@modestaduck I have a friend at UCLA right now, same situation, he started having brain seizures, and broke his neck falling from them, and he does not have epilepsy... he lived in box canyon during the same time
I lived in Simi Valley from 1972 to 1986. My mother has had breast cancer 3 xs, thyroid cancer and stomach cancer. My father has had thyroid cancer. My grandmother died of cancer and my uncle died of cancer. I have a non malignant mass in my thyroid. HHHHMMMM oh and yes on asthma and severe allergies all the way around. Sad because I love Simi Valley.
Marie Curie learned that certain rocks give off energy, and she decided to study this behavior. She named it radioactivity. She earned a couple of Nobel Prizes for her study, and then she became the first person on earth to die from radiation poisoning.
Good people of Simi Valley, Marie Curie would want you to take care of your health. And John Wayne, who also died of radiation poisoning, would want you to remind your democraticly-elected leaders who's boss. I grew up in Hawthorne. Peace
but i thought only totalitarian communist monsters kept their nuclear accidents secret? i always thought america was a safe haven of truth, freedom and law? ah now i get it: communists were evil and so all they did was evil. this was benign democratic radiation of freedom which gave you freedom tumors and freedom cancer. even if you died from it, it was okay because it was for freedom and democracy
We have a rocketdyne site 30 miles north of my house. They poluted the ground water soooo bad. There is still an old rocket engine and oober closed down bunkers over there.
Born in '60, I grew up in Canoga Park, at Vanowen and Platt. We would regularly play in the hills pretty close to Rocketdyne. We heard many engine tests which rattled our windows and saw the smoke rising from Rocketdyne during the engine tests. Later, in my 20's and 30's I did phone work in Rocketdyne from time to time....and now I have Thyroid cancer. There's no way to prove exactly what caused my cancer....but it's sure coincidental.
When I was a kid I could watch them test the rocket motors at night from my bedroom window from 1966-1971
Wonder if my dad would of bought in the area if he knew what happen at rocketdyne, I'm betting he wouldn't have, he passed away from leukemia in 1993. There's no history of leukemia in our family.
Boeing has contested the law, filing a lawsuit in September 2009 to release it from compliance, with a court date set for summer 2011. Remember this Summer the court date is set for. Also adjacent properties such as KB Homes' Runkle Canyon Development present a great danger to surrounding residents.
@quickcooper61 BTW, here is proof from 1998 (almost 30 years after the reservoir was closed) that TCE and other jet fuels were found in ground water. articles.latimes.com/1998/feb/26/local/me-23234 Remember 30yrs earlier or even earlier considering the 1st incident with SRE was in 1959, could have contaminated the ground water far worse that what we are detecting 30 years later. SSFL poses a real threat to local residents and no matter how you spin it, people should take precautions.
My family lived in Reseda at this time. Our next door neighbor worked at Rocketdyne. I remember him coming home one day to talk to my parents.I never saw him again., His name was Gene Shanks. Soon after his was fell ill and I remember an ambulance taking her away and never saw her again either. We moved that summer to the San Gabriel Valley near Diamond Bar. Both of my parents had cancer my mother had thyroid cancer that summer and my dad died from cancer. I'm not sure if it was related.
Everyone that is living in a surrounding community or has contracted cancer in some form,.... we need to keep the attention on Rocketdyne... now more than ever people are concerned with this and no one expects to hear of this disaster. Remember Rocketdyne had no containment vessels and with 3 separate incidents years apart makes this the worst nuc disaster. The reactor may have been smaller but the negligence and lack of information has made this more disastrous for the surrounding residents.
@mk3dubster Rocketdyne no longer exists. that site is no longer used for nuclear research, it is however used for rocket and jet system testing. Now that you know why don't you move rather than complain about how much damage it has caused? It cannot simply be cleaned up. So what would you propose everyone does? And I would say that in a way I am a victim. I have had 3 relatives die from cancer, two of which I wouldn't doubt had something to do with Rocketdyne.
@quickcooper61 The site does still exist just under another company, Boeing. The site no longer tests nuclear reactors, but the damage is done. I'm glad you admitted it can't be cleaned, so then the government needs to step up and inform the public and not lie and say the $55 million cleanup worked. Lies don't help and moving for most people at this point won't do any good. Massive gamma ray and other heavy metal exposure is toxic so moving won't reverse exposure. BTW most jet fuels are toxic 2.
I never denied that there was no damage done. So it sounds like all you want is a sincere apology from the government. I doubt anyone now a days would mind it... Since all those responsible are now dead. I know jet fuels are toxic but they are not quite like gamma rays, and I have personally seen some of the testing methods as I have a few friends who do research out there. I wouldn't say there was a massive gamma ray exposure either.
@quickcooper61 How do you know for certain there isn't massive gamma ray exposure? The reactors had no containment vessels, they used regular industrial buildings from the late 50s and 60s and you believe that is adequate for protecting the surrounding areas and residents with 1/3 of the reactors fuel vaporized and on 2 separate other occasions the rods were exposed? Frankly I don't believe there was no gamma ray exposure and with 3 incidents, massive exposure is very practical.
@quickcooper61 Also an apology is not adequate at this point. The government needs to tell the truth, but it won't. The whole area is really dangerous especially for small children even today. Many thousands have become sick and have died..... sorry is not satisfactory as a response especially now. Medical bill reimbursement and full medical evaluations for all residents within a hundred miles is a start.
@quickcooper61 The Chatsworth reservoir was shut down 10 yrs after the SRE incident, but the government said it was due to seismic activity. Thats obviously BS because they never even told the public about the incident 10 years earlier. They know it affected local residents and it got into ground water, but instead of informing the public so they could evacuate the area and take precautions, the government lied and covered it up. The decision makers & current counterparts are responsible.
