the ash can be used for soil and plants, the creosote can be almost eliminated by a "U" shaped steel pipe pre-heated by the bead of the fire with small holes on top of the "U" pipe through wich air is sucked in by the vacuum the fire creates and thus you create a SECOND COMBUSTION CHAMBER wich burns the gases from the wood and the creosote wich would otherwise get on the chimney or , barel!Also,the barel needs a firebrick liner to keep the heat of the bedfire and burn efficiently(high temp)
Great job. I was thinking, you could build a connected chamber adjacent to the greenhouse or so, and allow the heat to be gently blown throughout the greenhouse via fans. Then you could reclaim yer space, and control the heat source better while distributing it from one end to the other by pipes. I wish I could draw a picture fer what I'm meaning. lol.
Nice setup, thanks for sharing and keep up the good work. I wanted to mention to anyone who might do this... DO NOT FOR ANY REASON burn so much as one stick of CCA pressure treated lumber in this or any other wood stove. It is tempting to burn the scraps but the ash that remains (and escapes through small cracks into the inside of the greenhouse) is EXTREMLY poisonous! No Joke here.
Ya got some firebrick in the bottom of that bottom barrel? Mebbe a layer of sand under the firebrick? The barrel will last a bit longer if ys just used the firebrick. Might hold the heat a bit longer, too. Overall, it's a nice set up, imo.
@MrRedNeckParadise At the time of this video, I didn't have any. But I bought some for this season, and I just put some in the stove that I built for my new greenhouse. Thanks.
comin from the north ya did good- I like the thermostat idea- im gonna use it-Thanks for your inginuity--I like the idea of runnin the pipe outside and tieng in plastic-its outside it wont hurt- nothin like cuttin costs as long as yer safe-Blessings to you all-Vern
@mhpgardener this is a good clean set up .your next step would seem to be a heat exchanger. ie a copper coil in the disipation chamber run in and out then into the ground the length of the green house, asmall pump could be added run from solar with abattery back up .this should disperse heat uniformly and you can discard the heat shield stuff
@dahistoryman That is something that I've thought about quite a bit. Right now, its about cost..copper is too expensive for me to be experimenting with. 2 options I've considered...wrapping the outside of the top barrel with copper, maybe 3/8, and pumping it thru an A-coil or other heat exchanger and using a blower...or just pumping it thru a long grow bed using pex. After I get the new one setup, I may try this.
@thinkyourright Rebar is too soft. I just put a stainless steel grate in it, (as noted by the VR) and should have no problems. True on the pipe..much of todays metal is recycled junk. When making a video on a topic, you don't know if the viewer has seen 50 more like it, or if its the first one. I try to explain everything as best I can. I'm sure you've seen plenty that provided few details and left you wondering. Merry Christmas ! ;-)
Ya buddy, thats what your suppose to do. Put a grate in it. And why all the babble? There's so much unnecessary talk in this vid that doesn't have to be in. Ppl just want the basic crux of the setup. I'm sure if ppl want to tackle something like this I'm sure they have some DIY skills and will be able to fill in the blanks. I mean heres a vid thats over 12 min long that could of been explained in about 4.
@thinkyourright How do you know what people want ? Do you have ESP ? If you dont like the vid dont watch it , always some one bitchin about someone else , hell you dont even know that rebar is soft ,besides that rebar dont weld good ,Damn keep it to youself .
This is pretty clever. I like the combustion air fan connected to timer and outdoor thermostat.
I'm a heating contractor and you are giving me some great ideas. How about a $10 box fan pointed at the unit or hung from the ceiling to disperse heat to the end of the greenhouse, maybe connected to a snap disc thermostat. $10.
What is the greenhouse made of, 6 mil plastic and pvc pipe?. Gives me an idea for end of world scenario :-)
@breckandy I do have a box fan above it now...as its situated on the opposite end of the GH. 2 more fans provide good air movement and uniform temps throughout. The plastic is 6 mil GH poly, and the hoops are EMT...electrical conduit. I did a video on the grate and new setup recently and listed it as a VR below. This thing is working like a charm, very much like a typical furnace. End of the world? I dunno....but it aint gonna be pretty !
great ideas, have you looked into adding a baffle plate and preheated secondary air intake to create secondary combustion, some quote a 30% increase in efficiency over a box/pot belly type fire and reduced creosote. Also what about placing another greenhouse over or inside this one for insulation purposes.
@deanznz You're gonna have to draw me a picture on that one. You went way over my head there. As for efficiency, I think thats where the second barrel comes into play. There is a lot of heat disipated by the second barrel that would otherwise have gonna up the pipe. I just added the second layer of plastic on this one, with the inflation blower...and I can tell a big difference already.
@mhpgardener the second barrel is a great idea to pull more heat out of the system, and secondary air and top plate gives more heat from same amount of wood by burning the "smoke" . check out these youtube videos.... Secondary Combustion Explained.wmv ...... steves homemade wood stove the sequel.
