'L Ron Hubbard was a paranoid schizophrenic' It always is interesting to me the difference in language used to describe those that have a medical or psychiatric disease. Generally... in medical terms I 'have' a disease. I have cancer. I have had a heart attack. I have got flu. I have had measles... etc etc. So this, in metaphorical terms, is something we have experienced but no longer have. In psychiatric illness the disease defines the person. He was schizophrenic.. I am bi-polar. or depressed.
@Mrscientificmethod Now i know that these are only general rules, not hard and fast.. for example, I am diabetic.. he has ADHD. But just wondering why in some cases the disease 'is' the person and in others the person 'has' the illness. 'Metaphors we live by' by George Lakoff is a great book... do you know it? Do you have any thoughts about this view? Szasz is very conscious of the use of metaphor and so I plan to bring this into our debate. Bloody hard to make vids tho. I look so stupid!!!
@Mrscientificmethod That's part of the reason for the requirement. When putting together a video presentation it can be hard to get your point across. You think you're saying one thing and people conclude you're saying another. You make an omission for time (10 minutes when these we made) and you later find you've implied something you didn't intend to.. Part of the point is to get an appreciation for how easy it is to be misunderstood.
My word! Just read all the comments. It is fascinating how you ignore or fail to answer any legitimate criticism of your video. How come you are so arrogant! There must be a mental disease involved here... let me consult the DSM5... ;-) I have noticed you have banned certain people from making further comments. Would you allow me to comment on other vids in this series? Thanks.
@Mrscientificmethod I broke down the entire series by subject, and people kept running in here to argue about content which they hadn't even heard my response to, then they'd refuse to go to the appropriate video to discuss that segment. So I'd block them on THIS video, and encourage them to continue the discussion in the appropriate video.
@13Heathens Not quite true my friend. You have blocked certain people.. including me, from commenting on any of your videos. Especially when you could not refute their arguments. Yes?
@Mrscientificmethod "Especially when you could not refute their arguments."
Incorrect assumption. The few I've blocked are in the minority and fall in one of three categories; Trolls, zealous and unwilling to listen (conspiracy nuts), or showing an unhealthy obsession. Which were you?
@13Heathens I was in the category.. unwilling to listen!!!... i.e I disagreed with your view and your arguments did not change my mind. I suppose that everyone that did not accept your opinion and argued against you with the most valid opinions (which you had the most difficulty arguing against were banned. Can you list those that you banned? And for what reason? Thanks .
No, they weren't important enough, or interesting enough to be worth remembering 3 years later. "..you had the most difficulty arguing against were banned"
@13Heathens So those that in your opinion 'weren't important enough, or interesting enough to be worth remembering' were banned. How about Bruno or Gallileo? How do you make that judgement?
Take another look at that statement, and evaluate what the implication is. Just taking a glance through the names on this page of comments .. I remember about about 5 names on the list. Each of those names are people who commented often on varied topics, and are/were long time subscribers. Others like Alf, for example, I don't remember at all even though it looks like I had a lengthy chat with them.
@13Heathens You tell me!! Was I a troll? Zealous? Or unwilling to listen? I do not think I was any of these... just debating your views. Which I disagreed with. And I countered your views. So I was 'unwilling to listen' to your self appointed wisdom.
@13Heathens Not true. You have banned people from commenting on all of your series of vids. I was one such person. 'encourage them to continue the discussion in the appropriate video.' ... Don't make me laugh!!!
The CCHR takes a 100% secular approach, noting its relationship with scientology is just a cheap shot. Aside from the "About Us" section on their site, they don't even mention scientology, they don't attempt to inspire converts, they don't use the denomination to appeal to anyone or anything like that. It's irrelevant. They act as a secular organization, I see no reason not to treat them as such.
@Alf90100 "..noting its relationship with scientology is just a cheap shot."
Not at all. The view toward psychiatry as presented through the 'scientological' works of L Ron Hubbard can be seen throughout the presentation. Just as creationists promote 'intelligent design' to promote their view of the world, the church of Scientology promotes this equally deceitful steaming pile of manure. In each case these groups believe that removing the competing idea would leave only their answers.
@13Heathens I don't see how Hubbard has influenced any CCHR videos at all. And the difference between intelligent design and the anti-psych movement is that one [intelligent design] is B.S. I don't see anything wrong with questioning or doubting something such as mental illness that has never actually been scientifically proven. Or questioning the pharmaceuticals given to people deemed to be suffering of "mental illness" when no one has any clue whatsoever as to how they actually work.
@Alf90100 If you don't see the influence of LRH, you've clearly not read enough of the subject material, but let's set that aside for now. I do agree that there's nothing wrong with questioning either the psychiatric of pharmaceutical industry. Some of my own objections are mentioned later in the series. However, making up statistics, quote mining, promoting lies and urban legends (eg; skinner's box), and the denial of legitimate psychiatric problems to promote a conspiracy theory is BS.
@13Heathens It really is unfortunate that the world's leading anti-psych resource is associated with any religion.But believe me,it's not just cults holding these views. I've found that most of the anti-psych movement consists of people like me,who have been diagnosed with mental illness only to have been wronged by psychiatric drugs,psychiatric institutions and psychiatry itself. Imo, opposition to psychiaty is no conspiracy theory,one could better argue that psychiatry is the conspiracy theory
@Alf90100 ".. I've found that most of the anti-psych movement consists of people like me,who have been diagnosed with mental illness .. "
Then stop quarreling and watch the rest of the series, and you will come to better understand my objection to CCHR's BS, and I'll think you'll understand my objections. This video was the intro/declaration of intent.
@13Heathens I've watched a bit,I understand your objections and where you're coming from. I just strongly disagree with the idea that the opposition to psychiatry is a "conspiracy theory" at all. To be considered a conspiracy theory, it must oppose provided facts, But there are no facts in psychiatry to oppose, just a scrutinization of its relationship with big pharma and its lack of evidence to back up its claims. I see no reason that denying psychiatry is "unreasonable."
@Alf90100 Disagreeing with/being critical of psychiatry doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. According to COS/CCHR and the likes of Dr Szasz psychiatry is engaged in a grand conspiracy. thus making it a conspiracy theory which is being promoted to, and adopted by, many within the anti-psyche community. Real change wont come from fraudulent claims and insisting that there is no such thing as mental illness. It will come from insisting on real research, more accountability, and pushing for reform.
@13Heathens Ah, okay.Fair enough. I think that most of the moderate anti-pych community is all for research and reform.But imo, it will much more than likely just prove that many "psychiatric disorders" and other forms of erratic behavior are just symptoms of very real, physical health ailments. Like POTS disease for example,can cause confusion, lightheadedness, hallucinations, etc. It even correlates with the average age that most mental illnesses occur. But it's nearly physically undetectable.
@Alf90100 "..many "psychiatric disorders" .. are just symptoms of very real, physical health ailments.."
There are hundreds of physical ailments which can exhibit symptoms which appear to be psychiatric in nature. What troubles me is how often people can go undiagnosed.. taking some psyche med instead of ever being tested for a potential medical condition. And it's medical doctors who often hand out psyche meds instead of seeking a real diagnosis.
@13Heathens No. This is propoganda from your perspective. . This view of psychiatry is presented through Foucault, Szasz, Robert Whitaker, John Breeding, mindfreedom.. antipsyche.. Laing and Cooper, Leary and Hoffman.... I can go on and on. But you think these are all part of the Scion conspiracy? Do you really?
*sigh* First off, Nope, alf wasn't blocked .. for that matter, at a glance the only blocked user I found was lostinthelandofflies (close enough) who I don't remember blocking.
Back to the point; Stop jumping to conclusions. There are many legitimate criticisms of psychiatry. However, conspiracy BS deliberate mis-characterizations etc are not productive.
@AppetiteForRoses Are you aware; The statistics they use for deaths within psychiatric care are from from an external source, which claims to have derived their information from a government organization.. an organization which does NOT gather any statistics at all.
Phyche drugs can indeed have adverse side affects, just like all other prescription drugs. Drug companies do offer perks for prescribing their drugs. This is true of medical as well as psychiatric drugs. What's your point?
@13Heathens My point is that even though that cchr are dramatic in their approach, they are dealing with facts. You only have to read books by Dr Peter Breggin such as Brain Disabling treatments and How and Why to stop taking psychiatric medications. I suppose you will slander Breggin now?
Respond to this video... ps how can you say their information is not true? When you can see what the drugs do to people. The pharmaceutical industry are corrupt. They invent disease to sell drugs, cause brain disease with the drugs and do not release this information to the public.
There's around 25 videos in this series debunking CCHR. Did it occur to you that you may find the answer to that question if you watched the videos? I'm blocking you from further replies on THIS video. You're welcome to respond to the other videos in the series.
Whether cchr is involved with Scientology or not doesn't matter - what really matters is that they tell the truth about Psychiatry. I have been involved with Psychiatry for many years and i can tell you from personal experience that cchr are telling the truth.
No.. they're full of shyt and their film is a load of propaganda crap .. you're claim of credibility through personal experience is trumped by the personal experiences of those that disagree with you. Shame people just watch video #1 in the series and decide to comment without bothering to listen to anything beyond the warm-up.
@13Heathens Your assumptions wrong. Unlike most - i didn't comment to personally attack you or your video - I can see where you are coming from. The fact that psychiatrists themselves are misinformed worries me and once you are in their grasp they treat every emotion as a disease with drugs that have their effect by causing serious damage to your system. I think their message is basically - keep away from the drugs because they are killing you. Which has been scientifically proven.
