I don't buy the whole founding fathers theory. The Overlook hotel set design is a recreation of a hotel in Yellowstone. Not an exact duplicate, but pretty close, including the indian art. Indian burial grounds have a history of ghost stories. I believe the connections end there.
In keeping with your analysis I think that it is interesting to note Danny's sweater as he walks towards room 237. It is a reference to Apollo 11, which symbolizes America's definition of progress: technological superiority. Technological progress is itself a way of deterring self reflection.
- Did Stephen King's book present these same parallels bewteen the story & the founding & independence of the American federation? Or is this strictly Kubrick's version of the story &/or meaning behind the story?
- Excuse my language, but how the hell did this idea come to you? It all makes sense now that you mention it & show all the links. What elements tipped you off? White man's burden (very odd sentence in the bar), and 4th of July?
@macdaddylorenzo I don't believe Stephen Kings book had this theme, and if so was very light about it.
If I remember correctly SK was actually kinda pissed how the movie turned out because it was much different from the book. But obviously Kubricks more of a genius because this movie (and all the rest) are masterpieces.
@Magnificoooooo In the book Jack drives a red VW, but In the beginning of the film it is yellow. Then near the end of the film there is a car accident with a red VW beetle underneath an overturned truck. I heard this a sly little poke Kubrick is making at King to say "this film is the story i want to tell, not yours"
good analysis,but i never really liked the shining because it does not really work as a horror movie.it's very well lit as kubricks movies always are but not scary as a horror movie should be.also for my part it is a very badly balanced movie with nicholsons brilliant acting carrying it.still that's only my opinion and it will remain a very popular movie,i like your studies of movies and have subscribed.
The 'underlying' racial theme was explictily stated in the movie with Gradys speech and Hallorans murder. The 'indian burial ground' cliche may have existed before. Stephen King himself exploits it in Pet Semetary. Duality and distorted reality is a theme symbolised by the mirrors, but I thought the hotel literally absorbed Jack and Grady into its evil, past and present, hence their existence in the photos. Father and son/sexual scene similarity I thought was done to disturb by association.
The Native American metaphor is quit the stretch, but its also pretty cheap. Food for thought; ancient and tribal peoples with no technology, or private property were just a barbaric and brutal to each other as western civilization has been. I doubt that such a brilliant and conscientious film maker like Kubrik would have invested so much energy and talent into developing such complex subliminal messages for such a deceivingly simplistic cash in.
Important note @ 8:06, Danny is wearing a baseball shirt with number 42, which was worn by Jackie Robinson, the first black ball player in Major League Baseball. Jackie faced immense racism from ballplayers and crowds.... perhaps foreshadowing that Danny is also a victim of Jack (the white man)?
@manwithoutfear05 Also with that point a lot of people reference the connections Kubrick makes to Nazis and the Holocaust as well which started in 1942
If part 3 was removed because of the nudity, then it was clearly flagged by no-life goody-two-shoes. Whatever happened to blocking videos with explicit content from underage peeps? If the 11-year-old makes an account and says he was born in 1973, that's going nothing to do with the uploader, YouTube or the whining complainer-whores who flag videos for whatever reason. Just get on with your life. Oh and thank you for re-uploading the video, where would we be without people like you?
@Nagneto those who want to do to Palestinians what they did to native Americans, the Yankees? Nothing to do with nudity - it is the quality of the film and how timeless the theme is - AMERICA HAS NEVER HAD A REVOLUTION - but needs one to redistribute power to the people, native Americans, the sick, the weak and the poor. That would be a revolution - Universal Health Care, Housing and Nutrition Benefits for all Citizens: 5% Taxation of excess incomes and hoarded wealth per annum, 5% Corporate Tax
The best and most instructive of the three parts. I think the "Founding Fathers" analogy is a stretch, and the Native American motif is simply Kubrick capturing the setting accurately (since Colorado and its hotels are rife with Amerindian art and design), but apart from those overreaching explanations I find this series very entertaining and intelligent.
@Vortigern99 No. If you look at Kubrick as a sincere Jew, then it all makes sense. A genocide against his people is no different from a genocide on the Indians. He presented this very obscurely, but it's there.
