Introductory Shaolin and Lian Bu Chuan

[trandilar]

FYI, not all versions of Lien Bu came from the Nanjing institute, though it certainly appears that the shaolin versions served as the framework for the Nanjing LF version,(AFAIK the newest) but with new "Guts" and similar, though not exactly the same, movements.

LF is "whippier".

[trandilar]

Also, the forms have a different "flavor" and cadence. The forms are very different toward the ends. The BSL version still uses the animal shape movements, the LF version really doesn't. The Wing Lam version actually has a short section that the LF version doesn't.

Was that to mark the LF version? Wing Lam's students have stated publicly that the versions presented on video are exactly as practiced in the school.

[trandilar]

There are differences between the BSL version and the LF version. The LF version is heavily influenced by White crane and Lama Pai movements, with more Circular moves and "long arm" techniques, with the signature popping/snapping jing of white crane. The BSL version uses body structure and hip jing with strong rooting, signatures of Sil Lum kung fu.

[clcoc20s]

It's always fun watching different schools. We always practice with power and intent when we demonstrate forms. I always try to imagine I'm fighting someone. Or in the case of multi-line forms - multiple people. His stances appear to be strong though he doesn't appear to use alot of his hip. This could be because he's demonstrating in a more "soft" manner though.

[kustomhead]

All of Kwong Wing Lam's Northern for are Temple boxing forms. I studied under a 31's gen. Wu DE monk,and I knew these forms and demonstraited them, and he said they looked like the forms that were studied in the 9th court yard in the temple.

[Luohan108]

Hey, can any of you guys tell me the history of this form? We practiced an almost identical set in DengFeng China (home of the northern shaolin temple). Except it was called 'Dragon Fist' and was not a basic form. They must have come from the same form, but i would like to know how long ago this set left shaolin temple?

[JF2100]

From what I've hear, the break occurred after the destruction of the temple during the "Great Leap Forward". The surviving monks scattered, then were invited back decades later - only a few returned. I doubt either group practices literally the same curriculum. For instance, I know that in the style Master Wing Lam does, there are ten "core" hand forms meant to be performed in sequence, daily (not including this one). My understanding is that this is not the case in the modern temple.

[notyourmind]

It was developed from existing material from

Northern Longfist and refined at the Nanjing

Guo Shu Institute in 1928.

[anhkhoinguyen]

finally someone who knows his history.

[jchien]

I cannot say whether this is the authentic version b/c I have seen a different version, which looks better, but I can say the execution is terrible. The martial purpose of the movements are lost. He changes level (bobs up and down)between techniques; not enough of base or root and bad foot work. He doesn't punch/strike/block/perry with his body, only with his limbs; kungfu is all about generating power from the waist and leveraging the whole body behind every technique.

[RenegadeRows]

I respect your observation and agree with you ... however this demonstration of the form is for educational purposes. It is on an instructional DVD. He performs this set, you see every move clearly. It's for references. I have seen Wing Lam's students perform sets, and they have much power and root. This is also the form I learned from my sifu.

[ChiTownBlackDragon]

Boy, you are pretty critical. I would love to see your rendition of this set. I guess the one thing I have learn in my time practicing the arts is that each persons interpretation of a set may be different, but the basic concepts should stay true to the style and the original demonstration. Also, since this is for training purposes, it is totally understandable that the movements may be a bit stiff in appearance in order to show each move separately.

[jchien]

My observations are based on what my sifu taught me. I learned the set at a traditional kungfu guan in Taiwan. Even when training for purely demonstration purpose, the techniques must be performed with power and martial intent behind them. And the whole point about kungfu is body unity, connectedness, unifying the waist/back with the hip/horse stance to generate maximum power. What I'm saying is kungfu 101. I don't see them here. Do you?

[ChiTownBlackDragon]

I do not see disconnectedness. Good solid Ma Bu's, Gung Bu's, ets. Hips square to centerline, back heel planted on the floor.  Power comes from the stance, hips, and arms connecting through the earth. I am not a Northern stylist (Hung Gar), but I can tell a good stance, technique, and purpose of movement (martial intent). The blocks are protecting the centerline. The elbow strikes clear. He is looking at his target. We will have to agree to disagree I suppose. Good luck on your journey.

[gdog200]

If two of the disputed inheritors of Bei Shaolin perform Liang Bu Chuan with almost no difference between them, they just might be right. I know the version as taught by Chan Kowk Wai (the other disputed inheritor), and it is almost identical to what's presented in this video. This is the real deal, moreso than any other video of this form on YouTube.

[Aetherus7]

looks great! an authentic version

[Dardencia]

This is extremely close to Dr. Yang's version. Great for reference, thank you.

[myself36]

that was cool. but i do mine different.

[igotastove]

I Own this video its great. i like bow and arrow stance. its the best thing if there isnt a gym near by.