I couldn't care less whether Jesus existed or not. He may have, its certainly possible. Its not important. What is important is that millions of people have been murdered for no good reason in the name of "religion", which has always done much more harm than good.
I don't know whether Jesus existed or not, but even if he did, he certainly was not the son of a god. There were many prophets at that time, the whole idea of Jesus could be simply a compilation of stories condensed into the belief that there was only one man who was supposed to have started the christian faith. It was eventually written down and became widely accepted as truth.
Jesus had mythical powers similar to the likes of Kronos. Or maybe a better comparison would be to Hades, Thor, or Odin. I'm really suprised at the sexism and that Gaia doesn't receive that much credit for being the goddess of people. Ra, Poseidon, and Zeus all could be based on people that actually lived. But know what? They're all myths because each and everyone lacks evidence. Jesus lacks evidence.
Actually you're very wrong. Many of those that wrote about Jesus would have gained favor by claiming that he was not real.
Christianity was a much later concept. Josephus wrote directly for the Romans... they would have gained tremendously by claiming that Jesus wasn't real. Yet it never happened.
You know .... you may actually have a point if all of those that recorded the life of Jesus were pro-Jesus (can't really call them Christian). Most did so when Christ was a threat to them.
Why not simply mock Christ as a false figurehead back then? Because He was real.
They're not still debating. This is a fairly new debate. We went 1800 years and no one questioned the historical Jesus. The evidence stood alone. Now all of the sudden there's a question? Why?
There's no new evidence against Jesus, Actually we keep getting more evidence for ...
@dex1391 Yes,yes of course it is...open your eyes. No one can disprove something to a person if he wants to believe in it. How can you disprove to me that pixies fairies and Hogwards doesn't exist? You can't can you? Even if there was a Jesus who's to say that he was a god in some sort of way?
Know it's THE 'SON' of GOD! And I tell you know whether you are dead or alive.....
You will see The SON of Man(Jesus) coming on the clouds of heaven in great power, glory and authority. And you and all your false demon gods will bow at his presence because his glory is to much for you to contain. And before he judge's you. You and the whole earth will know that JESUS IS GOD!!!
wow, i hope you feel really good about yourself for spreading lies of which you have no proof for. by the way, just because someone who lived during the same time as Jesus didnt mention Him in their writings, does not prove that Jesus didnt exist. think about it, is that really the proof that you offer! i dont know if i am 100% right about what i believe, but what i do know is, what i do believe, i dont try to convince anyone of. everyone has their opinion, it is not my place to say theyre wrong
@wallace3542 You utter fool.Have you even read the Bible? You idiot.In the bible it says EVERYWHERE that Jesus was famous for his raising the dead curing the ill and the blind yada-yada.And that being said how could a man that wrote about everything not know about Jesus Christ ? He got prosecuted by the Roman law and that hasn't been mentioned yet.
@wallace3542 "does not prove that Jesus didnt exist"
I full heartily agree, however, this video's intention is not to prove Jesus didn't exist, but to show that there is no proof that Jesus DID exist. Is it possible that Jesus existed? Sure, but that does not mean that it is PLAUSIBLE that Jesus existed. If you want to BELIEVE that Jesus existed then be my guest, but just because people BELIEVE something doesn't make it true or even likely. THAT was the point of the video, in my opinion.
@sarces4321 ASTROTHEOLOGY. What! ASTROTHEOLOGY! That stuff has as much substance as a paper towel roll. If you are following that garbage I would be surprised if you can tie your shoes. Let alone read. Which you would actually be better off. Go find the real God before you start talking about balls of gas in the sky.... You FOOL!
@Soul4JC unfortunately there are no original gospels they are all copies written by greeks.
The oldest Gospel is Thomas, which is actually written in Aramaic and strangely no one recognizes it. (Probably because there is no mention of the resurrection and its pages say there are things you have to learn to have an afterlife, not just "believe")
No, there is no actual evidence for the existence of Jesus, only the inspirational stories told in the Bible, which are at least partly fabricated. Similarly, King Arthur and Robin Hood are characters which may well have their basis, at least in part, on persons who actually lived, but the truth cannot be known about events from so long ago.
this conversation has just gotten ridiculous. Your un-scholarly comments, questions, and name calling need to stop. if you want to have a reasonable conversations, im all ears, but when name calling continues to the point where thats all your really doing, it just grows dull and un-interesting. i really dont like repeating myself, especially when you say the same thing RIGHT after i commented on it.
it is ironic that the men responsible for upholding religion are atheists themselves, and yet you religious folk slander us...we atheists are the only reason your religion still exists in the world, if we didn't interpret and preach that bibles word, twist and turn meanings, the common kid could read this bible and think it is bullshit and or horrid
and i don't want your bullshit answers i have heard them all before, there is only one obvious truth when it concerns the bible and the legitimacy of religion itself...and you have not provided the right answer or suggest that you have learned the right answer. so you are not fooling anyone with your Bullshit, people are laughing at you
If i were God, this world would not have evil in it...I would not use human beings as my play thing for entertainment, you create life you have to enjoy what you create regaurdless of what it does, that is the joy of creation...Destroying or punishing what you create makes no sense...and whatever happens with my creations i would take full responsibility, because i allowed it to happen...your god(made up version) does not like to take any responsibility
@MadMAn12gauge dude read my other comment. read the Bible, learn it, stop talking about things you dont know about. dude i asked the same questions as you, i looked for answers, i found them. so why do i have to give you the luxery of giving them to you. i EARNED my answers, earn yours if you want them. but you dont want them. God gave us free will, the will do deviate from His plan. God does not run this world, satan does. STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU DONT KNOW!!!
@marineboy090 you havnt earned any answers...you accept bullshit answers from people that should be telling you the right answer...the right answer is "i don't know"
if someone is telling you they know they are liars and full of shit...so stop being a dumbass for one day of your life and critically think religion for what it is...it is fabricated bullshit, if you wanna believe in a god that is fine, but don't be looking at religions as if they know something you dont
@MadMAn12gauge right, you know everything i do everyday right? dude, who are you to say anything to me about me? you know nothing aobut me, you dont even know my name, so why are you saying to ME that i havnt earned any answers? just because im not giving them to you? how bout you stop bashing, and start learning. if you cant understand the bible, and dont want to, then dont read it. simple as that. you dont understand it and dont want to, so then just dont.
@marineboy090 you have not earned your answers, you have earned only false interpretation by smooth tongue preachers...If you truely earned any answers from the bible it would be the understanding of what it was meant for and how it was put together...and it ultimately would change your opinion of the legitimacy of the book itself but not your opinion of religion doing good for the world because most preachers agree there and dont have any real faith themselves
@marineboy090 Your messed up dude. There is NO satan or evil. The question of GOD is still open as there is NO PROOF of his exsistance. Jesus is a mythical figure like mythra, horus and all the other messiahs that have been created by man.
Had you the ability to think rationally you would see how this is no different than believing in the easter bunny. WAKE UP its the 21 century witches arent real nor is jesus.
@marineboy090 Your messed up dude. There is NO satan or evil. The question of GOD is still open as there is NO PROOF of his exsistance. Jesus is a mythical figure like mythra, horus and all the other messiahs that have been created by man.
Had you the ability to think rationally you would see how this is no different than believing in the easter bunny. WAKE UP its the 21 century witches arent real nor is jesus.
#2 James 1:13 says that "..God cannot be tempted by evil..." and in Matther 4:1 the Bible says "Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil"
OMG!!! notice the word BE in there!! now would you like to try again and show me where he WAS tempted and gave in? its people like you that twists the Bible around and put it outa context that piss me off kuz you are all so stupid
@marineboy090 "God cannot be tempted by evil" well thats odd because what ever god does is what he decides as good and bad so he is immune to any judgement
god created evil and good so if he does evil it is because he is god and can do as he pleases as a totalitarian dictator with no opposition
@MadMAn12gauge sigh.. my advice to anyone who wants to dog and/or find "contradictions" in the bible is this READ THE FRIGGING BIBLE!
and as for your comment madman, God did not CREATE evil, he gave free will, wich was corrupted by satan. God is perfect, he cannot sin or he will be imperfect, so giving into satan (wich was God the Son, not Father) would make Jesus imperfect and therefore not be a perfect sacrifice for mankind... anything else?
@marineboy090 yeah your contradicting yourself...Who made satan moron, oh god did, evil would not exist if god never allowed it, god is impotent or does not exist...
he obviously does not want to fix the problem, thus he likes it how it is and of course god can't sin, because it is his rules he can break em as he pleases without opposition, who is going to oppose god? its his game his rules he can cheat if he wants because he is immune to his own judgement
@marineboy090 and either god can't predict the future, or this is how he wants it.
you have to use a little bit of logic here dude. yes god created evil because he has a plan for it, and since he has a plan for evil it makes him a sadist, if you create something and it does something you dont want it to do, you fix the problem or it will allways occur, obviously your god is impotent and helpless
I'm an atheist, ex Christian & someone deeply interested in mythology, folklore etc. I'm not so sure that it is automatically certain that there was no Jesus behind the Jesus cult. That doesn't bring the myths of the cult any closer to reality, but the myths don't make the man less probable. Myths will arise around any charismatic person...
