What's the difference between Aristocracy-Beorgeoisie--the two achieved,upwardly-mobile classes of society--and...the Proletariat?Well?...:The lower-class,inferior proletariat WANT everything the other two have been able to achieve--buuut;the proletariat lack the brains!To actually be able to "obtain,achieve,move-onward-n-upward."That's why the inferior lower-class,is--just that.But yet they WANT! And the hippie marxists say--"Spread-the-wealth,man;"cause it ain't comin our way...No matter what.
To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
One must read Trotsky's "Revolution Betrayed", which very neetly explains how the russian revolution degenerated and why/how the totalitarian bucreaucracy in the state apparatus took form..
"Dictatorship of the proletariat, NOT the dictatorship of the party...."
The state must exactly be governed by the working class, not otherwise.
@Counterreactionary But the working class wants to consume the profits, and so capital isnt developed, and increased productivity cant be financed. Living standard increases cant then be accomplished.
If you were a doctor and u made as much as someone who dug holes all day and u have earned every cent that u made why would u stay a doctor if u know that u can make as much as a ditch digger?
@baseballalltheway18 Because you both work the same time. If you are a doctor, I respect you very dearly. But doctor, consider this, are you a doctor for the sake of money? I think not. You are a doctor because it is your passion. I will be a scientist and yet, ,I will always help communities, even if they did not have my opportunities and chances. And i shall fight to see a better humanity, where the person can exist in his own right. That is my dream, and I shall commit my entire life to it.
This is a slight unmeritable man, meet to be sent on errands: And, though others lay labours on this man, to ease ourselves of divers slanderous loads, he shall but bear them as the ass bears gold, to groan and sweat under the business, either led or driven, as they point him the way; and having brought their treasure where they will, then take they down his load and turn him off, like to the empty ass, to shake his ears and graze in commons; being in the service of the Baron as Marx is.
This is a slight unmeritable man, meet to be sent on errands: And, though others lay labours on this man, to ease ourselves of divers slanderous loads, he shall but bear them as the ass bears gold, to groan and sweat under the business, either led or driven, as they point him the way; and having brought their treasure where they will, then take they down his load and turn him off, like to the empty ass, to shake his ears and graze in commons; being in the service of the Baron as Marx is.
Thumbs way up! I'm a Left Communist I uphold these values of real Marxism! If you are living under a repressive dictatorship and it was called communist revolution, it's actually state capitalists. Cuba, North Korea, Soviet Union, China, and the other so called "Socialist" or "Communist" states were all state capitalist
@4500jas You just don't know what communism is. Communism is not left. I hate all you idiots who don't understand Karl Marx because your language is not as precise as the german language.
I like how he criticizes Baukunin yet doesn't even bother to explain where his argument is exactly wrong. I agree with much of what Marx said, however he was naive if he thought the mass of people would be able to acheive power. The average man on the streeet has only, at best, a fleeting interest in politics and a poor understanding of economics. Even if they did takeover, why would they then give up power. Marx never explained that very much.
What we see in this video sounds very good, but, it can only work in small places, with a small population, like he says, he is looking for the dictatorship of proletariat, and sadly, it almost always becomes a dictatorship of a person, a party o a sindicate if you try to practice this in bigger towns or cities, not to mention that is impossible with countries.
capitalism; work hard and achieve. what you earn or create is yours. not every body is good at the best of this idea. if you employer is an ass and doesnt realize your worth or doesnt make you happy by rewarding your work or you dont hold up your end of the bargin, then its not capitalism`s fault.man was put here naked,without shelter. are you then jelious of the man that has made clothes and good shelter and hunts better than you? get tough, quit makeing excuses for failure
@19or50 You may think that Capitalism works that way & too convenient but lets face the fact that despite people striving to achieve something the system gives a proportion a hard time achieving there dreams. If you think Capitalism is so easy to achieve then tell that to the pimps, drug dealers, prostitutes in the streets
when i look at the people on the internet i manly see an educated group of people where the majority of people are left winged our at least anti neo-conservative and neo-facist i have great hopes to the future lets tare about the capitalistic system once and for all for the international
Money is a recent and radical invention, it hasn't always been with us so the idea that the accumulation of money is human nature is a myth. Before the invention of money there was the primitive communists. We just want to get rid of money and live like people once did.
"We just want to get rid of money and live like people once did."
Ah, really?? To live like people once did?? You mean in a feudalistic system, where one is oppressed by the landlord?? Or in poverty, lack of technology, science and progress? Yeah, man, people in the old days they really had it.
The society above that economy also relies on that growth, which is largely inspired by Oil. Take away the oil, take away the growth, and everything goes kaput. So, in truth, capitalism was already flawed a long time ago, and already Marx pointed that out - 2 centuries ago.
@iownage4youi "200 million kids around the world working for companies like Nike"
Except for the fact, that this is NOT TRUE: In the absence of foreign companies, people would have to recur to child labour. Anywhere, where those "evil, evil multinationals" operate they pay much high wages, raise the social, professional and ecological standards. Why don t you care for the FACTS????
The Lord JESUS is king of this universe and all creation one day every knee and nation will bow down before CHRIST. before this will happen JESUS the lord told us that satan will decieve this world through the anti christ a false religious man who will make a one world order. The pope is the anti christ who controls the usa the freemasons the illumanati and jesuits they are all satan worshippers conspiring against God . they want to unite the world under the pope and satan but they will fail
@Nicolai0Nerland its not drugs its the word of God which 75 percent has been fulfilled already and history prooves that it has. And what is happening right now in the world is a continuation of christs prophecy being fullfiled. and if you pay attention to what christ warned us about than you will know that we are very very close to the end when the anti christ will come and with the help of satan will decieve this world with false miracles he controls the usa and europe already
@kimithyhologram Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25
@iownage4youi First can you give me an example of working Communist system? Secondly, can you tell me how you can control the economy without controlling the people?
@iownage4youi I was trying to make it simple for you, but never mind. I will answer them. The fairytale Communist utopia has never been acheived, because it is a denial of human nature. Self-interest, the propagation of your genes is a basic human instinct. Any system which denies this is doomed to failure. This is why every attempt to create a Communist state ends with dictatorship and death. Also, you can't control economics without controlling human interaction, the state is necessary.
@TheDiscerningGent You are saying that communism can't work because it's a system that will only work if everyone their nature changes. But what with the rise of Christianity, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, the French Revolution, globalism, the Russian Revolution and even the internet!! Those were radical changements of the nature of mankind. Before those events humans could only dream of a revolution, or a Renaissance,... But eventually they archieved it. You see my point?
@iownage4youi None of those things are Communist, not even the Russian revolution. All of the societal systems you are talking about have a top down leadership. In the Communist utopia the "dictatorship of the proletariat" will magically fade away and there will be a stateless society where everyone will live in harmony, somehow. Communists refer to Stalin as a gangster because he does not represent the ideal. What Stalin actually represents is reality, which is the enemy of Communism.
