Yasmin and Terry argue about showing Geert Wilders' "Fitna" (05.03.10) - TWStuff

[MsCATHOLICSTATE]

Beware......your government is handing you over to the Caliphate....silently. They will not deny it. Support a CATHOLIC STATE.....before they surrender you to the Calipahte. A CATHOLIC STATE alone will resist!!

[gangster3591]

"We now bait muslims" .. .

Clicked-off at 7:37. Can't Listen to that politically correct, stupidass old bat

Almost puked on the PC screen

[CharmingLordSausage]

Yasmin is no moderate. I like Terry when he cited Thomas Paine. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend absolutely your right to say it. That is the essence of civilised Western society. Enlightenment values mean that in the West there is no topic that that should be considered free of rational and critical examination. Yasmin's behaviour indicates that she simply does not agree with such values. She holds a pre-enlightenment, pre- rational world view. She's modern only by exterior.

[scottishchap2008]

they keep calling gert wilders fascist and far right , hanging gays and forcing women to wear burkas sounds pretty fascist to me, that muslim women is the typical fascist "i dont like your opinion so ill bar your film"

[joefrench555]

where is yasmins ugly face when muslim nutters like anjem choudry spout nonsense? its funny how these leftys are only antifacists when the facists are white

[ARLO999]

YAB is a disgrace, an ignorant and racist excuse for a woman, and if anyone embodied the the saying ' biting the hand that feeds it' then it is this harridan, her glee at the attacks on America on Sept.11th defy belief, her obvious delight at the death and suffering of innocent people shows the utter depth of muslim attitude to non-muslims. Filthy, evil woman.

[yorkie6687]

@ARLO999 Seconded!

[Edam3000]

Terry Tw@t.

[QuartuvLarry]

Terry is ABSOLUTELY right. The rest are just appeasing pusses.

[FeignofCordor]

Since when did freedom of speech require any level of respect to be shown to that which the speech is critiquing ??? News to me as a Christian. I`ve spent my life seeing program after program trashing and mocking my religion. There was no need for respect to be shown there. But then Christians never burned down buildings and murdered in response to criticism. I as a Christian would rather live with mockery to my religion than see my right to free speech disappear. I can always turn over.

[QuartuvLarry]

@FeignofCordor Too true. And well said

[FeignofCordor]

@QuartuvLarry

Very kind mate thank you

[VideoKildDaRadioStar]

@FeignofCordor

onwards christian 'soldiers', christians terrorise in the name of thier religion too, maybe you are too young to have grown up during british colonisation of EIRE.

[FeignofCordor]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar

I was born in 1968 and was doing a tour of duty in Northern Ireland in 1990 my Regiment was the Royal Irish Rangers so you could say I know a bit about the troubles. I know of no side in them troubles that killed or bombed in the name of their religion . The trouble was over ownership of land and civil rights nothing to do with religion. So try again and do a better job this time.

[VideoKildDaRadioStar]

@FeignofCordor

I was referring to 3526 killed (over half of which were civillains) during 'The Troubles' between Protestant unionist and Catholic nationalist communities in Northern Ireland including the "defenders of the Catholic community" IRA.

[FeignofCordor]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar

No you never your point was that the Catholic and Protestants fought each other in the name of their religions and I said thats incorrect religion played no part in the troubles so don`t try and change your point.

[FeignofCordor]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar

Don`t even bother trying to explain how you managed to think that the comment I made had anything at all to do with your incorrect reply because if you do it shows you completely miss understood my point, Which has nothing to do with EIRE at all.

[VideoKildDaRadioStar]

@FeignofCordor

examples that Christianity is a violent religion include: "(the) crusades, the multiple blessings of wars, warrior popes, support for capital punishment, corporal punishment under the guise of 'spare the rod and spoil the child,' justifications of slavery, world-wide colonialism in the name of conversion to Christianity, the systemic violence of women subjected to men". (J. Denny Weaver)

[VideoKildDaRadioStar]

@FeignofCordor

examples that Christianity is a violent religion include: "(the) crusades, the multiple blessings of wars, warrior popes, support for capital punishment, corporal punishment under the guise of 'spare the rod and spoil the child,' justifications of slavery, world-wide colonialism in the name of conversion to Christianity, the systemic violence of women subjected to men". (J. Denny Weaver)

...ALL religions advocate violence including christianity.