I'm not saying he didn't exist, all I'm saying is that he was a person just like any of us, and he didn't rise after death... Yoooo, dead people don't get arisen - get that throught your thick skulls! :-)
Logically speaking, there is nothing about Jesus that explains the fact that, 20 centuries after His birth, He stands as thee most influential figure who ever existed in recorded human history. He never held a public office, he never ruled an empire, he never commanded an army, yet hundreds of millions have followed him over two millennia. Why?
Why, because humans are afraid to put up with the fact and admit that we are alone in this universe. We'd like to think there's something above all, which there is (maybe), but no one knows what it is, (and it ain't Jesus or his father god) and that's what drives everybody nuts! People must also understand that there is no point in arguing who's right and who's wrong! We, humans aren't so smart (yet) to figure out things at that level... Until then, believe what you want to believe...
@davidlars99 well if jesus existed at all, is just a false prophet that died for the people of his time as their savior, nobody alive today needs any saving because what christ died for happend before any of us were born, thus we dont bare any of that responsibility to be saved by a man that died 2000 years ago, much less the people that had nothing to do with events in the middle east
@MadMAn12gauge dude.. sit in your room, read the bible, when your done doing that, just MAYBE you can stop spamming youtube with these stupid questions that are IN the bible... soooo... GOOOOO!! i just dont understand why you persist in a topic you know nothing about
@MadMAn12gauge dude.. sit in your room, read the bible, when your done doing that, just MAYBE you can stop spamming youtube with these stupid questions that are IN the bible... soooo... GOOOOO!! i just dont understand why you persist in a topic you know nothing about
because he's the central figure of a religion which expanded through bloody roman colonization and wasn't popular until the romans used it as a tool to conquer. The character of Jesus is an blatant ripoff of the earlier roman god Mithra in every way possible.
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This video is nothing but Hate. Hate of Christians. Luke 21:17 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake". It is not our place or action to hate those who hate us. We must love and teach those who have ignonorant souls. Our understanding is simple. Those who hate do not come from God. Jesus, Yeshua is our God and Savior he is one with the Father. The restraint will be lifted and the lawless one will be revealed. Know that when you see Jerusalem surrounded it is near. God bless you all.
Letters of the apostles 177-220, letters attributed to paul and the apostles are forged by Literalists in their battles with Gnosticism, attacking "many deceivers" who "do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh"
In addition, it is worth to mention that Paul, seems to be totally unaware of the gospels in his epistles. He never mentions them or quotes them. Not the sayings of Jesus, not his miracles. Does not mention the the apostles, not his parents or circumstances of birth or death. Nothing. His letters are older than the gospels also. One more thing. Nazareth, did not exist in Jesus' time. It was built because of the gospel stories. It's all fiction.
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Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD, Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), Josephus, Julius Africanus, writing around 221 AD,Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD),Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD, Emperor Trajan, in reply to Pliny. Also, In about 112 A.D.,Emporer Hadrian (117-138 AD), in a letter to Minucius Fundanus,
Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 A, Lucian, a second century Greek satirist, Mara Bar-Serapion, of Syria, writing between 70 and 200 AD,The Gospel of Truth, probably by Valentius, around 135-160 AD,The Aprocryphon of John, probably by Saturninus, around 120-130 AD,Will Durant,The Gospel of Thomas, probably from 140-200 AD,Acts of Pontius Pilate, reports sent from Pilate to Tiberius, referred to by Justin Martyr (150 AD),Phlegon, born about 80 AD, as reported by Origen (185-254 AD),
jewish talmud mentions Yeshua had five disciples that have the names of Mattai, Nakkia, netzer, buni and todah. Completely unreconizable names. it was not written till 200 ce
also yeshu, which in greek is jesus was a very common name, and some translations of Josephus only translate the passages that they want the reader to identify with Jesus Christ using the Greek version of the name that is well recognised. While leaving the names of all the other jesuses in the untranslated hebrew
Clement, elder of Rome, letter to the Corinthian church (95 AD), Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, letter to the Trallians (110-115 AD),Ignatius, letter to the Smyrneans (110-115 AD), Quadratus, to Emperor Hadrian about 125 AD,Barnabas, written 130-138 AD, (Pseudo-) U,Justin Martyr, to Emperor Antoninus Pius about 150 AD,Lucian, Valentius, around 135-160 AD,
Christ is the greek translation for Messiah. There were a number of would-be messiahs rousing jews to rebellion back then. So when these roman historians cite "christ" it could be a host of other self proclaimed messiahs.
Literalism Christianity is a degenerate from the original "jesus mysteries" of the Gnostics
my blog of 70 pages is evidence4christianityblogspot..... It looks like you missed some critical evidence. Much of the high officials of Jesus's time mentioned him..... As continues......
Polycarp of Smyrna,Tertullian 200-210,Muratorian Canon 170 ,Origen 220-350 ,Caesar Augustus, emperor of Rome,Nero Caesar, emperor of Rome, Annas, high priest ,Caiaphas, high priest, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa I,Herod Agrippa II, Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar
it was a extremely literate period in human history. Here is a list of writers that wrote at or within a century in the time that jesus is said to have lived
arrian, petronius, seneca, dion pruseus, pliny the elder, appian, juvenal, theon smyrna, martial, plutarch, apollonius, pausanias, valerius flaccus, florus lucius, quintilian, favorinus, lucanus, damis, silius italicus, aulus gellius, statius, columella, ptolemy, dio chrysostom, hermogeones, lysias, valerius maximus. no mention of jesus!
if jesus existed he will his infinite power to bring himself back from the dead again and tell us all he did. And while he is at it, he will get rid of eyeball cancer, car crashes, and all the other bad stuff he made.
Tacitus, the Roman historian's birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a "Christus" in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus' mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay.
ARE you kidding????????? Your video itself is soooo much proof enough that Jesus the man existed. hahahahaha.. dude.. PLiny the younger wrote of "Christ" come on!!!!!!! thats IS proof, sheez
It's commonly suggested that Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Cornelius Tacitus and Gaius Suetonius all wrote about Jesus. However, the writings of Flavius Josephus are generally agreed to have been a forgery. Those of Gaius Seutonius are suspect and some consider them a forgery. Tacitus probably provided the best extra-biblical record. Most consist only of references to the 'Christ', 'Christus' or 'Chrestus'.which are not a name but a title meaning 'the anointed one'.
your really trying to say Jesus and the bible is a myth?you need scientific proof?want proof i got some,the bible,it's not made up! read the first verse, you'll learn something.genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.
Why don't you read a bit further than Gen 1:1. Read Gen 1:2 where Earth is covered in water. Read Gen 1:6 where Earth gets an atmosphere. But liquid water can't exist without atmospheric pressure. Read Gen 1:9 where the water runs into the valleys. Read Gen 1:11 where plants begin to grow. Now read Gen 1:14 where God creates the sun. So we had liquid water and plants growing with no heat and no light? That would make the temperature about -454°F. The book is a silly lie. Wake up.
Not being raised in a Church I experiance Jesus as a child, and I have had a child like faith in him. Now that I am a little older I do have some head knowlege of Jesus, but it is my child like faith that will always stand strong. I have a relationship with him and it is the most important relationship in my life. He bring me Joy, and has gotton me out of some pretty rotten situations.
May the LORD be with the reader of part of my story with my LORD!!!
What do we know about child-like faith? When our child tells us there's a monster in the closet or under the bed, do we abandon our homes in the middle of the night? Or do we turn to the wisdom of adults to demonstrate to the child that his faith is misguided? It's fine to be child-like... if you're a child. Adults should learn to look to reason and evidence. And since there isn't any evidence Jesus existed, reason demands our extreme skepticism.
now, the only differance is I believe in Jesus, with my heart, and my mind.
My strength is in him!!
Read-evidence tha demands a verdict by Josh Mcdowell, or simply type in his name on youtub, and you will find how easy it is for reason and faith to go hand in hand.
One does not believe with their heart. The heart is a muscle which pumps blood. That's all it does. What you're trying to say is that you hold no doubt. Down through the ages there have been thousands of gods and most of them had devout followers who believed in them no less than you do Jesus. How many of those gods have not since been abandoned? How many gods have ever been confirmed to exist? Read any of the hundreds of studies on placebo-effect to see how completely faith can lie.
We use the word heart to describe our passion and the relationship side of our personalities. Down through the ages God/Jesus has always been there and he has never been forgoten. You are making him sound as if he is new or something. God has always been and he will always be. He says "I am the Alpha and the omega."
Placebo-effect does not disprove faith, It confirms it. Placebo is when belief overcomes reality!
Like so many who believe in the unevidenced, you misunderstand placebo. It doesn't actually alter anything. People who take placebos don't experience any physical benefit. It's simply a perception of benefit. A good example is the placebo surgeries for angina pectoris. The patients claimed they felt better but the occlusions in their coronary arteries were not cleared and the threat of death was not reduced. It alters perception, not reality.
