I only have one objection. If the country is truly functioning, AND is actually a good country to live, why wouldnt the dictator be elected if they opened for democracy?
For example, I believe the communists would be elected in Cuba if they opened for elections. Why? Because their lifes are hundreds of times better under this current dictatorship then what it used to be.
anyway, cenceptually democracy is way better, cause with a dictatorship, you rely solely on luck.
in the ancient Empire of Rome (although de jure it was a republic in a permanent state of martial law) there was once a benevolent dictator. he had no children (or at least no sons), so he chose his successor, that in his turn did the exact same thing. however the fifth benevolent dictator had a son. that son became possibly the worst tyrant of all of Rome's history.
democracy is unconstitutional in the USA. The Constitution of The United States Republic establishes a REPUBLIC.. Definitions are not allowed outside of the INSTRUMENT. Maurbury vs Madison establishes the constitution as the supreme law of the land. , where in in the articles of the constitution is democracy establlished or supported. in the pledge of allegiance it states WHAT? TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS
I think mass democracy is the most ill concieved system of government ever devised. We don't think democracy is right for our schools or military or businesses so why should it work for government? For democracy to work it must have a very smart, well informed, and objective majority of voters. No country has ever had or ever will have anything close. The sad fact is that most voters are lazy, ignorant, and very easily persuaded by liars and charlatans.
@mikesheen741 Depends how you define benevolent. Gaddafi did a lot of good for Libya . He provided universal health care, opposed apartheid, was committed to reforestation, made Libya the 4th richest country in Africa, he connected the entire continent to telephones, tv and radio broadcasting, and he was also a main contributor to funds for African countries. Another benevolent dictator is Hugo Chavez. Not everyone will be happy with their leader, dictator or elected, that's impossible.
@fukimotoz Are you really defending Gaddafi? He tourtured and murder his own citizens and he threatened my country, The United Kingdom with a "Holy war" if we did not hand over a terrorist, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, to him. And on top of all that his own people rebelled against him. I don't think they saw him as benevolent.
@mikesheen741 I'm simply pointing out some of the good he did. I am not defending the bad stuff. The USA is torturing people in Guantanamo, so it's not about who's torturing who. The point I am trying to make, is that this conflict in Libya has nothing to do with bringing democracy, or justice to someone that used torture, it's about money and resources.
@TrueStoryTV Gaddafi was fine. All the people had healthcare almost everybody was literate, almost everybody had a job and home and he was going to put his country back on the gold standard. The west 2 years ago were praising Gaddafi articles all over the place and once he decided to go to the Gold Dinar and remove his country from the world bank all of a sudden he was equivalent to Satan and had to be killed.
@mikesheen741 You say he tourtured and murdered, the U.K. and U.S. do both on a daily basis. SMH. U.S. and the U.K. invaded Iraq and took over the country killing thousands of civilians. They didn't just threaten war. They actually did it. I know it's hard to face the facts but it's true. You just have to look at things with an open mind and take it for what it is.
And George Carlin use to say: white collar shirt, blue collar shirt, doesn't matter what color collar shirt you have on, good hard honest working people continue (these are the people with modest beings continue) to elect these rich cock suckers who don't give of fuck about them.
@bigotmaster No the people of the country want these things. In a democracy it is majority rules. So when most of the country wants to be in bed with Isreal no matter how bad it might be for the country it is going to happean. The people are the ones who keep American Idol on why are u suprise when they vote for idiots to run the country.
Why do you think that democracy = gov doing what majority wants?
The USA is a prime example of this failure at work. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan routinely rate at below 50% for continuing them. Yet they continue. Why?
Because "democracy" is a way of deciding things, not a way of guaranteeing a desired outcome. If the people holding the elections in the democracy choose to not hold a ballot on the idea of stopping the Iraq war then what happens?
@sdkee Actually we went into both of these wars with the full support of all the people. Slowly over time both of these wars have lost popularity which is why we are starting pull out of both wars even though it really is going to lead to a bigger mess. Truth of the matter is that people are stupid and do not do enough research to really understand who actually does the best for everybody. People are to busy looking out for theirown self-intrerest. The problem is the people not polititians.
This is very true. Most people forget that yes there have been benevolent dictators and sometimes those countries in protecting themselves against foreign intervention need dictators. Not to mention if the public needs to be educated how could you give an illiterate population or highly religious population the democratic vote. Democracy is only as good as the public and right now the American public has been so dumbed down by the media it is impossible to have democracy.
the US is not a "democracy", its a Republic. The word Democracy doesn't appear anywhere in the US Constitution and if you research it just a little.... it was on purpose.
I honestly can't decide because both republics with powerful corporations & banks and dictatorships oppress the people so much that they can't try to economically or legally compete. Even if there are reforms that make gov't more powerful than corporations, the corporations have the money, and they'll continue to infiltrate politics, so ultimately, no matter what system a nation claims to have, corporations and banks, domestic or foreign, will rule that nation, directly or covertly.
yeppers. what's left? iran. we can't have them in control of their own resources and their own destinies. time to invade and/or trigger a separatist (balochistan) rebellion and impose our wonderful debt-based economy upon them.
America is a culture obsessed with freedom and rights, so why do so many find themselves in bondage? The best kind of government comes from people making individual decisions, not through the collective process of voting. It's the type of limited government that Ron Paul has been preaching for years. The FED is not constitutional and at the very least needs to be audited.
Dictatorships aren't interested in distributing resources to the people. Look at all the sheiks and oligarchs. Healthcare for kids? Bread and circuses to keep people from revolting.
Class divide has always been there and will always remain there, there's nothing you can do about it. It's a human tendency, it's a human weakness, it's the story of mankind.
A man is none the less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years. Neither are a people any the less slaves because permitted periodically to choose new masters. What makes them slaves is the fact that they now are, and are always hereafter to be, in the hands of men whose power over them is, and always is to be, absolute and irresponsible - L. Spooner
I understand what you're getting at, but there's no such thing as "Country A" and you've created a false dilemma in your reasoning (benevolent dictatorship of the people, or capitalistic wasteland). It is therefore fallacious.
I appreciate your ability to look deeper into things and to see past the false connotations of the word "democracy", your worldview (as represented here, at least) is limited and naively compartmentalised.
Hope this isn't trying to talk about Libya, because what you described isn't Libya.... in fact its nothing because nothing is that simple. Libyas freedom is good and if you can't see that theres probably little point trying to explain.
i find the goverments of old lasted longer and went longer between wars then the "democracy" everyone is so proud of .... united states democracy since it one its "freedom" ... yet how many years have we been are own nation and out of them years how many have we been at war.... i dont see democracy working as it is a system set up to fail
Democracy sounds like organised theft. Instead of little stealers, with little ambition, they form parties, government, "businesses" which is also to wash underworld money, or "illegal" money.