@TheDiscerningGent The Paris Commune has the advantage of essentially being true socialism in action, that was ultra-democratic and only collapsed due to outside influences - ie a massive army of counter-revolutionaries.
@TheDiscerningGent Have a time machine and get back to the time of Roman empire, before Christ. I am sure they would certainly say that society without slavery is impossible and for example they will show barbaric tribes outside the border of their empire. Basically, standing on today and saying a "communist(!)" society is impossible is nothing more than callous argument.
@TheDiscerningGent Just what is human nature? People use that argument, but when they do so they make it sound like human nature is something which everyone agrees upon, when in fact it's a very old and unresolved philosophical question.
@TheDiscerningGent But more importantly, the human nature argument is irrelevant, because if human beings truly are greedy and selfish by nature, always out for our own private gain at the cost of others, then why should we continue to use a social and economic system that permits or even encourages these traits?
@TheDiscerningGent Isn't it better to build a social system in which it is the responsibility of society at large to protect each individual from the predations of other individuals, instead of leaving the weak to fend for themselves?
@iownage4youi So you believe that personal freedom and individual rights should be curtailed, and that it is acceptable that the strong should be exploited by the weak?
@TheDiscerningGent You are liberal, I see? Communism allows individual freedom, because when the individu works and haves freedom, everyone will soon work also and will have their freedom. But what is freedom actually? And uhm... Where do I type that it is acceptable that the strong should be exploited by the weak?
@iownage4youi "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". In truth I would be a lot more sympathetic to your cause, if it were not for all of the cultural Marxist lies. For example, the lies concerning men and women. Domestic violence is committed at about an equal rate by men and women, and when it is non reciprocal, women initiate it at a higher rate than men. But it is men that are demonised as an oppressor class. The same is true of child abuse. Men are demonised.
@TheDiscerningGent If it was "human nature" to be individualistic and greedy our species would have gone extinct long ago. The good old "it has never happened before means it can never happen in the future" doesn't really cut it. And saying men are demonized is ridiculous.
@TheDiscerningGent You can say that Capitalism is It's own greatest enemy (apart from Communism, of course), because it relies on the constant consume, the generating of wealth, which at some point leads to economic crisis and collapse of the system. "bubbles", e.g. the housing bubble in america in the economic market are also an "enemy of reality",
@TheDiscerningGent as they are not based on any realistic figure, and neither is the banking system where your 10 dollars that you put into the bank generate 90 fantasy dollars for the banks, and in case of a bank run money has to be printed, riding everbody deeper into the shit. Capitalism is doomed to fail because it's economic structure is built on growth.
@iownage4youi You're right, but that was after the gold standard was abolished and our currencies became "fiat". You can't print more gold. "as they are not based on any realistic figure", are you talking about domestic violence and child abuse?
You brainless leftish, monkey, South Koreans make 30 Times more than their communist counterparth in NK!! 4 Millions of NKoreans starved to death, you dipshit.
"nortk korea is called "juche""
Yeah, u dipshit, and juche includes>
- abolition of private equity&free market
- collectivization and planned economy
- "classless society@
... dipshit, this is all your brainless Marxist monkeys are about.
@iownage4youi Brainless leftish ipshit, you obviously are not able to think thoughts through for a second, in particular not communistic ones. The SU, NKorea, Eastern Europe, this GErman rotten communist SHITHOLE called GDR ... all these COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES are the DIRECT and LOGIC consequence of Marxist ideology, You only can pursue communist goald by using FORCE and TERROR. Equally, communism leads to POVERTY, HUNGER and CRISIS, as it ALWAYS was the case.
@TheDiscerningGent To put it another way, there's a quote from the film Che that I'd like to paraphrase, in which Che is giving an interview about socialism, and a woman asks him about human nature. Che replies that while it is true that if a child receives a toy, he then wants two toys, and if he receives two, he then wants four, that IS human nature.
@kimithyhologram Jesus was also a moron in many ways, and not a good example of a productive member of his society, but, he was a product of his society, looking for a better life, away from the ruling class, or better yet, looking to become part of the same ruling class, the true meaning of any revolution is to throw away the ruler to become one, if that is not the goal, the revolution is useless.
@mikeyboy236 Marx a capitalist? Ignorant bastard. Do you have any idea of what communism and proletarianism is? I think not! Social justice is social justice and it is an eternal value that will never die, we first emerged on italy, then france, Marx was our most recent champion and we shall have more until our final victory.
@mikeyboy236 Yes that is what I meant. Regardless, I was wrong and I've been corrected, you do not support communism. I will not try to convince you. Marxist ideas are exposed here, if you were not convinced then I doubt I can. So I'll acknowledge our different ideologies and respect that. (If not comrade, then-) Sir?
@BluePenMagic I am well aware of what true communism is, (not all 'merricans think of Commies as dirty reds anymore). I appreciate that you did not start an argument, I've had enough of those. Quite honestly I don't think their are bad ideas, only Good ideas, and ideas not being used. I just would prefer to live under capitalism myself.
@drwptl786 No Jesus was No Socialist. He was no Communist. and He was no Capitalist! why? because he had no views on Politics what so ever he was Religous not a Communist. He didn't belive in common owner ship of property, He did't support the government to own all the Farms and Markets he wanted them to just be less greedy and care for one another,
@drwptl786 Greed and Caring have nothing to do with Economics. its not Capitalist, Communist, or Socialist. it is just emotions you are not greedy if your communist and your not greedy Capitalist. it all depends on the person
Funny to see that people here are argueing wich country was communist even if the video really represents very good and well that they all failed and disappointed.
@Nicolai0Nerland I'm sure being sent to a gulag and being forced to work at the point of a gun or being unable to leave the country is your idea of social freedom. But to me, communism, well at least the socialism that must take place to reach this ideal of communism is the exact opposite of social freedom and economic freedom.
@HappyFace877 Brainless leftish ipshit, you obviously are not able to think thoughts through for a second, in particular not communistic ones. The SU, NKorea, Eastern Europe, this GErman rotten communist SHITHOLE called GDR ... all these COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES are the DIRECT and LOGIC consequence of Marxist ideology, You only can pursue communist goald by using FORCE and TERROR. Equally, communism leads to POVERTY, HUNGER and CRISIS, as it ALWAYS was the case.
@shellarrowz ohh yes it is! the whole system is build on the exploitation of human workforce.and nothing else.
because of the tendentiously fall of the profit-rate. money doesnt make money ! the only real creator of wealth is human work. the better you can exploit it - the richer you get.
the capitalist steal the workforce of the working people.
and today most people have enough income to regain their health and power. the exploitation becomes destructive.
@CarstenOepping Ok so who did Billgates exploit? Who did Trump expoilt? Who did Steve Jobs exploit?
