I have just one thing to say! Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable!! I feel really sorry for your soul! You are going to go for a really hot swim in a lake of fire!!!!
The mark of the beast is a heretical baptism (forehead) caused by the Masonic Vatican after 1944, or a Masonic handshake (right hand). Trent and Acts 19: if anyone says that John's baptism (Holy Spirit/Spiritus Sanctus) has the force of Christ's baptism (Holy Ghost/Spiritum Sanctum), let him be anathema. The name switch causes a change in the character of that soul. This Sacramental character is the secret of the priesthood and is why Masonry had to destroy the Rite. FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
I really enjoyed your talk. It was very enlightening. It is nice to hear a young man speak with such understanding and wisdom. That comes from above. Thanks.
That was a great argument you gave. Thanks for that, it was a blessing for me. The key is true spiritual discernment, which is another gift from the Lord, so that we can know what is of God and what isn't. There is a reason Christ sent the Holy Spirit to indwell all believers. We are marked by our Father in Heaven, He knows what is His and what isn't, & we can know also because it is, as Paul points out, all of the same spirit. Blessings to you!
The Word of God is directed at a particular person(s). God still speaks to His people today and that is the Word of God to them. Unregenerated religous people cling to the Bible like a liferaft, whereas His sheep hear His voice and cling to that.
3[Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;
The only way to have this confidence is by the Holy Ghost b/c you can change the Book (Bible).
The professing church may have influence and mass appeal, but they have by no means hijacked truth. They have done more damage than good. By their very acts for centuries, they have turned truth into heresy and heresy to truth.
Inspite of their erroneous interpretations and poor translations of Scripture, God is still in control. He speaks to men's hearts. And that can be done with or without a Bible. BTW - why the apostles did not publish a Bible. Did they know man would worship it as Lord?
well, i believe what happen in pentecost, but nowhere in the bible mentions pentecostalism!!!!!!!!!!! of course i believe in miracles and all that, but we have to be careful with this movement!
@MultiMaktub ,,, Well i believe that people refer to themselves as pentecostal, is becuz they are acknowledging that they are believing what happend on the day of Pentecost as what they believe today for themselves. The bible Does say in acts ch.2,, that they (the people) continued in the apostles doctrine... What it comes down to is this, Either your preacher is preaching what Peter and the rest of the apostles preached, or he isnt. And yes... What they preached are the words in Red........
i just prayed for a sick person on facebook and they were instantly healed...by the way. its ur loss if u dont want to believe that our God is alive and working today, not mine.
yeah. good. i agree with you and the video. my comment is aimed at those who watch it and are against it for any reason =). im sorry if u took any offense, please forgive me if it did...
If you reject spiritual gifts, you put yourself in danger of disobeying scripture and disobeying God. The Bible says to despise not prophesyings, and to desire spiritual gifts. We should be cautious, and discern, but not reject without discerning. I Thessalonians 5 teaches the proper balance. Btw, God did not like it when Israel did not believe in spite of all the miracles.
I agree, one should discern if the gift it of God before one rejects it.
Can you tell me what these gifts are? Can they be anything? Because I have a gift of music, I like to believe it was God's gift, but honestly, it is not always of God or for God, not that it is evil, but it is not holy enough for church either. The music I play at the university of Texas is concert music, and it is not always of God. Even though, I thank him everyday for this gift because I make my living of it...
My main question is, what specifically are these gifts, and where can I find this in the Bible? Because I might be in big trouble for over looking this for so long.
@SaudaraLink So, what basis does any Protestant have to tell whether something is of God or not? The same basis that has allowed for the near infinite division of Protestantism. It is sad but true, and it hurts my heart. Where is the authority?
How do you pray when you don't know what you are saying? And then you say, it is praying in the holy spirit. I know what people call it, the language of angels, the prayer the devil can't hear, the prayer that secretly speaks the will of God. I am an insider and I see what goes on.
I was pressured into asking for this gift. But it doesn't make sense because you conciously know what you are doing, so it is faking God's takeover, and if so, for what purpose when It doesn't teach anything?
Well, first of all, I've never heard of it being the prayer the devil can't hear. Actually, I think the Devil flees at the sound of it. He'll be back, but he can't stand up against the power of God. And why does it have to teach anything? Can't we just worship God?
I'm sorry I meant, "the prayer the devil can't understand," but that's the church saying this.
Well, from my understanding God doesn't care about rituals, actually, it make him want to vomit at the things churches are doing today.
You worship God from how you live your life. There is no need for jibber jabber. Everyone is faking it, or really believe it is coming from God. It is just one big fade that most Pentecosts do, as religious as Catholics, to claim a piece of Godliness.
Your being flipid. Mark is off in his interpretation of sola scriptura. We are to honor God's word even above his Name as He does (Psalms 138:2). God's word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto out path. It's what paves our way to Heaven. It is what imparts the Holy Ghost to us. Remember the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and now our relationship with God and confidence and salvation are in His Word.
daltonagre, are you really serious? The Pentecostal experience started way back in the book of Acts. You know, IN THE BIBLE, not by some man named Charles.. my my my
There were many leaders in Pentecostalism, and a movement in England with some of the same distinctive doctrines 70 years before it. It seems most likely sodomy charges against Parham may well have been character assassination/persecution. The case was dropped and there was no one to testify, but the rumors hurt him all his life. Pentecostals were beaten and even persecuted by local governments, even, back then.
