Japanese people are mix race of negritos, se asians (D2 y-snp) and east asians. Japanese are not a pure race but a bastardization of different types of southeast asians and east asians.
Perhaps my style to behave would suit Japan better than my country of birth. I can only test whether this is true or not by actually living in Japan for a few years at least.
I am considering moving out of my country of birth to Japan and one big reason is that I'd like to live in a place with more politeness. I get rudeness thrown at me almost every time I go out and it's very unwelcome. I am a quiet guy and I mind my own business and walk quietly along the street and still get rudeness directed at me. Sometimes I think I'm too polite as I don't respond to any of it with rudeness or aggression.
Wow, this is brilliant. I was just 改めて introduced to this video by Softypapa on LylesBother Channel, and this was exactly the problem I had with the Japanese culture when I first returned to Japan after being in the States for a good long while, and I appear Japanese as well so they'd expect me to understand. Really brilliant and well made!
At first I watched this and was sceptical, I was sure that the first two examples were exaggerations, but when I saw the two Japanese people style I smiled because I realised how true this representation is with my experience with Japanese people. So the other examples are certainly closer to westerners than the third one.
Huh. Really? I'm a Chinese person who's lived in Japan as an elementary school kid and then moved to the US for middle school, high school, and college, and I view the cultures in the exact opposite way. I feel like westerners tend to be more subtle about everything, while Japanese people are more open and willing to duke it out, so to speak. That might be because I lived in Japan when I was a child and in the US when I'm more - more grown up, hmm.
@Acerola211 I think kids are more direct everywhere in the world, and within Japan, Kansai is of course a lot more in your face than other parts of Japan. However, in adult society, the pattern shown in this vid is pretty consistently accurate for me, and others I know in other parts of Japan. I think there is generally a higher expectation of manners and carefulness among adults in Japan than other countries I know of.
Wow, this might have been if I had seen it when I lived in Japan. That was years ago, but I'm pretty sure I had several cases where this would explain why some things wouldn't go so well. (I have to confess that I think this video might be a bit overly biased to Japanese people, but maybe the creators were just trying to impart the wisdom in "when in japan, do as the japanese")
Ironically, it seems that regardless to my perceived bias, many people on the comments prefer style 1.
So...the message here is that Japanese people are reasonable, compassionate, and understanding of different points of view...Westerners are arrogant, insulting, stubborn and rude. OK. I see. Thank you so much for educating me on these points. I am so happy Japanese people don't use stereotypes. I am also happy that Japanese people are not bigoted in their views of Westerners. After all, Japanese people are always reasonable and balanced.
@itsinthebag2010xyz I guess that this is hard for some people to understand without being here. (1) this is about culture, not stereotypes, (2) the video is not intending to present one as better than the other, and (3) ask anyone who lives here and many non-Japanese, Asian more than westerners find the anti-confrontationalism and indirectness of Japanese to be at best frustrating, and at worst, dishonest and deceptive behaviour.
Point is that Japanese culture generally is less confrontational
@itsinthebag2010xyz Of course everyone is different, but there are also overarching cultural values and behaviours that distinguish cultures. Pretending that those differences don't exist or denying them is precisely what gets people into trouble when travelling and leads to the kind of misunderstandings that many foreigners, including myself end up dealing with in Japan, and vice versa.
Travel a bit and you'll get it, and begin to understand the joke.
@hikotalk Travel a bit? I lived in Japan for 4 years, Europe for 6, and have travelled all over the world. I can see this is meant to be a "joke", but jokes can be dangerous things... It's slanted and bigoted. I suspect that you're the type of foreigner who is in Japan for the long term and therefore, to maintain your sanity, defends their behavior and tries to explain it to the gaijin... I know, because I used to be that type of foreigner :-)
@itsinthebag2010xyz Oh dear. Okay, we can go on suspecting what gaijin stereotype we fit into. If you care to understand my take on accepting or rejecting Japanese culture, go check my vid "it ain't easy being Japanese". It's a crap vid, but it covers everything.
The key to this vid is the second scenario. Maybe you haven't been through it, but I have, multiple times, as has nearly every native English speaker I know who has lived life in Japan as "the (only) gaijin" in a company or school"
@Hikosaemon I spent many years trying to "understand" them, trying to accept their behavior, trying be open-minded and I realized it's just a waste of time... I *almost* lost my religion in Japan (metaphorically speaking) and got out before that happened, lol. We Americans are raised to value honest dealing, straight talking, questioning, being inquisitive, being curious, explaining our actions, justifying our assertions, etc etc , you know the deal. In Japan I found a nation of robots!
@itsinthebag2010xyz My old video I suggested takes that subject - can gaijins live as Japanese? My conclusion is "yes, but it's not worth it" (just saved you 20 minutes). I've more or less come to the same conclusion as you - and went for the gaijin company option in the end. Point is though, if you are in the middle of trying to survive in a hardcore J-culture environment, these are the kinds of principles you need to follow. You can't reject the culture of where you are and survive in it.
@itsinthebag2010xyz I get the impression you are reacting to what you perceive as a qualitative aspect to the vid - an inference that the Japanese way is better. That's not intended at all. Both are exaggerated caricatures, of the honest deal straight talking westerner (you said it yourself), and the evasive "death before conflict" Japanese. You should know that's not made up, and I'm not prepared to condemn either. The first skit was drafted as a crappy Seinfeld tribute.
@Hikosaemon You're right...but the way I see it, how can you not perceive it as qualitative? The first skit is ugly, the second one is attractive! Seems there's a subliminal message. Maybe an example of a Japanese behaving in an ugly manner (and they do!) would balance it.
Anyway, I'm looking at your "It Ain't Easy Being Japanese" video right now...interesting.
@itsinthebag2010xyz Cool man. I tried very consciously to basically do skits 1 and 3 in a comical but non-judgmental way, although obviously the perfect balance is never there, and of course the bias is towards helping out my friends in the skit No 2 situation in Japanese companies not understanding why they have been shunned. Honestly, having worked in an environment doing Skit 3 for more than a decade, and working in a Skit 1 environment now, I prefer Skit 1 as a discussion style. By far.
@Hikosaemon Good points...but sometimes I felt that "not getting shunned" meant basically turning into a mute, deaf, dumb robot slave! I don't mean to sound silly but really...the tacit rule seemed to be "do it our way, don't ever voice an opinion or disagree, and we'll get along fine...otherwise, you get outcast!" What kind of way is that to live? I mean, they could say "This is the Japanese way" to just about anything, as a way of getting you to conform and obey....Go ahead and shun me, folks!