Sure exploiting does get you richer (And just so you know im going to expoilt the people in my parents country so i can be rich) I have many plans to become rich and powerful. Money=Power, i dont know why you dont want that.
@shellarrowz Microsoft f.E. emloyed not only highly skilled Informaticians and Math-Freaks but also an Army of college/university students around the world who work mostly for free. in Germany we call it "Praktikum" .
the students should learn something in a company while doing some work-nice idea but it soon turned into full work schedule for no income.
As for me some of the things of communism I do not agree. Like no individual rights. I think a good balance between capitalism and socialism would be best.
@AnterosOfTheNyboriag My comrade, what you've seen of the failed-"communist" states, is something that went completely against the communist teaching, and that's why they could never have been called communists. DonFeYoNe is just a bit angry, since propaganda (if you will) from the west, aswell as the totalitarian marked-states false hood under the flag of communism, has polluted the name. TL;DC - Soviet and it's controll over satellite states was capital-regimes, just state regulated.
Communism was made what we see today by Russia. Marx communism states that we all prosper. The man who makes $100 a year can't rise above the man who makes $50 a year. Main reason why I'm communist. Thank you marx for your great book.
I reminded everyone that I had explained how I would fly before I flew. When I explained it, I said I would take off and fly away. That did not happen when I tried it, so it must've been tried wrong.
The argument that I have made in the past two comments is the same argument that communists are making today. Communism has been tried. No matter how many times it fails, they will always say it wasn't tried.
Because their logic tells them that it cannot fail no matter what.
@aaasssfffdddiii They have prospered, but for some reason, some jackass came and went completely berserk and completely off the ideology. It's not wrong to say there never was a communist state, if so there would have been a lot of happy workers by then, no?
@Nicolai0Nerland Have you ever noticed that every communist state ends up being taken over by "some jackass". Could it be possible that Communism, by centralizing all economic power, gives leaders much more power. And, naturally, that power corrupts. Where do you get this idea that workers would be so happy in a communist system?
Who is happy in a system where they own no property?
@aaasssfffdddiii But then it's not communism; the workers are supposed to run the state, not some elected official acting on their own; the definition has hence changed. As for property rights; You get what you truly need of land, but doesn't allow you any more then what you truly wish for (if you really need a football stadium, then you'll even get that). In short it means none can take up land in the case of where they will not use it for anything productive, or to suppress any others.
@aaasssfffdddiii As for the workers like you and me; I'm sure you'd be happy to work 8 hours, make what you need and a bit more in profit, and still have the reasonable dream house you'd wish for, and yet still feel that you wouldn't have to climb a huge chain of promotions, ass kissing and much overpaid work to get there. Of course, we can't represent the whole majority just cause we want, but I think anyone would like it this way.
@aaasssfffdddiii Also, if you don't like state economy, there's the social economic way as well. Although this doesn't necessary go in hand in hand with the principle "to each according to her/his ability, to each according to her(his need", it's a way of organizing the economy as well.
@Nicolai0Nerland Either way, it is a centrally planned economy. And, there is no price mechanism to help allocate goods productively. Likewise, there is also a lack of incentive.
@aaasssfffdddiii Depends entirely on the system; In social economics it's harder, but possible. And the incentive will come when the society is communistic/socialistic.
I have a metaphor to convey the point I made in my previous comment. Imagine that I talked about how I could fly. I explained to everyone exactly how I would fly.
So then I tried to fly. Of course, I fell flat on my face. I tried again, and I fell again. I tried again and again and again. Every time, I fell in the same way. So, having failed, I told everyone that I simply didn't fly the right way.
Communism has been proven wrong over and over again. Communism has killed hundreds of millions of people. That is the "humane" system that has been tried. The argument that Russia was not communist falls well short. Communists have this belief that communism will work no matter what. They do not realize how unachievable communism is.
@aaasssfffdddiii what about all the people capitalism killed? from slave trade, racism, vietnem war, iraq war, etc. If communism is evil then so is capitalism
@nomorechoco Well, the slave trade had nothing to do with capitalism, and neither did those wars. In fact, North Vietnam was communist. And how does racism relate to capitalism?
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, it is just a bunch incoherent buzzwords that marxist's use....
@aaasssfffdddiii in america, trade slaving was a large business in America and when i said wars i meant all the wars started by capitalism cause you were spouting about all the people communism killed while capitalism also killed people. Try looking at things in a different perspective for once.
@nomorechoco I do. Okay, I have an idea. Lets test our ideas. I will stay in America, which is generally capitalist. You can go to any communist country in the world or in history. Any one. Whichever country is better off has the better system... GO!!
@aaasssfffdddiii The argument that communism killed many people is not an argument against communism. Why? Marx didn't wrote in The Communist Manifest to kill all these people.
A question: is there something with your ears? Because the video explains your argument very good and well and I think these video should be seen by many more.
@iownage4youi This is exactly what I was talking about. I could write a book about how I could fly. However, when I actually try to fly, I will fall flat on my face. What you're saying is that I should then turn around and say that I can fly because I wrote it in a book.
It does not matter what Marx wrote in a book. What matters is that Communism is a huge failure in practice. It is a failure in practice because the theory is fundamentally flawed.
@iownage4youi You don't understand. All of those systems were, in reality, communism and socialism. The fact is that socialism naturally leads to dictatorship. Communism and socialism cannot work. They are impossible to implement.
@aaasssfffdddiii Then give me the definiton of: Maoïsm, stalinism and trotskism. Oh, and communism isn't socialism, so that statement is dumb. Well, if you really can explain why communism can't work, say so. But we can learn from it, from this video and from Marx.
@iownage4youi Maoism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism are all forms of Marxism. None of them have ever worked in real life. I can explain why Marxism doesn't work. You see, there is no incentive to work in a Marxist society, hence production plummets. Likewise, a central planner cannot effectively plan an entire modern economy.
@aaasssfffdddiii They were founded by people that were inspired by Marx, but they created their own ideoligy. Stalin didn't let kill Trotski because Stalin didn't accept something about Marx. And ever read the slogan of stalin? "Socialism in one country" ? Yeah, that's very marxist (ahum) Seems you didn't studied nor understood what stalinism is, because stalinism stand for a bureacratic dictatorship and industrialisation that is more important than the people.Last post, i'm tired of discussing
@iownage4youi The only reason you're quitting is because I pointed out why marxism cannot work. You cannot rebut this intelligently because you know it is true.
@aaasssfffdddiii normally I expect such reasons from childish fools, but from you? Sorry, but no, I don't quit the discussion because you just pointed out that marxism can't work and I agree with how you proved that it can't work, I will not be ignorant about that, And no that is not the only reason, that's the reason for you. I quit the discussion because this is getting to long and i'm tired from discussing with morons, from nazi's to idiots think communism is jewish etc.