@MrHoneybee1234 With the current setup using a thermostatically controlled fan, I'm getting about 4 1/2 to 6 hours. It hasnt gotten real cold yet, so I expect that to be cut down to about 4 to 4 1/2 hours. Thats a lot better than the 2 1/2 to 3 that I was getting at times last winter. I want to be able to go to bed, and get back up only once. A 4 hour burn will give me that.
Bobby, I'm planning my GH as a winter project, so I came back & re-watched this and your other GH videos a couple of times. I realized that your VERY FIRST video was the original GH video done in Dec 2010. Man, you have come a LONG way in less than a year! You're a YT star! Someday I hope to be as successful and informative as you are. Had a little setback this summer with the rental prop, but I'll be doing more vids this winter & next spring. Thanks for your inspiration AND information. Karl
@cherylkelley1970 LOL...I say the same thing. I've come a long way. Those early videos were better than sleeping pills...geeezz ! A star? Haha, I wouldn't go that far. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. The stove is working by thermostat now, set about 63 with a 5 degree differential. Its maintaining 58-63 degrees, +/- a degree or so. Thanks Karl.
Very good. I kept asking what you were burning but near the ens I saw the split wood in the corner. We burned coal at Fr Gatdon and I had fireman duty for a wile. Very Good again.
@SidneyBou Thx. Around here, I dont think anyone uses coal, at least I haven't heard of it. Theres a lot of outside wood boilers though, something I'd like to have.
@40markava Yep, I stopped by Tractor Supply this morning to see what they had. Gotta do some measuring, see how many I need. I'll be getting it setup shortly, forecast is for 40's this weekend. :-(
@MrMarketing4u Thank you sir ! I agree, sure would be nice to find some American made stuff once in awhile. Other than DEBT of course. We seem to make plenty of that. :-(
You can get an upgraded vogelzang door called a deluxe air tight door. That may help. I got one and it has the gasket on the door. I bought mine on ebay.
@djs6576 Thx, I looked them up, not a bad deal. I'm gonna try to seal the one I have and see how it goes. If it fails...I'll be ordering the deluxe version.
@mhpgardener Is there any reason why that the second barrel couldn't be filled with water and a flume be passed thought it so as to heat the water which would retain the heat longer for less fuel and a more constant heat, sort of like a heat sink on a back boiler wood stove?
@bigfatcahoonas Thats an idea that has been "floated", no pun inteneded ! The problem with that is trying to support the 30-40 gal weight. If the barrel was turned 90 degrees, and a support was built under it, that might would work. Welding would be another issue. I'm terrible with thin metal, so trying to weld inside a barrel, and make it water tight, would be a problem for me. It does sound like a good idea though.
@mhpgardener I think you would end up with a lot of tarring from this anyhow cos the water would always be lowering the flue temperature, so maybe not such a good idea in practice.
@grandaddyc I'm not familiar with that stuff. I was thinking of just using a rope gasket around the lid, and then using the high heat caulk stuff around the access door. That lower barrel has temps around 1K degrees at times, so its gonna take something that can withstand those kind of temps. I really would like to get it airtight, so the stove would work at an optimum level.
@mhpgardener Quick google and rough science ,steel melts about 2500 f=1370 c ceramic rope good for 1260 c, holts gun gum(sodium silicate )only good for 810 c and is brittle ,bad idea of mine .wow1000f Ithink you could run a blacksmiths shop .I would try to smoke fish in the summer if it were mine .cheers
Come and build me one.. :) we use propane really expensive.. how big is your greenhouse?? I would probably need at least 2 units.. wish we didnt have such cold Springs..
@dianemummvideos Hmmm... I'm kinda booked up the next couple of months ! And I'm sure there's some travel involved as well. ... They are really simple. If you decide to go this right, I'll be glad to help you. Its 18 x 40, really not very big. That stove would easily heat twice that size if I did a better job of insulating, and added the second layer of plastic and blower.
you might be interested in this video watch?v=a7uBsO69P4w this guy found that he could get stainless steel stove pipe by using the sleeve liner from a chimney.
@HowToHydroponics Holy cow..that stuff costs a fortune. 6inch x 4 ft= $144...geez . I'd like to be able to use that, its definitely the way to go. Thx !
@Watsamadoing Hey, times are tough. Gotta make the most out of what I have. Kinda like the split pipe that you used to secure the plastic on your GH... have to get creative sometimes !
I don't know if they are any better than what you bought but Lowes was selling stove grates last winter, the black stove pipe too. I'd love to have another greenhouse. I had a very small one years ago and a tree fell on it. There's nothing better than going into a warm greenhouse full of living things in the dead of winter.
@imstillworkin I've got to come up with something. The grate really helped. I saw they had the stove pipe, I'll be going with that the next go round. It was an awesome winter. Snowed several times in December. I had to shovel a path to the GH ! And it was like another world inside, a really cool experience ! Now, its just down right HOT !