@VVillowz The theory of Native American genocide metaphor collapses under scrutiny. The hotel is rife with Amerindian iconography because it's a hotel in Colorado. Anyone who's spent any amount of time in that state and/or, especially, its many hotels can aver that the entire culture there is aswim in Native American design, craft and artwork. Kubrick is not making some point about American wealth predicated on the slaughter of Natives; he's being accurate to the setting: a hotel in CO.
@Vortigern99 Well yes obviously. He could have made the movie in England and it would have cost a billion or he could have made it there and made the same point all the more so.
@Vortigern99 I don't know what you meant. But, I'm sure one of Kubricks messages int he movie was that the founding fathers lead to the genocide of the Indians, be it intentional or unintentional. AKA "This place ain't big enough for the two of US"
@Vortigern99 I agree,that the "underlying motive" of Kubrick denouncing slavery and abuse of Native Americans really does not fit in Colorado, because even though events like the Sand Creek Massacre took place there among roving plains tribes, most the the Indian genocide took place in other areas with much larger populations back east.. Same is true concerning Blacks and slavery as many of the small communities in Colorado were settled by former slaves, and Colorado was not a slave state.
@Vortigern99 This video misses one MAJOR point that is consistent with virtually EVERY Kubrick film form Dr. Strangelove to Eyes Wide Shut, and that is the ongoing and dangerous battle between insanity exposed by fear and reality. (HAL, Jack D. Ripper, Pvt. Pyle etc.) Jack Torrence is actually a schizophrenic, avoiding his own real-life reflection, and inventing friends whom he is comfortable with. This becomes a nightmare when he can no longer discern these "friends" from the REAL GHOSTS.
@Vortigern99 This video misses one MAJOR point that is consistent with virtually EVERY Kubrick film form Dr. Strangelove to Eyes Wide Shut, and that is the ongoing and dangerous battle between insanity exposed by fear and reality. (HAL, Jack D. Ripper, Pvt. Pyle) Jack Torrence is actually a schizophrenic, avoiding his own real-life reflection, and inventing friends whom he is comfortable with. This becomes a nightmare when he can no longer discern these "friends" from the REAL GHOSTS he meets.
Some Native Americans believed that photos stole the soul of the subject. So the photo at the end could entail that Jack's soul belongs to the overlook.
I have to add something too which is I think very important! At the scene on the bathroom when Jack with the axe breaks down the door we all can see one part of the door which is smashed...a few seconds later when wendy and jack hear the snowcar coming we can see 2 parts of the door smashed!!What's that?I think this is a montage mistake! Rob and guys if you know what i mean send a message...Thx!
I think I noticed something...in the bathroom scene with mr.Grady Jack is looking in the mirror the whole time he speaks with Mr.Grady...Someone here mentioned that too...
i think i have to ask anyone who know and Rob himself...can anyone tell me who is the man on the pic in the last scene of the film...Rob says maybe is a twin of Jack(how can this man be Jack's twin after 50 years??) or a relative of Jack's....is it an allegoric foto?
@AcidRainAgain Kubrick said in an interview that Jack may have been the reincarnation from a previous caretaker. I think Ager believes that this is Jack's "fantasy" self, the center of attention and at the height of success, having achieved the American dream at the expense of the Native peoples.
Rob, an outstandingly brilliant analysis of the film. Your efforts brought out subtle hints and pheonomnenic traits I would have loved to link together. Cheers to you my friend. Cheers mate, and keep up the good work!
@Mikeol2006 You should ask on Rob's actual channel(robag88). But it always seemed to me as if that was a reinforcement of the idea that ghosts permeate the hotel and hold power over it. If a ghost can appear and manipulate corporeal matter (the door) it can potentially kill you, and the idea that Jack is in some form a ghost makes it appear that this does, in fact, happen. Also take into account Grady could possibly=Jack as they've both been caretaker. It's like he released himself.
