@iamasherful Simply because they violated copyrights. Not sure if they intended to or not but that's what they did and youtube has 0 tolerance for that sort of thing.
Eh..(I don't mean to offend you) I would be more impressed if this was an authentic city, without all the mods and extra tiles. Mods are flashy, but other than that, they serve zero purpose, unless they provide commercial/industry jobs. I admit I do use mods to provide commercial jobs, but I use the Empire State Building/CN Tower/etc., and the city looks all around more authentic.
@haljackey yeah ive been to the simtropolis exchange and downloaded some stuff but i never found roundabouts... could you possibly give me the link? thanks for your feedback :)
If you have the NAM, simply drag a 2x2 circle of road. The 4 corners will turn into a roundabout. 2x2 will also work for streets. 3x3 for one way roads, and 4x4 for avenues but those have to be plopped.
@haljackey at 3:36 what's that blue building with a pointy roof???? your city is amazing, if only a Sim City 5 would come out with this kind of building :(
Yo dude! nice city...i wanna ask u how do you make those mass transit works??becoz everytime i build the train station ..it wont works for me coz nobody uses it...so i hope u can giveme some tips on how to make trainsit works....thanks
goshhhh.. that's a very long time T-T... and i thought i could do it withint 3 days or a week :c ... did u play everyday? T-T... my building are turning black and no one lives there anymore.. what should i do :c should i lower the tax ?.. and some of the bldgs like the country club doesnt provide jobs and hasno workers..why do you think so?
@86vahe86 I use thousands of add-ons, and thus my plugins folder is several gigabites, No (free) site on the net will allow me to upload something of that size. Plus there are many negative underlying factors with making torrents/downloads of many plugins... call it copyright infringement if you will.
@haljackey OK thanks anyways, I'll try to download it, just one final question. The London's egg-like building, can you remember where from did you download it? or what is its addon name? I've searched on the web with its correct name but found nothing. thank you
@86vahe86 I'm not sure if it'll help but the buildings name is 30 St Mary Axe if I'm correct Gherkin and the Swiss Re Building are it's other names hope it helps :D
wow i have a lot to learn. i have so far about 8 connecting cities, i have a monorail running through them, subways, and just started a highway between 3 of them, do you have any tips to start implementing commuter rail? it looks incredibly intimidating that's why i've never started it.
I find that from right clicking on the shortcut? because i cant seem to find the -l:english -Intro:off -CustomResolution:enabled -r1920x1200 a the end....
With the GLR in avenue/road mod, can you still grow buildings (RCI - not landmarks) on them? Also a beautiful city - my cities are always not as nice, as hard as i try! My sky scraper districts always turn into a mangled jungle with some parks.
do you know how to make a region easily without doing god tools? someone said something about a grayscale image made with photoshop, but i have no idea how to make a region with that. please help!
Simtropolis has the largest exchange, The STEX, with lots of buildings and mods, as well as active forums. SC4 Devotion is home to the LEX, which has a smaller number of high quality buildings. SimPeg is a site that hosts only buildings/mods made by pegasus, and his stuff is used by almost all good players.
Oh, that's simple. There are a lot of tutorials on Simtropolis, but it doesn't need it. Simply download the file (you will need winrar or 7zip to do so) put in your plugins folder, at my documents/simcity4/plugins and put the contents of the rar/zip into the folder and voila! Many larger downloads, such as NAM have installers in the file, which you just double click on to use
Ok got my disk and some of the add ons look perfect but some are missing features,like the large rail yard is missing track or is not showing on the screen at all. Some of the buildings look like they are packaged wrapped in brown paper. What can I do to correct this?
Looks like you have some missing plugins that's making the lots incomplete. Make sure you install the dependency files the plugins need in order to avoid texture issues and wrapped boxes.
eventhough its just a game, but it is very good for children who has the ambition to be an architect to train themselves to be more creative in planning and architecturing.
Hey, nice vid :D, you probably read this quetions a hundred times but i didnt want to look trough al the posts :P, but how you get those "bulletstrains" ?
That's awesome. The trains are funny at the beginning :) Weird that the el rail changed to monorail at 1:19 btw..