@aaasssfffdddiii my opinions about the world and politics are sometimes different than what Marx wrote. I can't say actually what I'm really am, or just describe as a liberal, marxist, democrat and patriot. Can you combine those?
And what are you? I guess you are... Right-winged liberal?
@aaasssfffdddiii supporting a system that can't work is like talking to a death person... But, on the other hand, in many poor country's as India, Burundi,... the poor society haves a system that kinda looks like what marxism is all about, sharing and be happy with almost nothing.
But Unforunatly true comunism would never work for many reasons, one being alot of people would not comply with the system including me, and for it to work everybody needs to comply. I would not support a true comunist overthrow because i want to be an individual and get what i deserve when i work hard for it,
@shellarrowz So do every worker too, but they often don't get at all what they deserve. And we all know we have different meaning, and answers to questions, that some may not share with is, but we all agree on a collective goal, and that is to abolish the class society and the flaws of capitalism. Communism is not for minimum wage; What you need as luxuries and "fun" goes in the wage. Work as hard as you can, and get all you need, both on physical level and mental. That's what it is all about.
@nvmarcus nice... i really like that argue, even as a communist that i am. :-) Actually social changes are evolving aswell. But i hope one day all people will walk on land together.
Ok...I get that Karl's theories were pretty smart, but just never worked (ppl screwed it) and that a capitalism-only society will just have more and more e¢onomic crisises, but...dressing as Karl...XD LOL
@rolingpingu Well we're in 2011' - Modern society and mostly honest leftist people, and smarter too - Workers right am coming soon comrade, either reformist or via revolution ;3
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"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." - Frank Zappa
funnyfeeling101 1 month ago
What's the difference between Aristocracy-Beorgeoisie--the two achieved,upwardly-mobile classes of society--and...the Proletariat?Well?...:The lower-class,inferior proletariat WANT everything the other two have been able to achieve--buuut;the proletariat lack the brains!To actually be able to "obtain,achieve,move-onward-n-upward."That's why the inferior lower-class,is--just that.But yet they WANT! And the hippie marxists say--"Spread-the-wealth,man;"cause it ain't comin our way...No matter what.
chuckolove 1 month ago
@chuckolove
Please don't compare us to hippies. It is very insulting.
Squirtleforpresident 1 month ago
To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."
iownage4youi 2 months ago
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
iownage4youi 2 months ago
So Marx was a drunk too?
What a douche. Thank God it died around the world.
RIP Karl Marx. May your moronic system die with you.
TheLoyalOfficer 2 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer what the hell are you even doing here if you piss on his grave?
iownage4youi 2 months ago
@iow He was right about the PROBLEM.
He was not correct about the SOLUTION.
TheLoyalOfficer 2 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer Moron....
iownage4youi 2 months ago
One must read Trotsky's "Revolution Betrayed", which very neetly explains how the russian revolution degenerated and why/how the totalitarian bucreaucracy in the state apparatus took form..
"Dictatorship of the proletariat, NOT the dictatorship of the party...."
The state must exactly be governed by the working class, not otherwise.
Counterreactionary 2 months ago
@Counterreactionary But the working class wants to consume the profits, and so capital isnt developed, and increased productivity cant be financed. Living standard increases cant then be accomplished.
luvcheney1 1 month ago
bakunin was right
DrSourCream 3 months ago
If you were a doctor and u made as much as someone who dug holes all day and u have earned every cent that u made why would u stay a doctor if u know that u can make as much as a ditch digger?
baseballalltheway18 4 months ago
@baseballalltheway18 Because you both work the same time. If you are a doctor, I respect you very dearly. But doctor, consider this, are you a doctor for the sake of money? I think not. You are a doctor because it is your passion. I will be a scientist and yet, ,I will always help communities, even if they did not have my opportunities and chances. And i shall fight to see a better humanity, where the person can exist in his own right. That is my dream, and I shall commit my entire life to it.
BluePenMagic 4 months ago
@BluePenMagic Well, I sell cars, and when I see you on my lot, I WILL bury you. For 72 months anyway.
luvcheney1 1 month ago
This is a slight unmeritable man, meet to be sent on errands: And, though others lay labours on this man, to ease ourselves of divers slanderous loads, he shall but bear them as the ass bears gold, to groan and sweat under the business, either led or driven, as they point him the way; and having brought their treasure where they will, then take they down his load and turn him off, like to the empty ass, to shake his ears and graze in commons; being in the service of the Baron as Marx is.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 4 months ago
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This is a slight unmeritable man, meet to be sent on errands: And, though others lay labours on this man, to ease ourselves of divers slanderous loads, he shall but bear them as the ass bears gold, to groan and sweat under the business, either led or driven, as they point him the way; and having brought their treasure where they will, then take they down his load and turn him off, like to the empty ass, to shake his ears and graze in commons; being in the service of the Baron as Marx is.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 4 months ago
communimt a freedom of individuals.... true communism that is!
Archraveful 5 months ago
Thumbs way up! I'm a Left Communist I uphold these values of real Marxism! If you are living under a repressive dictatorship and it was called communist revolution, it's actually state capitalists. Cuba, North Korea, Soviet Union, China, and the other so called "Socialist" or "Communist" states were all state capitalist
4500jas 5 months ago
@4500jas You just don't know what communism is. Communism is not left. I hate all you idiots who don't understand Karl Marx because your language is not as precise as the german language.
CommunistUnderground 3 months ago
I like how he criticizes Baukunin yet doesn't even bother to explain where his argument is exactly wrong. I agree with much of what Marx said, however he was naive if he thought the mass of people would be able to acheive power. The average man on the streeet has only, at best, a fleeting interest in politics and a poor understanding of economics. Even if they did takeover, why would they then give up power. Marx never explained that very much.
fistfulofknowledge 6 months ago
What we see in this video sounds very good, but, it can only work in small places, with a small population, like he says, he is looking for the dictatorship of proletariat, and sadly, it almost always becomes a dictatorship of a person, a party o a sindicate if you try to practice this in bigger towns or cities, not to mention that is impossible with countries.
Lonemann2008 7 months ago
See, I knew it all along: Marx is a Trotskyist!
bensmith3200 7 months ago in playlist Karl Marx/Socialism
capitalism; work hard and achieve. what you earn or create is yours. not every body is good at the best of this idea. if you employer is an ass and doesnt realize your worth or doesnt make you happy by rewarding your work or you dont hold up your end of the bargin, then its not capitalism`s fault.man was put here naked,without shelter. are you then jelious of the man that has made clothes and good shelter and hunts better than you? get tough, quit makeing excuses for failure
19or50 7 months ago
@19or50 You may think that Capitalism works that way & too convenient but lets face the fact that despite people striving to achieve something the system gives a proportion a hard time achieving there dreams. If you think Capitalism is so easy to achieve then tell that to the pimps, drug dealers, prostitutes in the streets
uncleruckus714 7 months ago 6
when i look at the people on the internet i manly see an educated group of people where the majority of people are left winged our at least anti neo-conservative and neo-facist i have great hopes to the future lets tare about the capitalistic system once and for all for the international
LittleCommi 7 months ago
RIP Karl Marx
You were the greatest and wisest man who ever lived,sorry humanity has failed your dream.
