesians are doing like The europeans did centuries ago, colonialism is not an accepted policiy in our modern world and with reason if you see what happened to the colonized peoples. Javanese and other non melanesian indonesians should be excluded of a Papuan referendum.
@frownstrong You talk of disease and misery... But disease was brought by the outsiders and misery is only existent where attemps have been made at making them sedantary. Ethnologists proved that they live well in their old ways, they dont lack food or anything and not all tribes engage in tribal wars. Also some of them do not want to adopt our ways and should not be forced to. Most of Papuans are christians or anumists. No religion is worth more than any. Conversion is out of question.
@frownstrong I'm not saying we should just let them alone because they are becoming part of our world, I'm saying we have to give them the choice to live in their traditional ways or live in the modern ways. We should also attempt at refrainign them from making tribal wars and educate them about the rest of the world and the modern knowlesge if they wish to. But we have no right to ask them to wear western clothes or to stop their nomadic or semi-nomadic way of life.
@frownstrong if you wish to make a valuable comparison you should rather compare the situation of the Papuans to the colonialism period where Europeans would enter in contact with less technologically developped cutlure. That's what happened in Africa, also in the american continent with the native americans or in Australia with the Aborigenes. Don,t tell me that the resuslts were for the best, they were living well before their contact and attempt of assimilation with the Europeans.
@frownstrong You know nothing of the extent of my knowledge in the world's history so stop talking if you did. You cannot compare the cultural assimilation in papua to what happened in Europe in Late antiquity and High middle ages. The difference between the modern western based culture is incredibly different to that of the Papuans, the technological difference is also too great. In comaprison, the difference betwen roman and celts wasnt this big.
@frownstrong Pacific protests attemps have been made in the past, one happened in a village where the people proclaimed Papua's independance by raising the morning star flag. Then the army came in and opened fire on the unarmed civilians. This happened in 1997 if I remember well.
@frownstrong This goverment you talk of has virtually no power, it is only there for appearances and to give the indonesian goverment a fake lefitimacy. people take arms to fight the indonesian goverment to free papua or at least bring the international attention to their cause...
@frownstrong Attempting to convert Papuans to Islam and corrupt their culture, this is disgusting... War is not the solution, the only solution is independance by democracy. (Excluding the Javanese colonists of course)
@frownstrong yeah true,,, and Islamic countries are the worst in d world.Poor society and the quality of life is ZzzzZzZz .... :| we have condom :D aint no afraid of HIV....
@frownstrong EXCUSEZ-MOI monsieur! WHY do you always say that ISLAM is the answer for Bla BlA bla Bla.... Iuwwww ???? Indonesia aint an islamic cntry n it has nothing to do about West papua ?!?! @H1MLA East-Timor was not part of --Nederlands Oost-Indië-- It was part Portuguese Empire :D :| and yeah Muluku pepz is just like Nusa Tenggaran pepz :) hehe
@frownstrong you keep repeating your deviation crap about good and bad people. However, you still can't bring yourself to condemn bad muslim indonesia for its genocide campaign against the indeginous folks of West Papua? See how flimsy your empty talk of good and bad people is? As for muslims, well you are not exactly the most tolerant people on earth now, are you? So don't blame me, I'm just exposing you muslims for what you really are - intolerant nazis fascist evil muslims people.
@frownstrong its you who's the idiots. You are generalising a race of people by calling them canibals and saying, they must become robots members of the cult of islam and you think, you are a rational person? LIsten, if you do NOT know what the words ''occupation, genocide & racism'' means, I suggest you look it up in a dictionary. How stupid are you? A nation of people are being murdered by your fascist islamic state, yet you justify it and expect me to respect you? U must be out of your mind.
@frownstrong hahahaha Dutch travel agencies have been giving out those advises for 15 years now at least once a year....and as far as PNG well WP & PNG are allies as far as it comes to giving shelter to those who are forced to flee abroad....but you'll probably have an answer to that one too...I keep getting this feeling I'm talking to a wall
@frownstrong Its 2010 and here you are, spouting racist lies that West Papua people are cannibals, simply because they are BLack. Yet you wonder why they want you out of their country.
@frownstrong I'm not your friend. I do not make friends with muslim fascists, talkless of an Indonesian muslim fascist, who support the genocide of Black West Papua & Black Maluku people by the muslim indonesian fascist state.
@frownstrong are you serious??? when was the last time you have been to West Papua? What primitive mind & sense do you have...you still think the Papuans live in the Stone Age era?? Plus the ones that stil do ..they do that by own will...why do people like you always wanna change them?
@frownstrong More fascist talk from you. Are you stupid or what? The indeginous nation of West Papua DO NOT want anything to do with nazis muslim Indonesia, don't you get it? Like East Timor, West Papuans want evil muslim fascist indonesia out of their country. They have NOTHING in common with you ie you don't mix with them, you call them inferior Blacks, you murder them. So why on earth would them want to be rules by indonesian muslim fascists like you?
@frownstrong And your point is?..Cuz you say RI army is spreading misery all over the country so also WP...so?...does this justify anything...and so you say..well just accept all that and be proud and happy either way? You gotta be kidding....plus you talk about AIDS & Alcohol problems in WP
@frownstrong No, the occupational Indonesian colonist governor of West Papua is a Asian Ethnic Indonesian from Indonesia itself, you bare face liar. You wouldn't find a Black West Papuan person to support you. Go fuck yourself or your sister, cousin whatever as you sick muslim perverts often do. Goodbye!
...you should ask yourself how those problems came there in the first place...this had/has nothing to do with absense of any sort of religion..so please don't throw that religion card!! Papuans were living in relatively peace loooong before Islam or Christianity came
@ frownstrong ...you might wanna check the videoclip at the right of this clip. It's the one called: West Papua - Australian TV commercial.....I'm curious what your opinion is about that one?
@frownstrong More lies. What about Maluku? Are they Asian Indonesians as well? You lying son of islam fascism. You muslims are so full of sh!t (i mean, having a paedophille man as your leader aka mohammad takes the biscuit), you lack credibility in debate, as you constantly lie to defend your sect of Islam. When you were occupying East Timor, you falsely claim it was part of Indonesia and use asia settlers indonesians to try to change the ethnic face of the country, like you are doing now in WP.
@H1MLA...my friend don't spend anymore of your precious energy & wise lessons cuz frownstrong & foxfreaker are not worth it..they are to narrowminded & blind to what really is going on save your words for those who might really care & prepared to listen!
@Starchild03 I know, but I relish showing up these vile fascists indonesians for what they really are - evil occupation force of death. I know alot about the history of Indonesia, its muslim jihad beliefs etc, etc. Don't forget what they did to Indonesia Chinese folks a few years back in recent history. Indonesians (mainly, muslim Indonesians) have shown themselves to be nothing more than criminal neo-nazis.
@frownstrong Oh, I'm still waiting for you to give me a list of Black West Papua MP's in Indonesia government? Besides, who's the governor of Indonesia occuppied West Papua? He is NOT an Indeginous Black West Papuan is he? or maybe the Indonesian army committing genocide in West Papua are made up of Black West Papua troops? An honest answer from you would be nice (even though, I know lying is a muslim hobby lol).
@frownstrong I'm not confused. My point remains, you can qoute mohammad's paedophilli texts from his novel, but those texts doesn't hold any weight in the right to self-determination for the people of West Papua. Now, if your fascist muslim state of Indonesia aren't scared of democracy, why don't they let the UN conduct a free and fair referendum in West Papua and ask the Black nation people of West Papua, if they want to be ruled by fascist muslim indonesia er?
OMG...I've been reading these comments made by frownstrong & foxfreaker and the only thing I can think is like...come on now...how naieve can you be & how can both of you keep their eyes shut to the daily actions by the Indonesian Governement & Army...but worst of all you can't even admitt a little bit of what H1MLA says...sad to see/read how ignorant & narrowminded you two react....
and last but not least especially for @ frownstrong you talk about before the Dutch the Papuans were already a part of Indonesia...you might wanna re-check your facts & history because if I recall correct before the Sukarno-era there was no such country called Indonesia...there were all the independent islands even the era you talk about ruled by the Sultan of Tidore did NOT consist of all the islands now known as modern Indonesia!!!
@frownstrong You are truely a dense man, aren't you? My point is this, your koranic texts had no bearing in this debate, okay. It means nothing. This is about human rights, koran, mohammad or allah doesn't mean shit in this debate. The whole point of the matter is, muslim indonesia is occupying West Papua and justifying its present there based on muslim need for expansion & domination of non-muslim following people.
@frownstrong Stop deviating from the main topic ; Indonesian occupation of West Papua. I repeat again for you, why is Indonesia committing mass genocide in West Papua? Do not bother to reply if you insist on spouting your usual muslim crap.
@H1MLA hahahahhahahahahahah ur so funny, well i want to debate with ya :D maybe cz I ain't a muslim so u got no idea what to say 2 me, yeah? oh pleas dunn fo'get to open this site westpapua(DOT)net/2009/09/619 yeah It will help u understand what the real problem is..... <3 and these video on Yewtube that st8 that Papuans want an Independence, it's like sayn native Hawaiian shud get their independen :?
@frownstrong You lie again. I said clearly '' this debate is about fascist muslims Indonesia occupation of a Black Nation called West Papua''. So I couldn't understand why you were suddenly talking about your trip to Africa or how Indians, Aborigines & others must convert to your occultic sect of mohammaden islam. Surely, you can read?