We know that if you rub people with what they BELIEVE is poison oak, many of them will begin to scratch and look for ointments to give them relief. They won't break out in hives because that's about objective reality. We can all see hives and confirm existence. Placebo is about perception - like your unevidenced belief God exists, not about actual changes to reality. You believe God exists but you can't show him to us because your belief DOESN'T change reality. He still doesn't exist
If believe had overcome reality, the people would be breaking out, simply because they believed the leaves were poison oak. They don't break out because their belief DOES NOT overcome reality.
You're close. You use the word "heart" to refer to emotionalism - making emotional decisions and choices rather than logical, rational ones. But everyone knows that emotionalism is a poor system for decision making so using the euphemism "heart" sounds less foolhardy. It's not because it's really the same thing. You should think with your brain and guide your emotions with logic rather than letting emotions over-ride logic. Where was God for the thousands of years before Jesus?
When did I ever use the word "heart" to describe emotionalism? I said that heart refers to Passion and the relationship side of us. This is the ablity to connect with others which can not be explained by science. Actually it is wrong to one sided!
We must have have balance with our minds and emotions.
"Where was God for the thousands of years before Jesus?"
A-This is basic Thelogy-God/Jesus/Holy Sprit have always existed. Even in Gen. the word "we" is used.
When you use the word heart as other than a blood-pumping muscle, you're talking about emotion. "Open your heart", means practice affection and compassion. It's all about emotion because only if one sets logic and reason aside, and lets themselves be lead by pure emotion can they hold any unevidenced belief. When operating under logic and reason, evidence is the first and primary means of assessment before accepting any belief.
Let me ask you a question-What is logic with out the relationship side of our being? -OR- What do you get with this pure logic that you find so important?
If I were to tell you that mice, while devoid of crimson, are highly warfare, would you feel you had gained anything? The statement is devoid of logic - it conveys nothing of discernible merit because it follows no line of logic. And yet you suggest that I overrate the value of logic. If you want your wife to love you more, tie her up and have sex with her sister while she's forced to watch. Is that logical? Can you rate the validity of the suggestion using logic?
Free in what respect? Are you unbound by laws, both of physics and legislation? Or are you simply not limited to the constraints of a tiny room? What do you mean by 'free'? In what context are you presenting the word?
So God just sat there for about a million years and watched man blunder about, continually sin, condemn himself to eternal torment and did nothing about it? You CLAIM God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always existed. But even after 2,000 years you can't demonstrate that any of them exist. In fact, if God exists, after 2,000 years he still isn't thought to exist by two-thirds of the world. That's a pretty poor result for an omnipotent anything. Holy Spirit = 38,000+ denominations?
Obviously in your 'fish looking for water' analogy you're suggesting that God is all around us. Air is all around us. Can we not find it and verify its existence through casual objective observation? Do you not realize that even casual observation can comply with the methodology of science? You choose to believe that God is all around us and so you imply it to be true. But there is no supporting evidence, and we do have evidence of other things that are all around us.
Your strength is in your BELIEF. A study on chronic arm pain showed experimental acupuncture to be more effective than the medication being tested. Of 266 people 25%experienced side-effects with the acupuncture against 31% of those on the medication. Three of those on the medication suffered so severely, that they were forced to drop out of the study.
This is significant because none of the subjects received any medication or acupuncture, but they BELIEVED they did.
No, you don't overcome reality, you simply deny reality. Reality will still affect you. If you have a physical ailment, the ailment doesn't go away. You simply become less prone to perceiving the results of the ailment. If you have plugged coronary arteries, your risk of death doesn't decline. Only your perception of the risk declines. And when the occlusion worsens, you die. You can't escape reality, but you can enter a state of denial. It's not healthy, but that's what religion is.
There is sometimes a slight benefit to having a calm, tranquil outlook which is slightly more prevalent in theists (ignorance is bliss), than in those who don't think God is going to come to their rescue.
Perhaps you should look into the STEP project where a small control group who knew they were being prayed for actually suffered a statistically greater number of complications in their recoveries than those not prayed for. God playing a trick at their expense perhaps?
I'm not sure if you're addressing this to me or not. If you are, then let me assure you that you have misunderstood. I'm not suggesting that God actually exists. But I can make observations concerning the character of God, as presented in the Bible, just as I can make references to the character of Captain Hook in the novel 'Peter Pan' without believing he actually exists.
Actually, cornstarch is inert in the body while sugar isn't. So they used cornstarch pressed into pills and retracting needles for the acupuncture. You can read about the test here.
Mr McDowell is either a liar or an idiot. In some of his videos he goes on and on about the 'bibliographical test'. He talks about copies and copies of copies and how accurate the resulting copy might be. His point is to claim that what is in the Bible today, is a true and accurate copy of the original manuscript. But we already know this isn't true. We know, for instance, that the earliest manuscript of Mark's gospel, didn't have any of the last 12-verses it has now. They were added.
When speaking of Mr McDowell I think it is important to point out that he was trying to prove the bible wrong because he had a anger against God. After he started studing, He found that bible was true and found a faith in Christ. I think the reader should veiw some of his youtube videos and make their own opinion.
Then Mr. McDowell is an idiot. If anyone wants to show that the Bible is wrong, they need do no more than test the first 15-verses, in which there are 4 gargantuan and easily demonstrated false claims. The Bible is a literary joke, filled with superstitions, false claims, fallacies and borrowed fictional tales. I've viewed some of his videos and formed my opinion. He lies, he diverts, he's divisive, dishonest and evasive. He talks around the issues instead of addressing them.
Not only were those last 12-verses added, but they were added decades after Mark's manuscript was written. And those 12-verses contain EVERYTHING Mark's gospel claims about the resurrection and ascension. And they weren't added by the original author. Mark died around 69 AD and his writings post-date the death of Jesus by at least 25-years. So what's in the Bible today is an obvious and irrefutable forgery. Josh McDowell tells everyone it's an accurate copy. The scholars know better.
What Josh McDowell does is to take one tiny piece of evidence and then begin talking about a testing method, He embellishes his information to extend his information and eventually, he ends up proclaiming the Bible to be accurate. But he bypasses the facts, he bypasses the rest of the information. And he does this because it would argue against the point (and money), he's trying to make. We don't know the author for any of the major four gospels. We don't have a single original.
Science is a joke. I'm suppose to believe that we evolved from a single cell organism and despite all your PROOF, you have not been able to map us all back to a single cell organism. I'm suppose to believe we came from a single cell organism and yet Science has no idea how a single cell organism could have formed. Spontanous Generation and Abiogenesis have both been proven false. You have no idea how DNA or RNA were created and you want to talk to me about lack of evidence...what a joke!
Shall we count your errors? We have many theories of abiogenesis and a "theory" is a complex concept which is consistent will ALL known pertinent evidence. God can't even qualify as a hypothesis. Abiogenesis has NOT been proven false. We have many ideas on how spontaneous self-assembly of nucleotides could lead to a sub-set of TNA. Evolution then takes TNA to RNA, and RNA to DNA, though we don't have all of the steps. You don't have ANY demonstrable steps - just an assertion of "magic".
Science isn't a joke. You simply don't understand science. You want it to present absolute truths and "proofs". You even state science presents "proofs". That's among the worst failings of your understanding. Science doesn't present, accept, utilize or produce "proof". Proof is an unattainable, imaginary concept. Science produces the best explanation for a concept, based on the evidence. Your inability to grasp evolution isn't the failure of evolution, it's your simplistic mentality.
There is no guide book to turn to that says "When Christians and scientist disagree on what proof is, the following definition will be applied." You're right about what science does and I accept that for a science field. But to use science as the standard in which everything else will be measured, I don't have to accept that much like you do not have to accept God. I can still go be a firefighter or a lawyer or a fisherman. Call me symplistic mentality but my life will go on.
The difference between science and religion is that science produces real, measurable, testable conclusions. And science doesn't subscribe to the concept of "proof", nor do I (aside from maths). Do you accept the functionality of the Internet? Do you deny that science brought us that ability? Religion brings us claims and promises devoid of demonstrable veracity and demands our belief without conclusive or even objective supporting evidence. Religion is demonstrably wrong and harmful.
I love science and what it brings to the table. We just had an ultra sound 2 wks ago. Unlike the first one were we had to get it on VHS, we got this one on DVD :) The point is this, I am curious to just what we can accomplish as humans because I believe God made us pretty spectacular. It's just that for me God is at the center showing us His wonders and for others, we're just seeing wonders. I don't debate anymore because people choose what they want to believe and I am ok with that.
You're simply adding a level that is neither appropriate nor evidenced. There is no evidence for God, yet you give God credit for the accomplishments of man. God didn't do the years of experimentation, thought, trial and error, intent observation and applied intellect which brought us technology like video tape, optical discs and sonic imaging. Man did it all. It makes no more sense to pass the credit on to God than to pass the credit on to the Great White Worm that controls the galaxy.
In football you have a game plan and execution. It's the coaches job to come up with the game plan and ensure the players know how to execute. Once the game starts it's up to the players to execute. Not giving God credit for the W is like players not giving coaches credit for a good game plan and making sure they were ready to execute.
