Ummm No-- the origenal beatle model for Bumblebee was reversed his feet and legs came from the front end, and his arms came out from the drive axels in the rear and the head came from the engine compartment (as beatles were rear engine cars like Toyota MR2's and Pontiac Fiaro's)
man, how can you people say he was a sissy! Bumblebee to me was that small beetle with a lot of courage, he was one of my favorite transformers before they turned him into a camaro! I'm not saying the camaro version is bad, all i'm saying is respect the classics
actually.. in Bay's movie he ACTS like herbie! He was comic relief and couldn't even talk without using the radio.. In the cartoon he had balls. He had the short man complex. He was always eager to go in with guns blazing to prove himself but Prime had to stop him. The Camaro version LOOKS cooler but personality wise the movie version is the sissy.
You'll notice this is basically the Jazz transformation, as popularized with an internet video from maybe 2000 where somebody composited a new beetle transforming into a live action bg plate. It's also cute since Porsche and VW are related.
It sounds like that what you "apparent G1 fans" want is a VW bumblebee, forever. Even in the far future, amongst cars in a world like the movie "The Fifth Element" or like the cars in the movie "I Robot". It just does not make any sense.
What would be the point of that? Put a fantastic thing like giant alien robots into a fantastic futuristic setting like those of Fifth Element or I Robot and they become mundane. ;P
you completely missed the whole point i was trying to make. by the way, you contradicted yourself with that comment. thats exactly why you dont like the new transformers over the old because, if i said in the early 80's, about putting them in 2008, a comment close to what i previously said, i would have gotten the same reply, "they would become mundane". But here we are in '09 with a sequel on the way and they fit in still, Why? because they upgraded from hoopties to fit in with new cars
You're point didn't even work to begin with. As long as there are bugs on the streets, there's no plausible reason for a TF to not utilize it.
If 2009 did end up looking like the fantastic futures of I Robot or Fifth Element, yes, they would become mundane. Having a CD player in the car used to be a rare, fancy commodity, and NOW look at it.
actually there's NO plausible reason for a TF to utilize it. If a TF can be ANY car it wants, why the hell would it pick a piece of crap. (we're talkin about car mode here). Because its a stupid robot. Pick a car with better horsepower perhaps? maybe a bigger car so you can be a bigger robot? it goes on and on.
"If a TF can be ANY car it wants, why the hell would it pick a piece of crap."
Because no one's LOOKING at the piece of crap, making it a better disguise. And what are the odds that a '78/'79 camero would pass its 21st century counterpart (which wasn't even on the streets yet) at that precise moment?
"maybe a bigger car so you can be a bigger robot?"
Bumblebee was supposed to be the smallest Autobot to begin with. ;P
he was supposed to be the smallest (originally, in the '80s), but shouldn't it be up to Bumblebee and his Autobot friends to decide to change their alt modes according to the varied situations and circumstances? I mean after a while stayin the same car all the time eventually you'll be made. It wouldnt pass. He did that because of megan fox's remark, and it's hollywood. Can't argue with you on that one.
"whether they're lookin at it or not, they're still not going to assume it's an alien robot, period"
Yes, but neither do they want to draw attention to themselves (at least in theory).
"but shouldn't it be up to Bumblebee and his Autobot friends to decide to change their alt modes according to the varied situations and circumstances?"
That just destroys the usefulness of individuality. What good is Jetfire if Optimus Prime can just transform into a jet at any whim? ;P
think about this. Every car on the streets today could be a TF, and nobody would know, so wtf does it matter what car it picks. i doubt a tf is thinkin, "oh, i better pick this type of car, because humans are actually going to be LOOKING OUT for TF's in the first place". you're entire family could be aliens and you wouldnt know. Bigfoot could be walking around. Lochness could be swimin around right now. People wouldn't be looking for TFs in the first place with all this other phenomenon around.
"i doubt a tf is thinkin, "oh, i better pick this type of car, because humans are actually going to be LOOKING OUT for TF's in the first place"."
No, but picking a less flashy car only lessens the chance that someone will be looking at it. No one's looking for them, but who do you think people are going to notice more; the guy wearing jeans and a t-shirt, or the guy wearing a hot pink leotard, fro wig, and a top hat?
this example comment coming from somebody not only wouldn't make sense, but it also would get them locked in a looney bin. "OMG!! That's a 2010 model car! I've only seen about a hundred of those! IT HAS TO BE A GIANT TRANSFORMING ALIEN ROBOT!!!". and, since TFs are already known for picking "unsuspicious" vehicles, like in the case of the VW bug, wouldn't those be the cars people would be looking at? So wouldn't it be smarter to pick car types that they are not already known to pick? uh huh
look man, maybe i got carried away, didn't mean to insult you, My apologies. I'm tired of arguing, we are just throwin personal opinions at each other with no results on either end. Neither one of us can be right or wrong because we're arguing about cartoons and "hollywood", hollywood rarely does anything to please everybody. And i do agree that he didn't have to smash the bug at bolivias, that was hollywood, I doubt bumblebee would have done that to his former alt mode
"And that just makes it WORSE. What kind of a guardian can Bumblbee be if he's as thin-skinned as that?" I agree with that too, even though it didn't pass for long-time fans it was "supposed" to be funny-then-cool. Like I said not good for old school long time fans, but newer audiences liked it, another "hollywood". And i'm guessing they were just wanting to show bumblebee kinda "showin off" to the kids, I could almost see him grinning under the hood.
maybe they, (hollywood), just wanted the TFs to have more of a human personality so they could relate better with them, like there humor and stuff, i mean they did learn earth's language threw the world wide web, I don't know
"maybe they just wanted the TFs to have more of a human personality so they could relate better with them"
If they wanted that, they wouldn't put so much focus on making them look "alien". Human-like faces, conventional robotics tech, and more dialogue is what was needed for that crucial element. And the internet thing just makes them look dumb. All the terabytes that make up the world wide web, and they didn't catch that cars DON'T belong on neatly furbished little lawns?
pause Michael smiths animation at 0:16 and i see plenty of exposed areas, and goddamn it im sick and tired of arguing with you. You dont like the new Transformers cause you a fan of the old but i know plenty of people who love the new also so lets end this arguing. They are both liked by different groups of people. Now, PLEASE stop arguing, im finished, whatever you reply with, i dont care, this arguement is pointless
Perhaps I'm trying to prove you're wrong, but I'm not shooting myself in the foot by saying how stupid it is to continue this line of conversation while at the same time CONTINUING the conversation and ridiculing who I'm talking to in the process. If you really thought that this was all a matter of opinion and we're all entitled to them no matter how different they may be, you wouldn't try to change my mind like you've been doing.
im finished trying to change your mind, "like you've been doin to me the whole time too", but NO MATTER what I say, or respond with, you constantly come back with a smart aleck remark, and i really don't like people stickin their tongue out at me, just because they think what they just said was some kind of clever "ha ha, i gotcha there!" To me that's just kinda immature. BEFORE YOU REPLY, yes i've been immature. Already said it. No need to tell me that. And i admit your right with this reply
people park there cars on neatly furbished lawns all the time, jesus, i know you dont truely think thats a reasonable arguement. Where i live, i know, people have too many cars and a too narrow road to park it in the street, its in their lawn, god damn. look the fuck around
hey bob, I really enjoyed the long drawn out arguing, and i don't know about you but i'm gettin kinda tired over all this. Let's face it, this is mostly opinions flyin, with a few reasonable remarks here and there, but it's gettin us nowhere, and it's not going to change the evolution of transformers. I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, you're obviously a smart individual, I was just havin a bad day. How about we end this "battle of the TF opinions" on a good note. Truce?
