Electrolysis of Water

[CRIndustries]

I don't think its a viable alternative for the energy 'crisis' as it saturates the environment with excess oxygen, So if there were loads of companies doing this around the world, it could potentially ignite the atmosphere, But what do I know i'm a noob :)

[7aJasmine730]

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[ChemBandicoot]

I plan on using electrolysis to produce a very pure sample of H2 for my element collection. :D

[pokeking190]

is the anod and catod strip is copper and zinc strip

[Super3794]

The 18 people who don't like this are probably Government Officials

[Super3794]

Why are the spoons all different sizes.

[emmettebrown]

can i do it with 230v. A.C. ?

[Super3794]

@emmettebrown Im not an expert but... I think that A.C power is very dangerous and sensitive to water. lol

[qrais]

you need more energy to produce H2 than the output

[0000furry]

Here is a question:

How much energy does 2 moles of Hydrogen plus 1 mole of Oxygen produce in a combustion process to produce H2O? Compare that to 1 mole of Gasoline? Can an HHO combustion system deliver enough energy to power a vehicle for one hour?

[ukatam]

@0000furry no point in comparing molar quantities as they are different weights, plus gasoline is a mixture a various hydrocarbons, so a mole of it doesnt quite exist

[bmonstrosity]

Assuming that this would work in a car, how much voltage do you think it would take to produce enough hydrogen to sustain an automobile?

[aRANDOMcritic]

if i put a toaster in mi bathtub with bakein soda will it work

[mousaey]

The best electrodes to use are graphite rods, they don't corrode.

[27sandeep27]

excuse me sir how much amount of hydrogen can be produced according to this method

[Techrave1]

@27sandeep27 depends how long u run it for

[27sandeep27]

@Techrave1 does it depends on the amount of stainless steel which is used?

[HybridWaterMan2]

We like to fill up plastic drinking bottles with this hho gas and light it with a rubber cork and BBQ igniter. Depending on the bottle and how hard you put it on the cork, it either becomes a rocket or explodes for a very loud bang!

[printz150]

If I work the same experiment as yours, but without a balloon, are there risks for hydrogen accumulating and staying in the ceiling?

The water I was trying to electrify had a significant amount of NaCl. The anode was a regular stainless steel spoon. I was noticing that a yellow liquid was forming near the anode. Could that be the product of Fe + Cl2 reaction, therefore the spoon was slowly decaying?

[lewisadams42850]

BTW you dont need sodium hydroxide (NaOH)

you can use common salt (NaCl)

the reason for this is, is salt and sodium hydroxide both break up into ions when dissolved in the water it is these ions that can carry the charge.

NaCl breaks up into Na+ ions and Cl- ions

NaOH breaks up into Na+ ions and OH- ions (hydroxide ion)

as salt is a little easier to get hold of maybe a better choice lol

[LukaPoljak]

which electrodes are best for this

[Shadowycrafter]

So, what if you toss a lit match right after finishing the process?

[FutureComputing]

@Shadowycrafter b-b-b-boom.

[Str8JacketMafia]

Any toxicity or other problems if you use tri-sodium phosphate as a conductor?

[shidoink]

im sorry about finding your video 3 years late but if your still working with this in stead of trying to cool the water, you could use a thermometer that has a cut of pre set temp, its the same thing that keeps the hot plate in your coffee maker that keeps the hot plate from boiling your coffee

[europeandrifter]

that what fucking rubbish !

[g25a25c]

did u add salt to the water?

[JeepMan19007]

@g25a25c yes, he says that he added sodium hydroxide

[DaBearsOO54]

@JeepMan19007 that's not salt

[JeepMan19007]

@DaBearsOO54 your are correct. My mistake. Was th

[Wcoltd]

The only way to get a decent volumetric yeild out of pure hydrogen is to occlude it in palladium powder. palladium works like a sponge and collects hydrogen in the air, at its max, it is capable of absorbing over 800 volumes of hydrogen gas. The amazing thing about this is the density of hydrogen occluded in this palladium powder is far greater than the max density of solid hydrogen, it's analogous to having a wet towel, ringing it out and filling a bath tub with it.

