Why aren't there any Cross's in any of the Temples, only Masonic symbols ? I was told after attending a meeting,(because it surley didn't seem like a church service) at a local Ward, that there are none because they worship the life of Christ, not his death ! Hello ! Isn't Christ's death and shedding of his blood for our sins the whole reason for it all ? There is only 1 God, 1 Jesus and 1 Heaven. No Planets for those who acheive Godlyness. I'm trying not to be negitive but Mormanism is wrong.
@scubadude72060 We do not worship his death nor use crosses because it is symbolic of a good thing and a bad thing. We want to focus mainly on what's good about it. Yes, we do mourn over the death of Christ, but we also want to focus on the good side too, which is why we don't use a cross.
I'M A FORMER Mormon missionary, and apologist (defender of the Church against anti-Mormon attacks). I wrote a book defending the Church ("The Gainsayers"). The evidence is 100% against the Church being true.I left in '96. I am now a Daheshist, a follower of Dr. Dahesh (1912-1984), the miracle-working prophet of Lebanon. He raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, etc. For further info on Doctor Dahesh and His Teachings email me: darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT com
"Years ago a child was born in an obscure village to poor parents residing in a dwelling they did not own but one that was made available to them through the kindness of others. The child grew to be an extraordinary individual and though he died before his 40th birthday, he transformed the society and world in which he lived.
“Dec. 23 will mark the 207th anniversary of the birth of Joseph Smith Jr., the prophet of the Restoration.”
Christmas message from the Deseret News (Mormon Church)
Good things come from Christ. And if it is not good... it is not from Christ. Simple as that. Hateful and contentious comments under the guise of caring about another's soul are clearly not from Christ. A church that teaches, preaches and strives to live as Jesus Christ clearly stands for Christ, for no man can serve two masters. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Curious about what mormons REALLY believe? Sit down and talk to missionaries in your area. 1 (801) 422-2602.
ALL THESE TEMPLES BUILT FOR SATAN WILL BURN AND FALL WITH ALL THOSE WHOM HAVE BELIEVED SATAN'S LIES THROUGH LIARS LIKE JOSEPH SMITH MAY THE GOD OF HEAVEN HAVE MERCY ON THEIR SOULS...
@STRYPEROCKS777 I'm not saying that there is no God, nor am I saying that I am wise. You should read before you argue and reason before you type. You arent even making a ghost of a point.
@STRYPEROCKS777 I have studied the prophecies and they did not impress me at al. If anything, it looked like a screenplay for comedy central. Besides, if the rapture is going to happen I will be happy living on earth with my friends and family. I do, however, think that all the believers in this nonsense will be in for ''The- second- Great Disappointment''. You have no evidence and you being pious is of no help to your credibility.
listen to what your saying.... do u have God in you?... if you do.. follow God's command and do not judge.. respect other people's belief... this is to those haters who spend their time destroying other people's faiths.. its our faith, our testimony, our choice... its us who will enjoy or suffer as you say the consequences... live your own life...
This book, “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?”, knocks it out of the park. The truth about Romney and the Mormon Church is both shocking and informative. Book is well documented and completely necessary for all to read both from a political prospective and also to save our families from the cult of Mormonism. I hope the author stays safe. THIS BOOK ALSO EXPOSES MITT’S FLIP FLOP RECORD!
I bear mine own witness also that Mormons have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge, for they seek perfection through there own efforts and have not submitted themselves to the Righteousness of God. For Moses brought forth the righteousness which was of the law and that man is righteous by abiding by it, but the righteousness of Faith comes from a True Witness from the Holy Spirit that Jesus is your Salvation and your Righteousness, HE IS LORD!
@paulbunyan2435 Whenever you feel ready to know the truth, just ask me. You have yet to join His church, and the restoration of His church is completely biblical.
@LDS4Life71 I want people to experience a life of liberty, knowing salvation is assured through your faith, and not a constant measuring of whether or not you are doing all you can so that you might receive grace in the end. The gospel really is a rest from our labor, it is coming to a place in Christ where the righteousness has been fulfilled. It is relying upon Him completely for Salvation.
@paulbunyan2435 We rely on him completely actually more than a hypocrit like an evangelical. Jesus Christ spoke often of hypocrits, and evangelicals meet this requirement. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I believe God described them completely by "having a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."
Find the true Jesus Christ of the bible, because he is the same Jesus from the BoM.
@LDS4Life71 Kind of sad you blocked me from sending a message to you... For a man that is concerned with following Truth, I cannot see why you would filter information. If you truly had faith in Christ, you would not fear any infomation in the world, because you would realize He would not let you fall. It would either cement you further int he Truth you already have, or it would give you new truth that you had not previously known. Either way you are better off. May God's will be done
@paulbunyan2435 Please don't try feigning that you have the truth, because you do not. Your evangelical friends and you are not born again, and you have not entered at the straight gate which leads to life, and you have not built your foundation on a rock. Matt 7.
Defending Mormonism is correct, and I stand with Jesus chrst , the true one, and he visited the ancient inhabitants of meso america.
@LDS4Life71 You say I have not built my foundation upon a rock, when the very rock I have built my faith upon is Christ alone. The difference is I believe God when He says He will save me if I believe in His Son and hold onto that until the last day as justification. You believe that faith is not enough... that you must do works worthy to receive Grace. You believe you must be worthy to receive blessings by your own righteousness. I believe I am made worthy through Christ Alone.
@paulbunyan2435 Mormon Apologetic Scholarship and Evangelical Neglect:
Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?
Carl Mosser and Paul Owen
1997 Evangelical Theological Society Far West Annual Meeting
April 25, 1997
Please don't try feigning that you have the truth, because you do not. Your evangelical friends and you are not born again, and you have not entered at the straight gate which leads to life, and you have not built your foundation on a rock. Matt 7.
@LDS4Life71 Just read the article... very inciteful, but I found it interesting that many of the works (Nag Hammadi Scrolls, book of Enoch, Gospel of Phillip, etc) have information pulled from them that does support Mormon theology, but have you read the books yourself? I have, and yes there are some interesting things in them, but then you read along and blasphemy is staring you right in the face. So if I cannot trust the book as a whole, why would I even take parts from it?
@LDS4Life71 For example, in the book of enoch angels come down from heaven and impregnate women and create Giants, which is a spinoff of the Genesis 6 account. Genesis 6 says that man became corrupt not angels. So which would you believe? There is all sorts of that kind of stuff in the Book of Enoch, yet there are interesting ideas also. But if the book does not speak to me of truth as a whole, I cannot trust it is from God.
@paulbunyan2435 The Book of Enoch is quoted by Peter in the New Testament. It does also talk about the three degrees of glory as is also LDS doctrine. I own a copy of it in english translation, and have listened to it read on youtube as i followed along. You need to open your eyes.
@LDS4Life71 The account of Adam and Eve is quoted by many also, but which account are they talking of? I go by the Genisis account not others that have been banned or rewritten. Just because we have a "Book of Enoch" does not mean it was the one Peter was quoting. It could be a spinoff of the original Book of Enoch. It has Gnostisism written all over it. Just go to a gnostic website and look at their beliefs and you will feel right at home with the Book of Enoch.
@LDS4Life71 The point I am trying to make is that the Gospel is not complex, it is simple. 1 Corinthians 1:17-31. The Greeks desired more, and to the Jews He is a stumblingblock, either way they were both wrong and missed the point.
@paulbunyan2435 If you truly believe that God told you to preach the true Gospel of King Jesus, I suggest you get to it. Trying to dismantle or discredit the Mormon church is not likely to bring anyone to Christ; I've tried to explain this to my many evangelical friends over the years. It is an exclusionary "attack" strategy and not indicative of the love, patience, and understanding taught by the very Jesus you profess. It will only put Mormons in a defensive posture.
@LDS4Life71 My LDS friend, I believe God calls those out of all religions to reach those very people that they were part of. I want nothing more than for my mormon brothers and sisters to have a personal relationship with Christ, and to experience what a change His Spirit can bring into their lives. I want people to experience doing things out of love rather than doing things because they believe God wants them to do it, so they make themselves do it.
@paulbunyan2435 Well thanks for caring. There is NO better place than in the church of Jesus Christ that Christ restored, endowed with the power of the priesthood of God to feel the spirit of God, and to walk in his light.
Evangelicals do not know the God of Abraham, nor Jacob, nor Israel, and they do not follow the bible in its completeness.
My LDS friends, please come to the throne of mercy which is in Christ Jesus, and be given the assurance of Salvation in Him, that you might be made spotless in the Blood of The Lamb and be presented perfect before the Father, and that your burden might be lifted and you might have rest in His Son, and assurance that you are His. For Salvation truly is a gift and not something we work for or earn, it is something that God gives to us when we come to a point where we rely upon Him alone.
Please my LDS friends, read Galatians and Acts 15 and pray that the Lord might open up your mind to understand His Grace. For if I become more perfect through ordinances and temple work, then Christ died in vain. For if I have died in Him and been made perfect in Him, how can I become more perfect? I will not frustrate the Grace of Christ (Galatians 2:21).
Also, Romans 11:6, the blessings of Christ come from Grace alone, not a combination of Grace and works of the law, they are seperate.
I was thinking about converting to Mormonism because I really like the idea of becoming a God myself and being able to own my own personal planet where I get to have human subjects that I rule over.
Just kidding. That is ridiculous! Did anyone know that the Freemasons teach the same thing?