@mediamaker2000 If Bing doesn't...I'm sure the county does ! Its the same everywhere, counties, towns and states looking for anything and everything to tax you on. Oh well....
Thanks for the vid!!! Daniel and I are hoping to put something together in our greenhouse for the winter. We picked up one barrel from Memphis twine when I bought my crop netting and they are supposed to call me when they empty another one! I think that I'm going to dig out about 2 feet deep and set the stove in it to give me some room for extra dissipation. My greenhouse is only 7 1/2 feet tall!
@cfenster If you can get some 35 gal barrels, or whatever the smaller ones are, that might be better. There is a tremendous amount of heat being generated in the 55's...might be a bit overkill. And the hardware bkts support both size barrels.
BOBBY, i have lived with wood heat for 48 years , those are great stoves , one thing i know is the more elbo's you have the more smoke your have , if ever possible go straight up ,if you build a small well insulated room with a heavy duty fan to pull the heat in the green house, They make a black green house matt to cover the whole floor to help mainte the heat of the day, and your dirt under it will give off heat in the night. Good job as always...Mountainman
@mmlrc6atgmailcom The ideal situtation would be a stack straight thru the top of the GH. But I didnt want to cut a hole in the plastic. And I was afraid of falling embers, making holes. I am considering the small room with fan...but if I lose power, I could have a problem. I've got generators, but I'm thinking of a long term outage. I'm definitely using some type of black ground cover,for heat retention, and to cut down on the dust. It gets bone dry in there. Still a work in progress. Thx !!!
@mhpgardener Just a small solar panel to operate your fan should keep you off the grid and still functioning. Just wondering if you've ever considered some kind of solar heating system for your place. Maybe it could work in conjunction with glycol use the glycol set up mrbr was talking about? Yes, I know its quite a bit more expensive (if you buy it rather than build it) but... you never have worry about wood.
@anyusmoon1 Yea, a small panel would run a fan no problem. I'm gonna do a lot of things different next winter, I just haven't figured out what they are !
Your ultimate solution will be to make your own outdoor furnace. To go the cheapest route, use your barrel stove wrapped with soft copper line just outside the greenhouse. Run underground lines for glycol hot water inside the perimeter of your greenhouse, using thermostatic control over the draft to your stove. You will need to enclose your stove in a structure of course, and I would suggest using sand as the thermal mass and for fire isolation. You may need to use 4x4 framing to hold the sand.
@mrbr549 Sounds like some of the ideas we tossed around. I've got a couple of buddys who are great HVAC guys, and wrapping in copper was suggested, as well as pipes in the barrels, and even a large heat exchanger. There are 2 things I need....function and simplicity. It has to heat very well, a lot of BTU output. And it also has to be able to operate without electricty. Trying to picture what you're suggesting... let me think on it a bit ;-)
@mediamaker2000 I have watched several videos about them, but I don't fully understand the process or how to apply it to what I'm doing. After I saw how well the barrels worked, I just concentrated on ways to improve them. I'm sure theres a simple method for the rocket stove, I just haven't researched it very much.
@mhpgardener They are super efficient. Only 100-300 degrees escapes from the flu, the rest is stored heat. Mostly used in cob houses. Would be interesting to see a cob house/greenhouse!
Man you just got it going on!!! You have a great set up! Great green house! I will save this video for MM to watch! he is gethering ideas for our GH. It is going to be 12x24. I have been saving this video till I had time to sit down and watch w/o intureptions. Now I have and glad I did..Thank you and great job as usually!!! God Bless~~Misty~~
Thats one hell of a stove and set up . I saw a advertisment in the back of a mother earth news or countryside mag(cant remember whitch one it was) a long time ago for a outdoor wood burning forced air furnace that might interest you . Try googling "outdoor wood forced air furnace" .
@selfreliantboy I looked it up...not a bad setup. Just one problem..or rather 3800 problems ! For that price, I'd pay a little more and get a Taylor wood stove. If I'm gonna pay 3800 for a wood stove like that, it needs to cut and stack its own wood, and then have an auto-loader ! Did you miss the part about me being poor ? lol I'm trying to use the general idea of an outside wood stove, and configure the barrel setup similarly.
@selfreliantboy LOL . LOL .no no , It was just an Idea dude lol .Being a huge tight wad myself,I assumed that you are to ,and would build your own outdoor furnace . and this would just give you some ideas lol . Im poor to .real poor, lol ,If you only knew .
Bobby growing up our neighboors had a cast iron wood burning stove in there summer kitchen. They did all there canning in it. They had one in there house also bult on a small room for it. Talk about heating the house.
@Allen2045 Thats kinda my idea, build a small room or something for the sole purpose of putting the stove in there. Not so much a room I guess as just a place to house the stove. It would have to be fireproofed, specially constructed. I've also considered one of those old cook stoves, like a Mealmaster...cheapest I could find was about $500. It might be on my wish list for some time.