"it's not going to change the evolution of transformers."
It will if these passions remain alive. It's these sort of discussions that feed the imagination that (God willing) will keep the TFs from devolving into an evolutionary hole. Sorry, but a TF movie has to be more intelligent and meaningful than what we've been presented with.
All you are doing is just slammin everything negative comment you can "because you dont like it" period. You nor me has any fuckin clue what they would be like in real life, their aliens, for anyone to think they know, they're arrogant
"Sorry, but a TF movie has to be more intelligent and meaningful than what we've been presented with." Sorry i need to talk with someone more intelligent (and not biased) and meaningful than what i've been presented with. Im done reply all you want, i wont it, i asked you if we could end this and we continue to waste time, you live in the past and i live in the present, i believe in imagination of newer thinks, not dwell on keep bringing old shit back, how do you think we evolve as a species?
By constantly pushing ourselves. The quality of the original cartoon is open to debate, but you can't deny by looking at the spin-offs and comics that it generated that it has since evolved into something far richer than what it was. The movie had the potential to be something amazing like the original Star Wars trilogy, but instead it was reverted to a 2.5 hour long novelty special effects showcase with no thought behind it whatsoever.
"hey bob, I really enjoyed the long drawn out arguing, and i don't know about you but i'm gettin kinda tired over all this. I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, you're obviously a smart individual, I was just havin a bad day. How about we end this "battle of the TF opinions" on a good note. Truce?" did this part of the reply totally slip from your comment radar?
maybe my lack of replying is due to a weakness i have, and you just seem to know just the right buttons to push, i didn't necessarily mean to stop communicating whatsoever, just stop arguing, thats one reason i keep replying. I've said many things on your behalf to try and diffuse the situation without cutting off communications with you. Believe it or not i actually enjoyed the "debating" just not the arguing, and yes maybe i was the one doing most of the arguing.
"If you don't want to be a part of this conversation, what are you still doing here?" I'm still here because i like "talking" to smart ppl. Does it HAVE to continue on with TFs, why can't we talk about something we can agree on, or talk as just friends (although you prob dont want to considering my insults) And i know "Im sorry" only works once, I just have a short fuse, BIG weakness in me. but i regret the insults still. as far as TFs go "your right, and I'm wrong". you win.
as far as proving that I have a life to get back to, why don't you prove that everything your saying is fact and not opinion. I'm simply givin you my opinion, I admit that, you know what your sayin is opinions, but you act like its cold, hard facts, and their not. I tried to stop arguing with you, my dumbass made it to where every comment i get or reply goes directly to my Gmail, so I am just gettin a little tired of everytime I open it, there's bob, so please, let's stop the drawn out arguing
and yes apparantly I can still see these comments, huhh, by the way about 90% of my questions were rhetoricle (however you spell it). They didnt need an answer
Im just going to say that i hope everything TF related works out for you in the future in some way, i really do. Maybe they'll make a new animated series that's based on the criteria you want, but i highly doubt they're going to change the direction of the movies, since the first one is already out, the second one is already made, and they already planned for the third (supposedly, i think) - all opinion, not trying to prove you wrong in any way,
the main reason i said this argument is pointless, is because it's pointless "for me". I feel like a moron arguing about something that is already the way i like it and already movin in the direction that "I like". Your arguments are not pointless because you have a lot of passion for TFs and want to see it go the direction you think is right, I respect that. but since I love anything TF related (regaurdless on whether you believe me, after hearing my past arguing) I just want them to be around
i just want to say everyone has their personal preferences, there is A LOT of people in this world with different likes and dislikes, i dont think its fair to anybody that doesn't like the way they are now, but i think you can agree that there is no way for any movie, or video game, to please everyone in the whole world, thats why they shoot for particular audiences. I just happen to fall in the right audience. Maybe I'm stupid, ignorant, feeble minded, whatever, but i like it. Im sry you dont
"i think you can agree that there is no way for any movie, or video game, to please everyone in the whole world, thats why they shoot for particular audiences."
Granted, but why are the TF fans the LAST people they should try to please? Give the movie that the fans want to see first, THEN try to draw in the new audiences.
I obviously don't have as much knowledge about the old TFs as you do, i only based my arguments on research (and faint memories) so I didn't really know that the TF fans (of the old) were the last ppl they tried to please, i thought the new TFs still shared similiar peronalities as the old, and just changed appearance. I say again. I dont know the entire history of them, it's been a long time since i saw the cartoons, so i can only agree with you here
"i thought the new TFs still shared similiar peronalities as the old"
That's why fans are still in a stink about Bumblebee's new alt. mode. When the screenwriters were asked why they changed it to the camero, their response was that they didn't think it mattered so long as they kept true to his character (and the alt. modes more often reflect those characters, hence the initial concern). Then the movie reveals that the only one true to their character is MAYBE Optimus Prime.
I would enjoy a TF movie based on the old just to kinda be "enlightened", guess that's the word. Maybe I'm just too passionate for the new TFs after have forgotten the old, like, it brought out the kid in me or something (maybe explain my immaturity recently) j/k, there's no excuse. This may sound cheesy and childish, but our family broke up a long time ago, and when i first saw the new TF movie, Optimus was like the father i no longer had, and bumblebee was like the brother i no longer had
"Optimus was like the father i no longer had, and bumblebee was like the brother i no longer had"
Yes! These characters actually TOUCHED you on a personal level. I wouldn't be so vocally against this movie (unlike other disappointing flicks which I can usually let go or ignore) if I wasn't so confused about how so many people can just accept it for taking this beloved property and representing it as a hollow shell of what it's meant to be.
Yes, that's a complimentary statement. To spout the cliche, you see that these alien robots are much more than meets the eye, as should everyone coming fresh into the franchise. The new folks should have gone into it thinking they were going to get nothing but an explosive CG fest, only to be completely blown away by the unexpected cinematic experience that presented itself to them.
"taking this beloved property and representing it as a hollow shell of what it's meant to be." I kinda understand now because i can relate that to my ULTIMATE hobbie, gaming. Franchises (which i have stuck with since day one), Resident Evil, Onimusha, Silent Hill, Devil May Cry, and many others. Not neccesarilly relating to those specific franchises, but a few others, I prefer the way it started and "to me" was meant to be, but they change them so much over time, they seem to get emptier
the thing is I was not aware that the screenwriters were trying to CONTINUE from the old TFs, I made the mistake of assuming they were making a NEW generation, rather than, you know, that's kinda crap that they said they were continuing the tfs the way they were and then them just throwing them on screen so dramatically different than they originally proposed, thnx for the enlightenment on that
"I was not aware that the screenwriters were trying to CONTINUE from the old TFs"
What they were doing is just confusing. The way the story is set up, it very well COULD be a new incarnation of TF (which most fans probably wouldn't mind so much), but then they toss in a LOT of G1-exclusive elements, like Peter Cullen, the Witwickies, and an entirely G1 Autobot cast (to name a few). Why include all those G1 elements if you're not going to go all the way? ;P
i have 2 questions to ask u, if it's okay. waht about sector 7? how did they play a role in the old, i don't remember them at all. And, more importantly, what about this "original 13" i keep hearin about. Supposidly, The Fallen is one of them?
