Just curious is this the english or american standard? Because the U.S. show bassets I've seen aren't as dramatized-some are even still used for hunting. I'm not sure if it's just the area I'm living in or the standard itself. thank you please reply.
Some of these Bassets are carrying far to much weight. They should be fit to work even if they are house pets. All that excess fat, loose skin is a nonsense. At least our dog was fit for purpose and not a lard bucket.
I would be tempted to cross some of these dogs with another breed, better healthy than suffering with various ailments and early death.
My Basset Hounds do not have that much excess skin, although their ears are delightfully long, they move well and quickly and are awesome trackers and hunters. Show Bassets have way too much skin and they are all overweight!
The poster of this may be exaggerating a bit, but is by no means wrong.. pure bred AKC bassets have two distinctly different lines, The conformation show line, and the field trial and hunting line.. The latter is much closer to the old basset style, about 20lb lighter, more athletic, and with less problems. I've had bassets 10 yrs and have 2 now, My bassets all have been pure breed from the field trial/hunting line. Still just as sweet and loving, and much more active.
got 10 bucks saying the commentator has never owned a basset hound. "Deformed dwarf"? u dont mess with basset hounds bitch, they are beautiful dogs. with that said, i used to have 2 bassets, one of them sadly died :( my point however is that one of them looked like the old ones and the other one looks like the new ones. interesting huh?
Sorry computer wigged out... ... Needs and owner who has the dog's best interest at heart - that sadly is not always someone who wants to win best in show every year!!
Having had Basset Hounds for 30 years, I can safely say that I've never had a hound that's developed back problems or arthritis - I have lost a hound to Wobblers Syndrome, but I'm reliably informed by my vet that this was a completely random genetic defect and not as a result of breeding. There are far more obvious examples of cruel breeding with dogs who can hardly breathe or that have such delicate skin that they suffer terrible breakouts and cracking... ! The Basset Hound is a very specialis
This is such bshit. The best example here is the example of how the media can distort reality. The historical dog shown has many structural problems that would prevent good movement that current bassets have been improved on, but they edited out that conversation. The ears being long has no effect OTHER than it gives them the ability to pick up scent on their ears which allows them to stay on the same game. Today's responsibly bred bassets are extremely healthy.
@MeSaraberry read the desription: "gives an idea of the suffering". thats some BS. all this said was told me was that the commentator hates bassets and that they use misinformation to control ppl. im not a breeder but i own a basset hound and i know that they are heavily protected by their dense bones, thick skin and that their ears help them pick up scents. the scent part is extremly noticeable when ur an owner lol
I dont know if its just me, but the bassets in that video looked to be pushing the chubby side. I was always taught bassets should be kept at a healthy weight, "It's just how the breed is" is an appauling answer. I'd rather have a healthy one, than a showman one if i could help it. Not that i'm saying showing bassets shouldn't live, but i'm saying to make them that way is almost a crime.
The original Basset was actually a very compact, athletic breed. It was a versatile hunting dog. They have breed out the athleticism for a certian look.
I don't think the BAsset on the picture is a pure breed one. It looks like a Basset mix with a BEagle. I've owned 2 BAsset Hounds (and seen hundreds of others) and mine look every similar to the ones on the competition on this video: long ears, long backs, short legs, sad face, big fur's. Regardless, I love all dogs, but BAssets are unique.
My latest girl is a rescue. So skinny you can see every rib and she is skittish as a bird! Poor baby is only 6 months old!
Ive always kept my bassets at a healthy weight... these poor dogs look too heavy to even be walking! Once my dogs are about 5 years old, I start them on Glucosamine for any arthritis they might be starting and they run around as if a teen age'r until about time to pass. Best dogs on earth!
My basset certainly looks like the older bassets do. She has hardly any skin and she's a svelte 50 lbs. I love her look and she can jump up on things so much easier then those other dogs. She's a horse. We call her Crash Basset. I feel sorry for those poor dogs. They look so ungainly and unsure of their footing. They almost step on their skin. I'll take my athlete over that any day.