@AppetiteForRoses I didn't claim you were attempting a personal attack. I have my own issues with the field of psychiatry (covered later in the series), however deliberate deception and paranoid conspiracy theories aren't the way to levy criticism.
Yes, drugs are over prescribed, and i agree that misdiagnosis is far too common .. however there is no evil alliance bent on world domination.. CCHR simply perpetuated the paranoid delusions of the cult of Scientology.
@13Heathens Theybaren't paranoid conspiracy theories - their oppinions are based on hard evidence. Btw my sources of information doesn't come from cchr. I basically wish we could get on without becoming frustrated with one another. Far to many 'rebels withouht a cause' jump on the "anti-psychiatry" band wagon and create a war amongst people. We need to treat people who don't feel right without drugs - humane treatment has always proved more successful.
Nothing about Hubbard really says paranoid schizophrenic. Ron L Hubbard showed all nine signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (grandiose, fantasies of power etc, believes one is special and should be treated as such, requires admiration, sense of entitlement, exploitative, lacks empathy, envious of others while believing others envy him and arrogant and haughty behaviour). His resentment towards authority fits well into this . In other words: the dude was fucked-up.
I wouldn't consider Hubbard a schizophrenic. Schizophrenics are delusional, experience hallucinations and have trouble stringing thoughts and words together. I consider Hubbard a manipulative psychopath.
Why do you support the cult of psychiatry so much?. Psychiatry deprograms a persons mind and body. You say psychiatric drugs are good, how can they be when all they do is damage the brain and nervous system to block emotional stimulation?. You don't know what you're talking about. Mental illness exists but there is ALWAYS an underlying PHYSICAL cause causing it. And its NOT a chemical imbalance the in the brain as you and psychiatrists think. Psychiatry causes mental illness.
@draziom902 Made a new account to troll me eh? How nice..Do you really want to get back into the discussion with me? I'm no-longer on the topic of your cults BS propaganda. Be smart and don't waste your time trying to provoke me.
@13Heathens You made these videos to get a reaction from people when you KNOW psychiatry is a pseudoscience CULT. You want attention from people because you have psychological problems. You claim that "psychiatry" is a science and that what CCHR says is all false. There's many people who disagree with you here. Psychiatry is a cult religion and a cult of DEATH. (Population Control). You refute CCHR's facts by your own opinion not by actual fact. When you get FACTS then we can debate.
Finally "treating people against their will" you play down a bit, which is kind of suspicious as it shows your own doubt about the validity of the practice. If we routinely treated people for lung cancer against their will, would you need to play it down so much?
The fact that it doesn't happen often is irrelevant (it still does happen...) and wrong (no child can be considered in a reasonable position to consent).
It feels very uncomfortable to be forced into defending scientology like this...
@TMOvids "Finally 'treating people against their will' you play down a bit, which is kind of suspicious as it shows your own doubt about the validity of the practice."
Uuuh nice try, but I have been committed .. or 'treated against my will' if you prefer.
Try putting yourself in my position; Bipolar who spent 4 years in psyche wards prior to the age of 20. Who has a great deal of (valid) grievances. The lies and deception used by CoS does nothing to promote the changes which are truly needed.
@13Heathens Playing it down is a very weak argument. If it is morally correct, then does it matter how often it happens?
It's not that hard to put myself in your position, having been sectioned over here in UK, though I am still a teenager so may not have been subjected to the worst of psychiatry just yet. I am a supporter of Szasz and think a complete eradication and reworking of psychiatry is closer to what's needed than minor changes in attitude.
@TMOvids When I first worked on this series I'd never even heard of Szasz. You'll see a blatant screw up on my part later in the series when I presume they chose szasz because of his accent.
I've since looked into him, and am shocked at the size and frequently fanatical devotion among his followers.. After you're done with the series I fully expect us to end up having a conversation about Szasz.
@13Heathens Hehe. I wouldn't call myself fanatical as I hate how skepticism of psychiatric claims seems to be, by necessity, linked with religion.
I am still not sure what position to have on the CoS though regarding this. On the one hand, it's spewed his ideas (albeit with additional bullshit) widely, and that gets people talking about something that I think is important. On the other, they seem to have totally hijacked the movement, and I find myself defending a damned sinister organisation.
That's good to hear. Then you may be more willing to consider my reasoning for disliking Szasz's message and methods, when that (most likely inevitable) conversation comes.
"this deliberate attack on psychiatry is in the hopes of getting rid of psychiatry so that the only people who will be offering any kind of help will be the church of scientology"
Exploring motives instead of claims is a logical fallacy. Scientology has a pseudoscientific form of psychiatry, correct. Does that instantly negate any claims made about mainstream psychiatry? No. Also the claim itself is just wrong. Priests offer help. Rabbis offer help. Loads of people do.
@TMOvids "Exploring motives instead of claims is a logical fallacy."
Exploring the motives as well as tactics of a group which is responsible for the creation of a propaganda film is completely relevant when discussing said material.
It would be, but only after all the claims have been attacked sufficiently. I have only seen the first 3 videos so far, so the claims may be sufficiently dealt with later, but for the time being, attacking the motives assumes the conclusion that the claims are incorrect.
@TMOvids "attacking the motives assumes the conclusion that the claims are incorrect."
Prior to starting on the series I watched their travesty of a propaganda film over and over again.. which to say the least was taxing on a mental level. It was far from a snap judgment :)
"the school said that they were misbehaving, or the parents saw that they were, and brought them to the psychiatrist... who's fault is it"
ABSOLUTELY 100% the psychiatrists. The parents aren't medical experts and don't know which information to give. The psychiatrist must extract the necessary information for diagnosis.
@TMOvids "ABSOLUTELY 100% the psychiatrists" I disagree 33% with that statement! If you walked into a Doctor's office and lied about pain, discomfort and symptoms you'd end up with an incorrect diagnosis. Think about it.
@TMOvids "Is your position that parents lie to psychiatrists in order to get ritalin then?"
Parent's.. school administrators, etc who know the symptom list and not much else can and have misrepresented the severity of perceived symptoms in order to insure that the diagnosis which they desire is achieved.
In many cases when a shrink doesn't give them what they want they'll keep looking until they find one that will.. it's pretty shitty reality.
@13Heathens So if I went to the doctor and said I had a brain tumour... or that I had lung cancer or that I had measles or diabetes.. then I would end up with an incorrect diagnosis? I have thought about this. You are wrong.
You seem to have come at this from hatred of scientology (reasonable) to hatred of the film. Because of this, your refuting in this first part has ended up pretty illogical.
"psychiatry is made up of small practices and there isn't really any hierarchy to it" Pretty much the exact same thing could be said of Al-Qaeda, or holocaust deniers. The lack of hierarchy doesn't mean that something cannot be talked about as a group with a shared ideology and general activity.
@TMOvids Hatred of the film would be closer to the truth. This is the warm-up video the claims are dealt with as they come up within the presentation. When you speak of Al-Qaeda, or holocaust deniers you're talking about groups that do indeed have a shared ideology, however That does not hold true of the average member of the psychiatric community.
@13Heathens It isn't? I would think a statement like "Mental Illness exists and we, as psychiatrists, can and should look to discover and use ways to fix this" would be near enough to universal among psychiatrists.
Oh, yes, lastly: your reference of LRH as a paranoid Schizophrenic is rather interesting. Is this meant to demean by use of a psychiatric labeling, or, your take on his diseased brain. Nothing hurts more-and discredits the individual- in our day and age than to be called crazy, don't you think?
I am curious, Heathens. As much as you have constructed an intellectual bubble around you, have you never even been curious to read any of Szasz's books? The glaring absence of any understanding of his scholarly works seems to me to speak volumes about some terrible fear you wish not to unearth? If anything, would your proper reading of his life's work clarify some glaring ommissions and inconsistencies in your arguments?
a free society and the "free market" of ideas. In 1968, a year that the CCHR was founded, the world was experiencing great social tumult, and upheaval. Many a psychiatrist-many, no doubt, self-serving charlatans-were not immune to this bug that affected so many institutions. As an academic (in a community college setting), I have used Szasz as a backdrop to class discussions. Discussing reforms and any ameliorative objectives-either side of the divide-should not include freak shows by the COS!
And his support of CCHR and furthering COS agendas is part of the core of my issue with Szasz. The field of psychiatry has come a long way since the late 60's. However I have many issues with Szasz's views of mental 'illnesses' - like my objection to his insistence on using the term disease.
Keep watching, and see my objections - I too believe there is much reform needed as well.
Well, your's is a fallacious conclusion about Szasz, but I think I understand your position vis a vis psychiatry, as it seems to have helped frame your reference of your self and society. By your estimation, psychiatry is more than just attending to patients as mentally diseased (read:brain sick), that you likewise see the necessity of psychiatry's institutional presence- coercion and all- under the aegis of the state. BTW, Szasz completely repudiates any notion of mental illness as disease
As noisome a presence as the COS is, I would not be inclined to throw the baby out with the bath water. There have been many other instances where institutions (religious and secular) have given rise to some really effective movements. Szasz's choice of co-founding the CCHR was undoubtedly made along pragmatic lines, than, as you so cynically note, as part of his "agenda" (not a perjorative term, btw). Still, the COS is no rational and viable alternative for so many ex-psychiatric patients.
yea b/c oppositional defiant disorder is really a disorder and homosexuality was also a disorder
do you realize how bias the DSM is? The DSM is conjectured and considered as TRUTH by a convention of "certified" psychologists. Have you seen all the treatments such as electric shock therapy that REALLY is a shot at the dark treatment.
psychology is okay but psychiatry is pretty much another shot of the dark
Thank you for being the gracious shrink and not locking me up, Heathens. As for the CCHR exhibit, I would agree that it is in very bad taste, much like a carnival freakshow. It really negates so much good that CCHR could do, if it weren't for the omnipresent agenda as set forth by the COS. I am a civil libertarian when it comes to human rights and am very vocal about reforming psychiatric practices(and laws) which civil Libertarians SHOULD speak out against. However, I too feel very strongly in
Sanctuary by Big Catholic Guilt. They disbanded years ago, but their CD Judgment can still be found on places like Amazon. I've been after their second CD since their last show - unfortunately I didn't have enough to buy The Damned cd then.