There is also the story of African-American preacher Seymore, whom some call the founder of Pentecostalism, and some say is the most influential African American on world history so far. One account is that he sat outside the classroom at Parham's Bible school because of Jim Crow laws, but Parham's niece said the story she always heard was that he was in the classroom with the other students.
There are plenty of historical documents that show that Parham faced flack in his day for having mixed meetings with Blacks in his day. He gets labeled as racist because he used the 'N' word once to describe a man he considered to be particularly carnal. I'm not condoning Parham doing this, but the word may not have had the same stigma in 1906 that it does now.
You make some points to consider, but I am compelled by the Holy Ghost to weigh them against the Scriptures. Why is this? And why do you think so many of us believers in Christ Jesus get squeamish when someone starts prophesying and it sounds biblical, but it is clearly not actual scripture?
Me thinks the Holy Ghost repels me from extra-biblical anything, especially since we all know how wicked and deceitful man's heart is, even our own. I only trust God's word, my King James Bible.
It seems like you are claiming extra-Biblical revelation about what repels you. The apostles did not use the KJV. Jesus did not use the KJV. Why must we?
I'll believe the Bible. The Bible says there are real spiritual gifts. I'll believe that rather than man-made extra-Biblical doctrines on the subject.
I have the Holy Ghost in me, who teaches me all things and the truth by illuminating the Scriptures for me, and the Spirit bears witness with me that I am a child of God through the revelations of God's word. That's not extra biblical.
The preservation of God's word, to us-ward through the King James Bible is a separate topic.
I don't see how you can see my answer is 'squeemish.' Of course not every prophecy is true. The issue is what the Bible actually teaches, not man-made versions of what sola scriptura means. The Bible teaches that prophecy is a real gift that the Spirit gives to certain believers.
No. Your answer didn't make me squeamish. I was still addressing the prophecies like the example I gave and asking you, who is apparently OK with modern-day prophesying why do you think I, a Holy Ghost filled saint, repels from any when I cannot immediately wrap a verse or passage around it. BTW, I have been a serious student of the Word for several years now, but still young in the faith.
Yes. Prophecy is a real gift that the Spirit gives to believers. I got a prophecy for my fellow Americans and even my own family: Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the dead; before that people are going to take the mark of the beast and bow down to worship the image of man. In the Bible? Yes. An inspired utterance of foretelling events? Yes.
That's all the Holy Ghost has taught me so far. Thanks for all your replies!
Pentecostals are descendants of the Protestant Reformation.The movement justified itself based on the idea of Sola Scriptura.(S/C)The validity of the Protestant Reformation is dependant on the concept of S/C.If a pentecostal argues against sola scriptura,then he gives validity to Catholicism which adheres to scripture and Church tradition as sources of authority. Church Tradition,backed up by historical continuity has imo more legetimacy than pentecostalism if u dismiss the idea of S/C .
First, your reasoning assumes there are only two options, RCC, or this particular version of 'sola scriptura.' My video is not against sola scriptura per se. It is against taking the concept to an extreme and actually contradicts scripture.
What criteria is used to determine if the concept of sola scriptura is "extreme"?
I don't mean to imply that there are only two options, RRC or pentecostalism, but that as a pentecostal, if you begin an attack of S/C, You have to renegotiate your arguments against the authority/validity of the early church fathers, apostalic sucession, and the endurance of orthodoxy. Im neither RRC or pente, I just love debate, I mean no offence :)
(1.corinth.13:2-19) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever."
Read the Bible where it speaks of God giving dreams, visions, and prophecies to man going back to times that actually pre-date the Bible itself.
in Revelation, at the "end times" we see 2 prophets of God prophesying and performing signs and wonders. So we see that right up to the end of the age, God has given spiritual Gifts for "edification".
Sola Scriptura, at least as it is usually taught, is non-sensical.
Romans and Psalms tell us "The heavens declare him."
Natural revelation in itself cannot save anyone, but it is NOT reliant on scripture.
Someone says, "Sola Scriptura" and then tries to use 2 Time 3:16-17 to prove this. But that doesn't hold water. The text says, "All scripture is given..." It does NOT say, "Only scripture is given...".
Did you learn how to ride a bike by reading the Bible? How about use a computer?
I guess what Oct31st1517 was trying to say was that we should use the scriptures as our final guide. It is the only platform on which to determine truth. On the other hand I see what SaudaraLink is saying as well. The bible itself predicted that God will give further revelations in the last days to women and men. No doubt those revelations will not contradict the scriptures if they are really from God, and that is why Paul says "prove all things"
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
Here is a formula that shall clear things up. It is this:
Any revelation that God gives today must not contradict that former revelation recorded via the prophets and the apostles aforetime. Again! any latter revelation must not contradict former revelation.
May God bless you always! in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
And still another problem, disciple5337. Even if we were to assume (which does not follow from 2 Peter) that every letter written by an Apostle was automatically "Scripture" (to support Sola Scriptura from the 66 book canon itself), at least two of the Gospels and Acts were NOT written by Apostles, and we don't even know WHO wrote the letter to the Hebrews. And we even get the argument from Tradition that not all the NT works by "John" were by John the Apostle.
disciple5337, you're also going to have to contend with the problem that 2 Peter doesn't mention nor imply any of the OTHER NT books as "Scripture" (even if we were to include every letter attributed to Paul), including itself. So you'll need to then dump 1-3 John, Jude, James, Hebrews, Revelation, along with 1-2 Peter.