Did you place to video next to eachother or something? I wouldn't know how, but that little thing you can click on to get this view instead of all the menus (wtf is that thing called??) is somewhere around the middle, how did you get it there?
That's awesome. And how should I use the 'trick' you mentioned before again? Some vids at YouTube or some other website I can find a 'tut'? I wouldn't really know words I could search for.. 'custom resolution for Sim City' perhaps?
"C:\Program Files\Maxis\SimCity 4\Apps\SimCity 4.exe" to -CustomResolution:enabled -r1920x1200
Change that 1920x1200 to whatever your desktop resolution is for normal play. Change it to a 16:9 ratio for recording (in this case, 1920x1200 would be 1920x1080).
That's the bullet train mod, which replaces the monorail. No textures have been made for bullet train over light rail, so it looks a little funky. In time a texture will be made as it is always a work in progress.
I love making cities that rely on public transport
Devils6Little6Bitch6 4 months ago
i want that pointy building @ 3:33
shaddorry 4 months ago
@iamasherful Simply because they violated copyrights. Not sure if they intended to or not but that's what they did and youtube has 0 tolerance for that sort of thing.
haljackey 6 months ago
@iamasherful Because they violated copyrights.
haljackey 6 months ago
So should I like this because it's so good, or dislike because it's making me jealous? I'll just like it.
newchihuahua 6 months ago
Its pretty good but its too much of a mess.
RefreshChannel 7 months ago
I was driving to work in your city this morning and this rail car came flying off the elevated rail in front of me....
Cypherus21 7 months ago
Mass Transit??????? More like Death Transit! All of those poor people on those trains :)
JD27076 8 months ago 3
You have a lot of patience if you did all that with the puzzle pieces. (God, they are so inefficient!)
deathhog 8 months ago
cool game!!!
timmit75 8 months ago
cool game
timmit75 8 months ago
how do you put trains on the tracks?
9yearoldtrashman 9 months ago
@9yearoldtrashman The trains go on the track themselves, you don't control it. (assuming it is a functional system.
deathhog 8 months ago
Awesome tramway system!!!! And what is the name for the train skin so I can download it when my computer resets? Please answer.
Aus0862 9 months ago
@Aus0862 Its on Simtropolis. Don't remember its name though, I have it.
deathhog 8 months ago
0:07 amtrak
the1thatgotirwin 9 months ago
your a careless train conductor
jeffreyviera12345678 11 months ago
Your train has issues lol is that the BART train?
Exla357 1 year ago
how get you so big city
jari01071990 1 year ago
that must be a lot af money to pull that off
MrPadrino123 1 year ago
Eh..(I don't mean to offend you) I would be more impressed if this was an authentic city, without all the mods and extra tiles. Mods are flashy, but other than that, they serve zero purpose, unless they provide commercial/industry jobs. I admit I do use mods to provide commercial jobs, but I use the Empire State Building/CN Tower/etc., and the city looks all around more authentic.
98monkey2 1 year ago
why are your cities so good?
And how much time do you need to build a city like this?
Please answer
Marcel40764 1 year ago 4
@Marcel40764 You need a lot of mods and tile. Trial and error is tedious too.
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey That statement is incorrect. I have built a (somewhat) similar City in minimum tile size.
deathhog 8 months ago
i cant find a mod for roundabouts... can someone please tell me where to find it? thx
academylife 1 year ago
@academylife It's part of the Network Addon Mod (NAM) downloadable from Simtropolis or SC4Devotion
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey yeah ive been to the simtropolis exchange and downloaded some stuff but i never found roundabouts... could you possibly give me the link? thanks for your feedback :)
academylife 1 year ago
@academylife Like I said it's in the NAM.
If you have the NAM, simply drag a 2x2 circle of road. The 4 corners will turn into a roundabout. 2x2 will also work for streets. 3x3 for one way roads, and 4x4 for avenues but those have to be plopped.
haljackey 1 year ago
Mods make simcity 4 better and even with zero mods is 100 times better then simcity society
Berend009 1 year ago
Did you use any mods for this city
TVSalamence 1 year ago
@TVSalamence dozens.
haljackey 1 year ago
I asked you before about the NAM and how it wasn't working, but now i realized every mod that has a setup won't work :/
aspec100 1 year ago
flying train?
