history of Oghuz tribes,unfortunate they don't have writting language at Alexander's time.I think you have the ability to distinguish reliable history and ---------------------------------------------------
Sometimes legends are more reliable than writen history."Real history is history were not writen"
besides written history,there are only relics,language proof,genic proof are reliable.legends can show something,but the explanation is a kind of art.
Earlier Turks and Tibetans cultrally discriminated local people,but Ancint Uyghur-Oghuz people keep friendly relation with them.Modern Uyghur just the product of National intermarrigae between Ancient Uyghur-Oghuz from the north and Tat(Tarim people)from south.
Historians are very eager to get some informations about the early
history of Oghuz tribes,unfortunate they don't have writting language at Alexander's time.I think you have the ability to distinguish reliable history and legend and imagination.
Modern Uyghur just the product of National intermarrigae between Ancient Oghuz from the north and Tat(Tarim people)from south.
We China civiliziert, oldest state have we in China based which one really as state (with all govern us organs) call can. We were and are always civiliziert, all Turks. about 12/10 000 v. Chr established become. We TURKS controlled more frequently than every other nation us thousand for many years the world and created large civilizationen.
###GÖKLERDE DALGALANAN BIR SANCAK, TANRININ HUZURUNDA EGILIRIZ BIZ ANCAK!
one is nowaday Zhangye（张掖），the other is Jiuquan（酒泉）.-------------------------------------------
Ha ha ha! do you think me don't know Chinese geography?Look at the map,where is Zhangye,Where is Jiuquan, and where is our Dunhuang right?I just recogenized those places as Hen's territory even know Machao whom ruled those places that descents of Turko-Hunnic residence in those regions.Because Zhangye and Jiuquan are inside of great wall while our Dunhuang outside of it.
Dunhuang is Guazhou(瓜州),After Han beaten Xiongnu,they set Dunhuang county(敦煌郡) 111 AD,from than on Chinese Han is the main residents of this area,in Tang dynasty it is called Guoazhou(瓜州).After Tang this area is ruled by Chinse han local power Guiyi army(归义军) and Chaoshi(曹氏)，until they were beaten by Xixia(西夏)，even under Xixia's ruling,the main residents of this area is still Chinese Han.
They had been driven away to the west of Pamirs by Xiongnu at the time about 202 BC. Han took this area from Xiongnu , how could you shamelessly say "your Dunhuang".
So,The same feelings i felt.Why we argue soo much instead of accept what belong to ourselves and respecting each others point of view to our homelands?
Aren't you have enough lands inside of Great wall?
Uyghurs and Hens are now one union.If you lie that Northern Uyghur region is land of Mongols or Khazakhs,those lands legally should belong to Mongolya or Khazakhistan.Don't you understand such simple knowledge?
11th century,relation between local inhabitians and inhabited ancient Uyghurs with nomad Oghuz tribes were broken,mongolian and Khitan nomades become powerful,so On-Oghuz tribes can't maintain Jungghar basin and Altay mountain,so they immigrated to west.
Modern Azerbejans and Turks are partly from those On-Oghuz tribes.
Murderous mongol tribe of Qinggizhan burned every city killed every citizen whenever he can.He erased many prosperous Uyghur cities include Farab, Otrar, Almalikh,Marvee from the map forever!Then they immigrated to this area.Uyghur fable "Qintomur And Mehtumsulah" came out of that.
Here we can see what Mahmud Khashgeri wrote about Uyghur. " When army of Alexander The Great came to central Asia,Alexander sent one group of pioneer army to the borders of Uyghur ,so The King of Turk sent local youth army,they meet in the mountain called Altuntaq, Alexanders army set up defensive position upside of mountain,Uyghurs attacked and win.After the war Alexander and King Of Turk make peace,together they build five city,......................."
Modern Uyghurs in Turpan And Hami is just descents of Ancient people of Uyghur lived in north while southerens are mostly descents of lacal Indo-European speaking.Toghether,all of us are accepted the name Uyghur even know Form-up of modern Uyghur ethnology was 7 century earlier.
He very clearly indicated those five cities location.One is located west of Urumqi,one is Turpan,one is Kharashare,one is Hami,other one's location is unclear.Altuntaq(gold mountain) is altai(gold) mountain. it is clear that ancient Uyghurs teritory were even west to Altai mountain.
Ancient Uyghur-Oghuz people were aboriginals to the north or modern Uyghur region event at the Alexander The Great's time.
Now I think you'd better cherish your energy and time, Yourself know these is true or not.I read serious study results on central asia history and nation history by russians and Europeans,
I don't think you need me to point out the flaws of the above words.Alexander's pioneer army fight with King of Turk,er...
Name kengsu found in Turko-Runnic litratures(6th century AD to 842AD) found in modern Mongol country.They named it sevral time,but Name Gensu never existed as before as that in chinese vocabulary.
before Mongols Sara Uyghurs(Yellow headed Uyghurs)lived in those places and built independent Shiju(Sajie) Uyghur kingdom.(I mean the places out of Great wall),before them,there was home for various Turkik tribes.Even before them,there were ancestors of modern Mongols,before them there were some indo-european speaking people inhabited.
Gansu is the shortened name of two ancient Chinese states Gan zhou(Gan state 甘州) and su zhou（Su state 肃州），---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Su state were not there,and both of them did not include Dunhuang.isen't it?So your words are empty and null.Before Ming dynasty about 600 years ago,Mongols lived in those places.
He also said one quotation were trend to that age,meaning is "Turk can't be powerful without Tat,the same as Tat".Even know earlier Turks raped,killed local people when it was nessisary,but Ancient Uyghur Turks were only civilized Turks that how to rule well.
You'd better not start the slave this slave that rubbish.I am not fond this kind of underbred mouth fight.Don not ask for insult. ----------------------
Do not feel insult my lier friend!