CapitalBhoy78 8 months ago 10
@CapitalBhoy78 Well said, it was a dream, sadly, be selfless is not a part of humanity.
Lonemann2008 7 months ago
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@CapitalBhoy78 " then when cornered, spew forth venomous "
Hahahahhaah, when did this happen??
Ok, let us see your "intellectual capabilities" on those questions:
1) Name just ONE example where communism was SUCCESSFUL
2) Explain how communism can be realised WITHOUT resulting in a NIGHTMARE of POVERTY, TERROR, DICTATORSHIPS, FAMINES, IN-EFFICIENCIES.
I am ready to pay you 100,000 of my CAPITALISTIC EUROS, if you can :-)
joaquinveyron 2 months ago
@CapitalBhoy78 huge fucking cocks
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leotheloser 8 months ago
Money is a recent and radical invention, it hasn't always been with us so the idea that the accumulation of money is human nature is a myth. Before the invention of money there was the primitive communists. We just want to get rid of money and live like people once did.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi
"We just want to get rid of money and live like people once did."
Ah, really?? To live like people once did?? You mean in a feudalistic system, where one is oppressed by the landlord?? Or in poverty, lack of technology, science and progress? Yeah, man, people in the old days they really had it.
joaquinveyron 8 months ago
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@iownage4youi "the government after Stalin was very much ANTI Stalinist. "
Oh, GREAT SUCCESS after Stalin ...
- only 5 mio. people were killed
- otherwise the same level of DICTATORSHIP, UNFREEDOM anjd TERROR persevered
They probably didnt send you to SIberia anymore. Therefore they had other "nice places" for you, if you thought that you want to think for yourself.
joaquinveyron 8 months ago
The society above that economy also relies on that growth, which is largely inspired by Oil. Take away the oil, take away the growth, and everything goes kaput. So, in truth, capitalism was already flawed a long time ago, and already Marx pointed that out - 2 centuries ago.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
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@iownage4youi "200 million kids around the world working for companies like Nike"
Except for the fact, that this is NOT TRUE: In the absence of foreign companies, people would have to recur to child labour. Anywhere, where those "evil, evil multinationals" operate they pay much high wages, raise the social, professional and ecological standards. Why don t you care for the FACTS????
joaquinveyron 8 months ago
@iownage4youi
"Take away the oil, take away the growth, and everything goes kaput. "
Ah, really? Oh, then the reason why ALL COMMUNIST countries were ABSOLUTE SHITHOLES was because they ran out of oil?? :-) :-)
Hahaha, only the fact is that the SU and its allies were OIL-rich countries, you dipshit!
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iownage4youi 8 months ago
Remember comrade's soviet union was communism, under lenin and stalin, but after that it was ruined by others.
Long live Marxism!
AtheismCentral 8 months ago
aksh likesh ahh gangshtaahh. lol.
fishontuesday 8 months ago
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The Lord JESUS is king of this universe and all creation one day every knee and nation will bow down before CHRIST. before this will happen JESUS the lord told us that satan will decieve this world through the anti christ a false religious man who will make a one world order. The pope is the anti christ who controls the usa the freemasons the illumanati and jesuits they are all satan worshippers conspiring against God . they want to unite the world under the pope and satan but they will fail
vladimirkovalski 9 months ago
@vladimirkovalski What drugs are you on my friend?
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@Nicolai0Nerland its not drugs its the word of God which 75 percent has been fulfilled already and history prooves that it has. And what is happening right now in the world is a continuation of christs prophecy being fullfiled. and if you pay attention to what christ warned us about than you will know that we are very very close to the end when the anti christ will come and with the help of satan will decieve this world with false miracles he controls the usa and europe already
vladimirkovalski 9 months ago
Jesus was a Communist.
kimithyhologram 9 months ago 20
@kimithyhologram No he wasnt. He was a Religious Leaders.
kurzschlusskuh 9 months ago
@kimithyhologram Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@kimithyhologram Jesus never existed. He is fiction. Just like a workable communist society.
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent how do you know that? Come with an argument please.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi Which one, Jesus or Communism.
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent communism.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi First can you give me an example of working Communist system? Secondly, can you tell me how you can control the economy without controlling the people?
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent
1.You have to awnser my question first
2. Don't come up saying "No, I will awnser if you awnser my questions first"
3. Those question you ask me are actually dumb, because they are explained in many ways
search revlft and marxists (point) org with Google
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi I was trying to make it simple for you, but never mind. I will answer them. The fairytale Communist utopia has never been acheived, because it is a denial of human nature. Self-interest, the propagation of your genes is a basic human instinct. Any system which denies this is doomed to failure. This is why every attempt to create a Communist state ends with dictatorship and death. Also, you can't control economics without controlling human interaction, the state is necessary.
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent You are saying that communism can't work because it's a system that will only work if everyone their nature changes. But what with the rise of Christianity, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, the French Revolution, globalism, the Russian Revolution and even the internet!! Those were radical changements of the nature of mankind. Before those events humans could only dream of a revolution, or a Renaissance,... But eventually they archieved it. You see my point?
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi None of those things are Communist, not even the Russian revolution. All of the societal systems you are talking about have a top down leadership. In the Communist utopia the "dictatorship of the proletariat" will magically fade away and there will be a stateless society where everyone will live in harmony, somehow. Communists refer to Stalin as a gangster because he does not represent the ideal. What Stalin actually represents is reality, which is the enemy of Communism.
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent The Paris Commune has the advantage of essentially being true socialism in action, that was ultra-democratic and only collapsed due to outside influences - ie a massive army of counter-revolutionaries.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent Have a time machine and get back to the time of Roman empire, before Christ. I am sure they would certainly say that society without slavery is impossible and for example they will show barbaric tribes outside the border of their empire. Basically, standing on today and saying a "communist(!)" society is impossible is nothing more than callous argument.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent Just what is human nature? People use that argument, but when they do so they make it sound like human nature is something which everyone agrees upon, when in fact it's a very old and unresolved philosophical question.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent But more importantly, the human nature argument is irrelevant, because if human beings truly are greedy and selfish by nature, always out for our own private gain at the cost of others, then why should we continue to use a social and economic system that permits or even encourages these traits?
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent Isn't it better to build a social system in which it is the responsibility of society at large to protect each individual from the predations of other individuals, instead of leaving the weak to fend for themselves?
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi So you believe that personal freedom and individual rights should be curtailed, and that it is acceptable that the strong should be exploited by the weak?