@frownstrong You are full of shit. Infact, you are one of the worst liar I have encounter online. Why can't you accept that Indonesia is committing genocide in West Papua? Instead, you deviate from the topic and post most sh!t. I do not care about race, I just hate racist fascist people and indonesia is a fascist muslim settler force in West papua. How on earth you are going to criticise Isreal in Palestine, when Indonesia is doing the same crime in West Papua?
@frownstrong There's no point for me to even bother taking any notice of your lies. As there's hundreds of videos here on Youtube of Black Nation West papua folks stating clearly, that they want Indonesians out of their country, simple & plain. I mean, you are a fascist muslim, so I wouldn't expect you to admit to the crimes of Indonesia in West papua. One thing is clear though, West Papua indeginous Blacks, just like East Timor will NOT give up, until indonesia fascists are out of West papua.
@frownstrong So now, you love the Black people in Africa? I doubt it loser. Here you are, using every excuse on earth to justify indonesia genocide in West Papua. Then in the same breathe, you try to convince me of your caring love for Africans er?
@frownstrong Isreal could well say, they are occupying palestine to help civilise these backward palestine muslim folks who are still in the dark ages. Will you accept that line as Isreal excuse for being in Palestine?
@frownstrong Again, you engage in repeated indonesian state line diatribes. Just like you did with East Timor. Fact is, the Black People of West Papua have NOTHING in common with you and want you to leave their country. They do not give a sh!t about your islam. Truth is, indonesia is in West Papua to plunder their land, FACT. Yet you still lie and cover up these facts. Indonesia is an occupational settler force in West Papua, no different to Isreal in Palastine, so STFU, you hypocrite.
@H1MLA well If I were you, I'd just go there and see it myself.... but there's still 36.000.000 chrsitians here in indonesia(its number is larger than christians in France, Spain or any European countries) ;) I personally think that Islam is such a crap-dumb ass religion yeah? but I think the world will be better without wat so called "religion" ..... and Indonesia is quiet Secular, I think...............
@foxfreaker This debate is NOT about Christians in indonesia (that's another topic). Its about muslim indonesia on going GENOCIDE operational war against the Black nation of West Papua, okay. So stay on topic and stop trying to deviate from the truth.
@frownstrong Yet, a so-called adult like you can't/refused to give answers to straight questions, I pose too you. Instead, you do the usual muslim thing; lie, deviate, quote sh!t koranic texts that had no bearing in this debate, talk racist crap about Indians, Aborigines and Papuans people. Despite all these short-comings of yours, you still think you are a decent human being. But the truth is, you are an Indonesian MUSLIM fascist.
@frownstrong You are so full of muslim double standard sh!t, that I reckon you probably spend 99% of your time with your laptop on a toilet. I agree with you on one thing though. muslims are from the stone age, hence they can't understand modern concepts like free speech, individual human rights to choose their religion or to depart from the cult of islam. Yet, dumb brainwashed mohammadens like you, think you got the right to judge others and force your cult of islam on them.
@frownstrong What had these diatribe texts from mohammad's best fiction novel, got to do with Indonesia's genocide on-going campaign against the Black people of West Papua?
@H1MLA you're living in Hatred, ain't you? I just read every comment that uv made on YewTube, and yeah you're real "Activist" you judge Afrikaans, Indonesian, Islam...... whatever..... U have no Idea what these are! and ur real arrogant... I guess in ur past, u were abused or something?!?!? are u black american n feel that life's unfair or something? cz ur so naive... Ur the real racist ur self :| may Jesus open ur blinded mind n eyes...
@foxfreaker Stop trying to deviate from the topic at hand. FACT is Indonesia is guilty of genocide in West Papua and no matter how hard you try, you can't deny it.
@frownstrong I ask you questions and expect you to reply back too them. But being a mohammaden, its only natural for you to lie to protect islamic crimes, than be an honest man and answer my questions, posted too you. Deviation from the truth, doesn't mean that you didn't see it. Its only confirm to folks reading this, what a bunch of fraudulent cowards muslims are, when given the facts. Self - defense my ass. Black West Papuans are killing Asian Indonesians muslims then?
@frownstrong Oh, you are Indonesia by race & nationality, yet you list Afghanistan as your country. What are you doing in Afghanistan then? Learning how to become a muslim fascist terrorist?
@frownstrong Let me tell you how warped & sick your muslim mind is. First of all, you claim islam is good. Yet its the same islamic state of indonesia that is committing mass genocide in West Papua. You support this genocide because in your islamic sh!t occults, the killing of non-muslims is acceptable. You see how morally bankrupt and sick, you and your racist, fascist islamic state of indonesia is?
@frownstrong So now that your fascist islamic agenda been exposed, you now resort to the usual muslim diatribe - racist stereotyping of your victims & slurs. Still, its comes as no surprise too me, as one is well verse in muslim acts of fraudulent lying, when confronted with the truth in debate. Islam is responsible for indonesia's genocide campaigns in West Papua & Aceh, so if you think that these folks will embrace your backward occult of islam. You are more stupid than I first thought.
@frownstrong I suppose Australian evengelists are now ruling East Timor? You muslims are such uneducated, undemocratic fascists cave men, your response to rational facts, often make for good comedy. Ever wonder why muslims across the world fear FREE SPEECH and real Democratic societies? Because these two rational concepts challenge islam backward doctrine and exposes islam charades, lies & fascist agendas. Hence the need to suppress free speech & jihad wars in crushing opposition to islam.
@frownstrong The truth at last from you - muslim Indonesia have to have infidel West papua as dhmmis colony. That what its all about. But like East Timor, one day West Papua will be free because they DO NOT to be part of racist, islamic fascism Indonesia that had murdered thousands of Black West Papua people in genocide campaigns & trying to wipe them out via Asia Indonesian settler population plans. Even Asia looking people of Aceh want their own country, why is that then?
@frownstrong Again, you are lying through your fingers via your PC keypad. The settlers (put there by the military & corrupt elected past & present Indonesian governments) Asia indonesian population in West Papua DO NOT mix or inter-marry with the indeginous BLACK people of West Papua; FACT. As for watching videos, save it, I have seen more indepth investigative documentaries on West Papua, which exposed the astrocities of the Indonesian government against the folks of West Papua, more than you.
@frownstrong BTW, Britain rules Ghana & Nigeria as colonies, but is Nigeria & Ghana the same country today, despite the fact that both countries are Black in Race? Listen, before you start posting lies as facts, realise that folks outside indonesia are not as thick as your fellow country men. Unlike you folks, history is something we do everyday as a hobby. I guess to you, sukarno is a hero er? What happened to Indonesian communists when you got independence?
@frownstrong You are a Bloody liar. Next thing you will be telling me that Australia have always had White Aussies living there and that, the more I go into the out back, then I will see the indeginous Black Aborigines. Is that right? You can lie to yourself all you like, but human DNA tells the truth. Perhaps, the white people of America have ALWAYS been in the USA and the Native Indians of America just disappear of their own accord? Liars like you are worst than neo nazis genocide killers.
@frownstrong yeah right, just like East Timor was, you mean? Even the most naive politically minded person could see that the Black people of West Papua have nothing in common with their Asia indonesian occupiers of their land. Indonesia is only in West Papua to exploit their natural resourses, plunder their land from them & continue the on-going genocide against them. Name me, one West Papua Black MP in your indonesian government? Tell me stories of Asia Indonesians marrying West paupa people?
@frownstrong I mean, even you have the decency to state the obvious FACT of History, so ask yourself, why is Indonesia still occupying West Papua when the people of West Papua are Black not Asian & have nothing in common with indonesians? Indonesia present in West papua is one of occupation, resettlement programme (of Asian indonesians into West Papua) & genocide. I used the word cave man, as Indonesia's actions of genocides & occupation in West Papua is barbarism from the stone age.
@frownstrong Er, after WW2, indeed the USA was against colonies. But Holland rightly insisted that West-papua should be an Indepentent State. But Indonesia under the dictator sukarno went to the UN and false claim West Papua should be part of Indonesia. The USA then pressured Holland to let Indonesia have their wish or else, the USA won't help Holland rebuild their nation after the war. Yes, I mentioned RACE because Asia Indonesia had NO connection to Black West Papua.
@frownstrong Why should the Black people of paupa join a group of racist, vile state to escape genocide by embracing the paedophille religion of mohammad? You must be out of your tiny islamic mind, you barbaric cave man.
Sip lah, yang demo tetap demo yang diam tetap diam, masing-masing punya pendapat yang harus dihormati. Yang paling penting sekarang saudara-saudara di Papua masih banyak yang butuh bantuan baik pendidikan, kesehatan,lapangan pekerjaan. Itu pekerjaan yang harus dilakukan sekarang..saat ini dan segera....!
Ketika pendidikan sudah ditangan, ekonomi sudah kuat dan bs mandiri, menjadi negara sendiri adalah persoalan yang relatif lebih mudah... Ayoo Kitorang bisa !
What? Are you trying to say the folks of Papua are not Black,. but actually Indonesians who share the same colour, culture, ethnic roots & organised religion (islam) as their neo-nazis Indonesian occupiers? I await your response with bated breathe.
although What would I support is the international interventions on human rights against the Indonesian Military Generals if they have enough proved, and responsible on their claim by means that if they don't have enough prove they are willing to be sue back! This is what I called FREEDOM AND LIBERTY!