My Basset Hound looks nothing like this in bred dogs, all these furnishings lmao. The basset I have is like the original's, definately less wrinkly, how can that guy in the end say such a mofo comment - what a dick head - I call for his resignation
I have had basset hounds for almost 20 years. My first was found at the pound, my second was a stray, my third from a puppy mill, and my fourth and fifth were from an AKC, BHCA breeder. By far, the fourth and fifth were the least healthy. The illness, disease, and allergies are heart breaking. My youngest was afflicted with glaucoma starting at age 2. The breeder knew she had bilateral abnormal drainage angles right after her CERF examination, yet sold her to me as a healthy hound.
This is a continuation from bassethoundtown. The parents were even bred again! To be so callous as to breed those parents again is unconscionable. This is purely my experience with one greedy breeder. I thought that breeders at this level were the guardians. Boy was I wrong about this particular breeder. My basset now has no eyes. Do you think her breeder has given to her fundraiser to research basset hound glaucoma? I think you can answer that. NO
That is just awful. I have a basset that I bought from a breeder who didn't mean to have puppies. It's such a healthy dog. It's a bit taller and much less wrinkly. He's a beautiful dog and a fantastic companion. People tell me how pretty he is all the time, but he'd never do well in a show setting because he's not short and wrinkly. He's just doesn't fit the measurements, etc. It's sad that people sell these dogs knowing they have problems. I'd try to sue to pay for the dogs health care.
These particular breeders are too concerned with looks and strutting around the show ring. As soon as Emma turned up with hereditary glaucoma they washed their hands of us. The main reason was, I would not agree to uphold their spin. Emma stands proud and will never cover up her special needs. I have had more than a few folks agree with your last sentence. However, no amount of money will heal the lies that this breeder inflicted on my family. Thank goodness,Emma got out and came to us!!!!!!!!
Whether your goldens are red, cream, honey or blonde...,its not exactly grounds to criticize those breeders to aspire to a different ideal. Also keep in mind that goldens bred by show breeders often end up in pet homes...where the driven temperaments of working goldens may have difficulty fitting in. Placid would definitely be preferred over high-energy by the average family.
But that's not what the breed is. It's not a pet. It's a working dog. The other type is a joke. And in Europe, they can't be red. And all of the working lines have red dogs in them. In the US, they predominate.
Maybe we should have our own registry, like rough collies and border collies, because the original function of this breed is to be a lithe, wiry working retriever with a high level of trainability.
retrieverman, you of all people should think twice before supporting the opinions of the makers of this biased and misguided documentary......after all, you are a dog breeder AND a hunter....2 things that the people responsible for the program would love to see regulated to the point of extinction. i appreciate your love and devotion to your 'type' of golden...and I support your pastime of hunting.......before casting stones at the world of purebreds, remember we're on the same side.
t makes me smile that this comparison of basset photographs was one of the documentary's biggest smoking guns in its case against dog breeding. anyone recall the paintings of nude victorian women?? if we held up a pic of keira knightley in the other hand, would the fact that ideals and fashions change over time REALLY be that radical of a concept to everyone?? seriously people, don't be misled by political activists masquerading as animal lovers x
Well people have a valid point when they bring up concerns about a basset's long length leading to back problems.
But that's easily prevented by keeping your basset hound well-exercised and never let him get overweight. Heck, that's good advice for owning any dog, regardless if the dog has a long body length or not.
who is to say that one photograph taken 50 yrs ago is an accurate representation of an entire breed of dog? and for that matter, there are plenty of hounds around that resemble the dog pictured.
foundonly goes on about breeders molding dogs to fit their criteria.....isnt that the point of breeding animals? cows are selectively bred to produce milk, and there are other breeds that are known for their beef....german shepherds make good police dogs, while border collies are herders....get a life
Yes German Shepherds do make good police dogs, that is until the show breeders get their way, you should check out dog or frog ..What police force would take these?
German shepherds from American lines are almost never used by police forces. That sloping back has made them horrible in movement. That's why they import Malinois and Dutch shepherds and some German lines of German shepherd.
In golden and Labrador retrievers, have you ever seen a field quality dog that has that has a much bone as the show versions do?
The show breeders don't understand working conformation at all. And that's the big problem.