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent You are liberal, I see? Communism allows individual freedom, because when the individu works and haves freedom, everyone will soon work also and will have their freedom. But what is freedom actually? And uhm... Where do I type that it is acceptable that the strong should be exploited by the weak?
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". In truth I would be a lot more sympathetic to your cause, if it were not for all of the cultural Marxist lies. For example, the lies concerning men and women. Domestic violence is committed at about an equal rate by men and women, and when it is non reciprocal, women initiate it at a higher rate than men. But it is men that are demonised as an oppressor class. The same is true of child abuse. Men are demonised.
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent If it was "human nature" to be individualistic and greedy our species would have gone extinct long ago. The good old "it has never happened before means it can never happen in the future" doesn't really cut it. And saying men are demonized is ridiculous.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent You can say that Capitalism is It's own greatest enemy (apart from Communism, of course), because it relies on the constant consume, the generating of wealth, which at some point leads to economic crisis and collapse of the system. "bubbles", e.g. the housing bubble in america in the economic market are also an "enemy of reality",
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent as they are not based on any realistic figure, and neither is the banking system where your 10 dollars that you put into the bank generate 90 fantasy dollars for the banks, and in case of a bank run money has to be printed, riding everbody deeper into the shit. Capitalism is doomed to fail because it's economic structure is built on growth.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@iownage4youi You're right, but that was after the gold standard was abolished and our currencies became "fiat". You can't print more gold. "as they are not based on any realistic figure", are you talking about domestic violence and child abuse?
TheDiscerningGent 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent "south korea suffer from injustice, unemployment, "
You brainless leftish, monkey, South Koreans make 30 Times more than their communist counterparth in NK!! 4 Millions of NKoreans starved to death, you dipshit.
"nortk korea is called "juche""
Yeah, u dipshit, and juche includes>
- abolition of private equity&free market
- collectivization and planned economy
- "classless society@
... dipshit, this is all your brainless Marxist monkeys are about.
joaquinveyron 8 months ago
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@iownage4youi Brainless leftish ipshit, you obviously are not able to think thoughts through for a second, in particular not communistic ones. The SU, NKorea, Eastern Europe, this GErman rotten communist SHITHOLE called GDR ... all these COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES are the DIRECT and LOGIC consequence of Marxist ideology, You only can pursue communist goald by using FORCE and TERROR. Equally, communism leads to POVERTY, HUNGER and CRISIS, as it ALWAYS was the case.
joaquinveyron 8 months ago
@TheDiscerningGent To put it another way, there's a quote from the film Che that I'd like to paraphrase, in which Che is giving an interview about socialism, and a woman asks him about human nature. Che replies that while it is true that if a child receives a toy, he then wants two toys, and if he receives two, he then wants four, that IS human nature.
iownage4youi 8 months ago
@kimithyhologram Jesus was also a moron in many ways, and not a good example of a productive member of his society, but, he was a product of his society, looking for a better life, away from the ruling class, or better yet, looking to become part of the same ruling class, the true meaning of any revolution is to throw away the ruler to become one, if that is not the goal, the revolution is useless.
Lonemann2008 7 months ago
@kimithyhologram That's why jesus was scum.
BrettDunbar 7 months ago
@BrettDunbar nope. you are a capitalis scum go fuck a whore using your own money douch.
Archraveful 7 months ago
@Archraveful You serious? or trolling?
mikeyboy236 7 months ago
@mikeyboy236 i'm replying to someone not for this video....
Archraveful 5 months ago
and i'm not trolling around...
Archraveful 5 months ago
@Archraveful Jesus was a nigger true facts. Marx was closet capitalist, he hid it well
mikeyboy236 5 months ago
@mikeyboy236 evidence???
Archraveful 5 months ago
@Archraveful My face has just met my palm.....
mikeyboy236 5 months ago
@mikeyboy236 Marx a capitalist? Ignorant bastard. Do you have any idea of what communism and proletarianism is? I think not! Social justice is social justice and it is an eternal value that will never die, we first emerged on italy, then france, Marx was our most recent champion and we shall have more until our final victory.
BluePenMagic 4 months ago
@BluePenMagic It was sarcasm you dumb fuck.
mikeyboy236 4 months ago
@mikeyboy236 So you are a comrade? Apologies then.
BluePenMagic 4 months ago
@BluePenMagic I am absolutely not a supporter of communism, if that is indeed what you mean by calling me a comrade.
mikeyboy236 4 months ago
@mikeyboy236 Yes that is what I meant. Regardless, I was wrong and I've been corrected, you do not support communism. I will not try to convince you. Marxist ideas are exposed here, if you were not convinced then I doubt I can. So I'll acknowledge our different ideologies and respect that. (If not comrade, then-) Sir?
BluePenMagic 4 months ago
@BluePenMagic I am well aware of what true communism is, (not all 'merricans think of Commies as dirty reds anymore). I appreciate that you did not start an argument, I've had enough of those. Quite honestly I don't think their are bad ideas, only Good ideas, and ideas not being used. I just would prefer to live under capitalism myself.
mikeyboy236 4 months ago
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@BluePenMagic Yes, you are waiting for fantasy land.
luvcheney1 1 month ago
@kimithyhologram he wasn't, dont involve Jesus and religion in communism when communist would kill by the thousands christians
capenati 7 months ago
@capenati jesus christ believe that all people are the children of god so we are all equal for god is the only perfect and most high.
Archraveful 7 months ago
@Archraveful what does that have to do with anything??
capenati 7 months ago
@kimithyhologram i agree
Archraveful 7 months ago
@kimithyhologram NO HE WAS NOT
twittermonz 6 months ago
@twittermonz He was the 1st socialist .
drwptl786 6 months ago
@drwptl786 No Jesus was No Socialist. He was no Communist. and He was no Capitalist! why? because he had no views on Politics what so ever he was Religous not a Communist. He didn't belive in common owner ship of property, He did't support the government to own all the Farms and Markets he wanted them to just be less greedy and care for one another,
twittermonz 6 months ago
@twittermonz And how is being less greedy and caring for one another not,TRUE, communism or socialism ?
drwptl786 6 months ago
@drwptl786 Greed and Caring have nothing to do with Economics. its not Capitalist, Communist, or Socialist. it is just emotions you are not greedy if your communist and your not greedy Capitalist. it all depends on the person
twittermonz 6 months ago
@kimithyhologram Yes, but he was not a god, he was just a really awakened human with a good heart.
purpurpledog8 5 months ago
@kimithyhologram Jesus isn't real.
BeatleFloydify 4 months ago
@kimithyhologram yes, long hair, long beard! And an atheist!
paunocu666 4 months ago
Talking to a death person...... DEAF? Communism would be perfect.
kimithyhologram 9 months ago
Funny to see that people here are argueing wich country was communist even if the video really represents very good and well that they all failed and disappointed.
iownage4youi 9 months ago
Communism will rise
!!!!! Liberty Fraternity and Equality !!!!