By the way,that words were not my invansion,i learned it through other threads in youtube.
I am not asking for insult,but your words just going to cause it.If some branch of Chinese ancestory ruled Uyghur's ancesetory,like the same, Tang dynasty was protectorate to Ancient Uyghurs whom are one out of tewenty four main tribe that formed modern Uyghurs,That's only history,It's soo normal phenomena for nations to rule over one another in history,and it won't be reason for your thoughts that one nation should live under the rule of other nation forever.
Just take a look at the genetic divercity of Northern and Uyghurs in Tarim(more Aryan blood).
Uyghurs are very conservative with intermarriage even with each other,so even one hundered year was not long enough to make such divercity.Formeau talked about Kengsu.Kengsu is just popular name for Uyghurs and there are still Uyghurs cultral hertages in Dunhuang caves.What do you think about it?Isn't that region more closer than Great Wall than Tarim?
lol ,Dunhuang, it is a town on the international silk road,rilics of all nations that have traveled along this road can be found in Dunhuang,not only materials of Chinese and Huihu but also in Tibetan ,persian,indian and other center asian countries.What can these indicate??Have some logic.
And stop blethering about Gansu, Gansu is the shortened name of two ancient Chinese states Gan zhou(Gan state 甘州) and su zhou（Su state 肃州），one is nowaday Zhangye（张掖），the other is Jiuquan（酒泉）.
You've even erased the name Turkistan Republic from Uyghurs and your history books and almost no hen youth knows it.Wasn't it the way your ancestors to wrote both of your and others history?
You were slaves for Manchurians untill 1911.Before them,Slave to Mongolians,Kidans,and even Tang dynasty you call proud of was protectorat to Uyghur Empire.If Tang ruled Tarim,Tang belong to Uyghur Empire,so Name Uyghur is appropriate to this region better than Tang.
I know the wingding happened in 1933 and 1944, the former is arrangeed by English and last 24 day ,only hundreds ppl participated,what can this change.
You'd better not start the slave this slave that rubbish.I am not fond this kind of underbred mouth fight.Don not ask for insult.
This is a wrong name made by CCp. Uyghur live only in southen Xinjiang,in northen Xinjiang other nations lives. ---------------------------------------------
Turkistan Republic was build in Northern Uyghur region 1944 and funders are Uyghurs,74 percent soldiers of Republic's army was Uyghur.
The meaning of Xinjiang is returned native land-------
I was not born yesterday!Don't i understand Chinese?I was educated in Mandarin to college degree!Xinjang Just means New Frontier or New Land.Not only the Uyghurs but also many other people from foreign nations Understand Mandarin.Your words can only show that you are a lier!
There were about hunderd thousand population in Gulja(there were less than one milion city population in Uyghur region)
And 90 per cent was Uyghurs in 1950.Only several chinese businessman was there in Gulja 1950.Now chinese migrants are about 150 thousand in Gulja.I think you should go and see a doctor first.If doctor
1949,there are no large number of Uyghurs out of Tarim area. ---------------------------------------
Incense!There was no considerable Uyghurs out of Tarim
Area because gov did not allowed Uyghurs from villege to villege,how could it possible to move large number from south to north?Your words are just void and null!
My father is from Gulja(Yinning in chinese)were located in north Eastern Uyghur region.
But it is sure to say that this country is our land. Whatever it cals,whom have ever occupied,it does not matter.I think whatever modern Uyghurs/Tarim people deside to call themselves,this country should called like that.
You know what is the meaning of name Xinjiang and named after Conquest of Zuozongtang whom was the general of Manchuria.I think gov should reconsider the name and just simply call this land as Uyghur autonomous region.
nosense,many nationslived in Xinjiang with long history except Uyghurs,this land belongs to all the people of China,not only Uyghurs.The meaning of Xinjiang is returned native land,after han tang's governing over Tarim,this is the third time this former China territory return to China.Our ancestor living and now we will live on it too.
This is a wrong name made by CCp. Uyghur live only in southen Xinjiang,in northen Xinjiang other nations lives. before 1949,there are no large number of Uyghurs out of Tarim area.
It is not invented by Russians.Turkistan were indicated to all Turkik speaking lands in history.If you ever read historical records of Middle-Eastern or Central Asian historians in middle age,all of them used it.
If R1a is also from Ancient Aryans not Turks,then We can only accept the fact that we are just assimilated residence.Because i belive Truth.But i can't help many of Uyghurs because they are brain washed by Turks before others.
You can't help,people of the whole country,and other nations living in xinjiang must help.How could the ridiculous russian invented geography word east-turkistan be a political word.
Don't lie!This lirics do nothing to do with Turky but they are cultural heritage of modrn Uyghurs and those notes can not recorded as Chinese(you know Chinese indicates Hen),because you never had knowledge of systimatic musical record.But we do had it from Farabi(whom lived 10th century AD),and recorder of Muqam is an Uyghur queen called Amannesa whom wrote it in Uyghur.
You do not even know what lirics I refer to.I mean those moterials stolen by Stein from Yutian,they were written in local indo-european language and Chinese in 8th century, How could these lirics have anything to do with turki and islam.
Hmm...Stein.One point of your words are exactly right.
Muqam is just a cultral hertage that we survived through long period of cultral and religioustic surpress from reglious islam.
I think the original lirics of Muqam are invented long before Turkik expension or islam.
Ancient Turks invaded,yes.Reped,yes.But they integred the Eleven group of people in Tarim and around Tienshen(Tengri is the original name) Mountain that very close in culture and race.That's what modern Uyghurs came from.
but the turk's action is not "Adopte", but forced destroy of local culture.
Yes,possibly they did.But,do you know what's going on in Uyghur region recently?Gov ordered Uyghur schools to teach only in Hen from elimentary schools.
Where did those 14% Uyghurs with O3 Y-chromosome come from.