All I know is that I will not own a show quality golden retriever, because 1. It's usually got no retrieving instinct, 2. It's too cobby to really move and swim property, 3. It has too much coat to swim quickly, 4. It will have the biddability of a beagle, whereas I want something as biddable as a farm collie, and 5. It looks and behaves nothing like a golden retriever that 1st Baron Tweedmouth would use for his grouse moors.
Let me guess... 'foundonly' is a PETA member? LOL All these 'hate the breeder' videos are outrageous. How about a little neutrality and allow the viewers to make up their own minds.
You think that's terrible that a judge didn't like that dog pictured from 60 yrs ago? So what!! Sure, you show some nice Crufts dogs as representatives of the breed today but who says that dog in the picture was anything even remotely close to a good representative of them 60 yrs ago.
Let me also note... the reason for loose skin on hounds is a very good one. When hunting in the thickets, the loose skin allows them to go in such areas without the injury and harm that could be done to a dog who had tighter coats. The coat is an improvement. Most changes in most breeds are improvements and results of careful breeding by dedicated breeders who LOVE their breeds.
btw... I authored the book "Guide to Ethical Dog Breeding" , I do not raise bassets.
Would it be possible to ask the theory behind such a claim, that the unnatural folds of skin help save a dog from injury, I would have thought it more of a liability than an asset.
Yes. Imagine the dog rushing a rabbit, etc into a thicket and gets a thorn or some such brush stuck to them and they are in a rush... RIP.. injury! That is unless their skin has sufficient give to it to allow them the time to stop before the RIP. This is very common with hounds.
Interesting theory, but are you seriously saying that when running though undergrowth a dogs baggy coat allows it to stop running before ripping the skin, if this was the case you would think natural selection would have played its part without any intervention from breeders.
LOL... I see them every day! I am a 3rd generation coonhound breeder. We train dogs to hunt and show. We have non-show dogs here but we do not have dogs who can't work. In the days of my raising/showing dairy goats, I had both working border collies as well as Great Pyrenees. Both my family and my husbands family are multi-generational in the dog world - both in showing and WORKING. Maybe you've 'seen' a working dog but do you UNDERSTAND what it takes to make a working dog???
This seems to be the main problem, the idea that breeders like yourselves can make a dog fit their own needs and given market place, there is no issue here with breeding and using true working dogs, its the way the breeds are manipulated to suit the needs of the show ring, quite honestly you as breeders are knowingly breeding dog pinups that look the way youre told they should look without regard to their overall health and now the dogs themselves pay the terrible price.
I've actually got a great counterpoint to show pup. In golden retrievers, the show breeders want lots of coat and lots of bone. The people who actually use this breed to hunt (and there aren't many of them) want more moderate coats and a less bone. We also want the darker colors to come back, because the darker colors are easier to hide in the duck blind. And the UK standard bans "red" in golden retrievers, meaning it bans the dark ones.
The coonhound breeds this person speaks of were specifically kept out of the AKC registry for decades and were registered with the United Kennel Club. This was done solely to keep the working ability of these coonhounds. Only the black and tan coonhound was recognized by the AKC. The other breeds were specifically kept for hunting only. And there are actually a lot of different breeeds of coonhound.
In the USA, more and more breeders are now field trialing and showing their dogs. The DC = Dual Championship and we are seeing many dogs now achieving both. We also continue to support the AKC Canine Health Foundation doing research on heritable issues.
I know people who have coonhounds, Redbones and Treeing Walkers, and they have no interest whatsoever in dog shows. Night Hunt Trials with the UKC, yes, but dog shows are out. Their dogs can do what they're bred to do, probaly better than your dogs, because the only thing these dogs have been bred for is raccoon hunting ability and their baying voice. That's why only one breed of coonhound was recognized by the AKC for all those years. Now, the Plott hound and the Redbone are.
There are lots of breeds. This comes from a documentary about all sorts of degenerated purebreds. Your skinny dog is a field type basset, and they are quite rare.