We all know about $cientology, but what about BIG PHARMA and George Bush's "Teen Screen"? Bush's programs would have made psychiatric screening for every child in the nation mandatory and eventually everyone in the United States would have been forced to undergo psychiatric "screening". Read Thomas Szasz - a psychiatrist who can tell you the psychiatry is as dangerous as $cientology. I work in the schools. C0$ cult got it right on DRUGS. Even a blind squirrell finds a nut once in a while.
@13Heathens Have you read one of his books? You will see that he is anti Scientology is many many ways. Try reading 'Our right to drugs' or Ceremonial Chemistry' for example. These are totally against Scientology dogma.
@Mrscientificmethod Have you? Since you are so against Szasz I would have expected to have read one by now. Which one have you read? I watched all of your vids......
@Mrscientificmethod I've listened to about a dozen of his lectures, as well as several radio interviews. I have no desire to read one of his books.. On a side note, it does strike me as interesting that this conversation started the same day in which i told babyalex to fuck himself.
You are using the word 'schizophrenic' in a completely derogative manner. This is inexcusable but it demonstrates your complete bias. Are you a 'queer' perhaps? Look up the dictionary definitions of the word 'queer' and how this has been used by society. It was only the Gay Pride movement that forced the council of the DSM to 'vote' out homosexuality as a mental disease. Please think deeply about what you are trying to say.
Actually the statement was "L Ron Hubbard, was paranoid schizophrenic.." in a derogatory manner. The reference is pertaining to the anti-psychiatry beliefs promoted by the church of scientology, through CCHR in the continuance of the doctrines of L Ron Hubbard.
It's being critical of one specific schizophrenic that started a cult.
'L Ron Hubbard was a 'paranoid schizophrenic.' I believe you do a disservice to all those labelled 'mentally ill.' You diagnose someone who is dead? What scientific method do you use? I believe it is correct to call him a raving loony nutter but he based his ideas on p$ychiatry. Later in your vids you explain the difficulty of using ideas based around the history of culture and .. attempt to forgive them..!!! Rush? Er... I have difficulty following your logic.
For example it can be proved he also suffered from both ADHD and PPD... both according to the DSM-IV and the the Charlson Comorbidity commitee to be related. You can google to find out further information. Thanks for the information. I am sure it will be of the greatest importance to those who run our society.
I read an article in the news a couple days ago that the "Psychiatry and Industry of Death" Museum (which I do find ammsuing that they are actually calling this crap a "museum, though I'm sure they are using that term to give it a sense of unwarrented credibility) is being shown in a student building at HARVARD FUCKING UNIVERSITY!!! A university (and not just ANY university) that HAS A PSYCHIATRY SCHOOL!!!
You should download this series and bring it there on a laptop. Also its capable to download the industry of death so if theres any scilons claiming youre taking it out of context you can always flick back to prove it.
This has happened several times in the past I believe, where the "museum" was featured in or near a college, there are youtube vids of student protests in regards to it. Students at Harvard are likely entering the "museum" and laughing their asses off.
And the patient. Medication alone is never or should never be considered a fix all. Therepy should always be required on top of the medication but unfortunately even if the psychiatrist gives a patient advice deserving of a Nobel Prize that doesn't mean the patient will follow through with it. It's the patient's choice as well.
as far as medication of children. if a doctor gives out a drug based on what they are told, i think they too are responsible. american society in particular seems to be hell bent on finding some miracle drug to answer all their cures. i see drug pushers go in and out of doctors offices, plenty of buy my drugs on tv, and morons who DEMAND drugs from doctors. if they don't get it from one, they find someone who will.
Haha -- I love when the Scientologists post comments pretending that they're NOT Scientologists, but then they state some ridiculous L Ron Hubbard-jargon statement and totally blow their cover.
They really can't stay away from all the gobbledygook propaganda that they've been programmed with. Sad.
New age medicine?? No!! You keep making things up here, putting words in my mouth to suit your site and agenda. I mention Chinese Medicine and you go ape shit.? Come on!! Your Anti~Science, a religious bigot and it's minds like yours that keep society in the stone age.. You can respond to me out of context all you like it just proves your ignorance of your own mind and knowledge of any workable solutions. Remember to breathe...
Psychosomatic Medicine was not the idea of Hubbards. (Psych- = Mind. Somatic= Body) The idea has been around for a few thousand years particularly in Chinese Medicine
You really have No concept of any Mental Healing Techniques. I have been in Practice for over 20 years. Start learning how to breathe first and see if that helps. Take some B-vitamins and if your head starts to clear in 3 to 5 years give me a call and we'll start therapy
"You'd do well to not provoke me to return to the topics of Scientology and CCHR"????? What the hell are you talking about.?? Provoke you?? Are you going to reach though the Internet and hit me with your Bible..? I cant believe I'm wasting my time with you. It's a dirty job but someone has to get you off the cool-aid.
Nope, Why would you think that? And who cares? Do you worship Neo and Morpheus? Are we all in a Dream world sleeping in a vat of goo.? Your problem is you don't care about anything, don't believe in anything and have the philosophical intelligence if a nat. And still haven't answered my question. Who are you working for? Eli Lilly? Merck? Johnson&Johnson? Or are you just a Crazy Christian that thinks all other Religions are worshiping a"false idle" Divide and Conquer right? Is that your M.O?
Just the Label of the diagnosis of Schizophrenia is damaging to a troubled mind, a fraud in it's self as there is no test for these "Mental Diseases" This is not about the "chemical Imbalance in the Brian debate"
Facts. 1) I'm a licensed family therapist and treat ADD kids and adults in my practice to great success with No Drugs. My interest in mind began at 15 studying Psychiatry and Psychology for over 35 years to understand my fathers diagnosis of Schizophrenia at 24. After years of Psych Drugging with dangerous psychotropics like Haldol, Thorazine and Shock Treatments it all came down to a simple Gluten Intolerance, but is was to late, this "Tech" cut his life to 54 years and robbed us of a father..
Medical science has known for many years about body chemistry and the Mind Body connection. Stress in the Endocrine system is related to body chemistry. It's known 80% of illness is Psycho-somatic, but there system based in profit not healing. A large corprate machine that mantains its statis quo with massive lies and unlimited budgets. You are nothing but a small tool in this machine. Your actions here are motivated by philosopical, religious hate and or intolorance. This page is proof of that.
eh very few religions i've seen are worth respecting. those only seem to be in asia. but all forms of medicine/help have bastardization. some therapist/psychiatrist are legitimately good and care. while i think a majority are in the field for money/recognition.
Actually I'd have to disagree with you on that one. Most get into the field in order to help others, but they aren't newsworthy..
dedicated fans don't make the news, yet fans who stalk the celebrity they're obsessed with certainly do. Thus the "dedicated" fans that you tend to hear about are those that are just screwed up. Thus the media tends to give a warped view of fans..
This is paralleled in almost all areas. The bad apples aren't a majority, but they are news worthy.
i should have been more specific, most of the doctors/psychiatrist i've met have been charlatans. and quite a few i've been informed about through friends/family are as well. guess depends on region.
If Dr Sauze is using "stuff" from the 70's as you say.. Why is Psychiatry still using Tech from 1883 and Benjamen Rush (Who supported Eugenics by the way) and Frauds Theory of Psychoanalysis is now going on 100 years old.. What did this bring us to in the 70s? Dr. BF. Skinner
He thought it would be a good idea to put his Daughter in cage for 6 months to study aspects of behavior.?They are not doing anything,, there is no real work being done. They are just giving pills out like they where candy because they have no real workable science. It is a Pseudo-Science in the name of one thing, Control. Any they use the simple axiom "The bigger the Lie More people will believe it" Looks like you bought it Hook, Line & Sinker. Or the real question is,Who are you working for?
You don't have to be a scientologist to know that shrinks are quacks. They even have their own book of pretended 'disorders' because pathologists (ie real doctors) won't allow that crap in actual medical texts. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM)...no statistics.
Total fraud, but is sure sounds credible doesn't it.....well...that's where it ends.
Listen to the truth from a Professor of Psychiatry, who admits the truth of it all right here on Youtube, Dr. Thomas Szasz
you are wrong about ADHD. Many kids are medicated against the parents will. Social workers are snatching kids from school because parents dont want to drug their children. CPS makes alot of money and so does everyone else. You even sound like a shrink. GET RID OF KOO KOO NUTS. More people have died from psychiatry than all the wars.
lame dude american psychiatrist at pathetic work of redeeming psychiatry. Useless is the work of words, the facts stay for themselves...PSYCHIATRY - NO CURE EVER - ONLY VICTIMS ! your anger and style of response says it all, lame psychiatrist !
Gusha you are wrong. Period. The end. CCHR is a group composed mainly of scientologists who use their propaganda to hurt the field of mental health (NOT just psychiatry) in the name of civil rights. What they are doing is depleting an already underfunded field of further resources WHILE OFFERING NO SCIENTIFIC OR VIABLE SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS.