[FeignofCordor]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar

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Your last point first all religions are not violent I don`t see any Buddhist thugs killing in the name of their religion nor Christians just muslims. I also would love to know how your false points have anything to do with my original comment."Blessings of wars,Warrior popes???" what are you talking about. Judge a religion on its teachings the Christian Gospels teach you to love your enemy and the qur`an teaches you to kill the unbeliever where you find them.

[FeignofCordor]

@FeignofCordor

2

Slavery? Where in the Christian Gospels does it justify slavery? Was it not a Christian who got Slavery abolished?How was the Cane in School a Christian invention pray tell? And no where does it teach Christians in my New Testament to mistreat women so who cares what some author wrote. Oh and for your information Hitler was a atheist and soi was Stalin look how many deaths they cause between them.

[FeignofCordor]

Check out the intolerant angry muslim......Speaks for itself. Is the growing awareness of the threat our rights are facing really down to islamiphobia? I know thats bollocks

[kynismos]

Not cartoons were not shown out of naked fear. This is very human. Most people are no heros or fools. Maybe it is easier to understand now for all these journalists why the German media became very respectful of Hitler after the Nazis took power.

[FeignofCordor]

@kynismos

You are correct with your analogy. Fear is all it takes.

[MrErisian]

Terry Christian off the Word smacks down a so called "intellectual". Gan on son! Manchester lad!

It's not about Israel or Jews. Why that Yasmin woman thinks it is I'll never know. It's not about Muslims either. It's about a point of principle. Freedom of speech.

Owned.

[VideoKildDaRadioStar]

@MrErisian

In this country nobody is free to speak against Isreal. Check out John Galliano's case.

[MrErisian]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar So, which country is that? France? you're talking about the fashion guy who got pissed up and threatened people in Paris? He "apologised unreservedly" as eyewitness accounts related a scene of drunken thuggery not, as you imply, a concise critique of Israeli foreign policy. Go on YouTube and look for the footage of him being a drunk cunt (unless it's been removed) and then try to argue with a straight face that he's a free speech martyr. Bollocks mate, and you know it.

[FeignofCordor]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar

Them anti Israel demos IN London and George Galloway on Talksport must be in my imagination then. People like you would put a end to free speech

[1878EFC2008]

@VideoKildDaRadioStar

there'e more anti israel articles in this country than anti cancer ones. what on earth are you talking about?

[OneBigRetard]

When Terry Christian kicks your arse you are in trouble. He is spot on here and his mob rule point is perfect.

[Lightf00t1]

Islam contributes nothing to society or the economy; it costs lives and money.

So why are they still here? Get rid of the ragheads = better country and less problems.

[Lightf00t1]

I hope that muslim twat gets cancer and dies. All muslims should be cleansed from this nation.

[moodini99]

Yasmin Alibhai-brown is a fucking idiot. Lets deport her, or farce Geert Wilders to stone her to death. What a bitch. She should fuck off back to whatever cess-pit she came from, the racist slut!

[whitewitch6969]

Doesn`t that woman ever shut up ?????

[brunster64]

Councillor Gareth Compton for Prime Minister.

[kenskio]

could someone please kill this horrid women go back to uganda you whore !!!

[Vdjperks]

stone her lol

[FreedomResistance]

Stupid muslim, go back. We don't need people like this in Europe.

[zeratul1987]

banning the movie caused it to be pushed into the media spot light which was retarded. Show the movie (which is pathetic by the way) and have faith that the public will use their common sense and say "this is dumb".

That woman on the right sure appreciates others rights to speech doesn't she? Its clear from her not letting anyone get in a word.