@musicman4283 Hahahahaha....dude it's like taking candy from a baby dealing with you....any credibility you had you just lost by throwing your toys out of the crib. I told you you should probably just stop.
@musicman4283 That's awesome, I would really like to know where and where not to spend my money, if all bigots were as transparent as you then it would make it much more easy. As far as the handshakes and all that jazz, you can look all that up on Youtube. A Freemason isn't going to be upset because a non Mason knows, only if a Mason gives away the secret. You sound like a happy enough person, to truly enjoy life and to know everything that needs to be known, so that's awesome!
@Cruthini That's the funny part, Masons are the ones who taught me. I know several Masons and ex-Masons. You may not know this, but there are active traitors within the lodge working to reveal the true "secret" of Masonry. There are many people who believe that Freemasons are the literal "Army of Satan" and that kind of makes sense when you consider that Masons worship Lucifer.
@musicman4283 Sorry it took so long to reply there guy,,,,It was virgin sacrafice night down the lodge, c'mon get serious pal, alot of people thought the earth was flat too, it didn't make it true either. The most wonderful part of the matter is there is no such things as a secret in the end, that's just humanity, for a secret is only as good as the person who takes an oath to uphold it, that's all. In the end it is only personal conviction that matters.
@Cruthini It is a logical fallacy to compare something that can be scientifically disproven (is Earth flat?) to something theological unprovable (does God exist?). You are attempting to generate the feeling of doubt among those who would already have a hesitant attitude about Masons. i.e. give an exaggerated response that they wouldn't believe and, in most people, that causes them to discount any recent negative things that may have heard. The lodge teaches this method of information control.
@musicman4283 I think common sense discounts things that you may have heard. It is illogical to say masons are puppets of international bankers and they worship Lucifer in universal terms. I know that i am neither a puppet of international bankers or that I worship Satan, so when arguing a point that encompasses all of a group and can be dis proven by any member of said group it is kind of pointless. You were making inflammatory statements which you haven't proven. Here-say really dude?
@Cruthini I should elaborate upon a previous comment of mine. "...and you don't even know it until it is too late to quit!" In effect, my argument does not encompass EVERY member of your group, just the ones who have reached the higher degrees. That you personally don't worship Lucifer or are a puppet of int'l bankers doesn't prove my point as wrong. It only proves that you have not reached the degree to which you would be exposed to worship of Lucifer or int'l puppetry.
@musicman4283 well we will have to agree to disagree then. I am sure that you feel that you are correct in your assertions as I feel that you are not. I am certainly glad that we live in an age where we can disagree. Good luck to you my friend, and I am quite sure that you will become very famous if you can prove that you are right.
@Cruthini Being famous is not my objective. Your comment saying "Good luck to you my friend" is not only insincere but also insulting. I am no friend of a practicing Mason. You and your brethren of Satan simply try to act nonchalant and friendly when faced with outright opposition so as to confuse uninitiated people about your true motives... kinda like how Satan would trick Eve into eating the tasty fruit that couldn't possible cause harm and then she saw what it really was. You are deceitful.
@musicman4283 Well that is unfortunate. You presume to think for me and in my experience that is the sign of a person who has not learned the art of conversation. You have provided no evidence that could be considered opposition other than your opinion. Your opinion is not fact or anything that proves your point. I don't know or care what your beliefs are, I presume that you are a Christian of some sort so I would suggest that you act as one. They stopped doing Witch hunts 100 years ago.
@Cruthini I think i have proven that I can converse quite well. Just as my opinion is not fact and doesn't prove anything, the same would apply to your opinion, of which hasn't proved anything either. So what is your point? Do you expect me to provide some amazing proof and settle the centuries old argument of who the Masons are right here on YouTube? I don't think I ever set out to do that nor do I think that a convincing argument could be presented in the small comments we are allowed to post.
@musicman4283 and exactly what is it that I have tried to prove? Nothing. I don't have to prove anything because I never made any assertions. It would seem that you have proven one thing, howver, that you can't back up you assertions. This is America, the last time I checked I don't have to prove my innocence, you have to prove my guilt or your assertion of my guilt by association. Although I encourage you to keep going as your agruements are like shifting sand in an earthquake.
@Cruthini Furthermore, you say that my "arguments are like shifting sand" as if I have changed my position or modified my original opinion that Freemasons are evil. Since you are self-proclaiming to be such a eloquent debater and logical mastermind, would you please elaborate and let me know exactly what my argument was and how it has shifted like the sand?
The guy speaking in this videos sounds completely scripted a insincere.
I remember when I first heard the tenets of Mormonism. It only took about 5 seconds to realize that Joseph Smith was a fraud, liar and a thief. I can't believe that ANYONE would willingly go along with this cult. As far as how they recruit and, more importantly, retain membership, Mormons are very similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both are a bunch of idiots in my opinion. Freemasons too.
Mitt Romney believes he will become a “god” in the next life and be given his own planet to Lord over. He will call his wife, Ann, into it to populate his planet with spirit children. Would you vote for a man who believes he is going to become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land?
Get The book: “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”.
only one God. I am sorry you do not believe in Jesus Christ because I testify that he is a God. And if my math is correct that makes..........2. Your theory just went out the window. The scriptures clearly say Gods. Peter spoke of the restoration of all things in the latter days. Joseph smith is the Prophet of the Restoration. Paul spoke of the dispensaton of the fullness of times. that is now and the forces of evil are fighting this work but will not succeed.
@MrFitzwilly I am not a member of the LDS church but don't understand where it says in the Book of Mormon that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are not the same person. I can only find reference in 3 Nephi that the Trinity exsists. 3 Nephi 11:27 27 And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for
behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and
the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in
I will say that as a Freemason, I am not pleased with the video of the ceremonies that I have seen on youtube in regard to Temple rituals and the similarities between them and Freemasonry. I will say the apple didn't fall far from the tree and from what I have read these rituals where instituted within weeks of J.S. becoming a Freemason. They are not completely the same but close enough that I would assert that J.S. wasn't very good at keeping his Masonic obligation in the very least.
@Cruthini The connection between Masonry and Mormonism is tenuous at best. Bottom line: Masonry has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Mormonism has everything to do with Jesus Christ. Enough said.
Jeremiah 14 14 ; The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Why do you think we worship Joseph smith? He is a prophet who restored our church, not our god. We believe and worship god and Jesus. We also use the bible alot more and not just the book of Mormon. I am13 and am living clean and I'm proud to be a Mormon. We do think Joseph smith is a great man but not a god.
@MrMrBobster Ironic that all those accusing Mormons of being "crazy" are themselves living in a fairytale land where they believe and spread all manner of lies.
@LDS4Life71 You never gave me your interpretation of the Ether 3:14 scripture. To me that was an eye opener when I read it along with the Mosiah 15 passage as well as many others. Then I noticed time and time again in the Book of Mormon where things didn't make sense compared to the later recorded "first vision" account. Either way I would like to know your opinion. Thanks.
@paulbunyan2435 I can see what you mean by the verse in Ether, and It's true statement. Because of the all the things Christ did for us, he inheritantly is adopting us as our Father. I still point out that there is two bodies celestial that make up the Godhead, and only the third member remains a spirit for the time being.
@LDS4Life71 You know that cannot work... This is where you have to decide what you believe... Jesus Himself taught. in John 20:17 as just one example, because there are others... I ascend unto my Father and your Father, My God and your God.... Please just pray to God to show you the Truth, then be willing to follow it wherever it takes you. There are warning signs in the church, most people just write them off and determine its just because they don't have an understanding yet.
@paulbunyan2435 I have a perfect understanding already, and I have asked the LORD for the truth already, and I know it doesn't involve having my hands in the air, and rolling on the floor like a possessed fool. Your experience in the evangelical church is a false one, and not of God.
The trinity is false, and not biblical. John 20:17 is a great example too. It was a Greek idea and not from the Hebrew apostles. thank you.
@LDS4Life71 I can see that you have no desire to openly discuss. You obviously do not understand my faith, nor my position on the nature of God. If you choose to ignore the evidence and add to the written Word, the Lord will prove you a liar in the last day (prov. 30:4-6). We have to have something to "test the spirits" by and that is the Bible. If you choose new revelation and reject the old, God will have the final say. I pray for you my brother, and want you to "know" God personally.
@LDS4Life71 I have read articles you asked me to, I have watched videos that I might better understand where you are coming from... yet I fear it is fruitless. I would just ask you to read the Bible with an open mind, and just read what it says. The Truth of it will manifest itself unto you and you won't need to pray about it. Get an unedited KJV so that you are not influenced with others ideas. Question God with boldness and a sincere heart, and He will answer you.
@MrMrBobster So you believe that Joseph smith was not a good enough person to attain the godhood his church offers? If so, what sins are you claiming he committed?
So, the Word of God says: " Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you"- Dueteronomy 4:2 If you all believe in the WORD OF GOD than why not follow HIS commands? Is HIS word not good enough or ENOUGH for you to live by that you rely on a man named Joseph? It's a contratidiction. I'm sorry but I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that the mormon church is based on the bible much less on God!!
@999LDS Where did you ge that idea? In no part of what I said did I mention me thinking I'd become a God. I believe that the Word of God was created for a great purpose which is clearly stated in the bibile, it was made so that we can live according to it, & just as I pointed out Dueteronomy 4:2 which says to follow His commands, we are to do just that. By you guys following the words of a man such as Joseph, you're already being disobedient to God.