@mhpgardener My grandparens had a 4 burner cast iron stove with the chiminey and everything in a little shed out back. When my mom and her brother and sister sold the house after they passed they took it out front for the garbage truck. A guy drove by slamed on his breaks and said Ill give you $250 cash for it right now. Deal Uncle Bill said. The guy said he had a hunting cabin that this would be perfect for.
@mindround Thx. I'm hoping somebody see's it and has suggestions on how to make the stove work even better. I'm trying to figure a good way to heat my house with it, without getting smoke inside....for when we have no electricity...or the SHTF.
@MelodeeRose Thats the thing that made the most difference. It makes starting a fire a piece of cake. Like a car going 0 to 60 in 4 seconds... it gets a fire going in a hurry.
@Marlania1 Hmmm...very carefully ? lol. Kinda simple, each hoop is 3 10ft pcs of 3/4 conduit, bent on a homemade jig, secured to the ground with 3ft pcs of 1 inch conduit. 2x4 and 2x6 framing around the bottom, ends are 4x4 and2x4..windows I had on hand...framed ends to fit windows. Plastic secured by 1x2 furring strips. When I start the next one, I'll do videos of the process. Its gonna be very different.
@BexarPrepper Just trying to use that little void between my ears ! My mind never stops, the wheels are always turning. Watching other folks videos really helps too. So, keep up the good work ! ;-)
Nice setup, and seems you have some really cool things coming to make it even better. Keep the great videos coming, I have been enjoying them for sure.
@TheDarkowen Thanks! Its great to hear from you. You were one of my first subscribers, back before I knew what one was ! Thx for sticking with me ! I really appreciate it !
the ash can be used for soil and plants, the creosote can be almost eliminated by a "U" shaped steel pipe pre-heated by the bead of the fire with small holes on top of the "U" pipe through wich air is sucked in by the vacuum the fire creates and thus you create a SECOND COMBUSTION CHAMBER wich burns the gases from the wood and the creosote wich would otherwise get on the chimney or , barel!Also,the barel needs a firebrick liner to keep the heat of the bedfire and burn efficiently(high temp)
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gabigowriel 3 weeks ago
Have you considered running your water system through copper pipe on the outside of this system?
EG having the copper wrapped around the barrels and it heats up the water for your heating system / shower system.
Just a thought and you could save on your heating bills :)
nephilim2006edge 3 weeks ago
Great job. I was thinking, you could build a connected chamber adjacent to the greenhouse or so, and allow the heat to be gently blown throughout the greenhouse via fans. Then you could reclaim yer space, and control the heat source better while distributing it from one end to the other by pipes. I wish I could draw a picture fer what I'm meaning. lol.
BigPecan2010 2 months ago
Nice setup, thanks for sharing and keep up the good work. I wanted to mention to anyone who might do this... DO NOT FOR ANY REASON burn so much as one stick of CCA pressure treated lumber in this or any other wood stove. It is tempting to burn the scraps but the ash that remains (and escapes through small cracks into the inside of the greenhouse) is EXTREMLY poisonous! No Joke here.
llewej7 2 months ago
@llewej7 Thx...I've heard similar about treated wood. All my scraps go to the dump, no need taking chances.
mhpgardener 2 months ago
Ya got some firebrick in the bottom of that bottom barrel? Mebbe a layer of sand under the firebrick? The barrel will last a bit longer if ys just used the firebrick. Might hold the heat a bit longer, too. Overall, it's a nice set up, imo.
MrRedNeckParadise 2 months ago 2
@MrRedNeckParadise At the time of this video, I didn't have any. But I bought some for this season, and I just put some in the stove that I built for my new greenhouse. Thanks.
mhpgardener 2 months ago
Good ol American ingenuity...Good job Bobby!
DesertDigger1 2 months ago
@DesertDigger1 Thank you much !
mhpgardener 2 months ago
comin from the north ya did good- I like the thermostat idea- im gonna use it-Thanks for your inginuity--I like the idea of runnin the pipe outside and tieng in plastic-its outside it wont hurt- nothin like cuttin costs as long as yer safe-Blessings to you all-Vern
VERN186 2 months ago
@VERN186 Thx Vern, and Happy New Year to ya sir !
mhpgardener 2 months ago
@mhpgardener this is a good clean set up .your next step would seem to be a heat exchanger. ie a copper coil in the disipation chamber run in and out then into the ground the length of the green house, asmall pump could be added run from solar with abattery back up .this should disperse heat uniformly and you can discard the heat shield stuff
dahistoryman 2 months ago
@dahistoryman That is something that I've thought about quite a bit. Right now, its about cost..copper is too expensive for me to be experimenting with. 2 options I've considered...wrapping the outside of the top barrel with copper, maybe 3/8, and pumping it thru an A-coil or other heat exchanger and using a blower...or just pumping it thru a long grow bed using pex. After I get the new one setup, I may try this.