[ewanfowler]

I'm disappointed in Matthews reason for not showing the Danish cartoons; I always thought it was because he knew what the obvious consequences would be (threats to him, his producers, Channel 5...) rather than a weak and patronising submission to the opinion that hurt feelings are a justifiable reason for censorship.

[lausanne67]

The important truth is that freedom of speech/expression is simply not a concept that exists within the Islamic view of society. It certainly doesn't exist in their own countries. But what must be remembered is that the REAL villains are not so much the Muslims (they don't know any better after all) but rather the leftist-liberal Establishment, with its consensus political agreement about the virtues of multiculturalism, and the branding of any criticism of it as "racist".

[standupEFC]

She's an idiot.

[covnanny]

Disgraceful censorship of ideas and facts and the demonising of the messenger. The Left do not want the public to know the unpalatable truth.

[yorkie6687]

@covnanny Agreed Kinsman! This bitch needs deporting back to that shithole

Uganda!

[weespud212008]

why does it blur at the beginnn is it the opening title

[GoldRing09]

I believe in freedom of speech too, as long as it's rational and doesn't incite violence or hate, but I agree with Yasmin Brown. There are double standards and if there was a similar film attacking Judaism, it wouldn't be tolerated for a second. That's the only problem I have with it, the double standards.

BTW, I love watching heated and passionate debates. It just turns me on and make my nipples hard.

[Kbrt111]

@GoldRing09

there are thousands of movies made by Muslims how deprived is Judaism and Jewish people...No makers of those videos walking under threat of death...Elton John a month ago stated that Jesus was a homosexual..Elton is walking around freely..had he said the same about Mohamed --he would be hiding as Rushdie is..you dont see that double standard?

[GoldRing09]

@Kbrt111

That's very true, but Jesus Christ is usually associated Christianity. David Irving is behind bars today because he dared to question the holocaust and the actual numbers. Many people in top positions in power are afraid to challange the state of Israel for its crimes against the Palestinian people. Today it's fashionable to criticize Islam, but at the same time, it is unfashionable and very damaging for ones career to criticize Jews and zionism in the same way.

[Kbrt111]

@GoldRing09

David Irving was jailed for questioning H. in Austria.. It is important to Austria, to somehow in some way to correct its ugly Nazi past and be a descent nation again. To prosecute the falsification of H. is one of the acts of repetance for that nation. You can deny H. in USA or any other nation where H. did not take place.

[Kbrt111]

@GoldRing09

Israel's crimes against Arabs ? That is your view --not the fact ..and it can be very easily challenged...Fashionable to criticize Islam??? Nobody gives the shit about what is """in""" or ""out""..We have real demonstrations of the attack on the most fundamental values of our Western Societies that took blood and tears of our ancestors ....by people , who came here as immigrants , and now want to change our system to the backward totalitarian system of governance they had at home

[Kbrt111]

@GoldRing09

Home""--that they have left voluntarily and ""Home "" that stinks with lack of the most fundamental human rights. So this Yasmin ---is just another agent of that attack...

[Kbrt111]

@GoldRing09

and anti-Jewish bias coming in rivers from the Muslim world and Muslims in the West...and nobody of statue takes them seriously since they are idiotic lies ...easily debunked as such..they are not forbidden ..nobody wants to stoop to their level..except Muslim countries

[Kbrt111]

and Yasmin states that movie brings the point that Muslims do not belong in the West. Well, if Muslims believe that they have the right to burn books they do not like, threaten and kill people for the opinions those people express, burn embassies for cartoons --then, yes, Muslims do not belong in the West.

[43group]

Wilders film was rubbish and did not deserve the hype he got for it.Nothing in it was original he ripped of other youtube vids and pic from google and looked like he stuck them together in an hour on a wet boring sunday afternoon

[Kbrt111]

@43group

film was not original?? there were no actors , all clips were real and authentic , all disgusting statements and threats were made by Muslims ..and Quran supports those acts and words ...

[43group]

No it is not. wilders was sued 17 time for breach of copyright due to him stealing stuff.

Its not different from any other hate video you find on youtube made by racists.