Err anyone who is saying there are pentagrams all over the place in an L.D.S. temple, hasn't been in one. I am no longer a member fo the L.D.S. church: to many questions which can not be answered, and a lack of witness from the holy ghost, but lying, is lying, wrong is wrong, and false attacks on anyone is not christian in character.
lol... what a pagan religion founded by a wacko ignorant fool named Joseph the "Drunken" Smith! hahahaha.... This is how Mohammed also got his false massage from a masqueraded Satan as a messenger angel of God!
To anyone within the sound of my voice, Please just pray to God that you might see and understand Truth, and tell Him that you will go wherever it takes you. Lean not on man for understanding, but become as a little child and learn from Him, read His words and read the words of those that saw and touched Him! Christ rent the veil in two! In the temple a high priest was the only one that had access past the veil, but we now have direct access to God through Christ and He speaks through His Word!
@paulbunyan2435 Thanks for your sincerity and earnestness. I, along with other Mormons, have discovered Christ in the doctrines of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Know that I have an abiding faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and that it is only through Him that I can overcome sin and death. God bless.
I think the hardest thing to listen to is the absolute sincerety coming from Bednar. I know he genuinely believes what he is teaching, but it doesn't mean that it is true.
Study how a temple was built and then read the book of Hebrews, especially chapters 8-10. All a temple was, was a "shadow or type" for Christ when He would come and offer the perfect sacrifice as our High Priest forever.
Does God need a temple to reside in..? Heaven is my throne earth is my footstool....Acts 7:48-49
I have found that the problem with a religion that teaches you must be obedient to works of the law is this:
It breads a false sense of security to those that belong to it. You rely less upon Christ and rely more upon what you are doing as a gauge to your standing before God. You also might start to look at the people around you and judge them because they aren't living up to the law by your standards, which is wrong because we are all guilty before God.
Do we not realize that if you are hired by the Lord, no matter what the hour, we all receive the SAME reward?(Matthew 20) Yes their are many mansions, because many of us will be there, but their is not differing degrees of salvation. You either inherit the Kingdom or you don't. It is that simple. So how do we get to heaven, believe in the Son whom was sent by the Father, and CLING to Him for all Truth! Understand that Heaven is a Gift from God not something we earn or deserve.(Romans 4)
i believe we all believe in the same thing and no one is more righteous than the other but the one thing you say in the beginning of this video is when you take this sacrament you look to the temple when you are being baptized you look to the temple with all do respect it is not a temple you should be looking to it is the father almighty above the ruler of our people the creator of all life and miracles that behold us that you should look too its simply saddens me to hear those words
@alleybair You have misunderstood the overall message of this Apostle of Jesus Christ.
Watch the entire video. Everything Mormons do leads to God the Father and his son Jesus Christ. Mormons attend the Temple to learn about God and his Plan of Salvation made possible because of Jesus Christ. Mormons make covenants (promises) with God through temple ordinances. Mormons promise to worship God and remain faithful to him.
JESUS CHRIST IS WAY TRUTH LIFE ONE WHO GIVING ETERNAL LIFE BY MERCY GRACE not by work to gain entrence in HEAVEN GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST NEW TESTAMENT IS MESSAGE OF SALVATION BY GRACE OF HOLY ETERNAL GOD FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT not to bild stone temples sacrament working for salvation is corruption lie that satan is planted in Churches EVRY NEW BORN CHRISTIAN IS TEMPLE OF LIVING GOD FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT PEOPLE WHO ARE SEALED WITH HOLY SPIRIT FOR ETERNAL LIFE BY GRACE not by work
Church Public Affairs managing director Mike Otterson challenges those who use the word "cult" to categorize (and marginalize) members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:
"Few journalists use the term themselves, of course, as an adjective of choice. The usual method is to apportion the blame for the use of this highly pejorative label to 'many evangelicals' or 'some Christians' as a means of explaining how these groups might choose to vote, and to point out what a liability this is for any Latter-day Saint candidate."
BTW I don't deny mormons are friendly, caring, sincere and honorable people, they are...almost all of them. Doesn't mean they haven't elevated their doctrine over the true and only holy scripture, the King James Bible. They have. It's painfully obvious. I still like mormons as neighbors, just beware the brainwashing via 'other' holy writings...by a polygamist who found gold plates in up state NY? then they magically disappear after he reads them with special heavenly goggles? REDICULOUS
By Joseph Allen.... taken from his book "Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon"
And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them.... (3 Nephi 11:8)
i wonder why the 'book of moron' was re-issued...is it because it was originally a racist document? yep. look into it. and BTW, the pentagram and bull head signify BAAL....so as far as I can see, your 'church' (lol) has pentagrams and bull heads, not mine.
@LDS4Life71 to all....search "Mormonism Exposed", there are 3 parts. My church doesn't have upside down pentagrams or bull heads on the walls. My church doesn't have a whit Jesus that looks like Charlton Heston. My church doesn't have a secretive hierarchy. You can slap wheels on a boat and drive it down the road but that doesn't make it a car. MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. they have a whole different gospel. do some research, you'll find that out in 10 minutes.
@woofielove1970 The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
@LDS4Life71 "the book of moron is a volume of holy scripture" ....... poeple, this is all you need to know about mormons ...beware, they place their own teachings ABOVE the bible ...same as the jews did. Search "Mormonism Exposed" in 3 parts.....very easy to dismantle their false ideology.
@woofielove1970 Evangelicals are living a lie, and NOT born again, and under a false sense of security, and built their foundations on the sand like the fool.
@LDS4Life71 I agree with you there. They also, like mormons, have elevated their own teachings over those of the Bible. I believe Mormons are excellent citizens, kind, thoughtful, hardworking...everything a CHristian should be. The stumbling blocks, and there are many, that they encounter is the 'works' doctrine with is in direct contradition to Ephesians 2:8-9. But you will not believe me, the only true revalation of God, the KJV BIble, says so. Any other book is NOT of God but men. Shame.
10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
another revelation showing the BoM is true, and you got nothing
Act chap 17 .v 22: Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23: For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24: God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
@MyLifeIsInHime asks "where in scripture is proof of such [sic] temple?" Just do a simple search of the word "temple" and it'll pull up many references to temples in ancient times.
All this nice talk sure seems irrelevant the first time you go through the temple. When holy covenants become secret handshakes and top-secret passwords with threats if you tell anyone about them (not so harsh now as they used to be), that feeling of peace they like to talk about quickly becomes a feeling of uneasiness and dread. There's a reason they don't talk about it outside of it. Holy symbolism, my foot! My wife was terrified coming out of there after being yelled at by Satan!
and further more mormons are the only ones that get emotionally charged and start to cry when people like me comment about the false teachings of the mormons...read Isaiah 40-45 and read who God really says about himself. but I know as well as you do you will not because it is not from the bom.
are you kidding me, no mormon will reveal his or her oath and what goes on really in the temple. I also know your officials of the temple show videos about how Christian teachers and preachers are sold out to the devil. now my comment is this...you claim everyone on here says anti mormon comments, well I cannot see anything more anti than a mormon talking about real Christianity.
You will at least gain some perspective. It seems to me that you have all your life been hearing things about Mormons from people or places that have no idea about us or what we truly believe. Ask us. Question our beliefs but wait for an answer instead of running from it. Please. Please listen. I WANT to help you. I'm not just spouting off here. Just don't assume. Find reality.
I find it interesting that people don't respond to my comments. They come here, lay there opinions on Mormonism, then leave. Usually anti-Mormon opinions. I have my patriarchal blessing and I am below the standard age. These 4 sheets of paper have spoken to my heart more than a lot of things. I have decided to go on two missions in my life, 1 when I'm 21, 1 with my husband. I live in peace with everyone. I have faith. So much faith, and love for all of you. I hope and pray each day that all of
Whats the retail for a name in good standing? Other than intellectual integrity, my blind obedience, my first born and each thereafter.
With an extra 10% of my take home on top of regular tithing can my Buddhist wife and kids retain some small sliver of their beautiful cultural identities and heritage with the understanding that well baptize them posthumously? Can I reduce that to 5% if we still pay hefty lip-service? and how far up in heaven can they get being mostly white but in no way black?
@MrBigbear6718 You are wrong in ur believe that ''mormonism has no options like that''. Anyone can receive personal revelations and before talking you should go and really get informed about what you are on about. How can you have understanding when you are looking at a small spot in a very large picture? There are no secrets, only Sacred things. Maybe you should walk some steps back and really try and learn more and then you might understand.
and... the difference between mormonism and Christianity is that Christianity has no secrets in their services. everyone can go to meet with God any one can talk to God and hear him. mormonism has no options like that, they pray but does their god hear them? the mormon faith with the temple tries to emulate the Jews, yet the mormons do not believe in the same God structure as the Jews.
also there is another strange thought I have. The lds people do not like to be called mormons, in fact am I not far off by saying that it is a slang word to the lds.
My question is this...if lds people do not want to be called mormons then why is one of your church news papers called "mormon times" or something like that.
who reconstructed the stand off between Joe and the people shooting at him? I ll bet it was the church. if so that is a bias conclusion
what I find very strange and controversial is that the church is so shady and not forth right with its "secret rituals" In real Christianity there is no secrets
@MrBigbear6718 "shady" and "secret rituals"? You are not to informed are you MrSmallcub6718. With the internet most information is on the internet now...even pictures inside some Tempels and what they are used for.
