The religion part of zeitgeist is debunked in this video. Just search zeitgeist debunked and you will find it..Basically this video is filled with lies.
Zeitgeist fraud about Jesus and Christianity. They show unrealistic data and correlation. Anybody who is interested in the topic can Google "Jesus & Horus Parallels - A Christian Response" Here you'll find how many stupid thing do they say in the movie!!!
This is full of falsehoods including any evidence of crucifictions pre Jesus, or performing of miracles for that matter are NOT on record until then. As I mentioned before, this guy has to be smoking something to connect the words SUN and SON, which are totally different, not to mention the fish, which refers to gathering up more followers of Jesus, not reference to Pisces. Hell of a drug you're on, man.
Also? Here's another thought: This doesn't explain why we search for God, why there are moral injustices and so-called good acts... I'd like to know where this guy stands on that.
oh yah and if you're wonderin what type of injury set sustained... he lost a testicle which was his explanation of why the desert is so "unfertile". i could seriously go on and on, it was one of my favorite subjects in high school and college but again, i dont need some horrible excuse of research to tell me there's no god... ive made that decision long ago.
actually this could be quite fun... here's another bit of info on this on going battle between horus and set. horus was also believed to have the sun in one eye and the moon in the other, after a very long battle the other gods decided to help ole horus in defeating set (the god of the desert). well in the heat of battle horus's eye was gouged (the moon eye) which is his explaination on why the moon isnt as bright as the sun (in his other eye).
ummmm... i dont believe in god, but i dont remember learning in egyption gods 101 that isis was a virgin... there's a lot of holes in this. hasn't anyone else taken any egyption mythology courses? isis gathered up the remains of osiris to get pregnant and unfortunately couldn't find his penis so she made a golden phalus... come on people! do some flippin research before you comment for pete's sake.
I know this was not the intention of the video, but this left me in awe at the hand of God in painting a picture of his plan to save us, even thousands of years ago when he flung the stars into space. He knew what was to happen and embedded the story in the artwork of his creation way back at the beginning of time. That's pretty awesome.
@fatscotsgal I'm glad you admit that your God is all knowing. That way it's easy for me to discern that God is the accountable for abortions because he knowingly gives babies to women who end up getting an abortion. So then it leaves two solutions.
A. God gives babies to women he knows will get an abortion
@MyloDude22 If the all powerful all knowing God can turn pharos heart to reject moses, he can change the heart of the world for good. If Jesus said there is only one that is good and thats god, why did he say, I will turn neighbor against neighbor, city against city, father against son and so on. How about slaves obey your masters. ow about invading Iraq, or Korea, or Vietnam? Where's the (ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD). The onipitent god sure put alot of death in his creation.
@MyloDude22 YEAH, what about the unborn babies. The all knowing aparently isnt all good. This stuff isnt adding up at all. If Jesus is the prince of peace and his daddy is the only one that is truly good (but he can be jeleous sometimes), how can you and I see that this utopia is really fuc*ed up. Isnt God all knowing (from beginning to end) that is bullcrapt folks and you know it. Lets WAKE UP from the mind game.
@34eeelive I have friends who are Calvinists who don't believe in free will. They say God creates people knowing who will and who won't accept Jesus. But I thought your God was all loving?!?!?! Thomas Jefferson, my favorite founder wrote of Calvinism, ""I can never join Calvin in addressing his god... his religion was Dæmonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did." Christians who all "supposedly believe in the same thing" are constantly arguing between each other about "God's design"
If you don't accept this truth you are obviously brainwashed, I'm so grateful that I can think for myself, I do feel a tiny bit sorry for all you sad suckers, I fell into the trap myself for awhile as a child , trusting and believing adults, then I saw the light , I'm not biased as hate all religions for the way it's destroying my planet and people. Come on mugs waken up, it's not too late YET,. it's great being honest.
@Someone7089 I KNOW RIGHT?! all that time as a child waisted on praying and worshiping a "god" that never existed but was brought into history to over-moralized and control the masses... I'm in complete awe.
I was raised as a christian... Until around 14 i never questioned anything. Then i started to question myself. After watching this i feel like my first part of my life i had been LIED to.. am i the only one who gets enraged at the religion you were born into after watching this??
Hey, the star wasnt seen in the eastern sky, they saw it when they were in the east. In other words, they were in an eastern country. Then they walked west toward Bethlehem. So you have error in what you say. The enemy Satan always pre empts what Gods plan is. Always. He also blinds minds of the best thinkers. Smile, Your on buddy
""Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."
Star in the East, just as the video poster says. I see no error here.
Furthermore, even if this tiny detail out of the entire video was, in fact, an error, what influence does that have on the rest of what is presented? The symbolism would still apply in either case.
@DrHouth it is a all a product of evolution and it makes sense than a product of a perfect god. a perfect god that creates racism, cancer, wars, hunger and poverty? makes no sense to me.
@DrHouth u cannot trully believe in jesus when u believe in science. science tells us that we are a product of evolution. the crap bible tells us that we are created in "god's" image and likeness and that we came from eve and adam. science tells us that earth existed billions of years ago while the bible tells us that it was 5 thousand years ago. science is based on logic and truth. the bible is blind faith.
@DrHouth u r really funny. and i pity you coz u have been trapped by a lie. isn't this video clear than chrisitianity just like other religion is a copy of the older religion. isn't that clear that all religion is a lie?
@DrHouth "people believe in religion, afterlife, psychic because it makes them happy.... and no amount of evidence that can convince them that what they have believed in is a lie. - - john stossel
@daisatronik just like the teacup in outer space, you can not confirm that Jesus is fake. I'm not playing a word game with you though, I am saying that Jesus has been documented so many times beyond the scripture, that it would be absurd, to logically conclude that he never existed in history, even apart from him being God in the flesh.
Many interesting concepts. Although I must say that most christian know that jesus was not actually born on December 25th. The ancient church simply put it on that day so that their faith could compete with all the others that also fell on that day.
@xXxSiLEncErXx And they knew that in the bronze ages? This is the explanation as to how people used what they saw as the sun moving to embody it as their god, later people personified that belief into man-like gods.
this is false do not believe this Jesus was real Noah was also real and they were sent here on earth by god,and if you cant see this ,asshole, then look up in the sky how the sun and the moon are in an alignment, they both are in order the sun knows when to set and when to rise who do you think is commanding this universe huh? dont tell me it was a chemical reaction that never happens why dont you try creating a sun a moon a whole universe you wont cause you cant and that is why god is real
Dude, this is a wonderful insite of fact. And it is such a lie, and millions and millions of people were killed and are killed. You sound like Chuck Norris, Great narration? How do I reach you or email you.
Yaweh is a volcano god and Jesus is the sun/son everything else in those books are myths and doctrines put in by men to control soceity, if it was really the Creator who inspired those works, why is it that in the Bible it gives detalied instructions on how to go to war, how to treat slaves, and why did he ask for so many sacrifices and offerings butchering innocent animals for the sake of giving him a ''pleasent odor'', if u think the world is fucked up the bible and religion is the blame
I find people who claim to be absolutely sure there is no God and who ridicule those who disagree - just as unreasonable as those who are absolutely sure that every word of the Bible is true and warn that all who question any part of the Bible or the supremacy of the God described in the Bible are condemned to eternal damnation. On both sides, the zealotry is the equal.
Christians, heed this warning: There's a strong chance that you won't be happy after watching this video. Unless you're fine with deliberately crushing your understanding of the universe, leave now.
This is so true? Unbelievable? And there are millions attending churches, The Vaticans, is running the world, and all the prayers and talk about Morality? such bullshit
@JwayT you realise he is probably an atheist and believes like Darwinism, the big ban theory, and the evolution progress?... which is probably even worst!