Probably from Ancient Uyghurs and other Turkik tribes came from Mongolia.Modern Khirghiz about 35 percent O3(probably not from Hens)and about 40 percent R1a. Ancent Uyghurs and other Turkik(Oghuz)tribes have same origion with them.Percentage of R1a and O(42:35 Khirghiz Via 18:14 Uyghurs)shows the fact that it is Turkik O3(Turks and Chiese said to be from one origion before Those two nation come out),not Hen.
................... that is realy a mess.---------------------------------------------
That's true.But most of nations are just like the same,include Turkish and Hens themselves.But we still partly have Indo-European Vacabulary(40 Percent Turkik,40 percent Indo-European,20 percent Semitic or other),Partly Turkik blood(about 20 percent J, considerable R1a,and partly O3 and C possibly),Partly Aryan culture(musical instruments,dances,some customs).
We are descenden't to Ancient Turks as our language we speak,and mostly of us are descents to ancient Aryans lived in this region as our bloodline and culture.Turks never been Chinese and whole world knows ancient Tarim Aryans have more ancient culture than Chinese.
That is funny, where is the culture of ancient indo-european residents now,they use Aryan but Uyghur use Turkish,they believe in Buddhism but Uyghur now are muslims,the invade of turk and islam destroyed the core culture of ancient Aryan in southen Xinjiang.People have to learn the lives and culture of ancient residents through cultural relic.Yes turks never been Chinse,they are comer after indo-european residents and Chinese Han,they are destroyers of local aryan culture and Han culture.
That Vidio Clip you seen about are just not Turkish culture but Aryan culture.Uyghur never used Turkish, We have 40 percent vocabulary that still are Indo-European.And as from Kashgeris and Artuxs,I have at least 50 percent Aryan blood,do you have any?
Do you have archeological proof that there were any chinese culture?
You should know that Truth is based on facts not rely on propaganda.
if is aryan,you lost they language and culture;if is turk,you habe weak blood relationship, that is realy a mess. archeological proof that there were any chinese culture
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I wonder if you have any basic knowledge,there so many relics writting in Chinse in southen Xinjiang such as Yutian(于阗)
many relics writting in Chinse in southen Xinjiang such as Yutian(于阗)..................................
Cultural exchange is what makes the nations goes forth.Uyghurs(Tarim people exactly)were never been culturally conservative untill Adopted islam.And you should know they accepted it through Converted Mongol descents as well as Turkik and Middle-Eastern Islamic Jihadans.
Those relics writting in Chinese have nothing to do with Turki and Islamic,they are the official records materials of Tarim towns written in Chinese.Indo-European language and Chinese are the only languages used simultaneously in Tarim area long before turki and islamic invade this area.
Only Old writtens in Uyhghur language are found in Eastern Turkistan or Uyghuristan. A lot of historical books written in old Uyghur written are Also found in Kengsu ( Gan su in Chinese). You can still see the Uyghur influence in the faces of some Hanchinese poele living in Keng su( gansu)now. Keng su means land with a lot of water, Gansu means nothing in Chinese.
Some Uyghur terrorists trained by al-Qaeda group in Afghanistan and chechen run into China Xinjiang,they kidnap, kill innocent ppl,use exploders to threaten public security.That is Khoghen's fight for freedom.
Ha ha!You showed your true nature.If you can't win anyone with your converciation,you win the way accuse and insult them?Even the terrorists killed only dozens of people but there are thousands of students killed in Tiananmen.Are you baby ears of gov?
The Y-chromosome of modern Uyghur including 10% J ,18% R1a(aboriginal indo-european residents),14% O3(ancient Chinese Han residents in Xinjiang),it is ridiculous for uyghurs to say turks are their ancestor.
The material you gotten is just a quiz from northern Uyghurs and Eastern Uyghurs that contain only one quarter of Uyghur population.Genetic reserch must be based on the results of southern Uyghurs.Bloodline distribution of Kashger and Artux Uyghurs in central asia shows that they have more than 40 percent,nearly 50 percent R1b.
That means southernUyghurs are not the descents of turks a fortiori.they just have been invade and ruled by turks and their former culture have been destroyed by turks.
If chinese came here even before the birth of Christ,then why there are no any Hen-Chinese family that can't trace back thier emigration history more than one hundered year?
The 3000,till 5000 years old mummies unearthed from Eastern Turkistan looked more like Uyghurs then HanChinese, or do u think Uyghurs must have covered it under the earth for fun?
I never saied my ancestors ever called themselves Uyghur untill 20th century.We simply aknowledged this name to adress ourselves from 20th century.Before that
we simply called ourselves Turkik and still call each other(at least my family members)Sakam whichmeans "my Saka". Uyghur was just one tribe formed modern Uyghurs.
Huihu immigrated into here from mongolia 840 AD,yes.Chinese immigrated here from 1950 from inside of Great Wall.And all of us now are called Chinese. According to your logical principles,should i belive that i am Chinese and my ancestors are immigrated from Great Wall 57 years ago?
thunderboy23.I reccomand you to study history first,Or else be carefull when you speak.hHave you forgot the fact that we had national gov and army before Libration army intered Uyghur region?Do you think Libration army "librated" there by themselves?We sheeded blood for our freedom but ""Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" is soo cheep for the prize.
you freedom of what?Chinese Han lived in Xinjiang since 119 BC,while uyghurs ansestors Huihu(回鹘) immigrated into Xinjiang from mongolia high land after 840 AD.How dare you call Xinjiang the eastturkistan
thunderboy23.I reccomand you to study history first,Or else be carefull when you speak.have you forgot the fact that we had national gov and army before Libration army intered Uyghur region?Do you think Libration army "librated" there by themselves?We sheeded blood for our freedom but ""Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" is soo cheep for the prize.
thunderboy23.I reccomand you to study history first,Or else be carefull when you speak.have you forgot the fact that we had national gov and army before Libration army intered Uyghur region?Do you think Libration army "librated" there themselves?We sheeded blood for our freedom but ""Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" is so cheep for the prize.
huanianyi.I am just an Uyghur living in Uyghur region and,therfore,witnesed of all the facts what fromeu said above.I reccomand yourself to 'travel to Xinjing and ask some local Uyghur citizens to see any of your words is true.'