@MrBigbear6718 Yes Joseph Smith fired the shots that eventually ended in their death, a few years after Joseph had died. These shots were fired in self defense before, he was shot and fell out a window to his death. If there were to be an autopsy I am fairly sure that cause of death could be determined as well as being able to reconstruct the scenario in which he died. Do keep in mind that there was a survivor of this mob attack. He did write about it and had in published.
@vendingdudes, Sad you have to make SO many excuses for your religion. I bet you money that you could tell me exactly where your "empire state building" is, couldn't you? it's not lost forever, or shall we say, was never even built? Before you think you have just came up with a witty comment, maybe you should read into that "religion" some before you come bawking back.
@roxon1366 In 1978 Ross T. Christensen carried out a partial excavation in Yemen, where the city of Nahom was discovered. The temples that were build there are consistent with a mush less extravagant and much smaller temple that resembled Hebrew temples in the time of the Nephites(about the 6th century BC). This is where the NHM comes from, once excavated fully and translated properly we should know the whole history of this artifact. This is the right place and time to be the Nephites' city.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8 KJV)
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:9 KJV)
You may spit upon us now, but in the future I desperately hope we all can come to love each other. You all are my brothers and sisters and you all made the choice to be righteous. I am 13 and I love all of you. I hope that someday you will respect us as we respect you
some people think we are a cult. But we only teach loving messages to one another. Yes, some of us do make mistakes. We are human. But look at the majority of our church from a new perspective. From the perspective of a new person with no opinion. And see us as we really are. We all have to potential to be back in heaven with our heavenly father and I believe that with more love and faith, we can all be righteous.
People. I do not understand. We have done nothing wrong. I think it is disrespectful the way you judge us but God gave you free agency. You have been given the opprtunity to make your own choices and i respect that. But we are human beings too. We have feelings, and hearts, and minds, and souls.
As I have loved you, love one another. This new commandment, love one another. By this shall man know, ye are my disciples. If ye hath loved, one to another.
of course the Mormons couldn't let the blacks in they didn't develop souls until 1976 everyone knows that just like god decided that polygamy was bad at the same time that the united states make it illigal
@ConstantSurprises Blacks have always been allowed to be baptized into the Mormon church. You are confusing the Priesthood restriction with general membership. In fact, the Mormons have never had segregated white/black congregations like many Christian churches still do today! Other Churches like the Southern Baptist Convention were established based on their desire to maintain slavery!
Please watch my video "Racist" Mormons to better understand this issue. Your knowledge is severely lacking.
@DefendingMormonism You still piss me off for funding prop 8, the most disgusting thing any religion has done, made a law, against marriage, get ur ass outa the government and i would be fine, because you would be keeping your beliefs to your selfs, and i do belive ur religion is horrid from what ive seen
.. We all are sons and Daughters of heavenly Father. He gave his gospel for us to be united whatever race we may be. He did not gave his gospel for us to fight and argue about it . If you Truly understand the word of God in the scripture, you might understand my point is.. I Belong To The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints also,, And I believe that this video is posted not to destroy others beliefs, it's Posted to Inspire... I love you all...
@carrotkidzz You know what is interesting about your statement, you're right that the gospel is ultimately meant to unite us. The thing I have found is, it is seperate from a physical church. The true Gospel of Jesus Christ is to believe in Him and His Righteousness and Perfect, Finished, Work and that He died for you, in return He frees you from the law and you are allowed to love God by loving those around you. Yet today you have every religion in the book saying you have to believe (cont)
@carrotkidzz (cont) believe and you must belong to them to be saved. Jesus taught in John 4:24 that God is a Spirit and wants to be worshipped in spirit. And Paul taught in Romans 2 that a Jew (or to say a child of God) is someone that worships God inwardly seeking praise from Him alone and not of man, so what are we doing??? Why must we divide one another and take away glory from each other if we don't believe the way our church teaches? Do we not realize God will have mercy on whom He will?
DNA DNA DNA DNA how is it that the "Elders" that came to my door wanted me to listen to their pitch but were unwilling to watch my video on the DNA study done on Native Americans proving that they are not descended from the Hebrews?
I find it amusing how giddy people get over that silly DNA research that is so biased, so faulty and so obtuse as to be laughable at best. Deceptive, yes, but only convincing to those who were already looking for an excuse to leave the church, an excuse to live a more selfish life. Sounds harsh, but this is nothing compared to the bluntness that Jesus Christ himself will speak to those who wasted away their lives attempting to destroy God's church.
@DefendingMormonism you ought to be giddy about the bible,,,do you know that the mormon church was actually using the name of lucifer for decades in their temple rights and didnt even know what it meant? why because they got their teachings fr freemasonry,,,I dare you do get a book on free masonry and read ab the degrees youll see that mormonism is heresy mixed w whitchcraft,,,pentagrams all over the temples too,,,flee that place pay lay ale = lucifer
@candiceevans1 Conspiracy theories and faulty arguments based on tenuous connections between Mormonsim and Masonry = FAIL. Sure, there's truth in Masonry, and some of that truth was likely passed down for hundreds of years. However, in absolutely ZERO of Masonic rites is JESUS CHRIST mentioned or the Plan of Salvation based on his life, teachings and sacrifice. On the other hand, Mormonism is based solely on JESUS CHRIST and his gospel, ordinances and atonement. Case closed.
@DefendingMormonism So i recently been doing tons of research about Mormonism and masonry. I was formally a member of the church. The way I see it, you will never know the truth if you are not willing to look at both side in great depth. Look at what people are saying about the church and find out why they are saying it. There is usually a reason and some fact behind it. We aren't trying to attack the mormons cuz we hate them. We are here to just spread the truth. Don't be biased.
Ahhh bs i thought i was first fk achool internet
odst178 3 days ago
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odst178 3 days ago
This is not a Christian religion.
jbiddleston 1 week ago
Why aren't there any Cross's in any of the Temples, only Masonic symbols ? I was told after attending a meeting,(because it surley didn't seem like a church service) at a local Ward, that there are none because they worship the life of Christ, not his death ! Hello ! Isn't Christ's death and shedding of his blood for our sins the whole reason for it all ? There is only 1 God, 1 Jesus and 1 Heaven. No Planets for those who acheive Godlyness. I'm trying not to be negitive but Mormanism is wrong.
scubadude72060 2 weeks ago
@scubadude72060 We do not worship his death nor use crosses because it is symbolic of a good thing and a bad thing. We want to focus mainly on what's good about it. Yes, we do mourn over the death of Christ, but we also want to focus on the good side too, which is why we don't use a cross.
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I'M A FORMER Mormon missionary, and apologist (defender of the Church against anti-Mormon attacks). I wrote a book defending the Church ("The Gainsayers"). The evidence is 100% against the Church being true.I left in '96. I am now a Daheshist, a follower of Dr. Dahesh (1912-1984), the miracle-working prophet of Lebanon. He raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, etc. For further info on Doctor Dahesh and His Teachings email me: darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT com
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"Years ago a child was born in an obscure village to poor parents residing in a dwelling they did not own but one that was made available to them through the kindness of others. The child grew to be an extraordinary individual and though he died before his 40th birthday, he transformed the society and world in which he lived.
“Dec. 23 will mark the 207th anniversary of the birth of Joseph Smith Jr., the prophet of the Restoration.”
Christmas message from the Deseret News (Mormon Church)
Amhlair 3 weeks ago
Good things come from Christ. And if it is not good... it is not from Christ. Simple as that. Hateful and contentious comments under the guise of caring about another's soul are clearly not from Christ. A church that teaches, preaches and strives to live as Jesus Christ clearly stands for Christ, for no man can serve two masters. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Curious about what mormons REALLY believe? Sit down and talk to missionaries in your area. 1 (801) 422-2602.
natalierose61 1 month ago
ALL THESE TEMPLES BUILT FOR SATAN WILL BURN AND FALL WITH ALL THOSE WHOM HAVE BELIEVED SATAN'S LIES THROUGH LIARS LIKE JOSEPH SMITH MAY THE GOD OF HEAVEN HAVE MERCY ON THEIR SOULS...
CASTANEDA83 1 month ago
@STRYPEROCKS777 I'm not saying that there is no God, nor am I saying that I am wise. You should read before you argue and reason before you type. You arent even making a ghost of a point.
MrEstarmes 1 month ago
@STRYPEROCKS777 I have studied the prophecies and they did not impress me at al. If anything, it looked like a screenplay for comedy central. Besides, if the rapture is going to happen I will be happy living on earth with my friends and family. I do, however, think that all the believers in this nonsense will be in for ''The- second- Great Disappointment''. You have no evidence and you being pious is of no help to your credibility.
MrEstarmes 1 month ago
@STRYPEROCKS777 ''I could make up some story about an encounter I had+write a "religious book" about it too!'' Like the Bible?
MrEstarmes 1 month ago
listen to what your saying.... do u have God in you?... if you do.. follow God's command and do not judge.. respect other people's belief... this is to those haters who spend their time destroying other people's faiths.. its our faith, our testimony, our choice... its us who will enjoy or suffer as you say the consequences... live your own life...
cinderella1209 1 month ago
LDS = Lies Designed to Stumble. I should know: I was one.
raygunner 1 month ago
THEY ARE NOT SAINTS.
skinnypuppy81 1 month ago
This book, “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?”, knocks it out of the park. The truth about Romney and the Mormon Church is both shocking and informative. Book is well documented and completely necessary for all to read both from a political prospective and also to save our families from the cult of Mormonism. I hope the author stays safe. THIS BOOK ALSO EXPOSES MITT’S FLIP FLOP RECORD!
certainlytruthful 1 month ago
I love listening to the apostles and the resounding truth that comes with it and the Holy Ghost
Chrysanthemum105 2 months ago 2
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My final quote for the time
No one is knowingly decieved, but too often they recognize the deception when it is too late.