Democracy is the perfection of organised crime. It's epitome in evolution.
Shouldn't that be a question of soveranity, understanding the function of be sovereign in one action and the limitation this poses on one - state as human being - to be sovereign in on actions. If we had minded that concept a long time ago we wouldn't be in our today's mess including Libya.
@Sideshowbobx You only have sovereignty if you are willing to die defending the ground you stand on at this very minute. Otherwise, the concept really doesn't exist in the western world anymore. You don't even own your property or car, even when you have "certificate of title" because that means the state owns it and you pay alms to keep it. Only Allodial title grants you real rights- Like Native Americans have in many cases today... If you want freedom, load your guns and sharpen your sword.
legalvise you are right on the money. But as you stated yourself, we still hold the final sovereignity to act - and I keep my edges razor sharp. Yet rather then to try like the native americans of the 70's to bully ones way, I put my money and time into the education my neighbors and friends. Raging a civil war is an unproductive approch to the problem and I rather make use of the democratic tool, even if this is neither non-destructive, but a ballot at least doesn't kills.
@Sideshowbobx Are you naive enough to actually, in your heart, believe that the allot box actually changes anything? Your choices in the US are always between the douche and the turd sandwich. And they get worse every 4 years. Another civil war is in inevitability. Its practically part of the teabagging motto and I, for one, am ready to give it to them- right here and right now.
So you would rather like to see your last resources for prosparity burned in a civil war, then to sattle this like grown up. Ron Paul is still in the race for the GOP candidacy - so there is still a great option around to sattle this in a civil mannor. You can't be sober to wish for a civil war - being prepared is another thing. The dangers of democracy can be a weapon if you educated your neighbors, and it is mightier then a sword - because otherwise you will fight alone.
@Sideshowbobx do you think THEY are going to give up what they have to a ron paul . I voted for paul 8 years ago. 4 years ago I voted for Saddam Hussein. and you know what I felt like my vote counted more 4 years ago. when sites like this get 30,000,000 hits I will apologize and feel ashamed . (that's only 10% of u.s. population)
What part of dictatorship is giving society a choice? The concept of choice and dictatorship is antithetical. I also ask you to name a benevolent dictator? Aside from the turkish leader who instituted democracy. The benefit and of democracy is that one DOES have a choice.
@TheLummer66 Although I agree with some of what you are saying, democracy is either:
introduced from an outside country or introduced after a civil war (ie recent events in the east)
Either way the democracy is based on a majority. Yes you have the freedom to speak out against acts of the government, without risk of punishment. Yes you can vote. Yes you can pretty much believe in what you want.
But the minority vote never wins, so freedom for the most, may be oppression for the few.
@Youshless Agreed and why protection of individual rights need to be enshrined. I'm not a big fan of entrenched positions such as that of constitutions, but it does serve a level of protection, however imperfect. I know this is an affected position, but it's not a conclusion I came to lightly.
@TheLummer66 "The concept of choice and dictatorship is antithetical." Only in the way that you have been taught as a 'murrikan westerner. First off, the word "dictator" is inflammatory. Many so-called "dictatorships" by the US are actually very benevolent, just not open to being raped and pillaged by US corporations. You need to read this book- Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War 2... Learn something real.
@Vebinz I think its more of a broad meaning, but your point is well taken. Democratic government's frredoms aren't always exercised by the population. I did word the statement poorly, but I meant the freedom to choose the government. After that the population is at the whim of the dictator.
Democracy is a euphemism for majority dictator ship and has nothing to do with the concepts of Individualism, it market concept of Capitalism or it politcal concept of Libertarianism therefore.
And you can only "buy" a democracy if you controll it currency and supply it - so I guess your enemy is rather the concept of central banking, FIAT currencies and monopolized currency supplies. The monopols are again an indicator for corporatism, so an autocratic form of government.
one one side you can speak your mind and face little consequences and the other you'll get killed if you even look at some one the wrong way..there is no contest
If the US was so gun-ho about installing democracies in every Dictatorship led country they would have invaded Cuba, and other small time dictatorships around the globe but we only invade countries where to quote xPresBush "we need to protect our interests" which I believe that's code for "protecting our oil supplies" :)
@BaronesaReturns Yes, that is true. The USA is even directly responsible for the construction of the Taliban. I know the truth hurts, and redneck 'murrika lovers hate the truth, but a fact is a fact.
Indeed, dictatorships aren't an absolute. What most convinced supporters of democracy fail to realize is that people can be affluent or just live a decent live under non-democratic regimes as well. Even more so sometimes than in the so-called "free world". If people only flourished in democracies, that would mean we've been living in hellholes for the past millennia. Which of course, as any historian would tell you, isn't true at all.
Benevolent dictatorship or monarchy is MUCH better than democracy because democracy always ends up corrupt. Its a lot harder to corrupt a single person who actually cares about the people. Like me, no amount of money on earth could make me do something like destroy medicare. It only takes about ~10 thousand dollars to buy a republican these days.
@bamboo4tameshigiri Wish such a capable godly figure existed that could occupy the posting of a Benevolent Dictator but I think not everyone is as perfect as Jesus Christ(if you believe such a figure existed as well hmm??).
@charronfamilyconnect Which Jesus? There were 3 claiming to be magicians in the area at the same time period. Seriously. Anyway, I could do a better job than what we have now and I couldn't give less of a shit about being wealthy. You just have to find a leader that is not afraid to die and is not greedy. It may be hard, but its not impossible. Politicians, by their very nature and the nature of "elections" guarantees the opposite. Anyone who wants it too much does not deserve it.
Dictatorships, Monarchies can work, although in the long run, democracy is better. For example, I believe if we were a true Monarchy, Elizabeth II would be a good Queen, but Charles would be shite, he's too much of a Luddite. The problem with democracy in today's world is that we aren't really a democracy, we live under the thumb of the corporations. If we had a TRUE global democracy, we would tax the rich much, much more. We would close all tax loopholes and force the corporations to pay.
I mean exactly that, a global democracy, one government.
No, not a Marxist / Stalinist model, that would be stupid, communism don't work because people like to own stuff. I'm talking about our capitalism that has been tuned up, loopholes closed, more transparency so on and so forth.
The fact that a state is a democracy does not preclude them from owning an industry. The privatization of stateowned industries is a prerequisite for getting an IMF loan, not a prerequisite of a democracy. A state always needs support from at least a part of the population, so states are forced to take care of at least a part of the population. Sometimes this part is bigger in a dictatorship than in a democracy/
NIcely presented! IMO all governmental systems are on a cycle of sorts, some a lot longer than others. At times people need a harsh dictatorship to get things in line, sometimes a benevolent dictatorship. Democracies and republics have their place in the growth of an economy, and a splash of socialism keeps it survivable for the 'struggling masses', if not, then anarchy... Problems do arise when 'Deciders' determine that where they are at in their cycle should become the worldwide status quo.