I seconded your argument retard! Be logical and start learning english! I hope you keen on not being so lazy and start reading english books instead of looking on MTV and copying Nirvana's profanation as typical Indonesian people!
Your actions of genocide against the Black people of Papua (who are NOT of Asia ethnic roots nor muslims like Indonesians) & Turkey's genocide against the Armenians & on-going genocide against the Kurdish people, make you both Neo-Nazis.
The UN & world opinion were against U & the dictator soharto was about to leave office & indonesia was facing isolation. The same thing will happen in West Papua, as the people of West Papua are Black & have nothing in common with indonesians. Its occupation & you know it. Slowly but surely, West Papua will gain it freedom. The muslim majority in Indonesia had shown itself to be intolerant racist & fascists.Your records of crimes against minorities in Indonesia is as long as ur arms.
@H1MLA its not becoz they are muslims..not at all.
their treatment of minorities is due to their facism and shallow nationalism. they are inefficient,stupid,lazy and cruel so they reacted violently to manage their territories
But Papua is NOT an Indonesian territory as Indonesia is made up of Asia people. Papua is made up of Black people. So how on earth you can say Indonesia own the territory of Papua (a Black country) is really beyond belief. I mean, if South Africa, suddenly fly troops into your country & colonise it, claiming its now SA's territory, will you accept it? I know you wouldn't. Oh, muslims are killing Black Africans in Darfur in a genocide campaign. I'm sure you know of that as well?
To be honest, was it The Malaysia Government who always made up their territory. Since you brought this issue, how could you explain The dispute over the island, known as Pedra Branca by Singapore and Pulau Batu Puteh by Malaysia, arose in 1980?
@H1MLA Actually... Indonesian is Austronesian not fully asian , except the chinese and Papuan is Real Austronesian :)... and Indonesia is not a muslim country dear :) I'm Javanese Indonesian and I'm an agnostic... used to be a catholic tho :o and if u got a data, sayin' that 87% of Indonsian is muslim .. that's a big LIE... actually most of Indonesian are Agnostic....
@foxfreaker LIsten, the people in paupa are Black in Ethnicity. They have NOTHING in common with the vile racist Asian ethnic majority in Indonesia. Just like East Timor, Indonesia need to get the fuck out of Paupa, simple & plain. Indonesia is a muslim dominated muslim fascist state where non-muslim minorities are persecuted & killed. Look at Ache & Moloko. for f()^&k sake! Anyways, its won't be long now before indonesia becomes another Bosnia.
You cretin, you said that about East Timor & we both know what happened there, don't we? Your state of Indonesia is a muslim neo-nazis state full of muslim genocide mass murderers. West Papua is a Black nation which had nothing in common with Indonesia, FACT. U are only in their country 2 steal their lands & take their natural resources. So next time muslims take about Palestine, they should think about West Papua too. You bloody hypocritical evil muslim fascists!
I'm afraid, you are lying here mate. Indonesia gladly tells the globe that its Islam's largest muslim state. Islamic fundamentalism is rife in Indonesia & the intolerance of Indonesians toward Black people is well known. The people of Paupa are Black & have nothing in common with these vile racist imperialist Indonesian murderering genocide nazis! I have zero respect 4 racist people & Indonesia fit into that box.
I believe that the Indonesian Government with the support of The United States Military are actively pursue war against terrorism which most of their leaders are in fact MALAYSIANS! The Malaysian government as the matter of fact don't pursue any policy to combat terrorism! Also how do you justify the MALAYSIAN Sharia Law which is incompatible with norms of modern society such as raiding nightclubs and people trying to have fun and drink alcohol?
@H1MLA@H1MLA "Although it is not an Islamic state, Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation" see wikipedia.. I'm afraid you're embarrassing yourself dear.. so stop commenting if u dunno the truth . O yeah want to say that Most muslim here are not really muslim, most of em are agnostic.. or it's called MUSLIM KTP ( Muslim only on ID card) ;)
@foxfreaker Why is it, you muslims insist on lying? Indonesia is more or less a muslim fascist state now, as non-muslim christian girls are being force to wear those ghastly muslim ninja outfits to cover up their heads. Indonesia is committing genocide in West Paupa against the Black folks there, a race of people with no connection to Indonesia. You can lie as much as you like, but human rights organisations report on Indonesia's abuse of human rights makes for a very sad reading.
@H1MLA oH MY lORD... where did u hear that? I was catholic n now agnostic and live in Java and no one bothers me :O.... East Indonesia (Molocca, Celebes etc) is Unstable area yeah?! and Where the hell do u come from>?? have u ever been in Indonesia? Papua? EVEN THEN THE MUSLIM HERE are not wearing muslim outfits yeah?!? open your eyes beib... only 5% muslim-indonesian wears something like that.... check it out on Mr.Google...
@H1MLA Neo- Nazi, racism? lol I am a believer of freedom, a United States Citizen also an active member of amnesty international. I'm not against the Papuan Independence for a better West Papuan Society.
The fact is that the Indonesian central government have given them a national autonomy or liberation within west papua means that once claimed to be the occupier and under the name of Indonesian local government bureaus are in fact local Non-Javanese Black papuan people itself, chosen democratically by the papuan people since the year of 2004 without any intervention from the central government. Will it better off for Papuan people if they have their own government?
we're lookin' at facts now right after the afghanistantop in the hague and g20 in London.
if you're not down with the native people that have lived on the PACIFIC island of West PAPUA,than YOU will face major problems if you stay there this year.
in ten years you will just have a few small islands that the world will call indoland,because West Papua,Timor and Maluku and even Aceh shall be free one day.dickhead
"kemerdekaan adalah hak segalah bangsa, dan oleh sebab itu maka penjajahan di atas dunia harus dihapuskan karena tidak sesuai dengan perikemanusiaan dan keadilan". Jadi hak kita Bangsa Papua donk kalo kita maw merdeka, siapa yang maw larang!! Syarat2 terbentuknya suatu negara antara laen: memiliki wilayah, pemerintahan, penduduk, dan diakui oleh negara2 laen dan Papua sudah memiliki semuanya itu, tetapi kenapa Indonesia tidak memberikan kemerdekaan???????????????????????????????????????????????
Sepertinya anda kurang banyak baca brita n informasi yg terbaru y........
President Obama aj udah printahkan indonenesia untuk cepatin urusan kemerdekaan Papua. President SBY sj sdh lepas tangan n tdk maw pusing lg dg masalah Papua, brarti tinggal lepasin Papua untuk merdeka aj kan? Hilary Clinton aj lagi marah besar n maw bwt perhitungan dg indonesia krn menolak palang merah internasional untuk kunjungi tapol dari Papua.
saya mengerti bahwa klaim-klaim yang ditudingkan oleh video ini dan juga commenters memiliki dasar kebenaran.
tapi pernahkan terbersit dibenak kita mengapa itu semua terus terjadi? tidak lain karena orang-orang yang selama ini memegang kuasa berpikiran kerdil. tak mampu melihat indonesia sebagai sebuah bangsa yang besar.
lalu apakah kita juga akan ikut-ikutan berpikiran kerdil dengan bersikeras menolak menjadi bagian dari bangsa indonesia?
ohhh yeah, Papuan are indonesian for a fact, OR NOT, why the fuck to people in West Papua want independence if they consider themself to be part of Indonesia, all yoú wankers sitting over in Jakarta can go and kill yourself, will at least leave up some space for less braindead people. Only reason that you idiots consider West Papua to be part of Indonesia is due to the natural resources, you dont give a shit in anything else, FREE WEST PAPUA
hey jawa goblok,pelahap jengkol,otak lu sekerdil tubuhlu,bangsa tempe bongkrek,papua lepas lu miskin jawa penipu,neo kolonialis,hidung lu sudah pesek kebanyakan bohong.
saya setuju, jengkal apanya taik kucing. saya orang dayak di kalimantan. kami tidak ada perkembangan, fasilitas kuliah tidak ada sampai s2 yang bagus2 kentot. selamanya kami cuma jadi orang miskin dan jawa2 yang dapat pekerjaan layak. kami juga mau MERDEKAAAA...
tanah kami dirampas untuk pembangunan sawit tapi apa kontribusinya bagi kami. semua cuma sampah.. ras kami juga berbeda..
Apabila anda orang Indonesia, anda pasti tahu bahwa bukan hanya orang Papua saja yang menderita di bawah kekuasaan Orde Baru. Banyak putra-putri bangsa yang dibunuh, disiksa, diculik, dan ditahan karena menentang pemerintahan Orde Baru.
Penderitaan seluruh rakyat Indonesia sesungguhnya sama karena kita mengalami masa penindasan Orba. Jadi, bukan hanya Papua saja yang menderita karena kebijakan pemerintah Orba yang sangat otoriter.
sudah lebih dari 100000 orang papua meninggal karena ulah tikus-tikus senayan itu
lagian...atas dasar apa papua,kalimantan,sumatera di sebut bagian dari indonesia????!!!! jelaskan secara jelas alasannya.itu semua hanya lah propaganda yang mengatakan bahwa semua tanah jajahan hindia belanda adalah indonesia,tai kucing!!!!,gimana kalau australia juga bagian dari hindia belanda,apakah berarti australia juga bagian dari indonesia ????!!!!.bullshit!!!!