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Read first hand what the author of this book went through in the secret Mormon Temple Ceremonies in this book:
The book: CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus the Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America.
You owe it to your country to inform yourself with the truth before going to the voting booth. There is too much at stake!
certainlytruthful 2 months ago
mormons are being fooled b the devil
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paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
I bear mine own witness also that Mormons have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge, for they seek perfection through there own efforts and have not submitted themselves to the Righteousness of God. For Moses brought forth the righteousness which was of the law and that man is righteous by abiding by it, but the righteousness of Faith comes from a True Witness from the Holy Spirit that Jesus is your Salvation and your Righteousness, HE IS LORD!
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 Whenever you feel ready to know the truth, just ask me. You have yet to join His church, and the restoration of His church is completely biblical.
lds.org
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I want people to experience a life of liberty, knowing salvation is assured through your faith, and not a constant measuring of whether or not you are doing all you can so that you might receive grace in the end. The gospel really is a rest from our labor, it is coming to a place in Christ where the righteousness has been fulfilled. It is relying upon Him completely for Salvation.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 We rely on him completely actually more than a hypocrit like an evangelical. Jesus Christ spoke often of hypocrits, and evangelicals meet this requirement. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I believe God described them completely by "having a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."
Find the true Jesus Christ of the bible, because he is the same Jesus from the BoM.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Kind of sad you blocked me from sending a message to you... For a man that is concerned with following Truth, I cannot see why you would filter information. If you truly had faith in Christ, you would not fear any infomation in the world, because you would realize He would not let you fall. It would either cement you further int he Truth you already have, or it would give you new truth that you had not previously known. Either way you are better off. May God's will be done
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 Please don't try feigning that you have the truth, because you do not. Your evangelical friends and you are not born again, and you have not entered at the straight gate which leads to life, and you have not built your foundation on a rock. Matt 7.
Defending Mormonism is correct, and I stand with Jesus chrst , the true one, and he visited the ancient inhabitants of meso america.
lds.org for the truth
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You say I have not built my foundation upon a rock, when the very rock I have built my faith upon is Christ alone. The difference is I believe God when He says He will save me if I believe in His Son and hold onto that until the last day as justification. You believe that faith is not enough... that you must do works worthy to receive Grace. You believe you must be worthy to receive blessings by your own righteousness. I believe I am made worthy through Christ Alone.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 Mormon Apologetic Scholarship and Evangelical Neglect:
Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?
Carl Mosser and Paul Owen
1997 Evangelical Theological Society Far West Annual Meeting
April 25, 1997
Please don't try feigning that you have the truth, because you do not. Your evangelical friends and you are not born again, and you have not entered at the straight gate which leads to life, and you have not built your foundation on a rock. Matt 7.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I will read it and hope you will talk about it later...
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Just read the article... very inciteful, but I found it interesting that many of the works (Nag Hammadi Scrolls, book of Enoch, Gospel of Phillip, etc) have information pulled from them that does support Mormon theology, but have you read the books yourself? I have, and yes there are some interesting things in them, but then you read along and blasphemy is staring you right in the face. So if I cannot trust the book as a whole, why would I even take parts from it?
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 For example, in the book of enoch angels come down from heaven and impregnate women and create Giants, which is a spinoff of the Genesis 6 account. Genesis 6 says that man became corrupt not angels. So which would you believe? There is all sorts of that kind of stuff in the Book of Enoch, yet there are interesting ideas also. But if the book does not speak to me of truth as a whole, I cannot trust it is from God.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 The Book of Enoch is quoted by Peter in the New Testament. It does also talk about the three degrees of glory as is also LDS doctrine. I own a copy of it in english translation, and have listened to it read on youtube as i followed along. You need to open your eyes.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 The account of Adam and Eve is quoted by many also, but which account are they talking of? I go by the Genisis account not others that have been banned or rewritten. Just because we have a "Book of Enoch" does not mean it was the one Peter was quoting. It could be a spinoff of the original Book of Enoch. It has Gnostisism written all over it. Just go to a gnostic website and look at their beliefs and you will feel right at home with the Book of Enoch.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 The point I am trying to make is that the Gospel is not complex, it is simple. 1 Corinthians 1:17-31. The Greeks desired more, and to the Jews He is a stumblingblock, either way they were both wrong and missed the point.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
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@paulbunyan2435 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was made flesh.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
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@paulbunyan2435 If you truly believe that God told you to preach the true Gospel of King Jesus, I suggest you get to it. Trying to dismantle or discredit the Mormon church is not likely to bring anyone to Christ; I've tried to explain this to my many evangelical friends over the years. It is an exclusionary "attack" strategy and not indicative of the love, patience, and understanding taught by the very Jesus you profess. It will only put Mormons in a defensive posture.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 My LDS friend, I believe God calls those out of all religions to reach those very people that they were part of. I want nothing more than for my mormon brothers and sisters to have a personal relationship with Christ, and to experience what a change His Spirit can bring into their lives. I want people to experience doing things out of love rather than doing things because they believe God wants them to do it, so they make themselves do it.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 Well thanks for caring. There is NO better place than in the church of Jesus Christ that Christ restored, endowed with the power of the priesthood of God to feel the spirit of God, and to walk in his light.
Evangelicals do not know the God of Abraham, nor Jacob, nor Israel, and they do not follow the bible in its completeness.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
My LDS friends, please come to the throne of mercy which is in Christ Jesus, and be given the assurance of Salvation in Him, that you might be made spotless in the Blood of The Lamb and be presented perfect before the Father, and that your burden might be lifted and you might have rest in His Son, and assurance that you are His. For Salvation truly is a gift and not something we work for or earn, it is something that God gives to us when we come to a point where we rely upon Him alone.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
Please my LDS friends, read Galatians and Acts 15 and pray that the Lord might open up your mind to understand His Grace. For if I become more perfect through ordinances and temple work, then Christ died in vain. For if I have died in Him and been made perfect in Him, how can I become more perfect? I will not frustrate the Grace of Christ (Galatians 2:21).
Also, Romans 11:6, the blessings of Christ come from Grace alone, not a combination of Grace and works of the law, they are seperate.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
Worthless, laughable rituals. A shameful waste of time and talent and fortune.
While MORmONS do rituals, I do REAL good.
Meant for gullibles, ALL religions are man-made myth, fairytales and superstition with ridiculous, sometimes cruel and sick rituals.
robertgift 3 months ago
I was thinking about converting to Mormonism because I really like the idea of becoming a God myself and being able to own my own personal planet where I get to have human subjects that I rule over.
Just kidding. That is ridiculous! Did anyone know that the Freemasons teach the same thing?
musicman4283 3 months ago
@musicman4283 you just sound like a lunatic now....I honestly feel sorry for you at this point.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@musicman4283 Hahahahaha....dude it's like taking candy from a baby dealing with you....any credibility you had you just lost by throwing your toys out of the crib. I told you you should probably just stop.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@musicman4283 That's awesome, I would really like to know where and where not to spend my money, if all bigots were as transparent as you then it would make it much more easy. As far as the handshakes and all that jazz, you can look all that up on Youtube. A Freemason isn't going to be upset because a non Mason knows, only if a Mason gives away the secret. You sound like a happy enough person, to truly enjoy life and to know everything that needs to be known, so that's awesome!
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini That's the funny part, Masons are the ones who taught me. I know several Masons and ex-Masons. You may not know this, but there are active traitors within the lodge working to reveal the true "secret" of Masonry. There are many people who believe that Freemasons are the literal "Army of Satan" and that kind of makes sense when you consider that Masons worship Lucifer.
musicman4283 3 months ago
@musicman4283 Sorry it took so long to reply there guy,,,,It was virgin sacrafice night down the lodge, c'mon get serious pal, alot of people thought the earth was flat too, it didn't make it true either. The most wonderful part of the matter is there is no such things as a secret in the end, that's just humanity, for a secret is only as good as the person who takes an oath to uphold it, that's all. In the end it is only personal conviction that matters.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini It is a logical fallacy to compare something that can be scientifically disproven (is Earth flat?) to something theological unprovable (does God exist?). You are attempting to generate the feeling of doubt among those who would already have a hesitant attitude about Masons. i.e. give an exaggerated response that they wouldn't believe and, in most people, that causes them to discount any recent negative things that may have heard. The lodge teaches this method of information control.
musicman4283 3 months ago
@musicman4283 I think common sense discounts things that you may have heard. It is illogical to say masons are puppets of international bankers and they worship Lucifer in universal terms. I know that i am neither a puppet of international bankers or that I worship Satan, so when arguing a point that encompasses all of a group and can be dis proven by any member of said group it is kind of pointless. You were making inflammatory statements which you haven't proven. Here-say really dude?
