nothing is stolen anywhere ideas are passed down through time through humans and through different lands and are always improved as time goes on and in one the value of an idea might go up and go down in another place.
This gentleman a Grandmaster is nonsense. A very bad demonstration of mock Jiao Men (Moslem Longfist) Gongfu. Not Nubian MA. Stop making things up! Most African MA deal with wrestling and weapons reflective of that particular environment. None resemble Gongfu this much. Diff arts resemble their geographical environment. All old people of the world had their own war arts. Man always has to try to dominate his fellow and lay claim on evrything there is. STOP THIS.
Spring Leg was first a African Art called Tan TUI. The HUI warriors practiced and used it and were rarely defeated. They traded with China and settled there and were known as the HUI people. Tan Tui was later adopted into the shaolin system and other chinese martial arts system there are 2 versions the 10 road and the 12 road.
Not stolen, it is the shell of Chinese martial arts. But why do you say that it is fitting that it is stolen from the Chinese? There is something that seems vaguely inflammatory about that statement. And a bit irrational.
@ronin752 - Inflammatory? You bet. Have you ever been to Africa? I have, and African Americans are always desperately making claims about their ancestors that are simply not true. None of the African tribes 400 years ago had what we would consider to be a modern 'martial art'. Yes, of course, they knew how to fight. But that was with war clubs, spears and shields. Simplicity was their hallmark. The Zulu were badasses, but not because they knew Kung Fu.
Some African Americans do make exaggerated claims. Like the exaggerated claims of eurocentrist. If I were to make a blanket statement about Europeans based on the claims of Eurocentrist, I would accuse Europeans of stealing culture. Your statement implies the same of African Americans. Not the type of fallacious argument I would expect from a Harvard trained lawyer.
For instance, Eurocentrist, have attempted to claim for years that Egyptian culture was something other than
African. They will even go so far as to discredit the European "fathers" of history, such as Herodotus and Strabo. Herodotus and Strabo both state that the Egyptians, Colcheans and the Ethiopians are all of the same racial group, having dark skin and wooly hair. Champollion attempted to claim that the Ancient Egyptians were not African, or Negroid, but actually Caucasian. It is funny because these Eurocentrist consistantly blur the lines of race when convenient .
As far as a modern martial art, to collect fighting techniques, and practice them without "kata" or forms is very modern. And that is exactly what Africans did, as did European cultures. Secondly, Africa is extremely vast, and home to a variety of cultures and civilizations, past and present. So it is absurd to generalize about them.
Ya'll need to do some research. First off the buddah was not a black man he was an indian prince, secondly Kilaripayattu is considered by most as the oldest martial arts known and sumaria the oldest civilization.
If Budda was Indian, it is possible that he phenotypically resembled a "black" person. And Ta'Nehesian drawing of Martial techniques predates indian arts. However, there is not concrete evidence that Egyptian arts influenced Indian arts, although it is plausible.Also, what this man is practicing is clearly Chinese. If Afrocentrics spent more time practicing and less time claiming a martial art we could have something that we concretely can say that we have contributed.
I believe that he is demonstrating the Shaolin Long Fist form # 1. Africans did have there own martial arts. Those arts as any other did influence other arts. One art that was clearly African is Capoeria. With Brazilians attempting to put their own twist to the art it still remains African in history, movement, and theory. Their are many great African Martial arts.. people should not attempt to claim someone else's history.
Really, Capoeira was created as a direct rebellion to the slave trade. What evidence is there that Capoeira influenced Shaolin arts. I know that there have been African fighting traditions, including grappling traditions. But they were not codified and passed down like Chinese Arts. The Chinese have done something unique with regard to martial arts. It is their contribution. I don't like it when others claim African contributions, and we shouldn't do it to the Chinese.
@ronin752 even the japanese believe that the origins of martial arts are in Africa and then spread to india and then on to china and the shaolin arts are more religious and mystical than the origins in africa the mastering your energy and chi is what is unique but they get that from india everyone develops their own thing but the basic technique originate from africa
We should live in the present, learn from the past, and look forward to the future. Thank you for that comment. The past is important as it the groundwork for the present. knowing the past can cancel prejudice and anger and lead to a understanding. That understanding can make you far more effective in the present and therefore allow you to have an even greater future.
sudan & eithiopia? remember who put kemet in check "Narmer" & them..... This dude said india was 1st......Dravidians......blk...member blk ppul wasn't called blk in ancient times........i know its hard to do but try to remember that, blk is the essence of all colors, u get different colors from the blk! Just like the universe, 1 verse is blk baby!!!!! Hate the blk man is hate yourself!!!!