My feeling is that we have never truly had a democracy. The candidates on all sides are chosen by the power elite and we vote on who they feel is the most useful to them...not to us...the people. I saw a saying by a citizen of Libya not too long ago. It went "Libya is our mother and Ghadaffi is our father." Yes...he has provided well for his own people. They're not tax slaves as we are...the ones with the supposed democracy. So in the end...who is more "free"?
At the risk of sounding like a cynic, most people start sounding like used car salesman the longer you listen; especially when they actually have something to sell you.
The thing about benevolent dictatorships is that, aside from how unlikely they are, is that when the benevolent dictator dies, retires or otherwise leaves then someone else has to take his/her place and they may not be so benevolent. The inherant problem with dictatorship is that all the power is in the hands of one person thus the whole country is at the mercy of that person's whims.
@practicalmagic9 Precisely. Take the first Roman Emperor, Augustus. An almost obscenely competant and skilled (if ruthless) leader who took Rome from a power hovering on the edge of breaking down after decades of civil war to a stable, prosperous empire. His dictatorship was largely benevolent and positive in effect, if you were Roman at least. Then he dies and you get Tberius, Caligula, Nero... Not one up to Augustus' standard and many certifiably insane.
But the same is true of republics. Once a man is leetced (by lying ofcourse), he's free until next election, at which he'll lie again and get elected again.
How do you think all those people in Washington keep getting re-elected?
@Vebinz A somewhat overly cynical way of looking at things. I disagree that all elected representives are corrupt and/or incompetant and even in the case that they are then the option exists to remove them from office. Two or three different versions of said option in fact. Now you can argue that that option is not used enough, but at least it exists. In a dictatorship there is no way to remove the dictator but armed revolt.
@Vebinz That argument depends rather on whether or not one believes that it's never used in a meaningful way. I happen to disagree with that. But to work from the premise you gave me I'd say the difference is that the option is still there to be used in a meaningful way. If one were able to gather enough support to do so one could change the political landscape without violence. Difficult, sure, but not impossible.
We just like to live our lives with blinder on. Mostly by chance i know that Dick the VP and Arnold the Gov were present for the first "terroist bombing" at the UWis in '70. That's where the bomb, blame, and invade for cash policy began. I could be me making it up, but it can be show to be so, as can hollow earth and enforced poor usage of fuel. It is simply illegal to expose this kind of thing. Once you figure it out, it is hard to go back to enforced believing.
If we ever realize that we are being manipulated by enforced heat chucking policy with "actual enforced ignorance on the topic" there could be some serious insurrection on this issue. We are all inured. What this means is, the enforcers would have to kill just about everyone to bring super heat chucking back as a technology to enforce it again..It could be an issue where the slaves would have to be killed to enforce the policy, since it's conceptual in nature or the truth can proliferate.
If one always believe authority to belong, it means that one is always forced to conform to the beliefs being proffered. Surviving is the plain goal so we tend to go along with the beleif if it offers belonging and status. Beliefs tend to create a less than logical structrure with forced (likely) poor functionality but with a clear "authority figure" holding a whip of sorts.) Hence completely enforced "horrible usage of fuel" while no one even asks "why?"
It's a physical or physics related thing and it cannot be analyzed in "how much money? terms" It is how much fuel is used for given work". We only think or believe in linear forms or status terms. We are enslaved by only being; allowed to operate in "gamer terms and terminonlogy" (suit job reality is gamer reality or essentiall gamer nature) We seem to always fit in in gamer reality & not so much in "science or physical reality". It's a simple thing to see, we are simply over & out ruled.
How would you recognize and innerworlder? One way might be to look at managment. Another might be to generate your own electric power and try to use the heat energy to heat your place. They can't really let that one go. so they will send someone to threaten you. Heat capture tech would proliferate madly in our economic environment. It means the more saving or efficient technology would proliferate. and we would want to use the better one that has been taken from us with monopoly.
You make some very good points we shouldn't interfere with other peoples affairs however they want to rule themselves, until the point they start butchering their own people, then any help should be welcomed but we should not advantage and rob them of their resources because they are weak. Why do we only help countries with dictators with oil, what is sad even more oppressive nations with genocidal proportions go unoticed.
We never actually question authority on technical issues. i'm somewhat offended because this science and the general sense of understanding reality has been taken away by a large monopolistic organization. They stole your ability to understand by replacing it with a bad process with false believing replacing understanding. If they aren't telling the truth, they are planning on the uninformed being "expendible" to the effort.
It kind of looks like outer surface world is "run" by inner surface world. It's like we are colonized, but this is "officially obscured". We use a terrible fuel technology for power. This is also "offically obscured" as well. The heat recovery or recycle tech that was cruising with the steam engine tech, went away as soon as a "comparable" form was established. We always chuck heat and it's highly illegal to try to save and use it... Yet we are desperate with nuclear meltdowns. Hmmmm?!!
Democracy would be a very good thing if it worked like it is supose to. There is the catch though supose to. Unfortionetly Democracy only works in favor for corperat and ritch bozos. The working class , the back boan of the countery though they are supose to have a say do not. If it wasn't for the working class the corperat bozos would not have there money.
I don't thknk democracy would be good if it ever worked, simply because not all epople are equally informed or ethical, and most people will get their views from a few microphone-wielding nuts.
@Vebinz I prefer to have a say rather than some moron telling me how to live my life. I say ban those michraphone-wielding loons from politics. The majority have there owne views. We are smarter than that. The real problem is the people we elect are payed by the corperations to help the corperations even if it hurts us, those who don't get assasinated or empeached. Just look at Clinton. Like his sexual life is any of our buisness. He was good for the us.
I don't see how you can write that Clinton was 'good for us", given that much of the economic problems go back to him (though not all).
No, you MUST have microphne wielders, Because on their own most people don't do anything. Look at about any mass movement, and you'll see it was started by a small group who lead the masses.
Usually these loans are taken out by paid off politicians , without the knowledge of the people . The people burdened by these loans find out about it after the loan was taken out ....
@SandyStarchild Nobody thought Obama would win the last election; he wasn't one of the front runners. And he was the one who wanted to institute government run healthcare to take power away from the insurance corporations. I'd say that discredits your theory somewhat. Obviously corporations have some influence...but "one dollar one vote" is just extremism
First off, we're not free like we think we are. There are laws, acts, statutes, etc., set in place that makes you a debt slave. Second, "Country A" was bombed due to the fact that they were sovereign in status and not in debt to a central bank. The IMF is the absolute worst thing to ever hit any monetary system of any country. The USA's Treasury was bankrupt and fell into IMF hands in 1922. Look at where we are now? Free? No! NWO military arm? Yes! And the taxes just keep rolling in to fund it.
the rebels set up their own bank as well as their own oil company ... whenever I rise up against a dictatorship, my preference is to first, oust the leaders, secure the Palace, free any political prisoners and maybe engage in some low level looting.