China has done a great job for preserving uygur culture and arts. Look at Central Asia, they all became Russian wannables. 60% people in Kazakhstan can't even speak Kazakh properly
Then why Chinese gov is turning all the Uyghur schools into Chinese? Why Uyghus are discriminated against in their own homeland?Why Chiense gov is sening uneducated Chinese migarants into Uyghurs' homeland? Why they are traficing Uyghur girls into China deliberitely? It is Uyghurs who have been paying so much secrifice in order to keep the civilisation and culre from the Chinese. The west will start the doing the same soon.
You do not know reality but repeat those fake propagandizes against China. You can travel to Xinjing and ask some local Uyghur citizens to see any of your words is true.
huanianyi.I am just an Uyghur living in Uyghur region and,therfore,witnesed of all the facts what fromeu said above.I reccomand yourself to 'travel to Xinjing and ask some local Uyghur citizens to see any of your words is true.'
Uyghur children can choose Uyghur schools without any other nation's children in Xinjiang,that is the trueth.
Uyghus are give better treatment than the Han people both in job and education, to enroll a same university in china,the Han children have to get even a hundred marks high than the Uyghus children,who is discriminated in their homeland?
Anybody can immigrant in their own country ,this is the basic right.
Khoghen, I have a Uyghur from kashgar ,he is honest,not like you.
All my words are true.Have you ever come to This region?So you don't have right to tell whether my words are true.You never come to this region,right?
Why this word threatens you so much?Aren't you Anti-terrorist?
You should know i am an Scientologist first,Then post your comment on me.Before someone have to be killed, they must be accused as Terrorist first,isn't it?
Kazaks were occupied by Russia for 120 years. Uyghurs have been occupied by China only for 55 years. Plus Uyghurs have a strong, fixed, compete culture which is beter the the Chinese ones. That is why it is not easy to destroy Uyghur culture. But China is using her best to destroy it.
55 years? How did you get it? 1955, as many local uygur requested, CCP renamed manchu word "Xinjiang Province" to "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" (a.k.a uygur region) But instead of "thank you", you people are now blaming Chinese Communists Party for everything. How ironic...
no. they are uyghurs
mirkamil 2 years ago
The dancers seem to be Tajiks
IrandoWu 2 years ago
Je suis moi aussi Ouïgour du côté de mon père ^^
alansharif 2 years ago
seieu moi ossi ta kel age
sousou9457 3 years ago
c trop bien mirkamil tu est ouigour?
sousou9457 3 years ago
ouiiiiiii
mirkamil 3 years ago
Well.Let us end our converciation then.
I am glad to meet you.Thank you for your intrist on Uyghur culture and history.
I think both of us should take more careful study on each other's history.
Khoghen 4 years ago
history of Oghuz tribes,unfortunate they don't have writting language at Alexander's time.I think you have the ability to distinguish reliable history and ---------------------------------------------------
Sometimes legends are more reliable than writen history."Real history is history were not writen"
Khoghen 4 years ago
besides written history,there are only relics,language proof,genic proof are reliable.legends can show something,but the explanation is a kind of art.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Earlier Turks and Tibetans cultrally discriminated local people,but Ancint Uyghur-Oghuz people keep friendly relation with them.Modern Uyghur just the product of National intermarrigae between Ancient Uyghur-Oghuz from the north and Tat(Tarim people)from south.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Historians are very eager to get some informations about the early
history of Oghuz tribes,unfortunate they don't have writting language at Alexander's time.I think you have the ability to distinguish reliable history and legend and imagination.
Modern Uyghur just the product of National intermarrigae between Ancient Oghuz from the north and Tat(Tarim people)from south.
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yes,this is true ,happened after 840 BC
huanianyi 4 years ago
sorry,840 AD
huanianyi 4 years ago
All Türks Proud to be Türk.
We China civiliziert, oldest state have we in China based which one really as state (with all govern us organs) call can. We were and are always civiliziert, all Turks. about 12/10 000 v. Chr established become. We TURKS controlled more frequently than every other nation us thousand for many years the world and created large civilizationen.
###GÖKLERDE DALGALANAN BIR SANCAK, TANRININ HUZURUNDA EGILIRIZ BIZ ANCAK!
mgekkom 4 years ago
Here,i felt obliged to inform you a little other than Chinese history books.
Khoghen 4 years ago
one is nowaday Zhangye（张掖），the other is Jiuquan（酒泉）.-------------------------------------------
Ha ha ha! do you think me don't know Chinese geography?Look at the map,where is Zhangye,Where is Jiuquan, and where is our Dunhuang right?I just recogenized those places as Hen's territory even know Machao whom ruled those places that descents of Turko-Hunnic residence in those regions.Because Zhangye and Jiuquan are inside of great wall while our Dunhuang outside of it.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Dunhuang is Guazhou(瓜州),After Han beaten Xiongnu,they set Dunhuang county(敦煌郡) 111 AD,from than on Chinese Han is the main residents of this area,in Tang dynasty it is called Guoazhou(瓜州).After Tang this area is ruled by Chinse han local power Guiyi army(归义军) and Chaoshi(曹氏)，until they were beaten by Xixia(西夏)，even under Xixia's ruling,the main residents of this area is still Chinese Han.
huanianyi 4 years ago
indo-european speaking people
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They had been driven away to the west of Pamirs by Xiongnu at the time about 202 BC. Han took this area from Xiongnu , how could you shamelessly say "your Dunhuang".
huanianyi 4 years ago
So,The same feelings i felt.Why we argue soo much instead of accept what belong to ourselves and respecting each others point of view to our homelands?