@Hikosaemon PS: I have had Japanese say things to me like, "Unlike Westerners, we Japanese never argue, we are always gentle and peaceful when we have a discussion, we always consider the other person's point of view, we are very sensitive to other's feelings..." I mean COME ON, MAN! If an American spewed that kind of bullcrap they would be laughed out of the room! And yet, I would wager that the majority of Japanese truly do see themselves that way! Are they fed that propaganda from birth???
@itsinthebag2010xyz lol, when told that, I like to say how impressed I am also with the fact Japan is the only country with four seasons, how Japanese intestines are too long to digest imported beef, and how strange and wonderful it is that their toilets spin the opposite way to New Zealand when flushed.
I'm not intending to plug nihonjinron here (wow, did I hit a nerve with you?!). You pointed out yourself that there are differences in discussion style. Good news is, I AM NOT YOUR OLD BUCHO.
@Hikosaemon Ha...OK I realize I'm sounding like a bitter old Gaijin who got burned by Japan. Don't get me wrong- many many wonderful experiences there, and I was treated very kindly most of the time. It seemed the moment I developed a true affection for Japanese friends, the wall came down, as if I had gone too far. I didn't like that feeling! Like they needed to remind me (and themselves I suppose) that the rules forbade me from getting that close. Oh well.
@Hikosaemon I've heard just about all of the above...Plus: Japanese people have a more sensitive sense of smell and taste than non-Japanese, and how the Toyota brake problems were due to the way Westerners drive (Japanese are more gentle on the brake). To be fair, as an American I was raised to believe that our country is specially blessed by God and the greatest civilization on the planet, so every culture has an element of this. I just want to say I got far less prejudice from OLDER Japanese!
@itsinthebag2010xyz Inadvertently offending someone with dark humor or some directness is par for the course here, and as you will know, you usually don't find out about it until long afterwards. The point is that there are different boundaries for behaviour with my gaijin and my Japanese friends. Defending or attacking either is pointless. You simply accept or reject. Accepting means living as a Japanese. Rejecting means leaving, joining a company with more gaijins, or living as an outcast.
@Hikosaemon Interesting...sad that those are your only two options. You don't need to explain to me, I've lived in Japan and worked with them for many years, until I had had enough and for my own dignity decided I could no longer do it. I don't think gailjin can every really "live as a Japanese", you'll always be a gaijin, no matter how well you speak their language and observe their customs...many gaijin in Japan delude themselves into thinking that's not true. Big mistake.
@Hikosaemon PS: I also can remember being constantly told that "this is our culture, this is how the Japanese are..." over and over again, as if that excuses bad behavior. On the one hand, they want us to see how modern and "Western" they are, on the other hand, they would have us believe that their morals and values and patterns of behavior are unique in the world, and that makes it okay to treat "outsiders" the way they do. I think it's a sorry excuse...just my opinion.
In what way is it racist? I thought it quite educational even if Iknow those tactics. Oh did you mean she is racy as in spicey and cute because I don't think I ever seen a Japanese person in actuallity get into an argument except in cartoons are maybe a news brief.
@Osuitea i was talking about how she only portrayed americans arguing in ONLY one instance and completely jumping to how different japanese persons argue. by that it is raciest. and i dont think i know of anyone uses the word racy, ever.
Lol. Raciest is incorrect if you are trying to describe something in that way.
It's r a c i s t. I was playing with you, she is racy as in spicy as in cute and spunky maybe sexy. Grammer lately? See I just displayed to you the exact thing you are commenting about on this subject. Your accent is adorable.
@Osuitea umm.. okay i like how 1) you posted this comment twice cause ur an illiterate fuck and 2) it really doesnt fucking matter how i write it because about 99% of the people who read it know exactly what the fuck i mean. just drop it dip shit.
Well dingbat it was awhile inposting. And don't respond to my comment if you don't like it. And who cares who got it. you got it wrong. so jump off this is a public channel. i eat meat.
@Osuitea lol "dont respond to my comment if you dont like it"? what sense does that make? no where in my comment did i say that i liked / did not like your idiotic responses.
furthermore, why does it matter to me that you have japanese friends and studied the culture? thats not even a legitimate enough statement for fighting me over this. especially when i was talking about americans not japanese.
oh, and fyi those stupid statements after all of your comments dont even make sense "dingbat".
In Canada, we try to remain as calm and respectable as possible while making veiled, subtle attacks with a smile on our face to confuse the person we're arguing with.
For instance:
Man: Why is your dog so ugly?!
Me: Ah, well, it's actually a cat, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that, so it's okay. *smile!* It's a persian breed, and I think they're actually quite adorable, don't you agree?
Man: Oh, that's a cat? Well, how was I supposed to know?
@Cavistus729 LOL Not exactly. I live in Canada as well, and no-one here ever argues like that. They argue, even if they have no idea what it's about xD
Yeah we love to argue even if we haven't any knowledge on the subject. Similar to Americans but I don't think with as much assertion. :O
Americans will walk right up to you and ask you if that a dog or cat. Canadians would probably hesitate until a good opportunity came up before approaching.
Really good! Obviously, it's my lack of interest in the Japanese culture that keeps me from watching videos like yours and Victors, but I'm glad I hunkered down for this one. It's interesting and informative on a broader level, and the execution of the concept was really cool to watch.
My method of arguing involves me saying I'm right. Then threatening to castrate my opponent if he thinks otherwise. So far only once has one person ever told me I was wrong. :)
lol, who knew there was such a difference. I myslelf love confrontation/debate between my friends not because im mean or anything but its just the way that we communicate.
@koeme I get you - I'm similar, and that kind of communication exists in Japan, but you really have to know it's okay first, even with friends. Particularly around Tokyo, you always have to be sensitive to the feelings of everyone else - not just to be nice but because it can really bounce back on you if people decide you are obnoxious.
I should just emphasize by the way, this isn't necessarily how it always is, this is just the direction that Japanese social pressure pushes.
this is not uniquely japanese. This is simply 'polite' argument, and no one has ever done it better than the British upper classes of the 19th century.
For example:
"I put it to you, sir, that you're a bad-hatter and a disgrace to your regiment! Never do so again, as long as you live, sir"
What he's saying in modern speak is: "Fuck you, motherfucker! Do that again and I'll kick your fucking ass!"
I've noticed that since I got back to Canada I kinda adopted a much more Japanese argumentative style. Which can lead to being taken advantage of in Western cultures. Also, if you are too straight with your words in Japanese, you ain't gunna make any Japanese friends haha. Great video guys =) Also, who is this lady that speaks like my 能力試験 audio tracks? LOL
imho in western culture the ability to hear others opinions and emotions frankly and participate as an individual in kind is seen as the measure of maturity...