How is it the parents fault when schools tell the parents of 5yos "Either put him on medication or find another school for him?"
Sidenote: Their are school to school relationships (even outside districts) and when you leave one and even ATTEMPT to goto another there is an exchange of information soo... Normally they make it imposable for the student to find another school. They usually end up back at the same school, on meds, and in various "behavioral modification" class rooms.
I will agree that scientology has many defects, and that their attempt at attacking psychiatry is somewhat misguided, but in some cases their criticism is correct. If too many children are taking ritalin and anti-depressants, that certainly is in large part the responsability of psychiatrists, some families actualy ask if there is any other treatment besides drugs, and the psychiatrist says: "well, drugs are essential".
"Psychiatrists do not hypnotize patients.. That's hypnotherapy not psychology or psychiatry."
Well, some psychologists do hypnotize their patients. The whole "repressed memory / false memory" controversy arose out of psychologists who did hypnotize their patients to help their patients "remember" they were raped or raised in a satanic cult.
I personally don't give a cunt fuck what L Ron Hubbard says about psychiatry or anybody for that matter. I think for myself and make my own decisions. I have done research, read the DSM, listened to psychiatric jib jarb. My conclusion its a fraud, total bullshit. Fuck psychiatrist and thier plan to degrade human beings.
Psychiatry is a fraud. For those who support psychiatry after watching this documentary its only because you wish to destroy humanity.
"Its the parents fault for the child being put on Ritalin" Wrong fucking source!! Although the parents are being gullible. Psychiatrist do this for money and further degrading the child.
Man, you are lame. I don't know who is worse; "scary voiceover guy" or "dripping with sarcasm guy"; the latter being you. Your arguments in this video are lame. To touch on a few; "It ain't the psychiatrist's fault if he wrongly puts a child on drugs - it is the parents' fault. The parent that came to the 'doctor' for help. Silly parent". "Involuntary commitment - rare." Florida; 2006; 120,506 "emergency commitments". One state. One year. Please remove head from ass yourself.
The point of "scary voice over guy" is to point out that tone and timber of a speaker can have an emotional impact on a listener. It's no coincidence that the same kind of voice is used repeatedly in previews for horror flicks.
The point about the parents and medication is that young children don't exactly have the communication skills to say "Hey doc, I can't focus or sit still in class. I also ramble alot and stand right up in people's faces. What's up with that?"
A doctor HAS to often rely on the testimonials of the parents to make a decision.The parents are with the child to observe patters of behavior, presumably, and that information is used as a diagnostic tool.Sometimes, this feedback can be dangerous.Case in point, a mental illness called Munchausen by proxy. Yes the doctor prescribed the drugs, however if the parents lie to him or give innacurate information, how is he SUPPOSED to effectively treat the child.This applies to ANY field of medicine!
Perfect video! CCHR, like CO$ tries to use "scare" tactics like at any minute the psychs can come and wisk you away and torture you against your will. Please! It's their biggest competition, that's the ONLY reason they have such hatred.
"that particular answer is one that people need to look in the mirror to find" i love that statement. it really shows how this should be dealt with, on an INDIVIDUAL basis.
as we all know Scientology only hates the 'phycs' because they are a much better alternative to Scientology. plus psychiatry ACTUALLY WORKS.
Can you upload the full length video to Vimeo. Also take out the references to trolling at the start (the general public won't get it). This would allow anti-scientology sites to host your video on their websites. Just a suggestion.
When I saw this part of the video at CCHR Los Angeles, it was so obvious that the psychiatrists were being quoted out of context that it wasn't even funny. The editors were starting in the middle of sentences, etc.
"...it is nearly impossible to separate them from the Church of Scientology."
"Nearly?" The CCHR scam *IS* Scientology: the crime syndicate calls the scam "safe-pointing," wherein they try to stop people from seeking health care services and get sick people to give the mob money.... even if it means the sick people must die.
no Bob Ross, The Joy of Painting.. on PBS.. the guy had this big afro and beard and had this very calm sorta voice.. u sound like him. anyways,, good stuff man
'L Ron Hubbard was a paranoid schizophrenic' It always is interesting to me the difference in language used to describe those that have a medical or psychiatric disease. Generally... in medical terms I 'have' a disease. I have cancer. I have had a heart attack. I have got flu. I have had measles... etc etc. So this, in metaphorical terms, is something we have experienced but no longer have. In psychiatric illness the disease defines the person. He was schizophrenic.. I am bi-polar. or depressed.
Mrscientificmethod 4 weeks ago
@Mrscientificmethod Now i know that these are only general rules, not hard and fast.. for example, I am diabetic.. he has ADHD. But just wondering why in some cases the disease 'is' the person and in others the person 'has' the illness. 'Metaphors we live by' by George Lakoff is a great book... do you know it? Do you have any thoughts about this view? Szasz is very conscious of the use of metaphor and so I plan to bring this into our debate. Bloody hard to make vids tho. I look so stupid!!!
Mrscientificmethod 4 weeks ago
@Mrscientificmethod That's part of the reason for the requirement. When putting together a video presentation it can be hard to get your point across. You think you're saying one thing and people conclude you're saying another. You make an omission for time (10 minutes when these we made) and you later find you've implied something you didn't intend to.. Part of the point is to get an appreciation for how easy it is to be misunderstood.
13Heathens 4 weeks ago
@13Heathens I understand how easy it is to be misunderstood. So does Szasz. ;-)
Mrscientificmethod 4 weeks ago
My word! Just read all the comments. It is fascinating how you ignore or fail to answer any legitimate criticism of your video. How come you are so arrogant! There must be a mental disease involved here... let me consult the DSM5... ;-) I have noticed you have banned certain people from making further comments. Would you allow me to comment on other vids in this series? Thanks.
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod How intellectually dishonest of you.
13Heathens 1 month ago
@13Heathens In what way?
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod I broke down the entire series by subject, and people kept running in here to argue about content which they hadn't even heard my response to, then they'd refuse to go to the appropriate video to discuss that segment. So I'd block them on THIS video, and encourage them to continue the discussion in the appropriate video.
13Heathens 1 month ago
@13Heathens Not quite true my friend. You have blocked certain people.. including me, from commenting on any of your videos. Especially when you could not refute their arguments. Yes?
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod "Especially when you could not refute their arguments."
Incorrect assumption. The few I've blocked are in the minority and fall in one of three categories; Trolls, zealous and unwilling to listen (conspiracy nuts), or showing an unhealthy obsession. Which were you?
13Heathens 1 month ago
@13Heathens I was in the category.. unwilling to listen!!!... i.e I disagreed with your view and your arguments did not change my mind. I suppose that everyone that did not accept your opinion and argued against you with the most valid opinions (which you had the most difficulty arguing against were banned. Can you list those that you banned? And for what reason? Thanks .
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod "Can you list those that you banned?"
No, they weren't important enough, or interesting enough to be worth remembering 3 years later. "..you had the most difficulty arguing against were banned"
Incorrect.
13Heathens 1 month ago
@13Heathens So those that in your opinion 'weren't important enough, or interesting enough to be worth remembering' were banned. How about Bruno or Gallileo? How do you make that judgement?
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod "those that in your opinion ... were banned"
Take another look at that statement, and evaluate what the implication is. Just taking a glance through the names on this page of comments .. I remember about about 5 names on the list. Each of those names are people who commented often on varied topics, and are/were long time subscribers. Others like Alf, for example, I don't remember at all even though it looks like I had a lengthy chat with them.
13Heathens 1 month ago
@13Heathens You tell me!! Was I a troll? Zealous? Or unwilling to listen? I do not think I was any of these... just debating your views. Which I disagreed with. And I countered your views. So I was 'unwilling to listen' to your self appointed wisdom.
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@13Heathens Not true. You have banned people from commenting on all of your series of vids. I was one such person. 'encourage them to continue the discussion in the appropriate video.' ... Don't make me laugh!!!
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@nicolastuart100 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Misdiagnosis is common. However, I don't think that's was your point.. please clarify.
13Heathens 8 months ago
The CCHR takes a 100% secular approach, noting its relationship with scientology is just a cheap shot. Aside from the "About Us" section on their site, they don't even mention scientology, they don't attempt to inspire converts, they don't use the denomination to appeal to anyone or anything like that. It's irrelevant. They act as a secular organization, I see no reason not to treat them as such.
Alf90100 8 months ago
@Alf90100 "..noting its relationship with scientology is just a cheap shot."
Not at all. The view toward psychiatry as presented through the 'scientological' works of L Ron Hubbard can be seen throughout the presentation. Just as creationists promote 'intelligent design' to promote their view of the world, the church of Scientology promotes this equally deceitful steaming pile of manure. In each case these groups believe that removing the competing idea would leave only their answers.
13Heathens 8 months ago
@13Heathens I don't see how Hubbard has influenced any CCHR videos at all. And the difference between intelligent design and the anti-psych movement is that one [intelligent design] is B.S. I don't see anything wrong with questioning or doubting something such as mental illness that has never actually been scientifically proven. Or questioning the pharmaceuticals given to people deemed to be suffering of "mental illness" when no one has any clue whatsoever as to how they actually work.
Alf90100 8 months ago
@Alf90100 If you don't see the influence of LRH, you've clearly not read enough of the subject material, but let's set that aside for now. I do agree that there's nothing wrong with questioning either the psychiatric of pharmaceutical industry. Some of my own objections are mentioned later in the series. However, making up statistics, quote mining, promoting lies and urban legends (eg; skinner's box), and the denial of legitimate psychiatric problems to promote a conspiracy theory is BS.