The Bible is the final authority there is no outside revelation. Prophecy is used to build up or edify the church. Prophecy is no more than the forth telling of the word of God. 1 jn4:1 tells us to test the spirits because many false prophets will come. We should not despise prophecy but if they do not line up with the Bible then we should consider them false prophets. This is where Sola Scriptura comes in. Remember2Tim3:16-17 the scriptures are profitable for teaching, correction, equipping etc
2 Timothy 3:16-17 can't be used to support Sola Scriptura, disciple5337. Read the context of that passage. If this is talking about Sola Scriptura, then we should only hold the Tanakh (Old Testament) as inspired!
not true, because if you remeber in 2 peter 3:16, Peter equates Paul's writings to the OT scriptures, putting them on the same level. Logically if you equate one Apostle's writings to the OT, then you must do the same for the others. Therefore both OT and NT are the inspired word of God, and both fall under 2Tim 3:16-17, and are authoritative. Praise the Lord.
Clever, however, this still ignores the context of 2 Timothy 3:16-17. These were the Scriptures that Timothy had known from his youth (or infancy, as it is rendered). Did Paul write his letters in Timothy's infancy (including this one)? 2 Peter doesn't specify which of Paul's letters he's talking about (and we know Paul wrote others letters that do not appear in the NT canon, which are lost). That implies the Scriptures are incomplete, or have superfluous writings.
Plus, 2 Peter was most likely written after all the letters of Paul, even after 2 Timothy, which would mean that 2 Peter itself would not be Scripture, in the context that 2 Timothy refers. So here you'd be implying we rely on a source OUTSIDE Scripture to define the canon (which denies the Sola Scriptura you were trying to defend). Again, 2 Timothy is referring to writings available in Timothy's youth (infancy).
I'm asking those who believe in the Trinity to provide me with one example where the Apostles baptized in the titles. I've been asking October31st1517 for months but he refuses to respond, choosing rather to dance.
well i have so much to say trinity lesson for those who want to learn!
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
notice he said let us / and our image notice us and our see
john 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
see here it says God turned His words into flesh
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
see it says His meaning Gods words have been here forever
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Gods words are part of God so He decided to take part of Himself His words & turn it into flesh Gods words are still part of God & are just as important just like your brain is not "just you" but at the same it still makes you you
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
see here Jesus is God but theres someone else the Holy Ghost and He was here at this very day to show us that there is three present and three "people" yes i know the Holy Ghost is not a person =)
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
see up there John 14:16-17 its the Holy Ghost He lives in us "He shall give you another Comforter" who? God will I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Jesus says this so Jesus will come unto us now "i dont know if this is right but" think of it like Jesus soul just like Jesus is God's Words there both very differant & there differant things just like your brian is differant from your heart but its just as important & both are very needed & they both make up your body & you
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
now remeber Jesus said up there I will come to you and here it says the Holy Ghost is come upon you so its like i was saying "i think"... about How maybe the Holy Ghost is Gods spirit ya know
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
see Jesus said this and He was there from the get go just like when they said let US make man in OUR own image
If someone were to profess that the entire world would be saved before the return of Christ, we would look into Scripture to see if it could be verified. In this way Scripture is the end-all-determining-factor of Christianity. This does not deny things like Bible studies and other supplementary materials. That is Sola Scriptura, SOLO Scriptura is the belief that the Bible is the only BOOK we need. Period. This would discredit medicine, history, etc.
Do believe the Bible is Perfect, Inerrant, Complete and Holy?
If we are talking about prophecy as Paul referred to it (for edification of the church) then it is a good thing. This is encouragement. We test prophecy by Scripture. If something that is revealed contrary to Scripture, it is false. If it is revelation, as from the Old Testament prophets, we should treat them the same way. Stone them.
We don't hold that Old Testament revelation is continuing for it is contrary to Scripture. (cont)
Yes i accept that you deleted the post but you did not answer me...
If you believe in trinity then why you think that i offended you cause i was speaking to oneness believers...and not the trinitarians...
still my opinion for pentecostalism is that teaches false or wrong the bible...
you can't understand better the than the greeks(byzantium)you must read history,most of you don't even know how the Holy Trinity started...most of you know that is started from catholicism...and is wrong...
Do you think men in Byzantium started the Trinity? I don't know anyone who believes in the Trinity that thinks that the Roman Catholics invented the nature of God. God existed before Roman Catholics or Byzantium. Btw, your post was about what 'you' teach-- sounded like it referred to me.
Hroniskos I accidently deleted your last post along with one of mine by hitting remove instead of reply this time. Sorry. the problem is not my redefining things. The problem is your not doing your research. The last I read, about 5% of Pentecostals are nontrinitarian. Their sotoriology is different, too. Your post talked about 'you' teaching things. In context of other posts, it appeared to refer to me, after I told you I did not believe that.
I am one of the small minority that do not believe in the Trinity. Please tell me this, if the Trinity was truth, it would have been the best well kept mystery in the entire O.T.
Would not you think that at least one Apostle, prophet, or disciple would have attempted to gloss over this great mystery instead of leaving this into the hands of murdering religious zealots of the 2nd to 17th century to gleam for us all. Men who did not even have the spiritual experience of the Early Church.
Again, the majority view of Pentecostals is that the Holy Spirit is in all true believers, but that there is an experience called being baptized in the Holy Spirit as well. The bible does command believers 'be filled with the Spirit' indicating it is possible not to be. I don't get the part about 'evangelist.' Many, many believers who speak in tongues are not evangelists, and speaking in tongues is not limited to the Pentecostal movement.