I got a skinny basset, the photo of the original basset on this video looks very similiar to that, i didnt know they were rare? saying that I get many comment when I take Bobby out for walks ... Is that a sausage dog or is that a Beagle? -_-
That's the ancestor of the English basset. In fact, they used to call the English basset the "Anglo- Artesian Normand basset." In the UK, bloodhound was crossed in to that line to make for better noses.
There are hunting packs of basset in the UK. A lot of these dogs have been crossed with harriers and beagles to increase speed and endurance.
Just curious is this the english or american standard? Because the U.S. show bassets I've seen aren't as dramatized-some are even still used for hunting. I'm not sure if it's just the area I'm living in or the standard itself. thank you please reply.
HyenaWolf123 1 week ago
Some of these Bassets are carrying far to much weight. They should be fit to work even if they are house pets. All that excess fat, loose skin is a nonsense. At least our dog was fit for purpose and not a lard bucket.
I would be tempted to cross some of these dogs with another breed, better healthy than suffering with various ailments and early death.
Jrhynie 2 months ago
My Basset Hounds do not have that much excess skin, although their ears are delightfully long, they move well and quickly and are awesome trackers and hunters. Show Bassets have way too much skin and they are all overweight!
Miss65boo 4 months ago
Charles Darwin said it's about natural selection not idiot selection!
ASIANBOYZPRODUCTION 6 months ago
1:58 My immediate response would have been, "Isn't that what drops out of your womb every nine months, miss?"
TheBermudaMan 7 months ago
My female bassethound is nearly 14 and she doesn't have any health problem..period.
salvolondon 8 months ago
The poster of this may be exaggerating a bit, but is by no means wrong.. pure bred AKC bassets have two distinctly different lines, The conformation show line, and the field trial and hunting line.. The latter is much closer to the old basset style, about 20lb lighter, more athletic, and with less problems. I've had bassets 10 yrs and have 2 now, My bassets all have been pure breed from the field trial/hunting line. Still just as sweet and loving, and much more active.
hig4s 10 months ago
got 10 bucks saying the commentator has never owned a basset hound. "Deformed dwarf"? u dont mess with basset hounds bitch, they are beautiful dogs. with that said, i used to have 2 bassets, one of them sadly died :( my point however is that one of them looked like the old ones and the other one looks like the new ones. interesting huh?
Mike11069 1 year ago
Sorry computer wigged out... ... Needs and owner who has the dog's best interest at heart - that sadly is not always someone who wants to win best in show every year!!
Rob5ft19in 1 year ago
Having had Basset Hounds for 30 years, I can safely say that I've never had a hound that's developed back problems or arthritis - I have lost a hound to Wobblers Syndrome, but I'm reliably informed by my vet that this was a completely random genetic defect and not as a result of breeding. There are far more obvious examples of cruel breeding with dogs who can hardly breathe or that have such delicate skin that they suffer terrible breakouts and cracking... ! The Basset Hound is a very specialis
Rob5ft19in 1 year ago
ok i love the original basset hound and it's probably more healther than the one today..
cookieparadise978 1 year ago
This is such bshit. The best example here is the example of how the media can distort reality. The historical dog shown has many structural problems that would prevent good movement that current bassets have been improved on, but they edited out that conversation. The ears being long has no effect OTHER than it gives them the ability to pick up scent on their ears which allows them to stay on the same game. Today's responsibly bred bassets are extremely healthy.
MeSaraberry 1 year ago
@MeSaraberry read the desription: "gives an idea of the suffering". thats some BS. all this said was told me was that the commentator hates bassets and that they use misinformation to control ppl. im not a breeder but i own a basset hound and i know that they are heavily protected by their dense bones, thick skin and that their ears help them pick up scents. the scent part is extremly noticeable when ur an owner lol
Mike11069 1 year ago
I dont know if its just me, but the bassets in that video looked to be pushing the chubby side. I was always taught bassets should be kept at a healthy weight, "It's just how the breed is" is an appauling answer. I'd rather have a healthy one, than a showman one if i could help it. Not that i'm saying showing bassets shouldn't live, but i'm saying to make them that way is almost a crime.