The foot players can all show their coach exists. He's visible, palpable, audible, testable and confirmable. Now.. if you have a football game among a group of children and there wasn't any coach, then the team that won gave credit to their invisible, inaudible, impalpable, untestable, unconfirmable sideline coach, the analogy would be correct. Such children would be said to be in need of counseling and no less so if they still believed in their unevidenced coach as adults.
Let's get to the cold hard facts of who we are as humans. We have free will. I can choose to do anything I want to. Whether or not I'm successfull is irrelevant. I can choose to drop A-bombs to end wars, fly planes into buildings, I can even choose to drive drunk if I want to. What this means to you is that you have chosen to live in a world in which science is used to explain everything. I choose not to except that. Isn't free will great :)
I don't know, is free-will all that great? Isn't free-will what gives people the ability to believe that they're the King of Atlantis, having tea with the God Mercury? Or is it? Can you actually CHOOSE what you believe? If you wanted to, could you wake up tomorrow and choose to believe you live on the planet Neptune? Are do you believe that of which you have been convinced? We can make choices. But we should choose carefully and not make choices only to serve emotional wants.
Can you choose to remember the answers to your physics final... even when you can't remember them? And what does free-will have to do with the topic? People assert that free-will is provided by God but that's inverse logic. If a river flows freely, it's not because a dam exists which has chosen to allow the river to flow. It's because no dam exists. By the same token, free-will is evidence that God doesn't exist, not evidence that he does.
Yes, I read your assertion that your level of success is another subject. I disagree. You can't truly choose to do that which you can't do. The idea is illogical and somewhat absurd. You can't choose to be Elvis Presely. You can't choose to be a tree. You can't choose to be 8-feet tall. You can want any of those things but you can't actually choose them. So you're wrong and your ability to succeed DOES matter.
Here's what free will has to do with the topic and allow me to break it down for you because I thought I was pretty clear but maybe it got lost in the niceness of my post. So I will be clear from here on out.
You cannot fathom the idea of God. You cannot even entertain the possibility of if he existed. As a result of that you've shown me how closed minded you are. See I have been open minded. I can entertain the idea of a world with no God. I die and nothing happens. I probably wouldn't even know I was dead. My life dosn't change. But you, to entertain the idea of God in any one science theory would rock your science field. Who refuses to be objective in there approach now?
JDAM93, - RE: "You cannot fathom the idea of God."
Hold it. Back up, re-group and re-think. I was a devout theist for 33-years. I often thought out the concept of God, made my own discoveries and discussed my findings and beliefs. So I'm not closed minded. And if you've never been an atheist, then there is far more to support the idea that you're the close-minded one. But while I'm not close-minded, I do filter what I accept and I do so on a rational basis - which lead to atheism.
So when you read a fact like the Permian-Triassic event wiped out about 90% of the species did you just blow off Isiah 45:18which says "For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens, who is God, who formed the earth and made it, who established it, Who did not create it in vain, who formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord and there is no other." Not that the event didn't happen but the fact that earth survived and according to science these events have wiped out life on other planets.
I would suggest you're the one "blowing off" Isaiah 45:18 which has everything to do with creating Earth to be inhabited, while the Permian-Triassic period has to do with that habitation being reduced by 90%. Why would God do that? Why created so many creatures just to then allow them to become extinct? It seems a very poor way of promoting habitation. Yet evolution and natural events account for the event without contradiction and without the need to distort ideas to make them fit.
you made a compelling argument FOR the existence of a historical Jesus....and 4 billion Christians
SOFSoldier1 2 weeks ago
I couldn't care less whether Jesus existed or not. He may have, its certainly possible. Its not important. What is important is that millions of people have been murdered for no good reason in the name of "religion", which has always done much more harm than good.
8698gil 2 months ago
I don't know whether Jesus existed or not, but even if he did, he certainly was not the son of a god. There were many prophets at that time, the whole idea of Jesus could be simply a compilation of stories condensed into the belief that there was only one man who was supposed to have started the christian faith. It was eventually written down and became widely accepted as truth.
8698gil 2 months ago
Jesus had mythical powers similar to the likes of Kronos. Or maybe a better comparison would be to Hades, Thor, or Odin. I'm really suprised at the sexism and that Gaia doesn't receive that much credit for being the goddess of people. Ra, Poseidon, and Zeus all could be based on people that actually lived. But know what? They're all myths because each and everyone lacks evidence. Jesus lacks evidence.
charlesfloyb 6 months ago
@TheDarvus
I don't have to prove anything wrong. Jesus was a living breathing human being. That's an undeniable proven historical fact...
dex1391 7 months ago
@TheDarvus
LOL I love it when you guys try this. You always fail..
dex1391 7 months ago
@TheDarvus
LOL I've proven you wrong. Your insults and complaints crack me up...
It's a fact. Jesus was in fact a living breathing human... This is a proven fact.
Insults won't change that...
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Ah yes... when faced with facts.. always resort to insults... you look much better now. LOL
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Sorry Facts are Facts....
Jesus was a threat to the Romans...
You lose
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Fact... you are wrong... You know that you're wrong...
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
LOL yes it must be true because some atheist wrote a book about it.
Seriously?
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Yes... sorry...
Facts are facts... Many that wrote about Christ would have benefited from denying his existence...
Sorry you're wrong... History and historians disagree with you.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Yes I am. And yes... the romans constantly killed Christians.
Seriously... take a history class.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
OMG... you really don't know anything about history do you? Christ was turning the people against Rome. Christ was a threat.
You seriously need to sit down and do some reading about this time frame.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Actually you're very wrong. Many of those that wrote about Jesus would have gained favor by claiming that he was not real.
Christianity was a much later concept. Josephus wrote directly for the Romans... they would have gained tremendously by claiming that Jesus wasn't real. Yet it never happened.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
You know .... you may actually have a point if all of those that recorded the life of Jesus were pro-Jesus (can't really call them Christian). Most did so when Christ was a threat to them.
Why not simply mock Christ as a false figurehead back then? Because He was real.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
If you're simply going to dodge my questions... I'm heading to bed.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Can you answer me a serious question?
They're not still debating. This is a fairly new debate. We went 1800 years and no one questioned the historical Jesus. The evidence stood alone. Now all of the sudden there's a question? Why?
There's no new evidence against Jesus, Actually we keep getting more evidence for ...
Yes... I do stick with the facts.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
I'm asking for proof. You could say that John Smith claims something... that means nothing.
No the general consensus is that he is a historical fact...
The debate is over.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
I know that there is. This is undeniable.
And the only source I find for Rolf Torstendahl, is Wiki... sorry not good enough.
Google evidence for Jesus... you'll sift through thousands of pages of evidence...
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
LOL no... you really are a moron.
Still waiting for your proof. (which will never happen)
idiot
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Actually we know quite a bit about Jesus and His own words have been put on paper.
Jesus the man is a proven historical figure. This is undeniable. Show me one serious historian that denies His existence.
Oh wait... you can't ... "your" a moron... LOL
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Actually they're both ironic.
" Your" a moron actually shows that you are a moron and not me. Therefore it's irony... get it?
The fact that I had to explain that to you ... only shows that you really are an idiot.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Moron... wouldn't that be the point? No scholar has ever questioned them yet Jesus has more evidence than Caesar. Hmmm Thanks for proving my point.
This is too easy...
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
LOL no it matters... "your" a moron ... makes YOU a moron.
Nice try idiot.
dex1391 8 months ago
@TheDarvus
Yes.. I've done my research. Jesus the man is a historical fact... no different than Washington or Ceasar...
BTW... It's "YOU'RE a moron" LOL.... (oh the irony)
If you're going to attack the intellect of another individual the last thing you want to do is what you just did.
It shows you are lacking education to begin with.
You're like a 5 year old calling me a "poopy-head". Ouch... that hurts.
dex1391 9 months ago
@TheDarvus
LOL I guess so is George Washington.
I love it. You people crack me up.
dex1391 9 months ago
LOL so very wrong. Jesus Christ walked this Earth. It is an undeniable fact.
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391 Yes,yes of course it is...open your eyes. No one can disprove something to a person if he wants to believe in it. How can you disprove to me that pixies fairies and Hogwards doesn't exist? You can't can you? Even if there was a Jesus who's to say that he was a god in some sort of way?
D3admaus 10 months ago
@D3admaus
What do you mean even if there was? We know for a fact that there was.
If you don't wish to believe in His divinity... that's your business.
But there's more evidence for Jesus than there is for Julius Caesar.
I could use the term... even if there was... for all historical figures... but I'd look just as foolish as you.
And btw... IF atheism were true... It could be proven 100%.
dex1391 10 months ago
Know it's THE 'SON' of GOD! And I tell you know whether you are dead or alive.....
You will see The SON of Man(Jesus) coming on the clouds of heaven in great power, glory and authority. And you and all your false demon gods will bow at his presence because his glory is to much for you to contain. And before he judge's you. You and the whole earth will know that JESUS IS GOD!!!
Endymion7Ra 1 year ago
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Rachulie 1 year ago
cough. contradiction at 0:38-0:48
Rachulie 1 year ago
What music is used in this? I love it.