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini I should elaborate upon a previous comment of mine. "...and you don't even know it until it is too late to quit!" In effect, my argument does not encompass EVERY member of your group, just the ones who have reached the higher degrees. That you personally don't worship Lucifer or are a puppet of int'l bankers doesn't prove my point as wrong. It only proves that you have not reached the degree to which you would be exposed to worship of Lucifer or int'l puppetry.
musicman4283 3 months ago
@musicman4283 well we will have to agree to disagree then. I am sure that you feel that you are correct in your assertions as I feel that you are not. I am certainly glad that we live in an age where we can disagree. Good luck to you my friend, and I am quite sure that you will become very famous if you can prove that you are right.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini Being famous is not my objective. Your comment saying "Good luck to you my friend" is not only insincere but also insulting. I am no friend of a practicing Mason. You and your brethren of Satan simply try to act nonchalant and friendly when faced with outright opposition so as to confuse uninitiated people about your true motives... kinda like how Satan would trick Eve into eating the tasty fruit that couldn't possible cause harm and then she saw what it really was. You are deceitful.
musicman4283 3 months ago
@musicman4283 Well that is unfortunate. You presume to think for me and in my experience that is the sign of a person who has not learned the art of conversation. You have provided no evidence that could be considered opposition other than your opinion. Your opinion is not fact or anything that proves your point. I don't know or care what your beliefs are, I presume that you are a Christian of some sort so I would suggest that you act as one. They stopped doing Witch hunts 100 years ago.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini I think i have proven that I can converse quite well. Just as my opinion is not fact and doesn't prove anything, the same would apply to your opinion, of which hasn't proved anything either. So what is your point? Do you expect me to provide some amazing proof and settle the centuries old argument of who the Masons are right here on YouTube? I don't think I ever set out to do that nor do I think that a convincing argument could be presented in the small comments we are allowed to post.
musicman4283 3 months ago
@musicman4283 and exactly what is it that I have tried to prove? Nothing. I don't have to prove anything because I never made any assertions. It would seem that you have proven one thing, howver, that you can't back up you assertions. This is America, the last time I checked I don't have to prove my innocence, you have to prove my guilt or your assertion of my guilt by association. Although I encourage you to keep going as your agruements are like shifting sand in an earthquake.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini Furthermore, you say that my "arguments are like shifting sand" as if I have changed my position or modified my original opinion that Freemasons are evil. Since you are self-proclaiming to be such a eloquent debater and logical mastermind, would you please elaborate and let me know exactly what my argument was and how it has shifted like the sand?
musicman4283 3 months ago
The guy speaking in this videos sounds completely scripted a insincere.
I remember when I first heard the tenets of Mormonism. It only took about 5 seconds to realize that Joseph Smith was a fraud, liar and a thief. I can't believe that ANYONE would willingly go along with this cult. As far as how they recruit and, more importantly, retain membership, Mormons are very similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both are a bunch of idiots in my opinion. Freemasons too.
musicman4283 3 months ago
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Mitt Romney believes he will become a “god” in the next life and be given his own planet to Lord over. He will call his wife, Ann, into it to populate his planet with spirit children. Would you vote for a man who believes he is going to become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land?
Get The book: “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”.
certainlytruthful 3 months ago
what a cult
jayhawk88z 3 months ago
@jayhawk88z Pastor Jeffress has a YouTube account!
DefendingMormonism 2 months ago 2
@jayhawk88z How do you figure?
Chrysanthemum105 2 months ago
only one God. I am sorry you do not believe in Jesus Christ because I testify that he is a God. And if my math is correct that makes..........2. Your theory just went out the window. The scriptures clearly say Gods. Peter spoke of the restoration of all things in the latter days. Joseph smith is the Prophet of the Restoration. Paul spoke of the dispensaton of the fullness of times. that is now and the forces of evil are fighting this work but will not succeed.
MrFitzwilly 3 months ago
@MrFitzwilly I am not a member of the LDS church but don't understand where it says in the Book of Mormon that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are not the same person. I can only find reference in 3 Nephi that the Trinity exsists. 3 Nephi 11:27 27 And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for
behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and
the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in
me, and the Father and I are one.
Cruthini 3 months ago
I will say that as a Freemason, I am not pleased with the video of the ceremonies that I have seen on youtube in regard to Temple rituals and the similarities between them and Freemasonry. I will say the apple didn't fall far from the tree and from what I have read these rituals where instituted within weeks of J.S. becoming a Freemason. They are not completely the same but close enough that I would assert that J.S. wasn't very good at keeping his Masonic obligation in the very least.
Cruthini 3 months ago
@Cruthini The connection between Masonry and Mormonism is tenuous at best. Bottom line: Masonry has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Mormonism has everything to do with Jesus Christ. Enough said.
DefendingMormonism 2 months ago 2
Bednar is a false messenger. He is corrupt just like LDS inc is . Bednar once said that the LDS church is not an inc company . See my main video .
999LDS 4 months ago
Jeremiah 14 14 ; The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
999LDS 4 months ago
Why do you think we worship Joseph smith? He is a prophet who restored our church, not our god. We believe and worship god and Jesus. We also use the bible alot more and not just the book of Mormon. I am13 and am living clean and I'm proud to be a Mormon. We do think Joseph smith is a great man but not a god.
MrMrBobster 4 months ago 4
@MrMrBobster Ironic that all those accusing Mormons of being "crazy" are themselves living in a fairytale land where they believe and spread all manner of lies.
DefendingMormonism 2 months ago
@MrMrBobster you worship god and Jesus? are those two seperate people?
blackheartsbirth 2 months ago
@blackheartsbirth see Acts 7:55-56. God is plural, and not singular. the trinity is false.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You never gave me your interpretation of the Ether 3:14 scripture. To me that was an eye opener when I read it along with the Mosiah 15 passage as well as many others. Then I noticed time and time again in the Book of Mormon where things didn't make sense compared to the later recorded "first vision" account. Either way I would like to know your opinion. Thanks.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 I can see what you mean by the verse in Ether, and It's true statement. Because of the all the things Christ did for us, he inheritantly is adopting us as our Father. I still point out that there is two bodies celestial that make up the Godhead, and only the third member remains a spirit for the time being.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You know that cannot work... This is where you have to decide what you believe... Jesus Himself taught. in John 20:17 as just one example, because there are others... I ascend unto my Father and your Father, My God and your God.... Please just pray to God to show you the Truth, then be willing to follow it wherever it takes you. There are warning signs in the church, most people just write them off and determine its just because they don't have an understanding yet.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 I have a perfect understanding already, and I have asked the LORD for the truth already, and I know it doesn't involve having my hands in the air, and rolling on the floor like a possessed fool. Your experience in the evangelical church is a false one, and not of God.
The trinity is false, and not biblical. John 20:17 is a great example too. It was a Greek idea and not from the Hebrew apostles. thank you.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I can see that you have no desire to openly discuss. You obviously do not understand my faith, nor my position on the nature of God. If you choose to ignore the evidence and add to the written Word, the Lord will prove you a liar in the last day (prov. 30:4-6). We have to have something to "test the spirits" by and that is the Bible. If you choose new revelation and reject the old, God will have the final say. I pray for you my brother, and want you to "know" God personally.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I have read articles you asked me to, I have watched videos that I might better understand where you are coming from... yet I fear it is fruitless. I would just ask you to read the Bible with an open mind, and just read what it says. The Truth of it will manifest itself unto you and you won't need to pray about it. Get an unedited KJV so that you are not influenced with others ideas. Question God with boldness and a sincere heart, and He will answer you.
paulbunyan2435 2 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 thanks for expressing your concern.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
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@blackheartsbirth Then why did Jesus claim to be god as well as the holy spirt at the same time? You think jesus was liar?
blackheartsbirth 2 months ago
@MrMrBobster So you believe that Joseph smith was not a good enough person to attain the godhood his church offers? If so, what sins are you claiming he committed?
WoobaOne 2 months ago
So, the Word of God says: " Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you"- Dueteronomy 4:2 If you all believe in the WORD OF GOD than why not follow HIS commands? Is HIS word not good enough or ENOUGH for you to live by that you rely on a man named Joseph? It's a contratidiction. I'm sorry but I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that the mormon church is based on the bible much less on God!!
iROlLWiTCHriSt 4 months ago
@iROlLWiTCHriSt But you also think you will become a God. The Bible clearly says there is only 1 God, none before and none after.
999LDS 4 months ago
@999LDS Where did you ge that idea? In no part of what I said did I mention me thinking I'd become a God. I believe that the Word of God was created for a great purpose which is clearly stated in the bibile, it was made so that we can live according to it, & just as I pointed out Dueteronomy 4:2 which says to follow His commands, we are to do just that. By you guys following the words of a man such as Joseph, you're already being disobedient to God.
iROlLWiTCHriSt 3 months ago
Err anyone who is saying there are pentagrams all over the place in an L.D.S. temple, hasn't been in one. I am no longer a member fo the L.D.S. church: to many questions which can not be answered, and a lack of witness from the holy ghost, but lying, is lying, wrong is wrong, and false attacks on anyone is not christian in character.
wotmot223 4 months ago
lol... what a pagan religion founded by a wacko ignorant fool named Joseph the "Drunken" Smith! hahahaha.... This is how Mohammed also got his false massage from a masqueraded Satan as a messenger angel of God!
LALOMAN18 4 months ago
@LALOMAN18 gee you must have used all three of your braincells to come up with that one. *arf*
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
To anyone within the sound of my voice, Please just pray to God that you might see and understand Truth, and tell Him that you will go wherever it takes you. Lean not on man for understanding, but become as a little child and learn from Him, read His words and read the words of those that saw and touched Him! Christ rent the veil in two! In the temple a high priest was the only one that had access past the veil, but we now have direct access to God through Christ and He speaks through His Word!