Human life began in Africa so it makes sense that the Martial Arts (formely called the Montu Art Form) originated in Africa, along with mathematics, science, astronomy, medicine, architect and philosophy.
I'm... speechless, actually, and not in a good way. More in that I'm shaking my head in resignation speechless. Grandmaster of the mountain fist of Nubia, indeed...
Also, the the people doing the idiotic argument of where martial arts came from. Every society developed a martial arts form as soon as they had to defend their territory. The oldest DOCUMENTED martial art (as in structured form ) is Kilaripayattu from India.
@WFROSE Sorry to bother you, but the oldest documented martial art is indeed African. If you ever have the chance to travel to Kemet in Egypt go see the acient temple of Ramessu II and the carvings on the walls. The carvings show people practicing a martial art which now is widely practiced in the mountains of the Sudan. You are right that all people had a way of defending themselves, but I think this debate is about the origin of Gong Fu, which descends from Kalaripayattu as you said. peace.
@rAFiCoRe I was talking with a collegue on that, Tahtib, that dates back to the end of the 4th cen BC, which put it after cave paintings found in India displaying people in animal postures which had been thought to be Kalaripayattu, although it could be a traditional dance. Also, theorists date Vajra Mushti a around 3,000 years ago, Whether that's true or not, it predates the Hellenistic Era, which predates Tahib. But, for full structure (philosophy, technique, regimine), Kalari seems oldest.
@nubianmoors nope black people remained in Africa, and when they migrated, they changed and became people of the new land they discovered. Africans can't just magically appear somewhere spontaneously, this is from the out of Africa theory. They were Asian by the time they lived in Asia having changed thru time. Bhudda was not black either, he is Nepalese. It's in his records, his parents were Napalese king and queen & this is documented in the records.
martial arts came from africa stop hating all the time do your home work i know this man and he is a true grandmaster plus a purple heart war vet us marine he is almost fifty years old and did that form slow for his student.
@nubianmoors martial arts did not come from Africa, I am sure Africans have their own martial arts, but so did other cultures around the world, who created their own martial arts. This form this guy is doing is a kung fu form done really badly believe it or not. African martial arts are much different, if you actually look into it you will see how strong and powerful they can be, such as Nigerian wrestling and dembe, not to mention the zulu stick fighting.
@nubianmoors Martial Arts did not "come from" africa. Every society in war times have developed a form of self-defence - But if u wanna play FIRSTIES , India was first.
@LilBlitz116 how come every single person thinks that martial arts have to be entirely different because they were developed in different parts of the earth? the people had to defend themselves, they observed what works in a fight and what doesn't and taught this to others. in reality, there is no 100 % authentic martial art, there are too many influences from others. have you experienced african martial arts before? how do you know this is not african? btw kung fu isn't chinese, either.
@rAFiCoRe Kunf Fu is Chinese. Only Shaolin kung fu was influenced by Bhodidharma. there are literally !00 different types of kung fu or Wu shu styles in China. Some share origins, others are completely different and started in China. Every culture has their own unique martial arts independent from influences.
Capoeria is a marital art like karate, but the enslaved people had to disguise this as a dance for it to survive.
sealie15 1 month ago
nothing is stolen anywhere ideas are passed down through time through humans and through different lands and are always improved as time goes on and in one the value of an idea might go up and go down in another place.
TheTheswaggera 2 months ago
This gentleman a Grandmaster is nonsense. A very bad demonstration of mock Jiao Men (Moslem Longfist) Gongfu. Not Nubian MA. Stop making things up! Most African MA deal with wrestling and weapons reflective of that particular environment. None resemble Gongfu this much. Diff arts resemble their geographical environment. All old people of the world had their own war arts. Man always has to try to dominate his fellow and lay claim on evrything there is. STOP THIS.
DaiBoxer 2 months ago
@DaiBoxer wrong. do your homework!
Sensaistar7 2 months ago
Spring Leg was first a African Art called Tan TUI. The HUI warriors practiced and used it and were rarely defeated. They traded with China and settled there and were known as the HUI people. Tan Tui was later adopted into the shaolin system and other chinese martial arts system there are 2 versions the 10 road and the 12 road.