[Kbrt111]

@43group

a hate video is when one group of people make the video about the other. .The group that produces the video comes out with all kind of lies falsifications and twisting of events and history about the targeted group .....Fitna ---only Muslims there , expressing themselves , yelling, thousands and thousands of them.. Only Quran is quoted.. We basically we see what Muslims are about in their own environment.. its not hate , its disclosure..

[43group]

Thats your opinion.

Now what about all the lawsuits against him?

Would you like to talk about that after you tell me he made the video all by himself with his own material?

[FirstTimeGH]

If you think Islam is rather harmless then please spare a few minutes for the shocking documentary "Islam: What the West needs to know"

[OohTheHorror]

when you cant come up with a good enough argument just bring up 'the jews'.

Oh and.... GO TEAM WILDERS!!!!!!

[secula4eva]

those 5% of muslims whatever who are radical?

& those who are,"moderate".

look...point 1. 5% is a lot of of people,(don t forget

they will do anything..inc murder) point 2. also i have a problem with what is "moderate", if they follow the rules of islam truthfully, they are not. in fact all the recent polls

concur with this, you see it time & time again

muslims instead of facing up to, what is totally unacceptable in our society, they apologise for it, (& so thus support it)

[finnsia]

expecting something*

[finnsia]

I see 3 idiots arguing

I was really something expecting better

[ijl66]

The truth hurts ladies, the truth hurts.

Well done Terry!

[secula4eva]

Hitler-Mein Kampf-Nazi 1.Extermination of non-aryan ethnic groups 2.Extermination of jews+homosexuals 3.Dictatorship of the aryan race over all other races 4.Installation of totalitariterian regime Mohammed-Quran-Islam 1.Extermination of so called"unbelievers",subjugatio­n of all other religions[dhimmitude] 2.Extermination of jews+homosexuals 3.Dictatorship of muslims over all & man over women/children (inc paedophillia?) 4.Installation of totalitariterian regime Yasmin get real.

[hejhog1961]

@martinkun167

The problem is that the truth about Islam from Islamists and Islamic sources would be exposed to those who before were ignorant of the truth of Islamic Ideology. Once evil is exposed to the bright light of truth it quickly dies.

Islamists like Yasmin Brown would fear the truth.

[secula4eva]

yasmin, can hardly er "VEIL" her anti israel agenda ..proves her assoc is not progressive at all, & tows the usual tired muslim hate/israel set up.

check out yasmin when the Mo-toons are mentioned...if looks could kill eh!

[irishxxkelt]

You oviously know no history and never have read the Koran and Hadiths. I have seen Muslims rioting in London at the Danish embassy and one fella dressed as suicide bomber ( he was out on bail) roaring "we will take your women". I have seen how women are treated in the Middle East. There are Muslim here in YouTube who are talking about the world wide caliphate. I have seen the beheading of a Somali who became a Christian. It was only a few minutes long but was removed.

[funkydreddUK]

@irishxxkelt & I've seen farmers rioting for the countryside alliance - your point? I've seen white guys shouting' 'There's no black in the Union Jack' & stating how they want to kill all black people - your point? I've seen Jews on Youtube calling muslims/ Arabs the most vile things & wishing them dead on Youtube. Does that mean all white and Jewish people are fucked up bigots? No, it all means there are quite a few twats in the world who shout louder than anyone else. Seems you're one of them

[irishxxkelt]

Well I have been threatened and I have been warned by an ex-Muslim and an Israeli that these fundamentalists would think nothing of coming to Ireland and killing me. Also the Gardaí (Irish police) have arrested Moroccan and Yemini )so-called) refugees for an planning the murder of the Swedish man who drew the cartoons of Moh. Let me know how you enjoy being a dhimmi.

[funkydreddUK]

oh..there's all the evidence there - an ex-muslim and and Israeli have warned you! Are you thick as fuck or something?

Because we all know there are no Irish (protestant or Catholic) who have ever been arrested for murdering or terrorism.

[irishxxkelt]

I beg your pardon. I live in Ireland and people have been imprisoned North and South of the border. It is still an offense Against Sction 30 OffencesAgainst the State Act to be a member of ANY subeversive organization.