Jcm9991 1 year ago
@Jcm9991 Just something I made myself with Reason.
bandoli66 1 year ago
wow, i hope you feel really good about yourself for spreading lies of which you have no proof for. by the way, just because someone who lived during the same time as Jesus didnt mention Him in their writings, does not prove that Jesus didnt exist. think about it, is that really the proof that you offer! i dont know if i am 100% right about what i believe, but what i do know is, what i do believe, i dont try to convince anyone of. everyone has their opinion, it is not my place to say theyre wrong
wallace3542 1 year ago 2
@wallace3542 Well, yes, when evidence is missing of a persons existence and we are teaching children these fairy tales as fact, it is an issue,
ferrari092379 1 year ago
@wallace3542 You utter fool.Have you even read the Bible? You idiot.In the bible it says EVERYWHERE that Jesus was famous for his raising the dead curing the ill and the blind yada-yada.And that being said how could a man that wrote about everything not know about Jesus Christ ? He got prosecuted by the Roman law and that hasn't been mentioned yet.
D3admaus 10 months ago
@wallace3542 "does not prove that Jesus didnt exist"
I full heartily agree, however, this video's intention is not to prove Jesus didn't exist, but to show that there is no proof that Jesus DID exist. Is it possible that Jesus existed? Sure, but that does not mean that it is PLAUSIBLE that Jesus existed. If you want to BELIEVE that Jesus existed then be my guest, but just because people BELIEVE something doesn't make it true or even likely. THAT was the point of the video, in my opinion.
TheAlmightyJod 7 months ago
the bible is filled with lies and allegory, starting with genesis;
END TIMES means we are going to the next AGE "AQUARIUS"
we are now in the "PISCEAN" IT'S ONLY ASTROTHEOLOGY!
sarces4321 1 year ago
@sarces4321 ASTROTHEOLOGY. What! ASTROTHEOLOGY! That stuff has as much substance as a paper towel roll. If you are following that garbage I would be surprised if you can tie your shoes. Let alone read. Which you would actually be better off. Go find the real God before you start talking about balls of gas in the sky.... You FOOL!
Endymion7Ra 1 year ago
yeah, all those things you looked up were PROBABLY fabricated as well.
See? No one is sure of anything here.
mozee93 1 year ago
Of course. Any manuscript mentioning Jesus is fabricated.. yea.. proven in 3min.. uhu..
There are close to 25000 manuscripts of the Gospels. Look it up.
Soul4JC 1 year ago
@Soul4JC unfortunately there are no original gospels they are all copies written by greeks.
The oldest Gospel is Thomas, which is actually written in Aramaic and strangely no one recognizes it. (Probably because there is no mention of the resurrection and its pages say there are things you have to learn to have an afterlife, not just "believe")
MegaJay79 1 year ago
BUT I WANT JESUS TO EXIST!!!! MOMMY!!!!!
TwoBoyz1Channel 1 year ago 15
No, there is no actual evidence for the existence of Jesus, only the inspirational stories told in the Bible, which are at least partly fabricated. Similarly, King Arthur and Robin Hood are characters which may well have their basis, at least in part, on persons who actually lived, but the truth cannot be known about events from so long ago.
eatmylogic 1 year ago
this conversation has just gotten ridiculous. Your un-scholarly comments, questions, and name calling need to stop. if you want to have a reasonable conversations, im all ears, but when name calling continues to the point where thats all your really doing, it just grows dull and un-interesting. i really dont like repeating myself, especially when you say the same thing RIGHT after i commented on it.
marineboy090 1 year ago
@marineboy090
lespauls61 1 year ago
it is ironic that the men responsible for upholding religion are atheists themselves, and yet you religious folk slander us...we atheists are the only reason your religion still exists in the world, if we didn't interpret and preach that bibles word, twist and turn meanings, the common kid could read this bible and think it is bullshit and or horrid
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
and i don't want your bullshit answers i have heard them all before, there is only one obvious truth when it concerns the bible and the legitimacy of religion itself...and you have not provided the right answer or suggest that you have learned the right answer. so you are not fooling anyone with your Bullshit, people are laughing at you
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@MadMAn12gauge Hahaha, nice one. :D
TheLeutrimExperience 1 year ago
If i were God, this world would not have evil in it...I would not use human beings as my play thing for entertainment, you create life you have to enjoy what you create regaurdless of what it does, that is the joy of creation...Destroying or punishing what you create makes no sense...and whatever happens with my creations i would take full responsibility, because i allowed it to happen...your god(made up version) does not like to take any responsibility
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@MadMAn12gauge dude read my other comment. read the Bible, learn it, stop talking about things you dont know about. dude i asked the same questions as you, i looked for answers, i found them. so why do i have to give you the luxery of giving them to you. i EARNED my answers, earn yours if you want them. but you dont want them. God gave us free will, the will do deviate from His plan. God does not run this world, satan does. STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU DONT KNOW!!!
marineboy090 1 year ago
@marineboy090 you havnt earned any answers...you accept bullshit answers from people that should be telling you the right answer...the right answer is "i don't know"
if someone is telling you they know they are liars and full of shit...so stop being a dumbass for one day of your life and critically think religion for what it is...it is fabricated bullshit, if you wanna believe in a god that is fine, but don't be looking at religions as if they know something you dont
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@MadMAn12gauge right, you know everything i do everyday right? dude, who are you to say anything to me about me? you know nothing aobut me, you dont even know my name, so why are you saying to ME that i havnt earned any answers? just because im not giving them to you? how bout you stop bashing, and start learning. if you cant understand the bible, and dont want to, then dont read it. simple as that. you dont understand it and dont want to, so then just dont.
marineboy090 1 year ago
@marineboy090 you have not earned your answers, you have earned only false interpretation by smooth tongue preachers...If you truely earned any answers from the bible it would be the understanding of what it was meant for and how it was put together...and it ultimately would change your opinion of the legitimacy of the book itself but not your opinion of religion doing good for the world because most preachers agree there and dont have any real faith themselves
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@marineboy090 Your messed up dude. There is NO satan or evil. The question of GOD is still open as there is NO PROOF of his exsistance. Jesus is a mythical figure like mythra, horus and all the other messiahs that have been created by man.
Had you the ability to think rationally you would see how this is no different than believing in the easter bunny. WAKE UP its the 21 century witches arent real nor is jesus.
lespauls61 1 year ago
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@marineboy090 Your messed up dude. There is NO satan or evil. The question of GOD is still open as there is NO PROOF of his exsistance. Jesus is a mythical figure like mythra, horus and all the other messiahs that have been created by man.
Had you the ability to think rationally you would see how this is no different than believing in the easter bunny. WAKE UP its the 21 century witches arent real nor is jesus.
lespauls61 1 year ago
3 words
Shroud Of Turin =)
marineboy090 1 year ago
Jesus is nothing but Janet Jackson's pussy!!!!
Now let me prove that the non-Holy Bible has 101+ errors!
James: 1:13 says "Jesus cannot be attempted. But in Matthew: 4:1 it says "Jesus was attempted by the Devil to go to the desert".
pr0gram1r 1 year ago
@pr0fram1r
you dumb ass ignorant FOOL!!
ok
#1 if your gunna quote scripture, do it right
#2 James 1:13 says that "..God cannot be tempted by evil..." and in Matther 4:1 the Bible says "Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil"
OMG!!! notice the word BE in there!! now would you like to try again and show me where he WAS tempted and gave in? its people like you that twists the Bible around and put it outa context that piss me off kuz you are all so stupid
marineboy090 1 year ago
@marineboy090 "God cannot be tempted by evil" well thats odd because what ever god does is what he decides as good and bad so he is immune to any judgement
god created evil and good so if he does evil it is because he is god and can do as he pleases as a totalitarian dictator with no opposition
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@MadMAn12gauge sigh.. my advice to anyone who wants to dog and/or find "contradictions" in the bible is this READ THE FRIGGING BIBLE!
and as for your comment madman, God did not CREATE evil, he gave free will, wich was corrupted by satan. God is perfect, he cannot sin or he will be imperfect, so giving into satan (wich was God the Son, not Father) would make Jesus imperfect and therefore not be a perfect sacrifice for mankind... anything else?
marineboy090 1 year ago
@marineboy090 yeah your contradicting yourself...Who made satan moron, oh god did, evil would not exist if god never allowed it, god is impotent or does not exist...
he obviously does not want to fix the problem, thus he likes it how it is and of course god can't sin, because it is his rules he can break em as he pleases without opposition, who is going to oppose god? its his game his rules he can cheat if he wants because he is immune to his own judgement
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@marineboy090 and either god can't predict the future, or this is how he wants it.
you have to use a little bit of logic here dude. yes god created evil because he has a plan for it, and since he has a plan for evil it makes him a sadist, if you create something and it does something you dont want it to do, you fix the problem or it will allways occur, obviously your god is impotent and helpless
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
caesarsmessiah. com
rapartist43 1 year ago
fyi, crestus simply means "the good" it is a title not a name.
joekawi 1 year ago
Moohamid was a pedophile.