Man this war makes me so angry. I'm at the point where it's not even the lesser of two evils, it's just schoolyard bullying to me. And then as an American I'm supposed to get behind this? I saw a video today on Libya that almost had me crying man, people really need to wake up to what this world is about. I swear I want to smack sense into people who can't think in terms larger than Dem vs GOP and freedom hating Muslims.
Thats my point. If the IMF was doing its job properly it would have funded these countries development. It doesn't always do that. And that was supposed to be its job - the job Protean is defaming as "indebting" in these countries. Which it doesnt even do.
This reminds me of a game 'Deus Ex'. In one of this game's endings, you have a choice to merge with an AI, who is a dictator, but who also is just and incorruptible and tries to do what is best for humankind without any bias, replacing the current NWO-type of corrupt government (which is actually controlled by a secret organization), which claims to be a democracy.
Yes, I think "just and kind" dictatorship could be better than some "democracies" we have right now.
I only have one objection. If the country is truly functioning, AND is actually a good country to live, why wouldnt the dictator be elected if they opened for democracy?
For example, I believe the communists would be elected in Cuba if they opened for elections. Why? Because their lifes are hundreds of times better under this current dictatorship then what it used to be.
gulbirk 2 months ago
slavery can also be better than payed labour in some instances. slavery is still a very bad thing. (i mean property slavery)
lygophile 3 months ago in playlist Proteanview Playlist
@lygophile give an example of such instance in which free labor can be better than the paid labor. sounds ridiculous, to say the least.
pplayer666 2 months ago
@pplayer666 a medieval serf was better off than people payed to work in mines or as mercenaries. or children working STD-rife streets or something.
lygophile 1 month ago
Plato wasn't a big fan..
anyway, cenceptually democracy is way better, cause with a dictatorship, you rely solely on luck.
in the ancient Empire of Rome (although de jure it was a republic in a permanent state of martial law) there was once a benevolent dictator. he had no children (or at least no sons), so he chose his successor, that in his turn did the exact same thing. however the fifth benevolent dictator had a son. that son became possibly the worst tyrant of all of Rome's history.
lygophile 3 months ago in playlist Proteanview Playlist
democracy is unconstitutional in the USA. The Constitution of The United States Republic establishes a REPUBLIC.. Definitions are not allowed outside of the INSTRUMENT. Maurbury vs Madison establishes the constitution as the supreme law of the land. , where in in the articles of the constitution is democracy establlished or supported. in the pledge of allegiance it states WHAT? TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS
firefox8192 4 months ago
I think mass democracy is the most ill concieved system of government ever devised. We don't think democracy is right for our schools or military or businesses so why should it work for government? For democracy to work it must have a very smart, well informed, and objective majority of voters. No country has ever had or ever will have anything close. The sad fact is that most voters are lazy, ignorant, and very easily persuaded by liars and charlatans.
phallus0maximus 6 months ago
Thanks for the vid, I'm starting to understand all the hype around Russia Today and the confusion of jews taking over the world with banks.
SuperUncleruckus 6 months ago
Hey everyone can any of you name some "benevolent dictators"?
mikesheen741 6 months ago
@mikesheen741 Gaddafi, as much as I hate to say it, and Saudi Arabia lol.
SuperUncleruckus 6 months ago
@SuperUncleruckus Lol. your winding me up. Aren't you?
mikesheen741 6 months ago
@mikesheen741 haha yeah
SuperUncleruckus 6 months ago
@mikesheen741 Depends how you define benevolent. Gaddafi did a lot of good for Libya . He provided universal health care, opposed apartheid, was committed to reforestation, made Libya the 4th richest country in Africa, he connected the entire continent to telephones, tv and radio broadcasting, and he was also a main contributor to funds for African countries. Another benevolent dictator is Hugo Chavez. Not everyone will be happy with their leader, dictator or elected, that's impossible.
fukimotoz 6 months ago
@fukimotoz Are you really defending Gaddafi? He tourtured and murder his own citizens and he threatened my country, The United Kingdom with a "Holy war" if we did not hand over a terrorist, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, to him. And on top of all that his own people rebelled against him. I don't think they saw him as benevolent.
mikesheen741 6 months ago
@mikesheen741 I'm simply pointing out some of the good he did. I am not defending the bad stuff. The USA is torturing people in Guantanamo, so it's not about who's torturing who. The point I am trying to make, is that this conflict in Libya has nothing to do with bringing democracy, or justice to someone that used torture, it's about money and resources.
fukimotoz 5 months ago
@mikesheen741 You don't know what Gaddafi did or didn't do. You only know what the press tells you he did.
TrueStoryTV 4 months ago
@TrueStoryTV If he was such a nice person then why did he order his army to shoot civilians?
mikesheen741 4 months ago
@mikesheen741 Who said he was nice?
TrueStoryTV 4 months ago
@TrueStoryTV Gaddafi was fine. All the people had healthcare almost everybody was literate, almost everybody had a job and home and he was going to put his country back on the gold standard. The west 2 years ago were praising Gaddafi articles all over the place and once he decided to go to the Gold Dinar and remove his country from the world bank all of a sudden he was equivalent to Satan and had to be killed.
Luigi84289 3 months ago
@TrueStoryTV and so do you.
PlayTheShanen 2 months ago
@mikesheen741 You say he tourtured and murdered, the U.K. and U.S. do both on a daily basis. SMH. U.S. and the U.K. invaded Iraq and took over the country killing thousands of civilians. They didn't just threaten war. They actually did it. I know it's hard to face the facts but it's true. You just have to look at things with an open mind and take it for what it is.
TrueStoryTV 4 months ago
@TrueStoryTV Yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.
mikesheen741 4 months ago
And George Carlin use to say: white collar shirt, blue collar shirt, doesn't matter what color collar shirt you have on, good hard honest working people continue (these are the people with modest beings continue) to elect these rich cock suckers who don't give of fuck about them.
mike61524334251 6 months ago
@mike61524334251 I miss him
hobieslug45 6 months ago
Give me a wise leader "dictator" anyday then a majority of fools.
werebaka1 6 months ago
@werebaka1 Kim Jong ill
mikesheen741 6 months ago
@mikesheen741 na uncle kim isnt wise hes just a dictator.
werebaka1 6 months ago
Not all dictators are evil.
RenegadeScion 6 months ago
good video
TheJUNGLESURFER 6 months ago
@bigotmaster No the people of the country want these things. In a democracy it is majority rules. So when most of the country wants to be in bed with Isreal no matter how bad it might be for the country it is going to happean. The people are the ones who keep American Idol on why are u suprise when they vote for idiots to run the country.
smoothbrother69 6 months ago
@smoothbrother69
Why do you think that democracy = gov doing what majority wants?