In japanese culture the ability to obfuscate your true emotions and opinions into a group cohesiveness/consensus is seen as the measure of maturity ...
Obviously this makes it very hard for either side not to view the others actions as immature and frustrating..!
"method" and "comparative" thing? But this merely looks like an American joke, not funny boring scrip. Learner needs effective and content skits as "how to" things. And up-dated situation and scripts we need as an approach and motivation to learn, only for fun and laughs as well.
I agree with you. The 3rd method of arguing is not unique to Japanese, it's something every person with common sense or good intentions does when arguing.
If I'd use the first method of arguing, even among friends I'd alienate myself from them, even though I am "western" like my friends I regularly interact with. Using judgemental phrases in such a way is not aggressive debating, it's insulting.
Bad vid, unrepresentative (what has actually been exaggerated?) and non-educational.
@MTassarion I didn't said that it was unique to Japanese, I said that this video stereotype Western AND Japanese way of communication. With the Western stupid, Me Japanese so Smart...
Btw, maybe its just ur opinion, but I tend to like close friends that don't twisted my sense of logic ALL the time. I tend to view that type of argument as an attack...in words base. Because you're focusing on winning the debate over a FRIEND! which is a sign that that person will "back-stab" pretty damn soon
@MTassarion No one is saying anything is unique. The underlying point that the video attempts to highlight through an exaggerated and somewhat ridiculous scenario is that the western tendency to approach debate in an adversarial manner tends to cause Japanese people to shut down - and this is a problem many westerners need to deal with and overcome day to day here. Many Japanese tend to suffer from being perceived as weak in debates abroad for the opposite reason. I've experienced both sides.
Typical instead of unique might have fitted better in this case.
When you are with friends or acquaintances the type of conversation that deals with opinions and the sort usually takes on the form of a discussion where the object is to reach a common ground (as opposed to debating which is in fact adversarial in purpose). So to have a "debate" with your friends makes little sense because in debating you are basically trying to undermine or overpower another's views, as opposed to a discussion.
I think you're right that good friends will try to accommodate one another where possible. At a more fundamental level, one thing I've observed in myself and others here in Japan though is that westerners seem to have a tendency when there is a misunderstanding or disagreement, to reflexively reassert their own position first. I think western culture can be seen as self-centric in this way: people want to be understood first, and then try to understand the other, and THEN find common ground.
@MTassarion This isn't based on any particular theory by the way, just 12 and a half years of observation living here of areas that cause stress and misunderstandings between Japanese and foreigners in Japan. This really is a big one that catches out a lot of well intentioned people. You can often tell people who have been in Japan more than 5 years because you often lose that impulse to challenge or contradict people directly after a while.
I figured that this was based on your experience in Japan.
I was just surprised that this was such a big issue. Maybe it's more of a problem between American and Japanese culture, as opposed to "Western" and Japanese culture. Since I know that in the US the confrontation is usually preferred over "smoothing things over".
@MTassarion Hehe, you would think it was just "Americans", but no, us Kiwis usually get on well, but I had it, and thegakuranman, my partner in the video had the same issue with a friend just a week or so before this that led to the video. I've seen many non-English native Europeans get this too, so that is why I labelled it a "western" issue. That said, Koreans and Chinese also tend to be much more direct than Japanese also. Even Japanese get sick and tired of being so careful all the time.
that's one hell of an ugly cat dog you've got there xD
I have actually noticed that they do this when arguing/discussing a point which I thought was weird but never really put alot of thought into it... but it's interesting to put it in that way :D I guess we do argue differently... I'll keep it in mind when I argue/discuss next time with a Japanese person ;D
Wow, even in an argument, Japanese people still try to stay polite! I think that it's good in a way because it's a fair fight -- it's not just two people attacking each other because they can't agree to disagree.
@akira357 (1) The roles were deliberately exaggerated. (2) No one is saying one approach is better than the other. (3) It goes both ways. Westerners who make points too aggressively in Japan, particularly in work settings, get ostracised. This is a problem many of us have fitting in here. Likewise, Japanese who avoid arguments are always express passive or neutral opinions when they are in companies or schools abroad are often seen as stupid.
great video! I think all of my relations with others are boiled down to likes or dislikes. I can tolerate almost everything he says if I like that person. But if I don't like him, things are different. In that case, I try to find SOMETHING that makes me like him, which always requires enormous patience, Hiko san. I couldn't do it in my 20's.
The only thing I can think of during the Japanese debate style was that is was one long circle jerk.
UrbanTerrorPro 1 month ago
Well..., it's too exaggerated.... It varies from person to person, and it depends on the situation, topic discussed, and other factors.
Or I just don't find those scenarios well made.
討論の例があまり良くないと思う…。
pametna59 4 months ago
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Japanese people are mix race of negritos, se asians (D2 y-snp) and east asians. Japanese are not a pure race but a bastardization of different types of southeast asians and east asians.
genetruths 6 months ago
2:37~2:41の表情とセリフが最高w
edomurasaki2266783 7 months ago
Perhaps my style to behave would suit Japan better than my country of birth. I can only test whether this is true or not by actually living in Japan for a few years at least.
reshjuk 8 months ago
I think Japanese people behave fine!
I am considering moving out of my country of birth to Japan and one big reason is that I'd like to live in a place with more politeness. I get rudeness thrown at me almost every time I go out and it's very unwelcome. I am a quiet guy and I mind my own business and walk quietly along the street and still get rudeness directed at me. Sometimes I think I'm too polite as I don't respond to any of it with rudeness or aggression.
reshjuk 8 months ago
@reshjuk
which country is this rude?
jin54363 5 months ago
very exaggerated, but i guess its true to say that japanese people are less "direct"
Iceberqe 8 months ago
Wow, this is brilliant. I was just 改めて introduced to this video by Softypapa on LylesBother Channel, and this was exactly the problem I had with the Japanese culture when I first returned to Japan after being in the States for a good long while, and I appear Japanese as well so they'd expect me to understand. Really brilliant and well made!
DelusionalJ 8 months ago
For some reason I was waiting for the rabbit season duck season thing to happen......
plainbob13 8 months ago
At first I watched this and was sceptical, I was sure that the first two examples were exaggerations, but when I saw the two Japanese people style I smiled because I realised how true this representation is with my experience with Japanese people. So the other examples are certainly closer to westerners than the third one.
yadsik 8 months ago
Huh. Really? I'm a Chinese person who's lived in Japan as an elementary school kid and then moved to the US for middle school, high school, and college, and I view the cultures in the exact opposite way. I feel like westerners tend to be more subtle about everything, while Japanese people are more open and willing to duke it out, so to speak. That might be because I lived in Japan when I was a child and in the US when I'm more - more grown up, hmm.