I don't label myself 'Pentecostal.' The vast majority in the movement are trinitarian. There is a minority, maybe 5% the last I read, that are not trinitarian, who have formed their own denominations or independant churches. Many of them believe you have to speak in tongues and be baptized with someone saying the name of Jesus rather than the Trinitarian formula to be saved. But most Pentecostals do not believe that one has to speak in tongues to be saved.
Your arguments to say that there is revelation outside the bible is not very convincing, to say that we still have revelation direct from God today. If that be the case, then I cannot put my full trust in the bible as the word of God because these prophecies should be in same authority as the bible, and may not be consistent with it.
The Bible mentions plenty of prophecies and revelations that were not quoted in the Bible. If that does not decreae your trust in the Bible, neither should the existence of extra Biblical prophecy today. The Bible DOES teach that prophecy is a real gift for the church. The Bible teaches these gifts are real, so it is unbiblical to see these gifts as 'enemies' of the Bible.
The problem with your point is that the Bible actually teaches these gifts are real, and does not categorize only certain gifts as 'sign gifts', or that they have ceased. Pls. see my other videos on the subject. Click my handle.
The scriptures teach these gifts are for the church. They do not say the gifts were for the early church only. The Bible backs up the reality of these gifts.
Quadrinity ? No disrespect - you don't have a high enough or even RIGHT view of scripture and your parable doesn't make any sense....or relate to the doctrine of sola scriptura.
BC, I have a very high view of scripture. I say, let's believe what it teaches, not invent doctrines about the role of scripture that contradict scripture teachings (on gifts of the Spirit.)
All things should be interpreted by the light of scripture. If someone claims a revelation from God that contradicts scripture, that person is false, because God does not contradict himself.
As I told October31st517, Pentecostals have allowed too much false doctrine in the church because we focus on feeling, on the "gifts", instead of scripture.
Sorry, accidently deleted when trying to respond. To previous poster, Jesus said He would send prophets in Matthew 23. Eph 4 tells of his giving prophets after the acension. Acts shows there are prophets in church after ascension. trying to use Hebrews 1 to say there are no more prophets contradicts scripture.
Also, in many churches, when tongues are spoken out to the congegation, they are interpreted. Sometimes two people get the same interpretation and one gives it.
They are honoring the Bible because it is God's Word!
dreamer216 4 months ago
I understand the title of this video, it is RE: to someone saying Pentecostal is not of God, so you responded by questioning them. Gotcha!
RosetheRiveter 8 months ago
I have just one thing to say! Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable!! I feel really sorry for your soul! You are going to go for a really hot swim in a lake of fire!!!!
howard6410 8 months ago
@howard6410 Are you talking to me? Why would you accuse me of such a thing. Did you even listen to the video? Btw, do you know what "Re:" means?
SaudaraLink 8 months ago
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The mark of the beast is a heretical baptism (forehead) caused by the Masonic Vatican after 1944, or a Masonic handshake (right hand). Trent and Acts 19: if anyone says that John's baptism (Holy Spirit/Spiritus Sanctus) has the force of Christ's baptism (Holy Ghost/Spiritum Sanctum), let him be anathema. The name switch causes a change in the character of that soul. This Sacramental character is the secret of the priesthood and is why Masonry had to destroy the Rite. FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
fatimamovement 11 months ago
I really enjoyed your talk. It was very enlightening. It is nice to hear a young man speak with such understanding and wisdom. That comes from above. Thanks.
SP567 1 year ago
That was a great argument you gave. Thanks for that, it was a blessing for me. The key is true spiritual discernment, which is another gift from the Lord, so that we can know what is of God and what isn't. There is a reason Christ sent the Holy Spirit to indwell all believers. We are marked by our Father in Heaven, He knows what is His and what isn't, & we can know also because it is, as Paul points out, all of the same spirit. Blessings to you!
jmcclellan54321 1 year ago
i totally agree with you!!
die4ea 2 years ago
The Word of God is directed at a particular person(s). God still speaks to His people today and that is the Word of God to them. Unregenerated religous people cling to the Bible like a liferaft, whereas His sheep hear His voice and cling to that.
Pfsif 2 years ago
Sola Scriptura? See 2 Cor 3:
3[Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;
The only way to have this confidence is by the Holy Ghost b/c you can change the Book (Bible).
Strafete 2 years ago
The professing church may have influence and mass appeal, but they have by no means hijacked truth. They have done more damage than good. By their very acts for centuries, they have turned truth into heresy and heresy to truth.
Inspite of their erroneous interpretations and poor translations of Scripture, God is still in control. He speaks to men's hearts. And that can be done with or without a Bible. BTW - why the apostles did not publish a Bible. Did they know man would worship it as Lord?
Strafete 2 years ago
Please don't get me wrong. I am not anti-Bible. It's just that those who claim to honor God's Word dishonor it.
Strafete 2 years ago
well, i believe what happen in pentecost, but nowhere in the bible mentions pentecostalism!!!!!!!!!!! of course i believe in miracles and all that, but we have to be careful with this movement!
MultiMaktub 2 years ago
@MultiMaktub ,,, Well i believe that people refer to themselves as pentecostal, is becuz they are acknowledging that they are believing what happend on the day of Pentecost as what they believe today for themselves. The bible Does say in acts ch.2,, that they (the people) continued in the apostles doctrine... What it comes down to is this, Either your preacher is preaching what Peter and the rest of the apostles preached, or he isnt. And yes... What they preached are the words in Red........
myGodis1lord 2 years ago
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PetesaysJesusLives 2 years ago
i just prayed for a sick person on facebook and they were instantly healed...by the way. its ur loss if u dont want to believe that our God is alive and working today, not mine.
