... Fripp told the band the next record would be more collaborative. But when presented with some of Collins' music, he refused to even play it - said it wasn't Crimson. The other guys all quit. Then he got Bruford to commit. The 71-72 band did one more tour together, enjoyed it, asked Fripp if they could work together and he said sorry, I've moved on. I hear "Islands" as him successfully manipulating these guys into making a good record. And this track is what the other guys wanted to do.
@hiddenfire65 I've always thought Fripp had a mistaken view of himself as NOT an asshole. Asshole is not the worst thing in the world to be (I'm one), but with Bob you somehow get the idea he'd be offended if you told him he's always behaved as if "King Crimson" were never really anything more to him than "Fripp and Friends," or, worse, "Fripp and Others."
@dantean He's a solitary guy whose original band deserted him, and who spent his career trying to make the original band's legacy continue. Yeah he's a control freak, and yeah he rationalizes it in different ways than most people, but if you combine his difficult childhood with the trauamatic event of the original band quitting, this is what you get.
@crazyedd123 Smith's book sheds light on his childhood. His parents would leave he and his sister to fend for themselves frequently. There was an absence of parental affection, and at school he was a bit "mean" at times.
@hiddenfire65 Ah, thanks for that, I may have to buy this book. I sometimes wonder if Fripp has any form of mental disorder; if you watch him in interviews he has a very unusual way of speaking and has a very 'intense' air about him.
Plus, being left-handed may have made things difficult for him. It's not as bad nowadays but, back then it was still considered an oddity, probably why Fripp loves Hendrix so much.
@crazyedd123 The book talks a lot about Fripp. It's really a great book. Smith lays every phase of KC out clearly, with all the major players' perspectives.
I read the relevant pages from Smith's book just now. Fripp states that he had stopped believing that this unit could give voice to Crimson. It manifested itself in him doing a tour without speaking to anyone, totally withdrawing, and freaking everyone out. Subsequently, he told Sinfield that they could no longer work together. TBC ...
According to Sid Smith's book, Fripp was pretty unhappy with the band. If anyone here who's a Crimson fan hasn't read that book, I cannot recommend it highly enough. Smith talks to almost everyone who was in the band, and communicates each of their perspectives clearly. I never read a better band biography.
In case people don't know, this was a popular Pharoah Sanders track ... the original is much better. This is pretty embarassing, very aimless. I can see why Fripp felt this band wouldn't work for him.
@hiddenfire65 sounds like a good jam. Crimson always forges ahead, I think they gelled, then he met new people. Crimson were 100x more active than bands today.
@TheTaxman67 Do you know that for fact? Musical creativity is a special thing, follow the muse. Seems like Crimson had no limit on music, just when new musicians appeared they played.
Massive points just for knowing Pharaoh Sanders and trying this. Burrell's vocal is however devoid of the spirit. And Collins not strong enough; Pharaoh much more muscular a player. Wallace is too predictable and limited. This band was, as Fripp recognized, nowhere near the first KC or the Lark's Tongue incarnation. Fripp, though, always Fripp. Impossible for me to imagine a world without a Fripp in it. I don't want to live in such a world.
this song apears in a collection's club album "live in summit studios 1972", it is beautiful and there are another amazing improvisations in the same album.
Grazie del commento. Ti invidio comunque l’aver vissuto quell’epoca che, sebbene difficile e ricca di contrasti, trovo più viva e stimolante dell’attuale.
ebbravo !!!! Grandi King Crimson A quei tempi con la musica si " viaggiava" alla grande. Io vivevo a Torino e in ogni cantina si faceva o si ascoltava musica
Does anybody knows if there was an LP (CD) issued for this excelent work? Hi from Fresnillo Mexico
MrPaco137 1 month ago
@MrPaco137
LIVE AT SUMMIT STUDIOS 1972 The 9th Collectors' Club release (February, 2000).
mrsalzano 1 month ago
Good Jazz, but were'is crasy RF Guitar?
MsVictor1956 2 months ago
pa,evo,40-tak godina od objavljivanja ovih djela,još imaju istu svježinu i zavodljivost,dobre stvari nemaju rpk trajanja,to je davno dokazano...
brankovicaco 3 months ago
Yeah Fripp needs to chill.
I loved this lineup.
RIP Boz and Ian.
Crimson were great up to '75.
I think Fripp's lost the plot in the last 20 yrs.
blitzman64 4 months ago
Pretty bad cover
smithers1078 4 months ago
I think it´s probably the Most Magick Mark of Crimson, I would´ve loved to hear more Crimson records with them...
lisanders11 4 months ago
... Fripp told the band the next record would be more collaborative. But when presented with some of Collins' music, he refused to even play it - said it wasn't Crimson. The other guys all quit. Then he got Bruford to commit. The 71-72 band did one more tour together, enjoyed it, asked Fripp if they could work together and he said sorry, I've moved on. I hear "Islands" as him successfully manipulating these guys into making a good record. And this track is what the other guys wanted to do.
