Im glad to see you as an atheist do something like this. Many other stories like yours all too often seem to require the necessity of a "come to Jesus" element in the process. I definitely commend you. Btw, im a little confused about the situation, is your rapist actually defending or excusing his actions? that seems so absurd even for the most uncompassionate of people.
This was in response to another YT user's rants about how rape is no big deal, in a nutshell. It appears that he's removed the videos to which I was replying.
I've never had faith, even as a child. Crises and trauma never changed my mind; rather, they've reinforced in me how strong one's inner power can be.
pathetic.. its depressing, and i really hope that the men who made such screwed up remarks about rape survivors are not actually serious about there feelins towards them.. its really depressing that there are so many men who feel this way, i came on here to actually look for this kinda answers, i was just hoping that it was not true. when i was in video gallery some guys in refference to "last house on the left" about how women who are raped are dirty.
and they wouldnt want to have a relationship with a "raped and used person".. and it makes me mad and really sad cause i was raped before. im not looking for pitty, not trying to change anyones view on the issue or anything that changes anyones beliefe. but men have feelings here, yea you was in an argument with -katatawnic- but take into consederation that there are other woman who come on here that was hurt before by rape, that read this too. and having to read such rude comments is like a big
Sadly, Countrygirly, most who speak that way do mean what they say. "Ignorant" is a only a beginning in describing this problem. People seem to think that "freedom of speech" means it's perfectly OK to say whatever they want to others, no matter how much it hurts and demeans them. I'm not someone on a "PC kick" but there's still respect of others to consider, and nowadays respect of others is respected less and less. Just about everyone expects to receive it, but few give it. :(
beyond2k8: "Fuck all rape victims...I never had pity for them...they all ask for it and never wind up telling anyone cause they enjoy it deep down...go ahead give me thumbs down as long as I conveyed my message"
2) The thing about jokes is that they are not serious.
3) Making jokes about things such as rape require you to make sure nobody around will get offended, otherwise you could get in trouble.
4) However, on the internet, the same does not apply. There is no sense in getting offended over one person half the way around the world's views. Youtube is not serious business. The internet is not serious business. Otherwise you will be offended a lot and be once again a victim.
3) He wasn't making jokes. He's asserted more than once that the term "rape survivor" offends HIM. I have no sympathy for that.
4a) We are real people communicating with other real people. Distance & machines don't change this. When you're disabled and your only form of socializing is via the 'net, perhaps your view on "it's 'just' the Internet" will change, as mine did.
4b) Rebutting a claim does not a victim make. It can be empowering.
Four-day-old account named "DaddyRapist" spewing bullshit like this would indicate to anyone with an IQ higher than that of a carrot that it's a shill account designed solely to troll for emotional reactions.
This "stupid cunt" was raped - you'd know this if you actually *watched* the entire video.
If one considers another's behavior that is rational and yet firm while *not* going into dramatic antics to be "stupid" then I guess you pegged me.
Rape is not something to be taken lightly, its not a joke, not funny in any shape or form. No one can just "move on" or "get over it" its takes a lot of time to move on. It took me a year just to be able to admit that it happend to me. This "kid" had no idea what he was getting himself into and talking about, neither does anyone else who makes light of it.
You can copy/paste definitions till the cows come home, and your use of the word in that comment will still be improper. Just accept it.
I do understand what you're attempting to convey. I simply don't agree with your views and you cannot change that.
Give up already, you're a lost cause in my book. I'm only responding now out of sheer boredom due to insomnia (although the TV has become much more entertaining, which is saying quite a lot).... not because what you have to say concerns me.
Also, if you feel any sense of violation, then obviously something has been made to feel its vulnerability to violation. In regards to feeling you are an animal, the more that happens to your physiology via that which it hasn't experienced - the more opened it has become to what it is functionally/experientially - and each animal is a physiology.
"obviously something has been made to feel its vulnerability to violation"
Yes, it's called humanity.
"the more that happens to your physiology via that which it hasn't experienced" (blah blah blah)
Phisiology is the study of the mechanical, physical, and biochemical functions of living organisms. Study of, not a living entity as you referred to myself and each animal.
You're trying so hard to come off as intelligent and having a vast vocabulary that your sentences make no sense whatsoever.
Ah, I get it now. Therefore, there MUST be some people who have been brutally raped whose views are that it's OK, it's just nature, and, after all, "females do have a hole in them made for insertion with a penis and men can put it in there even when females don't want it."
Gotcha. You're completely correct, and I'm completely off base. I recant my statements now. Thank you for your vast knowledge and education.
BTW, men also have holes that can be inserted. Careful, it can happen to anyone.
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(This must mean that females do have a hole in them made for insertion with a penis and men can put it in there even when females don't want it)<------------Correct. What is the problem?
whisker55, the problem (aside from the obvious in your comment that I therefore won't bother acknowledging) is that you're a lonely little troll begging for attention, positive or negative so long as it is attention.
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OH SHIT! This must mean that females do have a hole in them made for insertion with a penis and men can put it in there even when females don't want it just like other mammals do! HOLY SHIT! That's fucked up! DAMN. WHAT A VIOLATION OF PRIMAL NATURE!!! I mean, no wait, I'm incorrect... WHAT A VIOLATION OF THE LAW!!! I mean, wait, that's only if the man is caught AND found guilty... WHAT A VIOLATION OF... HER HUMANITY! DAMN. SHE KNOWS NOW SHE'S AN ANIMAL AND NOT INVULNERABLE! SHIT! FUCKED UP!