PetesaysJesusLives 2 years ago
I believe in the gifts. Please listen to the video. I am responding to someone who posted a message saying Pentecostalism is not of God.
SaudaraLink 2 years ago
yeah. good. i agree with you and the video. my comment is aimed at those who watch it and are against it for any reason =). im sorry if u took any offense, please forgive me if it did...
PetesaysJesusLives 2 years ago
@SaudaraLink ... So are you Pentecostal?
myGodis1lord 2 years ago
Excellent video.
VandyTank 3 years ago
If you make yourself open to signs and wonders, you are in danger of being deceived by Satan.
I believe it is better to be cautious than to always openly accept these visions and signs. Jesus is the only one we need to accept fully.
But honestly, tongues bother me in my heart because it has no use when it is just aimless babble.
If God gave me a gift to speak the word in French to a French man, I would surely consider that tongues. And I would boast about it either.
trombonedude85 3 years ago
If you reject spiritual gifts, you put yourself in danger of disobeying scripture and disobeying God. The Bible says to despise not prophesyings, and to desire spiritual gifts. We should be cautious, and discern, but not reject without discerning. I Thessalonians 5 teaches the proper balance. Btw, God did not like it when Israel did not believe in spite of all the miracles.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
I agree, one should discern if the gift it of God before one rejects it.
Can you tell me what these gifts are? Can they be anything? Because I have a gift of music, I like to believe it was God's gift, but honestly, it is not always of God or for God, not that it is evil, but it is not holy enough for church either. The music I play at the university of Texas is concert music, and it is not always of God. Even though, I thank him everyday for this gift because I make my living of it...
trombonedude85 3 years ago
My main question is, what specifically are these gifts, and where can I find this in the Bible? Because I might be in big trouble for over looking this for so long.
trombonedude85 3 years ago
@SaudaraLink So, what basis does any Protestant have to tell whether something is of God or not? The same basis that has allowed for the near infinite division of Protestantism. It is sad but true, and it hurts my heart. Where is the authority?
123MrBee 8 months ago
It has no sense to outside viewers. It is a gift from God for prayer.
marioaran 3 years ago
How do you pray when you don't know what you are saying? And then you say, it is praying in the holy spirit. I know what people call it, the language of angels, the prayer the devil can't hear, the prayer that secretly speaks the will of God. I am an insider and I see what goes on.
I was pressured into asking for this gift. But it doesn't make sense because you conciously know what you are doing, so it is faking God's takeover, and if so, for what purpose when It doesn't teach anything?
trombonedude85 3 years ago
Well, first of all, I've never heard of it being the prayer the devil can't hear. Actually, I think the Devil flees at the sound of it. He'll be back, but he can't stand up against the power of God. And why does it have to teach anything? Can't we just worship God?
marioaran 3 years ago
I'm sorry I meant, "the prayer the devil can't understand," but that's the church saying this.
Well, from my understanding God doesn't care about rituals, actually, it make him want to vomit at the things churches are doing today.
You worship God from how you live your life. There is no need for jibber jabber. Everyone is faking it, or really believe it is coming from God. It is just one big fade that most Pentecosts do, as religious as Catholics, to claim a piece of Godliness.
trombonedude85 3 years ago
Well, having it myself, I can assure your it most definately is from God. And i can't prove that to you, unless you try it yourself.
marioaran 3 years ago
God bless men like you who stands up for the truth. Good response to marks video.
markandchristina 3 years ago
Your being flipid. Mark is off in his interpretation of sola scriptura. We are to honor God's word even above his Name as He does (Psalms 138:2). God's word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto out path. It's what paves our way to Heaven. It is what imparts the Holy Ghost to us. Remember the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and now our relationship with God and confidence and salvation are in His Word.
GospleWarior 3 years ago
The pentecost started the day of the pentecost not by man.
jamundi308 3 years ago
Is the correct term Roman Catholic Church or Holy Apostolic Catholic Church?
0341dog 3 years ago
roman catholic church
ballistic383 3 years ago
daltonagre, are you really serious? The Pentecostal experience started way back in the book of Acts. You know, IN THE BIBLE, not by some man named Charles.. my my my
jesusfan321 3 years ago
Pentecostalism was created by Charles Fox Parham.This man was racist, gay, charlatan, pedophille,etc.
daltonagre 3 years ago
There were many leaders in Pentecostalism, and a movement in England with some of the same distinctive doctrines 70 years before it. It seems most likely sodomy charges against Parham may well have been character assassination/persecution. The case was dropped and there was no one to testify, but the rumors hurt him all his life. Pentecostals were beaten and even persecuted by local governments, even, back then.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
There is also the story of African-American preacher Seymore, whom some call the founder of Pentecostalism, and some say is the most influential African American on world history so far. One account is that he sat outside the classroom at Parham's Bible school because of Jim Crow laws, but Parham's niece said the story she always heard was that he was in the classroom with the other students.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
There are plenty of historical documents that show that Parham faced flack in his day for having mixed meetings with Blacks in his day. He gets labeled as racist because he used the 'N' word once to describe a man he considered to be particularly carnal. I'm not condoning Parham doing this, but the word may not have had the same stigma in 1906 that it does now.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
what??? who is this man??? pentecostalism is fromt the bible sweety.
norray19 3 years ago
Actually, I believe it was started by the Apostles in the first century, right after Jesus was taken up.
marioaran 3 years ago
You make some points to consider, but I am compelled by the Holy Ghost to weigh them against the Scriptures. Why is this? And why do you think so many of us believers in Christ Jesus get squeamish when someone starts prophesying and it sounds biblical, but it is clearly not actual scripture?