@JwayT And yet your lil bro believes you are of the character that he should give a shit to make you proud , yes? GLITCH!!! Read into that one, Slick! Just laughin' ;)
I can either face reality as it is, without preconception, and acknowledge that within the structure of my being I have a longing for the infinite and an insatiable question about my meaning. As Luigi Giussani says, I can 'call a spade a spade.' I can embrace reality and let myself be drawn to everything that touches me. Or, I can set myself against reality, with "arms flung in front of your eyes to ward off unwelcomed and unexpected blows" and in ignoring the real that is before me
Thus man does not recognize God solely by science or philosophy, but by his free choice. You can choose to not acknowledge God, even though it is an unreasonable decision that contradicts your nature. Louis Althusser, when discussing the existence of God and Marxism, held that "the problem is not one of reason, but option
Dinosaurs will come out from underground; antichrist is a white gay man with red eyes; mark of the antichrist is a green electronic tattoo with sixes that is given when one stretches their hand to receive a new small gray world passport; ufos=demons=aliens=ascended masters=ghosts=channeled entities=dead relatives during seances; atlantis is underneath mariana trench; china will attack russia; don't worship the antichrist; don't take his mark; don't go into a ufo ship under any circumstances.
Very convincing, very factual, but I will provide my epistemology on what we are seeing here.
- Most importantly; let us assume that the waning of religion continues as it does. Let us assume that many atheists grow cocky and hostile in correlation to their ideas' success, as they have. We do not deem religion as an outright stupidity, as that is zealotry. We do not deem religion as a crime, as that is fascism.
Please. I am a Philosopher before I am a Theist, and I urge you all to consider.
Excellent naration and video...but lacking any truth concerning Yeshua or YHWH. They need to experience in heart instead of head...which they got wrong anyway. Dr. Daniel Robinette servant of YHWH.
Every holiday mentioned during this video is pagan and are forbidden by followers of YHWH. Oh just for reference for all who still have a bible...Ezekiel 9 says that the apostate chuch of the last days will 1. Have 25 elders instead of 24 he chose this is (Paul) worship Tammuz (easter resurrection) worship on sunday instead of YHWH's day Saturday.
Wow. Excellent videography and narration. The only problem is that the name Jesus was originally Yeshua. The original King James (1611) called him ieZeus. LAter translations changed it to the French words I AM Je sus. He was born on the 15th of Tishra which is the Feast of Tabernacles not Christmas. He was resurrected on the third day of Passover not easter morning. Tammuz was. Easter is the same idol that Elijah cut off the heads of her prophets with the prophets of Baal.
Religion is the naturally occurring social construct that occurs when the Schizotypal (look it up) gene is present in the general population. Schizotypal people self-assign themselves as seers or priests that can communicate with the spirit world or act on behalf of the Gods. In fact Schizotypal people are simply genetic carriers of the schizophrenic gene. Schizotypal are on the spectrum in a socially acceptable way. Jesus, if he existed, was certainly Schizotypal.
1. Jesus Christ was not born on Dec, let alone Dec 25. His real birth date was corrupted by the Pagans. His birth date was in September 3 BC (long b4 3000BC.) - Rosh Hashanah
2. Horus, Attis, Krishna, Mithra . . . ect were all Carbon Copies of the Original (Jesus Christ.)
ONLY Jesus Christ is the way to GOD and the Truth. GOD says Jesus Christ is his son, not Horus, not Krishna, not Mithra. Satan comes to deceive the World.
@SpiritWorldBlog The mythological characters (Horus, Attis, Krishna, Mithra etc), all lived before your mythological deity. Although there are many factual errors in this film, pretty much all forms of organized religion today is dumb beyond reckoning.
@SpiritWorldBlog Nope, not at all. We know that the world is roughly 4,6 billion years old, not around 6000. Since Hubble observed the universal red shift in the early nineteen-hundreds we've known that the Universe is expanding; that at one point it was all mashed up in what we today call a singularity. The final proof of course came in 1960 when cosmic background radiation was discovered, which temperature was EXACTLY at the predicted level.
@baryon15 Actually, Our World is around 6,000 years but the Earth without (natural) life has been here for millions, maybe billions. This is the World the bible speaks of "The World that then Was" God created (spiritual) Gen.1:1-The Rebellion Happened- Between Genesis then God created(natural). The Moon also has been measured by its dust to be 6,000 years or younger.This is because the moon did not exist until the earth became(natural) Eze 28:13 talks abt Satan's creation b4 our earth
@SpiritWorldBlog I sincerely hope you are trolling. Show me one peer reviewed journal stating that the moon is 6,000 years old. The hundreds of KGs of lunar rocks shows that it has an age about the same as the Earth, c. 4,6 billion years. I wish you wouldn't be so close minded and actually educate yourself and think critically.
I'm guessing you will retort by saying im close minded for accepting the conclusions scientists, but the scientific method is based on observation and e
@baryon15 Not "trolling" more like correcting. I was brought to this link by someone who thought this video was telling the truth. God/Jesus Christ existed before Horus. He was a spirit in the Spiritual World before he became flesh/human on Earth. Long, Long, Long before Earth was even created.
You're are not close minded, you are just being blinded by your Spirit of Error.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of God
@SpiritWorldBlog Stop making shit up, look at the evidence and accept it. There is no spiritual plane, no Jesus and no Horus. They are personifications of the sun, nothing more.
@theoriginalnoob93 Yes, Satan is the God of this (Corrupted) Earth. - He took it from Adam during the Fall of Man. The Spirit of Error in us is used against us by Satan. Only those who are in Christ replace the Spirit of Error to the Spirit of Truth. This is why Satan/Spirit of Error in others cannot steal us away from God, We see his works and recognize it.
@SocraticFox But you must not forget, there was someone who knew there was something more to the world than what it seemed. (That person was the one offering the blue and red pill.) Apply it to "religion" . . . there are people who knows about GOD's Truth, and things you are not aware of. Taking the Blue Pill will let those who choose it "believe" what THEY want" (ex. God doesn't exist) but that won't make our strange reality change. (ex. He Does)This is because They Do not decide.
There may be something more to the world than what it seems but all religion does is speculate and makes toxic dogmas from this speculation. I do not believe that God does not exist nor that he does; I believe Yeweh does not exist.
(continued) The moral Christian life consisted of self-sacrifice and self-deprivation. And if I heard the video say "religious bloodshed" correctly, I'm going to tentatively assert that the creator (of the video) believes in some objective morality. Now I would like to see the leaders of the Zeitgeist movement teach what is ACTUALLY "correct" in their form of objective morality. The Church could teach a man to live a moral life; can you do better?
(continued) At best, this video is a harsh attack on Christianity by revealing that the Egyptians influenced Judaism and subsequently Christianity, making Christians feel as if their religion is a lie. Even so, the Church did completely standardize its morality doctrines (backed up by much moral philosophy; go read some Aquinas) and tried to teach the people how to be genuinely good people. Christianity ceased to be simply an ideology and became a way of life: a moral life of sacrifice.
(continued) In fact, the Church played a huge role in preserving Roman civilization as best as it could in Europe (despite the pagan Germanic barbarians ransacking the Empire). After "taming" the barbarians, the Church eagerly promoted writing, culture, and civilization in recently torn apart Europe. And if the video assumes that religion is arbitrary and false, it cannot call the years of Christian Europe as "spiritual fraud" in comparison with the previous pagan religions there.
(continued) And the Christian religion would not have been politically motivated as a Roman state religion until it became popular centuries after Christ's death. The Romans actively persecuted the Christian cult and tried to stamp them out (and only failed). Then the video claims that the Vatican's "stranglehold" on religion led to the Dark Ages. This is a horrible misconception of Rome's collapse, and the only part Christianity would have played is the softening of the Roman military state.