@mk3dubster I wouldn't doubt that they shut it down due to Seismic activity... Have you seen a fault line map of the LA area? We are practically living on ledges. On the other hand it does make one wonder if it was mainly for other reasons. You must remember that the AEC and everyone working under them truly believed that they were helping the world by refining nuclear tech to be a safe clean usable solution to energy
@quickcooper61 The Seismic activity your referring to has never been a real danger for this reservoir. The Northridge earthquake would have substantially damaged this reservoir if it in fact was in danger from seismic activity. There is proof they knew TCE and other jet fuel contaminants were in the ground water and with the res being so close to SSFL and how these contaminants migrate, they knew it did or could pose a risk. You really think they in 1969 would tell the public of the danger?Nope
@mk3dubster I would not mind in the least working for Boeing or lockheed, but I do not. I am a mechanical engineering student at CSUN. It is more likely that people are getting sick from what we eat and use in our daily lives. I don't deny that there is a possibility that many people have gotten sick because of the accidents at the test facility, but you nor anyone else can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accidents are what undeniably caused the illnesses.
@quickcooper61 Based on all your responses, which have attempted to marginalize the dangers and effects of SSFL and people's own accounts and effects, I have to question, why are so adamant in suggesting no risk to local residents and employees? Why do keep responding by bolstering Boeing and Rocketdyne with little to no proof to back up your refuting statements? I could be wrong, but based on how you have responded, I get the sense your somehow affiliated with Boeing.. maybe Defense Attorney?
@mk3dubster I agree, there are some properties within a stones throw. But like I said before this was at the infancy of the nuclear age. It was one of the first large experimental labs in the world at the time. They clearly did not know much about the health effects it carried or how much damage it could do uncontained or even how much of what is needed for containment. Truly unfortunate but that is a reality now that no one alive is responsible for.
@quickcooper61 Well we obviously disagree on many levels. As far as people who made the decision being dead or not is not my concern because even today the government is not being forthright with everything. So, even though the original decision makers may be dead, current counterparts are still making decisions not in our best interest in regards to this. In addition they need to inform the public of the dangers and stop building on and around this site. Ignorance is not an excuse for homicide.
@mk3dubster Whoa whoa whoa Homicide is a FAR cry from manslaughter and at that I wouldn't even call it manslaughter because there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the radiation is what gave so many unfortunate people cancer. It could have been any number of things due to the advanced nature of our culture (i.e. complex unnatural compounds that we use everyday). Not to mention all the Genetically modified organisms that we are exposed to now days.
@quickcooper61 copy and paste this into YouTube - then watch and we'll talk about cancer. These two accounts are already miles ahead of your claims: The Rockets' Red Glare trailer: First Installment
@quickcooper61 I believe this could be considered Negligent Homicide and it wouldn't be far out there to make a case. They (Rockwell) knew of possible dangers, grant it you could argue that they might not have intended to expose employees and other local residents to deadly contaminants, but there is overwhelming proof that they did know the reactors exposed workers to radiation and they chose not to inform the employees who were exposed of the possible dangers associated with exposure.
@quickcooper61 Give me a break ,..Granada Hills and Thousand Oaks are still miles away from places like Bell Canyon, Chatsworth, Simi Valley, Agoura, West Hills, and Calabasas. Wake up your not nearly in the danger zone as much as these communities are. You can try to down play this incident, but it is horrific and the fact the federal government has never openly admitted to the problem just compounds this disaster into something far worse than an "accident". You didn't have cancer so shut up.
@mk3dubster No I don't have cancer but that doesn't mean my life hasn't been affected by it. I know and have felt the impact of it just as much as anyone else. For those who have dealt with cancer in their family they should know that it gives life a deeper meaning than simply living a full life. Everyone dies at some point. If you can't come to terms with that I feel for you. Again this was an accident, would you like us to string up the late CEO of RD? Would that make everyone feel better?
@quickcooper61 ...grow up....you keep acting like your a victim, but by your own admission you haven't had any problems and you lived miles away from the main danger communities. There are real people posting here who have been directly affected by the cr@p generated by this facility and you keep telling them they should just deal with it. Show some compassion.To answer your question... the CEO of R&D is not nearly as responsible as the AEC who contracted this work and knew of the dangers.
You know what grinds my gears? People expecting one single person or group of persons to take responsibility for this. Get real! It is absolutely tragic for certain, but this was at the infancy of nuclear power. While scientists had an elementary idea of the dangers of radiation, they themselves couldn't fully grasp it because there was a simple lack of information surrounding the subject. Mistakes were made, but so was progress in (leaps and bounds) safety, knowledge and usefulness.
@quickcooper61 You know what grinds my gears? People moving to a safe area to raise a family and are caught in the wake of something that was not properly detained, contained or even educated/informed about. Residuals from this meltdown have resulted in numerous upon numerous cancer-related deaths and silent suffering. While interplanetary space-travel is going to prove vital for us in the future, since the company was experimenting - it is their responsibility to have warned. End of story.
I was diagnosed with Thyroid Cancer at the age of 4 and have been battling it my entire life. YES - I got cancer from the Santa Susana Field Lab. I was also a part of a lawsuit against Boeing for this meltdown but the Statute of Limitations had run out so 264 of us lost our fight against them. Every time Rocketdyne is back in the news I get infuriated because of the injustices against the Simi Valley residents.
@jessicagesell That horrible. I'm sorry to read this happened. I really hope these people get what's coming to them. Good luck with your battle, best wishes.
I lived in Simi Valley from 1960 to 1970. My family's stats: Mother died of lymphoma at age 46. My father died of cancer 10 tears ago. All of my grandparents died of cancer. I was diagnosed with throat cancer in 2008, (I had no risk factors for throat cancer, never smoked, rarely drink) was treated, and so far am still cancer free. I stumbled upon this video totally by accident a few months ago. I am appalled that no one was warned, or told. Were we guinea pigs or something?