hiddenfire65 5 months ago
@hiddenfire65 I've always thought Fripp had a mistaken view of himself as NOT an asshole. Asshole is not the worst thing in the world to be (I'm one), but with Bob you somehow get the idea he'd be offended if you told him he's always behaved as if "King Crimson" were never really anything more to him than "Fripp and Friends," or, worse, "Fripp and Others."
dantean 2 months ago
@dantean He's a solitary guy whose original band deserted him, and who spent his career trying to make the original band's legacy continue. Yeah he's a control freak, and yeah he rationalizes it in different ways than most people, but if you combine his difficult childhood with the trauamatic event of the original band quitting, this is what you get.
hiddenfire65 2 months ago
@hiddenfire65 What do you mean about his 'difficult childhood?' It might shed some light on why Fripp can be abit 'odd.'
crazyedd123 1 month ago
@crazyedd123 Smith's book sheds light on his childhood. His parents would leave he and his sister to fend for themselves frequently. There was an absence of parental affection, and at school he was a bit "mean" at times.
hiddenfire65 1 month ago
@hiddenfire65 Ah, thanks for that, I may have to buy this book. I sometimes wonder if Fripp has any form of mental disorder; if you watch him in interviews he has a very unusual way of speaking and has a very 'intense' air about him.
Plus, being left-handed may have made things difficult for him. It's not as bad nowadays but, back then it was still considered an oddity, probably why Fripp loves Hendrix so much.
crazyedd123 1 month ago
@crazyedd123 The book talks a lot about Fripp. It's really a great book. Smith lays every phase of KC out clearly, with all the major players' perspectives.
hiddenfire65 1 month ago
I read the relevant pages from Smith's book just now. Fripp states that he had stopped believing that this unit could give voice to Crimson. It manifested itself in him doing a tour without speaking to anyone, totally withdrawing, and freaking everyone out. Subsequently, he told Sinfield that they could no longer work together. TBC ...
hiddenfire65 5 months ago
I'm sorry to see that Sid Smith's book is hard to get now, at least in the US. Hopefully it'll be back in print soon.
hiddenfire65 5 months ago
According to Sid Smith's book, Fripp was pretty unhappy with the band. If anyone here who's a Crimson fan hasn't read that book, I cannot recommend it highly enough. Smith talks to almost everyone who was in the band, and communicates each of their perspectives clearly. I never read a better band biography.
hiddenfire65 5 months ago
so groovy and jazzy, incredible musicianship. vibe-ing out~
aoeria 5 months ago
In case people don't know, this was a popular Pharoah Sanders track ... the original is much better. This is pretty embarassing, very aimless. I can see why Fripp felt this band wouldn't work for him.
hiddenfire65 5 months ago
@hiddenfire65 sounds like a good jam. Crimson always forges ahead, I think they gelled, then he met new people. Crimson were 100x more active than bands today.
aoeria 5 months ago
its too bad fripp didnt get along with original lineup or even wetton lineup, due might have been a tad paranoid, whatcha all think?
TheTaxman67 5 months ago
@TheTaxman67 Do you know that for fact? Musical creativity is a special thing, follow the muse. Seems like Crimson had no limit on music, just when new musicians appeared they played.
aoeria 5 months ago
poor sound quality though
TheTaxman67 5 months ago
where'd this come from, im fripping
TheTaxman67 5 months ago
<3
BadButNotSad 7 months ago
I guess porcupine tree got the title of their song the creator has a master tape from this? cool
parabola1212 10 months ago
@AndreasVar Yea wow
spacepatrolman 11 months ago
Burrel and Wallace were the greatest musicians who created the best masterpiee of 20th century Islands, I fell so sad that they died(((((
Rishon1981 11 months ago
MINDBENDINGLY GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!
ksjoyjespeace 1 year ago
Dang I love this song, and true to life, don't be afraid what your friends might say when you believe in God above.
Crimzoid21 1 year ago
Che storia! I King Crimson che interpretano Pharoah Sanders! Non me l'immaginavo proprio.
Bello comunque.
eginardozyz 1 year ago
Massive points just for knowing Pharaoh Sanders and trying this. Burrell's vocal is however devoid of the spirit. And Collins not strong enough; Pharaoh much more muscular a player. Wallace is too predictable and limited. This band was, as Fripp recognized, nowhere near the first KC or the Lark's Tongue incarnation. Fripp, though, always Fripp. Impossible for me to imagine a world without a Fripp in it. I don't want to live in such a world.
MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
this song apears in a collection's club album "live in summit studios 1972", it is beautiful and there are another amazing improvisations in the same album.
marcobandini1 1 year ago
@marcobandini1 I have a question: How do you join the club?
Crimzoid21 11 months ago
Grazie del commento. Ti invidio comunque l’aver vissuto quell’epoca che, sebbene difficile e ricca di contrasti, trovo più viva e stimolante dell’attuale.
mrsalzano 1 year ago
ebbravo !!!! Grandi King Crimson A quei tempi con la musica si " viaggiava" alla grande. Io vivevo a Torino e in ogni cantina si faceva o si ascoltava musica
Complimenti 9:53 minuti di ottimo sound :-)
TheKalos54 1 year ago 2