MrJohnnyrace 2 years ago
I'm an atheist, ex Christian & someone deeply interested in mythology, folklore etc. I'm not so sure that it is automatically certain that there was no Jesus behind the Jesus cult. That doesn't bring the myths of the cult any closer to reality, but the myths don't make the man less probable. Myths will arise around any charismatic person...
amaxamon 2 years ago
I'm not saying he didn't exist, all I'm saying is that he was a person just like any of us, and he didn't rise after death... Yoooo, dead people don't get arisen - get that throught your thick skulls! :-)
davidlars99 2 years ago 2
thats the most true thing iv heard all day!!
thank you! :)
crazichic93 2 years ago
Logically speaking, there is nothing about Jesus that explains the fact that, 20 centuries after His birth, He stands as thee most influential figure who ever existed in recorded human history. He never held a public office, he never ruled an empire, he never commanded an army, yet hundreds of millions have followed him over two millennia. Why?
alvaboyfilms 2 years ago
Why, because humans are afraid to put up with the fact and admit that we are alone in this universe. We'd like to think there's something above all, which there is (maybe), but no one knows what it is, (and it ain't Jesus or his father god) and that's what drives everybody nuts! People must also understand that there is no point in arguing who's right and who's wrong! We, humans aren't so smart (yet) to figure out things at that level... Until then, believe what you want to believe...
davidlars99 2 years ago 8
@davidlars99 well if jesus existed at all, is just a false prophet that died for the people of his time as their savior, nobody alive today needs any saving because what christ died for happend before any of us were born, thus we dont bare any of that responsibility to be saved by a man that died 2000 years ago, much less the people that had nothing to do with events in the middle east
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
@MadMAn12gauge dude.. sit in your room, read the bible, when your done doing that, just MAYBE you can stop spamming youtube with these stupid questions that are IN the bible... soooo... GOOOOO!! i just dont understand why you persist in a topic you know nothing about
marineboy090 1 year ago
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@MadMAn12gauge dude.. sit in your room, read the bible, when your done doing that, just MAYBE you can stop spamming youtube with these stupid questions that are IN the bible... soooo... GOOOOO!! i just dont understand why you persist in a topic you know nothing about
marineboy090 1 year ago
@davidlars99 Then explain Ghosts or Possessed objects and people.
Owner892 11 months ago
because he's the central figure of a religion which expanded through bloody roman colonization and wasn't popular until the romans used it as a tool to conquer. The character of Jesus is an blatant ripoff of the earlier roman god Mithra in every way possible.
Nowitzki25 2 years ago
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you misqouted the annales: Christus (The Christ) the founder of the name (Christians) had undergone death penalty in the reign of TIberius"
it's a testimony itself that Jesus existed, that Cornelius acknowledge Jesus' existance during his time!
You're video is bias, and obviously turning ur head from the evidence!
jenard007 2 years ago
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This video is nothing but Hate. Hate of Christians. Luke 21:17 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake". It is not our place or action to hate those who hate us. We must love and teach those who have ignonorant souls. Our understanding is simple. Those who hate do not come from God. Jesus, Yeshua is our God and Savior he is one with the Father. The restraint will be lifted and the lawless one will be revealed. Know that when you see Jerusalem surrounded it is near. God bless you all.
delmaroeb 2 years ago
all these writings you try to dismis, its absolutely amazing.
take for example Pliny the younger ant 1:28
AD 10 there is no such thing as christianity ad 110 there are letter being sent of concern about people worshiping a man who the claim was god.
galatians4v30 2 years ago
Thank you, I loved this video and the music that goes with it.
luigidesigns 2 years ago
Letters of the apostles 177-220, letters attributed to paul and the apostles are forged by Literalists in their battles with Gnosticism, attacking "many deceivers" who "do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh"
feces4u 2 years ago
HOW CHRISTIANITY DEVELOPED
letters of paul c.50, jesus is a mystical dying and resurrection godman
the gopsel of mark 70-110, the myth of jesus is given a historical and geographical setting
gospels of Matthew & Luke 90-135, details of jesus birth and resurrection are added, story embellished
gospel of john c.120, christian theology is developed
acts of the apostles 150-177, having created the illusion of historical jesus, acts is created to account for his disciple
feces4u 2 years ago 2
jesus is extraterresial lol
DISREGARDTHAT11meh 2 years ago
In addition, it is worth to mention that Paul, seems to be totally unaware of the gospels in his epistles. He never mentions them or quotes them. Not the sayings of Jesus, not his miracles. Does not mention the the apostles, not his parents or circumstances of birth or death. Nothing. His letters are older than the gospels also. One more thing. Nazareth, did not exist in Jesus' time. It was built because of the gospel stories. It's all fiction.
prakkari 2 years ago
well if you knew anything about pauls letters, you would know there were written before the gospels
galatians4v30 2 years ago
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misterdeeeep 2 years ago
Check out my 70 pages of evidence for JESUS CHRIST~~!!
This video is so inaccurate it is not even funny!
MandMEvangelists 2 years ago
Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD, Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), Josephus, Julius Africanus, writing around 221 AD,Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD),Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD, Emperor Trajan, in reply to Pliny. Also, In about 112 A.D.,Emporer Hadrian (117-138 AD), in a letter to Minucius Fundanus,
MandMEvangelists 2 years ago
Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 A, Lucian, a second century Greek satirist, Mara Bar-Serapion, of Syria, writing between 70 and 200 AD,The Gospel of Truth, probably by Valentius, around 135-160 AD,The Aprocryphon of John, probably by Saturninus, around 120-130 AD,Will Durant,The Gospel of Thomas, probably from 140-200 AD,Acts of Pontius Pilate, reports sent from Pilate to Tiberius, referred to by Justin Martyr (150 AD),Phlegon, born about 80 AD, as reported by Origen (185-254 AD),
MandMEvangelists 2 years ago
everyone you cite here wasnt even alive during the supposed life of christ.
Also you cite gospels that arent even accepted by the church for your proof
If there was concrete proof the vatican would have made us all aware of it by now
many of these others were christian propagandist like Eusebius and Justin Martyr
also literalist christians movement came around in the second century. Gnostics were the first christians and those who created the jesus story
feces4u 2 years ago
jewish talmud mentions Yeshua had five disciples that have the names of Mattai, Nakkia, netzer, buni and todah. Completely unreconizable names. it was not written till 200 ce
also yeshu, which in greek is jesus was a very common name, and some translations of Josephus only translate the passages that they want the reader to identify with Jesus Christ using the Greek version of the name that is well recognised. While leaving the names of all the other jesuses in the untranslated hebrew
feces4u 2 years ago
Clement, elder of Rome, letter to the Corinthian church (95 AD), Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, letter to the Trallians (110-115 AD),Ignatius, letter to the Smyrneans (110-115 AD), Quadratus, to Emperor Hadrian about 125 AD,Barnabas, written 130-138 AD, (Pseudo-) U,Justin Martyr, to Emperor Antoninus Pius about 150 AD,Lucian, Valentius, around 135-160 AD,
MandMEvangelists 2 years ago
Christ is the greek translation for Messiah. There were a number of would-be messiahs rousing jews to rebellion back then. So when these roman historians cite "christ" it could be a host of other self proclaimed messiahs.
Literalism Christianity is a degenerate from the original "jesus mysteries" of the Gnostics
feces4u 2 years ago
my blog of 70 pages is evidence4christianityblogspot..... It looks like you missed some critical evidence. Much of the high officials of Jesus's time mentioned him..... As continues......
Polycarp of Smyrna,Tertullian 200-210,Muratorian Canon 170 ,Origen 220-350 ,Caesar Augustus, emperor of Rome,Nero Caesar, emperor of Rome, Annas, high priest ,Caiaphas, high priest, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa I,Herod Agrippa II, Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar
MandMEvangelists 2 years ago
it was a extremely literate period in human history. Here is a list of writers that wrote at or within a century in the time that jesus is said to have lived
arrian, petronius, seneca, dion pruseus, pliny the elder, appian, juvenal, theon smyrna, martial, plutarch, apollonius, pausanias, valerius flaccus, florus lucius, quintilian, favorinus, lucanus, damis, silius italicus, aulus gellius, statius, columella, ptolemy, dio chrysostom, hermogeones, lysias, valerius maximus. no mention of jesus!
feces4u 2 years ago
MandM,
What color is the sky in your world?
Maybe try cutting the Prozacs in half from now on.
judoyodan 2 years ago
if jesus existed he will his infinite power to bring himself back from the dead again and tell us all he did. And while he is at it, he will get rid of eyeball cancer, car crashes, and all the other bad stuff he made.
blucas6 2 years ago
Tacitus, the Roman historian's birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a "Christus" in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus' mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay.
jgmes2001 2 years ago 2
You could never disprove that a man named Jesus lived and stated what later became Christianity.
I don't know why you are trying to disprove the hardest and yet the least important evidence anyway.