13Heathens 8 months ago
@13Heathens It really is unfortunate that the world's leading anti-psych resource is associated with any religion.But believe me,it's not just cults holding these views. I've found that most of the anti-psych movement consists of people like me,who have been diagnosed with mental illness only to have been wronged by psychiatric drugs,psychiatric institutions and psychiatry itself. Imo, opposition to psychiaty is no conspiracy theory,one could better argue that psychiatry is the conspiracy theory
Alf90100 8 months ago
@Alf90100 ".. I've found that most of the anti-psych movement consists of people like me,who have been diagnosed with mental illness .. "
Then stop quarreling and watch the rest of the series, and you will come to better understand my objection to CCHR's BS, and I'll think you'll understand my objections. This video was the intro/declaration of intent.
13Heathens 8 months ago
@13Heathens I've watched a bit,I understand your objections and where you're coming from. I just strongly disagree with the idea that the opposition to psychiatry is a "conspiracy theory" at all. To be considered a conspiracy theory, it must oppose provided facts, But there are no facts in psychiatry to oppose, just a scrutinization of its relationship with big pharma and its lack of evidence to back up its claims. I see no reason that denying psychiatry is "unreasonable."
Alf90100 8 months ago
@Alf90100 Disagreeing with/being critical of psychiatry doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. According to COS/CCHR and the likes of Dr Szasz psychiatry is engaged in a grand conspiracy. thus making it a conspiracy theory which is being promoted to, and adopted by, many within the anti-psyche community. Real change wont come from fraudulent claims and insisting that there is no such thing as mental illness. It will come from insisting on real research, more accountability, and pushing for reform.
13Heathens 8 months ago
@13Heathens Ah, okay.Fair enough. I think that most of the moderate anti-pych community is all for research and reform.But imo, it will much more than likely just prove that many "psychiatric disorders" and other forms of erratic behavior are just symptoms of very real, physical health ailments. Like POTS disease for example,can cause confusion, lightheadedness, hallucinations, etc. It even correlates with the average age that most mental illnesses occur. But it's nearly physically undetectable.
Alf90100 8 months ago
@Alf90100 "..many "psychiatric disorders" .. are just symptoms of very real, physical health ailments.."
There are hundreds of physical ailments which can exhibit symptoms which appear to be psychiatric in nature. What troubles me is how often people can go undiagnosed.. taking some psyche med instead of ever being tested for a potential medical condition. And it's medical doctors who often hand out psyche meds instead of seeking a real diagnosis.
13Heathens 8 months ago
@Alf90100 And you banned this person??? Did you??
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@13Heathens No. This is propoganda from your perspective. . This view of psychiatry is presented through Foucault, Szasz, Robert Whitaker, John Breeding, mindfreedom.. antipsyche.. Laing and Cooper, Leary and Hoffman.... I can go on and on. But you think these are all part of the Scion conspiracy? Do you really?
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod "you think these are all part of the Scion conspiracy?"
*sigh* First off, Nope, alf wasn't blocked .. for that matter, at a glance the only blocked user I found was lostinthelandofflies (close enough) who I don't remember blocking.
Back to the point; Stop jumping to conclusions. There are many legitimate criticisms of psychiatry. However, conspiracy BS deliberate mis-characterizations etc are not productive.
13Heathens 1 month ago
Their information on how harmful the drugs are and pharma corruption etc is true. It doesn't take much homework to get those facts.
AppetiteForRoses 8 months ago
@AppetiteForRoses Are you aware; The statistics they use for deaths within psychiatric care are from from an external source, which claims to have derived their information from a government organization.. an organization which does NOT gather any statistics at all.
Phyche drugs can indeed have adverse side affects, just like all other prescription drugs. Drug companies do offer perks for prescribing their drugs. This is true of medical as well as psychiatric drugs. What's your point?
13Heathens 8 months ago
@13Heathens My point is that even though that cchr are dramatic in their approach, they are dealing with facts. You only have to read books by Dr Peter Breggin such as Brain Disabling treatments and How and Why to stop taking psychiatric medications. I suppose you will slander Breggin now?
AppetiteForRoses 6 months ago
Respond to this video... ps how can you say their information is not true? When you can see what the drugs do to people. The pharmaceutical industry are corrupt. They invent disease to sell drugs, cause brain disease with the drugs and do not release this information to the public.
AppetiteForRoses 6 months ago
@AppetiteForRoses "how can you say their information is not true?"
There's around 25 videos in this series debunking CCHR. Did it occur to you that you may find the answer to that question if you watched the videos? I'm blocking you from further replies on THIS video. You're welcome to respond to the other videos in the series.
13Heathens 6 months ago
Whether cchr is involved with Scientology or not doesn't matter - what really matters is that they tell the truth about Psychiatry. I have been involved with Psychiatry for many years and i can tell you from personal experience that cchr are telling the truth.
AppetiteForRoses 8 months ago
@AppetiteForRoses "..i can tell you from personal experience.."
No.. they're full of shyt and their film is a load of propaganda crap .. you're claim of credibility through personal experience is trumped by the personal experiences of those that disagree with you. Shame people just watch video #1 in the series and decide to comment without bothering to listen to anything beyond the warm-up.
13Heathens 8 months ago
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AppetiteForRoses 8 months ago
@13Heathens Your assumptions wrong. Unlike most - i didn't comment to personally attack you or your video - I can see where you are coming from. The fact that psychiatrists themselves are misinformed worries me and once you are in their grasp they treat every emotion as a disease with drugs that have their effect by causing serious damage to your system. I think their message is basically - keep away from the drugs because they are killing you. Which has been scientifically proven.
AppetiteForRoses 8 months ago
@AppetiteForRoses I didn't claim you were attempting a personal attack. I have my own issues with the field of psychiatry (covered later in the series), however deliberate deception and paranoid conspiracy theories aren't the way to levy criticism.
Yes, drugs are over prescribed, and i agree that misdiagnosis is far too common .. however there is no evil alliance bent on world domination.. CCHR simply perpetuated the paranoid delusions of the cult of Scientology.
13Heathens 8 months ago
@13Heathens Theybaren't paranoid conspiracy theories - their oppinions are based on hard evidence. Btw my sources of information doesn't come from cchr. I basically wish we could get on without becoming frustrated with one another. Far to many 'rebels withouht a cause' jump on the "anti-psychiatry" band wagon and create a war amongst people. We need to treat people who don't feel right without drugs - humane treatment has always proved more successful.
AppetiteForRoses 8 months ago
@AppetiteForRoses If you really think that CCHR's BS is based on hard evidence, you really should watch the rest of the series.
13Heathens 8 months ago
Nothing about Hubbard really says paranoid schizophrenic. Ron L Hubbard showed all nine signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (grandiose, fantasies of power etc, believes one is special and should be treated as such, requires admiration, sense of entitlement, exploitative, lacks empathy, envious of others while believing others envy him and arrogant and haughty behaviour). His resentment towards authority fits well into this . In other words: the dude was fucked-up.
kioskvaltare 1 year ago
I wouldn't consider Hubbard a schizophrenic. Schizophrenics are delusional, experience hallucinations and have trouble stringing thoughts and words together. I consider Hubbard a manipulative psychopath.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
13Heathens you are a disgusting human being. I am ashamed of you.
draziom902 1 year ago
@draziom902 Refer tot this video; watch?v=VTuyTRexwMA
I won't be getting into the same BS argument with you once every year.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@draziom902 That is praise indeed, coming from such a $cientology cult lunatic as you!
laserofjustice 11 months ago
Why do you support the cult of psychiatry so much?. Psychiatry deprograms a persons mind and body. You say psychiatric drugs are good, how can they be when all they do is damage the brain and nervous system to block emotional stimulation?. You don't know what you're talking about. Mental illness exists but there is ALWAYS an underlying PHYSICAL cause causing it. And its NOT a chemical imbalance the in the brain as you and psychiatrists think. Psychiatry causes mental illness.
draziom902 1 year ago
13 Heathens is a MORON. This guy is a TROLL. PSYCHIATRY KILLS!!!!> PSYCHIATRY IS A DYING INDUSTRY OF DEATH!!!.
draziom902 1 year ago
@draziom902 Made a new account to troll me eh? How nice..Do you really want to get back into the discussion with me? I'm no-longer on the topic of your cults BS propaganda. Be smart and don't waste your time trying to provoke me.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens You made these videos to get a reaction from people when you KNOW psychiatry is a pseudoscience CULT. You want attention from people because you have psychological problems. You claim that "psychiatry" is a science and that what CCHR says is all false. There's many people who disagree with you here. Psychiatry is a cult religion and a cult of DEATH. (Population Control). You refute CCHR's facts by your own opinion not by actual fact. When you get FACTS then we can debate.
draziom902 1 year ago
Finally "treating people against their will" you play down a bit, which is kind of suspicious as it shows your own doubt about the validity of the practice. If we routinely treated people for lung cancer against their will, would you need to play it down so much?
The fact that it doesn't happen often is irrelevant (it still does happen...) and wrong (no child can be considered in a reasonable position to consent).
It feels very uncomfortable to be forced into defending scientology like this...
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids "Finally 'treating people against their will' you play down a bit, which is kind of suspicious as it shows your own doubt about the validity of the practice."
Uuuh nice try, but I have been committed .. or 'treated against my will' if you prefer.