The USA is a prime example of this failure at work. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan routinely rate at below 50% for continuing them. Yet they continue. Why?
Because "democracy" is a way of deciding things, not a way of guaranteeing a desired outcome. If the people holding the elections in the democracy choose to not hold a ballot on the idea of stopping the Iraq war then what happens?
sdkee 6 months ago
@sdkee Actually we went into both of these wars with the full support of all the people. Slowly over time both of these wars have lost popularity which is why we are starting pull out of both wars even though it really is going to lead to a bigger mess. Truth of the matter is that people are stupid and do not do enough research to really understand who actually does the best for everybody. People are to busy looking out for theirown self-intrerest. The problem is the people not polititians.
smoothbrother69 6 months ago
This is very true. Most people forget that yes there have been benevolent dictators and sometimes those countries in protecting themselves against foreign intervention need dictators. Not to mention if the public needs to be educated how could you give an illiterate population or highly religious population the democratic vote. Democracy is only as good as the public and right now the American public has been so dumbed down by the media it is impossible to have democracy.
xxdiogenescynicxx 6 months ago 12
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BTW my grandparents were too busy avoiding lynch mobs to invest
Bill1275w 6 months ago
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Democracy is an oil corporation, a defense contractor, and your grandma lobbying on who government should cut assistance to.
Bill1275w 6 months ago
"democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting 'whats for dinner' "
thestrugglewithin 6 months ago
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Bamboo me too!
Bill1275w 6 months ago
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Great points sir. Hugo Chavez has also had to use dictatorial powers to help his people avoid getting scammed by big oil.
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Chitownboy1023 6 months ago
Countries that have alot of oil have zero debt. All of the Gulf oil nations have their oil nationalized.
Joekitty001 6 months ago
Awesome video.
nekopheliac 6 months ago
the US is not a "democracy", its a Republic. The word Democracy doesn't appear anywhere in the US Constitution and if you research it just a little.... it was on purpose.
Pretty good topic to touch on Proteanview....
mta415 6 months ago
@mta415 and when i say "you" Proteanview I don't mean YOU directly, i mean any and everyone...
mta415 6 months ago
The type of government is only as relevant and valid as it is administered toward the peoples needs and desires.
The definition of the government is irrelevant, I love how you question this stupid sacred cow.
zoticus1 6 months ago
kadafi and many others must go
HiddenBlackHistory 6 months ago
The idea of "democracy=good" and "non-democracy=evil" is one of the most ignorant and sinister ideas in the modern West today.
At it's worst it can justify any criminality by the West, as this current Libyan crime shows.
Vebinz 6 months ago
That is a battle where we all lose. Democracy is just dictatorship by the majority.
ryanswan0 6 months ago
I honestly can't decide because both republics with powerful corporations & banks and dictatorships oppress the people so much that they can't try to economically or legally compete. Even if there are reforms that make gov't more powerful than corporations, the corporations have the money, and they'll continue to infiltrate politics, so ultimately, no matter what system a nation claims to have, corporations and banks, domestic or foreign, will rule that nation, directly or covertly.
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MikeIronweaver56 6 months ago
yeppers. what's left? iran. we can't have them in control of their own resources and their own destinies. time to invade and/or trigger a separatist (balochistan) rebellion and impose our wonderful debt-based economy upon them.
Urudrim 6 months ago
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America is a culture obsessed with freedom and rights, so why do so many find themselves in bondage? The best kind of government comes from people making individual decisions, not through the collective process of voting. It's the type of limited government that Ron Paul has been preaching for years. The FED is not constitutional and at the very least needs to be audited.
Supralobe 6 months ago
Dictatorships aren't interested in distributing resources to the people. Look at all the sheiks and oligarchs. Healthcare for kids? Bread and circuses to keep people from revolting.
Class divide has always been there and will always remain there, there's nothing you can do about it. It's a human tendency, it's a human weakness, it's the story of mankind.
Supralobe 6 months ago
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Supralobe 6 months ago
A man is none the less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years. Neither are a people any the less slaves because permitted periodically to choose new masters. What makes them slaves is the fact that they now are, and are always hereafter to be, in the hands of men whose power over them is, and always is to be, absolute and irresponsible - L. Spooner
Worldslargestipod 6 months ago
the powerful rule over the weak, the priviledged over the under class. political systems differ, but this constant always remains.
extrapressure 6 months ago
I hate this world
Shadowlit001 6 months ago
@Shadowlit001 *hugs*
radscorpion8 6 months ago
@radscorpion8
Thanks :)
Shadowlit001 6 months ago
Dictatorship equals a chance, democracy equals shoving a bat up your ass.
ZTFreedom 6 months ago
I understand what you're getting at, but there's no such thing as "Country A" and you've created a false dilemma in your reasoning (benevolent dictatorship of the people, or capitalistic wasteland). It is therefore fallacious.
I appreciate your ability to look deeper into things and to see past the false connotations of the word "democracy", your worldview (as represented here, at least) is limited and naively compartmentalised.
bopeton 6 months ago
@bopeton
He's trying to make a larger point, so ofcourse he's going to use a more ideal simplistic analogy.
Vebinz 6 months ago
Hope this isn't trying to talk about Libya, because what you described isn't Libya.... in fact its nothing because nothing is that simple. Libyas freedom is good and if you can't see that theres probably little point trying to explain.
coolbanana165 6 months ago
@coolbanana165
Freedom from what?
Vebinz 6 months ago
Hey Protean. Did i ever tell you I love you're brain??
kubaniski 6 months ago
Democracy = rule by idiots.
TheBiggestWolf 6 months ago
A lean freedom is better than a fat slavery.
-Aesop
WetlandsRemediation 6 months ago 2
i find the goverments of old lasted longer and went longer between wars then the "democracy" everyone is so proud of .... united states democracy since it one its "freedom" ... yet how many years have we been are own nation and out of them years how many have we been at war.... i dont see democracy working as it is a system set up to fail
cupandbowl 6 months ago
i like Tabasco sauce too : D
Sm3gH3adx 6 months ago
who else watches these videos to watch his dreads grow?
MonsterMo44 6 months ago
Democracy is the worst form of government. It oppresses the minority and only favors the rich. The ideal form of government is a republic.
Ayyadification 6 months ago
Democracy -- for the plebs, by the plebs.
danieljliversLXXXIX 6 months ago 3
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Democracy sounds like organised theft. Instead of little stealers, with little ambition, they form parties, government, "businesses" which is also to wash underworld money, or "illegal" money.
Democracy is the perfection of organised crime. It's epitome in evolution.