Me thinks the Holy Ghost repels me from extra-biblical anything, especially since we all know how wicked and deceitful man's heart is, even our own. I only trust God's word, my King James Bible.
apathyHurtsMore 3 years ago
It seems like you are claiming extra-Biblical revelation about what repels you. The apostles did not use the KJV. Jesus did not use the KJV. Why must we?
I'll believe the Bible. The Bible says there are real spiritual gifts. I'll believe that rather than man-made extra-Biblical doctrines on the subject.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
Reply 1 of 2
I have the Holy Ghost in me, who teaches me all things and the truth by illuminating the Scriptures for me, and the Spirit bears witness with me that I am a child of God through the revelations of God's word. That's not extra biblical.
The preservation of God's word, to us-ward through the King James Bible is a separate topic.
apathyHurtsMore 3 years ago
Reply 2 of 2
On topic, I asked you a legitimate question since this squemish reaction is what I get, knowing my Father is very protective of me, his little child.
Why is this? Can you explain from scripture how my aprehension of biblical-sounding, but not verifiable prophesies are misfounded?
Here is an example of what my spirit was recently repelled from: HARVEST AND JUDGMENT MAIN VIDEO NOV 2008 (LOh66he66r0).
apathyHurtsMore 3 years ago
I don't see how you can see my answer is 'squeemish.' Of course not every prophecy is true. The issue is what the Bible actually teaches, not man-made versions of what sola scriptura means. The Bible teaches that prophecy is a real gift that the Spirit gives to certain believers.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
Reply 1 of 2 again (stupid 500 character count)
No. Your answer didn't make me squeamish. I was still addressing the prophecies like the example I gave and asking you, who is apparently OK with modern-day prophesying why do you think I, a Holy Ghost filled saint, repels from any when I cannot immediately wrap a verse or passage around it. BTW, I have been a serious student of the Word for several years now, but still young in the faith.
apathyHurtsMore 3 years ago
Reply 2 of 2 again (stupid 500 character count)
Yes. Prophecy is a real gift that the Spirit gives to believers. I got a prophecy for my fellow Americans and even my own family: Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the dead; before that people are going to take the mark of the beast and bow down to worship the image of man. In the Bible? Yes. An inspired utterance of foretelling events? Yes.
That's all the Holy Ghost has taught me so far. Thanks for all your replies!
apathyHurtsMore 3 years ago
Pentecostals are descendants of the Protestant Reformation.The movement justified itself based on the idea of Sola Scriptura.(S/C)The validity of the Protestant Reformation is dependant on the concept of S/C.If a pentecostal argues against sola scriptura,then he gives validity to Catholicism which adheres to scripture and Church tradition as sources of authority. Church Tradition,backed up by historical continuity has imo more legetimacy than pentecostalism if u dismiss the idea of S/C .
southcoastvet83 3 years ago
First, your reasoning assumes there are only two options, RCC, or this particular version of 'sola scriptura.' My video is not against sola scriptura per se. It is against taking the concept to an extreme and actually contradicts scripture.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
What criteria is used to determine if the concept of sola scriptura is "extreme"?
I don't mean to imply that there are only two options, RRC or pentecostalism, but that as a pentecostal, if you begin an attack of S/C, You have to renegotiate your arguments against the authority/validity of the early church fathers, apostalic sucession, and the endurance of orthodoxy. Im neither RRC or pente, I just love debate, I mean no offence :)
southcoastvet83 3 years ago
(1.corinth.13:2-19) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
tonguestompers 3 years ago
But let's look at something.
"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever."
Read the Bible where it speaks of God giving dreams, visions, and prophecies to man going back to times that actually pre-date the Bible itself.
in Revelation, at the "end times" we see 2 prophets of God prophesying and performing signs and wonders. So we see that right up to the end of the age, God has given spiritual Gifts for "edification".
WadeDanielSmith 3 years ago
Sola Scriptura, at least as it is usually taught, is non-sensical.
Romans and Psalms tell us "The heavens declare him."
Natural revelation in itself cannot save anyone, but it is NOT reliant on scripture.
Someone says, "Sola Scriptura" and then tries to use 2 Time 3:16-17 to prove this. But that doesn't hold water. The text says, "All scripture is given..." It does NOT say, "Only scripture is given...".
Did you learn how to ride a bike by reading the Bible? How about use a computer?
WadeDanielSmith 3 years ago
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
God bless you! Brother! In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Marquest Burton
Truthknower 3 years ago
I guess what Oct31st1517 was trying to say was that we should use the scriptures as our final guide. It is the only platform on which to determine truth. On the other hand I see what SaudaraLink is saying as well. The bible itself predicted that God will give further revelations in the last days to women and men. No doubt those revelations will not contradict the scriptures if they are really from God, and that is why Paul says "prove all things"
Bobbyaf 3 years ago
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
Here is a formula that shall clear things up. It is this:
Any revelation that God gives today must not contradict that former revelation recorded via the prophets and the apostles aforetime. Again! any latter revelation must not contradict former revelation.