Aren't you have enough lands inside of Great wall?
Uyghurs and Hens are now one union.If you lie that Northern Uyghur region is land of Mongols or Khazakhs,those lands legally should belong to Mongolya or Khazakhistan.Don't you understand such simple knowledge?
Khoghen 4 years ago
Northen Xinjiang is not belong to Khazakhistan,Khazakhs nowaday were immigranted after Jungger Mongolian was perished, it is belong to China.
huanianyi 4 years ago
11th century,relation between local inhabitians and inhabited ancient Uyghurs with nomad Oghuz tribes were broken,mongolian and Khitan nomades become powerful,so On-Oghuz tribes can't maintain Jungghar basin and Altay mountain,so they immigrated to west.
Modern Azerbejans and Turks are partly from those On-Oghuz tribes.
Kidans
Khoghen 4 years ago
Murderous mongol tribe of Qinggizhan burned every city killed every citizen whenever he can.He erased many prosperous Uyghur cities include Farab, Otrar, Almalikh,Marvee from the map forever!Then they immigrated to this area.Uyghur fable "Qintomur And Mehtumsulah" came out of that.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Here we can see what Mahmud Khashgeri wrote about Uyghur. " When army of Alexander The Great came to central Asia,Alexander sent one group of pioneer army to the borders of Uyghur ,so The King of Turk sent local youth army,they meet in the mountain called Altuntaq, Alexanders army set up defensive position upside of mountain,Uyghurs attacked and win.After the war Alexander and King Of Turk make peace,together they build five city,......................."
Khoghen 4 years ago
Modern Uyghurs in Turpan And Hami is just descents of Ancient people of Uyghur lived in north while southerens are mostly descents of lacal Indo-European speaking.Toghether,all of us are accepted the name Uyghur even know Form-up of modern Uyghur ethnology was 7 century earlier.
Khoghen 4 years ago
He very clearly indicated those five cities location.One is located west of Urumqi,one is Turpan,one is Kharashare,one is Hami,other one's location is unclear.Altuntaq(gold mountain) is altai(gold) mountain. it is clear that ancient Uyghurs teritory were even west to Altai mountain.
Ancient Uyghur-Oghuz people were aboriginals to the north or modern Uyghur region event at the Alexander The Great's time.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Now I think you'd better cherish your energy and time, Yourself know these is true or not.I read serious study results on central asia history and nation history by russians and Europeans,
I don't think you need me to point out the flaws of the above words.Alexander's pioneer army fight with King of Turk,er...
huanianyi 4 years ago
Name kengsu found in Turko-Runnic litratures(6th century AD to 842AD) found in modern Mongol country.They named it sevral time,but Name Gensu never existed as before as that in chinese vocabulary.
Khoghen 4 years ago
before Mongols Sara Uyghurs(Yellow headed Uyghurs)lived in those places and built independent Shiju(Sajie) Uyghur kingdom.(I mean the places out of Great wall),before them,there was home for various Turkik tribes.Even before them,there were ancestors of modern Mongols,before them there were some indo-european speaking people inhabited.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Gansu is the shortened name of two ancient Chinese states Gan zhou(Gan state 甘州) and su zhou（Su state 肃州），---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Su state were not there,and both of them did not include Dunhuang.isen't it?So your words are empty and null.Before Ming dynasty about 600 years ago,Mongols lived in those places.
Khoghen 4 years ago
They simply says Han dynasty were fromed by ansestors of Koreans.
You said Tarim ruled by Han and Tang dynasty while Han dynasty is Koreans and Tang dynasty is protectorate to Orhun Uyghur Empire.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Every thing is written in Chinese history book,do you think I need you to tell me what it is?
huanianyi 4 years ago
Every thing is written in Chinese history book,do you think I need you to tell me what it is?--------------
Declear these words to the whole world,and see what they think about your comments.
Khoghen 4 years ago
He also said one quotation were trend to that age,meaning is "Turk can't be powerful without Tat,the same as Tat".Even know earlier Turks raped,killed local people when it was nessisary,but Ancient Uyghur Turks were only civilized Turks that how to rule well.
Khoghen 4 years ago
You'd better not start the slave this slave that rubbish.I am not fond this kind of underbred mouth fight.Don not ask for insult. ----------------------
Do not feel insult my lier friend!
By the way,that words were not my invansion,i learned it through other threads in youtube.
Just take a look at what Koreans view about you.
link is
v=7krYc9dg4aY#tUZ2StS96hM
Khoghen 4 years ago
Weak nation's spirit wanking worth to disprove?
You can read history,I think you know the truth,this kind rubbish you can find some other guy to discuss.
huanianyi 4 years ago
I am not asking for insult,but your words just going to cause it.If some branch of Chinese ancestory ruled Uyghur's ancesetory,like the same, Tang dynasty was protectorate to Ancient Uyghurs whom are one out of tewenty four main tribe that formed modern Uyghurs,That's only history,It's soo normal phenomena for nations to rule over one another in history,and it won't be reason for your thoughts that one nation should live under the rule of other nation forever.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Just take a look at the genetic divercity of Northern and Uyghurs in Tarim(more Aryan blood).
Uyghurs are very conservative with intermarriage even with each other,so even one hundered year was not long enough to make such divercity.Formeau talked about Kengsu.Kengsu is just popular name for Uyghurs and there are still Uyghurs cultral hertages in Dunhuang caves.What do you think about it?Isn't that region more closer than Great Wall than Tarim?