Lets talk about what they claim to be doing up there today? EPA cleanup is a nice cover story. I hike extensively around the lab and they sure have alot of people working up there. I think Boeing is testing jet fuel mix's to this day. Seen large containers delivered 10,000 gal variety. Delta and numerous rocket fuel mix's were perfected there. How about chemtrail research or fuel experiments which are used on Boeing planes. Nice Boeing facility now.
@TeamModernwarfare I'd like to see them - I'm from England with absolutely no connection to the nuclear/rocket industry but this sort of thing is intriguing... cheers!!
My brother bought a house and moved his family to Simi in 1964..his wife died of cancer, he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer, and his daughter in law is in her last stages of cancer (she was raised in Simi) is 3 in one family "normal"?
grew up in Simi 64-84 dad dies of leukemia 1990, now I have leukemia. Rocketdyne was a tragedy that did not have to happen and the coverup is unbelievable. Evil comes in many forms.
I used to play in the creek in Woolsey Cyn. a mile up from Plummer. I grew up on Lava place (very close) My Dad told me when we moved in (1967) before I was born our house had been vacant so rats had got in...he spent a month trapping them and he said he incinerated them in our fireplace rather than bury them because every single one of them had purple-black tumors growing on them...he didn't want our dogs to even touch them and he used gloves coz he was scared
It would be bad to go on a hike through the hills near and downwind (West) of the old Rocketdyne testing facilities. The community a the base of those hills, the Knolls, is not much better. The water table has also been polluted with rocket fuel components, but municipal water is a small portion of that (under 10%). The rest of Simi is fine.
I work for the DOE thank you and I believe 20 yrs doing this (working at Los.Alamos) credits my knowledge on reactors thats why I said what I said .....I KNOW!!!
No... Ignorant hippie. Generation IV Nuclear Power Plants do not compare to the one in the hills of Simi Valley. Omg. Do some research instead of typing things that make you look like a retard. Coal power plants also release radiation by burning coal that has lots of other materials such as uranium. Do some research. Honestly.
Haha, I live about 6 miles from there... You used to be able to hear the test rockets being fired every now and then. But now i dont think they test up there anymore
These type of old-school Atomic-Age experiments scare me. Their knowledge was limited and they had absolutely no concern with consequences, both immediate and future. I've never even heard of this incident.. imagine how many more things like this happened we'll never hear of.
Yea so now Tramwell Crow corporation is trying to dig up Roscoe/Fallbrook and put stores and industry there.
All the time avoiding all possible real testing. Last night the West Hills Neighborhood Councel voted no on allowing them to re zone to M1, basically means can manufacture there and the epa standards for clean land, is not as strick as the current zoneing.
They are trying to dig and build there and not clean. People, pay attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I learned about the meltdown after I was interogated and asked the questionWhy are you radioactive?just after the war started. I speculated that maybe the UCLA reactor leaked, but little did I know at the time that my childhood in Malibu, down hill from S.R.E. At SSFL, was the cause. There seems to be a hidden epidemological study underway, with at least one subject having a RFID implanted forpatient identification. Lucky me....
I wouldn't worry yourself, you should be pretty safe. Though people can be affected by radiation, don't retain it. You won't be radioactive. UCLA's reactor is "tabletop" sized and no threat to Malibu. Also, any leaks from SSFL would lie at that mountain's base or swept away on Western winds, all far from Malibu. UCLA's epidemiological is open for public review
When I went to the Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas I tested myself with a Geiger Counter. Glow in dark watch, small reading, ceramic plate, small reading, my arm, spike meter every 5 seconds.Damnedest thing I've seen. Medical folks freak when they see my blood,Dentists freak when they see my gums.I figure Sr-90 got uptaked into Ca bone structure.
The winds that blow from SSFL to Malibu are known locally as the "Santa Anna Winds". The cabin where I got the high fever from radiation poisoning is now part of a Forbes top-ten Estates List. A neutron backscatter analyzer would identify the isotope thats in me,but I have not yet come across one that people let me see the results from.Ho-hum...
i would not worry so much about simi valley. The wind typically blows from the west to the east in that part of the world. San Fernando valley got the dose from this.
There are the times of heavy rains and frequent fires in the hills of Simi to consider. These helped to expose residents that may not have been affected by toxic winds. This led to polluted soil and water tables.
Yea it does, haha, ive been hiking up there before too. They built some house up in the hills and they have REALY high cancer rates and the feds are just going to keep the facility open so they dont have to pay millions to clean it up.
all i can say is holy crap. this is depressing but not really a suprise from our government. i watched this and thought of -space shuttle challenger-space shuttle columbia-etc.
I lived in Simi since 1977.I felt and heard the engine tests as a kid.Later as a teen I found out about the partial meltdown of an experimental reactor.Friends of mine in the medical field tell me Simi has the highest rate of thyroid cancers in Ventura county and my parents friends told me about Trike use to clean the equipment that workers didn't use masks or protective gear.Trichloroethylene is a known cancer causer in lab mice and rats.Radiation and chemicals are still on the site.
The sad truth is that this is what all governments are like. People may work to get into office with good intentions, but they eventually have to bow to the power structure and power corrupts. When something like this goes down it's not about doing the right thing, it's about coving your own ass until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it.
When something like this goes down it's not about doing the right thing, it's about coving your own ass until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it.
And the government shouldn't have hid this! The people of the surrounding area have a right to know. It's their lives that are in potential danger, not the 'big wigs' in Washington!
i live in Simi still, my mother died of cancer back in 91 probably based on this!! we lived close to it but from what i was told its been cleaned but my take is no way, DO PEOPLE think that they really know what they are doing with this stuff, we are messing with something that we have no knowledge of as usual mans conquest to screw with nature.