mhpgardener 2 months ago
If you want a grate, get some rebar and tack it at the joints
thinkyourright 2 months ago
@thinkyourright Rebar is too soft. I just put a stainless steel grate in it, (as noted by the VR) and should have no problems. True on the pipe..much of todays metal is recycled junk. When making a video on a topic, you don't know if the viewer has seen 50 more like it, or if its the first one. I try to explain everything as best I can. I'm sure you've seen plenty that provided few details and left you wondering. Merry Christmas ! ;-)
mhpgardener 2 months ago
If its galvanized the rain shouldn't of hurt it. If it did then that is definitely form China
thinkyourright 2 months ago
Ya buddy, thats what your suppose to do. Put a grate in it. And why all the babble? There's so much unnecessary talk in this vid that doesn't have to be in. Ppl just want the basic crux of the setup. I'm sure if ppl want to tackle something like this I'm sure they have some DIY skills and will be able to fill in the blanks. I mean heres a vid thats over 12 min long that could of been explained in about 4.
thinkyourright 2 months ago
@thinkyourright How do you know what people want ? Do you have ESP ? If you dont like the vid dont watch it , always some one bitchin about someone else , hell you dont even know that rebar is soft ,besides that rebar dont weld good ,Damn keep it to youself .
soggybuilders 2 months ago 3
@thinkyourright == IF YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WHAT THE H-LL ARE YOU WATCHING THIS FOR.
JUST SO YOU CAN B-TCH.
DON'T LIKE IT. DON'T WATCH.
I HAVE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
AND I ENJOY HIM TAKING THE TIME TO GIVE COMPLETE AND THOROUGH EXPLANATIONS TO THOSE WHOM MIGHT NEED IT AND ADMIRE HIS DEDICATION TO DO SO.
RDLONG30 2 months ago
This is pretty clever. I like the combustion air fan connected to timer and outdoor thermostat.
I'm a heating contractor and you are giving me some great ideas. How about a $10 box fan pointed at the unit or hung from the ceiling to disperse heat to the end of the greenhouse, maybe connected to a snap disc thermostat. $10.
What is the greenhouse made of, 6 mil plastic and pvc pipe?. Gives me an idea for end of world scenario :-)
breckandy 2 months ago
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thinkyourright 2 months ago
@breckandy Clever?? Its been on the web for yrs. Thats where he got the idea. Go look them up.
thinkyourright 2 months ago
@breckandy I do have a box fan above it now...as its situated on the opposite end of the GH. 2 more fans provide good air movement and uniform temps throughout. The plastic is 6 mil GH poly, and the hoops are EMT...electrical conduit. I did a video on the grate and new setup recently and listed it as a VR below. This thing is working like a charm, very much like a typical furnace. End of the world? I dunno....but it aint gonna be pretty !
mhpgardener 2 months ago
You can reburn the creosote you collect after scraping fyi.
transdrole 2 months ago
Thanks for the video. This Will help me.
xxxwoody33 2 months ago
great ideas, have you looked into adding a baffle plate and preheated secondary air intake to create secondary combustion, some quote a 30% increase in efficiency over a box/pot belly type fire and reduced creosote. Also what about placing another greenhouse over or inside this one for insulation purposes.
deanznz 4 months ago
@deanznz You're gonna have to draw me a picture on that one. You went way over my head there. As for efficiency, I think thats where the second barrel comes into play. There is a lot of heat disipated by the second barrel that would otherwise have gonna up the pipe. I just added the second layer of plastic on this one, with the inflation blower...and I can tell a big difference already.
mhpgardener 3 months ago
@mhpgardener the second barrel is a great idea to pull more heat out of the system, and secondary air and top plate gives more heat from same amount of wood by burning the "smoke" . check out these youtube videos.... Secondary Combustion Explained.wmv ...... steves homemade wood stove the sequel.
deanznz 3 months ago
How long will it burn a load of wood over night ? I like that green house too.
MrHoneybee1234 4 months ago
@MrHoneybee1234 With the current setup using a thermostatically controlled fan, I'm getting about 4 1/2 to 6 hours. It hasnt gotten real cold yet, so I expect that to be cut down to about 4 to 4 1/2 hours. Thats a lot better than the 2 1/2 to 3 that I was getting at times last winter. I want to be able to go to bed, and get back up only once. A 4 hour burn will give me that.
mhpgardener 4 months ago
lets see you fire up your wood stove
firewoodguy2009 4 months ago
@firewoodguy2009 I'll post something on it in a couple weeks or so. Its working great this year, much better.
mhpgardener 4 months ago
Oops, I forgot that I was on my wife's computer. Cherylkelley1970 and nov51947 are a couple. But she likes the vids, too!
nov51947 4 months ago
@nov51947 LOL....you don't look like a Cheryl to me !