Although the video does point out that much of religion is arbitrary from the cultures that produce it, there are a lot of logical errors and even some untrue things. For example, "the cross is a pagan sign coming from the zodiac, and Christianity is actually revering it because of pagan tradition." Although the zodiac does make a cross, isn't it much more likely Christians revere the cross as a holy symbol because Jesus was crucified on one in the typical Roman execution style?
I couldn't sit through all of this, but I've heard the argument before. The difference between the Bible and other religious documents is that the Bible is historically accurate. Nothing in it - even the miraculous parts - have ever been proven false. We can say things such as Egyptian gods and whatnot are false because many of the events in which they take place in have been proven to be fabrications, whereas the events in the Bible are backed up by thousands of other documents.
@therealWesley So if i claim that faeries exist and they live in the amazon rain forest will you believe that? I have given you a factual destination and you can't prove that they aren't there... therefore it has to be fact, right?
@therealWesley So if i claim that faeries exist and they live within the amazon rain forest it immediately becomes fact? Simply because I've added a real destination and because you can't disprove that faeries exist, you will blindly believe in their existence?
@goreturkey1 That alone is not enough proof of fairies. The Bible is backed up by other documents, along with archaeological evidence. I would also like to point out that I didn't say anything about location (even though location is another factor that backs up the things said in the Bible).
@therealWesley - The historical accuracies in the bible simply prove that the writers where intelligent. They placed fictional characters and fictional events into an historically accurate setting. They even threw a few historical people into the story to make it seem real. It's known as a fictional history. Very clever.
And who writes fictional histories? The Romans (see the Augustan History).
@Franknarfable You seem to misunderstand history itself. As you delve deeper into history, and even other religions, you see that much of it complies with the Bible, and that which doesn't can be easily linked to lack of discovery on our part. Many locations, events, etc., in the Bible have been sought to be proved wrong, only to be proven to have an existence, and the questionable things, ie miracles, in the Bible are backed up by an astounding number of unrelated religions.
@therealWesley - Nothing I've said shows a misunderstanding of history. Did you know that Vespasian was recorded to have performed miracles? We both know that he didn't, don't we? Miracles in the bible are not supported in anyway that makes them anymore believable.
I gave you fictional history and I gave you another PROVEN example of a fictional history. Both written at the hands of the educated, the influential, the political and the powerful Romans.
@Franknarfable The Romans, as much as you seem to exalt them, have not always been around. There are many things they could not have possibly known that were in the Bible, and I highly doubt that all of the things that we have discovered recently could have been known by the Romans. Not only that, but the Bible speaks of the evils of the Romans. Think they wrote that about themselves? I'd also like to point out that Rev. prophesies the decline of the Roman empire. Think they knew that, too?
@therealWesley - What things could the Romans not have possibly known? Where does the bible speak of the evils of the Romans?
So revelations is about the decline of the Roman Empire is it? I thought it was supposed to be the revealing of Jesus, the end of Christianity or the end of the world. Don't get me wrong, I have heard that theory, just not been convinced by it. The thing to remember is that prophesies are NOT real, there are only self-fulfilling prophesies.
@Franknarfable The things that they didn't care to look into. The things that we haven't discovered until within the last couple of centuries. The entire NT is full of many parables which hint at the Romans being evil, along with Roman officials being one of the main hinderers of Christ. Also, I meant Daniel (which both prophesied the beginning and end of the Roman empire). Also, may I ask you, how the Romans came up with the Bible in 3 languages they did not know at the time?
@therealWesley - The NT also has many passages that hint at the Romans being god-fearing, like Cornelius the centurion. In fact, that's not even hinted at, it's obvious. The Romans are the law and the NT is clear that the law should be respected.
You need to give examples so I know what you're referring to with... "things they didn't care to look into"... "things that we haven't discovered until (recently)"... and "hint at the Romans being evil".
I am not suggesting the Romans wrote the OT and the NT was written in Koine Greek. A language in which the Romans where fluent. If Jews wrote it then surely it would of been written in Hebrew, but it wasn't.
@Franknarfable The NT was written in various languages, as was the OT, and parts of both of them were written in Hebrew, however, much of it was not because of how diverse the Jews became after being enslaved various times, and if the Romans didn't write them, who did? You can't just assume someone else wrote them without knowing who. The logic of it is flawed. Another thing is that the Bible on many occasions tells of why government is evil (in both the NT and OT).
@therealWesley - "The NT was written in various languages" - No, it was written in Koine Greek and that's a fact. Seriously. Pointless to argue. Just type New Testament into wiki. I am not just assuming the Romans wrote it, I think there is more then enough evidence to support the theory of Roman authorship, both textual and circumstantial. Where is the NT does it say that government is evil? I am genuinely curious.
@Franknarfable I've been studying the NT and OT for years, and the first version of the NT was written in various languages, depending on the location of each chapters respectable writers. It was copied in Greek, but that doesn't mean it was written in Greek. Also, Acts 5:29, Jn 19:11, Rom 2:15, Jn 10:10. I could go on. Also, your argument is flawed. We KNOW who wrote each chapter of the Bible, and we know that most of the NT authors died for what they wrote. Would they die for something fake?
@Franknarfable I'm sorry, but are you an idiot? Who are you to deny what has been proven? First of all, I would like to point out to you that I did show you various places in my last comment where it is said that government is evil in NT. Second of all, the NT was not originally written in Greek. Note how any website that says anything about it being in Greek says it was "PRESERVED" in Greek. And we DO know who wrote the chapters of the Bible, along with proof of NT writers being martyrs.
@therealWesley - Acts 5 29, John 19 11, Romans 2 15, John 10 10 - Explain how just one of those irrelevant verses hints at EVIL Romans?
"NT was not originally written in Greek" - You're a moron watch...
"The Text of the New Testament. Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration. Fourth Edition. Bruce M. Metzger and Bart D. Ehrman - The majority view is that ALL of the books that would eventually form the New Testament were written in Koine Greek"
@therealWesley - "says it was "PRESERVED" in Greek" - Point me to the websites that are encouraging you to talk such bullshit. Thanks.
"And we DO know who wrote the chapters of the Bible, along with proof of NT writers being martyrs" - Show me the proof of just one of the writers being martyred. And we DON'T know who wrote it, I refer you to HIgher Criticism - scholars and experts.
I don't think you could be anymore wrong and this is basic biblical history.
@Franknarfable (continued) - Ancient history has in every case supported the Bible's accuracy as a historical record. The gospels provide multiple reliable accounts of Jesus' life. Archaeology backs up this Biblical account. To top it all off, textual scholars have confirmed that the Bible has not been changed or altered at any point in time, along with being able to pinpoint the actual writers and dates that the books were written. Why don't you stop arguing chance over fact? It's getting old.
@therealWesley - "Ancient history has in every case supported the Bible's accuracy as a historical record" - In every case? So why are do all biblical scholars argue over the historicity of biblical patriarchs? You getting confused AGAIN.
"The gospels provide multiple reliable accounts of Jesus' life" - So you think the bible supports the bible? You think that no other outside evidence is required to confirm biblical reliability?
@therealWesley - "Archaeology backs up this Biblical account" - How on earth does archaeology support the existence of biblical patriarchs? HOW? Explain how archaeology supports the historical Jesus?
"textual scholars have confirmed that the Bible has not been changed or altered at any point in time" - Proving what?
"along with being able to pinpoint the actual writers and dates that the books were written" - They are estimates and those estimates vary right across the board.
I love you for posting this. This is what I have been trying to tell people for a long, long time. It's all just a broken telephone, really... and the game needs to stop.
There are definitely Egyptian and Babylonian plagiarism in the Bible. But you're a noob if you dont realize these elements were "borrowed" not by Christians but by Jews hundreds of years before Christ.
Also the stuff about the pagan solstice and the timing of Easter and Xmas are right (as well documented) but you're a retard if you think the cross is a pagan symbol. I guess the Romans knew that when they crucified him? And lol at Judah = Judas hahahah not even the same name in Hebrew.
lol are you actually arguing that Jesus wasn't a historical figure? hahahaha. Jesus existed, the question is if he was divine. try reading Jesus in the Talmud by Peter Schafer.