Try putting yourself in my position; Bipolar who spent 4 years in psyche wards prior to the age of 20. Who has a great deal of (valid) grievances. The lies and deception used by CoS does nothing to promote the changes which are truly needed.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens Playing it down is a very weak argument. If it is morally correct, then does it matter how often it happens?
It's not that hard to put myself in your position, having been sectioned over here in UK, though I am still a teenager so may not have been subjected to the worst of psychiatry just yet. I am a supporter of Szasz and think a complete eradication and reworking of psychiatry is closer to what's needed than minor changes in attitude.
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids When I first worked on this series I'd never even heard of Szasz. You'll see a blatant screw up on my part later in the series when I presume they chose szasz because of his accent.
I've since looked into him, and am shocked at the size and frequently fanatical devotion among his followers.. After you're done with the series I fully expect us to end up having a conversation about Szasz.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens Hehe. I wouldn't call myself fanatical as I hate how skepticism of psychiatric claims seems to be, by necessity, linked with religion.
I am still not sure what position to have on the CoS though regarding this. On the one hand, it's spewed his ideas (albeit with additional bullshit) widely, and that gets people talking about something that I think is important. On the other, they seem to have totally hijacked the movement, and I find myself defending a damned sinister organisation.
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids "I wouldn't call myself fanatical "
That's good to hear. Then you may be more willing to consider my reasoning for disliking Szasz's message and methods, when that (most likely inevitable) conversation comes.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens Did you ever explain your reasons? Can you provide a link please?
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
"this deliberate attack on psychiatry is in the hopes of getting rid of psychiatry so that the only people who will be offering any kind of help will be the church of scientology"
Exploring motives instead of claims is a logical fallacy. Scientology has a pseudoscientific form of psychiatry, correct. Does that instantly negate any claims made about mainstream psychiatry? No. Also the claim itself is just wrong. Priests offer help. Rabbis offer help. Loads of people do.
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids "Exploring motives instead of claims is a logical fallacy."
Exploring the motives as well as tactics of a group which is responsible for the creation of a propaganda film is completely relevant when discussing said material.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens
It would be, but only after all the claims have been attacked sufficiently. I have only seen the first 3 videos so far, so the claims may be sufficiently dealt with later, but for the time being, attacking the motives assumes the conclusion that the claims are incorrect.
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids "attacking the motives assumes the conclusion that the claims are incorrect."
Prior to starting on the series I watched their travesty of a propaganda film over and over again.. which to say the least was taxing on a mental level. It was far from a snap judgment :)
13Heathens 1 year ago
"the school said that they were misbehaving, or the parents saw that they were, and brought them to the psychiatrist... who's fault is it"
ABSOLUTELY 100% the psychiatrists. The parents aren't medical experts and don't know which information to give. The psychiatrist must extract the necessary information for diagnosis.
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids "ABSOLUTELY 100% the psychiatrists" I disagree 33% with that statement! If you walked into a Doctor's office and lied about pain, discomfort and symptoms you'd end up with an incorrect diagnosis. Think about it.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens. You are correct. Is your position that parents lie to psychiatrists in order to get ritalin then?
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids "Is your position that parents lie to psychiatrists in order to get ritalin then?"
Parent's.. school administrators, etc who know the symptom list and not much else can and have misrepresented the severity of perceived symptoms in order to insure that the diagnosis which they desire is achieved.
In many cases when a shrink doesn't give them what they want they'll keep looking until they find one that will.. it's pretty shitty reality.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens So if I went to the doctor and said I had a brain tumour... or that I had lung cancer or that I had measles or diabetes.. then I would end up with an incorrect diagnosis? I have thought about this. You are wrong.
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
You seem to have come at this from hatred of scientology (reasonable) to hatred of the film. Because of this, your refuting in this first part has ended up pretty illogical.
"psychiatry is made up of small practices and there isn't really any hierarchy to it" Pretty much the exact same thing could be said of Al-Qaeda, or holocaust deniers. The lack of hierarchy doesn't mean that something cannot be talked about as a group with a shared ideology and general activity.
TMOvids 1 year ago
@TMOvids Hatred of the film would be closer to the truth. This is the warm-up video the claims are dealt with as they come up within the presentation. When you speak of Al-Qaeda, or holocaust deniers you're talking about groups that do indeed have a shared ideology, however That does not hold true of the average member of the psychiatric community.
13Heathens 1 year ago
@13Heathens It isn't? I would think a statement like "Mental Illness exists and we, as psychiatrists, can and should look to discover and use ways to fix this" would be near enough to universal among psychiatrists.
TMOvids 1 year ago
Dude, you sound like a meditation tape narrator at a relaxation spa.
SamuelRiv 1 year ago
You take less than a sentence to reveal the superiority of your ignorance.
toostonedtocare 1 year ago
@toostonedtocare 'Psychiatry is a way to implement a political power to a particular social group.' Foucault. Will you dismiss him like you do Szasz?
toostonedtocare 1 year ago
@toostonedtocare He has not read a book by Foucault or by Szasz. Yet he feels competent to discuss. Arrogance rules ok!
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@toostonedtocare I have to reply with this id.. cos you have banned 'lostinthelandoflies' from commenting. Free speeech eh?
toostonedtocare 1 year ago
You are an ass
aquariussouldier 1 year ago
Oh, yes, lastly: your reference of LRH as a paranoid Schizophrenic is rather interesting. Is this meant to demean by use of a psychiatric labeling, or, your take on his diseased brain. Nothing hurts more-and discredits the individual- in our day and age than to be called crazy, don't you think?
1thebabyalex 2 years ago
I am curious, Heathens. As much as you have constructed an intellectual bubble around you, have you never even been curious to read any of Szasz's books? The glaring absence of any understanding of his scholarly works seems to me to speak volumes about some terrible fear you wish not to unearth? If anything, would your proper reading of his life's work clarify some glaring ommissions and inconsistencies in your arguments?
1thebabyalex 2 years ago
a free society and the "free market" of ideas. In 1968, a year that the CCHR was founded, the world was experiencing great social tumult, and upheaval. Many a psychiatrist-many, no doubt, self-serving charlatans-were not immune to this bug that affected so many institutions. As an academic (in a community college setting), I have used Szasz as a backdrop to class discussions. Discussing reforms and any ameliorative objectives-either side of the divide-should not include freak shows by the COS!
1thebabyalex 2 years ago
And his support of CCHR and furthering COS agendas is part of the core of my issue with Szasz. The field of psychiatry has come a long way since the late 60's. However I have many issues with Szasz's views of mental 'illnesses' - like my objection to his insistence on using the term disease.
Keep watching, and see my objections - I too believe there is much reform needed as well.
13Heathens 2 years ago
Well, your's is a fallacious conclusion about Szasz, but I think I understand your position vis a vis psychiatry, as it seems to have helped frame your reference of your self and society. By your estimation, psychiatry is more than just attending to patients as mentally diseased (read:brain sick), that you likewise see the necessity of psychiatry's institutional presence- coercion and all- under the aegis of the state. BTW, Szasz completely repudiates any notion of mental illness as disease
1thebabyalex 2 years ago
As noisome a presence as the COS is, I would not be inclined to throw the baby out with the bath water. There have been many other instances where institutions (religious and secular) have given rise to some really effective movements. Szasz's choice of co-founding the CCHR was undoubtedly made along pragmatic lines, than, as you so cynically note, as part of his "agenda" (not a perjorative term, btw). Still, the COS is no rational and viable alternative for so many ex-psychiatric patients.
1thebabyalex 2 years ago
@13Heathens
yea b/c oppositional defiant disorder is really a disorder and homosexuality was also a disorder
do you realize how bias the DSM is? The DSM is conjectured and considered as TRUTH by a convention of "certified" psychologists. Have you seen all the treatments such as electric shock therapy that REALLY is a shot at the dark treatment.
psychology is okay but psychiatry is pretty much another shot of the dark
Diazt3r 2 years ago
@Diazt3r I am a ODD faggot .. and proud! ;-)
toostonedtocare 1 year ago
Thank you for being the gracious shrink and not locking me up, Heathens. As for the CCHR exhibit, I would agree that it is in very bad taste, much like a carnival freakshow. It really negates so much good that CCHR could do, if it weren't for the omnipresent agenda as set forth by the COS. I am a civil libertarian when it comes to human rights and am very vocal about reforming psychiatric practices(and laws) which civil Libertarians SHOULD speak out against. However, I too feel very strongly in
1thebabyalex 2 years ago
ok, what IS that song used as an intro for each video in this series? I've googled the lyrics and can't find it ANYWHERE.
whitenerd108 2 years ago
Sanctuary by Big Catholic Guilt. They disbanded years ago, but their CD Judgment can still be found on places like Amazon. I've been after their second CD since their last show - unfortunately I didn't have enough to buy The Damned cd then.
13Heathens 2 years ago
We all know about $cientology, but what about BIG PHARMA and George Bush's "Teen Screen"? Bush's programs would have made psychiatric screening for every child in the nation mandatory and eventually everyone in the United States would have been forced to undergo psychiatric "screening". Read Thomas Szasz - a psychiatrist who can tell you the psychiatry is as dangerous as $cientology. I work in the schools. C0$ cult got it right on DRUGS. Even a blind squirrell finds a nut once in a while.
whywiccanssuck 2 years ago
lovely another follower of Szasz.. the man is a moron a menace and a conspiracy nut.
13Heathens 2 years ago
@13Heathens which conspiracy(s) are you referring to?
aquariussouldier 1 year ago
@13Heathens Have you read one of his books? You will see that he is anti Scientology is many many ways. Try reading 'Our right to drugs' or Ceremonial Chemistry' for example. These are totally against Scientology dogma.