Australia bukan Hindia Belanda, Australia bunuh aborigin australia genocide. Propaganda Australia dan US, untuk mendapatkan West Papusa sebagai negara boneka baru.
Maaf tapi menurut saya 'kemerdekaan' itu apa yang dicita-citakan? Memangnya tidak baik kalau orang papua juga ada kalimantan, sumatera, jawa, sebagai bagian dari tanah airnya? Jangan hanya menganggap papua sebagai rumahnya dan tanah airnya saja. Tanah kalimantan, sumatera, jawa, dll, juga merupakan tanah kalian. Kalau kalian memecah papua untuk berdiri merdeka sendiri berarti kalian memecah rumah kalian sendiri, kerena sebenarnya kalian juga memiliki setiap jengkal dari Indonesia.
We know that this is a war we are not going to win by military force. But we are making more friends, and they will help us to gain our VICTORY. Just wait and see.
The UN practically gave Dutch New Guinea to Indonesia. The Act of Free Choice was a joke. You should do some serious reading about the subject, if you don't know this. Why not start with this book. You can buy it at Amazon.
The United Nations and the Indonesian Takeover of West Papua, 1962-1969: The Anatomy of Betrayal
Indonesian government have spent billions to build schools, churces, bridges, and hospitals. Native Papuans as well as migrants from other Indonesian islands have lived in peace and prosperity for decades.
Now a small group of West Papuan aboriginal people want independence? DREAM ON MATES! You are better off under Indonesian established and civilised rule.
I thinks Indonesian government can't protect and make any develop things in papua. They more like make any "systematic foolishness program" for papua people. It have purpose that to steal many gold and silver in there. And, it happen too with another country. Every country just want the gold from papua land. And, don't care about the people and her culture. An modern Imperialism??????? Yes, I thinks so.
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diptdipt 1 month ago
Indonesia stop your evil. Stop stealing their resources.
Leave West Papua and give them their independance and freedom.
The international community, stop aid to the indonesian military who are doing all this. Demand that they hold a referendum like with east timor.
mr1slow 2 months ago
Come on they just nead to embrace Multiculturalism instead of being frightened of what they dont know. Cultural diversity will enrich West Papua. There are already Indonesian restraunts there. It is the racists causing the violence.
TheJohn090909 2 months ago
@TheJohn090909 You indonesians are racist!
karelin11 2 months ago
wata F**KN race is indonesia? get ta F**KN hell out of MELANESIAN wotas.West Papua is MELANESIA,is not a TERRORIST INDONESIA.
Vanuatu is fully support its wantok West Papua freedom 2 gain independence
GO 4 FREEDOM INDEPENDENCE, Were behind your back
PLS indonesia leave melanesia alone b;cos were not equal .STEP BACK
blackegg1000 5 months ago
@blackegg1000 Indonesian race is belong to the most hypocrite race called oriental asians, like japanese. Japanese and Indonesians are one! I'm Pacific islander and i hate asian invaders invades papua called indonesian dogs!
karelin11 2 months ago
F**K Indoniesia
West Papua is Melanisia
Im from Vanuatu and fully support Papuan Independence.
Wes Papua Mifala long ples ya supotem yufala 100%
gewing26 6 months ago
happy to see a vanuatu flag there.. yes vanuatu's for west papuan freedom.. !! west papua INDEPENZA peace
paako67 8 months ago
Dasar Indonesia Biadab...SETAN! STOP GENOCIDA...! selamatkan bangsa Papua dari NKRI (Negara Kesatuan Republik Iblis); Iblis (Indonesia) memengsa Bangsa Papua satu per satu di bunuh dengan SENJATA MILITER NKRI (Negara Kesatuan Iblis), Diracuni makanan dan minuman dan banyak cara yang pake untuk menghabiskan orang Papua, karena Papua tanah kaya dan luas jai mau menjadi milik Indonesia ketika orang habis.
STOOP Kolonialisasi NKRI (Negara Kolonial Republik Indonesia) terhadap bangsa Papua);
MERDEKA
JEMPKY 8 months ago
Let thief Ambassador H.E. Yuri Thamrin know what you think at Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia, 38 Grosvenor Sq, London, W1K 2HW
wyrda222 10 months ago 2
Yes, fuck Indonesia! But BIG FUCK FOR ALL EUROPEAN COLLONIAL NATIONS! They werE/are the roots of the problems. Holand, the steengy, small,poor nation plundered Indonesia's riches for 35 years.Spaniarrds, the Bristiss did the same thing. The FUCKED the Indonesia's land for years with their greed! Germany was fined DM132 billoon for inciting the first world war I. Have holands and othe evil colonials be fined? Noops! Both Indonesian and Europeans countries are EVIL HIPPORRISTS!
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Yes, fuck Indonesia! But BIG FUCK FOR ALL EUROPEAN COLLONIAL NATIONS! They werE/are the roots of the problems. Holand, the steengy, small,poor nation plundered Indonesia's riches for 350 years.Spaniarrds, the Bristiss did the same thing. The FUCKED the Indonesia's land for years with their greed! Germany was fined DM132 billoon for inciting the first world war I. Have holands and othe evil colonials be fined? Noops! Both Indonesian and Europeans countries are EVIL HIPPORRISTS!
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Yes, fuck Indonesia! But BIG FUCK FOR ALL EUROPEAN COLLONIAL NATIONS! They werE/are the roots of the problems. Holand, the steengy, small,poor nation plundered Indonesia's riches for 350 years.Spaniarrds, the Bristiss did the same thing. They FUCKED the Indonesia's land for years with their greed! Germany was fined DM132 billoon for inciting the first world war I. Have holands and othe evil colonials be fined? Noops! Both Indonesian and Europeans countries are EVIL HIPPORRISTS!
3286004961 1 month ago
West Papua Merdeka! Indonesian military and settlers out of West Papua now! Indonesian military occupation despotic, illegal, inhuman and evil!
cm4dt69 1 year ago
INDONESIA !
malaysiakelautaja 1 year ago
@malaysiakelautaja
HAHAHAHA...BARU2 Z TARO 1 GAMBARAN DALAM Z PU POT KAKUS....TIAP HARI KALO Z BERAK ATAU KINCING Z BERAK & KINCING DI INDONESIA WHOEHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Starchild03 1 year ago
@Starchild03 hahaha indonesian hanyu butuh bersatu jangan gitu lah, waktu bencana di papua kita orang indonesia juga turut membantu kok.
:)
malaysiakelautaja 11 months ago
@malaysiakelautaja bencana yg mana?? !!! waktu TNI bunuh orang2 /anak2 Papua di Biakdi menara air ka? bencana yg mana sebenarnya....km tau persis z pu maksud....jadi jangan kasih itu contoh saja krna z bisa kasih contoh2 banyak dariTNI/ pem RI ...tapi z rasa km sendiri tau jg!!
Starchild03 11 months ago
@Starchild03 bencana wasior ? masih inget ga ? terus kalo papua bisa merdeka sendiri bisa menjamin ga negara papua bisa menjadi negara maju ? mau kaya Timor Leste yang hanya jadi pantat australia ?
malaysiakelautaja 11 months ago
@malaysiakelautaja ....sekali lagi....itu satu contoh saja yg dari ko pu tanah Indonesia ...terus apa??? sa masih ingat itu bencana di wasior...tapi ingatan....kalau Papua tidak ada...Indonesia sendiri tidak ada apa2....kekakayaan di Indonesia smuanya dari Papua...mungkin tidak semua tapi 80% dari Papua...Indonesia sendiri cuma ada sawa2 & Garuda Indonesia...whoehahahahahahha...pasti kalau Papua merdeka kami menjadi negara maju....nanti Indonesia musti minta tulung/bantu dari Papua!!
Starchild03 11 months ago
@Starchild03 80% apaan ? freeport ngasih ke indonesia cuma 1% doang tapi bisa bikin indonesia maju hahahaha, anda tau darimana bisa maju ? emang segampang ngerobek kertas ? haahaha pikir dulu sebelum berbicara cukimay
malaysiakelautaja 11 months ago
@Starchild03 kalo mau bikin negara sendiri bikin dong , jangan cuma di youtube doang beraninya , lawan tuh TNI jangan cuma comment2 doang pengecut
malaysiakelautaja 11 months ago
FREE WEST PAPUA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
remoteoutofcontrol 1 year ago
@frownstrong Actually, indonesia doesnt have a legitimate claim on Papua. The international community never supported the Act of Free Choice which was considred as indemocratic since only 1025 Papuans participated to the vote. I am tired of discussing this, you need to inform yourself further...
Ofionnain 1 year ago 2
@Ofionnain how do you know ?
malaysiakelautaja 11 months ago
@malaysiakelautaja because @ least Ofionnain knows how history went....all the involved countries knew & still know that those 1025 Papuans were forced to choose for RI....exactly like Ofiannain says: you really need to inform urself properly before u start speading ur pro RI propaganda here on youtube....the good thing about the internet is..now everybody will see & know how the government of RI treats the native Papuans!! but just like Ofiannain I'm tired of arguing with you...
Starchild03 11 months ago
@malaysiankelautaja because u clearly didn't check the facts & the history!! It sounds like u very easily step over the decades of the violation of human rights day in,day out in Papua...but u will probably have answer to that one too!!