Jewish propaganda (as opposed to atheist propaganda) records Jesus as a CONTEMPORARY HISTORICAL figure. the virgin birth masking his origin as the son of a whore and a roman soldier. a loser who went to Egypt (Egypt being a place of immense magic and history) then came back and with tricks to fool faithful Jews.
Isn't it amazing how God built creation as a metaphorical representation of the many things to come? It's like he imprinted the story of salvation into creation. Sweet video.
@notjam3 there is no "virgin birth" the semiramis account of the virgin birth was fabricated. and brought to other cultures. ei Isis, Ashtoreth, Venus, Aphrodite just to name a few. Christ was not born of a virgin that is impossible. you are worshiping an antichrist and u dont even realize it.
Lol, he wasn't crucified, he didn't had 12 disiples, he was a hunter, not a healer, he died every day! Every day! He didn't resurrect after 3 days, this video debunks itself, if not even google or search in a library who the heck was horus geez, It's hard to believe people believe this crap just ebcause it's on a video!
@CrippledKnight He was a healer. Search some more about Horus. The are numerous sites that prove Horus to be as a healer. And google and libraries do have information about Horus. Horus became a healer for people with snake bites and scorpion stings. He was also weakened from fights. He wouldn't die everyday.
This video makes no sense... you listen to this without researching any of the gods depicted in here... Look up who Horus was, even in google. You will see that it almost has nothing to do with this retarded comparisons... he was never refered as a healer... he was a hunter, he didn't die and resurrected on the third day... he dies every day, the list of inconsistencies goes on. Please, research before claiming to be an atheist yet getting your references from occultists... regards...
just because you can logically comprehend the physical reality with "science" doesnt mean that you know the answer... something came from nothing. period. thats "God" "Allah" or "whateverthehellyouwannacallhim" , science proves that when we get caught up in our logic, we forget that we are a part of a much bigger picture with a deeper meaning...cmon science claims that there isnt a meaning of life and that everthing happened "on accident" ... open your eyes people...
@xdBaKe exactly but you cant come to the assumption that it was a supreme being that created everything either. as for the meaning of life that has a simple answer and the answer is that it is to be lived.
I keep hearing people say that this is bullshit but none of them can say what exactly is bullshit.
lasoogneypubes 1 week ago
@lasoogneypubes True. All of this is true, research baby.
Lilypad190 1 week ago
Doesn't the bible mention the dinosaurs somewhere? Not specifically of course but they say something about big lizard monsters don't they?
lasoogneypubes 1 week ago
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The religion part of zeitgeist is debunked. Just search zeitgeist debunked and you will find it..Basically this video is filled with lies.
MrOutsideworld 2 weeks ago
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The religion part of zeitgeist is debunked in this video. Just search zeitgeist debunked and you will find it..Basically this video is filled with lies.
MrOutsideworld 2 weeks ago
interesting choice of notes for sure
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Zeitgeist fraud about Jesus and Christianity. They show unrealistic data and correlation. Anybody who is interested in the topic can Google "Jesus & Horus Parallels - A Christian Response" Here you'll find how many stupid thing do they say in the movie!!!
lomidzeanarocketmail 3 weeks ago
This is BS
mossandthesea 3 weeks ago
This is full of falsehoods including any evidence of crucifictions pre Jesus, or performing of miracles for that matter are NOT on record until then. As I mentioned before, this guy has to be smoking something to connect the words SUN and SON, which are totally different, not to mention the fish, which refers to gathering up more followers of Jesus, not reference to Pisces. Hell of a drug you're on, man.
denisebpowell 3 weeks ago
Also? Here's another thought: This doesn't explain why we search for God, why there are moral injustices and so-called good acts... I'd like to know where this guy stands on that.
denisebpowell 3 weeks ago
Also, guy? There is a difference between Sun and Son. Just sayin.
denisebpowell 3 weeks ago
I never learned that Jesus was born on actual Dec 25th but that the date was chosen to remember it. His actual birth was in summer or some such date.
denisebpowell 3 weeks ago
oh yah and if you're wonderin what type of injury set sustained... he lost a testicle which was his explanation of why the desert is so "unfertile". i could seriously go on and on, it was one of my favorite subjects in high school and college but again, i dont need some horrible excuse of research to tell me there's no god... ive made that decision long ago.
NevahEvahTooLate 1 month ago
@NevahEvahTooLate Good for you!!! Off! Back to the playground whence you came, yes? Just noticin' ;)
Innuendoh 3 weeks ago
actually this could be quite fun... here's another bit of info on this on going battle between horus and set. horus was also believed to have the sun in one eye and the moon in the other, after a very long battle the other gods decided to help ole horus in defeating set (the god of the desert). well in the heat of battle horus's eye was gouged (the moon eye) which is his explaination on why the moon isnt as bright as the sun (in his other eye).
NevahEvahTooLate 1 month ago
ummmm... i dont believe in god, but i dont remember learning in egyption gods 101 that isis was a virgin... there's a lot of holes in this. hasn't anyone else taken any egyption mythology courses? isis gathered up the remains of osiris to get pregnant and unfortunately couldn't find his penis so she made a golden phalus... come on people! do some flippin research before you comment for pete's sake.
NevahEvahTooLate 1 month ago
I know this was not the intention of the video, but this left me in awe at the hand of God in painting a picture of his plan to save us, even thousands of years ago when he flung the stars into space. He knew what was to happen and embedded the story in the artwork of his creation way back at the beginning of time. That's pretty awesome.
fatscotsgal 1 month ago
@fatscotsgal
Kill yourself now
nikolaypr 1 month ago
@fatscotsgal I'm glad you admit that your God is all knowing. That way it's easy for me to discern that God is the accountable for abortions because he knowingly gives babies to women who end up getting an abortion. So then it leaves two solutions.
A. God gives babies to women he knows will get an abortion
B. Your God isn't all knowing.
I'm fine with either answer.
MyloDude22 1 month ago
@MyloDude22 If the all powerful all knowing God can turn pharos heart to reject moses, he can change the heart of the world for good. If Jesus said there is only one that is good and thats god, why did he say, I will turn neighbor against neighbor, city against city, father against son and so on. How about slaves obey your masters. ow about invading Iraq, or Korea, or Vietnam? Where's the (ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD). The onipitent god sure put alot of death in his creation.
34eeelive 3 weeks ago
@34eeelive Your point? Are you going to bring up that. "life is unfair" and "why can't amputees be healed" next? Out with it, yes? Just sayin' ;)
Innuendoh 3 weeks ago
@MyloDude22 YEAH, what about the unborn babies. The all knowing aparently isnt all good. This stuff isnt adding up at all. If Jesus is the prince of peace and his daddy is the only one that is truly good (but he can be jeleous sometimes), how can you and I see that this utopia is really fuc*ed up. Isnt God all knowing (from beginning to end) that is bullcrapt folks and you know it. Lets WAKE UP from the mind game.
34eeelive 3 weeks ago
@34eeelive I have friends who are Calvinists who don't believe in free will. They say God creates people knowing who will and who won't accept Jesus. But I thought your God was all loving?!?!?! Thomas Jefferson, my favorite founder wrote of Calvinism, ""I can never join Calvin in addressing his god... his religion was Dæmonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did." Christians who all "supposedly believe in the same thing" are constantly arguing between each other about "God's design"
MyloDude22 3 weeks ago
Beyond the Devil by C. Neron
NeronBeyondtheDevil 1 month ago
If you don't accept this truth you are obviously brainwashed, I'm so grateful that I can think for myself, I do feel a tiny bit sorry for all you sad suckers, I fell into the trap myself for awhile as a child , trusting and believing adults, then I saw the light , I'm not biased as hate all religions for the way it's destroying my planet and people. Come on mugs waken up, it's not too late YET,. it's great being honest.
gasmeter1947 1 month ago
I just watched the entire video. It all makes sense...