Nah, I dont think that the shining has to do with anything about americas past. It's about the hotel's cruel past as the nigger Said " alot has happend in this hotel, and not all of them was good " there are ghosts in the hotel and when grady says " you have allways been the caretaker here " he means thing that posseses Jack " you have ALWAYS been here ".... Ill Maybe make à analyse myself
you would assume correct. I think we're all in agreement that Kubrick made this King Novel something of his own creation, and much more interweaved than the book.
I don't buy the whole founding fathers theory. The Overlook hotel set design is a recreation of a hotel in Yellowstone. Not an exact duplicate, but pretty close, including the indian art. Indian burial grounds have a history of ghost stories. I believe the connections end there.
acidjack73 1 day ago
In keeping with your analysis I think that it is interesting to note Danny's sweater as he walks towards room 237. It is a reference to Apollo 11, which symbolizes America's definition of progress: technological superiority. Technological progress is itself a way of deterring self reflection.
TheHerpaderpderp 3 days ago
Room 237. 7-3=4; 24:42 Ohhhh Fuuuuu!!
TheHerpaderpderp 3 days ago
Very interesting analysis. I wonder if the maze with out an exit is saying you cannot escape the past?
hosborne72 3 weeks ago
@hosborne72 thats prob a great start 2 looking at it
Citydogz45 1 day ago
Much of this commentary is contrived.
drmd36 3 weeks ago
Wow, such amazing insight!
If I may ask:
- Did Stephen King's book present these same parallels bewteen the story & the founding & independence of the American federation? Or is this strictly Kubrick's version of the story &/or meaning behind the story?
- Excuse my language, but how the hell did this idea come to you? It all makes sense now that you mention it & show all the links. What elements tipped you off? White man's burden (very odd sentence in the bar), and 4th of July?
Thanks!
macdaddylorenzo 1 month ago
@macdaddylorenzo I don't believe Stephen Kings book had this theme, and if so was very light about it.
If I remember correctly SK was actually kinda pissed how the movie turned out because it was much different from the book. But obviously Kubricks more of a genius because this movie (and all the rest) are masterpieces.
Magnificoooooo 1 month ago
@Magnificoooooo Thanks!
macdaddylorenzo 1 month ago
@Magnificoooooo In the book Jack drives a red VW, but In the beginning of the film it is yellow. Then near the end of the film there is a car accident with a red VW beetle underneath an overturned truck. I heard this a sly little poke Kubrick is making at King to say "this film is the story i want to tell, not yours"
SeanMofuckinMoney 3 weeks ago
Mirrors. What a great movie and the best director ever fact.
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wolfdale00 2 months ago
Great analysis!
IronLikeALionZion 3 months ago
where is part one and two?
MrVizFact 3 months ago
good analysis,but i never really liked the shining because it does not really work as a horror movie.it's very well lit as kubricks movies always are but not scary as a horror movie should be.also for my part it is a very badly balanced movie with nicholsons brilliant acting carrying it.still that's only my opinion and it will remain a very popular movie,i like your studies of movies and have subscribed.
thanx rob
nufto 3 months ago
The 'underlying' racial theme was explictily stated in the movie with Gradys speech and Hallorans murder. The 'indian burial ground' cliche may have existed before. Stephen King himself exploits it in Pet Semetary. Duality and distorted reality is a theme symbolised by the mirrors, but I thought the hotel literally absorbed Jack and Grady into its evil, past and present, hence their existence in the photos. Father and son/sexual scene similarity I thought was done to disturb by association.
BelatedCommiseration 3 months ago
Thank you for sharing this!
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The Native American metaphor is quit the stretch, but its also pretty cheap. Food for thought; ancient and tribal peoples with no technology, or private property were just a barbaric and brutal to each other as western civilization has been. I doubt that such a brilliant and conscientious film maker like Kubrik would have invested so much energy and talent into developing such complex subliminal messages for such a deceivingly simplistic cash in.
liltimy1850 4 months ago
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liltimy1850 4 months ago
Important note @ 8:06, Danny is wearing a baseball shirt with number 42, which was worn by Jackie Robinson, the first black ball player in Major League Baseball. Jackie faced immense racism from ballplayers and crowds.... perhaps foreshadowing that Danny is also a victim of Jack (the white man)?