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MrSistermaryelephant 2 years ago
ARE you kidding????????? Your video itself is soooo much proof enough that Jesus the man existed. hahahahaha.. dude.. PLiny the younger wrote of "Christ" come on!!!!!!! thats IS proof, sheez
Theroyalone20 2 years ago
Theroyalone20,
It's commonly suggested that Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Cornelius Tacitus and Gaius Suetonius all wrote about Jesus. However, the writings of Flavius Josephus are generally agreed to have been a forgery. Those of Gaius Seutonius are suspect and some consider them a forgery. Tacitus probably provided the best extra-biblical record. Most consist only of references to the 'Christ', 'Christus' or 'Chrestus'.which are not a name but a title meaning 'the anointed one'.
Beastt17 2 years ago
your really trying to say Jesus and the bible is a myth?you need scientific proof?want proof i got some,the bible,it's not made up! read the first verse, you'll learn something.genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.
TheAmplover 2 years ago
TheAmplover,
Why don't you read a bit further than Gen 1:1. Read Gen 1:2 where Earth is covered in water. Read Gen 1:6 where Earth gets an atmosphere. But liquid water can't exist without atmospheric pressure. Read Gen 1:9 where the water runs into the valleys. Read Gen 1:11 where plants begin to grow. Now read Gen 1:14 where God creates the sun. So we had liquid water and plants growing with no heat and no light? That would make the temperature about -454°F. The book is a silly lie. Wake up.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Not being raised in a Church I experiance Jesus as a child, and I have had a child like faith in him. Now that I am a little older I do have some head knowlege of Jesus, but it is my child like faith that will always stand strong. I have a relationship with him and it is the most important relationship in my life. He bring me Joy, and has gotton me out of some pretty rotten situations.
May the LORD be with the reader of part of my story with my LORD!!!
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
What do we know about child-like faith? When our child tells us there's a monster in the closet or under the bed, do we abandon our homes in the middle of the night? Or do we turn to the wisdom of adults to demonstrate to the child that his faith is misguided? It's fine to be child-like... if you're a child. Adults should learn to look to reason and evidence. And since there isn't any evidence Jesus existed, reason demands our extreme skepticism.
Beastt17 2 years ago
now, the only differance is I believe in Jesus, with my heart, and my mind.
My strength is in him!!
Read-evidence tha demands a verdict by Josh Mcdowell, or simply type in his name on youtub, and you will find how easy it is for reason and faith to go hand in hand.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
One does not believe with their heart. The heart is a muscle which pumps blood. That's all it does. What you're trying to say is that you hold no doubt. Down through the ages there have been thousands of gods and most of them had devout followers who believed in them no less than you do Jesus. How many of those gods have not since been abandoned? How many gods have ever been confirmed to exist? Read any of the hundreds of studies on placebo-effect to see how completely faith can lie.
Beastt17 2 years ago
We use the word heart to describe our passion and the relationship side of our personalities. Down through the ages God/Jesus has always been there and he has never been forgoten. You are making him sound as if he is new or something. God has always been and he will always be. He says "I am the Alpha and the omega."
Placebo-effect does not disprove faith, It confirms it. Placebo is when belief overcomes reality!
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Like so many who believe in the unevidenced, you misunderstand placebo. It doesn't actually alter anything. People who take placebos don't experience any physical benefit. It's simply a perception of benefit. A good example is the placebo surgeries for angina pectoris. The patients claimed they felt better but the occlusions in their coronary arteries were not cleared and the threat of death was not reduced. It alters perception, not reality.
Beastt17 2 years ago
This is not true now is it?
You and I both know that those people who are rubbed with poison oak and told it is maple leafs, do not break out in hives.
I would call that a physical benefit, and I would also say that the beleif did change the reality.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
We know that if you rub people with what they BELIEVE is poison oak, many of them will begin to scratch and look for ointments to give them relief. They won't break out in hives because that's about objective reality. We can all see hives and confirm existence. Placebo is about perception - like your unevidenced belief God exists, not about actual changes to reality. You believe God exists but you can't show him to us because your belief DOESN'T change reality. He still doesn't exist
Beastt17 2 years ago
You are correct in saying this, and you have proved my point it does work both ways.
This is the classic placebo experiment.
Group A is given the poison oak and told it is maple leafs, Yet they do NOT break out.
Group B is given maple leafs, and they are told this is poison oak, and they DO break out.
Which is causing this break out,it certainly is not the reality, it is their belief.
As I have already said belief overcomes reality (I do want to say this is not 100% of the cases either way)
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
If believe had overcome reality, the people would be breaking out, simply because they believed the leaves were poison oak. They don't break out because their belief DOES NOT overcome reality.
Beastt17 2 years ago
I believe I set us free.
maybe you did not read all of our conversation yet?
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
You're close. You use the word "heart" to refer to emotionalism - making emotional decisions and choices rather than logical, rational ones. But everyone knows that emotionalism is a poor system for decision making so using the euphemism "heart" sounds less foolhardy. It's not because it's really the same thing. You should think with your brain and guide your emotions with logic rather than letting emotions over-ride logic. Where was God for the thousands of years before Jesus?
Beastt17 2 years ago
When did I ever use the word "heart" to describe emotionalism? I said that heart refers to Passion and the relationship side of us. This is the ablity to connect with others which can not be explained by science. Actually it is wrong to one sided!
We must have have balance with our minds and emotions.
"Where was God for the thousands of years before Jesus?"
A-This is basic Thelogy-God/Jesus/Holy Sprit have always existed. Even in Gen. the word "we" is used.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
When you use the word heart as other than a blood-pumping muscle, you're talking about emotion. "Open your heart", means practice affection and compassion. It's all about emotion because only if one sets logic and reason aside, and lets themselves be lead by pure emotion can they hold any unevidenced belief. When operating under logic and reason, evidence is the first and primary means of assessment before accepting any belief.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Let me ask you a question-What is logic with out the relationship side of our being? -OR- What do you get with this pure logic that you find so important?
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
If I were to tell you that mice, while devoid of crimson, are highly warfare, would you feel you had gained anything? The statement is devoid of logic - it conveys nothing of discernible merit because it follows no line of logic. And yet you suggest that I overrate the value of logic. If you want your wife to love you more, tie her up and have sex with her sister while she's forced to watch. Is that logical? Can you rate the validity of the suggestion using logic?
Beastt17 2 years ago
We are free remember?
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Free in what respect? Are you unbound by laws, both of physics and legislation? Or are you simply not limited to the constraints of a tiny room? What do you mean by 'free'? In what context are you presenting the word?
Beastt17 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
So God just sat there for about a million years and watched man blunder about, continually sin, condemn himself to eternal torment and did nothing about it? You CLAIM God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always existed. But even after 2,000 years you can't demonstrate that any of them exist. In fact, if God exists, after 2,000 years he still isn't thought to exist by two-thirds of the world. That's a pretty poor result for an omnipotent anything. Holy Spirit = 38,000+ denominations?
Beastt17 2 years ago
Can you nave a place where the name of Jesus Christ is not known?
Do you realize that looking for God, is like a fish looking for water?
There is no place that God does not exist!
I am very happy to say this!!
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Obviously in your 'fish looking for water' analogy you're suggesting that God is all around us. Air is all around us. Can we not find it and verify its existence through casual objective observation? Do you not realize that even casual observation can comply with the methodology of science? You choose to believe that God is all around us and so you imply it to be true. But there is no supporting evidence, and we do have evidence of other things that are all around us.
Beastt17 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Your strength is in your BELIEF. A study on chronic arm pain showed experimental acupuncture to be more effective than the medication being tested. Of 266 people 25%experienced side-effects with the acupuncture against 31% of those on the medication. Three of those on the medication suffered so severely, that they were forced to drop out of the study.
This is significant because none of the subjects received any medication or acupuncture, but they BELIEVED they did.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Thanks for proving my point, when we believe we can overcome reality!
The Bible clearly states this-"Faith is being sure of what you hope for, and certain of what you cannot see."
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
No, you don't overcome reality, you simply deny reality. Reality will still affect you. If you have a physical ailment, the ailment doesn't go away. You simply become less prone to perceiving the results of the ailment. If you have plugged coronary arteries, your risk of death doesn't decline. Only your perception of the risk declines. And when the occlusion worsens, you die. You can't escape reality, but you can enter a state of denial. It's not healthy, but that's what religion is.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Have you ever looked in to the studies that show how much better people of faith do after and before operations?
How about all the documentation of diseases commplety disappearing?
There is plenty of evidence I guess it just depends on what we are looking for.
You find what you want to find, and I find what I want to find.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
There is sometimes a slight benefit to having a calm, tranquil outlook which is slightly more prevalent in theists (ignorance is bliss), than in those who don't think God is going to come to their rescue.
Perhaps you should look into the STEP project where a small control group who knew they were being prayed for actually suffered a statistically greater number of complications in their recoveries than those not prayed for. God playing a trick at their expense perhaps?
Beastt17 2 years ago
I find it interesting that you admit to God, when in the 1% time that something bad happens that he exist!?
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
I'm not sure if you're addressing this to me or not. If you are, then let me assure you that you have misunderstood. I'm not suggesting that God actually exists. But I can make observations concerning the character of God, as presented in the Bible, just as I can make references to the character of Captain Hook in the novel 'Peter Pan' without believing he actually exists.