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
@paulbunyan2435 Thanks for your sincerity and earnestness. I, along with other Mormons, have discovered Christ in the doctrines of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Know that I have an abiding faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and that it is only through Him that I can overcome sin and death. God bless.
DefendingMormonism 2 months ago
I think the hardest thing to listen to is the absolute sincerety coming from Bednar. I know he genuinely believes what he is teaching, but it doesn't mean that it is true.
Study how a temple was built and then read the book of Hebrews, especially chapters 8-10. All a temple was, was a "shadow or type" for Christ when He would come and offer the perfect sacrifice as our High Priest forever.
Does God need a temple to reside in..? Heaven is my throne earth is my footstool....Acts 7:48-49
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
I have found that the problem with a religion that teaches you must be obedient to works of the law is this:
It breads a false sense of security to those that belong to it. You rely less upon Christ and rely more upon what you are doing as a gauge to your standing before God. You also might start to look at the people around you and judge them because they aren't living up to the law by your standards, which is wrong because we are all guilty before God.
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
Do we not realize that if you are hired by the Lord, no matter what the hour, we all receive the SAME reward?(Matthew 20) Yes their are many mansions, because many of us will be there, but their is not differing degrees of salvation. You either inherit the Kingdom or you don't. It is that simple. So how do we get to heaven, believe in the Son whom was sent by the Father, and CLING to Him for all Truth! Understand that Heaven is a Gift from God not something we earn or deserve.(Romans 4)
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
i believe we all believe in the same thing and no one is more righteous than the other but the one thing you say in the beginning of this video is when you take this sacrament you look to the temple when you are being baptized you look to the temple with all do respect it is not a temple you should be looking to it is the father almighty above the ruler of our people the creator of all life and miracles that behold us that you should look too its simply saddens me to hear those words
alleybair 4 months ago 4
@alleybair You have misunderstood the overall message of this Apostle of Jesus Christ.
Watch the entire video. Everything Mormons do leads to God the Father and his son Jesus Christ. Mormons attend the Temple to learn about God and his Plan of Salvation made possible because of Jesus Christ. Mormons make covenants (promises) with God through temple ordinances. Mormons promise to worship God and remain faithful to him.
DefendingMormonism 3 months ago
JESUS CHRIST IS WAY TRUTH LIFE ONE WHO GIVING ETERNAL LIFE BY MERCY GRACE not by work to gain entrence in HEAVEN GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST NEW TESTAMENT IS MESSAGE OF SALVATION BY GRACE OF HOLY ETERNAL GOD FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT not to bild stone temples sacrament working for salvation is corruption lie that satan is planted in Churches EVRY NEW BORN CHRISTIAN IS TEMPLE OF LIVING GOD FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT PEOPLE WHO ARE SEALED WITH HOLY SPIRIT FOR ETERNAL LIFE BY GRACE not by work
mRwhite298 4 months ago
false prophet Jopseph Smith
mRwhite298 4 months ago
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ab330 4 months ago
Church Public Affairs managing director Mike Otterson challenges those who use the word "cult" to categorize (and marginalize) members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:
omiolo 5 months ago
"Few journalists use the term themselves, of course, as an adjective of choice. The usual method is to apportion the blame for the use of this highly pejorative label to 'many evangelicals' or 'some Christians' as a means of explaining how these groups might choose to vote, and to point out what a liability this is for any Latter-day Saint candidate."
omiolo 5 months ago
BTW I don't deny mormons are friendly, caring, sincere and honorable people, they are...almost all of them. Doesn't mean they haven't elevated their doctrine over the true and only holy scripture, the King James Bible. They have. It's painfully obvious. I still like mormons as neighbors, just beware the brainwashing via 'other' holy writings...by a polygamist who found gold plates in up state NY? then they magically disappear after he reads them with special heavenly goggles? REDICULOUS
woofielove1970 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon [Hardcover]
Joseph Lovell ; Allen, Blake Joseph Allen (Author)
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 The White God Quetzalcoatl
By Joseph Allen.... taken from his book "Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon"
And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them.... (3 Nephi 11:8)
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
i wonder why the 'book of moron' was re-issued...is it because it was originally a racist document? yep. look into it. and BTW, the pentagram and bull head signify BAAL....so as far as I can see, your 'church' (lol) has pentagrams and bull heads, not mine.
woofielove1970 5 months ago
Mor(m)ons are NOT Christians
woofielove1970 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 <---- Is a liar
Mormons are the epitomy of Christian.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 to all....search "Mormonism Exposed", there are 3 parts. My church doesn't have upside down pentagrams or bull heads on the walls. My church doesn't have a whit Jesus that looks like Charlton Heston. My church doesn't have a secretive hierarchy. You can slap wheels on a boat and drive it down the road but that doesn't make it a car. MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. they have a whole different gospel. do some research, you'll find that out in 10 minutes.
woofielove1970 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 "the book of moron is a volume of holy scripture" ....... poeple, this is all you need to know about mormons ...beware, they place their own teachings ABOVE the bible ...same as the jews did. Search "Mormonism Exposed" in 3 parts.....very easy to dismantle their false ideology.
woofielove1970 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 Evangelicals are living a lie, and NOT born again, and under a false sense of security, and built their foundations on the sand like the fool.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I agree with you there. They also, like mormons, have elevated their own teachings over those of the Bible. I believe Mormons are excellent citizens, kind, thoughtful, hardworking...everything a CHristian should be. The stumbling blocks, and there are many, that they encounter is the 'works' doctrine with is in direct contradition to Ephesians 2:8-9. But you will not believe me, the only true revalation of God, the KJV BIble, says so. Any other book is NOT of God but men. Shame.
woofielove1970 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 Psalm 85:10-11
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
another revelation showing the BoM is true, and you got nothing
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@woofielove1970 Mormons are the epitomy of Christian.
Your false faith without the biblical Jesus Christ bears the mark of the beast on your churches.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 <------------ BRAINWASHED
woofielove1970 5 months ago
Very well said and conveyed!
Unfortunate that it is all fairytale.
robertgift 5 months ago
Is it just me or do I hear Canon In D playing in the background?
njjenson 5 months ago
Act chap 17 .v 22: Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23: For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24: God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
tlotmb77 5 months ago
Acts chap 7 v. 48: Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49: Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50: Hath not my hand made all these things?
51: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
tlotmb77 5 months ago
@tlotmb77 Paul is saying that temples need to be made by inspiration from God, not from men. These people are "resisting the Holy Ghost".
ConanTheJust 4 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime asks "where in scripture is proof of such [sic] temple?" Just do a simple search of the word "temple" and it'll pull up many references to temples in ancient times.
DrTerminus 5 months ago
It's not SECRET.....it's SACRED....<3....thanks for posting this great video......love it<3!
TahaPoteki 5 months ago 2
All this nice talk sure seems irrelevant the first time you go through the temple. When holy covenants become secret handshakes and top-secret passwords with threats if you tell anyone about them (not so harsh now as they used to be), that feeling of peace they like to talk about quickly becomes a feeling of uneasiness and dread. There's a reason they don't talk about it outside of it. Holy symbolism, my foot! My wife was terrified coming out of there after being yelled at by Satan!
etchkid 5 months ago
That's boring. I would go to the church that borat went to where all the people where running around and chanting that would make going to church fun
GoneHunting12345 5 months ago
He lost me at "The prophet Joseph Smith..."
cherylsalo 5 months ago
and further more mormons are the only ones that get emotionally charged and start to cry when people like me comment about the false teachings of the mormons...read Isaiah 40-45 and read who God really says about himself. but I know as well as you do you will not because it is not from the bom.
MrBigbear6718 5 months ago
are you kidding me, no mormon will reveal his or her oath and what goes on really in the temple. I also know your officials of the temple show videos about how Christian teachers and preachers are sold out to the devil. now my comment is this...you claim everyone on here says anti mormon comments, well I cannot see anything more anti than a mormon talking about real Christianity.
MrBigbear6718 5 months ago
You will at least gain some perspective. It seems to me that you have all your life been hearing things about Mormons from people or places that have no idea about us or what we truly believe. Ask us. Question our beliefs but wait for an answer instead of running from it. Please. Please listen. I WANT to help you. I'm not just spouting off here. Just don't assume. Find reality.
notmymom9 6 months ago
I find it interesting that people don't respond to my comments. They come here, lay there opinions on Mormonism, then leave. Usually anti-Mormon opinions. I have my patriarchal blessing and I am below the standard age. These 4 sheets of paper have spoken to my heart more than a lot of things. I have decided to go on two missions in my life, 1 when I'm 21, 1 with my husband. I live in peace with everyone. I have faith. So much faith, and love for all of you. I hope and pray each day that all of
notmymom9 6 months ago
Whats the retail for a name in good standing? Other than intellectual integrity, my blind obedience, my first born and each thereafter.