Someone7089 1 month ago
@Someone7089 I KNOW RIGHT?! all that time as a child waisted on praying and worshiping a "god" that never existed but was brought into history to over-moralized and control the masses... I'm in complete awe.
RegineWuzzHere 1 month ago
18:42 and Mohammad! ALL M's!
Copain1105 1 month ago 4
I was raised as a christian... Until around 14 i never questioned anything. Then i started to question myself. After watching this i feel like my first part of my life i had been LIED to.. am i the only one who gets enraged at the religion you were born into after watching this??
customgamerAMD 1 month ago
Thank you, i needed this to shut some people up lol
NafeesAllCity 1 month ago
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6:10 This alignment happens 365 days a year...Nowhere does the Bible claim Jesus was born on the 25th, nor does it mention three kings/wisemen.
The solstice is on the 22nd, so the Sun "not moving" would be on the 21st, 22nd and 23rd, not 23/24/25.
Easter is on April 8th, 2012, the solstice is on March 20th.
Why lie so much if you are trying to prove your ideas are truth?
RetSquid 1 month ago
Hey, the star wasnt seen in the eastern sky, they saw it when they were in the east. In other words, they were in an eastern country. Then they walked west toward Bethlehem. So you have error in what you say. The enemy Satan always pre empts what Gods plan is. Always. He also blinds minds of the best thinkers. Smile, Your on buddy
Gerrymusicteacher 1 month ago
@Gerrymusicteacher
To your actual question, go read Matthew 2:2
""Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."
Star in the East, just as the video poster says. I see no error here.
Furthermore, even if this tiny detail out of the entire video was, in fact, an error, what influence does that have on the rest of what is presented? The symbolism would still apply in either case.
Smile, YOU'RE (you are) on buddy.
Applesmaush 1 month ago
"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it.”
-George Bernard Shaw ☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆
and that is the reason for the 42 dumbasses who dislike this video.
watchWorld100 1 month ago 2
@DrHouth it is a all a product of evolution and it makes sense than a product of a perfect god. a perfect god that creates racism, cancer, wars, hunger and poverty? makes no sense to me.
watchWorld100 1 month ago
@DrHouth u cannot trully believe in jesus when u believe in science. science tells us that we are a product of evolution. the crap bible tells us that we are created in "god's" image and likeness and that we came from eve and adam. science tells us that earth existed billions of years ago while the bible tells us that it was 5 thousand years ago. science is based on logic and truth. the bible is blind faith.
watchWorld100 1 month ago
So many eye witnesses seen that sun Rise!~ it was a human being though!
newb4714 1 month ago
@DrHouth u r really funny. and i pity you coz u have been trapped by a lie. isn't this video clear than chrisitianity just like other religion is a copy of the older religion. isn't that clear that all religion is a lie?
watchWorld100 1 month ago
Nice video. Reinforced many things ive been telling people. Now I show them this. Thanks.
AwakeNsleepy 1 month ago
@DrHouth "people believe in religion, afterlife, psychic because it makes them happy.... and no amount of evidence that can convince them that what they have believed in is a lie. - - john stossel
watchWorld100 1 month ago
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Cammatemple2 1 month ago
Even if a few things are wrong, majority is right.
The evidence for Jesus being a myth far outweighs him being real, the similarities are undeniable.
daisatronik 1 month ago
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SacTappingUnicorn 1 month ago
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@daisatronik just like the teacup in outer space, you can not confirm that Jesus is fake. I'm not playing a word game with you though, I am saying that Jesus has been documented so many times beyond the scripture, that it would be absurd, to logically conclude that he never existed in history, even apart from him being God in the flesh.
SacTappingUnicorn 1 month ago
Many interesting concepts. Although I must say that most christian know that jesus was not actually born on December 25th. The ancient church simply put it on that day so that their faith could compete with all the others that also fell on that day.
NickoliLion 1 month ago
The sun doesnt move. The earth rotates on an axis.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx And they knew that in the bronze ages? This is the explanation as to how people used what they saw as the sun moving to embody it as their god, later people personified that belief into man-like gods.
antdominin 1 month ago
"I've been begging and pleading for you people to listen
The cage is not locked, start leaving the prison
I understand that man has a need for religion
with nuclear bomb, pinpoint needle precision, listen
No god, no master left
Man, woman, child, marked for death, motherfucker" -Vents
daisatronik 2 months ago
Behtlehem translates to "House of Bread"
Is that a joke? How does it translate?
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx "Bayit" in Hebrew means "House", while "Lahem" means Bread. Look it up.
The40thThief 2 months ago
@The40thThief I understand.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
This is just one excuse not to believe.
Clever, really clever. But simple when you think about it.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx You don't need excuses to not believe in a deity,
You need them to believe in one.
daisatronik 2 months ago
@daisatronik How so?
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
this is false do not believe this Jesus was real Noah was also real and they were sent here on earth by god,and if you cant see this ,asshole, then look up in the sky how the sun and the moon are in an alignment, they both are in order the sun knows when to set and when to rise who do you think is commanding this universe huh? dont tell me it was a chemical reaction that never happens why dont you try creating a sun a moon a whole universe you wont cause you cant and that is why god is real
Carnage1998tm 2 months ago
Mitrah was born from a rock, not from a virgin.
This is intentional misinformation.
belegulo 2 months ago 2
@belegulo Are you saying someone fucked that rock prior to Mitrah's birth?
monkeypickle23 2 months ago 4
@belegulo Naughty, naughty rock!
The40thThief 2 months ago
Dude, this is a wonderful insite of fact. And it is such a lie, and millions and millions of people were killed and are killed. You sound like Chuck Norris, Great narration? How do I reach you or email you.
gbadri1 2 months ago
Yaweh is a volcano god and Jesus is the sun/son everything else in those books are myths and doctrines put in by men to control soceity, if it was really the Creator who inspired those works, why is it that in the Bible it gives detalied instructions on how to go to war, how to treat slaves, and why did he ask for so many sacrifices and offerings butchering innocent animals for the sake of giving him a ''pleasent odor'', if u think the world is fucked up the bible and religion is the blame
fhab525 2 months ago
I find people who claim to be absolutely sure there is no God and who ridicule those who disagree - just as unreasonable as those who are absolutely sure that every word of the Bible is true and warn that all who question any part of the Bible or the supremacy of the God described in the Bible are condemned to eternal damnation. On both sides, the zealotry is the equal.
Skierchick1 2 months ago
Christians, heed this warning: There's a strong chance that you won't be happy after watching this video. Unless you're fine with deliberately crushing your understanding of the universe, leave now.
Tokeupbro 2 months ago
@Tokeupbro Why should they leave? EVERY christian on earth should be forced to watch this video.
Heklep 2 months ago 2
@Heklep
I don't like making people unhappy ;)
Tokeupbro 2 months ago
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Tokeupbro 2 months ago
Watch this:
The Truth Movement and Religion: A Muslim Response to David Icke
Nebulous1982 2 months ago
@Nebulous1982 Watch this:
watch?v=eTMV-uBYkWo&feature=g-hist&context=G2f6760eAHTvo0QgAQAA
TheSyrupMan 2 months ago
There is no way you can still be a Christian after watching this.
TheSyrupMan 2 months ago
@TheSyrupMan
This is so true? Unbelievable? And there are millions attending churches, The Vaticans, is running the world, and all the prayers and talk about Morality? such bullshit
gbadri1 2 months ago
@gbadri1 Uhhhh what? You make no coherent sense.
TheSyrupMan 2 months ago
i asked my 11 year old brother if he believed in God and he said:
i don't believe in santa claus so why would i believe in God?
i'm so proud of my little bro...