Khoghen 4 years ago
lol ,Dunhuang, it is a town on the international silk road,rilics of all nations that have traveled along this road can be found in Dunhuang,not only materials of Chinese and Huihu but also in Tibetan ,persian,indian and other center asian countries.What can these indicate??Have some logic.
huanianyi 4 years ago
And stop blethering about Gansu, Gansu is the shortened name of two ancient Chinese states Gan zhou(Gan state 甘州) and su zhou（Su state 肃州），one is nowaday Zhangye（张掖），the other is Jiuquan（酒泉）.
huanianyi 4 years ago
You've even erased the name Turkistan Republic from Uyghurs and your history books and almost no hen youth knows it.Wasn't it the way your ancestors to wrote both of your and others history?
You were slaves for Manchurians untill 1911.Before them,Slave to Mongolians,Kidans,and even Tang dynasty you call proud of was protectorat to Uyghur Empire.If Tang ruled Tarim,Tang belong to Uyghur Empire,so Name Uyghur is appropriate to this region better than Tang.
Khoghen 4 years ago
I know the wingding happened in 1933 and 1944, the former is arrangeed by English and last 24 day ,only hundreds ppl participated,what can this change.
You'd better not start the slave this slave that rubbish.I am not fond this kind of underbred mouth fight.Don not ask for insult.
huanianyi 4 years ago
I am not fond this kind of underbred mouth fight.-------------------------------------------------------
If you don't like mothfight,then fight real.Fight Taiwan,Fight outer Xinganling and return those lands back.Then you praised by government.
Khoghen 4 years ago
This is a wrong name made by CCp. Uyghur live only in southen Xinjiang,in northen Xinjiang other nations lives. ---------------------------------------------
Turkistan Republic was build in Northern Uyghur region 1944 and funders are Uyghurs,74 percent soldiers of Republic's army was Uyghur.
Khoghen 4 years ago
The meaning of Xinjiang is returned native land-------
I was not born yesterday!Don't i understand Chinese?I was educated in Mandarin to college degree!Xinjang Just means New Frontier or New Land.Not only the Uyghurs but also many other people from foreign nations Understand Mandarin.Your words can only show that you are a lier!
Khoghen 4 years ago
Xinjang 故土新归
huanianyi 4 years ago
There were about hunderd thousand population in Gulja(there were less than one milion city population in Uyghur region)
And 90 per cent was Uyghurs in 1950.Only several chinese businessman was there in Gulja 1950.Now chinese migrants are about 150 thousand in Gulja.I think you should go and see a doctor first.If doctor
says you are OK,then you are a lier!
Khoghen 4 years ago
I think it is very clear to you before Jungger Mongolian was perish by Qing goverment army,there no Uyghurs in northen Xinjiang.
huanianyi 4 years ago
1949,there are no large number of Uyghurs out of Tarim area. ---------------------------------------
Incense!There was no considerable Uyghurs out of Tarim
Area because gov did not allowed Uyghurs from villege to villege,how could it possible to move large number from south to north?Your words are just void and null!
My father is from Gulja(Yinning in chinese)were located in north Eastern Uyghur region.
Khoghen 4 years ago
But it is sure to say that this country is our land. Whatever it cals,whom have ever occupied,it does not matter.I think whatever modern Uyghurs/Tarim people deside to call themselves,this country should called like that.
You know what is the meaning of name Xinjiang and named after Conquest of Zuozongtang whom was the general of Manchuria.I think gov should reconsider the name and just simply call this land as Uyghur autonomous region.
Khoghen 4 years ago
nosense,many nationslived in Xinjiang with long history except Uyghurs,this land belongs to all the people of China,not only Uyghurs.The meaning of Xinjiang is returned native land,after han tang's governing over Tarim,this is the third time this former China territory return to China.Our ancestor living and now we will live on it too.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Uyghur autonomous region
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This is a wrong name made by CCp. Uyghur live only in southen Xinjiang,in northen Xinjiang other nations lives. before 1949,there are no large number of Uyghurs out of Tarim area.
huanianyi 4 years ago
It is not invented by Russians.Turkistan were indicated to all Turkik speaking lands in history.If you ever read historical records of Middle-Eastern or Central Asian historians in middle age,all of them used it.
Khoghen 4 years ago
If R1a is also from Ancient Aryans not Turks,then We can only accept the fact that we are just assimilated residence.Because i belive Truth.But i can't help many of Uyghurs because they are brain washed by Turks before others.
Khoghen 4 years ago
You can't help,people of the whole country,and other nations living in xinjiang must help.How could the ridiculous russian invented geography word east-turkistan be a political word.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Don't lie!This lirics do nothing to do with Turky but they are cultural heritage of modrn Uyghurs and those notes can not recorded as Chinese(you know Chinese indicates Hen),because you never had knowledge of systimatic musical record.But we do had it from Farabi(whom lived 10th century AD),and recorder of Muqam is an Uyghur queen called Amannesa whom wrote it in Uyghur.
Khoghen 4 years ago
You do not even know what lirics I refer to.I mean those moterials stolen by Stein from Yutian,they were written in local indo-european language and Chinese in 8th century, How could these lirics have anything to do with turki and islam.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Hmm...Stein.One point of your words are exactly right.
Muqam is just a cultral hertage that we survived through long period of cultral and religioustic surpress from reglious islam.
I think the original lirics of Muqam are invented long before Turkik expension or islam.
Ancient Turks invaded,yes.Reped,yes.But they integred the Eleven group of people in Tarim and around Tienshen(Tengri is the original name) Mountain that very close in culture and race.That's what modern Uyghurs came from.
Khoghen 4 years ago
but the turk's action is not "Adopte", but forced destroy of local culture.
Yes,possibly they did.But,do you know what's going on in Uyghur region recently?Gov ordered Uyghur schools to teach only in Hen from elimentary schools.
Khoghen 4 years ago
It is not true,I go to Xinjiang very often,I know the education situation, Uyghur schools are still teaching Uyghur.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Where did those 14% Uyghurs with O3 Y-chromosome come from.