TheNeonTide 1 year ago
can you german i cam outh germany i can noth so good english i have a frage an you from your stadt
pupskappele 1 year ago
what's the song name?
Indestructible229 1 year ago
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Kyukanbun 1 year ago
@haljackey could i have a link to the elevated train mod u use? Thanks
samness7 1 year ago
Join the simcity group at palringo.com .this is a new group created today.so there's not ganna be a lot of members.
THisITprouductions 1 year ago
@THisITprouductions That's thinking positive.
:P
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey at 3:36 what's that blue building with a pointy roof???? your city is amazing, if only a Sim City 5 would come out with this kind of building :(
Indestructible229 1 year ago
Yo dude! nice city...i wanna ask u how do you make those mass transit works??becoz everytime i build the train station ..it wont works for me coz nobody uses it...so i hope u can giveme some tips on how to make trainsit works....thanks
MrDevilmage 1 year ago
@MrDevilmage You need at least two stations for them to work. The simplist way is put one in a residential area and another in a commercial area.
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey Yah i did but it didnt get any usage of it..maybe i should built to next city??
MrDevilmage 1 year ago
goshhhh.. that's a very long time T-T... and i thought i could do it withint 3 days or a week :c ... did u play everyday? T-T... my building are turning black and no one lives there anymore.. what should i do :c should i lower the tax ?.. and some of the bldgs like the country club doesnt provide jobs and hasno workers..why do you think so?
riygoa 1 year ago
how many days did u took u to make this city?
riygoa 1 year ago
@riygoa Close to a year.
haljackey 1 year ago
sick city u hav there XD
kohjx422 1 year ago
@haljackey i admire your transit system in all your systems especially your hsr
Thesimcity4fanatic 1 year ago
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Thesimcity4fanatic 1 year ago
Now only if New York City was like this.
JFAmerican 1 year ago
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Could you please do me a favour? Could you zip or rar your plugin folder and send it to me? if it is ok for you..
86vahe86 1 year ago
Could you please do me a favour? Could you zip or rar your plugin folder and send it to me? if it is ok for you..
86vahe86 1 year ago
@86vahe86 I use thousands of add-ons, and thus my plugins folder is several gigabites, No (free) site on the net will allow me to upload something of that size. Plus there are many negative underlying factors with making torrents/downloads of many plugins... call it copyright infringement if you will.
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey OK thanks anyways, I'll try to download it, just one final question. The London's egg-like building, can you remember where from did you download it? or what is its addon name? I've searched on the web with its correct name but found nothing. thank you
86vahe86 1 year ago
@86vahe86 After a long search, nothing turned up here as well. I hope it wasn't deleted! I'll let you know if I find it.
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey thank you
86vahe86 1 year ago
@86vahe86 I'm not sure if it'll help but the buildings name is 30 St Mary Axe if I'm correct Gherkin and the Swiss Re Building are it's other names hope it helps :D
TechnoRaver94 1 year ago
hi... Could you please send me all that beautiful add-ons you have in your city? or is there a pack I can download all together?
thank you.
86vahe86 1 year ago
@86vahe86 Nope, they were all downloaded separately. Good places to start include Simtropolis and SC4devotion.
haljackey 1 year ago
@haljackey could you please do me a favour? could you zip or rar your plugin folder and send it to me. of course if it is ok for you..
86vahe86 1 year ago
@DCFilmsStudio well, which one? You can drive elevated trains in the Rush Hour expansion pack or deluxe additions, no downloads needed.
haljackey 1 year ago
@DCFilmsStudio How? By downloading it.
haljackey 1 year ago
wait wait how can you drive the subway/el train i cant but cant you like how?? how your doing right now in the videwo how do you that?
muz469 1 year ago
@muz469 You need at least one elevated rail/light rail station in your city and some track...
haljackey 1 year ago
tram looks so cool in you cities, why did you delete gtr from st?
SimCity4IE 1 year ago
@SimCity4IE I am in the process of closing the book on the GTR. I haven't updated it in forever.
All remaining content is found in the "Archived MDs" section on SC4D, which will be completed this week.
haljackey 1 year ago
great city!