[Wcoltd]

@Wcoltd In order to compare it to standard gasoline I compared it to the molecular density of hydrogen in pure octane, vs the max molecular density of hydrogen in hydrogen occluded in palladium powder and found that palladium powder was about 20% less dense than pure octane. The volumetric energy density is considerably less when you factor in energy from reactions of carbon and oxygen. After a rough estimate i would guess it would take about 2,000 troy ounces or roughly 1 million dollars worth.

[Wcoltd]

@Wcoltd that is, it would cost $1,000,000 roughly to fill up a gas tank with palladium powder, and the amount of energy compared with gasoline would probably be in the range of 70-75% It may well be possible however that there exists some combination of elements which can create a higher yield than palladium at a reduced cost. Generally however these amalgamations tend to be heavily concentrated with palladium. Also high absorption yields tend to occur at very high pressures.

[sorandom12645]

awesome thanks fro the new tips of next year's science project

[osakanone]

Pity there isn't a cooling system for both that pulls that heat off and uses it to reduce net loss.

[endlesssearchfor1]

excellent

[DaFawky]

hairy water

[frollard]

So, to get this straight, you drew 14v at max 10 amps (70-140 watts) for 3.5 minutes and got a little poof? The balloon bursting made more sound than the explosion. 4 watt hours of energy

...not exactly a lot of fuel to show for 14 kilojoules of input. It is in fact, exactly as much energy minus losses as you put in.

[airpower123]

actually, he drew 12 amps at 240 volts.

[frollard]

@airpower123 ...so you're saying that was ~2500 watts for 4 minutes? That would be a significantly bigger explosion. The amp rating of a charger is at the output side (low voltage) not the input side.

[SyKoChiK28]

@airpower123 Are you sure he was drawing from 240 VAC? Looked like 12 VDC battery charger. So his actually power usage would be 120 watts.

[Tspider4]

Nice,i'm gonna try this at home

[joey349harry]

Thats great a free energy!!!

[frollard]

@joey349harry There is no such thing as free energy. You get out EXACTLY what you put in.

[prandtl002]

N thats called Perpetual Machine of 1st and 2nd kind. Well said frollard.

[caudeerzik]

That is great, We can breath in pure Oxygen from this fabrication.

[sciencoking]

It´s not that easy... The anode produces not only oxygen, but also the same amount of hydrogen... So even if you store the hydrogen from the cathode in a different container, you won´t get pure oxygen from the anode...

and it´s very dificult to separate them...

[frollard]

@sciencoking You get a different gas at each electrode with DC...

You need an electrical path with separate collection areas for each gas to get separate gasses.

[sciencoking]

anode reaction:

OH- -> OH. + e-

OH. -> O: + H.

this twice produces 1 oxygen and 1 hydrogen molecule.

[frollard]

@sciencoking Sorry, I was discounting the existance of the OH electrolyte...

[sciencoking]

no problem... we´re still the smart part of earth´s human population :-)

It took me 4 years to figure out how electrolysis works (i was 11 and had no internet ^^)

[endlesssearchfor1]

you could have gone to any internat cafe

[sswin22]

so how do u get pure hydrogen or oxygen by their self?

[CharlieEthioOz]

Thanks for the beautiful demo.

It has definately opened my eyes on this topic.

Cheers mate!

[launchvehicle]

It's one way of doing it, there are also chemical methods of producing pure oxygen as well.

[Super3794]

@launchvehicle And hydrogen

[jellykelly696]

Is this how they make pure oxygen!?? Which is used for Oxy/Acetyline welding!

[perovic123]

This is nice. If u have problem with Exothermic heat in botle try to put botle into bin with cold water. That wil cool the solution in sell.

[launchvehicle]

My goal was not to find a source of FREE energy, but rather to explore different fuel sources. However, if electricity was provided from a carbon neutral source of energy, i.e. wind or solar power, and it was done on a large enough scale I believe it would have a positive environmental impact.

[leomar315]

@launchvehicle now that our world is experiencing a climate change, those belief of yours could make a big difference and thus we human beings could have a better and safer habitats...

[nexus1g]

@launchvehicle "However, if electricity was provided from a carbon neutral source of energy, i.e. wind or solar power,"

I know you posted this over a year ago, but have you come across the thought that there's no need for the middle man and just feed the wind power straight from the wind turbine? The jury's still out on whether solar power is really green or not so I won't mention that.

[Azarien]

This is NOT free energy. You use more energy to split water than you get from burning hydrogen. Simple electric motor would probably be more efficient.