manwithoutfear05 5 months ago 19
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Sharp!
andycab89 3 weeks ago
@manwithoutfear05 Also with that point a lot of people reference the connections Kubrick makes to Nazis and the Holocaust as well which started in 1942
SeanMofuckinMoney 3 weeks ago
If part 3 was removed because of the nudity, then it was clearly flagged by no-life goody-two-shoes. Whatever happened to blocking videos with explicit content from underage peeps? If the 11-year-old makes an account and says he was born in 1973, that's going nothing to do with the uploader, YouTube or the whining complainer-whores who flag videos for whatever reason. Just get on with your life. Oh and thank you for re-uploading the video, where would we be without people like you?
QullVideo 5 months ago 2
I see, the nazis of youtube removed it from rob's channel because of the naked woman. Philistines!
Nagneto 6 months ago 23
@Nagneto lol!! great comment
jendarjen 3 months ago
@Nagneto are you refering to fegelein?
zapper067 2 months ago
@zapper067 : If there were antics involved this video would have been a rick roll.
Nagneto 2 months ago
@Nagneto those who want to do to Palestinians what they did to native Americans, the Yankees? Nothing to do with nudity - it is the quality of the film and how timeless the theme is - AMERICA HAS NEVER HAD A REVOLUTION - but needs one to redistribute power to the people, native Americans, the sick, the weak and the poor. That would be a revolution - Universal Health Care, Housing and Nutrition Benefits for all Citizens: 5% Taxation of excess incomes and hoarded wealth per annum, 5% Corporate Tax
SmileyGarrish 2 months ago
@SmileyGarrish : Wait, WHAAAA?
Nagneto 1 month ago
The best and most instructive of the three parts. I think the "Founding Fathers" analogy is a stretch, and the Native American motif is simply Kubrick capturing the setting accurately (since Colorado and its hotels are rife with Amerindian art and design), but apart from those overreaching explanations I find this series very entertaining and intelligent.
Vortigern99 6 months ago
@Vortigern99 No. If you look at Kubrick as a sincere Jew, then it all makes sense. A genocide against his people is no different from a genocide on the Indians. He presented this very obscurely, but it's there.
VVillowz 6 months ago
@VVillowz The theory of Native American genocide metaphor collapses under scrutiny. The hotel is rife with Amerindian iconography because it's a hotel in Colorado. Anyone who's spent any amount of time in that state and/or, especially, its many hotels can aver that the entire culture there is aswim in Native American design, craft and artwork. Kubrick is not making some point about American wealth predicated on the slaughter of Natives; he's being accurate to the setting: a hotel in CO.
Vortigern99 6 months ago
@Vortigern99 Well yes obviously. He could have made the movie in England and it would have cost a billion or he could have made it there and made the same point all the more so.
VVillowz 6 months ago
@VVillowz What are you talking about? The Shining was made at Elstree Studios in England. Please clarify your point.
Vortigern99 6 months ago
@Vortigern99 I don't know what you meant. But, I'm sure one of Kubricks messages int he movie was that the founding fathers lead to the genocide of the Indians, be it intentional or unintentional. AKA "This place ain't big enough for the two of US"
VVillowz 6 months ago
@Vortigern99 Being that it's Kubrick, he could have been doing both.
Nagneto 6 months ago
@Vortigern99 I agree,that the "underlying motive" of Kubrick denouncing slavery and abuse of Native Americans really does not fit in Colorado, because even though events like the Sand Creek Massacre took place there among roving plains tribes, most the the Indian genocide took place in other areas with much larger populations back east.. Same is true concerning Blacks and slavery as many of the small communities in Colorado were settled by former slaves, and Colorado was not a slave state.
WillSee11 5 months ago
@Vortigern99 This video misses one MAJOR point that is consistent with virtually EVERY Kubrick film form Dr. Strangelove to Eyes Wide Shut, and that is the ongoing and dangerous battle between insanity exposed by fear and reality. (HAL, Jack D. Ripper, Pvt. Pyle etc.) Jack Torrence is actually a schizophrenic, avoiding his own real-life reflection, and inventing friends whom he is comfortable with. This becomes a nightmare when he can no longer discern these "friends" from the REAL GHOSTS.