Soveraine 6 months ago 3
I've been saying that since the day that conflict started.
MegaSuperUberMe 6 months ago
So true, man, so true.
GeorgeAlexanderOz 6 months ago
Shouldn't that be a question of soveranity, understanding the function of be sovereign in one action and the limitation this poses on one - state as human being - to be sovereign in on actions. If we had minded that concept a long time ago we wouldn't be in our today's mess including Libya.
Sideshowbobx 6 months ago
@Sideshowbobx You only have sovereignty if you are willing to die defending the ground you stand on at this very minute. Otherwise, the concept really doesn't exist in the western world anymore. You don't even own your property or car, even when you have "certificate of title" because that means the state owns it and you pay alms to keep it. Only Allodial title grants you real rights- Like Native Americans have in many cases today... If you want freedom, load your guns and sharpen your sword.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri
legalvise you are right on the money. But as you stated yourself, we still hold the final sovereignity to act - and I keep my edges razor sharp. Yet rather then to try like the native americans of the 70's to bully ones way, I put my money and time into the education my neighbors and friends. Raging a civil war is an unproductive approch to the problem and I rather make use of the democratic tool, even if this is neither non-destructive, but a ballot at least doesn't kills.
Sideshowbobx 6 months ago
@Sideshowbobx Are you naive enough to actually, in your heart, believe that the allot box actually changes anything? Your choices in the US are always between the douche and the turd sandwich. And they get worse every 4 years. Another civil war is in inevitability. Its practically part of the teabagging motto and I, for one, am ready to give it to them- right here and right now.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri
So you would rather like to see your last resources for prosparity burned in a civil war, then to sattle this like grown up. Ron Paul is still in the race for the GOP candidacy - so there is still a great option around to sattle this in a civil mannor. You can't be sober to wish for a civil war - being prepared is another thing. The dangers of democracy can be a weapon if you educated your neighbors, and it is mightier then a sword - because otherwise you will fight alone.
Sideshowbobx 6 months ago
@Sideshowbobx I do best alone in the dark. You don't know me very well. People like you would just slow me down and blow my cover.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@Sideshowbobx do you think THEY are going to give up what they have to a ron paul . I voted for paul 8 years ago. 4 years ago I voted for Saddam Hussein. and you know what I felt like my vote counted more 4 years ago. when sites like this get 30,000,000 hits I will apologize and feel ashamed . (that's only 10% of u.s. population)
hobieslug45 6 months ago
What part of dictatorship is giving society a choice? The concept of choice and dictatorship is antithetical. I also ask you to name a benevolent dictator? Aside from the turkish leader who instituted democracy. The benefit and of democracy is that one DOES have a choice.
TheLummer66 6 months ago
@TheLummer66 Although I agree with some of what you are saying, democracy is either:
introduced from an outside country or introduced after a civil war (ie recent events in the east)
Either way the democracy is based on a majority. Yes you have the freedom to speak out against acts of the government, without risk of punishment. Yes you can vote. Yes you can pretty much believe in what you want.
But the minority vote never wins, so freedom for the most, may be oppression for the few.
Youshless 6 months ago
@Youshless Agreed and why protection of individual rights need to be enshrined. I'm not a big fan of entrenched positions such as that of constitutions, but it does serve a level of protection, however imperfect. I know this is an affected position, but it's not a conclusion I came to lightly.
TheLummer66 6 months ago
@TheLummer66 "The concept of choice and dictatorship is antithetical." Only in the way that you have been taught as a 'murrikan westerner. First off, the word "dictator" is inflammatory. Many so-called "dictatorships" by the US are actually very benevolent, just not open to being raped and pillaged by US corporations. You need to read this book- Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War 2... Learn something real.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@TheLummer66
"of dictatorship is giving society a choice? The concept of choice and dictatorship is antithetical."
Only in the very very narrow meaning of choise as "choice of government leaders".
Otherwise other choices and "Freedoms" can co-exist most forms of governments.
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz I think its more of a broad meaning, but your point is well taken. Democratic government's frredoms aren't always exercised by the population. I did word the statement poorly, but I meant the freedom to choose the government. After that the population is at the whim of the dictator.
TheLummer66 6 months ago
Democracy is just a euphemism for capital dictatorship, it's anti-democratic.
Mastikator 6 months ago
@Mastikator
Democracy is a euphemism for majority dictator ship and has nothing to do with the concepts of Individualism, it market concept of Capitalism or it politcal concept of Libertarianism therefore.
And you can only "buy" a democracy if you controll it currency and supply it - so I guess your enemy is rather the concept of central banking, FIAT currencies and monopolized currency supplies. The monopols are again an indicator for corporatism, so an autocratic form of government.
Sideshowbobx 6 months ago
@Sideshowbobx Well, to be honest, though, what we REALLY have in the USA presently is: plutocratic oligarchical corporatocracy.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
one one side you can speak your mind and face little consequences and the other you'll get killed if you even look at some one the wrong way..there is no contest
darthslain 6 months ago
@darthslain *on one*
darthslain 6 months ago
@darthslain
No, you can peak your mind in most dictatorships as well, as long as it's not about the leadership.
Unless you know of a dictatorship that physically muffles all its citizenship from birth to death.
Vebinz 6 months ago
If the US was so gun-ho about installing democracies in every Dictatorship led country they would have invaded Cuba, and other small time dictatorships around the globe but we only invade countries where to quote xPresBush "we need to protect our interests" which I believe that's code for "protecting our oil supplies" :)
NoraDlist 6 months ago
@NoraDlist And the involvement of USA in latin-america in the late 60's and 70's led to some of the most brutal dictatorships, sponsored by the CIA...
In fact, USA is a champion in putting dictators in place of the governments they replaced, democratic or not.
BaronesaReturns 6 months ago
@BaronesaReturns Yes, that is true. The USA is even directly responsible for the construction of the Taliban. I know the truth hurts, and redneck 'murrika lovers hate the truth, but a fact is a fact.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
Indeed, dictatorships aren't an absolute. What most convinced supporters of democracy fail to realize is that people can be affluent or just live a decent live under non-democratic regimes as well. Even more so sometimes than in the so-called "free world". If people only flourished in democracies, that would mean we've been living in hellholes for the past millennia. Which of course, as any historian would tell you, isn't true at all.