JwayT 2 months ago 22
@JwayT Smart kid, it's sad when they get brainwashed early and pass it on.
phurt89 1 month ago
@JwayT
Your brother is smarter than most grownups lol
AzumGaming 1 month ago
@JwayT You must have taught him well.
newb4714 1 month ago
@JwayT you realise he is probably an atheist and believes like Darwinism, the big ban theory, and the evolution progress?... which is probably even worst!
almasdp 1 month ago
@JwayT And yet your lil bro believes you are of the character that he should give a shit to make you proud , yes? GLITCH!!! Read into that one, Slick! Just laughin' ;)
Innuendoh 3 weeks ago
@Innuendoh yes he does believe that because thats my job as his older brother and I AM REAL
JwayT 3 weeks ago
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Innuendoh 2 weeks ago
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@JwayT Need an aspirin for that headache, Champ!?! Hehehe Yes? Just askin' ;)
Innuendoh 2 weeks ago
@JwayT As REAL as my dick being slapped across your face, yes? Just notin';)
Innuendoh 2 weeks ago
I can either face reality as it is, without preconception, and acknowledge that within the structure of my being I have a longing for the infinite and an insatiable question about my meaning. As Luigi Giussani says, I can 'call a spade a spade.' I can embrace reality and let myself be drawn to everything that touches me. Or, I can set myself against reality, with "arms flung in front of your eyes to ward off unwelcomed and unexpected blows" and in ignoring the real that is before me
mssmlpl 2 months ago
Thus man does not recognize God solely by science or philosophy, but by his free choice. You can choose to not acknowledge God, even though it is an unreasonable decision that contradicts your nature. Louis Althusser, when discussing the existence of God and Marxism, held that "the problem is not one of reason, but option
mssmlpl 2 months ago
A lot of the bible myths are written around the zodiac sign. Christians would never admit to this.
creamone 2 months ago
Thumbs up, finally the truth.
creamone 2 months ago 2
THIS IS SOME SICK FUCKED UP SHIT we living in a fantasy world
theoriginalnoob93 2 months ago
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Dinosaurs will come out from underground; antichrist is a white gay man with red eyes; mark of the antichrist is a green electronic tattoo with sixes that is given when one stretches their hand to receive a new small gray world passport; ufos=demons=aliens=ascended masters=ghosts=channeled entities=dead relatives during seances; atlantis is underneath mariana trench; china will attack russia; don't worship the antichrist; don't take his mark; don't go into a ufo ship under any circumstances.
goodinfotoknow 2 months ago
All deranged statements about God above or below this comment are now invalid.
daisatronik 2 months ago
Also, Jesus was not born on December 25th.
ScriptedFire 2 months ago
Read "The Case for the Real Jesus" - it debunks all of this.
ScriptedFire 2 months ago
@ScriptedFire How, by saying "God did it", or something like that.
That's not proof, that''s ignorance.
daisatronik 2 months ago
@daisatronik No. It takes no leap of faith. Making assumptions like that is what's ignorant. You should read it.
ScriptedFire 2 months ago
Very convincing, very factual, but I will provide my epistemology on what we are seeing here.
- Most importantly; let us assume that the waning of religion continues as it does. Let us assume that many atheists grow cocky and hostile in correlation to their ideas' success, as they have. We do not deem religion as an outright stupidity, as that is zealotry. We do not deem religion as a crime, as that is fascism.
Please. I am a Philosopher before I am a Theist, and I urge you all to consider.
Ultermarto 2 months ago
Excellent naration and video...but lacking any truth concerning Yeshua or YHWH. They need to experience in heart instead of head...which they got wrong anyway. Dr. Daniel Robinette servant of YHWH.
BrDanielRobinette 2 months ago
Every holiday mentioned during this video is pagan and are forbidden by followers of YHWH. Oh just for reference for all who still have a bible...Ezekiel 9 says that the apostate chuch of the last days will 1. Have 25 elders instead of 24 he chose this is (Paul) worship Tammuz (easter resurrection) worship on sunday instead of YHWH's day Saturday.
BrDanielRobinette 2 months ago
Wow. Excellent videography and narration. The only problem is that the name Jesus was originally Yeshua. The original King James (1611) called him ieZeus. LAter translations changed it to the French words I AM Je sus. He was born on the 15th of Tishra which is the Feast of Tabernacles not Christmas. He was resurrected on the third day of Passover not easter morning. Tammuz was. Easter is the same idol that Elijah cut off the heads of her prophets with the prophets of Baal.
BrDanielRobinette 2 months ago
Religion is the naturally occurring social construct that occurs when the Schizotypal (look it up) gene is present in the general population. Schizotypal people self-assign themselves as seers or priests that can communicate with the spirit world or act on behalf of the Gods. In fact Schizotypal people are simply genetic carriers of the schizophrenic gene. Schizotypal are on the spectrum in a socially acceptable way. Jesus, if he existed, was certainly Schizotypal.
rcguy69 2 months ago
1. Jesus Christ was not born on Dec, let alone Dec 25. His real birth date was corrupted by the Pagans. His birth date was in September 3 BC (long b4 3000BC.) - Rosh Hashanah
2. Horus, Attis, Krishna, Mithra . . . ect were all Carbon Copies of the Original (Jesus Christ.)
ONLY Jesus Christ is the way to GOD and the Truth. GOD says Jesus Christ is his son, not Horus, not Krishna, not Mithra. Satan comes to deceive the World.
Do not be deceived!
Google: All Religions and Beliefs Explained Vip
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog The mythological characters (Horus, Attis, Krishna, Mithra etc), all lived before your mythological deity. Although there are many factual errors in this film, pretty much all forms of organized religion today is dumb beyond reckoning.
baryon15 2 months ago
@baryon15 The Word of God is NOT a religion. I don't include myself in religion.
The Bible is timeline of the World and the Truth of the World. The Whole World belongs to Satan, that's why it's "against" God and his teachings.
The Bible even says it. -1 John 5:19.
Google: All Religions and Beliefs Explained Vip
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog Nope, not at all. We know that the world is roughly 4,6 billion years old, not around 6000. Since Hubble observed the universal red shift in the early nineteen-hundreds we've known that the Universe is expanding; that at one point it was all mashed up in what we today call a singularity. The final proof of course came in 1960 when cosmic background radiation was discovered, which temperature was EXACTLY at the predicted level.
baryon15 2 months ago
@baryon15 Actually, Our World is around 6,000 years but the Earth without (natural) life has been here for millions, maybe billions. This is the World the bible speaks of "The World that then Was" God created (spiritual) Gen.1:1-The Rebellion Happened- Between Genesis then God created(natural). The Moon also has been measured by its dust to be 6,000 years or younger.This is because the moon did not exist until the earth became(natural) Eze 28:13 talks abt Satan's creation b4 our earth
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog I sincerely hope you are trolling. Show me one peer reviewed journal stating that the moon is 6,000 years old. The hundreds of KGs of lunar rocks shows that it has an age about the same as the Earth, c. 4,6 billion years. I wish you wouldn't be so close minded and actually educate yourself and think critically.
I'm guessing you will retort by saying im close minded for accepting the conclusions scientists, but the scientific method is based on observation and e
baryon15 2 months ago
@baryon15 Not "trolling" more like correcting. I was brought to this link by someone who thought this video was telling the truth. God/Jesus Christ existed before Horus. He was a spirit in the Spiritual World before he became flesh/human on Earth. Long, Long, Long before Earth was even created.
You're are not close minded, you are just being blinded by your Spirit of Error.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of God
- 2 Corinthians 4:4
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog Stop making shit up, look at the evidence and accept it. There is no spiritual plane, no Jesus and no Horus. They are personifications of the sun, nothing more.
daisatronik 2 months ago
@daisatronik Trust me when I say this, one day you will find out that I was right.