Acerola211 8 months ago
@Acerola211 I think kids are more direct everywhere in the world, and within Japan, Kansai is of course a lot more in your face than other parts of Japan. However, in adult society, the pattern shown in this vid is pretty consistently accurate for me, and others I know in other parts of Japan. I think there is generally a higher expectation of manners and carefulness among adults in Japan than other countries I know of.
Hikosaemon 8 months ago 7
@Hikosaemon そうですか。まあ確かに私は今、大人向きの漫画とかドラマとかで日本の文化を学んでいますから、たぶん実際の状況から違いますね。Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it! ^^
Acerola211 8 months ago
Captions aren't working :(
qtiestudio 9 months ago
@qtiestudio please try again, I just tested and it seems to be okay...
Hikosaemon 9 months ago
何とかねねねねねねねねねんえねねねねねね
jagheter 1 year ago
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sakusakusamurai 1 year ago
Wow, this might have been if I had seen it when I lived in Japan. That was years ago, but I'm pretty sure I had several cases where this would explain why some things wouldn't go so well. (I have to confess that I think this video might be a bit overly biased to Japanese people, but maybe the creators were just trying to impart the wisdom in "when in japan, do as the japanese")
Ironically, it seems that regardless to my perceived bias, many people on the comments prefer style 1.
iamsammybe 1 year ago
So...the message here is that Japanese people are reasonable, compassionate, and understanding of different points of view...Westerners are arrogant, insulting, stubborn and rude. OK. I see. Thank you so much for educating me on these points. I am so happy Japanese people don't use stereotypes. I am also happy that Japanese people are not bigoted in their views of Westerners. After all, Japanese people are always reasonable and balanced.
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz I guess that this is hard for some people to understand without being here. (1) this is about culture, not stereotypes, (2) the video is not intending to present one as better than the other, and (3) ask anyone who lives here and many non-Japanese, Asian more than westerners find the anti-confrontationalism and indirectness of Japanese to be at best frustrating, and at worst, dishonest and deceptive behaviour.
Point is that Japanese culture generally is less confrontational
hikotalk 1 year ago
@hikotalk True, they are less confrontational. Instead, they are sneaky and stab you in the back when you least expect it :-)
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz Of course everyone is different, but there are also overarching cultural values and behaviours that distinguish cultures. Pretending that those differences don't exist or denying them is precisely what gets people into trouble when travelling and leads to the kind of misunderstandings that many foreigners, including myself end up dealing with in Japan, and vice versa.
Travel a bit and you'll get it, and begin to understand the joke.
Peace
hikotalk 1 year ago
@hikotalk Travel a bit? I lived in Japan for 4 years, Europe for 6, and have travelled all over the world. I can see this is meant to be a "joke", but jokes can be dangerous things... It's slanted and bigoted. I suspect that you're the type of foreigner who is in Japan for the long term and therefore, to maintain your sanity, defends their behavior and tries to explain it to the gaijin... I know, because I used to be that type of foreigner :-)
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz Oh dear. Okay, we can go on suspecting what gaijin stereotype we fit into. If you care to understand my take on accepting or rejecting Japanese culture, go check my vid "it ain't easy being Japanese". It's a crap vid, but it covers everything.
The key to this vid is the second scenario. Maybe you haven't been through it, but I have, multiple times, as has nearly every native English speaker I know who has lived life in Japan as "the (only) gaijin" in a company or school"
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon I spent many years trying to "understand" them, trying to accept their behavior, trying be open-minded and I realized it's just a waste of time... I *almost* lost my religion in Japan (metaphorically speaking) and got out before that happened, lol. We Americans are raised to value honest dealing, straight talking, questioning, being inquisitive, being curious, explaining our actions, justifying our assertions, etc etc , you know the deal. In Japan I found a nation of robots!
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz My old video I suggested takes that subject - can gaijins live as Japanese? My conclusion is "yes, but it's not worth it" (just saved you 20 minutes). I've more or less come to the same conclusion as you - and went for the gaijin company option in the end. Point is though, if you are in the middle of trying to survive in a hardcore J-culture environment, these are the kinds of principles you need to follow. You can't reject the culture of where you are and survive in it.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz I get the impression you are reacting to what you perceive as a qualitative aspect to the vid - an inference that the Japanese way is better. That's not intended at all. Both are exaggerated caricatures, of the honest deal straight talking westerner (you said it yourself), and the evasive "death before conflict" Japanese. You should know that's not made up, and I'm not prepared to condemn either. The first skit was drafted as a crappy Seinfeld tribute.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon You're right...but the way I see it, how can you not perceive it as qualitative? The first skit is ugly, the second one is attractive! Seems there's a subliminal message. Maybe an example of a Japanese behaving in an ugly manner (and they do!) would balance it.
Anyway, I'm looking at your "It Ain't Easy Being Japanese" video right now...interesting.
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz Cool man. I tried very consciously to basically do skits 1 and 3 in a comical but non-judgmental way, although obviously the perfect balance is never there, and of course the bias is towards helping out my friends in the skit No 2 situation in Japanese companies not understanding why they have been shunned. Honestly, having worked in an environment doing Skit 3 for more than a decade, and working in a Skit 1 environment now, I prefer Skit 1 as a discussion style. By far.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon Good points...but sometimes I felt that "not getting shunned" meant basically turning into a mute, deaf, dumb robot slave! I don't mean to sound silly but really...the tacit rule seemed to be "do it our way, don't ever voice an opinion or disagree, and we'll get along fine...otherwise, you get outcast!" What kind of way is that to live? I mean, they could say "This is the Japanese way" to just about anything, as a way of getting you to conform and obey....Go ahead and shun me, folks!
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon PS: I have had Japanese say things to me like, "Unlike Westerners, we Japanese never argue, we are always gentle and peaceful when we have a discussion, we always consider the other person's point of view, we are very sensitive to other's feelings..." I mean COME ON, MAN! If an American spewed that kind of bullcrap they would be laughed out of the room! And yet, I would wager that the majority of Japanese truly do see themselves that way! Are they fed that propaganda from birth???
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz lol, when told that, I like to say how impressed I am also with the fact Japan is the only country with four seasons, how Japanese intestines are too long to digest imported beef, and how strange and wonderful it is that their toilets spin the opposite way to New Zealand when flushed.
I'm not intending to plug nihonjinron here (wow, did I hit a nerve with you?!). You pointed out yourself that there are differences in discussion style. Good news is, I AM NOT YOUR OLD BUCHO.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon Ha...OK I realize I'm sounding like a bitter old Gaijin who got burned by Japan. Don't get me wrong- many many wonderful experiences there, and I was treated very kindly most of the time. It seemed the moment I developed a true affection for Japanese friends, the wall came down, as if I had gone too far. I didn't like that feeling! Like they needed to remind me (and themselves I suppose) that the rules forbade me from getting that close. Oh well.