Sector 7 is a completely new element to the TF universe, and it was created as a means of providing exposition and cutting expensive TF facetime. Of course if the robot designs were more simplistic and less costly, maybe we'd be able to see the juxtaposition of Autobots and Decepticons telling their respective stories instead of relying on human 3rd person accounts. Like Bumblebee's broken (then magically fixed out of nowhere) voice box, it's a dead indicator of the writers' lack of imagination.
I'll give props to ILM and their virtually photorealistic work. That's about it, sadly. :( Putting all personal fandom aside, I can't even enjoy it purley from the cinematic side of it.
As for the original 13, I need to brush up on THAT particular piece of TF knowledge. If memory serves me, they were involved in the creation of Cybertron (or something) in the early comic books. But again, I could be wrong. For all we know, "The Fallen" could simply be Megatron coming back from the dead and seeking revenge, while the rest of us are being titillated with this false sign of source material respect. ;P
i watched the old cartoons, just sadly can't remember most of it. I remember certain things that really got me. Like who could forget when optimus sacrificed himself to save earth from unicron. I remember a bad ass battle between Optimus and Galvatron. And one of the most epic moments (that i can remember, and besides optimus' sacrifice) is the battle between Starscream and Galvatron, when optimus was watching, and starscream run into galvatrons blade, and ultimately gets vaporized by unicron..
I think what you just watched there was Transformers Armada or Transformers Cybertron. Prime never sacrificed himself to save Earth from Unicron in the OLD cartoon. *lol*
lol, i know that wasn't G1, it was whichever come first out of armada and cybertron. I was simply stating only what i can remember, i was born in '84 after all, the starscream battle against megatron was in the same generation
the ONLY thing i can remember (if memory serves ME well) in the "OLD" cartoon (i assume you refer to g1, because theyre all "old" to me) is just ONE battle where optimus gets owned by megatron and two autobots, I think "hot shot" was one of them, flips over Tidal Wave, and optimus rollin with the trailer attached and he bursts into the air while transforming, flips and shoots like 5 or 6 decepticons before he hits the ground right in front of the camera
I'ts Armada i think i like the best, still Peter cullen is better for optimus, but i like galvatron's voice and voice work as well as starcsream's, and i like the more detailed design of the TFs in general in Armada, and the fight scenes. I HATE energon or cybertron (or both) , whichever has the crappy cg, and very bad fighting (to me)
and i get the hint, and i didnt "just watch it here". I remebered those scenes too faintly and wanted to see them again to refresh my memory (cause those some of my favorite parts, of any generation) and i figured "youtube" would be the place to do that
don't have clip yet, i would have, but it was going to be a TF CG made one (based on the new) and 1- not finished, 2- prob not gonna post it because i'll just get g1 fanboys fillin it with hate comments, 3- (more importantly), PC SUCKS! I've stopped WIP and erased everything 'till I save the funds to build the ultimate PC so i can throw evrything i got into it. I don't want to be limited by PC specs. I will have AMD Phenom x4 2.7 ghz Quad-core, Geforce 9800 gtx(g92) 512 mb, and 4 gigs of ram
Oh no, I didn't mean if you PERSONALLY had any clips to share. I was just asking if there was a link that showed the Starscream/Galvatron fight you were talking about earlier. :P
That may not be the best but it's WAY better than my current one - AMD athlon 64 2.0 ghz (single cole), geforce 6800 125 mb, and 1 gig, <---LMAO, I know, but in a couple weeks, ill have it. And i will start over, finally being able to use some of my favorite graphical elements, like specular lighting, bump mapping, AVI textures, soft shadows, particle effects ALL OUT, high poly counts, you know, and the obvious newer things like parallax mapping and HDRI (new to me anyway)
the dialouge in that sequence was just very well written to me. I thought it was sad when starscream was impaled and tellin galvatron why he respected optimus and then turn to fire a laser at unicron (which didnt even reach him) and showed that sillhouette of starscream getting vaporived. I'll never forget that. pure epic was that scene, to me, and sad
sounds like they made the ultimate mistake in trying to plz 2 different audiences at the same time, i see where your comin from bob. That definitely wasn't a very smart move. They should have either made a completely, totally new incarnation, or went all-out G1. Even though i liked the '07 movie, I agree that they should've went all the way since they put so many g1 elements in there
To sum it up for me. Basicly, I'm just glad they're back in any form or fashion, and they weren't done for in the past. I think fans would be happier if they said to themselves, "I would rather HAVE them as the way they are now, and not WANT them, than to WANT them as the way they were back then and NOT HAVE them at all."
hehe, and in the early 80s, 2009 was thought to be a "fantastic futuristic setting". there is a such thing as making "giant alien robots" MORE fantastic to overcome the futuristic setting. If thats the case though, then i guess when they are on cybertron then theyre mundane right? because isnt cybertron a far more "fantastic futuristic setting " than Fifth Element or I Robot? hmmm
i dont see why you people "obsessed" with the old power ranger like cartoons would just give it a freakin break and join the 21st century. If you dont like the new stuff, dont watch it, and watch your cartoons, but dogging the hell out of everything modern and changed will never achieve you anything except, maybe a good quality "whine". If you want a g1 movie, go to school, learn graphic arts, hire a team, etc. etc., brandish a film company and make your dream g1 motion picture.
Christopher Nolan brought Batman into the 21st century while still keeping him true to what he is meant to be. Why shouldn't the same standards be expected for TF?
First of all the original transformers was early '80s, blocky as hell (basicly lego-men), cheesy JRPG dialogue. How would you bring a cartoon drawn transformer that looks like painted cardboard boxes glued together into a live action movie considering the complexity of a car turning into a robot and fit it into a natural environment with living people without making them function more realisticly robotic mechanics, you know, pistons, hydraulics, kneumatics, or however you spell it.
"How would you bring a cartoon drawn transformer that looks like painted cardboard boxes glued together into a live action movie"
Very easily, as many CG artists have proven. And they don't even have to be "boxy". Several TFs on the original cartoon and in Beast Wars were much more rounded, but they still looked like they're classic TF boxy counterparts. All the robotic bits are covered in ARMOR, as they should be. How is that less realistic than animated humanoid piles of random clutter?
"animated humanoid piles of clutter". thank you for finally revealing your intelligence level. Do you work at ILM? No. So how do you know anything about their 3d models? do a little research and you'll find out that every moving car panel has a place on the robot. I'm sorry that it's too complicated for your mind to understand. I guess that old saying "simple things amuse simple minds" still holds true. Try thinking "logically", which i noticed you ignored the logical parts of my replies
Second, batman is not even close in comparison of the evolution of the two types. Humans. Vehicles. Compare the evolution of humans from the first Ford model T to humans rollin around in hybrids today. Not much difference in humans. BIG difference in cars. Regardless if GM's just trying to make money, it make more sense for their alt modes to be newer model cars, remember its 2009, not 1980's. I dont think a transformer pinto would be "in disguise" around flying cars in the future.
"Not much difference in humans. BIG difference in cars."