[irishxxkelt]

And for further information, political terrorist and serious gangsters are imprisoned in the jail in Portlaoise, 50 miles from Dublin. It amazes me how ignorant some Brits can be about Ireland.

[funkydreddUK]

I was being sarcastic, idiot. And I don't need someone who supports the invasion of Iraq crying about muslims imposing anything on you, you fucking hypocrit.

[irishxxkelt]

Well I don't debate with a stupid mucky mouth. I bet the Shia and the Kurds that Saddam was caught charged and executed.

[NoGuff]

@AnimePhreak786 I think what you just wrote is "hate speech," so I have every right to throw you in jail. And while we're at it, let's just give you the proper label in prison of "Thought Criminal." Sound good to you?

[irishxxkelt]

I don't lie

[TruthKamanche]

Good points Terry. That Yasmin needs to stop playing the victim card.

[martinkun167]

Well, I think the host is missing the point....The reason why it's going to be shown in the House of Lords is so that its members would have a discussion over the issues presented in the video. The showing of the video is simply the introductory part of the procedure of the debate in the House. What is the problem? I don't understand.

[funkydreddUK]

For you idiots harping on about freedom of speech every five seconds without any thought - Christian was asked why do the House of Lords need to show this film when it is already freely available - but he failed to answer again. Instead just wanking on about freedom of speech.

[SecretlyGayBoy]

nice one, well put. lol at "wanking on about freedom of speech"

[FeignofCordor]

@funkydreddUK

You missed the point, They in the panel was arguing that he( Geert) shouldn`t be allowed because they don`t like his opinions nothing to do with availability and Terry was right do you see now?

[funkydreddUK]

@FeignofCordor Fuck off you BNP cunt.

[FeignofCordor]

@funkydreddUK

I`m not a cunt and where should I fuck off to exactly i`m in my country England so?

[NoGuff]

Brown, of course it's about radical Muslims, THAT'S THE TOPIC you cow.

And you don't want freedom of speech, it's so damned obvious.

This woman makes me sick. Same with that idiot Sawalha.

[funkydreddUK]

Yasmin spoke sense. Terry Christian just harped a load of meaningless soundbites.

He says 'Don't shout fire in a crowded theatre'. Well, that is exactly what the likes of Wilders is doing. His agenda is to incite, not to inform. So Mr Christian doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about.

[NoGuff]

1st, check out how Wright slips in that cheap description of Wilders as "right-wing." Now we know where the he's coming from.

2nd, Brown & her obvious dislike for Israel and her sympthy for radical Muslims is so obvious. I mean, I could very easily write something critical of Israel policy and not worry about the flack I get BECAUSE I HAVE FIRM CONVICTIONS that I don't run away from. Most Liberals cannot defend their beliefs. And she's one of them. She wants the State to defend them for her.

[secula4eva]

@ponyleg

man...get yourself an education

palestinians-canary in a WHAT???

i ll rephrase that, get yourself an education and a reality check....oh and de-indoctrinated :-)

[andreaandrewmilne]

OMGoddess, I thought YAB had principles and capacity for critical thinking.

Now I realise s/he is programmed by the Islamic Ideology. Instead of debating the argument that freedom of expression trumps your right not to be offended, s/he switches to the usual Islamic Apologist rant about not enough exposé of the "evils" of the Jewish Conspiracy. Of course, s/he says s/he discusses the problems of Islam all the time. Obviously not its paranoia and virulent hatred of free speech.

♥ andrea

[ponylegg]

many people are waking up to the fact that the jewish lobby have a powerful stranglehold over the government and the media. just look at mathew and terry speaking over them everytime there is a mention of the word israel or jewish. the palestinians are lke the canary in the mine.

[irishxxkelt]

Are you for real? The Jews never bombed a church or a German business. The Jews aren't planning to have a world-wide caliphate and have non Jews living as Dhimmis. The Jews are not planning to rape non-Jewish women. I could go on...............