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod Have you? Since you are so against Szasz I would have expected to have read one by now. Which one have you read? I watched all of your vids......
Mrscientificmethod 1 month ago
@Mrscientificmethod I've listened to about a dozen of his lectures, as well as several radio interviews. I have no desire to read one of his books.. On a side note, it does strike me as interesting that this conversation started the same day in which i told babyalex to fuck himself.
13Heathens 1 month ago
Excellent!
Chopinsnocturnes 2 years ago
5 stars and thumbs up
hate4uall 2 years ago
You are using the word 'schizophrenic' in a completely derogative manner. This is inexcusable but it demonstrates your complete bias. Are you a 'queer' perhaps? Look up the dictionary definitions of the word 'queer' and how this has been used by society. It was only the Gay Pride movement that forced the council of the DSM to 'vote' out homosexuality as a mental disease. Please think deeply about what you are trying to say.
themanwhoduped 2 years ago
Actually the statement was "L Ron Hubbard, was paranoid schizophrenic.." in a derogatory manner. The reference is pertaining to the anti-psychiatry beliefs promoted by the church of scientology, through CCHR in the continuance of the doctrines of L Ron Hubbard.
It's being critical of one specific schizophrenic that started a cult.
13Heathens 2 years ago
'L Ron Hubbard was a 'paranoid schizophrenic.' I believe you do a disservice to all those labelled 'mentally ill.' You diagnose someone who is dead? What scientific method do you use? I believe it is correct to call him a raving loony nutter but he based his ideas on p$ychiatry. Later in your vids you explain the difficulty of using ideas based around the history of culture and .. attempt to forgive them..!!! Rush? Er... I have difficulty following your logic.
lostinthelandoflies 2 years ago
For example it can be proved he also suffered from both ADHD and PPD... both according to the DSM-IV and the the Charlson Comorbidity commitee to be related. You can google to find out further information. Thanks for the information. I am sure it will be of the greatest importance to those who run our society.
lostinthelandoflies 2 years ago
I read an article in the news a couple days ago that the "Psychiatry and Industry of Death" Museum (which I do find ammsuing that they are actually calling this crap a "museum, though I'm sure they are using that term to give it a sense of unwarrented credibility) is being shown in a student building at HARVARD FUCKING UNIVERSITY!!! A university (and not just ANY university) that HAS A PSYCHIATRY SCHOOL!!!
Cyntari 2 years ago
You should download this series and bring it there on a laptop. Also its capable to download the industry of death so if theres any scilons claiming youre taking it out of context you can always flick back to prove it.
NicosMind 2 years ago
This has happened several times in the past I believe, where the "museum" was featured in or near a college, there are youtube vids of student protests in regards to it. Students at Harvard are likely entering the "museum" and laughing their asses off.
Cinthorc 2 years ago
I mean an every day net radio show. Would that tax you too emotionally? It would me...
darthspeaks 2 years ago
I would not care to argue whether or not psychiatry is a scam or not. But does psychiatric treatment really work?
rosiertodd 2 years ago
much like with medicine it depends on the DR as well as the treatment.
13Heathens 2 years ago
And the patient. Medication alone is never or should never be considered a fix all. Therepy should always be required on top of the medication but unfortunately even if the psychiatrist gives a patient advice deserving of a Nobel Prize that doesn't mean the patient will follow through with it. It's the patient's choice as well.
Cyntari 2 years ago
I really enjoy listening to you. You seem intelligent and well informed. You should start a radio show on the Internet - you would be successful.
darthspeaks 2 years ago
as far as medication of children. if a doctor gives out a drug based on what they are told, i think they too are responsible. american society in particular seems to be hell bent on finding some miracle drug to answer all their cures. i see drug pushers go in and out of doctors offices, plenty of buy my drugs on tv, and morons who DEMAND drugs from doctors. if they don't get it from one, they find someone who will.
mistereveready 2 years ago
Haha -- I love when the Scientologists post comments pretending that they're NOT Scientologists, but then they state some ridiculous L Ron Hubbard-jargon statement and totally blow their cover.
They really can't stay away from all the gobbledygook propaganda that they've been programmed with. Sad.
NarkAnon 2 years ago
New age medicine?? No!! You keep making things up here, putting words in my mouth to suit your site and agenda. I mention Chinese Medicine and you go ape shit.? Come on!! Your Anti~Science, a religious bigot and it's minds like yours that keep society in the stone age.. You can respond to me out of context all you like it just proves your ignorance of your own mind and knowledge of any workable solutions. Remember to breathe...
TOPHER142 2 years ago
Psychosomatic Medicine was not the idea of Hubbards. (Psych- = Mind. Somatic= Body) The idea has been around for a few thousand years particularly in Chinese Medicine
You really have No concept of any Mental Healing Techniques. I have been in Practice for over 20 years. Start learning how to breathe first and see if that helps. Take some B-vitamins and if your head starts to clear in 3 to 5 years give me a call and we'll start therapy
TOPHER142 2 years ago
"You'd do well to not provoke me to return to the topics of Scientology and CCHR"????? What the hell are you talking about.?? Provoke you?? Are you going to reach though the Internet and hit me with your Bible..? I cant believe I'm wasting my time with you. It's a dirty job but someone has to get you off the cool-aid.
TOPHER142 2 years ago
Nope, Why would you think that? And who cares? Do you worship Neo and Morpheus? Are we all in a Dream world sleeping in a vat of goo.? Your problem is you don't care about anything, don't believe in anything and have the philosophical intelligence if a nat. And still haven't answered my question. Who are you working for? Eli Lilly? Merck? Johnson&Johnson? Or are you just a Crazy Christian that thinks all other Religions are worshiping a"false idle" Divide and Conquer right? Is that your M.O?
TOPHER142 2 years ago
Just the Label of the diagnosis of Schizophrenia is damaging to a troubled mind, a fraud in it's self as there is no test for these "Mental Diseases" This is not about the "chemical Imbalance in the Brian debate"
TOPHER142 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Facts. 1) I'm a licensed family therapist and treat ADD kids and adults in my practice to great success with No Drugs. My interest in mind began at 15 studying Psychiatry and Psychology for over 35 years to understand my fathers diagnosis of Schizophrenia at 24. After years of Psych Drugging with dangerous psychotropics like Haldol, Thorazine and Shock Treatments it all came down to a simple Gluten Intolerance, but is was to late, this "Tech" cut his life to 54 years and robbed us of a father..
TOPHER142 2 years ago
Medical science has known for many years about body chemistry and the Mind Body connection. Stress in the Endocrine system is related to body chemistry. It's known 80% of illness is Psycho-somatic, but there system based in profit not healing. A large corprate machine that mantains its statis quo with massive lies and unlimited budgets. You are nothing but a small tool in this machine. Your actions here are motivated by philosopical, religious hate and or intolorance. This page is proof of that.
TOPHER142 2 years ago
eh very few religions i've seen are worth respecting. those only seem to be in asia. but all forms of medicine/help have bastardization. some therapist/psychiatrist are legitimately good and care. while i think a majority are in the field for money/recognition.
mistereveready 2 years ago
Actually I'd have to disagree with you on that one. Most get into the field in order to help others, but they aren't newsworthy..
dedicated fans don't make the news, yet fans who stalk the celebrity they're obsessed with certainly do. Thus the "dedicated" fans that you tend to hear about are those that are just screwed up. Thus the media tends to give a warped view of fans..
This is paralleled in almost all areas. The bad apples aren't a majority, but they are news worthy.
13Heathens 2 years ago
i should have been more specific, most of the doctors/psychiatrist i've met have been charlatans. and quite a few i've been informed about through friends/family are as well. guess depends on region.
mistereveready 2 years ago
I don't know about charlatans, but I've certainly met plenty of shrinks which show signs of a malignant narcissism.
13Heathens 2 years ago
If Dr Sauze is using "stuff" from the 70's as you say.. Why is Psychiatry still using Tech from 1883 and Benjamen Rush (Who supported Eugenics by the way) and Frauds Theory of Psychoanalysis is now going on 100 years old.. What did this bring us to in the 70s? Dr. BF. Skinner
TOPHER142 2 years ago
He thought it would be a good idea to put his Daughter in cage for 6 months to study aspects of behavior.?They are not doing anything,, there is no real work being done. They are just giving pills out like they where candy because they have no real workable science. It is a Pseudo-Science in the name of one thing, Control. Any they use the simple axiom "The bigger the Lie More people will believe it" Looks like you bought it Hook, Line & Sinker. Or the real question is,Who are you working for?
TOPHER142 2 years ago
I love your vids 13h
kmarzfg 2 years ago
Seriously?
You don't have to be a scientologist to know that shrinks are quacks. They even have their own book of pretended 'disorders' because pathologists (ie real doctors) won't allow that crap in actual medical texts. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM)...no statistics.
Total fraud, but is sure sounds credible doesn't it.....well...that's where it ends.