MrLammbrav 1 year ago
wow i have a lot to learn. i have so far about 8 connecting cities, i have a monorail running through them, subways, and just started a highway between 3 of them, do you have any tips to start implementing commuter rail? it looks incredibly intimidating that's why i've never started it.
tylertyler82 1 year ago
how do you run at such a high resolution with out it looking stretched?
gozac123 1 year ago
In order for widescreen to work without it being stretched, you have to change the shortcut's path on the desktop.
It should look like: "C:\Program Files\Maxis\SimCity 4\Apps\SimCity 4.exe" -l:english -Intro:off -CustomResolution:enabled -r1920x1200
Change those last numbers to your monitor's best resolution. For youtube videos, change to a 16:9 resolution (1280x720 or 1920x1080) for best results.
haljackey 1 year ago
I find that from right clicking on the shortcut? because i cant seem to find the -l:english -Intro:off -CustomResolution:enabled -r1920x1200 a the end....
thanks!
gozac123 1 year ago
@gozac123 No, you add that code.
haljackey 1 year ago
Looks like the flying cars in "The Fifth Element" when the cars are seen through the buildings.
sparrowhawk07 1 year ago
How in the name of Charlton Heston do you get your cities to look so roomy tidy and beautiful?
Arianyr 1 year ago 13
With the GLR in avenue/road mod, can you still grow buildings (RCI - not landmarks) on them? Also a beautiful city - my cities are always not as nice, as hard as i try! My sky scraper districts always turn into a mangled jungle with some parks.
Anc0raz 1 year ago 9
Yes, it still functions as a road network. Thanks a lot!
haljackey 1 year ago
@Anc0raz
Yes, but you cannot grow residential tiles on the GLR station area.
sega31098 1 year ago
This is SICK! Great mods! Gives it a futuristic look. Where did you get the mods?
Gavinvox742 1 year ago
Most of the mods I use are from Simtropolis and SC4devotion.
haljackey 1 year ago
sweet city.
man i miss playing cs4...
i had to uninstall it because it was messing up my computer.
oh well.,.
luciferiexcelsil 1 year ago
great mods!
jdfatcatsam 1 year ago
I like your cities! hehe
fiumens 2 years ago
how do u have a large city and have room for parks ands rail?
calegaea75432 2 years ago
I guess I just plan for it. It can't all be sprawl and skycraper forests.
haljackey 2 years ago
the best my 300k city has is a central park and a monorial
but most of the buildings are dead cause of the citie's lack of jobs and demand all its neibors have been fillled
calegaea75432 2 years ago
i got NAM just cant find the light rail stations to put on ground light rail.
skeezzy 2 years ago
NAM doesn't come with any stations.
haljackey 2 years ago
where can i find the ones you have for your glr?
skeezzy 2 years ago
Simtropolis and Simcity4devotion
haljackey 2 years ago
Nice city you have there. You must have spent ages working on it.
Also 0:58 - you wait ages for one, then 3 come along at once.
Mal1024 2 years ago
how did u create stations?
NitroglycerinStudios 2 years ago
do you know how to make a region easily without doing god tools? someone said something about a grayscale image made with photoshop, but i have no idea how to make a region with that. please help!
Grandboy3000 2 years ago
To haljackey... Where are you from, and how long do you play SC4??
cechly 2 years ago
THe city its just amazing... how did u build it...
elpelux 2 years ago
Hard to answer. I did use the Network Addon Mod (NAM) to build the light rail system.
haljackey 2 years ago
And pleas this song.. ??? the name is?
cechly 2 years ago
Shake it (Wideboys remix)
haljackey 2 years ago
Yes, but the singer.. ??? Do you know?
cechly 2 years ago
The Outhere Brothers..???
cechly 2 years ago
yes
haljackey 2 years ago
badass
MegaJtrain 2 years ago
1:47?
MrMoney1494 2 years ago
Just having some fun :P
haljackey 2 years ago
1:24?
MrMoney1494 2 years ago
Where did you get that addon?
TheGreenCheekConure 2 years ago
I use thousands of addons. Which one?
haljackey 2 years ago
Damn nice city lol
ufatpeople 2 years ago
dang, thats some mass **** transit i need to know how to make all the grass so green ? plz help
graysenness 2 years ago
howd u make it go to street level?
jshawn777 2 years ago
Nice city, it must have a heavy trafic problems!
what's the name of the song?
seryomr 2 years ago
how did you get the light rail?
ferman625 2 years ago
Dang, this looks so much better than Rush Hour...