[skavotajs5]

Could I slowly produce some HHO with 12V 2A small AA battery charger?  Whould that lower current also have the same risk of everheating charger?

[launchvehicle]

Yes you can make HHO from that power source, it'll take longer due to the lower current. It would take longer to overheat because of lower current, you might try having a fan blow directly on it to dissipate the heat and prolong the operation of your power source.

[skavotajs5]

Ok, Im starting to build my Hoffman voltameter to produce some H for small garbagebag zeppelin.

[SuperIby]

Awesome, post some videos of the finished product, sounds amazing

[winster626]

thanks for replying. I have opne more question though... Are the amps more important or the voltage? Nice vid by the way!

[firedude201234]

i believe amps?

[winster626]

what is the material of the spoons?

[launchvehicle]

Stainless steel.

[rruizanimations1]

@launchvehicle can i capture the hydrogen  and use it to make the balloon fly?

[9uitarman]

How can you convert the hydrogen and oxygen back into water?

[launchvehicle]

Burn it in a controlled fashion while allowing the flame to come into contact with something that the water can condense on (i.e. a metal plate.)

[MrJDdesign]

By using a fuel cell

[largegargoyle15]

When sodium is in the water... why is chlorine not being produced?

[launchvehicle]

I assume you mean sodium chloride (i.e. table salt) and not sodium hydroxide (lye). The answer is that chlorine is being produced at the positive electrode. If you let the process run long enough you will actually smell it! This is why, aside from being corrosive, that you don't use table salt as an electrolyte. Instead use baking soda or lye and oxygen will be made at the positive electrode instead of chlorine.

[mustermann20]

how many volts did you put on???

(im german)

[MegWorldUK]

10

volts :)

ich liebe deutsch :)

[mustermann20]

;-DD thanks

[loweylegend]

the heat problom i have seen people make a sort of raditor with coolants might work but hard to make.

[iwan0t0smith]

when i did this the crocodile clips i was using got eaten away, and changed colour

[loweylegend]

they were probly alimnuom or aloy wich corod easy

[Imanemadian]

This video answers lots of my questions. Thank you so much for your time :-)

[crapeeta]

Thanks for the video, the tips you gave are very helpful. It does generate a lot of heat. Is it possible to circulate the electrolyte solution through a radiator? But then there's positive pressure and a caustic solution inside the radiator. Pressure is ok in the radiator but maybe not the caustic soda which would probably eat holes in the thing. It seems like a circulating system could possibly be effective though, for industrial production.

[toxicfire]

Nice vid. for cooling you could place dry ice and 99% alcohol in a bottle then place your electrolysis bottle within the dry ice bottle, this will super cool it, im not sure if thatd have negative effects on it, i would try it but im still trying to get a amp/charger.

[feruwehr]

you can use a simplest battery from 9-12 or more Volts.Depending on size of the bottles.About the ice I am not sure but I think that iz wont efect.Make an experiment.With safety of course.

[pkeraoe]

About the arcing. First of all I don't think arcing would be a problem at all at such a low voltage (for reference, you will start seeing tiny sparks when 2 electrodes are rubbed against each-other at 12ish volts). Secondly, I was wondering how you covered the electrodes to prevent this.

[juancarlvi]

thanks for telling me where to find the battery charger i only need to know what i can use instead of salt that would really work

[launchvehicle]

You should be able to find one at an automotive supply store. If that is too expensive try a pawn shop.

[juancarlvi]

need help urgent need it for project where can i get the 10 amp battery charger for cheap. thank you for your helps

[snowboarddude117]

so many big words my had hurts now...

[stonefreeJMH]

What's a had? And how did you hurt it?! You might wanna get that checed out, dude.

[snowboarddude117]

seeeee they made my had hurt so bad that i cant type..lol

[feruwehr]

I think he means head......and I don't know what does that have to do with electrolyte and hydrogen.

[pinkhairkid]

try using table salt as the electrolyte and graphite electrodes

get the electrodes out of a carpentry pencil

[launchvehicle]

It's not a good idea to use table salt. Although you'll make plenty of hydrogen on the negative electrode, instead of oxygen at the positive one you'll have chlorine gas! Try using stainless steel for your electrodes. Yes, graphite from pencil lead works, but it breaks down quickly in such a hostile environment as it is held together only by clay.