Listen to the truth from a Professor of Psychiatry, who admits the truth of it all right here on Youtube, Dr. Thomas Szasz
newfieronin 2 years ago
seems like u are using ur voice just as the video guy is lol
NoFriendKid 3 years ago
do you know what an academic psychiatrist is?
or a drug sales rep who is also a psychiatrist?
what about a psychiatrist who also sits on the board of the FDA and votes to approve paxil?
actually almost everyone who approved paxil through the FDA was a psychiatrist.
did you know that any drug that has been in circulation for less than 7 years is still in the "testing" phase?
every day shrinks giving verbal psychotherapy are not our target but they may get caught in the xfire from time to time.
disseminator88008 3 years ago
you are wrong about ADHD. Many kids are medicated against the parents will. Social workers are snatching kids from school because parents dont want to drug their children. CPS makes alot of money and so does everyone else. You even sound like a shrink. GET RID OF KOO KOO NUTS. More people have died from psychiatry than all the wars.
osoluckyme 3 years ago
They make it sound like 3 years instead of 30, I thought they said 3 years, had to rewind three times (lots of other sounds on atm) to hear it. Lame
ericedbj 3 years ago
Scientology =
Ongoing Criminal Organization =
(RICO)Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act and,
(Anti-SLAPP) Strategic Lawsuit against Public Participation] =
Camp FED.
Expect It
LFraudHubbard 3 years ago
lame dude american psychiatrist at pathetic work of redeeming psychiatry. Useless is the work of words, the facts stay for themselves...PSYCHIATRY - NO CURE EVER - ONLY VICTIMS ! your anger and style of response says it all, lame psychiatrist !
vodacuza 3 years ago
Scientologists came up with this??
Wow that REALLY screams "We are a bunch of contradictory lunatics!!!"
OoOBeachKiwiOoO 3 years ago
CCHR is mainly scientology. Period. David Miscavige has said it himself.
kmarzfg 3 years ago
Gusha you are wrong. Period. The end. CCHR is a group composed mainly of scientologists who use their propaganda to hurt the field of mental health (NOT just psychiatry) in the name of civil rights. What they are doing is depleting an already underfunded field of further resources WHILE OFFERING NO SCIENTIFIC OR VIABLE SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS.
kmarzfg 3 years ago
As have I man. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about it but the CCHR is good people doing good things.
1977!
GushaKajiri 3 years ago
Every bit of information that the CCHR puts to the public is 100% true and backed up by thousands upon thousands of legal documents!
Don't buy into this propaganda! You can get a free "Psychiatry An Industry Of Death" package at the CCHR offical website!
And sir... Psychiatry has infiltrated our Schools so for the past thirty years it has infiltrated every aspect of that generations lives for sure!
Your numbers aren't even right. Go hide behind Anon some more and harass even more Pro CCHRers
GushaKajiri 3 years ago
How is it the parents fault when schools tell the parents of 5yos "Either put him on medication or find another school for him?"
Sidenote: Their are school to school relationships (even outside districts) and when you leave one and even ATTEMPT to goto another there is an exchange of information soo... Normally they make it imposable for the student to find another school. They usually end up back at the same school, on meds, and in various "behavioral modification" class rooms.
GushaKajiri 3 years ago
I will agree that scientology has many defects, and that their attempt at attacking psychiatry is somewhat misguided, but in some cases their criticism is correct. If too many children are taking ritalin and anti-depressants, that certainly is in large part the responsability of psychiatrists, some families actualy ask if there is any other treatment besides drugs, and the psychiatrist says: "well, drugs are essential".
suarez976 3 years ago
Also, I was treated against my will and I was not a danger to myself or anyone else.
suarez976 3 years ago
And you said in the description:
"Psychiatrists do not hypnotize patients.. That's hypnotherapy not psychology or psychiatry."
Well, some psychologists do hypnotize their patients. The whole "repressed memory / false memory" controversy arose out of psychologists who did hypnotize their patients to help their patients "remember" they were raped or raised in a satanic cult.
suarez976 3 years ago
"Brainwashed fanaticism merits little attention."
Your right I should have never posted a comment on your video in the first place;)
rosiertodd 3 years ago 3
Rosie. Were you born retarded, or did you learn it from your parents? Here's a new word for you to learn: Research
TheEvilOfScientology 3 years ago
I personally don't give a cunt fuck what L Ron Hubbard says about psychiatry or anybody for that matter. I think for myself and make my own decisions. I have done research, read the DSM, listened to psychiatric jib jarb. My conclusion its a fraud, total bullshit. Fuck psychiatrist and thier plan to degrade human beings.
rosiertodd 3 years ago
Great!
TheEvilOfScientology 3 years ago
EDIT: I apologise; I just watched a couple of your videos. You're not retarded, you're just an insane freak.
Cheers.
TheEvilOfScientology 3 years ago
@rosiertodd
Scientology is segregation and separation from those you love.
Scientology is violence, hard labor,100 work weeks no pay.
Scientology is intimate confessionals which can be used against you at any time.
Scientology is tears, fears, abortions, death,
isolation, defamation, discrimination, and lies.
Scientology is hatred, fair game, hurt and pain.
Scientology will rape you of life as you know it.
Scientology, there's no other con like it: "Give us your money, we'll take your life."
OpenComments 1 year ago
Psychiatry is a fraud. For those who support psychiatry after watching this documentary its only because you wish to destroy humanity.
"Its the parents fault for the child being put on Ritalin" Wrong fucking source!! Although the parents are being gullible. Psychiatrist do this for money and further degrading the child.
rosiertodd 3 years ago 2
brilliant video ... thank you for making this :) keep it up
alucard9692005 3 years ago
Man, you are lame. I don't know who is worse; "scary voiceover guy" or "dripping with sarcasm guy"; the latter being you. Your arguments in this video are lame. To touch on a few; "It ain't the psychiatrist's fault if he wrongly puts a child on drugs - it is the parents' fault. The parent that came to the 'doctor' for help. Silly parent". "Involuntary commitment - rare." Florida; 2006; 120,506 "emergency commitments". One state. One year. Please remove head from ass yourself.
Synantonym 3 years ago
The point of "scary voice over guy" is to point out that tone and timber of a speaker can have an emotional impact on a listener. It's no coincidence that the same kind of voice is used repeatedly in previews for horror flicks.
The point about the parents and medication is that young children don't exactly have the communication skills to say "Hey doc, I can't focus or sit still in class. I also ramble alot and stand right up in people's faces. What's up with that?"
anongoddess 3 years ago
A doctor HAS to often rely on the testimonials of the parents to make a decision.The parents are with the child to observe patters of behavior, presumably, and that information is used as a diagnostic tool.Sometimes, this feedback can be dangerous.Case in point, a mental illness called Munchausen by proxy. Yes the doctor prescribed the drugs, however if the parents lie to him or give innacurate information, how is he SUPPOSED to effectively treat the child.This applies to ANY field of medicine!
anongoddess 3 years ago
Perfect video! CCHR, like CO$ tries to use "scare" tactics like at any minute the psychs can come and wisk you away and torture you against your will. Please! It's their biggest competition, that's the ONLY reason they have such hatred.
exSCNlovesANON 3 years ago
I do not agree with CCHR or Scientology but I have seen the way psychiatrists operate and it is very deceptive compared to conventional medicine
wwwFamilyPrideOrg 3 years ago
Dude! You are FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!
im subscribing right now.
DKHellsing 3 years ago
Hail Xenu!
soulinite 3 years ago
"that particular answer is one that people need to look in the mirror to find" i love that statement. it really shows how this should be dealt with, on an INDIVIDUAL basis.
as we all know Scientology only hates the 'phycs' because they are a much better alternative to Scientology. plus psychiatry ACTUALLY WORKS.
scrumpmonkey 3 years ago
Can you upload the full length video to Vimeo. Also take out the references to trolling at the start (the general public won't get it). This would allow anti-scientology sites to host your video on their websites. Just a suggestion.
chrisholland 3 years ago
Great work! Hail Xenu!
soulinite 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
whatever. this lisping snake gives me a headache.
ANONYMOUSisFAIL 3 years ago
The Toronto Org was shut down yesterday from 14:00 to close by a mini-raid.
The Toronto Org will be shut down today from 14:00 on by a mini-raid.
Hail Xenu galatic overlord of OT3.
soulinite 3 years ago
If you weren't a payed O$A operative you might like this videos a little more.
Hail Xenu the galatic overlord of OT3.
soulinite 3 years ago
When I saw this part of the video at CCHR Los Angeles, it was so obvious that the psychiatrists were being quoted out of context that it wasn't even funny. The editors were starting in the middle of sentences, etc.
JohnnyAnonic 3 years ago
THANKS!!
Great Series!!
AnonFTLD 3 years ago
Dude you have way too much spit in your mouth.
Uptomyknees 3 years ago
"...it is nearly impossible to separate them from the Church of Scientology."
"Nearly?" The CCHR scam *IS* Scientology: the crime syndicate calls the scam "safe-pointing," wherein they try to stop people from seeking health care services and get sick people to give the mob money.... even if it means the sick people must die.
FearRonPaulCultists 3 years ago
Another great take 13H! Wow their math really does suck, but not nearly as much as Co$ cult over-all.
Keep up the good work, you are articulate and entertaining too!
Lookin' forward to next installments in this series!
Rock on Anon!
Ogsonofgroo 3 years ago
no Bob Ross, The Joy of Painting.. on PBS.. the guy had this big afro and beard and had this very calm sorta voice.. u sound like him. anyways,, good stuff man
colbour 3 years ago
Fantastic! I've been enjoying your series on Hubbard the Hutt's books, and it's great to see you tackle the CCHR BS.
supafreakapotamus 3 years ago
great video, cant wait for the series, so happy to hear you call them out on this shit!
Keep them coming!!!
MARYBLEUZ 3 years ago
CoS does not discriminate between "mentally ill" and "episode [s]"
Those are two different situations completely.
There's also plenty of situations when medication isn't the treatment of choice at all.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago
For me it's simple.
Psych drugs are a *medical choice* between oneself and one's doctor.
CoS wants to *take that choice* away from you.
AnonOutreach 3 years ago