Probably from Ancient Uyghurs and other Turkik tribes came from Mongolia.Modern Khirghiz about 35 percent O3(probably not from Hens)and about 40 percent R1a. Ancent Uyghurs and other Turkik(Oghuz)tribes have same origion with them.Percentage of R1a and O(42:35 Khirghiz Via 18:14 Uyghurs)shows the fact that it is Turkik O3(Turks and Chiese said to be from one origion before Those two nation come out),not Hen.
Khoghen 4 years ago
I can't see any solid proof of the O3 totally come turk tribe.
huanianyi 4 years ago
................... that is realy a mess.---------------------------------------------
That's true.But most of nations are just like the same,include Turkish and Hens themselves.But we still partly have Indo-European Vacabulary(40 Percent Turkik,40 percent Indo-European,20 percent Semitic or other),Partly Turkik blood(about 20 percent J, considerable R1a,and partly O3 and C possibly),Partly Aryan culture(musical instruments,dances,some customs).
Khoghen 4 years ago
So don't say the ancestors of Tarim people are Turk,that is disgusting, How could they regard their former rapers as their ancestors.
huanianyi 4 years ago
We are descenden't to Ancient Turks as our language we speak,and mostly of us are descents to ancient Aryans lived in this region as our bloodline and culture.Turks never been Chinese and whole world knows ancient Tarim Aryans have more ancient culture than Chinese.
Khoghen 4 years ago
That is funny, where is the culture of ancient indo-european residents now,they use Aryan but Uyghur use Turkish,they believe in Buddhism but Uyghur now are muslims,the invade of turk and islam destroyed the core culture of ancient Aryan in southen Xinjiang.People have to learn the lives and culture of ancient residents through cultural relic.Yes turks never been Chinse,they are comer after indo-european residents and Chinese Han,they are destroyers of local aryan culture and Han culture.
huanianyi 4 years ago
That Vidio Clip you seen about are just not Turkish culture but Aryan culture.Uyghur never used Turkish, We have 40 percent vocabulary that still are Indo-European.And as from Kashgeris and Artuxs,I have at least 50 percent Aryan blood,do you have any?
Do you have archeological proof that there were any chinese culture?
You should know that Truth is based on facts not rely on propaganda.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Now who is you ancestors aryan or turk???
if is aryan,you lost they language and culture;if is turk,you habe weak blood relationship, that is realy a mess. archeological proof that there were any chinese culture
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I wonder if you have any basic knowledge,there so many relics writting in Chinse in southen Xinjiang such as Yutian(于阗)
huanianyi 4 years ago
many relics writting in Chinse in southen Xinjiang such as Yutian(于阗)..................................
Cultural exchange is what makes the nations goes forth.Uyghurs(Tarim people exactly)were never been culturally conservative untill Adopted islam.And you should know they accepted it through Converted Mongol descents as well as Turkik and Middle-Eastern Islamic Jihadans.
Khoghen 4 years ago
When chinese is governing Tarim in Han(汉) and Tang（唐），they allow residents to use their own indo-european language.
but the turk's action is not "Adopte", but forced destroy of local culture.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Those relics writting in Chinese have nothing to do with Turki and Islamic,they are the official records materials of Tarim towns written in Chinese.Indo-European language and Chinese are the only languages used simultaneously in Tarim area long before turki and islamic invade this area.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Only Old writtens in Uyhghur language are found in Eastern Turkistan or Uyghuristan. A lot of historical books written in old Uyghur written are Also found in Kengsu ( Gan su in Chinese). You can still see the Uyghur influence in the faces of some Hanchinese poele living in Keng su( gansu)now. Keng su means land with a lot of water, Gansu means nothing in Chinese.
Fromeu 4 years ago
Some Uyghur terrorists trained by al-Qaeda group in Afghanistan and chechen run into China Xinjiang,they kidnap, kill innocent ppl,use exploders to threaten public security.That is Khoghen's fight for freedom.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Ha ha!You showed your true nature.If you can't win anyone with your converciation,you win the way accuse and insult them?Even the terrorists killed only dozens of people but there are thousands of students killed in Tiananmen.Are you baby ears of gov?
Khoghen 4 years ago
The Y-chromosome of modern Uyghur including 10% J ,18% R1a(aboriginal indo-european residents),14% O3(ancient Chinese Han residents in Xinjiang),it is ridiculous for uyghurs to say turks are their ancestor.
huanianyi 4 years ago
The material you gotten is just a quiz from northern Uyghurs and Eastern Uyghurs that contain only one quarter of Uyghur population.Genetic reserch must be based on the results of southern Uyghurs.Bloodline distribution of Kashger and Artux Uyghurs in central asia shows that they have more than 40 percent,nearly 50 percent R1b.
Khoghen 4 years ago
That means southernUyghurs are not the descents of turks a fortiori.they just have been invade and ruled by turks and their former culture have been destroyed by turks.
huanianyi 4 years ago
huanianyi.
If chinese came here even before the birth of Christ,then why there are no any Hen-Chinese family that can't trace back thier emigration history more than one hundered year?
Khoghen 4 years ago
Chinese Han lived in Xinjiang since 119 BC,while uyghurs ansestors Huihu(回鹘) immigrated into Xinjiang from mongolia high land after 840 AD
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is this reality all not? answer me,liar
huanianyi 4 years ago
When chinese Han lived in Xinjiang before the birth of Christ,is there any turky or Uyghur on earth?
huanianyi 4 years ago
Then why Uyghur culture is richer then Han Chinese culture?
Fromeu 4 years ago
The 3000,till 5000 years old mummies unearthed from Eastern Turkistan looked more like Uyghurs then HanChinese, or do u think Uyghurs must have covered it under the earth for fun?