mhpgardener 4 months ago
Bobby, I'm planning my GH as a winter project, so I came back & re-watched this and your other GH videos a couple of times. I realized that your VERY FIRST video was the original GH video done in Dec 2010. Man, you have come a LONG way in less than a year! You're a YT star! Someday I hope to be as successful and informative as you are. Had a little setback this summer with the rental prop, but I'll be doing more vids this winter & next spring. Thanks for your inspiration AND information. Karl
cherylkelley1970 4 months ago
@cherylkelley1970 LOL...I say the same thing. I've come a long way. Those early videos were better than sleeping pills...geeezz ! A star? Haha, I wouldn't go that far. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. The stove is working by thermostat now, set about 63 with a 5 degree differential. Its maintaining 58-63 degrees, +/- a degree or so. Thanks Karl.
mhpgardener 4 months ago
good job
thumbs up
beachfiredude 5 months ago
@beachfiredude Thank you sir !
mhpgardener 5 months ago
Very good. I kept asking what you were burning but near the ens I saw the split wood in the corner. We burned coal at Fr Gatdon and I had fireman duty for a wile. Very Good again.
SidneyBou 5 months ago
@SidneyBou Thx. Around here, I dont think anyone uses coal, at least I haven't heard of it. Theres a lot of outside wood boilers though, something I'd like to have.
mhpgardener 5 months ago
try lining the bottom with fire brick!
40markava 5 months ago
@40markava Yep, I stopped by Tractor Supply this morning to see what they had. Gotta do some measuring, see how many I need. I'll be getting it setup shortly, forecast is for 40's this weekend. :-(
mhpgardener 5 months ago
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bigfatcahoonas 5 months ago
Best video on this type of stove kit on youtube, the door is made in China too,
its a shame there is no USA company which can make the same.
MrMarketing4u 5 months ago
@MrMarketing4u Thank you sir ! I agree, sure would be nice to find some American made stuff once in awhile. Other than DEBT of course. We seem to make plenty of that. :-(
mhpgardener 5 months ago
You can get an upgraded vogelzang door called a deluxe air tight door. That may help. I got one and it has the gasket on the door. I bought mine on ebay.
djs6576 6 months ago
@djs6576 Thx, I looked them up, not a bad deal. I'm gonna try to seal the one I have and see how it goes. If it fails...I'll be ordering the deluxe version.
mhpgardener 5 months ago
@mhpgardener Is there any reason why that the second barrel couldn't be filled with water and a flume be passed thought it so as to heat the water which would retain the heat longer for less fuel and a more constant heat, sort of like a heat sink on a back boiler wood stove?
bigfatcahoonas 5 months ago
@bigfatcahoonas Thats an idea that has been "floated", no pun inteneded ! The problem with that is trying to support the 30-40 gal weight. If the barrel was turned 90 degrees, and a support was built under it, that might would work. Welding would be another issue. I'm terrible with thin metal, so trying to weld inside a barrel, and make it water tight, would be a problem for me. It does sound like a good idea though.
mhpgardener 5 months ago
@mhpgardener I think you would end up with a lot of tarring from this anyhow cos the water would always be lowering the flue temperature, so maybe not such a good idea in practice.
bigfatcahoonas 5 months ago
@GilaTomster Thank you !
mhpgardener 6 months ago
For the lower gasket coud you use exhaust pipe sealant (gun gum) and replace it every cleanout.?If they still make it?
grandaddyc 6 months ago
@grandaddyc I'm not familiar with that stuff. I was thinking of just using a rope gasket around the lid, and then using the high heat caulk stuff around the access door. That lower barrel has temps around 1K degrees at times, so its gonna take something that can withstand those kind of temps. I really would like to get it airtight, so the stove would work at an optimum level.
mhpgardener 6 months ago
@mhpgardener Quick google and rough science ,steel melts about 2500 f=1370 c ceramic rope good for 1260 c, holts gun gum(sodium silicate )only good for 810 c and is brittle ,bad idea of mine .wow1000f Ithink you could run a blacksmiths shop .I would try to smoke fish in the summer if it were mine .cheers
grandaddyc 6 months ago
Come and build me one.. :) we use propane really expensive.. how big is your greenhouse?? I would probably need at least 2 units.. wish we didnt have such cold Springs..
dianemummvideos 8 months ago
@dianemummvideos Hmmm... I'm kinda booked up the next couple of months ! And I'm sure there's some travel involved as well. ... They are really simple. If you decide to go this right, I'll be glad to help you. Its 18 x 40, really not very big. That stove would easily heat twice that size if I did a better job of insulating, and added the second layer of plastic and blower.
mhpgardener 8 months ago
Very interesting Bobby. You give me lots of ideas but on a smaller scale. Keep up the good work. Mark (Pepperman)
mfpieklik 9 months ago
@mfpieklik Me? Ideas? Uh oh, lol ... What do you have in mind? Any suggestions that might help me ?
mhpgardener 9 months ago
you might be interested in this video watch?v=a7uBsO69P4w this guy found that he could get stainless steel stove pipe by using the sleeve liner from a chimney.
HowToHydroponics 9 months ago
@HowToHydroponics Holy cow..that stuff costs a fortune. 6inch x 4 ft= $144...geez . I'd like to be able to use that, its definitely the way to go. Thx !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Very clever man! Love when people come up with inventions or recycled methods to help resolve their issues.