Perhaps, but why should the look of Batman be that dramatically different just because of the advances in crime-fighting technology since 1939?
"I dont think a transformer pinto would be "in disguise" around flying cars in the future."
Is transforming into the sexiest piece of eye candy available somehow a more effective disguise? Who's going to think that a robot soldier is going to hide in a VW bug? No one.
you don't think a VW bug rollin around on wheels by itself among no other cars (because the rest are using some gravity defying engine flying around) is going to stand out like a sore thumb?
How do you know that an alien robot is too complicated for their own good, what if THEY think they are not complicated (or advanced) enough. Look how complicated a mars rover is. You don't think a "car" that is complicated as is, that transforms into a "robot" with functional weopons and moves with acrobatics which would be very complicated "by itself" after combining "car" and "alien robot", you dont think it equate to ultra complicated?
lol that was kinda funny in a way, i know the robotics rule, but even the simplest of designs are pretty complicated for ordinary people. For the TFs to move with such acrobatics, places such as joints, pivot points, whatever, would have to be exposed, wouldn't they?
Ah, but see, that's the whole point. What's more cool than seeing something as insignificant-looking as a bug rise to the challenge and kick some Decepticon ass? >:D
That's how I felt. "David and Goliath", to root for the lil' guy. They could've used something more modest from GM, something more BUMBLEBEE. How about some contrast, like cars that reflect the character like they used to. Nope, tis all about new cars to sell.
I am so glad that for the 2007 movie they didn't make Bumblebee 'the little guy'...they made him an accomplished Autobot spy..instead of the usual teenage bot with Prime hero worship
But that was always Bumblebee's character. Him being that accomplished in such a small, "insignificant" form would only make him all the more impressive.
Paramount had nothing to do with it. Micheal Bay just wanted to have a camero in the movie. Why did he give that car to Bumblebee instead of doing the artistically correct thing and giving the camero mode to someone like Sunstreaker?
ok let me repharse that. The people who made the movie didn't get permision from VW to use the bug. They wanted to but didn't. You can't make a movie and put in what ever car you like and not get permision for it. You'll get sued if you do that.
They should have pushed for as many auto investors as possible. It's more artistically correct for the Autobots to scan whatever vehicles they could instead of making it look like a huge GM commercial, and MAYBE Bay would have enough money to buy the Autobots more screentime like he claims he originally wanted.
Bob is right actually, Bay said in a video interview that when he saw the concept Camero that he wanted Bumblebee to be that. Whether people agree with that decision is a different story. It had nothing to do with rights to VW. It's all about GM. Variety is better, it's like the Autobots only shopped at GM for scanning their alt modes? FTW?
And I very much doubt that they'd be concerned with their association with war machines (on the sides of the GOOD GUYS??) before an obvious cash cow like a TF movie anyway. ;P
Oh, and how is it a "nod" to the original Bumblebee VW by having the Camero smash it up? Sounds like brand rivalry to me! ;) Driving next to it would've been good enough, but it's not an homage when you destroy the original.
Having Adam West in a cameo in Tim Burton's Batman would be a nod (which SO should have happened). Having Stan Lee appear in all of the Marvel movies is a nod. Having Capt. Barbossa say a bunch of lines from the Pirates of the Caribbean rise is a nod.
Having the camero smack the bug and then blow it up with a sonic burst is a smack in the face. >:P
hi i love it and BTW can i use the sound fx ??
TheOnlyNaveen 7 months ago
lol i said slugbug and hit someone
truckboy14 7 months ago
Ahaa Transformers is Just a huge ass commercial for gm if you notice lmao
TheDDconnection 1 year ago
Ummm No-- the origenal beatle model for Bumblebee was reversed his feet and legs came from the front end, and his arms came out from the drive axels in the rear and the head came from the engine compartment (as beatles were rear engine cars like Toyota MR2's and Pontiac Fiaro's)
Strength83 1 year ago
@Strength83 haha you know your stuff ; )
RaizeMedia 1 year ago
suck like a bullshit
69boyZLeo 1 year ago
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godzillafanable 1 year ago
suck cock.!
KindHearted95 2 years ago
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godzillafanable 1 year ago
would have been nice if he acctualy stayed with his roots and remaind a bug.
herbienbrian 2 years ago
I agree hello what software did you use and can it be done on actual people?
bluefurr 2 years ago
what software do you use?
jaowseph 2 years ago
haha g1
MightyMikeincgallant 2 years ago
man, how can you people say he was a sissy! Bumblebee to me was that small beetle with a lot of courage, he was one of my favorite transformers before they turned him into a camaro! I'm not saying the camaro version is bad, all i'm saying is respect the classics
Legoanimaniac922 2 years ago
you make him look like a sissy
TheCoolskaterboy 2 years ago
he is a sissy lmao
NonDairyCreamer77 2 years ago
so he was a beetle before? nice. but i rather camaro lol sorry, i didnt watch the cartoon.
JerryAmoz 2 years ago
In the movie its a camaro because Michael Bay doesn't want it to mix up with Disneys Herbie (Herbie is a beetle too)
doenervich 2 years ago
o,o herbie is a beetle? wow. i thouth it was the past version of volkswagen or he u write it haha.
well
JerryAmoz 2 years ago
Volkswagen made beetle...
doenervich 2 years ago
i know.. i mean the old ones, dont know the namehere theyre bochos or pulguitas rofl.
JerryAmoz 2 years ago
actually.. in Bay's movie he ACTS like herbie! He was comic relief and couldn't even talk without using the radio.. In the cartoon he had balls. He had the short man complex. He was always eager to go in with guns blazing to prove himself but Prime had to stop him. The Camaro version LOOKS cooler but personality wise the movie version is the sissy.
brandon9271 2 years ago
and because beetles are gay
inferno2080 2 years ago
Actually VW refused to let them use any of their vehicles.
chillyche 2 years ago
I think a VW beetle would suit him more because he has a cute name like Bumblebee...but I still like the camaro.
odysseylvr 2 years ago
i was thinking that Bumblebee is a Camaro
stuntman12PL 2 years ago
thats not how he transformed..the front of the car became his feet and the roof of the car was his chest.
M3TR01DFANBOY 2 years ago
You'll notice this is basically the Jazz transformation, as popularized with an internet video from maybe 2000 where somebody composited a new beetle transforming into a live action bg plate. It's also cute since Porsche and VW are related.
chillyche 2 years ago
OK, since when did Bumblebee change to a volkswagon bug?
jackjackjackman75 2 years ago
Ummm didnt u watch the original transformers and not the beast wars but the old cartoon from the 80s and on a side note soundwave kicks ass
catnipassian 2 years ago
lol
AyTownAffiliate 2 years ago
look up G1 transformers.jackass dont comment on something you know noting about
autobot552 2 years ago
uh since the beginning...
K1LlZoN3 2 years ago
scince 1984
brohouzer 2 years ago
Since when?
Since he was created, that's original.
The Camaro was only in the movie.