Beastt17 2 years ago
I do not do acupuncture, but I am certified in acupresure, and I want to know how can you fake acupuncture?
I can see giving someone a suger pill as a fake.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Actually, cornstarch is inert in the body while sugar isn't. So they used cornstarch pressed into pills and retracting needles for the acupuncture. You can read about the test here.
sciencereport. net/ 2006/ 04/ 16/ which-works-better-pretend-acupuncture-or-sugar-pills
(remove the spaces)
Beastt17 2 years ago
jesuskopp
Mr McDowell is either a liar or an idiot. In some of his videos he goes on and on about the 'bibliographical test'. He talks about copies and copies of copies and how accurate the resulting copy might be. His point is to claim that what is in the Bible today, is a true and accurate copy of the original manuscript. But we already know this isn't true. We know, for instance, that the earliest manuscript of Mark's gospel, didn't have any of the last 12-verses it has now. They were added.
Beastt17 2 years ago
When speaking of Mr McDowell I think it is important to point out that he was trying to prove the bible wrong because he had a anger against God. After he started studing, He found that bible was true and found a faith in Christ. I think the reader should veiw some of his youtube videos and make their own opinion.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Then Mr. McDowell is an idiot. If anyone wants to show that the Bible is wrong, they need do no more than test the first 15-verses, in which there are 4 gargantuan and easily demonstrated false claims. The Bible is a literary joke, filled with superstitions, false claims, fallacies and borrowed fictional tales. I've viewed some of his videos and formed my opinion. He lies, he diverts, he's divisive, dishonest and evasive. He talks around the issues instead of addressing them.
Beastt17 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
Not only were those last 12-verses added, but they were added decades after Mark's manuscript was written. And those 12-verses contain EVERYTHING Mark's gospel claims about the resurrection and ascension. And they weren't added by the original author. Mark died around 69 AD and his writings post-date the death of Jesus by at least 25-years. So what's in the Bible today is an obvious and irrefutable forgery. Josh McDowell tells everyone it's an accurate copy. The scholars know better.
Beastt17 2 years ago
jesuskopp,
What Josh McDowell does is to take one tiny piece of evidence and then begin talking about a testing method, He embellishes his information to extend his information and eventually, he ends up proclaiming the Bible to be accurate. But he bypasses the facts, he bypasses the rest of the information. And he does this because it would argue against the point (and money), he's trying to make. We don't know the author for any of the major four gospels. We don't have a single original.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Science is a joke. I'm suppose to believe that we evolved from a single cell organism and despite all your PROOF, you have not been able to map us all back to a single cell organism. I'm suppose to believe we came from a single cell organism and yet Science has no idea how a single cell organism could have formed. Spontanous Generation and Abiogenesis have both been proven false. You have no idea how DNA or RNA were created and you want to talk to me about lack of evidence...what a joke!
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
Shall we count your errors? We have many theories of abiogenesis and a "theory" is a complex concept which is consistent will ALL known pertinent evidence. God can't even qualify as a hypothesis. Abiogenesis has NOT been proven false. We have many ideas on how spontaneous self-assembly of nucleotides could lead to a sub-set of TNA. Evolution then takes TNA to RNA, and RNA to DNA, though we don't have all of the steps. You don't have ANY demonstrable steps - just an assertion of "magic".
Beastt17 2 years ago
JDAM93,
Science isn't a joke. You simply don't understand science. You want it to present absolute truths and "proofs". You even state science presents "proofs". That's among the worst failings of your understanding. Science doesn't present, accept, utilize or produce "proof". Proof is an unattainable, imaginary concept. Science produces the best explanation for a concept, based on the evidence. Your inability to grasp evolution isn't the failure of evolution, it's your simplistic mentality.
Beastt17 2 years ago
There is no guide book to turn to that says "When Christians and scientist disagree on what proof is, the following definition will be applied." You're right about what science does and I accept that for a science field. But to use science as the standard in which everything else will be measured, I don't have to accept that much like you do not have to accept God. I can still go be a firefighter or a lawyer or a fisherman. Call me symplistic mentality but my life will go on.
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
The difference between science and religion is that science produces real, measurable, testable conclusions. And science doesn't subscribe to the concept of "proof", nor do I (aside from maths). Do you accept the functionality of the Internet? Do you deny that science brought us that ability? Religion brings us claims and promises devoid of demonstrable veracity and demands our belief without conclusive or even objective supporting evidence. Religion is demonstrably wrong and harmful.
Beastt17 2 years ago
I love science and what it brings to the table. We just had an ultra sound 2 wks ago. Unlike the first one were we had to get it on VHS, we got this one on DVD :) The point is this, I am curious to just what we can accomplish as humans because I believe God made us pretty spectacular. It's just that for me God is at the center showing us His wonders and for others, we're just seeing wonders. I don't debate anymore because people choose what they want to believe and I am ok with that.
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
You're simply adding a level that is neither appropriate nor evidenced. There is no evidence for God, yet you give God credit for the accomplishments of man. God didn't do the years of experimentation, thought, trial and error, intent observation and applied intellect which brought us technology like video tape, optical discs and sonic imaging. Man did it all. It makes no more sense to pass the credit on to God than to pass the credit on to the Great White Worm that controls the galaxy.
Beastt17 2 years ago
In football you have a game plan and execution. It's the coaches job to come up with the game plan and ensure the players know how to execute. Once the game starts it's up to the players to execute. Not giving God credit for the W is like players not giving coaches credit for a good game plan and making sure they were ready to execute.
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
The foot players can all show their coach exists. He's visible, palpable, audible, testable and confirmable. Now.. if you have a football game among a group of children and there wasn't any coach, then the team that won gave credit to their invisible, inaudible, impalpable, untestable, unconfirmable sideline coach, the analogy would be correct. Such children would be said to be in need of counseling and no less so if they still believed in their unevidenced coach as adults.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Let's get to the cold hard facts of who we are as humans. We have free will. I can choose to do anything I want to. Whether or not I'm successfull is irrelevant. I can choose to drop A-bombs to end wars, fly planes into buildings, I can even choose to drive drunk if I want to. What this means to you is that you have chosen to live in a world in which science is used to explain everything. I choose not to except that. Isn't free will great :)
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
I don't know, is free-will all that great? Isn't free-will what gives people the ability to believe that they're the King of Atlantis, having tea with the God Mercury? Or is it? Can you actually CHOOSE what you believe? If you wanted to, could you wake up tomorrow and choose to believe you live on the planet Neptune? Are do you believe that of which you have been convinced? We can make choices. But we should choose carefully and not make choices only to serve emotional wants.
Beastt17 2 years ago
JDAM93,
Can you choose to remember the answers to your physics final... even when you can't remember them? And what does free-will have to do with the topic? People assert that free-will is provided by God but that's inverse logic. If a river flows freely, it's not because a dam exists which has chosen to allow the river to flow. It's because no dam exists. By the same token, free-will is evidence that God doesn't exist, not evidence that he does.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Uhm I told you earlier I can choose to do anything but whether or not I am successful is another subject.
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
Yes, I read your assertion that your level of success is another subject. I disagree. You can't truly choose to do that which you can't do. The idea is illogical and somewhat absurd. You can't choose to be Elvis Presely. You can't choose to be a tree. You can't choose to be 8-feet tall. You can want any of those things but you can't actually choose them. So you're wrong and your ability to succeed DOES matter.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Here's what free will has to do with the topic and allow me to break it down for you because I thought I was pretty clear but maybe it got lost in the niceness of my post. So I will be clear from here on out.
JDAM93 2 years ago
You cannot fathom the idea of God. You cannot even entertain the possibility of if he existed. As a result of that you've shown me how closed minded you are. See I have been open minded. I can entertain the idea of a world with no God. I die and nothing happens. I probably wouldn't even know I was dead. My life dosn't change. But you, to entertain the idea of God in any one science theory would rock your science field. Who refuses to be objective in there approach now?
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93, - RE: "You cannot fathom the idea of God."
Hold it. Back up, re-group and re-think. I was a devout theist for 33-years. I often thought out the concept of God, made my own discoveries and discussed my findings and beliefs. So I'm not closed minded. And if you've never been an atheist, then there is far more to support the idea that you're the close-minded one. But while I'm not close-minded, I do filter what I accept and I do so on a rational basis - which lead to atheism.
Beastt17 2 years ago
So when you read a fact like the Permian-Triassic event wiped out about 90% of the species did you just blow off Isiah 45:18which says "For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens, who is God, who formed the earth and made it, who established it, Who did not create it in vain, who formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord and there is no other." Not that the event didn't happen but the fact that earth survived and according to science these events have wiped out life on other planets.
JDAM93 2 years ago
JDAM93,
I would suggest you're the one "blowing off" Isaiah 45:18 which has everything to do with creating Earth to be inhabited, while the Permian-Triassic period has to do with that habitation being reduced by 90%. Why would God do that? Why created so many creatures just to then allow them to become extinct? It seems a very poor way of promoting habitation. Yet evolution and natural events account for the event without contradiction and without the need to distort ideas to make them fit.
Beastt17 2 years ago