@scripttron75 in all fairness this accident happened in the infancy of nuclear power. We have come a long long way since then. This may very well be the type of tech that allows us to one day make space transit to other planets possible, and I mean that in a completely serious way. In order to learn about something you must first explore it. If you don't then you will never know.
@quickcooper61 - true, exploration is key, but you're not helping anyone with cancer-related illnesses or deaths in their family that they feel is a direct result of Rocketdyne exposure, feel any better with your grandiose posts. "With great power comes great responsibility." They harnessed the great power - they tucked their tails with the 'great responsibility'. Something tells me you don't live in the surrounding areas with that attitude and approach.
@MondoMovie1977 I actually live in Thousand Oaks and was raised in and around that exact area. Both sides of my family have lived in Granada hills since before 1950. Both my parents were born in granada hills and both of my grandfathers were engineers at lockheed for more than 25 years. In fact one of them did contracting work with Rocketdyne at that same facility in the 50's. Both of whom died of cancer. One at 69 from a brain tumor the other from lung cancer at 80.
@quickcooper61 Man, after learning of all this a few years back, seeing my friends in their twenties get cancer and neighbors die from it, I would have LOVED to grow up in Thousand Oaks! Try being born and raised at the mouth of Box Canyon/Valley Circle and we'll talk further, good sir.
@MondoMovie1977 Well count your blessings. I would have loved to grow up in box canyon or around lake Manor. I just absolutely love that area. You can only play the cards that life has dealt you and choose to be happy or choose to miserable. I am sorry for your misfortune.
@quickcooper61 Thank you, but fortunately, I have no misfortune - as I am seemingly healthy - but I grew up right there and have my concerns for my health's future. Btw, yes, the area was a nice place to grow up, on the surface - but no one in their right mind would ever choose to live there, had that information been public.
@MondoMovie1977 My mother (also an engineer in the aerospace/ defense industry) had cancer at the age of 52 but luckily it was caught in time and removed completely. I believe that all of these cases were directly related to the hazards of their jobs. Like I mentioned before it was a major mistake (or tragedy if you want to call it that) but hanging someone out to dry isn't the way to go about getting justice. There was very little knowledge of radiation and its effects on the human body.
I just watched a similar History Channel video about TMI. The heavily financed myth that "no one died at Three Mile Island" is high among the most lethal lies ever told by American industry.
I can only speculate deaths related to ROCKETDYNE subcontractor of SoCal since it was an estimated 240 times the radiation release of the 3-Mile Island accident.
Yeah, I guess you could be right. Decades of nuclear waste and rocket fuel... The people at Rocketdyne (aka Boeing) say it is safe. But, they also own the property. They might be biased.
Check out gottigo's videos, UFO's go there and around chatsworth because of this. Don't believe me check out her videos. I have come to the conclusion that they are there exclusively because of what this video is presenthing. Wow. It all makes sense now.
Rocketdyne? More like CYBER- DYNE
lightlittlebrownboy 1 month ago
@modestaduck I have a friend at UCLA right now, same situation, he started having brain seizures, and broke his neck falling from them, and he does not have epilepsy... he lived in box canyon during the same time
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I lived in Simi Valley from 1972 to 1986. My mother has had breast cancer 3 xs, thyroid cancer and stomach cancer. My father has had thyroid cancer. My grandmother died of cancer and my uncle died of cancer. I have a non malignant mass in my thyroid. HHHHMMMM oh and yes on asthma and severe allergies all the way around. Sad because I love Simi Valley.
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Marie Curie learned that certain rocks give off energy, and she decided to study this behavior. She named it radioactivity. She earned a couple of Nobel Prizes for her study, and then she became the first person on earth to die from radiation poisoning.
Good people of Simi Valley, Marie Curie would want you to take care of your health. And John Wayne, who also died of radiation poisoning, would want you to remind your democraticly-elected leaders who's boss. I grew up in Hawthorne. Peace
MikeMandaville 9 months ago
but i thought only totalitarian communist monsters kept their nuclear accidents secret? i always thought america was a safe haven of truth, freedom and law? ah now i get it: communists were evil and so all they did was evil. this was benign democratic radiation of freedom which gave you freedom tumors and freedom cancer. even if you died from it, it was okay because it was for freedom and democracy
cracknigga 9 months ago
i like racing my car on santa susana pass
rocko0431 9 months ago
We have a rocketdyne site 30 miles north of my house. They poluted the ground water soooo bad. There is still an old rocket engine and oober closed down bunkers over there.
HasanAbulFez 10 months ago
FIrst I've heard of the meltdown and this video.
Born in '60, I grew up in Canoga Park, at Vanowen and Platt. We would regularly play in the hills pretty close to Rocketdyne. We heard many engine tests which rattled our windows and saw the smoke rising from Rocketdyne during the engine tests. Later, in my 20's and 30's I did phone work in Rocketdyne from time to time....and now I have Thyroid cancer. There's no way to prove exactly what caused my cancer....but it's sure coincidental.
gregmgm06 11 months ago
When I was a kid I could watch them test the rocket motors at night from my bedroom window from 1966-1971
Wonder if my dad would of bought in the area if he knew what happen at rocketdyne, I'm betting he wouldn't have, he passed away from leukemia in 1993. There's no history of leukemia in our family.
onlyweknow2 11 months ago
Boeing has contested the law, filing a lawsuit in September 2009 to release it from compliance, with a court date set for summer 2011. Remember this Summer the court date is set for. Also adjacent properties such as KB Homes' Runkle Canyon Development present a great danger to surrounding residents.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 BTW, here is proof from 1998 (almost 30 years after the reservoir was closed) that TCE and other jet fuels were found in ground water. articles.latimes.com/1998/feb/26/local/me-23234 Remember 30yrs earlier or even earlier considering the 1st incident with SRE was in 1959, could have contaminated the ground water far worse that what we are detecting 30 years later. SSFL poses a real threat to local residents and no matter how you spin it, people should take precautions.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
My family lived in Reseda at this time. Our next door neighbor worked at Rocketdyne. I remember him coming home one day to talk to my parents.I never saw him again., His name was Gene Shanks. Soon after his was fell ill and I remember an ambulance taking her away and never saw her again either. We moved that summer to the San Gabriel Valley near Diamond Bar. Both of my parents had cancer my mother had thyroid cancer that summer and my dad died from cancer. I'm not sure if it was related.