SoggyThoughts 2 years ago
since 1984
laydeesman217 2 years ago
It sounds like that what you "apparent G1 fans" want is a VW bumblebee, forever. Even in the far future, amongst cars in a world like the movie "The Fifth Element" or like the cars in the movie "I Robot". It just does not make any sense.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
What would be the point of that? Put a fantastic thing like giant alien robots into a fantastic futuristic setting like those of Fifth Element or I Robot and they become mundane. ;P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
you completely missed the whole point i was trying to make. by the way, you contradicted yourself with that comment. thats exactly why you dont like the new transformers over the old because, if i said in the early 80's, about putting them in 2008, a comment close to what i previously said, i would have gotten the same reply, "they would become mundane". But here we are in '09 with a sequel on the way and they fit in still, Why? because they upgraded from hoopties to fit in with new cars
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
You're point didn't even work to begin with. As long as there are bugs on the streets, there's no plausible reason for a TF to not utilize it.
If 2009 did end up looking like the fantastic futures of I Robot or Fifth Element, yes, they would become mundane. Having a CD player in the car used to be a rare, fancy commodity, and NOW look at it.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
actually there's NO plausible reason for a TF to utilize it. If a TF can be ANY car it wants, why the hell would it pick a piece of crap. (we're talkin about car mode here). Because its a stupid robot. Pick a car with better horsepower perhaps? maybe a bigger car so you can be a bigger robot? it goes on and on.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"If a TF can be ANY car it wants, why the hell would it pick a piece of crap."
Because no one's LOOKING at the piece of crap, making it a better disguise. And what are the odds that a '78/'79 camero would pass its 21st century counterpart (which wasn't even on the streets yet) at that precise moment?
"maybe a bigger car so you can be a bigger robot?"
Bumblebee was supposed to be the smallest Autobot to begin with. ;P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
he was supposed to be the smallest (originally, in the '80s), but shouldn't it be up to Bumblebee and his Autobot friends to decide to change their alt modes according to the varied situations and circumstances? I mean after a while stayin the same car all the time eventually you'll be made. It wouldnt pass. He did that because of megan fox's remark, and it's hollywood. Can't argue with you on that one.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"whether they're lookin at it or not, they're still not going to assume it's an alien robot, period"
Yes, but neither do they want to draw attention to themselves (at least in theory).
"but shouldn't it be up to Bumblebee and his Autobot friends to decide to change their alt modes according to the varied situations and circumstances?"
That just destroys the usefulness of individuality. What good is Jetfire if Optimus Prime can just transform into a jet at any whim? ;P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
think about this. Every car on the streets today could be a TF, and nobody would know, so wtf does it matter what car it picks. i doubt a tf is thinkin, "oh, i better pick this type of car, because humans are actually going to be LOOKING OUT for TF's in the first place". you're entire family could be aliens and you wouldnt know. Bigfoot could be walking around. Lochness could be swimin around right now. People wouldn't be looking for TFs in the first place with all this other phenomenon around.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"i doubt a tf is thinkin, "oh, i better pick this type of car, because humans are actually going to be LOOKING OUT for TF's in the first place"."
No, but picking a less flashy car only lessens the chance that someone will be looking at it. No one's looking for them, but who do you think people are going to notice more; the guy wearing jeans and a t-shirt, or the guy wearing a hot pink leotard, fro wig, and a top hat?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
whether they're lookin at it or not, they're still not going to assume it's an alien robot, period
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
this example comment coming from somebody not only wouldn't make sense, but it also would get them locked in a looney bin. "OMG!! That's a 2010 model car! I've only seen about a hundred of those! IT HAS TO BE A GIANT TRANSFORMING ALIEN ROBOT!!!". and, since TFs are already known for picking "unsuspicious" vehicles, like in the case of the VW bug, wouldn't those be the cars people would be looking at? So wouldn't it be smarter to pick car types that they are not already known to pick? uh huh
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
And go ahead and disagree with me all you want, but throwing around insults doesn't help you.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
look man, maybe i got carried away, didn't mean to insult you, My apologies. I'm tired of arguing, we are just throwin personal opinions at each other with no results on either end. Neither one of us can be right or wrong because we're arguing about cartoons and "hollywood", hollywood rarely does anything to please everybody. And i do agree that he didn't have to smash the bug at bolivias, that was hollywood, I doubt bumblebee would have done that to his former alt mode
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"He did that because of megan fox's remark"
And that just makes it WORSE. What kind of a guardian can Bumblbee be if he's as thin-skinned as that?
"I doubt bumblebee would have done that to his former alt mode"
They expect us to accept that as an "homage"? Ugh.... ;P
Apology accepted.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
No, I totally agree, that was an insult not an homage, "hollywood"
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"And that just makes it WORSE. What kind of a guardian can Bumblbee be if he's as thin-skinned as that?" I agree with that too, even though it didn't pass for long-time fans it was "supposed" to be funny-then-cool. Like I said not good for old school long time fans, but newer audiences liked it, another "hollywood". And i'm guessing they were just wanting to show bumblebee kinda "showin off" to the kids, I could almost see him grinning under the hood.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
maybe they, (hollywood), just wanted the TFs to have more of a human personality so they could relate better with them, like there humor and stuff, i mean they did learn earth's language threw the world wide web, I don't know
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"maybe they just wanted the TFs to have more of a human personality so they could relate better with them"
If they wanted that, they wouldn't put so much focus on making them look "alien". Human-like faces, conventional robotics tech, and more dialogue is what was needed for that crucial element. And the internet thing just makes them look dumb. All the terabytes that make up the world wide web, and they didn't catch that cars DON'T belong on neatly furbished little lawns?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
pause Michael smiths animation at 0:16 and i see plenty of exposed areas, and goddamn it im sick and tired of arguing with you. You dont like the new Transformers cause you a fan of the old but i know plenty of people who love the new also so lets end this arguing. They are both liked by different groups of people. Now, PLEASE stop arguing, im finished, whatever you reply with, i dont care, this arguement is pointless
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"i see plenty of exposed areasAnd for every bit of exposure, there's MORE of it that's covered up as it should be.
"this arguement is pointless"
Is that why you're keeping it going with multiple replies at a time?
"i know you dont truely think thats a reasonable arguement"
You "know" incorrectly.
"You nor me has any fuckin clue what they would be like in real life, their aliens, for anyone to think they know, they're arrogant"
Yet here you are, constantly trying to prove me wrong.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
aren't you constantly trying to prove me wrong too?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Perhaps I'm trying to prove you're wrong, but I'm not shooting myself in the foot by saying how stupid it is to continue this line of conversation while at the same time CONTINUING the conversation and ridiculing who I'm talking to in the process. If you really thought that this was all a matter of opinion and we're all entitled to them no matter how different they may be, you wouldn't try to change my mind like you've been doing.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
im finished trying to change your mind, "like you've been doin to me the whole time too", but NO MATTER what I say, or respond with, you constantly come back with a smart aleck remark, and i really don't like people stickin their tongue out at me, just because they think what they just said was some kind of clever "ha ha, i gotcha there!" To me that's just kinda immature. BEFORE YOU REPLY, yes i've been immature. Already said it. No need to tell me that. And i admit your right with this reply
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
people park there cars on neatly furbished lawns all the time, jesus, i know you dont truely think thats a reasonable arguement. Where i live, i know, people have too many cars and a too narrow road to park it in the street, its in their lawn, god damn. look the fuck around
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
hey bob, I really enjoyed the long drawn out arguing, and i don't know about you but i'm gettin kinda tired over all this. Let's face it, this is mostly opinions flyin, with a few reasonable remarks here and there, but it's gettin us nowhere, and it's not going to change the evolution of transformers. I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, you're obviously a smart individual, I was just havin a bad day. How about we end this "battle of the TF opinions" on a good note. Truce?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"it's not going to change the evolution of transformers."