[WinstonSmith46]

Well said Irish!

[cafeafuh]

Political Correctness has infected Democratic nations, and caused a delusional view of reality.

So much so that stating true facts is considered an act of extremism.

It's time to put an end to this madness before it's too late.

Geert Wilders is a hero for doing just that.

[secula4eva]

look at yasmin, she can hardly er "veil" :-) her anti-israel agenda, & then proceeds

to try & prevent christian speaking :-).

look.....its time to prevent this nonsensical babble

freedom of speech is paramount, much more important than this absurd, muslim

"special" :-D right, not to be offended.

note also, the minute the mo-toons are mentioned, check out yasmin, if looks could kill eh! :-). wheres anySKY/BBC live coverage of Wilders trial?, of the PressConf yday?? deliberately missed!

[MsGLULU]

SHOW what ever you want, people have the rights to speak and say wahtever they want ! Free speech !!!!!

The ladys that sopke first need to wake up ! Geeeweeese Jews DONT DECAPITAED ADN MEURDER OTHER proof is there. Show wantever you want about Jews JESUSCRHIST ! ISLAM IS AN IDEOLOGIE OF DOMINATION AND BARBARRIC BEHAVING That do not want to evoluate. Jews are making some evolution at least they eat porc, they even make FARMS with porc Jesuschrist !

NOT MUSLIM they are violent

[TheWidukind]

Freedom of speech requires tolerance, and like the example of the Danish cartoon reaction, Islam is not a tolerant religion.

That Yasmin woman needs to put heer dummy back in and learn the meaning of deomcracy.....

[CorporalNym]

Isam IS the problem. Read the Koran. How anyone can claim to be a moderate Muslim and believe the Koran was written by a God and adhere to it as a 'truth' given the horror it contains is deluded. The Koran is NOT moderate. Islam is NOT moderate. Islam assumes moral and civil superiority over non believers, It defends stoning, lashing, beheading and child abuse. How is that moderate? As long as this ludicrous manual for Islamic cultism is around there will ALWAYS  be problems in liberal society

[betover68]

that yasmin woman is a stupid apologist, and doesn't know what she's talking about, but at least we know now she's an anti semite

[DontBendOverForAllah]

Terry Christian - good man, exactly my thoughts about the non publication of those Cartoons

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (the one who opposed freedom of speech in the discussion) is founder of 'British Muslims for Secular Democracy' which by Yasmin's attitude is clearly another 'Stealth Jihad' group.

You are busted Yasmin.

[Nuron666]

Well said Terry.

I doubt Terry will be invited to this show in the near future.

[IceRich05]

Well said Terry well said!

[BorgHub]

that lady who spoke first is such an idiot and a liar.

she says she wouldn't be let into parliament if she speaks against israel. but there are many MPs who are very radical against israel and they are in the parliament (such as george galloway)

she also thinks there's democracy in Iran so that statement alone shows her ignorance

[IceRich05]

@BorgHub

Ross Kemp made an entire documentary on Israel and that was shown on Sky One for fuck sake, so I don't know what she is going on about.

[BorgHub]

indeed.

also these same radical muslims that she's defending are the ones who spew racial hatred toward jews, but she doesn't condemn them for hate speech. instead she condemns those who stand against them

[IceRich05]

@BorgHub

It is because we are infidels mate, well I for one am proud to be one.

[funkydreddUK]

She didn't defend radical muslims, idiot. Again, lying like an arse.

She condemns those extremists like most sensible people. Her argument is about people deliberately provoking and then using the example of those handful of extremists as representative of all muslims. Pretty much, bigoted cunts like you.

[finnsia]

"and then using the example of those handful of extremists as representative of all muslims"

that's not necessary since it's easy to find with or without the film

However, their culture could spread and that's the problem.

I really doubt Iraq is like Isreal in terms of culture

[funkydreddUK]

She never said there was democracy in Iran. And she said she wouldn't be allowed to enter Parliament with an ant-Jewish film.

Care to actually quote where she said there is democracy in Iran?

The only liar here is you.