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon I've heard just about all of the above...Plus: Japanese people have a more sensitive sense of smell and taste than non-Japanese, and how the Toyota brake problems were due to the way Westerners drive (Japanese are more gentle on the brake). To be fair, as an American I was raised to believe that our country is specially blessed by God and the greatest civilization on the planet, so every culture has an element of this. I just want to say I got far less prejudice from OLDER Japanese!
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@itsinthebag2010xyz Inadvertently offending someone with dark humor or some directness is par for the course here, and as you will know, you usually don't find out about it until long afterwards. The point is that there are different boundaries for behaviour with my gaijin and my Japanese friends. Defending or attacking either is pointless. You simply accept or reject. Accepting means living as a Japanese. Rejecting means leaving, joining a company with more gaijins, or living as an outcast.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon Interesting...sad that those are your only two options. You don't need to explain to me, I've lived in Japan and worked with them for many years, until I had had enough and for my own dignity decided I could no longer do it. I don't think gailjin can every really "live as a Japanese", you'll always be a gaijin, no matter how well you speak their language and observe their customs...many gaijin in Japan delude themselves into thinking that's not true. Big mistake.
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon PS: I also can remember being constantly told that "this is our culture, this is how the Japanese are..." over and over again, as if that excuses bad behavior. On the one hand, they want us to see how modern and "Western" they are, on the other hand, they would have us believe that their morals and values and patterns of behavior are unique in the world, and that makes it okay to treat "outsiders" the way they do. I think it's a sorry excuse...just my opinion.
itsinthebag2010xyz 1 year ago
私はあなたの日本人が大好き！
Emceetem 1 year ago
わざわざどうも長々と御返信有難うｗ
日本語がどうとか別に謝る必要ないです。
俺も”二言目”を”一言目”って間違えてるしねｗ
というか・・・俺は思ったことを通りすがりに書きとばしただけです。
ビデオも30秒見たかどうか・・・右翼？何です、それ？ｗ
Salamanderus 1 year ago
@Salamanderus 笑、すみません、右翼の話は、また自分の経験上では、割合的には政治・宗教・歴史の話を付き合ってくれる日本人は大体大阪人と右翼しかいません。人間は皆一緒なんだけど、日本では過半数の人間は突っ込んだ政治的な話を運ぶと結構むっとする反応をする現実があります。やっぱり人間が皆一緒だといっても、文化に夜習慣とタブーも同時にそれぞれいっぱいあって、ドジって突っ込むと知らないうちにひどい目にあう事が実によくあります。海外に行く日本人にもよくあると思います。そういうことを伝えるのはメッセージでした。
それと、猿が好きです。
^u^v
Peace
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon
歴史の話はともかく、政治と宗教の話題を他の民族も好むかどうかは疑問だと思いますけど、それらが日本人に好まれない理由はちゃんとあると思いますよｗ
あと動物はだいたい好きじゃありません。特に猿とコアラは嫌いですｗ
Salamanderus 1 year ago
えーっと、まずね...一言目には「日本人はいつも～」「日本人に限って～」とか言う外人さんね、例外なく嫌われるよ。同じ人種でも性格は全然違います。実際に話してみれば分かることだけどね。人間は人間。世界中どこでも一緒よ。
Salamanderus 1 year ago
@Salamanderus 笑、まず、主な動画の目的はユーモアでした。後、はいはい、人間は人間なんだけど、文化って存在するものです。あまり旅をしないと「世界中の人は一緒」だと思うかもしれないけど、そう考える人はまったく違う文化に入るとさまざまなショックを受けます。各国々の中でのマナーはその一つの例です。日本の中でももちろん地方文化も様々あって、特に関西が違うとはいえると思うけど、欧州の国より、政治的や宗教的な口論に対する日本人の敏感的が非常に目立ちます。もちろんそう話す人もいる（これで右翼の人が大好きです）大体会社や学校で一定の政治か宗教を突っ込んだら、大変な目にあう場合がよくある。タブーとして考えている日本人が多くて、全体的に文化的な傾向であることは確かです。そういうことで、日本文化の価値観などをちゃんと把握・配慮しないで、自分で困る外人がいっぱいいます。自分だって、こういう経験を繰り返してしたし、友達も同じ失敗をするとこういうカウンセリングをしたがる。まぁ、どじるのも良い勉強なんだけど、ちょっと笑える単純にした話でしようと思いましただけです。見てくれてありがとうございました！
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Salamanderus すみません、時間がおそくて、色々めちゃくちゃな日本語を書きましたね。チェックせず投稿してすみません！
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
まさに「世間」か「社会」かで口論が変わるいい例ですね。
「世間」では相手が自分と利害関係がある人であるためになるべく対立をせけようとする。
「社会」では人それぞれが対等という前提であるためにお互い自分の主張をぶつけ合う。 今の日本は「世間」が壊れて「空気」になっているために（つまり相手との上下関係があいまいになっているため）相手の出方を探り探りしながら会話をするのでますますよそよそしくなる。それが第三者からみるとやんわりとした会話に持っていっているように見えるのでしょう。 いいもの見させて頂きました。ありがとうございます。
cos103headquarters 1 year ago
lol that's almost true!
だいたいあってるｗ
Falky 1 year ago
英語圏いったらモテそうな女性だな
Merikenuze 1 year ago
あるあるｗ
fujiminoNC31 1 year ago
おー おもしろい
しかしこの女の人日本人から見てもロボットみたいに見えるな
・・・ロボットちゃう？
kuskul9 1 year ago
I won't be seeing him...
わろた
yabakuro 1 year ago
こうやってみると日本の文化っていうのは、江戸幕府中期末期の官僚社会の気風がそのまま残って列島全体に浸透してしまった感じがしますね。
それが時世によっては悪くも働き良くも働くといった感じです。
SUDENEKO 1 year ago
これは良く出来てるw
面白いwwww
日本人はたしかにこんな感じwww
kuronekobitch 1 year ago
おもしろい！！
bf883 1 year ago
3 white people who speak japanese, surprised me :-D Awesome!
nicknbg1981 1 year ago
Haha I liked the first one. " it's clearly a monkey"
hearts0start0new 1 year ago
what the heck? thats so raciest.
kingtubenino 1 year ago
@kingtubenino
In what way is it racist? I thought it quite educational even if Iknow those tactics. Oh did you mean she is racy as in spicey and cute because I don't think I ever seen a Japanese person in actuallity get into an argument except in cartoons are maybe a news brief.