Starchild03 11 months ago
@frownstrong These Javanese that colonize Papua aren't in legitimacy in this modern world, this is nothing but an attempt at demographic assimilation. The indonesians are doing like The europeans did centuries ago, colonialism is not an accepted policiy in our modern world and with reason if you see what happened to the colonized peoples. Javanese and other non melanesian indonesians should be excluded of a Papuan referendum.
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong You talk of disease and misery... But disease was brought by the outsiders and misery is only existent where attemps have been made at making them sedantary. Ethnologists proved that they live well in their old ways, they dont lack food or anything and not all tribes engage in tribal wars. Also some of them do not want to adopt our ways and should not be forced to. Most of Papuans are christians or anumists. No religion is worth more than any. Conversion is out of question.
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong I'm not saying we should just let them alone because they are becoming part of our world, I'm saying we have to give them the choice to live in their traditional ways or live in the modern ways. We should also attempt at refrainign them from making tribal wars and educate them about the rest of the world and the modern knowlesge if they wish to. But we have no right to ask them to wear western clothes or to stop their nomadic or semi-nomadic way of life.
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong if you wish to make a valuable comparison you should rather compare the situation of the Papuans to the colonialism period where Europeans would enter in contact with less technologically developped cutlure. That's what happened in Africa, also in the american continent with the native americans or in Australia with the Aborigenes. Don,t tell me that the resuslts were for the best, they were living well before their contact and attempt of assimilation with the Europeans.
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong You know nothing of the extent of my knowledge in the world's history so stop talking if you did. You cannot compare the cultural assimilation in papua to what happened in Europe in Late antiquity and High middle ages. The difference between the modern western based culture is incredibly different to that of the Papuans, the technological difference is also too great. In comaprison, the difference betwen roman and celts wasnt this big.
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong Pacific protests attemps have been made in the past, one happened in a village where the people proclaimed Papua's independance by raising the morning star flag. Then the army came in and opened fire on the unarmed civilians. This happened in 1997 if I remember well.
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong This goverment you talk of has virtually no power, it is only there for appearances and to give the indonesian goverment a fake lefitimacy. people take arms to fight the indonesian goverment to free papua or at least bring the international attention to their cause...
Ofionnain 1 year ago
@frownstrong Attempting to convert Papuans to Islam and corrupt their culture, this is disgusting... War is not the solution, the only solution is independance by democracy. (Excluding the Javanese colonists of course)
Ofionnain 1 year ago
RETARD! It's not about Religion, HIV, Alcoholism or something..... it's about the Genocide and West Papua... aight?
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@frownstrong yeah true,,, and Islamic countries are the worst in d world.Poor society and the quality of life is ZzzzZzZz .... :| we have condom :D aint no afraid of HIV....
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@frownstrong EXCUSEZ-MOI monsieur! WHY do you always say that ISLAM is the answer for Bla BlA bla Bla.... Iuwwww ???? Indonesia aint an islamic cntry n it has nothing to do about West papua ?!?! @H1MLA East-Timor was not part of --Nederlands Oost-Indië-- It was part Portuguese Empire :D :| and yeah Muluku pepz is just like Nusa Tenggaran pepz :) hehe
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@frownstrong you keep repeating your deviation crap about good and bad people. However, you still can't bring yourself to condemn bad muslim indonesia for its genocide campaign against the indeginous folks of West Papua? See how flimsy your empty talk of good and bad people is? As for muslims, well you are not exactly the most tolerant people on earth now, are you? So don't blame me, I'm just exposing you muslims for what you really are - intolerant nazis fascist evil muslims people.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong its you who's the idiots. You are generalising a race of people by calling them canibals and saying, they must become robots members of the cult of islam and you think, you are a rational person? LIsten, if you do NOT know what the words ''occupation, genocide & racism'' means, I suggest you look it up in a dictionary. How stupid are you? A nation of people are being murdered by your fascist islamic state, yet you justify it and expect me to respect you? U must be out of your mind.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong hahahaha Dutch travel agencies have been giving out those advises for 15 years now at least once a year....and as far as PNG well WP & PNG are allies as far as it comes to giving shelter to those who are forced to flee abroad....but you'll probably have an answer to that one too...I keep getting this feeling I'm talking to a wall
Starchild03 1 year ago
@frownstrong Its 2010 and here you are, spouting racist lies that West Papua people are cannibals, simply because they are BLack. Yet you wonder why they want you out of their country.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong I'm not your friend. I do not make friends with muslim fascists, talkless of an Indonesian muslim fascist, who support the genocide of Black West Papua & Black Maluku people by the muslim indonesian fascist state.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong are you serious??? when was the last time you have been to West Papua? What primitive mind & sense do you have...you still think the Papuans live in the Stone Age era?? Plus the ones that stil do ..they do that by own will...why do people like you always wanna change them?
Starchild03 1 year ago
@frownstrong More fascist talk from you. Are you stupid or what? The indeginous nation of West Papua DO NOT want anything to do with nazis muslim Indonesia, don't you get it? Like East Timor, West Papuans want evil muslim fascist indonesia out of their country. They have NOTHING in common with you ie you don't mix with them, you call them inferior Blacks, you murder them. So why on earth would them want to be rules by indonesian muslim fascists like you?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong And your point is?..Cuz you say RI army is spreading misery all over the country so also WP...so?...does this justify anything...and so you say..well just accept all that and be proud and happy either way? You gotta be kidding....plus you talk about AIDS & Alcohol problems in WP
Starchild03 1 year ago
@frownstrong No, the occupational Indonesian colonist governor of West Papua is a Asian Ethnic Indonesian from Indonesia itself, you bare face liar. You wouldn't find a Black West Papuan person to support you. Go fuck yourself or your sister, cousin whatever as you sick muslim perverts often do. Goodbye!
H1MLA 1 year ago
...you should ask yourself how those problems came there in the first place...this had/has nothing to do with absense of any sort of religion..so please don't throw that religion card!! Papuans were living in relatively peace loooong before Islam or Christianity came
Starchild03 1 year ago
@Starchild03 OMG! DAT IS KLOPT! i agree 100% that no one needs Religion :))
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@ frownstrong ...you might wanna check the videoclip at the right of this clip. It's the one called: West Papua - Australian TV commercial.....I'm curious what your opinion is about that one?
Starchild03 1 year ago
@frownstrong More lies. What about Maluku? Are they Asian Indonesians as well? You lying son of islam fascism. You muslims are so full of sh!t (i mean, having a paedophille man as your leader aka mohammad takes the biscuit), you lack credibility in debate, as you constantly lie to defend your sect of Islam. When you were occupying East Timor, you falsely claim it was part of Indonesia and use asia settlers indonesians to try to change the ethnic face of the country, like you are doing now in WP.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA...my friend don't spend anymore of your precious energy & wise lessons cuz frownstrong & foxfreaker are not worth it..they are to narrowminded & blind to what really is going on save your words for those who might really care & prepared to listen!
Starchild03 1 year ago
@Starchild03 I know, but I relish showing up these vile fascists indonesians for what they really are - evil occupation force of death. I know alot about the history of Indonesia, its muslim jihad beliefs etc, etc. Don't forget what they did to Indonesia Chinese folks a few years back in recent history. Indonesians (mainly, muslim Indonesians) have shown themselves to be nothing more than criminal neo-nazis.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Oh, I'm still waiting for you to give me a list of Black West Papua MP's in Indonesia government? Besides, who's the governor of Indonesia occuppied West Papua? He is NOT an Indeginous Black West Papuan is he? or maybe the Indonesian army committing genocide in West Papua are made up of Black West Papua troops? An honest answer from you would be nice (even though, I know lying is a muslim hobby lol).
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong I'm not confused. My point remains, you can qoute mohammad's paedophilli texts from his novel, but those texts doesn't hold any weight in the right to self-determination for the people of West Papua. Now, if your fascist muslim state of Indonesia aren't scared of democracy, why don't they let the UN conduct a free and fair referendum in West Papua and ask the Black nation people of West Papua, if they want to be ruled by fascist muslim indonesia er?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong So, indonesian army killing Black West papua people is NOT occupation? So why do you can Isreal present in Palestine occupation then?
H1MLA 1 year ago
OMG...I've been reading these comments made by frownstrong & foxfreaker and the only thing I can think is like...come on now...how naieve can you be & how can both of you keep their eyes shut to the daily actions by the Indonesian Governement & Army...but worst of all you can't even admitt a little bit of what H1MLA says...sad to see/read how ignorant & narrowminded you two react....
Starchild03 1 year ago
and last but not least especially for @ frownstrong you talk about before the Dutch the Papuans were already a part of Indonesia...you might wanna re-check your facts & history because if I recall correct before the Sukarno-era there was no such country called Indonesia...there were all the independent islands even the era you talk about ruled by the Sultan of Tidore did NOT consist of all the islands now known as modern Indonesia!!!