LizardKing0851 11 months ago
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mk3dubster 11 months ago
Everyone that is living in a surrounding community or has contracted cancer in some form,.... we need to keep the attention on Rocketdyne... now more than ever people are concerned with this and no one expects to hear of this disaster. Remember Rocketdyne had no containment vessels and with 3 separate incidents years apart makes this the worst nuc disaster. The reactor may have been smaller but the negligence and lack of information has made this more disastrous for the surrounding residents.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@mk3dubster Rocketdyne no longer exists. that site is no longer used for nuclear research, it is however used for rocket and jet system testing. Now that you know why don't you move rather than complain about how much damage it has caused? It cannot simply be cleaned up. So what would you propose everyone does? And I would say that in a way I am a victim. I have had 3 relatives die from cancer, two of which I wouldn't doubt had something to do with Rocketdyne.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 The site does still exist just under another company, Boeing. The site no longer tests nuclear reactors, but the damage is done. I'm glad you admitted it can't be cleaned, so then the government needs to step up and inform the public and not lie and say the $55 million cleanup worked. Lies don't help and moving for most people at this point won't do any good. Massive gamma ray and other heavy metal exposure is toxic so moving won't reverse exposure. BTW most jet fuels are toxic 2.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
I never denied that there was no damage done. So it sounds like all you want is a sincere apology from the government. I doubt anyone now a days would mind it... Since all those responsible are now dead. I know jet fuels are toxic but they are not quite like gamma rays, and I have personally seen some of the testing methods as I have a few friends who do research out there. I wouldn't say there was a massive gamma ray exposure either.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 How do you know for certain there isn't massive gamma ray exposure? The reactors had no containment vessels, they used regular industrial buildings from the late 50s and 60s and you believe that is adequate for protecting the surrounding areas and residents with 1/3 of the reactors fuel vaporized and on 2 separate other occasions the rods were exposed? Frankly I don't believe there was no gamma ray exposure and with 3 incidents, massive exposure is very practical.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 Also an apology is not adequate at this point. The government needs to tell the truth, but it won't. The whole area is really dangerous especially for small children even today. Many thousands have become sick and have died..... sorry is not satisfactory as a response especially now. Medical bill reimbursement and full medical evaluations for all residents within a hundred miles is a start.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 The Chatsworth reservoir was shut down 10 yrs after the SRE incident, but the government said it was due to seismic activity. Thats obviously BS because they never even told the public about the incident 10 years earlier. They know it affected local residents and it got into ground water, but instead of informing the public so they could evacuate the area and take precautions, the government lied and covered it up. The decision makers & current counterparts are responsible.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@mk3dubster I wouldn't doubt that they shut it down due to Seismic activity... Have you seen a fault line map of the LA area? We are practically living on ledges. On the other hand it does make one wonder if it was mainly for other reasons. You must remember that the AEC and everyone working under them truly believed that they were helping the world by refining nuclear tech to be a safe clean usable solution to energy
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 The Seismic activity your referring to has never been a real danger for this reservoir. The Northridge earthquake would have substantially damaged this reservoir if it in fact was in danger from seismic activity. There is proof they knew TCE and other jet fuel contaminants were in the ground water and with the res being so close to SSFL and how these contaminants migrate, they knew it did or could pose a risk. You really think they in 1969 would tell the public of the danger?Nope
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@mk3dubster I would not mind in the least working for Boeing or lockheed, but I do not. I am a mechanical engineering student at CSUN. It is more likely that people are getting sick from what we eat and use in our daily lives. I don't deny that there is a possibility that many people have gotten sick because of the accidents at the test facility, but you nor anyone else can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accidents are what undeniably caused the illnesses.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 Based on all your responses, which have attempted to marginalize the dangers and effects of SSFL and people's own accounts and effects, I have to question, why are so adamant in suggesting no risk to local residents and employees? Why do keep responding by bolstering Boeing and Rocketdyne with little to no proof to back up your refuting statements? I could be wrong, but based on how you have responded, I get the sense your somehow affiliated with Boeing.. maybe Defense Attorney?