Osuitea 1 year ago
@Osuitea i was talking about how she only portrayed americans arguing in ONLY one instance and completely jumping to how different japanese persons argue. by that it is raciest. and i dont think i know of anyone uses the word racy, ever.
kingtubenino 1 year ago
@kingtubenino no, racism is about racial supremacy and hatred. this video is taking a humorous look at stereotypes which are not necessarily racist
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics
yeah i figured as much..
kingtubenino 1 year ago
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Osuitea 1 year ago
@kingtubenino
Lol. Raciest is incorrect if you are trying to describe something in that way.
It's r a c i s t. I was playing with you, she is racy as in spicy as in cute and spunky maybe sexy. Grammer lately? See I just displayed to you the exact thing you are commenting about on this subject. Your accent is adorable.
Osuitea 1 year ago
@Osuitea umm.. okay i like how 1) you posted this comment twice cause ur an illiterate fuck and 2) it really doesnt fucking matter how i write it because about 99% of the people who read it know exactly what the fuck i mean. just drop it dip shit.
kingtubenino 1 year ago
@kingtubenino
Well dingbat it was awhile inposting. And don't respond to my comment if you don't like it. And who cares who got it. you got it wrong. so jump off this is a public channel. i eat meat.
Osuitea 1 year ago
@Osuitea lol "dont respond to my comment if you dont like it"? what sense does that make? no where in my comment did i say that i liked / did not like your idiotic responses.
furthermore, why does it matter to me that you have japanese friends and studied the culture? thats not even a legitimate enough statement for fighting me over this. especially when i was talking about americans not japanese.
oh, and fyi those stupid statements after all of your comments dont even make sense "dingbat".
kingtubenino 1 year ago 18
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Osuitea 1 year ago
@kingtubenino
ROFL. Never fails. Must be love,
Osuitea 1 year ago
@Osuitea >_>
kingtubenino 1 year ago
yay for stereotypes!
nihonjon 1 year ago
@nihonjon *:・ﾔｯﾀｧ♪'ヽ(ﾟ▽^*)乂(*^▽ﾟ)ﾉ ﾊﾞﾝｻﾞｰｲ♪*:・'゜
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon For a more academic approach, I recommend Kaplan's work on cultural thought patterns.
nihonjon 1 year ago
@nihonjon Thanks for the tip.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
its so true :)
battoe23 1 year ago
This is really informative!
In Canada, we try to remain as calm and respectable as possible while making veiled, subtle attacks with a smile on our face to confuse the person we're arguing with.
For instance:
Man: Why is your dog so ugly?!
Me: Ah, well, it's actually a cat, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that, so it's okay. *smile!* It's a persian breed, and I think they're actually quite adorable, don't you agree?
Man: Oh, that's a cat? Well, how was I supposed to know?
Cavistus729 1 year ago
@Cavistus729 LOL Not exactly. I live in Canada as well, and no-one here ever argues like that. They argue, even if they have no idea what it's about xD
KonaKaga5600 1 year ago
@KonaKaga5600
Yeah we love to argue even if we haven't any knowledge on the subject. Similar to Americans but I don't think with as much assertion. :O
Americans will walk right up to you and ask you if that a dog or cat. Canadians would probably hesitate until a good opportunity came up before approaching.
d4veg 1 year ago
@Cavistus729 sounds like canadians are girls haha
martjalartistvannabe 1 year ago
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I like this lady
kindachi74 1 year ago
Really good! Obviously, it's my lack of interest in the Japanese culture that keeps me from watching videos like yours and Victors, but I'm glad I hunkered down for this one. It's interesting and informative on a broader level, and the execution of the concept was really cool to watch.
krumbine 1 year ago
もっと日本語が上手になりたい！thumbz up!
kickers8888 1 year ago
Stage fright kept me from watching this until now, and... wow. So much makes so much more sense after seeing this.
ElevenColors 1 year ago
It's so funny but I think you made a good point in this. I didn't realize the trend of Japanese arguing but I found myself doing it :)
rui04 1 year ago
Could you translate this debate into English?Not so fluent in Japanese yet. I think I get the drift though at least.
sweeneagle16 1 year ago
@sweeneagle16 Turn on captions and you can read English and Japanese subtitles :)
Hikosaemon 1 year ago 8
Ive probably lost a few Japanese friends without realising this.
hanneesh 1 year ago
chowderheads, lol
yuichituba 1 year ago
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おもしろいビデオだな的を得ている。日本人が八橋を捨てて発言する場合は相手のことを嫌っている場合かよほど親しい間柄かだよね。嫌うにも限界を超えるまで耐えます。だからストレスも溜まりやすいｗこういうのは外国人には解りにくいだろうな、、理解できないと思うｗｗ
zwzzzz126jn 1 year ago
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zwzzzz126jn 1 year ago
喚き散らしてストレス発散してるだけだろこいつらは。
議論というものは妥協点を探り出すもの。
KousukeTsuji 1 year ago
enjoyed
wingame52 1 year ago
なるほど！
なので、過去に二度イギリス人と口論になったんだ俺… （爆笑）
俺も西洋人風に言う事はありますよ。しかしそれは相手がキチガイの場合だけです（笑）
なのでまた、初対面の相手に訳のわからん事言われたら、キチガイだと見なしてキレます（笑）
FunnyOsakaGuy 1 year ago
毎回見てるので初めてじゃない感じです、お気に入りに入れました。
たしかに日本人同士は言い合いにならないよう気をつけますが、それは親しい間柄の
事です。気持ちの確認程度です。他人にはまず聞きません。
冷静に日本人を見てる事に感服いたしました。
失礼します。
NIREMASA 1 year ago 2
Good examples, quite true to life!! (By the way, spelling mistake on Debating on the caption on the 2nd part).
kobesamurai 1 year ago
初めてコメントします。
まず、あなたたちの日本語すごく上手ですね。
びっくりしました〜。
日本人は基本的に優しいから合わせるよね。
でも、内心は違ってたりするから気をつけてね。
日本文化は深い。。
i have been watching your vids all day.
its so interesting.
peace.
apolone1218 1 year ago 2
この女性、みどりちゃん？
thrasher0630 1 year ago
@thrasher0630
ガーーーーーーΨ(｀∀´)Ψーーーハッハッ！！
違います。
女性は hanafubuki です
最高な日本人女性YouTuberです！
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon
なるほど。美人です。ちなみに、けっこう僕のタイプですΨ＾－＾Ψ
オールブラックスのハカの歴史、勉強になりました！
thrasher0630 1 year ago
This video is silly.