Starchild03 1 year ago
@frownstrong more lies, you post. west papua voted to remain part of indonesia, just like east timor voted to remain part of indonesia you mean?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong You are truely a dense man, aren't you? My point is this, your koranic texts had no bearing in this debate, okay. It means nothing. This is about human rights, koran, mohammad or allah doesn't mean shit in this debate. The whole point of the matter is, muslim indonesia is occupying West Papua and justifying its present there based on muslim need for expansion & domination of non-muslim following people.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Stop deviating from the main topic ; Indonesian occupation of West Papua. I repeat again for you, why is Indonesia committing mass genocide in West Papua? Do not bother to reply if you insist on spouting your usual muslim crap.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA hahahahhahahahahahah ur so funny, well i want to debate with ya :D maybe cz I ain't a muslim so u got no idea what to say 2 me, yeah? oh pleas dunn fo'get to open this site westpapua(DOT)net/2009/09/619 yeah It will help u understand what the real problem is..... <3 and these video on Yewtube that st8 that Papuans want an Independence, it's like sayn native Hawaiian shud get their independen :?
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@frownstrong You lie again. I said clearly '' this debate is about fascist muslims Indonesia occupation of a Black Nation called West Papua''. So I couldn't understand why you were suddenly talking about your trip to Africa or how Indians, Aborigines & others must convert to your occultic sect of mohammaden islam. Surely, you can read?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong You are full of shit. Infact, you are one of the worst liar I have encounter online. Why can't you accept that Indonesia is committing genocide in West Papua? Instead, you deviate from the topic and post most sh!t. I do not care about race, I just hate racist fascist people and indonesia is a fascist muslim settler force in West papua. How on earth you are going to criticise Isreal in Palestine, when Indonesia is doing the same crime in West Papua?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA well well well if u insist :D HEY i dunno what genocide ur talkin but may be it'll help : westpapua(DOT)net/2009/09/619
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@foxfreaker Well, I don't waste time my time with genocide apologists like you.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong There's no point for me to even bother taking any notice of your lies. As there's hundreds of videos here on Youtube of Black Nation West papua folks stating clearly, that they want Indonesians out of their country, simple & plain. I mean, you are a fascist muslim, so I wouldn't expect you to admit to the crimes of Indonesia in West papua. One thing is clear though, West Papua indeginous Blacks, just like East Timor will NOT give up, until indonesia fascists are out of West papua.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong So now, you love the Black people in Africa? I doubt it loser. Here you are, using every excuse on earth to justify indonesia genocide in West Papua. Then in the same breathe, you try to convince me of your caring love for Africans er?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Isreal could well say, they are occupying palestine to help civilise these backward palestine muslim folks who are still in the dark ages. Will you accept that line as Isreal excuse for being in Palestine?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Again, you engage in repeated indonesian state line diatribes. Just like you did with East Timor. Fact is, the Black People of West Papua have NOTHING in common with you and want you to leave their country. They do not give a sh!t about your islam. Truth is, indonesia is in West Papua to plunder their land, FACT. Yet you still lie and cover up these facts. Indonesia is an occupational settler force in West Papua, no different to Isreal in Palastine, so STFU, you hypocrite.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA well If I were you, I'd just go there and see it myself.... but there's still 36.000.000 chrsitians here in indonesia(its number is larger than christians in France, Spain or any European countries) ;) I personally think that Islam is such a crap-dumb ass religion yeah? but I think the world will be better without wat so called "religion" ..... and Indonesia is quiet Secular, I think...............
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@foxfreaker This debate is NOT about Christians in indonesia (that's another topic). Its about muslim indonesia on going GENOCIDE operational war against the Black nation of West Papua, okay. So stay on topic and stop trying to deviate from the truth.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Yet, a so-called adult like you can't/refused to give answers to straight questions, I pose too you. Instead, you do the usual muslim thing; lie, deviate, quote sh!t koranic texts that had no bearing in this debate, talk racist crap about Indians, Aborigines and Papuans people. Despite all these short-comings of yours, you still think you are a decent human being. But the truth is, you are an Indonesian MUSLIM fascist.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong You are so full of muslim double standard sh!t, that I reckon you probably spend 99% of your time with your laptop on a toilet. I agree with you on one thing though. muslims are from the stone age, hence they can't understand modern concepts like free speech, individual human rights to choose their religion or to depart from the cult of islam. Yet, dumb brainwashed mohammadens like you, think you got the right to judge others and force your cult of islam on them.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong What had these diatribe texts from mohammad's best fiction novel, got to do with Indonesia's genocide on-going campaign against the Black people of West Papua?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA you're living in Hatred, ain't you? I just read every comment that uv made on YewTube, and yeah you're real "Activist" you judge Afrikaans, Indonesian, Islam...... whatever..... U have no Idea what these are! and ur real arrogant... I guess in ur past, u were abused or something?!?!? are u black american n feel that life's unfair or something? cz ur so naive... Ur the real racist ur self :| may Jesus open ur blinded mind n eyes...
foxfreaker 1 year ago
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@foxfreaker Stop trying to deviate from the topic at hand. FACT is Indonesia is guilty of genocide in West Papua and no matter how hard you try, you can't deny it.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA Hej, Hoe gaat het met je? Waarom heb je geen antwoord mj opmerking? :| :| :| who's racist here? u or indonesian?!?!
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@foxfreaker I Easy pea brain, Indonesia! Who committing mass genocide in West Papua? Me or fascist muslim indonesia?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong I ask you questions and expect you to reply back too them. But being a mohammaden, its only natural for you to lie to protect islamic crimes, than be an honest man and answer my questions, posted too you. Deviation from the truth, doesn't mean that you didn't see it. Its only confirm to folks reading this, what a bunch of fraudulent cowards muslims are, when given the facts. Self - defense my ass. Black West Papuans are killing Asian Indonesians muslims then?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Oh, you are Indonesia by race & nationality, yet you list Afghanistan as your country. What are you doing in Afghanistan then? Learning how to become a muslim fascist terrorist?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Let me tell you how warped & sick your muslim mind is. First of all, you claim islam is good. Yet its the same islamic state of indonesia that is committing mass genocide in West Papua. You support this genocide because in your islamic sh!t occults, the killing of non-muslims is acceptable. You see how morally bankrupt and sick, you and your racist, fascist islamic state of indonesia is?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong So now that your fascist islamic agenda been exposed, you now resort to the usual muslim diatribe - racist stereotyping of your victims & slurs. Still, its comes as no surprise too me, as one is well verse in muslim acts of fraudulent lying, when confronted with the truth in debate. Islam is responsible for indonesia's genocide campaigns in West Papua & Aceh, so if you think that these folks will embrace your backward occult of islam. You are more stupid than I first thought.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong I suppose Australian evengelists are now ruling East Timor? You muslims are such uneducated, undemocratic fascists cave men, your response to rational facts, often make for good comedy. Ever wonder why muslims across the world fear FREE SPEECH and real Democratic societies? Because these two rational concepts challenge islam backward doctrine and exposes islam charades, lies & fascist agendas. Hence the need to suppress free speech & jihad wars in crushing opposition to islam.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong The truth at last from you - muslim Indonesia have to have infidel West papua as dhmmis colony. That what its all about. But like East Timor, one day West Papua will be free because they DO NOT to be part of racist, islamic fascism Indonesia that had murdered thousands of Black West Papua people in genocide campaigns & trying to wipe them out via Asia Indonesian settler population plans. Even Asia looking people of Aceh want their own country, why is that then?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Again, you are lying through your fingers via your PC keypad. The settlers (put there by the military & corrupt elected past & present Indonesian governments) Asia indonesian population in West Papua DO NOT mix or inter-marry with the indeginous BLACK people of West Papua; FACT. As for watching videos, save it, I have seen more indepth investigative documentaries on West Papua, which exposed the astrocities of the Indonesian government against the folks of West Papua, more than you.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong BTW, Britain rules Ghana & Nigeria as colonies, but is Nigeria & Ghana the same country today, despite the fact that both countries are Black in Race? Listen, before you start posting lies as facts, realise that folks outside indonesia are not as thick as your fellow country men. Unlike you folks, history is something we do everyday as a hobby. I guess to you, sukarno is a hero er? What happened to Indonesian communists when you got independence?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong You are a Bloody liar. Next thing you will be telling me that Australia have always had White Aussies living there and that, the more I go into the out back, then I will see the indeginous Black Aborigines. Is that right? You can lie to yourself all you like, but human DNA tells the truth. Perhaps, the white people of America have ALWAYS been in the USA and the Native Indians of America just disappear of their own accord? Liars like you are worst than neo nazis genocide killers.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong yeah right, just like East Timor was, you mean? Even the most naive politically minded person could see that the Black people of West Papua have nothing in common with their Asia indonesian occupiers of their land. Indonesia is only in West Papua to exploit their natural resourses, plunder their land from them & continue the on-going genocide against them. Name me, one West Papua Black MP in your indonesian government? Tell me stories of Asia Indonesians marrying West paupa people?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong I mean, even you have the decency to state the obvious FACT of History, so ask yourself, why is Indonesia still occupying West Papua when the people of West Papua are Black not Asian & have nothing in common with indonesians? Indonesia present in West papua is one of occupation, resettlement programme (of Asian indonesians into West Papua) & genocide. I used the word cave man, as Indonesia's actions of genocides & occupation in West Papua is barbarism from the stone age.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Er, after WW2, indeed the USA was against colonies. But Holland rightly insisted that West-papua should be an Indepentent State. But Indonesia under the dictator sukarno went to the UN and false claim West Papua should be part of Indonesia. The USA then pressured Holland to let Indonesia have their wish or else, the USA won't help Holland rebuild their nation after the war. Yes, I mentioned RACE because Asia Indonesia had NO connection to Black West Papua.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@frownstrong Why should the Black people of paupa join a group of racist, vile state to escape genocide by embracing the paedophille religion of mohammad? You must be out of your tiny islamic mind, you barbaric cave man.