It will if these passions remain alive. It's these sort of discussions that feed the imagination that (God willing) will keep the TFs from devolving into an evolutionary hole. Sorry, but a TF movie has to be more intelligent and meaningful than what we've been presented with.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
All you are doing is just slammin everything negative comment you can "because you dont like it" period. You nor me has any fuckin clue what they would be like in real life, their aliens, for anyone to think they know, they're arrogant
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"Sorry, but a TF movie has to be more intelligent and meaningful than what we've been presented with." Sorry i need to talk with someone more intelligent (and not biased) and meaningful than what i've been presented with. Im done reply all you want, i wont it, i asked you if we could end this and we continue to waste time, you live in the past and i live in the present, i believe in imagination of newer thinks, not dwell on keep bringing old shit back, how do you think we evolve as a species?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"how do you think we evolve as a species?"
By constantly pushing ourselves. The quality of the original cartoon is open to debate, but you can't deny by looking at the spin-offs and comics that it generated that it has since evolved into something far richer than what it was. The movie had the potential to be something amazing like the original Star Wars trilogy, but instead it was reverted to a 2.5 hour long novelty special effects showcase with no thought behind it whatsoever.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
"we must learn from the past so the past doesnt repeat itself"
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
"information is not knowledge" and i meant to say reply all you want, i wont see it, im finished. i have a fuckin life to get back to
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"im finished. i have a fuckin life to get back to"
Prove it.
(Again with the insults? ;P)
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
"hey bob, I really enjoyed the long drawn out arguing, and i don't know about you but i'm gettin kinda tired over all this. I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, you're obviously a smart individual, I was just havin a bad day. How about we end this "battle of the TF opinions" on a good note. Truce?" did this part of the reply totally slip from your comment radar?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"did this part of the reply totally slip from your comment radar?"
No, it didn't. If you don't want to be a part of this conversation, what are you still doing here?
"as far as proving that I have a life to get back to, why don't you prove that everything your saying is fact and not opinion."
When I proposed that you prove that you have a life to get back to, all that would have sufficed is a lack of replying. ;P
As for fact VS. opinion, what do you need clarified?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
maybe my lack of replying is due to a weakness i have, and you just seem to know just the right buttons to push, i didn't necessarily mean to stop communicating whatsoever, just stop arguing, thats one reason i keep replying. I've said many things on your behalf to try and diffuse the situation without cutting off communications with you. Believe it or not i actually enjoyed the "debating" just not the arguing, and yes maybe i was the one doing most of the arguing.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"If you don't want to be a part of this conversation, what are you still doing here?" I'm still here because i like "talking" to smart ppl. Does it HAVE to continue on with TFs, why can't we talk about something we can agree on, or talk as just friends (although you prob dont want to considering my insults) And i know "Im sorry" only works once, I just have a short fuse, BIG weakness in me. but i regret the insults still. as far as TFs go "your right, and I'm wrong". you win.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
as far as proving that I have a life to get back to, why don't you prove that everything your saying is fact and not opinion. I'm simply givin you my opinion, I admit that, you know what your sayin is opinions, but you act like its cold, hard facts, and their not. I tried to stop arguing with you, my dumbass made it to where every comment i get or reply goes directly to my Gmail, so I am just gettin a little tired of everytime I open it, there's bob, so please, let's stop the drawn out arguing
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
and yes apparantly I can still see these comments, huhh, by the way about 90% of my questions were rhetoricle (however you spell it). They didnt need an answer
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Im just going to say that i hope everything TF related works out for you in the future in some way, i really do. Maybe they'll make a new animated series that's based on the criteria you want, but i highly doubt they're going to change the direction of the movies, since the first one is already out, the second one is already made, and they already planned for the third (supposedly, i think) - all opinion, not trying to prove you wrong in any way,
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
the main reason i said this argument is pointless, is because it's pointless "for me". I feel like a moron arguing about something that is already the way i like it and already movin in the direction that "I like". Your arguments are not pointless because you have a lot of passion for TFs and want to see it go the direction you think is right, I respect that. but since I love anything TF related (regaurdless on whether you believe me, after hearing my past arguing) I just want them to be around
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
i just want to say everyone has their personal preferences, there is A LOT of people in this world with different likes and dislikes, i dont think its fair to anybody that doesn't like the way they are now, but i think you can agree that there is no way for any movie, or video game, to please everyone in the whole world, thats why they shoot for particular audiences. I just happen to fall in the right audience. Maybe I'm stupid, ignorant, feeble minded, whatever, but i like it. Im sry you dont
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"i think you can agree that there is no way for any movie, or video game, to please everyone in the whole world, thats why they shoot for particular audiences."
Granted, but why are the TF fans the LAST people they should try to please? Give the movie that the fans want to see first, THEN try to draw in the new audiences.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
I obviously don't have as much knowledge about the old TFs as you do, i only based my arguments on research (and faint memories) so I didn't really know that the TF fans (of the old) were the last ppl they tried to please, i thought the new TFs still shared similiar peronalities as the old, and just changed appearance. I say again. I dont know the entire history of them, it's been a long time since i saw the cartoons, so i can only agree with you here
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"i thought the new TFs still shared similiar peronalities as the old"
That's why fans are still in a stink about Bumblebee's new alt. mode. When the screenwriters were asked why they changed it to the camero, their response was that they didn't think it mattered so long as they kept true to his character (and the alt. modes more often reflect those characters, hence the initial concern). Then the movie reveals that the only one true to their character is MAYBE Optimus Prime.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
ah, i see :)
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
I would enjoy a TF movie based on the old just to kinda be "enlightened", guess that's the word. Maybe I'm just too passionate for the new TFs after have forgotten the old, like, it brought out the kid in me or something (maybe explain my immaturity recently) j/k, there's no excuse. This may sound cheesy and childish, but our family broke up a long time ago, and when i first saw the new TF movie, Optimus was like the father i no longer had, and bumblebee was like the brother i no longer had
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"Optimus was like the father i no longer had, and bumblebee was like the brother i no longer had"
Yes! These characters actually TOUCHED you on a personal level. I wouldn't be so vocally against this movie (unlike other disappointing flicks which I can usually let go or ignore) if I wasn't so confused about how so many people can just accept it for taking this beloved property and representing it as a hollow shell of what it's meant to be.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
"Yes! These characters actually TOUCHED you on a personal level."