May God bless you always! in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Marquest Burton
Truthknower 3 years ago
Amen brother!
Bobbyaf 3 years ago
dang brother Good job. very good. very good.
jonyrock777 3 years ago
And still another problem, disciple5337. Even if we were to assume (which does not follow from 2 Peter) that every letter written by an Apostle was automatically "Scripture" (to support Sola Scriptura from the 66 book canon itself), at least two of the Gospels and Acts were NOT written by Apostles, and we don't even know WHO wrote the letter to the Hebrews. And we even get the argument from Tradition that not all the NT works by "John" were by John the Apostle.
XSC3 3 years ago
disciple5337, you're also going to have to contend with the problem that 2 Peter doesn't mention nor imply any of the OTHER NT books as "Scripture" (even if we were to include every letter attributed to Paul), including itself. So you'll need to then dump 1-3 John, Jude, James, Hebrews, Revelation, along with 1-2 Peter.
XSC3 3 years ago
The Bible is the final authority there is no outside revelation. Prophecy is used to build up or edify the church. Prophecy is no more than the forth telling of the word of God. 1 jn4:1 tells us to test the spirits because many false prophets will come. We should not despise prophecy but if they do not line up with the Bible then we should consider them false prophets. This is where Sola Scriptura comes in. Remember2Tim3:16-17 the scriptures are profitable for teaching, correction, equipping etc
disciple5337 3 years ago
2 Timothy 3:16-17 can't be used to support Sola Scriptura, disciple5337. Read the context of that passage. If this is talking about Sola Scriptura, then we should only hold the Tanakh (Old Testament) as inspired!
XSC3 3 years ago
not true, because if you remeber in 2 peter 3:16, Peter equates Paul's writings to the OT scriptures, putting them on the same level. Logically if you equate one Apostle's writings to the OT, then you must do the same for the others. Therefore both OT and NT are the inspired word of God, and both fall under 2Tim 3:16-17, and are authoritative. Praise the Lord.
disciple5337 3 years ago
Clever, however, this still ignores the context of 2 Timothy 3:16-17. These were the Scriptures that Timothy had known from his youth (or infancy, as it is rendered). Did Paul write his letters in Timothy's infancy (including this one)? 2 Peter doesn't specify which of Paul's letters he's talking about (and we know Paul wrote others letters that do not appear in the NT canon, which are lost). That implies the Scriptures are incomplete, or have superfluous writings.
XSC3 3 years ago
Plus, 2 Peter was most likely written after all the letters of Paul, even after 2 Timothy, which would mean that 2 Peter itself would not be Scripture, in the context that 2 Timothy refers. So here you'd be implying we rely on a source OUTSIDE Scripture to define the canon (which denies the Sola Scriptura you were trying to defend). Again, 2 Timothy is referring to writings available in Timothy's youth (infancy).
XSC3 3 years ago
great discussion here
weberly2 3 years ago
Find me one example of baptism in the titles.
BrotherMurray 3 years ago
I am not sure what you are referring to.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
I'm asking those who believe in the Trinity to provide me with one example where the Apostles baptized in the titles. I've been asking October31st1517 for months but he refuses to respond, choosing rather to dance.
BrotherMurray 3 years ago
well i have so much to say trinity lesson for those who want to learn!
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
notice he said let us / and our image notice us and our see
kiekie84 3 years ago
john 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
see here it says God turned His words into flesh
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
see it says His meaning Gods words have been here forever
kiekie84 3 years ago
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Gods words are part of God so He decided to take part of Himself His words & turn it into flesh Gods words are still part of God & are just as important just like your brain is not "just you" but at the same it still makes you you
kiekie84 3 years ago
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
see here Jesus is God but theres someone else the Holy Ghost and He was here at this very day to show us that there is three present and three "people" yes i know the Holy Ghost is not a person =)
kiekie84 3 years ago
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
kiekie84 3 years ago
see up there John 14:16-17 its the Holy Ghost He lives in us "He shall give you another Comforter" who? God will I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Jesus says this so Jesus will come unto us now "i dont know if this is right but" think of it like Jesus soul just like Jesus is God's Words there both very differant & there differant things just like your brian is differant from your heart but its just as important & both are very needed & they both make up your body & you
kiekie84 3 years ago
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
now remeber Jesus said up there I will come to you and here it says the Holy Ghost is come upon you so its like i was saying "i think"... about How maybe the Holy Ghost is Gods spirit ya know
kiekie84 3 years ago
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
see Jesus said this and He was there from the get go just like when they said let US make man in OUR own image
kiekie84 3 years ago
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
and here he says it again well i hope this helps anyway have an awesome day!
kiekie84 3 years ago
So kiekie84, you are saying there is more than one God.
Elohim is in a plural form. Plurality is also used to show vastness and/or performance.
Deuteronomy 6:4: Hear o Israel the Lord thy God is ONE
Jesus told the Apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and they baptized in JESUS name.
BrotherMurray 3 years ago
No offense but October31st517 is a really slow guy. I have never met a dumber 'christian' ever.
tjthepanda 3 years ago
If someone were to profess that the entire world would be saved before the return of Christ, we would look into Scripture to see if it could be verified. In this way Scripture is the end-all-determining-factor of Christianity. This does not deny things like Bible studies and other supplementary materials. That is Sola Scriptura, SOLO Scriptura is the belief that the Bible is the only BOOK we need. Period. This would discredit medicine, history, etc.
(cont 2)
WaynerMartin 3 years ago
Do believe the Bible is Perfect, Inerrant, Complete and Holy?