H1MLA 1 year ago
Sip lah, yang demo tetap demo yang diam tetap diam, masing-masing punya pendapat yang harus dihormati. Yang paling penting sekarang saudara-saudara di Papua masih banyak yang butuh bantuan baik pendidikan, kesehatan,lapangan pekerjaan. Itu pekerjaan yang harus dilakukan sekarang..saat ini dan segera....!
Ketika pendidikan sudah ditangan, ekonomi sudah kuat dan bs mandiri, menjadi negara sendiri adalah persoalan yang relatif lebih mudah... Ayoo Kitorang bisa !
rausen 1 year ago
Papua Merdeka
westpapuaunite 1 year ago
@kewlkewl12
Hey STUPID, Have you ever heard of the BALKANS? INDOnesia will be BALKANIZED. Just wait and see. Papua Merdeka!
Manyouri 1 year ago
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Indonesia has 90% Muslim and most of them are TERRORIST GROUPS!!!
The Native of Indonesian killed many Australians including Americans in BALI club bombing...
The Native Indonesians prohibited, burned and destroyed many Churches in JAVA, SUMATERA, SULAWESI, AMBON/ MALUKU, WEST PAPUA and WEST TIMOR!!!
poiuytrewq6641 1 year ago
u r not human but rather than just animal. u have no humanity but evilness. u'll be end up in hell.
disapear2069 2 years ago
Hehehe.....
Tinggal dikit lagi koq PAPUA udah maw MERDEKA. FREEDOM is the only way *_^
disapear2069 2 years ago
ampe mati PAPUA akan tetap berjuang untuk MERDEKA!!
1 MATI, TUMBUH 1000!
disapear2069 2 years ago
What? Are you trying to say the folks of Papua are not Black,. but actually Indonesians who share the same colour, culture, ethnic roots & organised religion (islam) as their neo-nazis Indonesian occupiers? I await your response with bated breathe.
H1MLA 2 years ago
although What would I support is the international interventions on human rights against the Indonesian Military Generals if they have enough proved, and responsible on their claim by means that if they don't have enough prove they are willing to be sue back! This is what I called FREEDOM AND LIBERTY!
monyetbau 2 years ago
I seconded your argument retard! Be logical and start learning english! I hope you keen on not being so lazy and start reading english books instead of looking on MTV and copying Nirvana's profanation as typical Indonesian people!
monyetbau 2 years ago
@dmxkiller95 papua milik papuans
81bullets 2 years ago
@dmxkiller95 indonesia is no different than the dutch if you practice oppression..and we all know you are.
you are worse than dutch..you are inefficient haha
81bullets 2 years ago
lol Indonesia and Turkey is the most secular muslim countries in the world you H1MLA retard! How come we could be Neo- Nazis?
monyetbau 2 years ago
Your actions of genocide against the Black people of Papua (who are NOT of Asia ethnic roots nor muslims like Indonesians) & Turkey's genocide against the Armenians & on-going genocide against the Kurdish people, make you both Neo-Nazis.
H1MLA 2 years ago
org papua lu jgn karna warna kulit beda lu jd ingin merdeka......
coz dengan perbedaan itulah kt bisa bersatu dan tak dimiliki oleh bangsa lain.....
anakpelita 2 years ago
shut the fuck up u son of bitch!!!!!
Bersatu....?? Apanya yg bersatu??
kalian tu hanya tahu merampas dari orang2 papua sj.
disapear2069 2 years ago
lu seharusnya bangga bro jd org indonesia...
gw yakin indonesia bakal jd negara maju di masa depan.... tinggal tunggu waktunya aja...
anakpelita 2 years ago
The UN & world opinion were against U & the dictator soharto was about to leave office & indonesia was facing isolation. The same thing will happen in West Papua, as the people of West Papua are Black & have nothing in common with indonesians. Its occupation & you know it. Slowly but surely, West Papua will gain it freedom. The muslim majority in Indonesia had shown itself to be intolerant racist & fascists.Your records of crimes against minorities in Indonesia is as long as ur arms.
H1MLA 2 years ago
@H1MLA its not becoz they are muslims..not at all.
their treatment of minorities is due to their facism and shallow nationalism. they are inefficient,stupid,lazy and cruel so they reacted violently to manage their territories
81bullets 2 years ago
But Papua is NOT an Indonesian territory as Indonesia is made up of Asia people. Papua is made up of Black people. So how on earth you can say Indonesia own the territory of Papua (a Black country) is really beyond belief. I mean, if South Africa, suddenly fly troops into your country & colonise it, claiming its now SA's territory, will you accept it? I know you wouldn't. Oh, muslims are killing Black Africans in Darfur in a genocide campaign. I'm sure you know of that as well?
H1MLA 2 years ago
To be honest, was it The Malaysia Government who always made up their territory. Since you brought this issue, how could you explain The dispute over the island, known as Pedra Branca by Singapore and Pulau Batu Puteh by Malaysia, arose in 1980?
monyetbau 2 years ago
@H1MLA Actually... Indonesian is Austronesian not fully asian , except the chinese and Papuan is Real Austronesian :)... and Indonesia is not a muslim country dear :) I'm Javanese Indonesian and I'm an agnostic... used to be a catholic tho :o and if u got a data, sayin' that 87% of Indonsian is muslim .. that's a big LIE... actually most of Indonesian are Agnostic....
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@foxfreaker LIsten, the people in paupa are Black in Ethnicity. They have NOTHING in common with the vile racist Asian ethnic majority in Indonesia. Just like East Timor, Indonesia need to get the fuck out of Paupa, simple & plain. Indonesia is a muslim dominated muslim fascist state where non-muslim minorities are persecuted & killed. Look at Ache & Moloko. for f()^&k sake! Anyways, its won't be long now before indonesia becomes another Bosnia.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA yeah whatever.. ur acknowledge makez me laugh :D
foxfreaker 1 year ago
You cretin, you said that about East Timor & we both know what happened there, don't we? Your state of Indonesia is a muslim neo-nazis state full of muslim genocide mass murderers. West Papua is a Black nation which had nothing in common with Indonesia, FACT. U are only in their country 2 steal their lands & take their natural resources. So next time muslims take about Palestine, they should think about West Papua too. You bloody hypocritical evil muslim fascists!
H1MLA 2 years ago
@H1MLA please dont call muslims that
indonesia never declare themselves as a muslim nation so they have no right to represent islam
they represent indonesia
please respect that
i'm from malaysia
81bullets 2 years ago
I'm afraid, you are lying here mate. Indonesia gladly tells the globe that its Islam's largest muslim state. Islamic fundamentalism is rife in Indonesia & the intolerance of Indonesians toward Black people is well known. The people of Paupa are Black & have nothing in common with these vile racist imperialist Indonesian murderering genocide nazis! I have zero respect 4 racist people & Indonesia fit into that box.
H1MLA 2 years ago
I believe that the Indonesian Government with the support of The United States Military are actively pursue war against terrorism which most of their leaders are in fact MALAYSIANS! The Malaysian government as the matter of fact don't pursue any policy to combat terrorism! Also how do you justify the MALAYSIAN Sharia Law which is incompatible with norms of modern society such as raiding nightclubs and people trying to have fun and drink alcohol?
monyetbau 2 years ago
@H1MLA@H1MLA "Although it is not an Islamic state, Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation" see wikipedia.. I'm afraid you're embarrassing yourself dear.. so stop commenting if u dunno the truth . O yeah want to say that Most muslim here are not really muslim, most of em are agnostic.. or it's called MUSLIM KTP ( Muslim only on ID card) ;)
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@foxfreaker Why is it, you muslims insist on lying? Indonesia is more or less a muslim fascist state now, as non-muslim christian girls are being force to wear those ghastly muslim ninja outfits to cover up their heads. Indonesia is committing genocide in West Paupa against the Black folks there, a race of people with no connection to Indonesia. You can lie as much as you like, but human rights organisations report on Indonesia's abuse of human rights makes for a very sad reading.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA oH MY lORD... where did u hear that? I was catholic n now agnostic and live in Java and no one bothers me :O.... East Indonesia (Molocca, Celebes etc) is Unstable area yeah?! and Where the hell do u come from>?? have u ever been in Indonesia? Papua? EVEN THEN THE MUSLIM HERE are not wearing muslim outfits yeah?!? open your eyes beib... only 5% muslim-indonesian wears something like that.... check it out on Mr.Google...
foxfreaker 1 year ago
@H1MLA i'm with any struggle against colonialism. i'm against oppression
i'm with acheh
i'm with maluku
i'm with papuan
81bullets 2 years ago
Seconded, I couldn't agree with you more. Peace!
H1MLA 2 years ago
@H1MLA Neo- Nazi, racism? lol I am a believer of freedom, a United States Citizen also an active member of amnesty international. I'm not against the Papuan Independence for a better West Papuan Society.
monyetbau 2 years ago
The fact is that the Indonesian central government have given them a national autonomy or liberation within west papua means that once claimed to be the occupier and under the name of Indonesian local government bureaus are in fact local Non-Javanese Black papuan people itself, chosen democratically by the papuan people since the year of 2004 without any intervention from the central government. Will it better off for Papuan people if they have their own government?
monyetbau 2 years ago
@H1MLA I challenge both of you in a further civilized discussion!
monyetbau 2 years ago
show some respect gook.
tariqziyad 2 years ago
Please support these oppressed peoples.