SeekayFilms 2 years ago
u should play move bitc_ cuz u keep on plowing through
graning3317 2 years ago
I dont get it? Im missing the point....
Rettob01 2 years ago 2
Cool! Nice City to!!!!!! =)
ellara93 2 years ago 2
nice video
skippy9871 2 years ago
someone is in a rush OUTA MY WAY lol
padawan301 2 years ago
so long
TheAceshowbiz 2 years ago
Train fails. lol Nice job dude
MBG141 2 years ago
That's not commuter rail, it's light rail.
Coastergeekperson04 2 years ago
where can i downlad some new buildings?! cuz i cant downlad from official site....plz help!
toni2526 2 years ago
Simtropolis has the largest exchange, The STEX, with lots of buildings and mods, as well as active forums. SC4 Devotion is home to the LEX, which has a smaller number of high quality buildings. SimPeg is a site that hosts only buildings/mods made by pegasus, and his stuff is used by almost all good players.
Thewisedaz 2 years ago
i know...but i dont know ow to instal them
toni2526 2 years ago
Oh, that's simple. There are a lot of tutorials on Simtropolis, but it doesn't need it. Simply download the file (you will need winrar or 7zip to do so) put in your plugins folder, at my documents/simcity4/plugins and put the contents of the rar/zip into the folder and voila! Many larger downloads, such as NAM have installers in the file, which you just double click on to use
Thewisedaz 2 years ago
thx i will try
toni2526 2 years ago
Thanks for the info on how to add the addons...
stltrainlover 2 years ago
glad to be of service!
Thewisedaz 2 years ago
A quick question do you have to put the pics that are in some of the files in the plugin file also?
stltrainlover 2 years ago
Not usually. However, it would probably be best to extract the whole file into the plugins folder
Thewisedaz 2 years ago
You can also delete the pictures to reduce the filesize of your plugins folder. That's what I do most of the time.
haljackey 2 years ago
Ok thanks for the info. I will know if it worked soon as my replacement disk gets here..
stltrainlover 2 years ago
Ok got my disk and some of the add ons look perfect but some are missing features,like the large rail yard is missing track or is not showing on the screen at all. Some of the buildings look like they are packaged wrapped in brown paper. What can I do to correct this?
stltrainlover 2 years ago
Looks like you have some missing plugins that's making the lots incomplete. Make sure you install the dependency files the plugins need in order to avoid texture issues and wrapped boxes.
haljackey 2 years ago
bah, ninja'd
Thewisedaz 2 years ago
Just put them in documents/sim city 4/plugins
SimCity4IE 2 years ago
u crazy on 0:07 - 1:29 - 1:43 - 2:28 - 3:14lol
GenericSlick 2 years ago
I've been in the building at 1:43
bluewolfer 2 years ago
Well ... the trams of the conflict? (Transportation is in order, it's really good. ^ ^)
KangYonggu 2 years ago
is this train an add-on?
Nice video and music! =D
whatislife67 2 years ago
Yes, it's a re-skin of the default El-Train one, download at Simtropolis
Thewisedaz 2 years ago
waz yur city on a cheat mode
gdude123456789mc 2 years ago
IDK
gdude123456789mc 2 years ago
@ 0:00
the tower in the left of yourcity the brown one with the black grade roof.
(middle in the back)
is that a maxis default building ( it stands on the CD box of Sc4 Deluxe, or a downloaded building?
AtomicFreerun 2 years ago
Maxis made it (4x4 and squished) but it is not to scale.
It has been remade to proper dimensions (3x3 and steeper) which is the one I use. I found it on one of the public exchanges... I'm thinking STEX.
haljackey 2 years ago
eventhough its just a game, but it is very good for children who has the ambition to be an architect to train themselves to be more creative in planning and architecturing.
ceyhan49 2 years ago
I see it as more of a game, or a hobby. Its unlike any other video game out there.
haljackey 2 years ago
If you read the description it says he sped it up to keep things interesting.
brett9917 2 years ago
the high definition is bad! it keeps slowing down. it took me forever to finish watching this, but it was a good video.