GentlemanJimStacey 1 year ago
I think Hana & Fubuki hand puppets should have been able to join in on this debate.
Oh, and it is definitely a rodent BTW.
CrappyCartoons 1 year ago
My method of arguing involves me saying I'm right. Then threatening to castrate my opponent if he thinks otherwise. So far only once has one person ever told me I was wrong. :)
and he seriously regrets it. ^_^
OniLordMiki 1 year ago
@OniLordMiki Wow. I completely agree.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
If we disregard the insults and talking over each other in style one, are we not left with style 3 sans the insincere confirming of the other view?
Politeness aside, isn't this more about closed-mindedness and unwillingness to let go of arguments?
palicgofueniczekt 1 year ago
最初このビデオを見た時はいつもの冗談だ、と、面白く見ましたが、西洋人がこのビデオをよく見て、お気に入りなどに入れているのをみて、これをマジに受け取って、ステレオタイプが出来てしまわないかと心配になりました。西洋東洋にかかわらず、人としての論議は真面目に言わせてもらうと普遍的な論理、そして感情の展開があると思うのです。
gtoyas 1 year ago
@gtoyas おぅChemistさん！まぁ、この動画のはなしは人種の偏見じゃなくて、文化の傾向で、もちろん同じ文化で顔で偏見を持つのはいけないと思うけど、逆に国と歴史から生まれた違う文化は現実に存在する事で、その違いと根拠を学んで尊重するのは欠かせないことだと思っています。
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@gtoyas この動画の３つのシナリオは大げさにしているけど、すべてのパターンを現実日本で経験しているし、この事でよく西洋文化を持つ出身の多くの友達もよくこれにひかかっています。重要なのはこれは人種の話とは全く関係ない。アメリカの日系人でもよくこういう問題にはまるし、日本に住む外国人も考え方がよく変わる。
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@gtoyas その文化の根拠等の話を細かく英語でGakuranmanのブログでコメントを残したので、是非みてね。人種の偏見のではなく、文化に実際ある傾向の話で理解してくれて、楽しめたら嬉しいです。
コメントをあいがとうね！
Peace
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon 見てきました。長い文章でちょっと読むのに苦労しましたが（笑）社会的な言葉が色々使われていて勉強になりました。さすがわHikoさん大学教授なみの見識ですね。なるほどたしかに文化的、歴史的、地理的背景による民族的傾向はあります。いつもながらHikoさんの日本についての深い理解に感服、感謝します。
gtoyas 1 year ago
あっ、いや。関係ないでしょw
ホンマに日本人っぽいw
KaileneDanae 1 year ago
@KaileneDanae ってか、関西弁かよ？！
やっぱり関西だったら、また更な別動画になるだろうねｗ
Peace
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
Been showing this around, mate.
It really is an EXCELLENT explanation of this cultural difference.
You should make a series.
How about one about guy/girl Japanese/gaijin relationships in the same style.
TheJapanChannelDcom 1 year ago
日本語が問題なんじゃない。日本語を使う日本人のメンタルの問題なんだ。
kintel69 1 year ago
で、犬なの？猫なの？
noitomuu 1 year ago
@noitomuu 猿だったかもしれませんね（笑）
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
lol, who knew there was such a difference. I myslelf love confrontation/debate between my friends not because im mean or anything but its just the way that we communicate.
koeme 1 year ago
@koeme I get you - I'm similar, and that kind of communication exists in Japan, but you really have to know it's okay first, even with friends. Particularly around Tokyo, you always have to be sensitive to the feelings of everyone else - not just to be nice but because it can really bounce back on you if people decide you are obnoxious.
I should just emphasize by the way, this isn't necessarily how it always is, this is just the direction that Japanese social pressure pushes.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
this is not uniquely japanese. This is simply 'polite' argument, and no one has ever done it better than the British upper classes of the 19th century.
For example:
"I put it to you, sir, that you're a bad-hatter and a disgrace to your regiment! Never do so again, as long as you live, sir"
What he's saying in modern speak is: "Fuck you, motherfucker! Do that again and I'll kick your fucking ass!"
Class....
yerty2000 1 year ago
This is still amazing to watch. I'm gonna post this on my Japanese friend's wall.
yuichituba 1 year ago
Beautifully done, brother!
That illustrated it excellently!
(I must admit.. I prefer the Japanese way... )
TheJapanChannelDcom 1 year ago
@TheJapanChannelDcom Cheers mate! If only all Japanese people could do it the Japanese way! (lol)
I thought it was a fun topic that I've gotten in trouble on many times myself in the early years.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
よく分かる 日本語は直接対決を避けるようにできている
mizutama1217 1 year ago
日本国内でも、西日本は欧米式かもね。
アホとちゃうか？ アホやないんけ等。
逆に東北人は人を冷たく見下しながら喋ってる感じがする。
sijotakane 1 year ago
lol it's interesting. to understand Japanese communication is important for foreigners very much.
AkaiKitsune110203 1 year ago
I've noticed that since I got back to Canada I kinda adopted a much more Japanese argumentative style. Which can lead to being taken advantage of in Western cultures. Also, if you are too straight with your words in Japanese, you ain't gunna make any Japanese friends haha. Great video guys =) Also, who is this lady that speaks like my 能力試験 audio tracks? LOL
cruxay 1 year ago
面白かった！確かに、口論をする方法は人種的に変わる。西洋人は何でもはっきりと言っちゃうよね。そして、日本人はいつも相手に傷を付けないように、何を言おうとちゃんと考えてる。
cruxay 1 year ago
Very interesting :) I always loved the japanese approach to communication.
JaoquinQ 1 year ago
LOL!!! especially I love the last one. Very Japanese!!!!!!!
ARIKEITA113 1 year ago
no,offence,but that' kinda true.
Canadian = polite.
Japanese = logical thinking,cold
Korean = rude but kind
French = kinda rude but smart .
German = alway keep cool.
Irish american =immature. racist but yellow fever.
Latino american = interested in $ n sex. bad temper.
African american = interested in $ n sex. rude.
caliento012 1 year ago
0:44
Error 思い浮かぶ旅
Success 思い浮かぶ度
root2be 1 year ago
@root2be あら、ありがとう、字幕を今度更新します！
ご指摘を本当にありがとう！
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@akira357
Yeah, Gaijins are just plain stupid...Japs aren't any better...thats what the cat or dog was thinking.
meltingEyeballs 1 year ago
imho in western culture the ability to hear others opinions and emotions frankly and participate as an individual in kind is seen as the measure of maturity...
In japanese culture the ability to obfuscate your true emotions and opinions into a group cohesiveness/consensus is seen as the measure of maturity ...