The Evidence of the World could be flawed, the Word of God's Truth/Evidence is from God and has no error.
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog hear what u just said the god of this age has blinded our minds ukno tiz satan is god right now
theoriginalnoob93 2 months ago
@theoriginalnoob93 Yes, Satan is the God of this (Corrupted) Earth. - He took it from Adam during the Fall of Man. The Spirit of Error in us is used against us by Satan. Only those who are in Christ replace the Spirit of Error to the Spirit of Truth. This is why Satan/Spirit of Error in others cannot steal us away from God, We see his works and recognize it.
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
Religion = Matrix.
Critical thinking = red pill.
SocraticFox 2 months ago
@SocraticFox But you must not forget, there was someone who knew there was something more to the world than what it seemed. (That person was the one offering the blue and red pill.) Apply it to "religion" . . . there are people who knows about GOD's Truth, and things you are not aware of. Taking the Blue Pill will let those who choose it "believe" what THEY want" (ex. God doesn't exist) but that won't make our strange reality change. (ex. He Does)This is because They Do not decide.
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog
There may be something more to the world than what it seems but all religion does is speculate and makes toxic dogmas from this speculation. I do not believe that God does not exist nor that he does; I believe Yeweh does not exist.
SocraticFox 2 months ago
Cool story bro...
Jokerseven77 2 months ago
coming in the clouds huh...
mimikawaii7386 2 months ago
OMG Horus has so many in common with christianity's jesus.
I'm an atheist but gonna have to go with Horus this time, just cause he's more badass..
mimikawaii7386 2 months ago
I hate how people think they can say something is true, or a fact. Nobody really can determine.
MaybePotatoes 2 months ago
stop writing essays
8MunchenBayern8 3 months ago
amazing video
8MunchenBayern8 3 months ago
(continued) The moral Christian life consisted of self-sacrifice and self-deprivation. And if I heard the video say "religious bloodshed" correctly, I'm going to tentatively assert that the creator (of the video) believes in some objective morality. Now I would like to see the leaders of the Zeitgeist movement teach what is ACTUALLY "correct" in their form of objective morality. The Church could teach a man to live a moral life; can you do better?
askmrlizard 3 months ago
(continued) At best, this video is a harsh attack on Christianity by revealing that the Egyptians influenced Judaism and subsequently Christianity, making Christians feel as if their religion is a lie. Even so, the Church did completely standardize its morality doctrines (backed up by much moral philosophy; go read some Aquinas) and tried to teach the people how to be genuinely good people. Christianity ceased to be simply an ideology and became a way of life: a moral life of sacrifice.
askmrlizard 3 months ago
(continued) In fact, the Church played a huge role in preserving Roman civilization as best as it could in Europe (despite the pagan Germanic barbarians ransacking the Empire). After "taming" the barbarians, the Church eagerly promoted writing, culture, and civilization in recently torn apart Europe. And if the video assumes that religion is arbitrary and false, it cannot call the years of Christian Europe as "spiritual fraud" in comparison with the previous pagan religions there.
askmrlizard 3 months ago
(continued) And the Christian religion would not have been politically motivated as a Roman state religion until it became popular centuries after Christ's death. The Romans actively persecuted the Christian cult and tried to stamp them out (and only failed). Then the video claims that the Vatican's "stranglehold" on religion led to the Dark Ages. This is a horrible misconception of Rome's collapse, and the only part Christianity would have played is the softening of the Roman military state.
askmrlizard 3 months ago
Although the video does point out that much of religion is arbitrary from the cultures that produce it, there are a lot of logical errors and even some untrue things. For example, "the cross is a pagan sign coming from the zodiac, and Christianity is actually revering it because of pagan tradition." Although the zodiac does make a cross, isn't it much more likely Christians revere the cross as a holy symbol because Jesus was crucified on one in the typical Roman execution style?
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stuckupcurlyguy 3 months ago
Nah sorry, I don't buy it. 90% of the content in the video he is relating it too is man-made information about non-artificial existences.
The links seem far too weak! And i'm not religious, I just think the Zeitgeist movement makes less sense than Christianity.
Sherkriek 3 months ago
WOW 0.0
GRIMREAPER25002 3 months ago
cant believe theres dislikes... alotta sheep in here
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Mtecktone 2 months ago
Why is this video on the urban dictionary for SNSD?
AuretaAurie 3 months ago
I couldn't sit through all of this, but I've heard the argument before. The difference between the Bible and other religious documents is that the Bible is historically accurate. Nothing in it - even the miraculous parts - have ever been proven false. We can say things such as Egyptian gods and whatnot are false because many of the events in which they take place in have been proven to be fabrications, whereas the events in the Bible are backed up by thousands of other documents.
therealWesley 4 months ago
@therealWesley So if i claim that faeries exist and they live in the amazon rain forest will you believe that? I have given you a factual destination and you can't prove that they aren't there... therefore it has to be fact, right?
goreturkey1 3 months ago
@therealWesley So if i claim that faeries exist and they live within the amazon rain forest it immediately becomes fact? Simply because I've added a real destination and because you can't disprove that faeries exist, you will blindly believe in their existence?
goreturkey1 3 months ago
@goreturkey1 That alone is not enough proof of fairies. The Bible is backed up by other documents, along with archaeological evidence. I would also like to point out that I didn't say anything about location (even though location is another factor that backs up the things said in the Bible).
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - The historical accuracies in the bible simply prove that the writers where intelligent. They placed fictional characters and fictional events into an historically accurate setting. They even threw a few historical people into the story to make it seem real. It's known as a fictional history. Very clever.
And who writes fictional histories? The Romans (see the Augustan History).
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable You seem to misunderstand history itself. As you delve deeper into history, and even other religions, you see that much of it complies with the Bible, and that which doesn't can be easily linked to lack of discovery on our part. Many locations, events, etc., in the Bible have been sought to be proved wrong, only to be proven to have an existence, and the questionable things, ie miracles, in the Bible are backed up by an astounding number of unrelated religions.
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - Nothing I've said shows a misunderstanding of history. Did you know that Vespasian was recorded to have performed miracles? We both know that he didn't, don't we? Miracles in the bible are not supported in anyway that makes them anymore believable.
I gave you fictional history and I gave you another PROVEN example of a fictional history. Both written at the hands of the educated, the influential, the political and the powerful Romans.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable The Romans, as much as you seem to exalt them, have not always been around. There are many things they could not have possibly known that were in the Bible, and I highly doubt that all of the things that we have discovered recently could have been known by the Romans. Not only that, but the Bible speaks of the evils of the Romans. Think they wrote that about themselves? I'd also like to point out that Rev. prophesies the decline of the Roman empire. Think they knew that, too?
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - What things could the Romans not have possibly known? Where does the bible speak of the evils of the Romans?
So revelations is about the decline of the Roman Empire is it? I thought it was supposed to be the revealing of Jesus, the end of Christianity or the end of the world. Don't get me wrong, I have heard that theory, just not been convinced by it. The thing to remember is that prophesies are NOT real, there are only self-fulfilling prophesies.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable The things that they didn't care to look into. The things that we haven't discovered until within the last couple of centuries. The entire NT is full of many parables which hint at the Romans being evil, along with Roman officials being one of the main hinderers of Christ. Also, I meant Daniel (which both prophesied the beginning and end of the Roman empire). Also, may I ask you, how the Romans came up with the Bible in 3 languages they did not know at the time?
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - The NT also has many passages that hint at the Romans being god-fearing, like Cornelius the centurion. In fact, that's not even hinted at, it's obvious. The Romans are the law and the NT is clear that the law should be respected.
You need to give examples so I know what you're referring to with... "things they didn't care to look into"... "things that we haven't discovered until (recently)"... and "hint at the Romans being evil".