Kali23Yuga 6 months ago
Brilliant!!!!!!!
the "democratic dictators?" lol
personkid20 6 months ago
The 500 yr history of The Nation State(with loyalty to it's own citizens), is under attack by The International Banking Oligarchy.
macpduff 6 months ago
Benevolent dictatorship or monarchy is MUCH better than democracy because democracy always ends up corrupt. Its a lot harder to corrupt a single person who actually cares about the people. Like me, no amount of money on earth could make me do something like destroy medicare. It only takes about ~10 thousand dollars to buy a republican these days.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri Wish such a capable godly figure existed that could occupy the posting of a Benevolent Dictator but I think not everyone is as perfect as Jesus Christ(if you believe such a figure existed as well hmm??).
charronfamilyconnect 6 months ago
@charronfamilyconnect Which Jesus? There were 3 claiming to be magicians in the area at the same time period. Seriously. Anyway, I could do a better job than what we have now and I couldn't give less of a shit about being wealthy. You just have to find a leader that is not afraid to die and is not greedy. It may be hard, but its not impossible. Politicians, by their very nature and the nature of "elections" guarantees the opposite. Anyone who wants it too much does not deserve it.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
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I doubt any true democracy would choose debt slavery to the elite few.
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carefulcarpenter 6 months ago
Welcome to the fascist states of amerika. I like your "example"
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
well said, Prote ^^
kaishininjou 6 months ago
Dictatorships, Monarchies can work, although in the long run, democracy is better. For example, I believe if we were a true Monarchy, Elizabeth II would be a good Queen, but Charles would be shite, he's too much of a Luddite. The problem with democracy in today's world is that we aren't really a democracy, we live under the thumb of the corporations. If we had a TRUE global democracy, we would tax the rich much, much more. We would close all tax loopholes and force the corporations to pay.
edgewayround 6 months ago
@edgewayround
What do you mean by "global democracy"?
And your system would into some warped Stalinist/Marxist government.
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz
I mean exactly that, a global democracy, one government.
No, not a Marxist / Stalinist model, that would be stupid, communism don't work because people like to own stuff. I'm talking about our capitalism that has been tuned up, loopholes closed, more transparency so on and so forth.
edgewayround 6 months ago
@edgewayround
I doubt if very many people aaround the world would want to live under one global government.
What possible common grounds can a small village priest in Zimbabwe, and a gay New Yorker, have in common?
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz - A lot more than you realise.
edgewayround 6 months ago
The fact that a state is a democracy does not preclude them from owning an industry. The privatization of stateowned industries is a prerequisite for getting an IMF loan, not a prerequisite of a democracy. A state always needs support from at least a part of the population, so states are forced to take care of at least a part of the population. Sometimes this part is bigger in a dictatorship than in a democracy/
janusanus 6 months ago
NIcely presented! IMO all governmental systems are on a cycle of sorts, some a lot longer than others. At times people need a harsh dictatorship to get things in line, sometimes a benevolent dictatorship. Democracies and republics have their place in the growth of an economy, and a splash of socialism keeps it survivable for the 'struggling masses', if not, then anarchy... Problems do arise when 'Deciders' determine that where they are at in their cycle should become the worldwide status quo.
hunt1803 6 months ago
My feeling is that we have never truly had a democracy. The candidates on all sides are chosen by the power elite and we vote on who they feel is the most useful to them...not to us...the people. I saw a saying by a citizen of Libya not too long ago. It went "Libya is our mother and Ghadaffi is our father." Yes...he has provided well for his own people. They're not tax slaves as we are...the ones with the supposed democracy. So in the end...who is more "free"?
ancestralblue 6 months ago
At the risk of sounding like a cynic, most people start sounding like used car salesman the longer you listen; especially when they actually have something to sell you.
pakratmak 6 months ago
Excellent video, excellent presentation of a lot of facts the powers that be choose to hide if at all possible... Thanks!
O,
Opinionator52 6 months ago
well, Venezuela is the best democratic state in the world, yet it is called a dictatorship by the oligarchic USA.
suffice to say that all thing are relative.
EasternGateGuardian 6 months ago
The thing about benevolent dictatorships is that, aside from how unlikely they are, is that when the benevolent dictator dies, retires or otherwise leaves then someone else has to take his/her place and they may not be so benevolent. The inherant problem with dictatorship is that all the power is in the hands of one person thus the whole country is at the mercy of that person's whims.
GriffinPilgrim 6 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim good point.i recall that to be true through history with kings or emperors.
practicalmagic9 6 months ago
@practicalmagic9 Precisely. Take the first Roman Emperor, Augustus. An almost obscenely competant and skilled (if ruthless) leader who took Rome from a power hovering on the edge of breaking down after decades of civil war to a stable, prosperous empire. His dictatorship was largely benevolent and positive in effect, if you were Roman at least. Then he dies and you get Tberius, Caligula, Nero... Not one up to Augustus' standard and many certifiably insane.
GriffinPilgrim 6 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim
But the same is true of republics. Once a man is leetced (by lying ofcourse), he's free until next election, at which he'll lie again and get elected again.
How do you think all those people in Washington keep getting re-elected?
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz A somewhat overly cynical way of looking at things. I disagree that all elected representives are corrupt and/or incompetant and even in the case that they are then the option exists to remove them from office. Two or three different versions of said option in fact. Now you can argue that that option is not used enough, but at least it exists. In a dictatorship there is no way to remove the dictator but armed revolt.
GriffinPilgrim 6 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim
But what's the difference between something that's not there, and something that's there but never used (in a meaningful way atleast)?
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz That argument depends rather on whether or not one believes that it's never used in a meaningful way. I happen to disagree with that. But to work from the premise you gave me I'd say the difference is that the option is still there to be used in a meaningful way. If one were able to gather enough support to do so one could change the political landscape without violence. Difficult, sure, but not impossible.
GriffinPilgrim 6 months ago
We just like to live our lives with blinder on. Mostly by chance i know that Dick the VP and Arnold the Gov were present for the first "terroist bombing" at the UWis in '70. That's where the bomb, blame, and invade for cash policy began. I could be me making it up, but it can be show to be so, as can hollow earth and enforced poor usage of fuel. It is simply illegal to expose this kind of thing. Once you figure it out, it is hard to go back to enforced believing.
hypnofan35 6 months ago
you are wrong, because A. *runs healthy dose of american propoganda* and B. *gives misleading and/or false information*.
sincerely,
fox news
StopmeatGoveg 6 months ago
If we ever realize that we are being manipulated by enforced heat chucking policy with "actual enforced ignorance on the topic" there could be some serious insurrection on this issue. We are all inured. What this means is, the enforcers would have to kill just about everyone to bring super heat chucking back as a technology to enforce it again..It could be an issue where the slaves would have to be killed to enforce the policy, since it's conceptual in nature or the truth can proliferate.
hypnofan35 6 months ago
If one always believe authority to belong, it means that one is always forced to conform to the beliefs being proffered. Surviving is the plain goal so we tend to go along with the beleif if it offers belonging and status. Beliefs tend to create a less than logical structrure with forced (likely) poor functionality but with a clear "authority figure" holding a whip of sorts.) Hence completely enforced "horrible usage of fuel" while no one even asks "why?"