Is that a complimentary statement? I hope?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Yes, that's a complimentary statement. To spout the cliche, you see that these alien robots are much more than meets the eye, as should everyone coming fresh into the franchise. The new folks should have gone into it thinking they were going to get nothing but an explosive CG fest, only to be completely blown away by the unexpected cinematic experience that presented itself to them.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
"taking this beloved property and representing it as a hollow shell of what it's meant to be." I kinda understand now because i can relate that to my ULTIMATE hobbie, gaming. Franchises (which i have stuck with since day one), Resident Evil, Onimusha, Silent Hill, Devil May Cry, and many others. Not neccesarilly relating to those specific franchises, but a few others, I prefer the way it started and "to me" was meant to be, but they change them so much over time, they seem to get emptier
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
the thing is I was not aware that the screenwriters were trying to CONTINUE from the old TFs, I made the mistake of assuming they were making a NEW generation, rather than, you know, that's kinda crap that they said they were continuing the tfs the way they were and then them just throwing them on screen so dramatically different than they originally proposed, thnx for the enlightenment on that
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"I was not aware that the screenwriters were trying to CONTINUE from the old TFs"
What they were doing is just confusing. The way the story is set up, it very well COULD be a new incarnation of TF (which most fans probably wouldn't mind so much), but then they toss in a LOT of G1-exclusive elements, like Peter Cullen, the Witwickies, and an entirely G1 Autobot cast (to name a few). Why include all those G1 elements if you're not going to go all the way? ;P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
that is true. I didnt know the witwickies were in G1 though! what role did they play!?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Spike Witwicky and his dad (who also looks exactly like the guy playing him the '07 movie) were the main human characters.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
Ha! i can faintly remember what the dad looked like, thats crazy, and he did!
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
i have 2 questions to ask u, if it's okay. waht about sector 7? how did they play a role in the old, i don't remember them at all. And, more importantly, what about this "original 13" i keep hearin about. Supposidly, The Fallen is one of them?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Sector 7 is a completely new element to the TF universe, and it was created as a means of providing exposition and cutting expensive TF facetime. Of course if the robot designs were more simplistic and less costly, maybe we'd be able to see the juxtaposition of Autobots and Decepticons telling their respective stories instead of relying on human 3rd person accounts. Like Bumblebee's broken (then magically fixed out of nowhere) voice box, it's a dead indicator of the writers' lack of imagination.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
u obviously HATE the new movie, is there anything good AT ALL you got from it?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
I'll give props to ILM and their virtually photorealistic work. That's about it, sadly. :( Putting all personal fandom aside, I can't even enjoy it purley from the cinematic side of it.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
sorry you didnt get what ya wanted buddy, i have faith you will soon enough though :)
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
As for the original 13, I need to brush up on THAT particular piece of TF knowledge. If memory serves me, they were involved in the creation of Cybertron (or something) in the early comic books. But again, I could be wrong. For all we know, "The Fallen" could simply be Megatron coming back from the dead and seeking revenge, while the rest of us are being titillated with this false sign of source material respect. ;P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
i watched the old cartoons, just sadly can't remember most of it. I remember certain things that really got me. Like who could forget when optimus sacrificed himself to save earth from unicron. I remember a bad ass battle between Optimus and Galvatron. And one of the most epic moments (that i can remember, and besides optimus' sacrifice) is the battle between Starscream and Galvatron, when optimus was watching, and starscream run into galvatrons blade, and ultimately gets vaporized by unicron..
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
I think what you just watched there was Transformers Armada or Transformers Cybertron. Prime never sacrificed himself to save Earth from Unicron in the OLD cartoon. *lol*
Got a clip to share?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
lol, i know that wasn't G1, it was whichever come first out of armada and cybertron. I was simply stating only what i can remember, i was born in '84 after all, the starscream battle against megatron was in the same generation
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
the ONLY thing i can remember (if memory serves ME well) in the "OLD" cartoon (i assume you refer to g1, because theyre all "old" to me) is just ONE battle where optimus gets owned by megatron and two autobots, I think "hot shot" was one of them, flips over Tidal Wave, and optimus rollin with the trailer attached and he bursts into the air while transforming, flips and shoots like 5 or 6 decepticons before he hits the ground right in front of the camera
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Tidal Wave is an Armada creation, but the scene you're talking about here sounds like Prime's final battle from the '86 movie.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
damn, i must not remember g1 at all :(
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
I'ts Armada i think i like the best, still Peter cullen is better for optimus, but i like galvatron's voice and voice work as well as starcsream's, and i like the more detailed design of the TFs in general in Armada, and the fight scenes. I HATE energon or cybertron (or both) , whichever has the crappy cg, and very bad fighting (to me)
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
and i get the hint, and i didnt "just watch it here". I remebered those scenes too faintly and wanted to see them again to refresh my memory (cause those some of my favorite parts, of any generation) and i figured "youtube" would be the place to do that
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
don't have clip yet, i would have, but it was going to be a TF CG made one (based on the new) and 1- not finished, 2- prob not gonna post it because i'll just get g1 fanboys fillin it with hate comments, 3- (more importantly), PC SUCKS! I've stopped WIP and erased everything 'till I save the funds to build the ultimate PC so i can throw evrything i got into it. I don't want to be limited by PC specs. I will have AMD Phenom x4 2.7 ghz Quad-core, Geforce 9800 gtx(g92) 512 mb, and 4 gigs of ram
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Oh no, I didn't mean if you PERSONALLY had any clips to share. I was just asking if there was a link that showed the Starscream/Galvatron fight you were talking about earlier. :P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
yeah ill get it for ya
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
That may not be the best but it's WAY better than my current one - AMD athlon 64 2.0 ghz (single cole), geforce 6800 125 mb, and 1 gig, <---LMAO, I know, but in a couple weeks, ill have it. And i will start over, finally being able to use some of my favorite graphical elements, like specular lighting, bump mapping, AVI textures, soft shadows, particle effects ALL OUT, high poly counts, you know, and the obvious newer things like parallax mapping and HDRI (new to me anyway)
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
And FAST RENDER TIMES, JEEZ! That's what kills me
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
the dialouge in that sequence was just very well written to me. I thought it was sad when starscream was impaled and tellin galvatron why he respected optimus and then turn to fire a laser at unicron (which didnt even reach him) and showed that sillhouette of starscream getting vaporived. I'll never forget that. pure epic was that scene, to me, and sad
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
sounds like they made the ultimate mistake in trying to plz 2 different audiences at the same time, i see where your comin from bob. That definitely wasn't a very smart move. They should have either made a completely, totally new incarnation, or went all-out G1. Even though i liked the '07 movie, I agree that they should've went all the way since they put so many g1 elements in there
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
To sum it up for me. Basicly, I'm just glad they're back in any form or fashion, and they weren't done for in the past. I think fans would be happier if they said to themselves, "I would rather HAVE them as the way they are now, and not WANT them, than to WANT them as the way they were back then and NOT HAVE them at all."
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"I would rather HAVE them as the way they are now, and not WANT them, than to WANT them as the way they were back then and NOT HAVE them at all."
There's always the future. And believe you me; the fans WILL get them as they want them. >:)
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
since the newer audience got what they wanted now, I wish only the best for the fans and hope they get what they want, they especially deserve it now
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
hehe, and in the early 80s, 2009 was thought to be a "fantastic futuristic setting". there is a such thing as making "giant alien robots" MORE fantastic to overcome the futuristic setting. If thats the case though, then i guess when they are on cybertron then theyre mundane right? because isnt cybertron a far more "fantastic futuristic setting " than Fifth Element or I Robot? hmmm
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
i dont see why you people "obsessed" with the old power ranger like cartoons would just give it a freakin break and join the 21st century. If you dont like the new stuff, dont watch it, and watch your cartoons, but dogging the hell out of everything modern and changed will never achieve you anything except, maybe a good quality "whine". If you want a g1 movie, go to school, learn graphic arts, hire a team, etc. etc., brandish a film company and make your dream g1 motion picture.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
I don't "dog" what's new, only what's bad.