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@mk3dubster I agree, there are some properties within a stones throw. But like I said before this was at the infancy of the nuclear age. It was one of the first large experimental labs in the world at the time. They clearly did not know much about the health effects it carried or how much damage it could do uncontained or even how much of what is needed for containment. Truly unfortunate but that is a reality now that no one alive is responsible for.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 Well we obviously disagree on many levels. As far as people who made the decision being dead or not is not my concern because even today the government is not being forthright with everything. So, even though the original decision makers may be dead, current counterparts are still making decisions not in our best interest in regards to this. In addition they need to inform the public of the dangers and stop building on and around this site. Ignorance is not an excuse for homicide.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@mk3dubster Whoa whoa whoa Homicide is a FAR cry from manslaughter and at that I wouldn't even call it manslaughter because there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the radiation is what gave so many unfortunate people cancer. It could have been any number of things due to the advanced nature of our culture (i.e. complex unnatural compounds that we use everyday). Not to mention all the Genetically modified organisms that we are exposed to now days.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 copy and paste this into YouTube - then watch and we'll talk about cancer. These two accounts are already miles ahead of your claims: The Rockets' Red Glare trailer: First Installment
MondoMovie1977 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 I believe this could be considered Negligent Homicide and it wouldn't be far out there to make a case. They (Rockwell) knew of possible dangers, grant it you could argue that they might not have intended to expose employees and other local residents to deadly contaminants, but there is overwhelming proof that they did know the reactors exposed workers to radiation and they chose not to inform the employees who were exposed of the possible dangers associated with exposure.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
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mk3dubster 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 Give me a break ,..Granada Hills and Thousand Oaks are still miles away from places like Bell Canyon, Chatsworth, Simi Valley, Agoura, West Hills, and Calabasas. Wake up your not nearly in the danger zone as much as these communities are. You can try to down play this incident, but it is horrific and the fact the federal government has never openly admitted to the problem just compounds this disaster into something far worse than an "accident". You didn't have cancer so shut up.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@mk3dubster No I don't have cancer but that doesn't mean my life hasn't been affected by it. I know and have felt the impact of it just as much as anyone else. For those who have dealt with cancer in their family they should know that it gives life a deeper meaning than simply living a full life. Everyone dies at some point. If you can't come to terms with that I feel for you. Again this was an accident, would you like us to string up the late CEO of RD? Would that make everyone feel better?
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 ...grow up....you keep acting like your a victim, but by your own admission you haven't had any problems and you lived miles away from the main danger communities. There are real people posting here who have been directly affected by the cr@p generated by this facility and you keep telling them they should just deal with it. Show some compassion.To answer your question... the CEO of R&D is not nearly as responsible as the AEC who contracted this work and knew of the dangers.
mk3dubster 11 months ago
@Oakfox1981 will do
bradley1328 11 months ago
You know what grinds my gears? People expecting one single person or group of persons to take responsibility for this. Get real! It is absolutely tragic for certain, but this was at the infancy of nuclear power. While scientists had an elementary idea of the dangers of radiation, they themselves couldn't fully grasp it because there was a simple lack of information surrounding the subject. Mistakes were made, but so was progress in (leaps and bounds) safety, knowledge and usefulness.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 You know what grinds my gears? People moving to a safe area to raise a family and are caught in the wake of something that was not properly detained, contained or even educated/informed about. Residuals from this meltdown have resulted in numerous upon numerous cancer-related deaths and silent suffering. While interplanetary space-travel is going to prove vital for us in the future, since the company was experimenting - it is their responsibility to have warned. End of story.
MondoMovie1977 11 months ago
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People should be warned! Put THIS on the news!
zoomproductionro 11 months ago
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PEOPLE SHOULD BE WARNED. THEY SHOULD SEE THIS. PUT THIS IN THE NEWS!
zoomproductionro 11 months ago
I was diagnosed with Thyroid Cancer at the age of 4 and have been battling it my entire life. YES - I got cancer from the Santa Susana Field Lab. I was also a part of a lawsuit against Boeing for this meltdown but the Statute of Limitations had run out so 264 of us lost our fight against them. Every time Rocketdyne is back in the news I get infuriated because of the injustices against the Simi Valley residents.
jessicagesell 1 year ago 4
@jessicagesell That horrible. I'm sorry to read this happened. I really hope these people get what's coming to them. Good luck with your battle, best wishes.
MisterBinx 11 months ago
I lived in Simi Valley from 1960 to 1970. My family's stats: Mother died of lymphoma at age 46. My father died of cancer 10 tears ago. All of my grandparents died of cancer. I was diagnosed with throat cancer in 2008, (I had no risk factors for throat cancer, never smoked, rarely drink) was treated, and so far am still cancer free. I stumbled upon this video totally by accident a few months ago. I am appalled that no one was warned, or told. Were we guinea pigs or something?
DakiniSword 1 year ago 20
@DakiniSword In short, yes, we were test subjects. Back when energy from nuclear power was tested, no one knew of the extent of danger.
rocketdyne 1 year ago 5
HOLY SH*T. How have I not heard of this before? Right in my own backyard????
plzkeepitlegit 1 year ago
My family lived in Simi from 1970 to 1980 and here are our Stats:
Father died of Cancer age 60
Mother - in Cancer treatment
Oldest Brother died of Cancer at age 50
Oldest Sister has Cancer and had been given 6 months age 52
Grandparents are all gone from Cancer
It's like a time bomb!
Kelleykrazy 1 year ago
Lets talk about what they claim to be doing up there today? EPA cleanup is a nice cover story. I hike extensively around the lab and they sure have alot of people working up there. I think Boeing is testing jet fuel mix's to this day. Seen large containers delivered 10,000 gal variety. Delta and numerous rocket fuel mix's were perfected there. How about chemtrail research or fuel experiments which are used on Boeing planes. Nice Boeing facility now.
RetroFishman 1 year ago
@TeamModernwarfare I'd like to see them - I'm from England with absolutely no connection to the nuclear/rocket industry but this sort of thing is intriguing... cheers!!
jmcooney2000 1 year ago
My brother bought a house and moved his family to Simi in 1964..his wife died of cancer, he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer, and his daughter in law is in her last stages of cancer (she was raised in Simi) is 3 in one family "normal"?
joanmerrick1 1 year ago
@TeamModernwarfare I'd like to see those pictures you took!
jho3000 1 year ago
grew up in Simi 64-84 dad dies of leukemia 1990, now I have leukemia. Rocketdyne was a tragedy that did not have to happen and the coverup is unbelievable. Evil comes in many forms.
debbiedoesraw 1 year ago 2
I used to play in the creek in Woolsey Cyn. a mile up from Plummer. I grew up on Lava place (very close) My Dad told me when we moved in (1967) before I was born our house had been vacant so rats had got in...he spent a month trapping them and he said he incinerated them in our fireplace rather than bury them because every single one of them had purple-black tumors growing on them...he didn't want our dogs to even touch them and he used gloves coz he was scared
that they looked so weak and sick
econoroller 1 year ago
so would it be bad to live in simi valley in present day
prfkt2 1 year ago
@prfkt2
It would be bad to go on a hike through the hills near and downwind (West) of the old Rocketdyne testing facilities. The community a the base of those hills, the Knolls, is not much better. The water table has also been polluted with rocket fuel components, but municipal water is a small portion of that (under 10%). The rest of Simi is fine.
jho3000 1 year ago
things just go wrong.. the cowgoys are wrong..