Fromeu 4 years ago
Do you have any basic history knowledge,illiteracy? You'd better to know Uyghur is a word appears after the 13th century.
huanianyi 4 years ago
I never saied my ancestors ever called themselves Uyghur untill 20th century.We simply aknowledged this name to adress ourselves from 20th century.Before that
we simply called ourselves Turkik and still call each other(at least my family members)Sakam whichmeans "my Saka". Uyghur was just one tribe formed modern Uyghurs.
Khoghen 4 years ago
I wonder the way your ancestors educated you.
Huihu immigrated into here from mongolia 840 AD,yes.Chinese immigrated here from 1950 from inside of Great Wall.And all of us now are called Chinese. According to your logical principles,should i belive that i am Chinese and my ancestors are immigrated from Great Wall 57 years ago?
Khoghen 4 years ago
Chinese immigrated here from 1950
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Yea,who was ruling Xinjiang at the period of Han(汉) Tang（唐）.
Where did those 14% Uyghurs with O3 Y-chromosome come from.
huanianyi 4 years ago
thunderboy23.I reccomand you to study history first,Or else be carefull when you speak.hHave you forgot the fact that we had national gov and army before Libration army intered Uyghur region?Do you think Libration army "librated" there by themselves?We sheeded blood for our freedom but ""Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" is soo cheep for the prize.
Khoghen 4 years ago
our freedom
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you freedom of what?Chinese Han lived in Xinjiang since 119 BC,while uyghurs ansestors Huihu(回鹘) immigrated into Xinjiang from mongolia high land after 840 AD.How dare you call Xinjiang the eastturkistan
huanianyi 4 years ago
Why don't you took genetic samples of ancient Huihu,modern Hens and modern Uyghurs?
If your genology closer to ancient Uyghurs,do we belive you are from Huihu immigrated into a land called New Frontier or New land?
Khoghen 4 years ago
thunderboy23.I reccomand you to study history first,Or else be carefull when you speak.have you forgot the fact that we had national gov and army before Libration army intered Uyghur region?Do you think Libration army "librated" there by themselves?We sheeded blood for our freedom but ""Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" is soo cheep for the prize.
Khoghen 4 years ago
thunderboy23.I reccomand you to study history first,Or else be carefull when you speak.have you forgot the fact that we had national gov and army before Libration army intered Uyghur region?Do you think Libration army "librated" there themselves?We sheeded blood for our freedom but ""Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" is so cheep for the prize.
Khoghen 4 years ago
huanianyi.I am just an Uyghur living in Uyghur region and,therfore,witnesed of all the facts what fromeu said above.I reccomand yourself to 'travel to Xinjing and ask some local Uyghur citizens to see any of your words is true.'
Khoghen 4 years ago
excellent...bak yahxi kannnn
Gulyar 4 years ago
Uyghur culture is the proof of human civilization, but it is being destroyed under the heavy handed Chinese regime.
Fromeu 4 years ago
China has done a great job for preserving uygur culture and arts. Look at Central Asia, they all became Russian wannables. 60% people in Kazakhstan can't even speak Kazakh properly
thunderboy23 4 years ago
Then why Chinese gov is turning all the Uyghur schools into Chinese? Why Uyghus are discriminated against in their own homeland?Why Chiense gov is sening uneducated Chinese migarants into Uyghurs' homeland? Why they are traficing Uyghur girls into China deliberitely? It is Uyghurs who have been paying so much secrifice in order to keep the civilisation and culre from the Chinese. The west will start the doing the same soon.
Fromeu 4 years ago
You do not know reality but repeat those fake propagandizes against China. You can travel to Xinjing and ask some local Uyghur citizens to see any of your words is true.
huanianyi 4 years ago
huanianyi.I am just an Uyghur living in Uyghur region and,therfore,witnesed of all the facts what fromeu said above.I reccomand yourself to 'travel to Xinjing and ask some local Uyghur citizens to see any of your words is true.'
Khoghen 4 years ago
turning all the Uyghur schools into Chinese?
Why Uyghus are discriminated? Chiense gov is sening uneducated Chinese migarants into Uyghurs' homeland?
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be honest,are all these true? stop lieing.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Uyghur children can choose Uyghur schools without any other nation's children in Xinjiang,that is the trueth.
Uyghus are give better treatment than the Han people both in job and education, to enroll a same university in china,the Han children have to get even a hundred marks high than the Uyghus children,who is discriminated in their homeland?
Anybody can immigrant in their own country ,this is the basic right.
Khoghen, I have a Uyghur from kashgar ,he is honest,not like you.
huanianyi 4 years ago
Which Uyghur or Tibetan tells your lies are true,you will tell them honest.
Which Uyghur or Tibetan tells the truth that harsh to your ears,then you will tell them liers.
That is your policy and whole world knows it.
Khoghen 4 years ago
All my words are true.Have you ever come to This region?So you don't have right to tell whether my words are true.You never come to this region,right?
so,you yourself are lier.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Any one loyal to the truth have the right to tell "you are a liar!disgusting liar
huanianyi 4 years ago
The way you talk just shows you are a lier.
Khoghen 4 years ago
Freedomm........................................
Why this word threatens you so much?Aren't you Anti-terrorist?
You should know i am an Scientologist first,Then post your comment on me.Before someone have to be killed, they must be accused as Terrorist first,isn't it?
Khoghen 4 years ago
Kazaks were occupied by Russia for 120 years. Uyghurs have been occupied by China only for 55 years. Plus Uyghurs have a strong, fixed, compete culture which is beter the the Chinese ones. That is why it is not easy to destroy Uyghur culture. But China is using her best to destroy it.
Fromeu 4 years ago
55 years? How did you get it? 1955, as many local uygur requested, CCP renamed manchu word "Xinjiang Province" to "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" (a.k.a uygur region) But instead of "thank you", you people are now blaming Chinese Communists Party for everything. How ironic...
thunderboy23 4 years ago