Christopher Nolan brought Batman into the 21st century while still keeping him true to what he is meant to be. Why shouldn't the same standards be expected for TF?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
First of all the original transformers was early '80s, blocky as hell (basicly lego-men), cheesy JRPG dialogue. How would you bring a cartoon drawn transformer that looks like painted cardboard boxes glued together into a live action movie considering the complexity of a car turning into a robot and fit it into a natural environment with living people without making them function more realisticly robotic mechanics, you know, pistons, hydraulics, kneumatics, or however you spell it.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"How would you bring a cartoon drawn transformer that looks like painted cardboard boxes glued together into a live action movie"
Very easily, as many CG artists have proven. And they don't even have to be "boxy". Several TFs on the original cartoon and in Beast Wars were much more rounded, but they still looked like they're classic TF boxy counterparts. All the robotic bits are covered in ARMOR, as they should be. How is that less realistic than animated humanoid piles of random clutter?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
"animated humanoid piles of clutter". thank you for finally revealing your intelligence level. Do you work at ILM? No. So how do you know anything about their 3d models? do a little research and you'll find out that every moving car panel has a place on the robot. I'm sorry that it's too complicated for your mind to understand. I guess that old saying "simple things amuse simple minds" still holds true. Try thinking "logically", which i noticed you ignored the logical parts of my replies
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
Second, batman is not even close in comparison of the evolution of the two types. Humans. Vehicles. Compare the evolution of humans from the first Ford model T to humans rollin around in hybrids today. Not much difference in humans. BIG difference in cars. Regardless if GM's just trying to make money, it make more sense for their alt modes to be newer model cars, remember its 2009, not 1980's. I dont think a transformer pinto would be "in disguise" around flying cars in the future.
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
"Not much difference in humans. BIG difference in cars."
Perhaps, but why should the look of Batman be that dramatically different just because of the advances in crime-fighting technology since 1939?
"I dont think a transformer pinto would be "in disguise" around flying cars in the future."
Is transforming into the sexiest piece of eye candy available somehow a more effective disguise? Who's going to think that a robot soldier is going to hide in a VW bug? No one.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
you don't think a VW bug rollin around on wheels by itself among no other cars (because the rest are using some gravity defying engine flying around) is going to stand out like a sore thumb?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
It would, but since we're talking about a future which still has wheeled vehicles, that point is moot.
"how do you know anything about their 3d models?"
By LOOKING at them. It's simple.
"every moving car panel has a place on the robot."
Yes, but why? Why not make them a much simpler package, like any REAL robot would be? It's too complicated for its own good.
"Try thinking "logically", which i noticed you ignored the logical parts of my replies"
What "logical" points where those again?
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
How do you know that an alien robot is too complicated for their own good, what if THEY think they are not complicated (or advanced) enough. Look how complicated a mars rover is. You don't think a "car" that is complicated as is, that transforms into a "robot" with functional weopons and moves with acrobatics which would be very complicated "by itself" after combining "car" and "alien robot", you dont think it equate to ultra complicated?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
1. The universal robotics rule K.I.S.S.; Keep It Simple, Stupid.
2. Simpler designs would afford the TFs more screentime and (with any luck) deeper characterization.
3. The TFs were originally built for commercial purposes, so they'd need a simpler, consumer-friendly appearance.
4. As a race that have been battling for millions of years, they should have their precious internals covered in armor.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
lol that was kinda funny in a way, i know the robotics rule, but even the simplest of designs are pretty complicated for ordinary people. For the TFs to move with such acrobatics, places such as joints, pivot points, whatever, would have to be exposed, wouldn't they?
Gr1mmReap3rT2 2 years ago
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thats awesome but i'd rather see bumblbee in a camrio vs a bug.. i would love to squish all the bugs lol
ailenpangwin 3 years ago
Ah, but see, that's the whole point. What's more cool than seeing something as insignificant-looking as a bug rise to the challenge and kick some Decepticon ass? >:D
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
That's how I felt. "David and Goliath", to root for the lil' guy. They could've used something more modest from GM, something more BUMBLEBEE. How about some contrast, like cars that reflect the character like they used to. Nope, tis all about new cars to sell.
randomusprime 3 years ago 2
I am so glad that for the 2007 movie they didn't make Bumblebee 'the little guy'...they made him an accomplished Autobot spy..instead of the usual teenage bot with Prime hero worship
dragondisaster 3 years ago
But that was always Bumblebee's character. Him being that accomplished in such a small, "insignificant" form would only make him all the more impressive.
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
awesome man!
AbraxasGrey 3 years ago
I STILL fail to see why him being a camero is so "superior" to being a bug.
This is great. :)
Bobzeaux 4 years ago 2
Cause Paramont wasn't able to give them permision to use the bug.
hockeyking13 4 years ago
Paramount had nothing to do with it. Micheal Bay just wanted to have a camero in the movie. Why did he give that car to Bumblebee instead of doing the artistically correct thing and giving the camero mode to someone like Sunstreaker?
Bobzeaux 4 years ago
ok let me repharse that. The people who made the movie didn't get permision from VW to use the bug. They wanted to but didn't. You can't make a movie and put in what ever car you like and not get permision for it. You'll get sued if you do that.
hockeyking13 4 years ago
gm payed mony for theircars incldng camaro on autobots
mcmetolhead 4 years ago
They should have pushed for as many auto investors as possible. It's more artistically correct for the Autobots to scan whatever vehicles they could instead of making it look like a huge GM commercial, and MAYBE Bay would have enough money to buy the Autobots more screentime like he claims he originally wanted.
Bobzeaux 4 years ago
Bob is right actually, Bay said in a video interview that when he saw the concept Camero that he wanted Bumblebee to be that. Whether people agree with that decision is a different story. It had nothing to do with rights to VW. It's all about GM. Variety is better, it's like the Autobots only shopped at GM for scanning their alt modes? FTW?
randomusprime 3 years ago
I always found it just a LITTLE too convenient that VW would want their Beetle (perhaps their most popular car) in the movie as little as Bay did.
BAY:
HeyVW,areyousureyoudon'twanttoseeyourBeetleinmyTransformersmovie?No?Okay,BYE!
And I very much doubt that they'd be concerned with their association with war machines (on the sides of the GOOD GUYS??) before an obvious cash cow like a TF movie anyway. ;P
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
Oh, and how is it a "nod" to the original Bumblebee VW by having the Camero smash it up? Sounds like brand rivalry to me! ;) Driving next to it would've been good enough, but it's not an homage when you destroy the original.
randomusprime 3 years ago
Having Adam West in a cameo in Tim Burton's Batman would be a nod (which SO should have happened). Having Stan Lee appear in all of the Marvel movies is a nod. Having Capt. Barbossa say a bunch of lines from the Pirates of the Caribbean rise is a nod.
Having the camero smack the bug and then blow it up with a sonic burst is a smack in the face. >:P
Bobzeaux 3 years ago
wow tflover way to be that internet guy
artfan101 4 years ago
Just my version of him!!!
liakak 4 years ago
And he looks great
dragondisaster 4 years ago
That is'nt bumblebee!
Ps:the hood and the front part of the care are the feet
pss:first commenting!
TransformerLover360 4 years ago