RobotChickenGuy98 2 years ago
Well HD generally take longer to load. If you have a slower connection watch in SD or give the video some time to buffer in HD.
haljackey 2 years ago
what the song? I like it
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
lol* what's the song, sry lol
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
Get out of here Brnout!! Go back to FC!! lol
brett9917 2 years ago
haha- what's ur FC name?
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
wow, a beautiful city, i love it, congratulations
carolespia 2 years ago 3
If comments are not constructive or about the video, I WILL delete them. Find another place to be an arce.
haljackey 2 years ago
Where did you get all those stadium mods?
LetsJamFunk 2 years ago
From just about every SC4 site out there.
haljackey 2 years ago
I actually like this song; what's it called?
futurama2506 2 years ago
Hey, nice vid :D, you probably read this quetions a hundred times but i didnt want to look trough al the posts :P, but how you get those "bulletstrains" ?
JoJo16021993 2 years ago
You mean the bullet train mod? Search "Bullet train" or "BTM" on the SC4 Wiki for info and a link.
haljackey 2 years ago
: /
for some reason, the mod got deleted - I hope APTX re-uploads it soon
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
Nope, its up there. Just follow the link on the Wiki.
haljackey 2 years ago
That's an awesome city, and I've gotta say, That's an awful train glitch.
futurama2506 2 years ago
Yeah, but it adds to the fun of the video :P.
haljackey 2 years ago
That's awesome. The trains are funny at the beginning :) Weird that the el rail changed to monorail at 1:19 btw..
Did you place to video next to eachother or something? I wouldn't know how, but that little thing you can click on to get this view instead of all the menus (wtf is that thing called??) is somewhere around the middle, how did you get it there?
ErwinNegentig 2 years ago
That's a bullet train line, not el-rail. No texture has been made for it passing over GLR-in ave, so it defaults to monorail.
No, I record in 16:9, and that way it shows up widescreen here without any stretching.
haljackey 2 years ago
are the commute times for bullet train much lower than elevated rail?
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
yes, it is 3x faster than el-rail. The mod completely replaces the monorail network.
haljackey 2 years ago
That's awesome. And how should I use the 'trick' you mentioned before again? Some vids at YouTube or some other website I can find a 'tut'? I wouldn't really know words I could search for.. 'custom resolution for Sim City' perhaps?
ErwinNegentig 2 years ago
Type this into SC4's target shortcut.
"C:\Program Files\Maxis\SimCity 4\Apps\SimCity 4.exe" to -CustomResolution:enabled -r1920x1200
Change that 1920x1200 to whatever your desktop resolution is for normal play. Change it to a 16:9 ratio for recording (in this case, 1920x1200 would be 1920x1080).
haljackey 2 years ago
Where'd u get the bike lanes - I remember seeing it as a plugin one day but I cant find it anymore
herenthere 2 years ago
See the link in the description, and go to the last page of the thread. I provided a direct link to the Bike lanes in a comment.
haljackey 2 years ago
nice ramming! (Hope you don't get that many lawsuits from your sims :D)
herenthere 2 years ago
at 3:04 , what did you use to make the people? I heard one guy downloaded a plaza and it came with it or something?
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
can I ask where you got the elevated rail texture?
great city, btw
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
Simtropolis, under Modds, Network Add On Mod (you need to make an account first)
herenthere 2 years ago
I have the NAM, but that's not what I'm asking tho- I mean the texture for the elevated rail train
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
Head over to the Simtropolis exchange and search "BART". You'll find it there.
haljackey 2 years ago
oh cool, thanks man I found it
do you remember what the name of the addon is that gives you the people on the plaza? It's the one at 3 mins
BrnoutJerzey 2 years ago
dude the second train car is way disconnected. Otherwise, NICE!
hoboz100 2 years ago
Yeah its a stupid graphical glitch, but adds some humour into this fun little video where everything else is smashing up. :P
haljackey 2 years ago
why are there monorail tracks connecting the elevated rail?
mfastx 2 years ago
That's the bullet train mod, which replaces the monorail. No textures have been made for bullet train over light rail, so it looks a little funky. In time a texture will be made as it is always a work in progress.
haljackey 2 years ago