hypnofan35 6 months ago
It's a physical or physics related thing and it cannot be analyzed in "how much money? terms" It is how much fuel is used for given work". We only think or believe in linear forms or status terms. We are enslaved by only being; allowed to operate in "gamer terms and terminonlogy" (suit job reality is gamer reality or essentiall gamer nature) We seem to always fit in in gamer reality & not so much in "science or physical reality". It's a simple thing to see, we are simply over & out ruled.
hypnofan35 6 months ago
How would you recognize and innerworlder? One way might be to look at managment. Another might be to generate your own electric power and try to use the heat energy to heat your place. They can't really let that one go. so they will send someone to threaten you. Heat capture tech would proliferate madly in our economic environment. It means the more saving or efficient technology would proliferate. and we would want to use the better one that has been taken from us with monopoly.
hypnofan35 6 months ago
You make some very good points we shouldn't interfere with other peoples affairs however they want to rule themselves, until the point they start butchering their own people, then any help should be welcomed but we should not advantage and rob them of their resources because they are weak. Why do we only help countries with dictators with oil, what is sad even more oppressive nations with genocidal proportions go unoticed.
NecipPerver 6 months ago
We never actually question authority on technical issues. i'm somewhat offended because this science and the general sense of understanding reality has been taken away by a large monopolistic organization. They stole your ability to understand by replacing it with a bad process with false believing replacing understanding. If they aren't telling the truth, they are planning on the uninformed being "expendible" to the effort.
hypnofan35 6 months ago
It kind of looks like outer surface world is "run" by inner surface world. It's like we are colonized, but this is "officially obscured". We use a terrible fuel technology for power. This is also "offically obscured" as well. The heat recovery or recycle tech that was cruising with the steam engine tech, went away as soon as a "comparable" form was established. We always chuck heat and it's highly illegal to try to save and use it... Yet we are desperate with nuclear meltdowns. Hmmmm?!!
hypnofan35 6 months ago
Democracy would be a very good thing if it worked like it is supose to. There is the catch though supose to. Unfortionetly Democracy only works in favor for corperat and ritch bozos. The working class , the back boan of the countery though they are supose to have a say do not. If it wasn't for the working class the corperat bozos would not have there money.
jawj4291 6 months ago
@jawj4291
I don't thknk democracy would be good if it ever worked, simply because not all epople are equally informed or ethical, and most people will get their views from a few microphone-wielding nuts.
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz I prefer to have a say rather than some moron telling me how to live my life. I say ban those michraphone-wielding loons from politics. The majority have there owne views. We are smarter than that. The real problem is the people we elect are payed by the corperations to help the corperations even if it hurts us, those who don't get assasinated or empeached. Just look at Clinton. Like his sexual life is any of our buisness. He was good for the us.
jawj4291 6 months ago
@jawj4291
I don't see how you can write that Clinton was 'good for us", given that much of the economic problems go back to him (though not all).
No, you MUST have microphne wielders, Because on their own most people don't do anything. Look at about any mass movement, and you'll see it was started by a small group who lead the masses.
Vebinz 6 months ago
Well it's true. Democracy and freedom aren't synonymous, and neither are dictatorship and tyranny.
Having said that, giving one person supreme rule over a whole country usually doesn't turn out so well. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Sykotix1 6 months ago
@Sykotix1
That's not necessarily truye, if only because rarely often they are limited by other elites around them.
Even the pharoahs of Egypt didn't hold absolute power.
Vebinz 6 months ago
Usually these loans are taken out by paid off politicians , without the knowledge of the people . The people burdened by these loans find out about it after the loan was taken out ....
007feedback 6 months ago
@007feedback I would even argue that democracy and freedom are incompatible
shaurz 6 months ago
what US of A calls democracy is just a silent dictatorship of the corporations. one dollar one vote is not democracy.
SandyStarchild 6 months ago 34
@SandyStarchild So let's all be slaves to the mob. Direct democracy ftw!
AshillaBeige 6 months ago
@SandyStarchild Nobody thought Obama would win the last election; he wasn't one of the front runners. And he was the one who wanted to institute government run healthcare to take power away from the insurance corporations. I'd say that discredits your theory somewhat. Obviously corporations have some influence...but "one dollar one vote" is just extremism
radscorpion8 6 months ago
@radscorpion8
"institute government run healthcare to take power away from the insurance corporations."
Sure... whatever you say.
utubehayter 6 months ago
First off, we're not free like we think we are. There are laws, acts, statutes, etc., set in place that makes you a debt slave. Second, "Country A" was bombed due to the fact that they were sovereign in status and not in debt to a central bank. The IMF is the absolute worst thing to ever hit any monetary system of any country. The USA's Treasury was bankrupt and fell into IMF hands in 1922. Look at where we are now? Free? No! NWO military arm? Yes! And the taxes just keep rolling in to fund it.
chop98 6 months ago
man!! thank you. you you sed it all in five min, lol. more power to you. one love.
Uktrucka 6 months ago
the rebels set up their own bank as well as their own oil company ... whenever I rise up against a dictatorship, my preference is to first, oust the leaders, secure the Palace, free any political prisoners and maybe engage in some low level looting.
DingoBabyEat 6 months ago
Central Banks are quasi government entities, Protean! Why would you want a nationalized banking system anyway? Wouldn't that make you a communist?
GnomesAmok 6 months ago
Man this war makes me so angry. I'm at the point where it's not even the lesser of two evils, it's just schoolyard bullying to me. And then as an American I'm supposed to get behind this? I saw a video today on Libya that almost had me crying man, people really need to wake up to what this world is about. I swear I want to smack sense into people who can't think in terms larger than Dem vs GOP and freedom hating Muslims.
spainman2020 6 months ago
The IMF forced deflation on countries for years Protean! Strawman argument alert!
GnomesAmok 6 months ago
@GnomesAmok how democratic of them...but you didn't need to alert the nature of your argument - that's Prima facie
DingoBabyEat 6 months ago
@DingoBabyEat
Thats my point. If the IMF was doing its job properly it would have funded these countries development. It doesn't always do that. And that was supposed to be its job - the job Protean is defaming as "indebting" in these countries. Which it doesnt even do.
GnomesAmok 6 months ago
This reminds me of a game 'Deus Ex'. In one of this game's endings, you have a choice to merge with an AI, who is a dictator, but who also is just and incorruptible and tries to do what is best for humankind without any bias, replacing the current NWO-type of corrupt government (which is actually controlled by a secret organization), which claims to be a democracy.
Yes, I think "just and kind" dictatorship could be better than some "democracies" we have right now.
Xetrez 6 months ago
@Xetrez
Human Revolution is my GOTY.
jasamdomo 6 months ago
You so crazy Protean
GnomesAmok 6 months ago
in UK ... so many 'laws' ; even against plants...: dictatorship ?
treemarble 6 months ago