Obviously this makes it very hard for either side not to view the others actions as immature and frustrating..!
87sprintqf 1 year ago
おもしろかったよ＾＾
MrSatuma 1 year ago
After all, is it a dog or cat?
shitokiden 1 year ago
"method" and "comparative" thing? But this merely looks like an American joke, not funny boring scrip. Learner needs effective and content skits as "how to" things. And up-dated situation and scripts we need as an approach and motivation to learn, only for fun and laughs as well.
iwamotoismjp 1 year ago
日本人同士と口論するのは面倒くせえ
hidekiitw 1 year ago
KUWAII!
LivingDog94 1 year ago
notice the loooooow amount of db emission on 3rd method :)
cr4yv3n 1 year ago
@akira357
I agree with you. The 3rd method of arguing is not unique to Japanese, it's something every person with common sense or good intentions does when arguing.
If I'd use the first method of arguing, even among friends I'd alienate myself from them, even though I am "western" like my friends I regularly interact with. Using judgemental phrases in such a way is not aggressive debating, it's insulting.
Bad vid, unrepresentative (what has actually been exaggerated?) and non-educational.
MTassarion 1 year ago
@MTassarion I didn't said that it was unique to Japanese, I said that this video stereotype Western AND Japanese way of communication. With the Western stupid, Me Japanese so Smart...
Btw, maybe its just ur opinion, but I tend to like close friends that don't twisted my sense of logic ALL the time. I tend to view that type of argument as an attack...in words base. Because you're focusing on winning the debate over a FRIEND! which is a sign that that person will "back-stab" pretty damn soon
akira357 1 year ago
@MTassarion No one is saying anything is unique. The underlying point that the video attempts to highlight through an exaggerated and somewhat ridiculous scenario is that the western tendency to approach debate in an adversarial manner tends to cause Japanese people to shut down - and this is a problem many westerners need to deal with and overcome day to day here. Many Japanese tend to suffer from being perceived as weak in debates abroad for the opposite reason. I've experienced both sides.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
Typical instead of unique might have fitted better in this case.
When you are with friends or acquaintances the type of conversation that deals with opinions and the sort usually takes on the form of a discussion where the object is to reach a common ground (as opposed to debating which is in fact adversarial in purpose). So to have a "debate" with your friends makes little sense because in debating you are basically trying to undermine or overpower another's views, as opposed to a discussion.
MTassarion 1 year ago
I think you're right that good friends will try to accommodate one another where possible. At a more fundamental level, one thing I've observed in myself and others here in Japan though is that westerners seem to have a tendency when there is a misunderstanding or disagreement, to reflexively reassert their own position first. I think western culture can be seen as self-centric in this way: people want to be understood first, and then try to understand the other, and THEN find common ground.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@MTassarion This isn't based on any particular theory by the way, just 12 and a half years of observation living here of areas that cause stress and misunderstandings between Japanese and foreigners in Japan. This really is a big one that catches out a lot of well intentioned people. You can often tell people who have been in Japan more than 5 years because you often lose that impulse to challenge or contradict people directly after a while.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon
I figured that this was based on your experience in Japan.
I was just surprised that this was such a big issue. Maybe it's more of a problem between American and Japanese culture, as opposed to "Western" and Japanese culture. Since I know that in the US the confrontation is usually preferred over "smoothing things over".
MTassarion 1 year ago
@MTassarion Hehe, you would think it was just "Americans", but no, us Kiwis usually get on well, but I had it, and thegakuranman, my partner in the video had the same issue with a friend just a week or so before this that led to the video. I've seen many non-English native Europeans get this too, so that is why I labelled it a "western" issue. That said, Koreans and Chinese also tend to be much more direct than Japanese also. Even Japanese get sick and tired of being so careful all the time.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
that's one hell of an ugly cat dog you've got there xD
I have actually noticed that they do this when arguing/discussing a point which I thought was weird but never really put alot of thought into it... but it's interesting to put it in that way :D I guess we do argue differently... I'll keep it in mind when I argue/discuss next time with a Japanese person ;D
bleach1st 1 year ago
haha, so so true! great vid! :) :)
axesent 1 year ago
面白いです。女性ＭＣの「どうぞ」も面白いです。
0000syu 1 year ago
正直に言って、ちょっと大げさ過ぎるように見えるし、日本人から見ても屁理屈言ってる変な人の印象だと思う。
逆に外国人が、この動画を本気にしたら違う誤解から争いがでそう(((^^;)
KUROZUKA0083 1 year ago
Wow, even in an argument, Japanese people still try to stay polite! I think that it's good in a way because it's a fair fight -- it's not just two people attacking each other because they can't agree to disagree.
kawaiichic34 1 year ago
Not to seem stupid or anything but is that a real cat/dog hybrid?
laserjay151 1 year ago
"And let's all try to avoid these kinds of cultural misunderstandings."
Oh the irony!
myfreepaysite1 1 year ago
Wow! Over 8000 views already!
thegakuranman 1 year ago
ArgueとDiscuss、日本人にとって最も分かりにくい単語の一つで、英語辞書には両方ともに「議論する」。
この動画でArgueとDiscussの違いがはっきりと理解できた。ありがとう。
draftlove 1 year ago
@draftlove
普通解かるだろ
argueは言い争うでdiscussは論議する
UncleHobbysHobbys 1 year ago
@akira357 (1) The roles were deliberately exaggerated. (2) No one is saying one approach is better than the other. (3) It goes both ways. Westerners who make points too aggressively in Japan, particularly in work settings, get ostracised. This is a problem many of us have fitting in here. Likewise, Japanese who avoid arguments are always express passive or neutral opinions when they are in companies or schools abroad are often seen as stupid.
It will make more sense if you come here.
Hikosaemon 1 year ago 2
awesome video. that dog does look like a mixture of both though.
bigmanny 1 year ago
is it just me or does this video NOT have any subtitles ??? although it says to turn them on, but nothing there...
kua514 1 year ago
@kua514 never mind ..code 16. Found them! (:P)
kua514 1 year ago
Hah, quite funny! Well done!
TokyoZeplin 1 year ago
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Great video being entertained and educated at the same time! There is no better way to learn.
cloudstrifeification 1 year ago
Great video being entertained and educated at the same time! There is no better way to learn.
cloudstrifeification 1 year ago
So wot is it? dog? cat? monkey?
TheTongueBoy 1 year ago
great video! I think all of my relations with others are boiled down to likes or dislikes. I can tolerate almost everything he says if I like that person. But if I don't like him, things are different. In that case, I try to find SOMETHING that makes me like him, which always requires enormous patience, Hiko san. I couldn't do it in my 20's.
cagentle 1 year ago