81538 2 years ago
well, we have trouble and no one can fix it..
81538 2 years ago
I stumbled upon the site today on accident. I never realized how close to the city it really is!
h20poloplyr03 2 years ago
I grew up in Simi Valley.....
Fike2308 2 years ago
i grew up there as well near the hill rocketdyne sits on we could always see their engine testing. this was in the early sixties
paulsnurse 1 year ago
I'm proud to be a mutant with super powers.
Goooo Simi!!!!!
RabbitDance 2 years ago
i live here!!!!
Delilaza18 2 years ago
I work for the DOE thank you and I believe 20 yrs doing this (working at Los.Alamos) credits my knowledge on reactors thats why I said what I said .....I KNOW!!!
ETURNUM 2 years ago
Be afraid of the "New School" ones TOO!
ETURNUM 2 years ago
No... Ignorant hippie. Generation IV Nuclear Power Plants do not compare to the one in the hills of Simi Valley. Omg. Do some research instead of typing things that make you look like a retard. Coal power plants also release radiation by burning coal that has lots of other materials such as uranium. Do some research. Honestly.
Phazz3d0ut 2 years ago
interesting, thanks coal is bad stuff too..
81538 2 years ago
Haha, I live about 6 miles from there... You used to be able to hear the test rockets being fired every now and then. But now i dont think they test up there anymore
tegelpoca 2 years ago
These type of old-school Atomic-Age experiments scare me. Their knowledge was limited and they had absolutely no concern with consequences, both immediate and future. I've never even heard of this incident.. imagine how many more things like this happened we'll never hear of.
geofree1984 2 years ago
Yea so now Tramwell Crow corporation is trying to dig up Roscoe/Fallbrook and put stores and industry there.
All the time avoiding all possible real testing. Last night the West Hills Neighborhood Councel voted no on allowing them to re zone to M1, basically means can manufacture there and the epa standards for clean land, is not as strick as the current zoneing.
They are trying to dig and build there and not clean. People, pay attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That area is toxic!
toxicwh 3 years ago
I learned about the meltdown after I was interogated and asked the questionWhy are you radioactive?just after the war started. I speculated that maybe the UCLA reactor leaked, but little did I know at the time that my childhood in Malibu, down hill from S.R.E. At SSFL, was the cause. There seems to be a hidden epidemological study underway, with at least one subject having a RFID implanted forpatient identification. Lucky me....
BruceRFID 3 years ago
I wouldn't worry yourself, you should be pretty safe. Though people can be affected by radiation, don't retain it. You won't be radioactive. UCLA's reactor is "tabletop" sized and no threat to Malibu. Also, any leaks from SSFL would lie at that mountain's base or swept away on Western winds, all far from Malibu. UCLA's epidemiological is open for public review
rocketdyne 3 years ago 2
When I went to the Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas I tested myself with a Geiger Counter. Glow in dark watch, small reading, ceramic plate, small reading, my arm, spike meter every 5 seconds.Damnedest thing I've seen. Medical folks freak when they see my blood,Dentists freak when they see my gums.I figure Sr-90 got uptaked into Ca bone structure.
BruceRFID 3 years ago
The winds that blow from SSFL to Malibu are known locally as the "Santa Anna Winds". The cabin where I got the high fever from radiation poisoning is now part of a Forbes top-ten Estates List. A neutron backscatter analyzer would identify the isotope thats in me,but I have not yet come across one that people let me see the results from.Ho-hum...
BruceRFID 3 years ago
lol this was on modern marvels
2346 3 years ago
gooooooooooooo simi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shortygrl301 3 years ago
Been here in Simi for 9 years. Learned about this spill last year. I freaked out a little... Only cause Mr. Collins had it. haha :]
blahblahblahblaaaah 3 years ago
i would not worry so much about simi valley. The wind typically blows from the west to the east in that part of the world. San Fernando valley got the dose from this.
lemuroid2142 3 years ago
There are the times of heavy rains and frequent fires in the hills of Simi to consider. These helped to expose residents that may not have been affected by toxic winds. This led to polluted soil and water tables.
jho3000 3 years ago 2
Also remember that the Rocketdyne facility is on the top of a hill, which has creeks and runoff that flow down both sides into the ground water.
Dselvagg 3 years ago
Yea it does, haha, ive been hiking up there before too. They built some house up in the hills and they have REALY high cancer rates and the feds are just going to keep the facility open so they dont have to pay millions to clean it up.
tegelpoca 2 years ago
cancer is from heavily processed meats and cream sodas
fai1saf3 2 years ago
i still live in simi
babyhippo123 3 years ago
all i can say is holy crap. this is depressing but not really a suprise from our government. i watched this and thought of -space shuttle challenger-space shuttle columbia-etc.
nlucas4 4 years ago
I lived in Simi since 1977.I felt and heard the engine tests as a kid.Later as a teen I found out about the partial meltdown of an experimental reactor.Friends of mine in the medical field tell me Simi has the highest rate of thyroid cancers in Ventura county and my parents friends told me about Trike use to clean the equipment that workers didn't use masks or protective gear.Trichloroethylene is a known cancer causer in lab mice and rats.Radiation and chemicals are still on the site.
paulutd69 4 years ago
The sad truth is that this is what all governments are like. People may work to get into office with good intentions, but they eventually have to bow to the power structure and power corrupts. When something like this goes down it's not about doing the right thing, it's about coving your own ass until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it.
treehose 4 years ago 7
2of2
When something like this goes down it's not about doing the right thing, it's about coving your own ass until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it.
treehose 4 years ago
This is also where our taxes go.