All Capitalism pigs stop stealing from the poor
HappyFace877 10 months ago 16
@HappyFace877 Liberty and communism are opposites.
Esoparagon 9 months ago
@Esoparagon Economic liberty yes, not social.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@Nicolai0Nerland I'm sure being sent to a gulag and being forced to work at the point of a gun or being unable to leave the country is your idea of social freedom. But to me, communism, well at least the socialism that must take place to reach this ideal of communism is the exact opposite of social freedom and economic freedom.
Esoparagon 9 months ago
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OperationThor 8 months ago
@OperationThor OMG NAZI in the House !!!
HappyFace877 8 months ago
@OperationThor I still think that Trotsky banged your grandmother.
cykotoxick 8 months ago
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@HappyFace877 Brainless leftish ipshit, you obviously are not able to think thoughts through for a second, in particular not communistic ones. The SU, NKorea, Eastern Europe, this GErman rotten communist SHITHOLE called GDR ... all these COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLES are the DIRECT and LOGIC consequence of Marxist ideology, You only can pursue communist goald by using FORCE and TERROR. Equally, communism leads to POVERTY, HUNGER and CRISIS, as it ALWAYS was the case.
joaquinveyron 8 months ago
@HappyFace877 Steal from the poor? You are fucken stupid. Capitalism isn't about stealing from the poor.
shellarrowz 7 months ago
@shellarrowz ohh yes it is! the whole system is build on the exploitation of human workforce.and nothing else.
because of the tendentiously fall of the profit-rate. money doesnt make money ! the only real creator of wealth is human work. the better you can exploit it - the richer you get.
the capitalist steal the workforce of the working people.
and today most people have enough income to regain their health and power. the exploitation becomes destructive.
CarstenOepping 7 months ago
@CarstenOepping Ok so who did Billgates exploit? Who did Trump expoilt? Who did Steve Jobs exploit?
Sure exploiting does get you richer (And just so you know im going to expoilt the people in my parents country so i can be rich) I have many plans to become rich and powerful. Money=Power, i dont know why you dont want that.
shellarrowz 6 months ago
@shellarrowz Microsoft f.E. emloyed not only highly skilled Informaticians and Math-Freaks but also an Army of college/university students around the world who work mostly for free. in Germany we call it "Praktikum" .
the students should learn something in a company while doing some work-nice idea but it soon turned into full work schedule for no income.
CarstenOepping 6 months ago
@HappyFace877 YOU are the only ones stealing from us. Communists deserve to be slaughtered in the worst way imaginable.
BrettDunbar 7 months ago
@BrettDunbar You should be slaughtered for saying that, so we can prevent a holocaust on communists, wich are people.
iownage4youi 7 months ago
Exactly, people are too ignorant to understand that.
UhMysteryGuest 10 months ago
If you want communism with individual rights and freedoms, try doing a welfare state with a little more intervention on the laissez-faire market. :)
alacson100 10 months ago
As for me some of the things of communism I do not agree. Like no individual rights. I think a good balance between capitalism and socialism would be best.
dragonbreathstinks 11 months ago
Im sad communism failed the way it did, it had some real potential but was ruined by the power hungry and the greedy.
AnterosOfTheNyboriag 11 months ago
@AnterosOfTheNyboriag Communism couldnt fail because it never existed. Learn you must, young padawan!
DonFeYoNe 11 months ago
@DonFeYoNe Communism tryed to happen in countrys and failed and became cruel dictatorships is what I ment.
...Did you just call me padawan?
AnterosOfTheNyboriag 11 months ago
@AnterosOfTheNyboriag My comrade, what you've seen of the failed-"communist" states, is something that went completely against the communist teaching, and that's why they could never have been called communists. DonFeYoNe is just a bit angry, since propaganda (if you will) from the west, aswell as the totalitarian marked-states false hood under the flag of communism, has polluted the name. TL;DC - Soviet and it's controll over satellite states was capital-regimes, just state regulated.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
Communism was made what we see today by Russia. Marx communism states that we all prosper. The man who makes $100 a year can't rise above the man who makes $50 a year. Main reason why I'm communist. Thank you marx for your great book.
IfinduIgetu 11 months ago
I reminded everyone that I had explained how I would fly before I flew. When I explained it, I said I would take off and fly away. That did not happen when I tried it, so it must've been tried wrong.
The argument that I have made in the past two comments is the same argument that communists are making today. Communism has been tried. No matter how many times it fails, they will always say it wasn't tried.
Because their logic tells them that it cannot fail no matter what.
aaasssfffdddiii 11 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii They have prospered, but for some reason, some jackass came and went completely berserk and completely off the ideology. It's not wrong to say there never was a communist state, if so there would have been a lot of happy workers by then, no?
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@Nicolai0Nerland Have you ever noticed that every communist state ends up being taken over by "some jackass". Could it be possible that Communism, by centralizing all economic power, gives leaders much more power. And, naturally, that power corrupts. Where do you get this idea that workers would be so happy in a communist system?
Who is happy in a system where they own no property?
Or a system where all power is centralized?
I don't think workers would want that.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii But then it's not communism; the workers are supposed to run the state, not some elected official acting on their own; the definition has hence changed. As for property rights; You get what you truly need of land, but doesn't allow you any more then what you truly wish for (if you really need a football stadium, then you'll even get that). In short it means none can take up land in the case of where they will not use it for anything productive, or to suppress any others.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii As for the workers like you and me; I'm sure you'd be happy to work 8 hours, make what you need and a bit more in profit, and still have the reasonable dream house you'd wish for, and yet still feel that you wouldn't have to climb a huge chain of promotions, ass kissing and much overpaid work to get there. Of course, we can't represent the whole majority just cause we want, but I think anyone would like it this way.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Also, if you don't like state economy, there's the social economic way as well. Although this doesn't necessary go in hand in hand with the principle "to each according to her/his ability, to each according to her(his need", it's a way of organizing the economy as well.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@Nicolai0Nerland Either way, it is a centrally planned economy. And, there is no price mechanism to help allocate goods productively. Likewise, there is also a lack of incentive.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Depends entirely on the system; In social economics it's harder, but possible. And the incentive will come when the society is communistic/socialistic.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
@Nicolai0Nerland This comment makes no sense. Explain how there can possibly be a price mechanism in any non-free market system.
"And the incentive will come when the society is communistic/socialistic."
This makes absolutely no sense. The problem with communism/socialism is a lack of incentive!!
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
I have a metaphor to convey the point I made in my previous comment. Imagine that I talked about how I could fly. I explained to everyone exactly how I would fly.