Fulou 2 years ago
The original Basset was actually a very compact, athletic breed. It was a versatile hunting dog. They have breed out the athleticism for a certian look.
kenpj 2 years ago
I don't think the BAsset on the picture is a pure breed one. It looks like a Basset mix with a BEagle. I've owned 2 BAsset Hounds (and seen hundreds of others) and mine look every similar to the ones on the competition on this video: long ears, long backs, short legs, sad face, big fur's. Regardless, I love all dogs, but BAssets are unique.
surfboyabry007 2 years ago
I agree with the man at the end. The new basset hounds look much better than the older ones. Although the ones in the painting also looked cool.
christmanpunch 2 years ago
My latest girl is a rescue. So skinny you can see every rib and she is skittish as a bird! Poor baby is only 6 months old!
Ive always kept my bassets at a healthy weight... these poor dogs look too heavy to even be walking! Once my dogs are about 5 years old, I start them on Glucosamine for any arthritis they might be starting and they run around as if a teen age'r until about time to pass. Best dogs on earth!
huebear 2 years ago
what have people dont to dogs these days,lots of breeds are just messed up.for example just take a look at a basset hound compared to a wolf
bluegama500 2 years ago
My basset certainly looks like the older bassets do. She has hardly any skin and she's a svelte 50 lbs. I love her look and she can jump up on things so much easier then those other dogs. She's a horse. We call her Crash Basset. I feel sorry for those poor dogs. They look so ungainly and unsure of their footing. They almost step on their skin. I'll take my athlete over that any day.
vaygirl 2 years ago
The winning Basset isn't the worst i have seen!! the second one was terrible!
Denise3942 2 years ago
hypocrits. they're trying to preserve a breed yet they're modifying them to what they see as fit.. which is very UNfit.. anyway..
LionGoddess1 2 years ago 2
My Basset Hound looks nothing like this in bred dogs, all these furnishings lmao. The basset I have is like the original's, definately less wrinkly, how can that guy in the end say such a mofo comment - what a dick head - I call for his resignation
dreamshaq 3 years ago
I have had basset hounds for almost 20 years. My first was found at the pound, my second was a stray, my third from a puppy mill, and my fourth and fifth were from an AKC, BHCA breeder. By far, the fourth and fifth were the least healthy. The illness, disease, and allergies are heart breaking. My youngest was afflicted with glaucoma starting at age 2. The breeder knew she had bilateral abnormal drainage angles right after her CERF examination, yet sold her to me as a healthy hound.
bassethoundtown 3 years ago
This is a continuation from bassethoundtown. The parents were even bred again! To be so callous as to breed those parents again is unconscionable. This is purely my experience with one greedy breeder. I thought that breeders at this level were the guardians. Boy was I wrong about this particular breeder. My basset now has no eyes. Do you think her breeder has given to her fundraiser to research basset hound glaucoma? I think you can answer that. NO
Cat, Chaps and Emma
bassethoundtown 3 years ago
That is just awful. I have a basset that I bought from a breeder who didn't mean to have puppies. It's such a healthy dog. It's a bit taller and much less wrinkly. He's a beautiful dog and a fantastic companion. People tell me how pretty he is all the time, but he'd never do well in a show setting because he's not short and wrinkly. He's just doesn't fit the measurements, etc. It's sad that people sell these dogs knowing they have problems. I'd try to sue to pay for the dogs health care.
coloraturacontralto 3 years ago
These particular breeders are too concerned with looks and strutting around the show ring. As soon as Emma turned up with hereditary glaucoma they washed their hands of us. The main reason was, I would not agree to uphold their spin. Emma stands proud and will never cover up her special needs. I have had more than a few folks agree with your last sentence. However, no amount of money will heal the lies that this breeder inflicted on my family. Thank goodness,Emma got out and came to us!!!!!!!!
bassethoundtown 3 years ago
Whether your goldens are red, cream, honey or blonde...,its not exactly grounds to criticize those breeders to aspire to a different ideal. Also keep in mind that goldens bred by show breeders often end up in pet homes...where the driven temperaments of working goldens may have difficulty fitting in. Placid would definitely be preferred over high-energy by the average family.
Afterglowshowdogs 3 years ago
But that's not what the breed is. It's not a pet. It's a working dog. The other type is a joke. And in Europe, they can't be red. And all of the working lines have red dogs in them. In the US, they predominate.