FilmPA 4 years ago
Wait, the radiation is still around us?
And the government shouldn't have hid this! The people of the surrounding area have a right to know. It's their lives that are in potential danger, not the 'big wigs' in Washington!
This is depressing...
PurpleCarnation 4 years ago
Wow, almost 12,000 views.
briandennert 4 years ago
i live in Simi still, my mother died of cancer back in 91 probably based on this!! we lived close to it but from what i was told its been cleaned but my take is no way, DO PEOPLE think that they really know what they are doing with this stuff, we are messing with something that we have no knowledge of as usual mans conquest to screw with nature.
scripttron75 4 years ago
@scripttron75 in all fairness this accident happened in the infancy of nuclear power. We have come a long long way since then. This may very well be the type of tech that allows us to one day make space transit to other planets possible, and I mean that in a completely serious way. In order to learn about something you must first explore it. If you don't then you will never know.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 - true, exploration is key, but you're not helping anyone with cancer-related illnesses or deaths in their family that they feel is a direct result of Rocketdyne exposure, feel any better with your grandiose posts. "With great power comes great responsibility." They harnessed the great power - they tucked their tails with the 'great responsibility'. Something tells me you don't live in the surrounding areas with that attitude and approach.
MondoMovie1977 11 months ago
@MondoMovie1977 I actually live in Thousand Oaks and was raised in and around that exact area. Both sides of my family have lived in Granada hills since before 1950. Both my parents were born in granada hills and both of my grandfathers were engineers at lockheed for more than 25 years. In fact one of them did contracting work with Rocketdyne at that same facility in the 50's. Both of whom died of cancer. One at 69 from a brain tumor the other from lung cancer at 80.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 Man, after learning of all this a few years back, seeing my friends in their twenties get cancer and neighbors die from it, I would have LOVED to grow up in Thousand Oaks! Try being born and raised at the mouth of Box Canyon/Valley Circle and we'll talk further, good sir.
MondoMovie1977 11 months ago
@MondoMovie1977 Well count your blessings. I would have loved to grow up in box canyon or around lake Manor. I just absolutely love that area. You can only play the cards that life has dealt you and choose to be happy or choose to miserable. I am sorry for your misfortune.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@quickcooper61 Thank you, but fortunately, I have no misfortune - as I am seemingly healthy - but I grew up right there and have my concerns for my health's future. Btw, yes, the area was a nice place to grow up, on the surface - but no one in their right mind would ever choose to live there, had that information been public.
MondoMovie1977 11 months ago
@MondoMovie1977 My mother (also an engineer in the aerospace/ defense industry) had cancer at the age of 52 but luckily it was caught in time and removed completely. I believe that all of these cases were directly related to the hazards of their jobs. Like I mentioned before it was a major mistake (or tragedy if you want to call it that) but hanging someone out to dry isn't the way to go about getting justice. There was very little knowledge of radiation and its effects on the human body.
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@MondoMovie1977 That is why it's called an "accident"
quickcooper61 11 months ago
@scripttron75 LOL...91. C'mon.
CatapultYourMom 11 months ago
I just watched a similar History Channel video about TMI. The heavily financed myth that "no one died at Three Mile Island" is high among the most lethal lies ever told by American industry.
I can only speculate deaths related to ROCKETDYNE subcontractor of SoCal since it was an estimated 240 times the radiation release of the 3-Mile Island accident.
vi67 4 years ago
lmao you guys are pretty dumb
this won't hurt you at all
jtrainor 4 years ago
Yeah, I guess you could be right. Decades of nuclear waste and rocket fuel... The people at Rocketdyne (aka Boeing) say it is safe. But, they also own the property. They might be biased.
jho3000 4 years ago 2
I use to live in Simi!I'm gonna get cancer Or somethng!!!!!!!!!!
xxgoneXxX 4 years ago
Only 1% of over 2,000 acres was cleaned up. Boeing made a deal with the Dept. of Energy. Look up "Rocketdyne" on MySpace for more info.
jho3000 4 years ago
i live ther
joshkatell 4 years ago
Californians - email, mail, or call by 15Sept2007 please ask - your assembly member to voteFOR SB990 ask - Governor Schwarzenegger to approve SB990
sayzYou 4 years ago
Is there anything being done to try and clean it up?
warrenisgoneforever 4 years ago
Death Penalty for all supervisors.
gundamdoublex 4 years ago
Oops ! What a cock up.
Gobobo24 4 years ago
dammit, i lived right next to santa susana for a while and i always drank from the garden hose, now im gona get cancer or something....
dugan7458 4 years ago
that facility has caused nothing but trouble for us the water in simi is almost undrinkable because their waste leaked into the water supply
eavegtel 4 years ago
Check out gottigo's videos, UFO's go there and around chatsworth because of this. Don't believe me check out her videos. I have come to the conclusion that they are there exclusively because of what this video is presenthing. Wow. It all makes sense now.
sypha0x 4 years ago
so i guess the nuclear commission members wont mind living there huh?
iamsosogay 4 years ago
shit man i live there.
Mishappp 5 years ago
Also, i forgot to ask has anyone tested the cattle that graze near the Jewish school ?
oakfox1981 5 years ago
If any of you need me to volunteer out in Simi let me know.
oakfox1981 5 years ago