TheAntoine9891 4 months ago
Clearly stolen from the Chinese. Stolen. How fitting.
harvardlaw95 6 months ago
@harvardlaw95
Not stolen, it is the shell of Chinese martial arts. But why do you say that it is fitting that it is stolen from the Chinese? There is something that seems vaguely inflammatory about that statement. And a bit irrational.
ronin752 4 months ago
@ronin752 - Inflammatory? You bet. Have you ever been to Africa? I have, and African Americans are always desperately making claims about their ancestors that are simply not true. None of the African tribes 400 years ago had what we would consider to be a modern 'martial art'. Yes, of course, they knew how to fight. But that was with war clubs, spears and shields. Simplicity was their hallmark. The Zulu were badasses, but not because they knew Kung Fu.
harvardlaw95 4 months ago
@harvardlaw95
Some African Americans do make exaggerated claims. Like the exaggerated claims of eurocentrist. If I were to make a blanket statement about Europeans based on the claims of Eurocentrist, I would accuse Europeans of stealing culture. Your statement implies the same of African Americans. Not the type of fallacious argument I would expect from a Harvard trained lawyer.
For instance, Eurocentrist, have attempted to claim for years that Egyptian culture was something other than
ronin752 4 months ago
@harvardlaw95
African. They will even go so far as to discredit the European "fathers" of history, such as Herodotus and Strabo. Herodotus and Strabo both state that the Egyptians, Colcheans and the Ethiopians are all of the same racial group, having dark skin and wooly hair. Champollion attempted to claim that the Ancient Egyptians were not African, or Negroid, but actually Caucasian. It is funny because these Eurocentrist consistantly blur the lines of race when convenient .
ronin752 4 months ago
Respond to this video...
As far as a modern martial art, to collect fighting techniques, and practice them without "kata" or forms is very modern. And that is exactly what Africans did, as did European cultures. Secondly, Africa is extremely vast, and home to a variety of cultures and civilizations, past and present. So it is absurd to generalize about them.
ronin752 4 months ago
Looks like a romanticised invention of what this guy 'imagines' Nubian 'martial arts' to be: i.e. bullshit
SilvaSkaduwee 6 months ago
"Nubian" lol
mrtundra45 6 months ago
Ya'll need to do some research. First off the buddah was not a black man he was an indian prince, secondly Kilaripayattu is considered by most as the oldest martial arts known and sumaria the oldest civilization.
1969jmac 7 months ago
@1969jmac
If Budda was Indian, it is possible that he phenotypically resembled a "black" person. And Ta'Nehesian drawing of Martial techniques predates indian arts. However, there is not concrete evidence that Egyptian arts influenced Indian arts, although it is plausible.Also, what this man is practicing is clearly Chinese. If Afrocentrics spent more time practicing and less time claiming a martial art we could have something that we concretely can say that we have contributed.
ronin752 5 months ago
@ronin752
I believe that he is demonstrating the Shaolin Long Fist form # 1. Africans did have there own martial arts. Those arts as any other did influence other arts. One art that was clearly African is Capoeria. With Brazilians attempting to put their own twist to the art it still remains African in history, movement, and theory. Their are many great African Martial arts.. people should not attempt to claim someone else's history.
TheAntoine9891 4 months ago
@TheAntoine9891
Really, Capoeira was created as a direct rebellion to the slave trade. What evidence is there that Capoeira influenced Shaolin arts. I know that there have been African fighting traditions, including grappling traditions. But they were not codified and passed down like Chinese Arts. The Chinese have done something unique with regard to martial arts. It is their contribution. I don't like it when others claim African contributions, and we shouldn't do it to the Chinese.
ronin752 4 months ago
@ronin752 even the japanese believe that the origins of martial arts are in Africa and then spread to india and then on to china and the shaolin arts are more religious and mystical than the origins in africa the mastering your energy and chi is what is unique but they get that from india everyone develops their own thing but the basic technique originate from africa
TheTheswaggera 2 months ago
@1969jmac
We need to live in the present.
ronin752 5 months ago
@ronin752
We should live in the present, learn from the past, and look forward to the future. Thank you for that comment. The past is important as it the groundwork for the present. knowing the past can cancel prejudice and anger and lead to a understanding. That understanding can make you far more effective in the present and therefore allow you to have an even greater future.
TheAntoine9891 4 months ago
This strangely resembles a "Spring Leg" from Wu-Su.
fnkdrmmr 8 months ago
sudan & eithiopia? remember who put kemet in check "Narmer" & them..... This dude said india was 1st......Dravidians......blk...member blk ppul wasn't called blk in ancient times........i know its hard to do but try to remember that, blk is the essence of all colors, u get different colors from the blk! Just like the universe, 1 verse is blk baby!!!!! Hate the blk man is hate yourself!!!!
little95 9 months ago
i think you are wrong my friend it is in kemet,there is no civilization older than kemet...