Maybe we should have our own registry, like rough collies and border collies, because the original function of this breed is to be a lithe, wiry working retriever with a high level of trainability.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
retrieverman, you of all people should think twice before supporting the opinions of the makers of this biased and misguided documentary......after all, you are a dog breeder AND a hunter....2 things that the people responsible for the program would love to see regulated to the point of extinction. i appreciate your love and devotion to your 'type' of golden...and I support your pastime of hunting.......before casting stones at the world of purebreds, remember we're on the same side.
Afterglowshowdogs 3 years ago
I support hunting, but I don't support breeding freaks and destroying working breeds for capricious standards.
I support animal rights. If the hunting doesn't torture animals, I've found commmon ground with the majority of animal rights people.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
t makes me smile that this comparison of basset photographs was one of the documentary's biggest smoking guns in its case against dog breeding. anyone recall the paintings of nude victorian women?? if we held up a pic of keira knightley in the other hand, would the fact that ideals and fashions change over time REALLY be that radical of a concept to everyone?? seriously people, don't be misled by political activists masquerading as animal lovers x
Afterglowshowdogs 3 years ago
Well people have a valid point when they bring up concerns about a basset's long length leading to back problems.
But that's easily prevented by keeping your basset hound well-exercised and never let him get overweight. Heck, that's good advice for owning any dog, regardless if the dog has a long body length or not.
valcaron 2 years ago
who is to say that one photograph taken 50 yrs ago is an accurate representation of an entire breed of dog? and for that matter, there are plenty of hounds around that resemble the dog pictured.
foundonly goes on about breeders molding dogs to fit their criteria.....isnt that the point of breeding animals? cows are selectively bred to produce milk, and there are other breeds that are known for their beef....german shepherds make good police dogs, while border collies are herders....get a life
Afterglowshowdogs 3 years ago
Yes German Shepherds do make good police dogs, that is until the show breeders get their way, you should check out dog or frog ..What police force would take these?
dovecott 3 years ago
German shepherds from American lines are almost never used by police forces. That sloping back has made them horrible in movement. That's why they import Malinois and Dutch shepherds and some German lines of German shepherd.
In golden and Labrador retrievers, have you ever seen a field quality dog that has that has a much bone as the show versions do?
The show breeders don't understand working conformation at all. And that's the big problem.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
All I know is that I will not own a show quality golden retriever, because 1. It's usually got no retrieving instinct, 2. It's too cobby to really move and swim property, 3. It has too much coat to swim quickly, 4. It will have the biddability of a beagle, whereas I want something as biddable as a farm collie, and 5. It looks and behaves nothing like a golden retriever that 1st Baron Tweedmouth would use for his grouse moors.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
I have 1 basset I had no idea how they used look
sad how much they change over years
kazyKat 3 years ago
Let me guess... 'foundonly' is a PETA member? LOL All these 'hate the breeder' videos are outrageous. How about a little neutrality and allow the viewers to make up their own minds.
You think that's terrible that a judge didn't like that dog pictured from 60 yrs ago? So what!! Sure, you show some nice Crufts dogs as representatives of the breed today but who says that dog in the picture was anything even remotely close to a good representative of them 60 yrs ago.
It IS a load of rubbish!
showpup 3 years ago
Let me also note... the reason for loose skin on hounds is a very good one. When hunting in the thickets, the loose skin allows them to go in such areas without the injury and harm that could be done to a dog who had tighter coats. The coat is an improvement. Most changes in most breeds are improvements and results of careful breeding by dedicated breeders who LOVE their breeds.
btw... I authored the book "Guide to Ethical Dog Breeding" , I do not raise bassets.
showpup 3 years ago
Would it be possible to ask the theory behind such a claim, that the unnatural folds of skin help save a dog from injury, I would have thought it more of a liability than an asset.
foundonly 3 years ago
Yes. Imagine the dog rushing a rabbit, etc into a thicket and gets a thorn or some such brush stuck to them and they are in a rush... RIP.. injury! That is unless their skin has sufficient give to it to allow them the time to stop before the RIP. This is very common with hounds.