Watsamadoing 9 months ago
@Watsamadoing Hey, times are tough. Gotta make the most out of what I have. Kinda like the split pipe that you used to secure the plastic on your GH... have to get creative sometimes !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
I don't know if they are any better than what you bought but Lowes was selling stove grates last winter, the black stove pipe too. I'd love to have another greenhouse. I had a very small one years ago and a tree fell on it. There's nothing better than going into a warm greenhouse full of living things in the dead of winter.
imstillworkin 9 months ago
@imstillworkin I've got to come up with something. The grate really helped. I saw they had the stove pipe, I'll be going with that the next go round. It was an awesome winter. Snowed several times in December. I had to shovel a path to the GH ! And it was like another world inside, a really cool experience ! Now, its just down right HOT !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
You should go to bing and see if they have a satellite image of your greenhouse!
mediamaker2000 9 months ago
@mediamaker2000 If Bing doesn't...I'm sure the county does ! Its the same everywhere, counties, towns and states looking for anything and everything to tax you on. Oh well....
mhpgardener 9 months ago
@mhpgardener Ah! Big brother! Do they tax more if you have a greenhouse?
mediamaker2000 9 months ago
Sounds like a lot of hot air to me! lol
Thanks for the vid!!! Daniel and I are hoping to put something together in our greenhouse for the winter. We picked up one barrel from Memphis twine when I bought my crop netting and they are supposed to call me when they empty another one! I think that I'm going to dig out about 2 feet deep and set the stove in it to give me some room for extra dissipation. My greenhouse is only 7 1/2 feet tall!
cfenster 9 months ago
@cfenster If you can get some 35 gal barrels, or whatever the smaller ones are, that might be better. There is a tremendous amount of heat being generated in the 55's...might be a bit overkill. And the hardware bkts support both size barrels.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
BOBBY, i have lived with wood heat for 48 years , those are great stoves , one thing i know is the more elbo's you have the more smoke your have , if ever possible go straight up ,if you build a small well insulated room with a heavy duty fan to pull the heat in the green house, They make a black green house matt to cover the whole floor to help mainte the heat of the day, and your dirt under it will give off heat in the night. Good job as always...Mountainman
mmlrc6atgmailcom 9 months ago
@mmlrc6atgmailcom The ideal situtation would be a stack straight thru the top of the GH. But I didnt want to cut a hole in the plastic. And I was afraid of falling embers, making holes. I am considering the small room with fan...but if I lose power, I could have a problem. I've got generators, but I'm thinking of a long term outage. I'm definitely using some type of black ground cover,for heat retention, and to cut down on the dust. It gets bone dry in there. Still a work in progress. Thx !!!
mhpgardener 9 months ago
@mhpgardener Just a small solar panel to operate your fan should keep you off the grid and still functioning. Just wondering if you've ever considered some kind of solar heating system for your place. Maybe it could work in conjunction with glycol use the glycol set up mrbr was talking about? Yes, I know its quite a bit more expensive (if you buy it rather than build it) but... you never have worry about wood.
anyusmoon1 9 months ago
@anyusmoon1 Yea, a small panel would run a fan no problem. I'm gonna do a lot of things different next winter, I just haven't figured out what they are !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Your ultimate solution will be to make your own outdoor furnace. To go the cheapest route, use your barrel stove wrapped with soft copper line just outside the greenhouse. Run underground lines for glycol hot water inside the perimeter of your greenhouse, using thermostatic control over the draft to your stove. You will need to enclose your stove in a structure of course, and I would suggest using sand as the thermal mass and for fire isolation. You may need to use 4x4 framing to hold the sand.
mrbr549 9 months ago
@mrbr549 Sounds like some of the ideas we tossed around. I've got a couple of buddys who are great HVAC guys, and wrapping in copper was suggested, as well as pipes in the barrels, and even a large heat exchanger. There are 2 things I need....function and simplicity. It has to heat very well, a lot of BTU output. And it also has to be able to operate without electricty. Trying to picture what you're suggesting... let me think on it a bit ;-)
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Great Video! Very informitive! thanks for posting
stevesrt8 9 months ago
@stevesrt8 Thx, I'm just trying to give back a little. I've learned a lot from other folks videos, a whole lot !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
The Barrel Wood stove cleans up pretty nicely. Great job in explaining your trials and tribulations. Should be a fun Woodstove 2.0 project. Thanks!
bowlmeoverva 9 months ago
@bowlmeoverva Yes sir...real easy to work with. Thx, looking forward to the next version !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Have you ever considered a thermal mass rocket stove?