B7acKLioN 9 months ago
Human life began in Africa so it makes sense that the Martial Arts (formely called the Montu Art Form) originated in Africa, along with mathematics, science, astronomy, medicine, architect and philosophy.
SithV1 9 months ago
Come on people who cares who was first.
jetlee357 1 year ago
how come it looks like Indonesian silat and bits of kung fu?
siddqqeeutube 1 year ago
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I'm... speechless, actually, and not in a good way. More in that I'm shaking my head in resignation speechless. Grandmaster of the mountain fist of Nubia, indeed...
Also, the the people doing the idiotic argument of where martial arts came from. Every society developed a martial arts form as soon as they had to defend their territory. The oldest DOCUMENTED martial art (as in structured form ) is Kilaripayattu from India.
WFROSE 1 year ago
@WFROSE Sorry to bother you, but the oldest documented martial art is indeed African. If you ever have the chance to travel to Kemet in Egypt go see the acient temple of Ramessu II and the carvings on the walls. The carvings show people practicing a martial art which now is widely practiced in the mountains of the Sudan. You are right that all people had a way of defending themselves, but I think this debate is about the origin of Gong Fu, which descends from Kalaripayattu as you said. peace.
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
@rAFiCoRe I was talking with a collegue on that, Tahtib, that dates back to the end of the 4th cen BC, which put it after cave paintings found in India displaying people in animal postures which had been thought to be Kalaripayattu, although it could be a traditional dance. Also, theorists date Vajra Mushti a around 3,000 years ago, Whether that's true or not, it predates the Hellenistic Era, which predates Tahib. But, for full structure (philosophy, technique, regimine), Kalari seems oldest.
WFROSE 1 year ago
africans where in asia and india before any other race budah was a black man china was the third place to learn martial arts.
nubianmoors 1 year ago
@nubianmoors nope black people remained in Africa, and when they migrated, they changed and became people of the new land they discovered. Africans can't just magically appear somewhere spontaneously, this is from the out of Africa theory. They were Asian by the time they lived in Asia having changed thru time. Bhudda was not black either, he is Nepalese. It's in his records, his parents were Napalese king and queen & this is documented in the records.
Should know better than to make stuff up.
wonphi 1 year ago
martial arts came from africa stop hating all the time do your home work i know this man and he is a true grandmaster plus a purple heart war vet us marine he is almost fifty years old and did that form slow for his student.
nubianmoors 1 year ago
@nubianmoors martial arts did not come from Africa, I am sure Africans have their own martial arts, but so did other cultures around the world, who created their own martial arts. This form this guy is doing is a kung fu form done really badly believe it or not. African martial arts are much different, if you actually look into it you will see how strong and powerful they can be, such as Nigerian wrestling and dembe, not to mention the zulu stick fighting.
wonphi 1 year ago
@nubianmoors Martial Arts did not "come from" africa. Every society in war times have developed a form of self-defence - But if u wanna play FIRSTIES , India was first.
jesusaurus09 1 year ago
Looks like Ma family Long Fist I am guessing?
RoyalDragonusa 1 year ago
im interested in african martial arts don't do wushu and claim it's african.this is chinese all the way.loser
LilBlitz116 1 year ago
@LilBlitz116 how come every single person thinks that martial arts have to be entirely different because they were developed in different parts of the earth? the people had to defend themselves, they observed what works in a fight and what doesn't and taught this to others. in reality, there is no 100 % authentic martial art, there are too many influences from others. have you experienced african martial arts before? how do you know this is not african? btw kung fu isn't chinese, either.
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
@rAFiCoRe Kunf Fu is Chinese. Only Shaolin kung fu was influenced by Bhodidharma. there are literally !00 different types of kung fu or Wu shu styles in China. Some share origins, others are completely different and started in China. Every culture has their own unique martial arts independent from influences.
wonphi 1 year ago
Obviously he is a Blue Scarf. How many levels more before he gets to the Black Scarf? :) or maybe since he is Grand Master maybe Blue is the highest.
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
Hmmm. I dunno.
DaiBoxer 1 year ago
is this serious?
hotpopcorncake 1 year ago
'grandmaster'?
Steadno 1 year ago 5
excellent
khepruuu 1 year ago