showpup 3 years ago
Interesting theory, but are you seriously saying that when running though undergrowth a dogs baggy coat allows it to stop running before ripping the skin, if this was the case you would think natural selection would have played its part without any intervention from breeders.
foundonly 3 years ago
No one I know who runs hounds of any sort believes this.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
Guess you never saw a true working dog, you should get out of the show ring more.
foundonly 3 years ago
LOL... I see them every day! I am a 3rd generation coonhound breeder. We train dogs to hunt and show. We have non-show dogs here but we do not have dogs who can't work. In the days of my raising/showing dairy goats, I had both working border collies as well as Great Pyrenees. Both my family and my husbands family are multi-generational in the dog world - both in showing and WORKING. Maybe you've 'seen' a working dog but do you UNDERSTAND what it takes to make a working dog???
showpup 3 years ago
This seems to be the main problem, the idea that breeders like yourselves can make a dog fit their own needs and given market place, there is no issue here with breeding and using true working dogs, its the way the breeds are manipulated to suit the needs of the show ring, quite honestly you as breeders are knowingly breeding dog pinups that look the way youre told they should look without regard to their overall health and now the dogs themselves pay the terrible price.
foundonly 3 years ago 4
I've actually got a great counterpoint to show pup. In golden retrievers, the show breeders want lots of coat and lots of bone. The people who actually use this breed to hunt (and there aren't many of them) want more moderate coats and a less bone. We also want the darker colors to come back, because the darker colors are easier to hide in the duck blind. And the UK standard bans "red" in golden retrievers, meaning it bans the dark ones.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
The coonhound breeds this person speaks of were specifically kept out of the AKC registry for decades and were registered with the United Kennel Club. This was done solely to keep the working ability of these coonhounds. Only the black and tan coonhound was recognized by the AKC. The other breeds were specifically kept for hunting only. And there are actually a lot of different breeeds of coonhound.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
In the USA, more and more breeders are now field trialing and showing their dogs. The DC = Dual Championship and we are seeing many dogs now achieving both. We also continue to support the AKC Canine Health Foundation doing research on heritable issues.
MeSaraberry 1 year ago
I know people who have coonhounds, Redbones and Treeing Walkers, and they have no interest whatsoever in dog shows. Night Hunt Trials with the UKC, yes, but dog shows are out. Their dogs can do what they're bred to do, probaly better than your dogs, because the only thing these dogs have been bred for is raccoon hunting ability and their baying voice. That's why only one breed of coonhound was recognized by the AKC for all those years. Now, the Plott hound and the Redbone are.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
@showpup
And why again would they take a picture of a dog in a stoic pose sixty years ago and keep it til this day?
RockingAmigo 7 months ago
During my last show dog with my basset .
The judge had clearly said "I prefer thin bassets" .
Fat bassets were the last ones .
So, we can't generalize!!
babahound 3 years ago
I agree only half.
I have 2 bassets very different .
One is quite skin , the other one is more fat.
The first is a very energic dog contrary to the second who loves to sleep all the day ( I suppose because of his weight ) .
Nevertheless , they eat the same things !!
That proves it's a question of breeding , they have not the same origins .
But this documentary : It's just for the basset-hound ??
I think a lot of races are more degenerated than bassets.
babahound 3 years ago
There are lots of breeds. This comes from a documentary about all sorts of degenerated purebreds. Your skinny dog is a field type basset, and they are quite rare.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago
I got a skinny basset, the photo of the original basset on this video looks very similiar to that, i didnt know they were rare? saying that I get many comment when I take Bobby out for walks ... Is that a sausage dog or is that a Beagle? -_-
Is that skinny type called an Artisan Normand?
dreamshaq 3 years ago
Artesian Normand basset*
dreamshaq 3 years ago
That's the ancestor of the English basset. In fact, they used to call the English basset the "Anglo- Artesian Normand basset." In the UK, bloodhound was crossed in to that line to make for better noses.
There are hunting packs of basset in the UK. A lot of these dogs have been crossed with harriers and beagles to increase speed and endurance.
Retrieverman1 3 years ago