Ziggyztarz 2 years ago
free west papua
Frederick562 2 years ago
AUSTRALIA is not the one who will help us fool.hahhahahahahaha
we're not stupid .
and second the exciled leaders???
you're about 30 years behind on your historylessons because we're a whole new generation of West Papuans in excile!
So better tell all of your friends ,we're all coming home soon,young and old.
better watch what you say and who you say it to.
because it just might be someone you'll meet in the future.
propaganda is what the government has been feeding you,
very pittyfull
1974papua 2 years ago
we're not lookin' at rates neighbor.
we're lookin' at facts now right after the afghanistantop in the hague and g20 in London.
if you're not down with the native people that have lived on the PACIFIC island of West PAPUA,than YOU will face major problems if you stay there this year.
it's game over!!!!!!!!!
West Papua will be free this year!!
Papua MERDEKA
1974papua 2 years ago
in ten years you will just have a few small islands that the world will call indoland,because West Papua,Timor and Maluku and even Aceh shall be free one day.dickhead
1974papua 2 years ago
"kemerdekaan adalah hak segalah bangsa, dan oleh sebab itu maka penjajahan di atas dunia harus dihapuskan karena tidak sesuai dengan perikemanusiaan dan keadilan". Jadi hak kita Bangsa Papua donk kalo kita maw merdeka, siapa yang maw larang!! Syarat2 terbentuknya suatu negara antara laen: memiliki wilayah, pemerintahan, penduduk, dan diakui oleh negara2 laen dan Papua sudah memiliki semuanya itu, tetapi kenapa Indonesia tidak memberikan kemerdekaan???????????????????????????????????????????????
disapear2069 3 years ago
Negara Palestina aja bisa ilang diembat ma Israel, Aborigin diembat ma British became Australia, Papua yah tetap Indonesia...
backpackerchef 2 years ago
Sepertinya anda kurang banyak baca brita n informasi yg terbaru y........
President Obama aj udah printahkan indonenesia untuk cepatin urusan kemerdekaan Papua. President SBY sj sdh lepas tangan n tdk maw pusing lg dg masalah Papua, brarti tinggal lepasin Papua untuk merdeka aj kan? Hilary Clinton aj lagi marah besar n maw bwt perhitungan dg indonesia krn menolak palang merah internasional untuk kunjungi tapol dari Papua.
disapear2069 2 years ago
kata siapa tuh?, mane sumber beritanya, kasih linknya, jangan berani koar2.....
fisadhitya 2 years ago
saya mengerti bahwa klaim-klaim yang ditudingkan oleh video ini dan juga commenters memiliki dasar kebenaran.
tapi pernahkan terbersit dibenak kita mengapa itu semua terus terjadi? tidak lain karena orang-orang yang selama ini memegang kuasa berpikiran kerdil. tak mampu melihat indonesia sebagai sebuah bangsa yang besar.
lalu apakah kita juga akan ikut-ikutan berpikiran kerdil dengan bersikeras menolak menjadi bagian dari bangsa indonesia?
indonesia itu unik, tiada pembanding.
agungk 3 years ago
ohhh yeah, Papuan are indonesian for a fact, OR NOT, why the fuck to people in West Papua want independence if they consider themself to be part of Indonesia, all yoú wankers sitting over in Jakarta can go and kill yourself, will at least leave up some space for less braindead people. Only reason that you idiots consider West Papua to be part of Indonesia is due to the natural resources, you dont give a shit in anything else, FREE WEST PAPUA
sebbe67 3 years ago
you fuck your self mate,....
backpackerchef 2 years ago
Papua is the real indonesian people......
Don't get u're mind anyway........
The Dutch is the real imperialism.........
My Grandfa was die by genocide in 1964.....And NICA behind this.....fuuck Dutchass...
akbarbudiono 3 years ago 2
@akbarbudiono
hey jawa goblok,pelahap jengkol,otak lu sekerdil tubuhlu,bangsa tempe bongkrek,papua lepas lu miskin jawa penipu,neo kolonialis,hidung lu sudah pesek kebanyakan bohong.
habibalihadun 3 years ago
saya setuju, jengkal apanya taik kucing. saya orang dayak di kalimantan. kami tidak ada perkembangan, fasilitas kuliah tidak ada sampai s2 yang bagus2 kentot. selamanya kami cuma jadi orang miskin dan jawa2 yang dapat pekerjaan layak. kami juga mau MERDEKAAAA...
tanah kami dirampas untuk pembangunan sawit tapi apa kontribusinya bagi kami. semua cuma sampah.. ras kami juga berbeda..
svenatomicCohen 3 years ago
Apabila anda orang Indonesia, anda pasti tahu bahwa bukan hanya orang Papua saja yang menderita di bawah kekuasaan Orde Baru. Banyak putra-putri bangsa yang dibunuh, disiksa, diculik, dan ditahan karena menentang pemerintahan Orde Baru.
Penderitaan seluruh rakyat Indonesia sesungguhnya sama karena kita mengalami masa penindasan Orba. Jadi, bukan hanya Papua saja yang menderita karena kebijakan pemerintah Orba yang sangat otoriter.
mari kita renungkan.....
Oploboy 3 years ago 4
Jengkal,jengkal!!!!,bullshit,you stupid
sudah lebih dari 100000 orang papua meninggal karena ulah tikus-tikus senayan itu
lagian...atas dasar apa papua,kalimantan,sumatera di sebut bagian dari indonesia????!!!! jelaskan secara jelas alasannya.itu semua hanya lah propaganda yang mengatakan bahwa semua tanah jajahan hindia belanda adalah indonesia,tai kucing!!!!,gimana kalau australia juga bagian dari hindia belanda,apakah berarti australia juga bagian dari indonesia ????!!!!.bullshit!!!!
jef486 3 years ago
Australia bukan Hindia Belanda, Australia bunuh aborigin australia genocide. Propaganda Australia dan US, untuk mendapatkan West Papusa sebagai negara boneka baru.
backpackerchef 2 years ago
INDONESIA=CHINA
WEST PAPUA=TIBET
kutigoi 3 years ago
Kami orang2 Indonesia non-papua sangat mencintai papua dan mengajak semua orang papua untuk tetap berada dalam 1 famili.
newties21 3 years ago 4
tetapi kenapa orang papua mau pisah? mereka kan yg mau pisah duluan.
Disco234jockey 3 years ago
bangsat penipu loe
habibalihadun 2 years ago
Maaf tapi menurut saya 'kemerdekaan' itu apa yang dicita-citakan? Memangnya tidak baik kalau orang papua juga ada kalimantan, sumatera, jawa, sebagai bagian dari tanah airnya? Jangan hanya menganggap papua sebagai rumahnya dan tanah airnya saja. Tanah kalimantan, sumatera, jawa, dll, juga merupakan tanah kalian. Kalau kalian memecah papua untuk berdiri merdeka sendiri berarti kalian memecah rumah kalian sendiri, kerena sebenarnya kalian juga memiliki setiap jengkal dari Indonesia.
newties21 3 years ago 3
jengkal dari indonesia mana......????????
rumah apa yg anda bilang,,,, suda sebagian maawyrakat papua meningal karena TNI dll...
jadi kalau mau tau kenapa papua mau merdeka baca sejara dulu baru comment jangan asal bicara.......
begitulah orang indonesia tong kosong bunyi nyaringnya.........
amolongo 3 years ago
We know that this is a war we are not going to win by military force. But we are making more friends, and they will help us to gain our VICTORY. Just wait and see.
Manyouri 3 years ago
lol, every country founded with blood... get use to it...
akuganteng 4 years ago
empodel,SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!!
vivalareinenatie 4 years ago
The UN practically gave Dutch New Guinea to Indonesia. The Act of Free Choice was a joke. You should do some serious reading about the subject, if you don't know this. Why not start with this book. You can buy it at Amazon.
The United Nations and the Indonesian Takeover of West Papua, 1962-1969: The Anatomy of Betrayal
author: John Saltford
cleo1994 4 years ago
Indonesian government have spent billions to build schools, churces, bridges, and hospitals. Native Papuans as well as migrants from other Indonesian islands have lived in peace and prosperity for decades.
Now a small group of West Papuan aboriginal people want independence? DREAM ON MATES! You are better off under Indonesian established and civilised rule.
billisnowy 4 years ago
Review again the contract of Freeport!! Many gold was stolen by Soeharto' family, Indonesian Government corrupt, and Another country.
syuralpha 4 years ago
I thinks Indonesian government can't protect and make any develop things in papua. They more like make any "systematic foolishness program" for papua people. It have purpose that to steal many gold and silver in there. And, it happen too with another country. Every country just want the gold from papua land. And, don't care about the people and her culture. An modern Imperialism??????? Yes, I thinks so.
syuralpha 4 years ago
The Reality is INDOnesia is a PUPPET nation. Controlled by the WEST.
Manyouri 4 years ago
Rasa kemanusiaan memang terbatas hanya pada mereka yang punya hati.
HodoRoma 4 years ago
If your interested in reading about the subject, you can buy this book at Amazon.
The United Nations and the Indonesian Takeover of West Papua, 1962-1969: The Anatomy of Betrayal
author: John Saltford
cleo1994 4 years ago