With an extra 10% of my take home on top of regular tithing can my Buddhist wife and kids retain some small sliver of their beautiful cultural identities and heritage with the understanding that well baptize them posthumously? Can I reduce that to 5% if we still pay hefty lip-service? and how far up in heaven can they get being mostly white but in no way black?
tigerbloodrock 6 months ago
@MrBigbear6718 You are wrong in ur believe that ''mormonism has no options like that''. Anyone can receive personal revelations and before talking you should go and really get informed about what you are on about. How can you have understanding when you are looking at a small spot in a very large picture? There are no secrets, only Sacred things. Maybe you should walk some steps back and really try and learn more and then you might understand.
faith77C 6 months ago
The house (temple) of GOD = Jesus is my heart! That's it.
actico 6 months ago
and... the difference between mormonism and Christianity is that Christianity has no secrets in their services. everyone can go to meet with God any one can talk to God and hear him. mormonism has no options like that, they pray but does their god hear them? the mormon faith with the temple tries to emulate the Jews, yet the mormons do not believe in the same God structure as the Jews.
MrBigbear6718 6 months ago
also there is another strange thought I have. The lds people do not like to be called mormons, in fact am I not far off by saying that it is a slang word to the lds.
My question is this...if lds people do not want to be called mormons then why is one of your church news papers called "mormon times" or something like that.
MrBigbear6718 6 months ago
who reconstructed the stand off between Joe and the people shooting at him? I ll bet it was the church. if so that is a bias conclusion
what I find very strange and controversial is that the church is so shady and not forth right with its "secret rituals" In real Christianity there is no secrets
MrBigbear6718 6 months ago
@MrBigbear6718 "shady" and "secret rituals"? You are not to informed are you MrSmallcub6718. With the internet most information is on the internet now...even pictures inside some Tempels and what they are used for.
KMartin730 5 months ago
this guy wants to portray that the mormon faith is the only truth and marked with out controversy
Brigham young was involved with the mountain meadow massacre, and Joe Smith was a murderer (killed people while he was in prison).
So my question is this....if the worst sin in mormonism is murder where do you think, I think Joe is right now.
MrBigbear6718 6 months ago
@MrBigbear6718 Yes Joseph Smith fired the shots that eventually ended in their death, a few years after Joseph had died. These shots were fired in self defense before, he was shot and fell out a window to his death. If there were to be an autopsy I am fairly sure that cause of death could be determined as well as being able to reconstruct the scenario in which he died. Do keep in mind that there was a survivor of this mob attack. He did write about it and had in published.
Sparrow1347 6 months ago
@vendingdudes, Sad you have to make SO many excuses for your religion. I bet you money that you could tell me exactly where your "empire state building" is, couldn't you? it's not lost forever, or shall we say, was never even built? Before you think you have just came up with a witty comment, maybe you should read into that "religion" some before you come bawking back.
roxon1366 6 months ago
@roxon1366 In 1978 Ross T. Christensen carried out a partial excavation in Yemen, where the city of Nahom was discovered. The temples that were build there are consistent with a mush less extravagant and much smaller temple that resembled Hebrew temples in the time of the Nephites(about the 6th century BC). This is where the NHM comes from, once excavated fully and translated properly we should know the whole history of this artifact. This is the right place and time to be the Nephites' city.
Sparrow1347 6 months ago
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But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8 KJV)
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:9 KJV)
D3Mayhem 6 months ago
Paul, an apostle of the Lord, Jesus Christ, writing to the church of Galatia.
James 1:6-9 (King James Version)
"6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (Galatians 1:6 KJV)"
7 "Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ." (Galatians 1:7 KJV)"
8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ac
D3Mayhem 6 months ago
oh my gosh thats the d.c temple!!!
BaileyBelyeu 6 months ago
I love everyone.
You may spit upon us now, but in the future I desperately hope we all can come to love each other. You all are my brothers and sisters and you all made the choice to be righteous. I am 13 and I love all of you. I hope that someday you will respect us as we respect you
notmymom9 6 months ago
some people think we are a cult. But we only teach loving messages to one another. Yes, some of us do make mistakes. We are human. But look at the majority of our church from a new perspective. From the perspective of a new person with no opinion. And see us as we really are. We all have to potential to be back in heaven with our heavenly father and I believe that with more love and faith, we can all be righteous.
notmymom9 6 months ago
People. I do not understand. We have done nothing wrong. I think it is disrespectful the way you judge us but God gave you free agency. You have been given the opprtunity to make your own choices and i respect that. But we are human beings too. We have feelings, and hearts, and minds, and souls.
As I have loved you, love one another. This new commandment, love one another. By this shall man know, ye are my disciples. If ye hath loved, one to another.
Some people think we are a cult.
notmymom9 6 months ago
God's foreknowledge: This life shows who we are
By Orson Scott Card
Mormon Times
omiolo 6 months ago
of course the Mormons couldn't let the blacks in they didn't develop souls until 1976 everyone knows that just like god decided that polygamy was bad at the same time that the united states make it illigal
Matao270 6 months ago
@Matao270 about the same time the mormons all of a sudden have a divine revelation that they can drink coke
MrBigbear6718 6 months ago
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ConstantSurprises 6 months ago
@ConstantSurprises Blacks have always been allowed to be baptized into the Mormon church. You are confusing the Priesthood restriction with general membership. In fact, the Mormons have never had segregated white/black congregations like many Christian churches still do today! Other Churches like the Southern Baptist Convention were established based on their desire to maintain slavery!
Please watch my video "Racist" Mormons to better understand this issue. Your knowledge is severely lacking.
DefendingMormonism 6 months ago
@DefendingMormonism You still piss me off for funding prop 8, the most disgusting thing any religion has done, made a law, against marriage, get ur ass outa the government and i would be fine, because you would be keeping your beliefs to your selfs, and i do belive ur religion is horrid from what ive seen
onradcay 6 months ago
@DefendingMormonism liar, the sbc was never formed to maintain slavery
bronco98765 6 months ago
@ConstantSurprises - You know very little and must be racist then.
rockstarMileyCyrus 6 months ago
.. We all are sons and Daughters of heavenly Father. He gave his gospel for us to be united whatever race we may be. He did not gave his gospel for us to fight and argue about it . If you Truly understand the word of God in the scripture, you might understand my point is.. I Belong To The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints also,, And I believe that this video is posted not to destroy others beliefs, it's Posted to Inspire... I love you all...
carrotkidzz 6 months ago
@carrotkidzz You're absolutely right. Always better to be a peacemaker when it comes to religious discussion. Thanks for the example.
DefendingMormonism 6 months ago 5
@DefendingMormonism OK SO UR SAYING THAT SOME RANDOM DUDE SAW AN ANGEL AND WROTE A BOOK... U BELIEVE HIM WHY? WHYYYY
HOW DO U KNOW HE ISNT FULL OF CRAP!
Afro911Man 6 months ago
@DefendingMormonism
then bring the troops home now!
inachu 3 months ago
@carrotkidzz You know what is interesting about your statement, you're right that the gospel is ultimately meant to unite us. The thing I have found is, it is seperate from a physical church. The true Gospel of Jesus Christ is to believe in Him and His Righteousness and Perfect, Finished, Work and that He died for you, in return He frees you from the law and you are allowed to love God by loving those around you. Yet today you have every religion in the book saying you have to believe (cont)
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
@carrotkidzz (cont) believe and you must belong to them to be saved. Jesus taught in John 4:24 that God is a Spirit and wants to be worshipped in spirit. And Paul taught in Romans 2 that a Jew (or to say a child of God) is someone that worships God inwardly seeking praise from Him alone and not of man, so what are we doing??? Why must we divide one another and take away glory from each other if we don't believe the way our church teaches? Do we not realize God will have mercy on whom He will?
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
DNA DNA DNA DNA how is it that the "Elders" that came to my door wanted me to listen to their pitch but were unwilling to watch my video on the DNA study done on Native Americans proving that they are not descended from the Hebrews?
prokopto 6 months ago
@prokopto God vs DVD? I'll go with God.
I find it amusing how giddy people get over that silly DNA research that is so biased, so faulty and so obtuse as to be laughable at best. Deceptive, yes, but only convincing to those who were already looking for an excuse to leave the church, an excuse to live a more selfish life. Sounds harsh, but this is nothing compared to the bluntness that Jesus Christ himself will speak to those who wasted away their lives attempting to destroy God's church.
DefendingMormonism 6 months ago 5
@DefendingMormonism you ought to be giddy about the bible,,,do you know that the mormon church was actually using the name of lucifer for decades in their temple rights and didnt even know what it meant? why because they got their teachings fr freemasonry,,,I dare you do get a book on free masonry and read ab the degrees youll see that mormonism is heresy mixed w whitchcraft,,,pentagrams all over the temples too,,,flee that place pay lay ale = lucifer
candiceevans1 6 months ago 2
@candiceevans1 Conspiracy theories and faulty arguments based on tenuous connections between Mormonsim and Masonry = FAIL. Sure, there's truth in Masonry, and some of that truth was likely passed down for hundreds of years. However, in absolutely ZERO of Masonic rites is JESUS CHRIST mentioned or the Plan of Salvation based on his life, teachings and sacrifice. On the other hand, Mormonism is based solely on JESUS CHRIST and his gospel, ordinances and atonement. Case closed.
DefendingMormonism 6 months ago 4
@DefendingMormonism So i recently been doing tons of research about Mormonism and masonry. I was formally a member of the church. The way I see it, you will never know the truth if you are not willing to look at both side in great depth. Look at what people are saying about the church and find out why they are saying it. There is usually a reason and some fact behind it. We aren't trying to attack the mormons cuz we hate them. We are here to just spread the truth. Don't be biased.
snowbum121 5 months ago
@snowbum121 The reason I'm still in the church is because I've looked at both sides. Thanks anyway!
DefendingMormonism 2 months ago 2