If we are talking about prophecy as Paul referred to it (for edification of the church) then it is a good thing. This is encouragement. We test prophecy by Scripture. If something that is revealed contrary to Scripture, it is false. If it is revelation, as from the Old Testament prophets, we should treat them the same way. Stone them.
We don't hold that Old Testament revelation is continuing for it is contrary to Scripture. (cont)
WaynerMartin 3 years ago
Yes i accept that you deleted the post but you did not answer me...
If you believe in trinity then why you think that i offended you cause i was speaking to oneness believers...and not the trinitarians...
still my opinion for pentecostalism is that teaches false or wrong the bible...
you can't understand better the than the greeks(byzantium)you must read history,most of you don't even know how the Holy Trinity started...most of you know that is started from catholicism...and is wrong...
hroniskos 3 years ago
Do you think men in Byzantium started the Trinity? I don't know anyone who believes in the Trinity that thinks that the Roman Catholics invented the nature of God. God existed before Roman Catholics or Byzantium. Btw, your post was about what 'you' teach-- sounded like it referred to me.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
Hroniskos I accidently deleted your last post along with one of mine by hitting remove instead of reply this time. Sorry. the problem is not my redefining things. The problem is your not doing your research. The last I read, about 5% of Pentecostals are nontrinitarian. Their sotoriology is different, too. Your post talked about 'you' teaching things. In context of other posts, it appeared to refer to me, after I told you I did not believe that.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
hroniskos, I deleted a couple of your posts because they are 1. irrelevant. 2. accuse me of teaching things I do not teach.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
Most Pentecostal denominations do believe in the Trinity. There is a very small minority known as 'Oneness' who do not.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
I am one of the small minority that do not believe in the Trinity. Please tell me this, if the Trinity was truth, it would have been the best well kept mystery in the entire O.T.
Would not you think that at least one Apostle, prophet, or disciple would have attempted to gloss over this great mystery instead of leaving this into the hands of murdering religious zealots of the 2nd to 17th century to gleam for us all. Men who did not even have the spiritual experience of the Early Church.
Strafete 3 years ago
Again, the majority view of Pentecostals is that the Holy Spirit is in all true believers, but that there is an experience called being baptized in the Holy Spirit as well. The bible does command believers 'be filled with the Spirit' indicating it is possible not to be. I don't get the part about 'evangelist.' Many, many believers who speak in tongues are not evangelists, and speaking in tongues is not limited to the Pentecostal movement.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
I don't label myself 'Pentecostal.' The vast majority in the movement are trinitarian. There is a minority, maybe 5% the last I read, that are not trinitarian, who have formed their own denominations or independant churches. Many of them believe you have to speak in tongues and be baptized with someone saying the name of Jesus rather than the Trinitarian formula to be saved. But most Pentecostals do not believe that one has to speak in tongues to be saved.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
Watch my videos on the empowerment of the holy spirt. I'm not saying you are wrong, but watch. It may affirm or change your beliefs
bryan09nix 4 years ago
Your arguments to say that there is revelation outside the bible is not very convincing, to say that we still have revelation direct from God today. If that be the case, then I cannot put my full trust in the bible as the word of God because these prophecies should be in same authority as the bible, and may not be consistent with it.
stuartasinclair 4 years ago
The Bible mentions plenty of prophecies and revelations that were not quoted in the Bible. If that does not decreae your trust in the Bible, neither should the existence of extra Biblical prophecy today. The Bible DOES teach that prophecy is a real gift for the church. The Bible teaches these gifts are real, so it is unbiblical to see these gifts as 'enemies' of the Bible.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Totally, disagree with what you are saying.
I believe in the scriptures, and not the sign gifts cause they were only for the early church. Experience must back up with the scriptures.
stuartasinclair 4 years ago
The problem with your point is that the Bible actually teaches these gifts are real, and does not categorize only certain gifts as 'sign gifts', or that they have ceased. Pls. see my other videos on the subject. Click my handle.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
The scriptures teach these gifts are for the church. They do not say the gifts were for the early church only. The Bible backs up the reality of these gifts.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Great Job
ApostolicGodsChild 4 years ago
Quadrinity ? No disrespect - you don't have a high enough or even RIGHT view of scripture and your parable doesn't make any sense....or relate to the doctrine of sola scriptura.
BlackCalvinist 4 years ago
BC, I have a very high view of scripture. I say, let's believe what it teaches, not invent doctrines about the role of scripture that contradict scripture teachings (on gifts of the Spirit.)
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
All things should be interpreted by the light of scripture. If someone claims a revelation from God that contradicts scripture, that person is false, because God does not contradict himself.
TheotherPrometheus 4 years ago
Good response.
As I told October31st517, Pentecostals have allowed too much false doctrine in the church because we focus on feeling, on the "gifts", instead of scripture.
TheotherPrometheus 4 years ago
Sorry, accidently deleted when trying to respond. To previous poster, Jesus said He would send prophets in Matthew 23. Eph 4 tells of his giving prophets after the acension. Acts shows there are prophets in church after ascension. trying to use Hebrews 1 to say there are no more prophets contradicts scripture.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Also, in many churches, when tongues are spoken out to the congegation, they are interpreted. Sometimes two people get the same interpretation and one gives it.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I think you brought out some really good points here. Well done. 5/5 *****
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
Hi brother link,
You brought up some real good points!!!
harpozo 4 years ago
God bless you.
ApostleProphet 4 years ago