Dale
mediamaker2000 9 months ago
@mediamaker2000 I have watched several videos about them, but I don't fully understand the process or how to apply it to what I'm doing. After I saw how well the barrels worked, I just concentrated on ways to improve them. I'm sure theres a simple method for the rocket stove, I just haven't researched it very much.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
@mhpgardener They are super efficient. Only 100-300 degrees escapes from the flu, the rest is stored heat. Mostly used in cob houses. Would be interesting to see a cob house/greenhouse!
mediamaker2000 9 months ago
Man you just got it going on!!! You have a great set up! Great green house! I will save this video for MM to watch! he is gethering ideas for our GH. It is going to be 12x24. I have been saving this video till I had time to sit down and watch w/o intureptions. Now I have and glad I did..Thank you and great job as usually!!! God Bless~~Misty~~
mmlrc6atgmailcom 9 months ago
@mmlrc6atgmailcom Thx Misty. Its been quite a learning process, but I'm getting there. Gonna be cool seeing what ya'll come up with !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Thats one hell of a stove and set up . I saw a advertisment in the back of a mother earth news or countryside mag(cant remember whitch one it was) a long time ago for a outdoor wood burning forced air furnace that might interest you . Try googling "outdoor wood forced air furnace" .
selfreliantboy 9 months ago
@selfreliantboy I looked it up...not a bad setup. Just one problem..or rather 3800 problems ! For that price, I'd pay a little more and get a Taylor wood stove. If I'm gonna pay 3800 for a wood stove like that, it needs to cut and stack its own wood, and then have an auto-loader ! Did you miss the part about me being poor ? lol I'm trying to use the general idea of an outside wood stove, and configure the barrel setup similarly.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
@selfreliantboy LOL . LOL .no no , It was just an Idea dude lol .Being a huge tight wad myself,I assumed that you are to ,and would build your own outdoor furnace . and this would just give you some ideas lol . Im poor to .real poor, lol ,If you only knew .
selfreliantboy 9 months ago
Bobby growing up our neighboors had a cast iron wood burning stove in there summer kitchen. They did all there canning in it. They had one in there house also bult on a small room for it. Talk about heating the house.
Allen2045 9 months ago
@Allen2045 Thats kinda my idea, build a small room or something for the sole purpose of putting the stove in there. Not so much a room I guess as just a place to house the stove. It would have to be fireproofed, specially constructed. I've also considered one of those old cook stoves, like a Mealmaster...cheapest I could find was about $500. It might be on my wish list for some time.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
@mhpgardener My grandparens had a 4 burner cast iron stove with the chiminey and everything in a little shed out back. When my mom and her brother and sister sold the house after they passed they took it out front for the garbage truck. A guy drove by slamed on his breaks and said Ill give you $250 cash for it right now. Deal Uncle Bill said. The guy said he had a hunting cabin that this would be perfect for.
Allen2045 9 months ago
I really enjoyed this video.
mindround 9 months ago
@mindround Thx. I'm hoping somebody see's it and has suggestions on how to make the stove work even better. I'm trying to figure a good way to heat my house with it, without getting smoke inside....for when we have no electricity...or the SHTF.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Very nice! The air intake system is very clever indeed :-)
MelodeeRose 9 months ago
@MelodeeRose Thats the thing that made the most difference. It makes starting a fire a piece of cake. Like a car going 0 to 60 in 4 seconds... it gets a fire going in a hurry.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
I would love to know how you built your greenhouse.
Marlania G.
Houston,Texas
Marlania1 9 months ago
@Marlania1 Hmmm...very carefully ? lol. Kinda simple, each hoop is 3 10ft pcs of 3/4 conduit, bent on a homemade jig, secured to the ground with 3ft pcs of 1 inch conduit. 2x4 and 2x6 framing around the bottom, ends are 4x4 and2x4..windows I had on hand...framed ends to fit windows. Plastic secured by 1x2 furring strips. When I start the next one, I'll do videos of the process. Its gonna be very different.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
I love your inginuity Bobby! Blessings
BexarPrepper 9 months ago
@BexarPrepper Just trying to use that little void between my ears ! My mind never stops, the wheels are always turning. Watching other folks videos really helps too. So, keep up the good work ! ;-)
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Nice setup, and seems you have some really cool things coming to make it even better. Keep the great videos coming, I have been enjoying them for sure.
TheDarkowen 9 months ago
@TheDarkowen Thanks! Its great to hear from you. You were one of my first subscribers, back before I knew what one was ! Thx for sticking with me ! I really appreciate it !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Very nice stove sir.
jwlrymkr 9 months ago
@jwlrymkr Gracias Amigo !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
How big is your greenhouse and did you build it yourself?
susannamcintyre 9 months ago
@susannamcintyre Kinda small, just 18 x 40..and yes, pretty much. I did have a buddy help me a little on the end walls and putting the plastic on.
mhpgardener 9 months ago
Im Impressed Bobby. Looks good.
Allen2045 9 months ago
@Allen2045 Thanks Paula !
mhpgardener 9 months ago
nice set up
MrVTHILLBILLY 9 months ago
@MrVTHILLBILLY Thx ... its been a life saver !
mhpgardener 9 months ago