So then I tried to fly. Of course, I fell flat on my face. I tried again, and I fell again. I tried again and again and again. Every time, I fell in the same way. So, having failed, I told everyone that I simply didn't fly the right way.
aaasssfffdddiii 11 months ago
Communism has been proven wrong over and over again. Communism has killed hundreds of millions of people. That is the "humane" system that has been tried. The argument that Russia was not communist falls well short. Communists have this belief that communism will work no matter what. They do not realize how unachievable communism is.
aaasssfffdddiii 11 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii what about all the people capitalism killed? from slave trade, racism, vietnem war, iraq war, etc. If communism is evil then so is capitalism
nomorechoco 11 months ago
@nomorechoco Well, the slave trade had nothing to do with capitalism, and neither did those wars. In fact, North Vietnam was communist. And how does racism relate to capitalism?
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, it is just a bunch incoherent buzzwords that marxist's use....
aaasssfffdddiii 11 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii in america, trade slaving was a large business in America and when i said wars i meant all the wars started by capitalism cause you were spouting about all the people communism killed while capitalism also killed people. Try looking at things in a different perspective for once.
nomorechoco 11 months ago
@nomorechoco I do. Okay, I have an idea. Lets test our ideas. I will stay in America, which is generally capitalist. You can go to any communist country in the world or in history. Any one. Whichever country is better off has the better system... GO!!
aaasssfffdddiii 11 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii instead of america, try nigeria.
nomorechoco 11 months ago
@nomorechoco Nigeria is a case of markets turning a around a bad situation. Nigeria is not an emerging economy because of the market reforms.
aaasssfffdddiii 11 months ago
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@aaasssfffdddiii
"Well, the slave trade had nothing to do with capitalism"
That is the silliest thing i've heard ever.
"North Vietnam was communist."
No it wasn't
kingmafi6699 11 months ago
@kingmafi6699
North Vietnam was Communist.
Led by Ho Chi Minh, and the people.
ColonelMcKnight 10 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii The argument that communism killed many people is not an argument against communism. Why? Marx didn't wrote in The Communist Manifest to kill all these people.
A question: is there something with your ears? Because the video explains your argument very good and well and I think these video should be seen by many more.
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi This is exactly what I was talking about. I could write a book about how I could fly. However, when I actually try to fly, I will fall flat on my face. What you're saying is that I should then turn around and say that I can fly because I wrote it in a book.
It does not matter what Marx wrote in a book. What matters is that Communism is a huge failure in practice. It is a failure in practice because the theory is fundamentally flawed.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii the video means that communism was raped and miss-understood. Here some facts:
-regime in the USSR: aristocracy with depleted socialism
-regime in China: Maoïsm along with liberal-socialism
-regime in Vietnam: socialism with stalinist influence
-regime in Cuba: socialism and fidelism along with juche
-regime in North Korea: stalinism along with juche(=korean for "one leader" that is the father of the people)
Study:
-Marxism
-Communism and its political streams
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi You don't understand. All of those systems were, in reality, communism and socialism. The fact is that socialism naturally leads to dictatorship. Communism and socialism cannot work. They are impossible to implement.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Then give me the definiton of: Maoïsm, stalinism and trotskism. Oh, and communism isn't socialism, so that statement is dumb. Well, if you really can explain why communism can't work, say so. But we can learn from it, from this video and from Marx.
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi Maoism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism are all forms of Marxism. None of them have ever worked in real life. I can explain why Marxism doesn't work. You see, there is no incentive to work in a Marxist society, hence production plummets. Likewise, a central planner cannot effectively plan an entire modern economy.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii They were founded by people that were inspired by Marx, but they created their own ideoligy. Stalin didn't let kill Trotski because Stalin didn't accept something about Marx. And ever read the slogan of stalin? "Socialism in one country" ? Yeah, that's very marxist (ahum) Seems you didn't studied nor understood what stalinism is, because stalinism stand for a bureacratic dictatorship and industrialisation that is more important than the people.Last post, i'm tired of discussing
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi The only reason you're quitting is because I pointed out why marxism cannot work. You cannot rebut this intelligently because you know it is true.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii normally I expect such reasons from childish fools, but from you? Sorry, but no, I don't quit the discussion because you just pointed out that marxism can't work and I agree with how you proved that it can't work, I will not be ignorant about that, And no that is not the only reason, that's the reason for you. I quit the discussion because this is getting to long and i'm tired from discussing with morons, from nazi's to idiots think communism is jewish etc.
Ps: Study stalinism
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi Okay. I assume you are not a marxist then?
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii my opinions about the world and politics are sometimes different than what Marx wrote. I can't say actually what I'm really am, or just describe as a liberal, marxist, democrat and patriot. Can you combine those?
And what are you? I guess you are... Right-winged liberal?
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi I'm a conservative. You conceded that Marxism cannot work, I was just guessing that you are then not a marxist.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii supporting a system that can't work is like talking to a death person... But, on the other hand, in many poor country's as India, Burundi,... the poor society haves a system that kinda looks like what marxism is all about, sharing and be happy with almost nothing.
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi Okay, I would rather be wealther than no wealthy.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
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iownage4youi 9 months ago
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51 reactionaries who can't distinguish.
KammeratGak 1 year ago
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KammeratGak 1 year ago
But Unforunatly true comunism would never work for many reasons, one being alot of people would not comply with the system including me, and for it to work everybody needs to comply. I would not support a true comunist overthrow because i want to be an individual and get what i deserve when i work hard for it,
shellarrowz 1 year ago
@shellarrowz So do every worker too, but they often don't get at all what they deserve. And we all know we have different meaning, and answers to questions, that some may not share with is, but we all agree on a collective goal, and that is to abolish the class society and the flaws of capitalism. Communism is not for minimum wage; What you need as luxuries and "fun" goes in the wage. Work as hard as you can, and get all you need, both on physical level and mental. That's what it is all about.
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
Marxism is a utopia
Leninism is the closest thing to Communism !
CCCPSovietSoldier 1 year ago
I love communism
TheJackSnackAttack 1 year ago
Trust me. That Communism, Capitalism or Empiricism stuff is Balogny.
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
Communism would work great if people were the same. But no one is the same, classes cannot be devoured, races cannot be the same... etc.
SlavicFront88 1 year ago
You can't force communism on a population that is not ready for it any more than you can force evolution on a fish by throwing it on dry land.
nvmarcus 1 year ago
@nvmarcus nice... i really like that argue, even as a communist that i am. :-) Actually social changes are evolving aswell. But i hope one day all people will walk on land together.
ar01068 1 year ago
Ok...I get that Karl's theories were pretty smart, but just never worked (ppl screwed it) and that a capitalism-only society will just have more and more e¢onomic crisises, but...dressing as Karl...XD LOL
rolingpingu 1 year ago
@rolingpingu Well we're in 2011' - Modern society and mostly honest leftist people, and smarter too - Workers right am coming soon comrade, either reformist or via revolution ;3
Nicolai0Nerland 9 months ago
Scottish?
Dalek1230 1 year ago
Huh... I'm no expert on politics but that sounded like anarchy to me.
coregoon 1 year ago