Daniel? I'm talking about the NT.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@therealWesley - cont'd
I am not suggesting the Romans wrote the OT and the NT was written in Koine Greek. A language in which the Romans where fluent. If Jews wrote it then surely it would of been written in Hebrew, but it wasn't.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable The NT was written in various languages, as was the OT, and parts of both of them were written in Hebrew, however, much of it was not because of how diverse the Jews became after being enslaved various times, and if the Romans didn't write them, who did? You can't just assume someone else wrote them without knowing who. The logic of it is flawed. Another thing is that the Bible on many occasions tells of why government is evil (in both the NT and OT).
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - "The NT was written in various languages" - No, it was written in Koine Greek and that's a fact. Seriously. Pointless to argue. Just type New Testament into wiki. I am not just assuming the Romans wrote it, I think there is more then enough evidence to support the theory of Roman authorship, both textual and circumstantial. Where is the NT does it say that government is evil? I am genuinely curious.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable I've been studying the NT and OT for years, and the first version of the NT was written in various languages, depending on the location of each chapters respectable writers. It was copied in Greek, but that doesn't mean it was written in Greek. Also, Acts 5:29, Jn 19:11, Rom 2:15, Jn 10:10. I could go on. Also, your argument is flawed. We KNOW who wrote each chapter of the Bible, and we know that most of the NT authors died for what they wrote. Would they die for something fake?
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - You're wrong. The NT was originally written in Koine Greek. End of.
"We KNOW who wrote each chapter of the Bible" - WRONG. See Higher Criticism or any modern scholar.
"Most of the NT authors died for what they wrote" - No they didn't.
"Would they die for something fake?" - They are fake. No-one died.
AGAIN - Where in the NT does it say that the government is evil? If you've been studying this for years then you should be able to answer that.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable I'm sorry, but are you an idiot? Who are you to deny what has been proven? First of all, I would like to point out to you that I did show you various places in my last comment where it is said that government is evil in NT. Second of all, the NT was not originally written in Greek. Note how any website that says anything about it being in Greek says it was "PRESERVED" in Greek. And we DO know who wrote the chapters of the Bible, along with proof of NT writers being martyrs.
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - Acts 5 29, John 19 11, Romans 2 15, John 10 10 - Explain how just one of those irrelevant verses hints at EVIL Romans?
"NT was not originally written in Greek" - You're a moron watch...
"The Text of the New Testament. Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration. Fourth Edition. Bruce M. Metzger and Bart D. Ehrman - The majority view is that ALL of the books that would eventually form the New Testament were written in Koine Greek"
Sort your head out.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@therealWesley - "says it was "PRESERVED" in Greek" - Point me to the websites that are encouraging you to talk such bullshit. Thanks.
"And we DO know who wrote the chapters of the Bible, along with proof of NT writers being martyrs" - Show me the proof of just one of the writers being martyred. And we DON'T know who wrote it, I refer you to HIgher Criticism - scholars and experts.
I don't think you could be anymore wrong and this is basic biblical history.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable (continued) - Ancient history has in every case supported the Bible's accuracy as a historical record. The gospels provide multiple reliable accounts of Jesus' life. Archaeology backs up this Biblical account. To top it all off, textual scholars have confirmed that the Bible has not been changed or altered at any point in time, along with being able to pinpoint the actual writers and dates that the books were written. Why don't you stop arguing chance over fact? It's getting old.
therealWesley 3 months ago
@therealWesley - "Ancient history has in every case supported the Bible's accuracy as a historical record" - In every case? So why are do all biblical scholars argue over the historicity of biblical patriarchs? You getting confused AGAIN.
"The gospels provide multiple reliable accounts of Jesus' life" - So you think the bible supports the bible? You think that no other outside evidence is required to confirm biblical reliability?
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@therealWesley - "Archaeology backs up this Biblical account" - How on earth does archaeology support the existence of biblical patriarchs? HOW? Explain how archaeology supports the historical Jesus?
"textual scholars have confirmed that the Bible has not been changed or altered at any point in time" - Proving what?
"along with being able to pinpoint the actual writers and dates that the books were written" - They are estimates and those estimates vary right across the board.
Schooled.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
I love you for posting this. This is what I have been trying to tell people for a long, long time. It's all just a broken telephone, really... and the game needs to stop.
hermitcrablover 4 months ago 18
There are definitely Egyptian and Babylonian plagiarism in the Bible. But you're a noob if you dont realize these elements were "borrowed" not by Christians but by Jews hundreds of years before Christ.
Also the stuff about the pagan solstice and the timing of Easter and Xmas are right (as well documented) but you're a retard if you think the cross is a pagan symbol. I guess the Romans knew that when they crucified him? And lol at Judah = Judas hahahah not even the same name in Hebrew.
shalom1948hellyeah 4 months ago
@shalom1948hellyeah If jesus didn't exist; Then the fact that the Romans crucified him was fake too since there was no Jesus to kill.
lavabone 4 months ago
lol are you actually arguing that Jesus wasn't a historical figure? hahahaha. Jesus existed, the question is if he was divine. try reading Jesus in the Talmud by Peter Schafer.
Jewish propaganda (as opposed to atheist propaganda) records Jesus as a CONTEMPORARY HISTORICAL figure. the virgin birth masking his origin as the son of a whore and a roman soldier. a loser who went to Egypt (Egypt being a place of immense magic and history) then came back and with tricks to fool faithful Jews.
shalom1948hellyeah 4 months ago
Cool propaganda, Bro
dallas2denton 4 months ago
us humans and everything else around us came from the core of the sun
veiganation 4 months ago
Isn't it amazing how God built creation as a metaphorical representation of the many things to come? It's like he imprinted the story of salvation into creation. Sweet video.
PvtMingus 4 months ago
My Dad has been talking about the Sun as if it were God for ages, long before this movie was released. He's a pretty cool guy. Love you Dad.
zillajratomicray 5 months ago
@notjam3 there is no "virgin birth" the semiramis account of the virgin birth was fabricated. and brought to other cultures. ei Isis, Ashtoreth, Venus, Aphrodite just to name a few. Christ was not born of a virgin that is impossible. you are worshiping an antichrist and u dont even realize it.
hoogys 5 months ago
Lol, he wasn't crucified, he didn't had 12 disiples, he was a hunter, not a healer, he died every day! Every day! He didn't resurrect after 3 days, this video debunks itself, if not even google or search in a library who the heck was horus geez, It's hard to believe people believe this crap just ebcause it's on a video!
CrippledKnight 5 months ago
@CrippledKnight He was a healer. Search some more about Horus. The are numerous sites that prove Horus to be as a healer. And google and libraries do have information about Horus. Horus became a healer for people with snake bites and scorpion stings. He was also weakened from fights. He wouldn't die everyday.
lavabone 4 months ago
This video makes no sense... you listen to this without researching any of the gods depicted in here... Look up who Horus was, even in google. You will see that it almost has nothing to do with this retarded comparisons... he was never refered as a healer... he was a hunter, he didn't die and resurrected on the third day... he dies every day, the list of inconsistencies goes on. Please, research before claiming to be an atheist yet getting your references from occultists... regards...
CrippledKnight 5 months ago
just because you can logically comprehend the physical reality with "science" doesnt mean that you know the answer... something came from nothing. period. thats "God" "Allah" or "whateverthehellyouwannacallhim" , science proves that when we get caught up in our logic, we forget that we are a part of a much bigger picture with a deeper meaning...cmon science claims that there isnt a meaning of life and that everthing happened "on accident" ... open your eyes people...
xdBaKe 5 months ago
@xdBaKe exactly but you cant come to the assumption that it was a supreme being that created everything either. as for the meaning of life that has a simple answer and the answer is that it is to be lived.
ImmortalTechHC 5 months ago
@xdBaKe science doesnt claim shit happened on accident...just says we dont know
8MunchenBayern8 3 months ago
finally real proof to prove to them stupid believers lol