[Machinima2013]

If you turn the lights off and set the balloon on fire it looks like a ball of floating fire (learned that in 8th grade)

[Retard0800]

anyone no how to extract sodium chlorate from weedkiller, got 53% sodium chlorate weedkiller.

[trey9440]

watch my videos i posted one on how to make sodium chlorate from tabble saly

[trey9440]

yo sry my spelling isnt that great because i got my computer got taken up by my parents so im using the WII to type stuff out

[trey9440]

duh hydrogen is liter than air but in side the balune there is2 oxygin for every 1 hydrogen also this property is tru becaus the positive side or the spoon makes twice as much oxygen than the negitive side that maks hydrogen lol its simple nineth grade science and im in 9inth lol

[Quake120]

Yes, this is ninth grade science, but obviously you haven't paid attention in your science (or English) class.

Water is H20. 2 hydrogen atoms, 1 oxygen atom.

The oxygen is attracted by the positive side (anode) because oxygen is negatively charged and opposites attract. Hydrogen is positively charged, so it is attracted by the negative side (cathode). You get twice as much hydrogen (H2) as oxygen (O), so the balloon(or 'balune' as you spelled it) is filled with more hydrogen than oxygen.

[Azarien]

If you have oxygen and hydrogen in 1:2 ratio, then what you have is a very dangerous explosive mixture. It will detonate if you try to burn it.

[SuperIby]

Agreed!

[track312]

yeah there are 2 Hydrogens for 1 Oxygen. Are you sure it's that simple? ;)

[trey9440]

lol my ba

and i think so its not that complicated :)

[avatarmage34]

Great demonstration, it was really helpful. Thanks

[billy17345]

try using baking soda tbspoon to gal distilled wont heat up so easy

[ryankend]

Is it possible to put the battery charger in a ice box?

[Sinneloa]

Sounds like he just described a hydrogen bomb.

[Quake120]

Two totally different things. He is just burning hydrogen and oxygen. A hydrogen bomb uses nuclear fusion. Too much to explain with the limited YouTube comments. Look it up on Wikipedia.

[feruwehr]

agreed

[jbaldwin343]

Another question, i thought it takes time for water to form with two gases, but is that true. Why doesn't water form in the ballon? or is there a small amount of water vapor? Do you see why I would think this?

[MegaSuperBadgerMan]

If you light a match(burn the hydrogen with the oxygen) that will make water, if you just leave it it stays as hydrogen and oxygen.

[jbaldwin343]

If i would need to isolate both the hydrogen and oxygen in the water, would i just have a container over the cathode and a separate container over the anode?

[Quake120]

Yes, that would work. As long as the water is touching both the anode and the cathode, you can put a container (test tube, etc) over the electrodes and collect the gasses.

[fletcho11]

try using a different eletrolite , like viniger

,run it at a lower amps , then you won't get a run away reaction caused by the heat , lye works great but it tends to ramp up the amps the hotter it gets ,all my cells put out way more at lower amps , I try to run 10 -15 amps ,baking soda or vinigar ...

[itsoundzgood]

cool

[Ishidasouken]

ok now, I have a couple of questions

for example:

- what material are the anode and cathode made of ? I read someone using normal stainless steal screws for both

- can you use lower currents live 12 V battery or stuff like that, with the effect that it only takes more time ?

- is it necessary to put something into the water, like you did ? I also heard of salt water ... or can you even use normal water ?

[launchvehicle]

The anode and cathode are made of food grade stainless steel. You can use a car battery, but it will eventually run down. What's important is the amps, the more you have the more gas you get. You need an electrolyte. Don't use salt! It corrodes the metal and makes chlorine gas at the positive electrode! Water by itself doesn't work, it won't conduct electricity well enough.

[Ishidasouken]

but I could use Sodium chloride aka. salt and graphit for the anode and cathode ? =P

it's in pencils so... easy to get :o

[cuteboymimmi]

How come the balloon does not float? i thought hydrogen was lighter than air and oxygen is only 1/3 of the balloon right?

[wxb200]

You should put the bottle into a bucket with dry ice and water to keep it cool...

[frizspin175]

great, 5*s!

[launchvehicle]

Watch the video again, I explained the reason the balloon changed color. it was due to a hole in the blue one. Lye (my electrolyte) is very caustic (it eats through things)

[wwtsniper]

Although i know this works, you know your gonna get comments stating this is fake cause of the pink balloon, don't you?