WillSee11 5 months ago
@Vortigern99 This video misses one MAJOR point that is consistent with virtually EVERY Kubrick film form Dr. Strangelove to Eyes Wide Shut, and that is the ongoing and dangerous battle between insanity exposed by fear and reality. (HAL, Jack D. Ripper, Pvt. Pyle) Jack Torrence is actually a schizophrenic, avoiding his own real-life reflection, and inventing friends whom he is comfortable with. This becomes a nightmare when he can no longer discern these "friends" from the REAL GHOSTS he meets.
WillSee11 5 months ago
Some Native Americans believed that photos stole the soul of the subject. So the photo at the end could entail that Jack's soul belongs to the overlook.
pessimist94 6 months ago
I have to add something too which is I think very important! At the scene on the bathroom when Jack with the axe breaks down the door we all can see one part of the door which is smashed...a few seconds later when wendy and jack hear the snowcar coming we can see 2 parts of the door smashed!!What's that?I think this is a montage mistake! Rob and guys if you know what i mean send a message...Thx!
AcidRainAgain 7 months ago
@AcidRainAgain
The axe is seen vertically and we have no sense of depth. One may assume he is attacking the door at more than one angle.
Sonofkong0 6 months ago
I think I noticed something...in the bathroom scene with mr.Grady Jack is looking in the mirror the whole time he speaks with Mr.Grady...Someone here mentioned that too...
AcidRainAgain 7 months ago
i think i have to ask anyone who know and Rob himself...can anyone tell me who is the man on the pic in the last scene of the film...Rob says maybe is a twin of Jack(how can this man be Jack's twin after 50 years??) or a relative of Jack's....is it an allegoric foto?
AcidRainAgain 7 months ago
@AcidRainAgain Kubrick said in an interview that Jack may have been the reincarnation from a previous caretaker. I think Ager believes that this is Jack's "fantasy" self, the center of attention and at the height of success, having achieved the American dream at the expense of the Native peoples.
Vortigern99 6 months ago
Rob, an outstandingly brilliant analysis of the film. Your efforts brought out subtle hints and pheonomnenic traits I would have loved to link together. Cheers to you my friend. Cheers mate, and keep up the good work!
Anthropogenic13 7 months ago
Wrong!
mydrinkinmilk 8 months ago
Thanks for posting this, Looks like Rob had to take his down.
UnkindlyQuasar 8 months ago
Hey Rob how do you explain that Grady opens the door when Jack is locked up in storage room??????????
narancauk 9 months ago
@narancauk
This is the one thing about the shining that also puzzles me! I've got ideas but I can't really figure it out. tell us!
Mikeol2006 8 months ago
@Mikeol2006 You should ask on Rob's actual channel(robag88). But it always seemed to me as if that was a reinforcement of the idea that ghosts permeate the hotel and hold power over it. If a ghost can appear and manipulate corporeal matter (the door) it can potentially kill you, and the idea that Jack is in some form a ghost makes it appear that this does, in fact, happen. Also take into account Grady could possibly=Jack as they've both been caretaker. It's like he released himself.
barbaryfair 7 months ago
great video! Cheers!
urbandenizen 10 months ago
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Nah, I dont think that the shining has to do with anything about americas past. It's about the hotel's cruel past as the nigger Said " alot has happend in this hotel, and not all of them was good " there are ghosts in the hotel and when grady says " you have allways been the caretaker here " he means thing that posseses Jack " you have ALWAYS been here ".... Ill Maybe make à analyse myself
Swe515 10 months ago
Thanks for this! Thank you!
LynxCoding 11 months ago
Thanks for finding and posting. Thank you.
mangoprojects 11 months ago
have you read the book? it's clear that the woman strangles danny in the book, but i'm assuming you're just analysing the film version.
OwnedRL 1 year ago
@OwnedRL
you would assume correct. I think we're all in agreement that Kubrick made this King Novel something of his own creation, and much more interweaved than the book.
Mikeol2006 8 months ago