Therefore, my statements ARE applicable across the board according to the "profound statement" you personally gave me: I am an individual giving my subjective (the applicable word you were seeking) opinion. From experience, at that.
Further, I don't seek out others' "vulnerabilities" and attempt to tear down those individuals. Why such need for attention, dear?
If you think you've hurt me, you've got another think coming. Sorry, you'll have to try elsewhere.
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What I love about rape is the woman can't control their wetness or whether or not they orgasm during the assult in some South American countries women consider rape a compliment. To have a man so desire you he must take you by force is a compliment honestly.
You're severely misinformed, IF not seeking an emotional reaction for shits and giggles.
Lubrication, erections, and orgasms are purely mechanical, physiological responses. Granted, sexual arousal is amplified by one's state of mind, which is NOT augmented by *unwilling* assault.
Cite your claim RE: women in "some South American countries" considering rape a compliment.
To be so desired that I am sensually seduced with mutual desire is a compliment.... not being forced upon against my will.
I'm fully aware of this, but I'm done following the advice I previously gave to others: "Don't feed the trolls." Doesn't matter if you feed or starve them, they still do all they can to hurt/anger others. It is NOT "just the Internet" as so many say.... we are real people communicating via text, audio, video, etc.; just because there are keyboards and monitors instead of face-to-face conversation doesn't change the reality of the communication.
If I NEEDED one to "put in me" then I wouldn't HAVE "access to" one with which to do so, would I? More semantics, or are you finished making a fool of yourself?
Further, I shut up when I choose. Don't like it? Don't watch my videos.
(I notice you didn't clarify whether or not you've actually been raped, so your saying "who ever said i haven't been raped?" comes off more than before as the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.... put simply for your feeble mind, a lie; at the least an implied one.)
Resorting to pulling insults out of your ass, I see. You could have simply admitted that you weren't able to intellectually refute my arguments. But hey, it's OK, I know you've got a long way to go and just might have a shred of hope for intelligence in your future.
(1) Learn some goddamn respect before making sissy little remarks behind the safety of your keyboard you fucking cunt. I'd suggest you need a cock forcefully shoved up your ass and see how you like it, but I'm bigger than that.
(2) These duragatory comments "making fun of" the CRIME of rape are old. Rape is NOT funny. Imagine YOURSELF being RAPED.
(Watch "Pulp Fiction" before laughing again.)
(3) I didn't once whine. I spoke with dignity about NOT being a lifelong victim.
my sister was raped by a guy who showed no remorse, so i broke his legs with a baseball bat and left him in a parking lot to suffer the way he left my baby sister. he didnt know who i was but he seemed to know what it was for right bout the time the bat made contact [he was screaming im sorry over and over but it fell on deaf ears]i just kept swinging.men in this country seem to have forgotten what it means to be a man. RESPECT WOMEN! or one day you might see me at the wrong end of a bat
comngetsome, my husband and I both believe that vigilantism should be legalized again. Actually, it never should have been made illegal. Yeah, I know, innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz, but let's face it.... our judicial system may be "one of the best" (insofar as we know from personal experience), but it's far from "just" all the same.
Good on you for breaking his legs! I'd have done a little impromptu surgery while I was at it. ;)
Who ever said that I don't get a "cock in my pussy" as you phrased it with such class?
I didn't claim you haven't nor have been raped. Neither did you. I doubt you were, as your suggestion for me to get laid and shut up screamed otherwise. Considering the lovely comment you left, you certainly implied that you've NO clue as to what it's like to be raped. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah, I got pissed off and didn't contain myself as I *generally* do around here. Idiocy and cruelty can do that.
Well. There's nothing wrong with your video or singing. The only thing I would say is you should try to remember that sometimes, here on youtube, peoples opinions can seem more impotant than they actually are in the wider scheme of things... shake 'em off
artestra: "sometimes, here on youtube, peoples opinions can seem more impotant than they actually are in the wider scheme of things... shake 'em off"
I know, and I do. ;p
My decision to respond in the first place was soley because some people's opinions do, in fact, seem more important than they actually are. I simply felt it was time he heard it from a woman who'd been through it; whether he cared wasn't important to me.
Addressing some things can be therapeutic, as well. ;)
"I wonder what attitude some people would have if their mother/daughter/sister/girlfriend went through something like this?
Would they post bullsh*t comments. Would they be so cavalier and insensitive about all this..."
Well, according to the consensus in the comments on this page, "they" would. I don't buy it, but that's the claim all the same. Who would back down and admit one might be "wrong" if one doesn't have to, when one makes remarks such as those all over this page? :)
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Maybe if you didn't loose your virginity from rape you would be a happier person. I can understand why you hate the world because you are a dirty slutbag who put herself in a position to be raped, but that doesn't mean you can bring everyone else down with you (you can't because you are the lowest of the low)
What's so pitiful is that you couldn't even jack off to it and keep it to yourself. You needed to inform me about it, hoping I'd melt into a simpering little child and go cry to Mommy for the mean things you said to me. That is what made you so "hott" (sic) about this story.
What's the matter? Can't get off on your own anymore? There's professional (both psychological and medical) help for that, you know.
People like you are killing a society for which you claim to mourn with crocodile tears.
No one has the right to tell someone to apologize. Asking, maybe, but otherwise, no. It may come down to being decent, but for what purpose? I ask you plainly, what purpose except being nice, does being decent serve?
You said - "And believe you me, you do have apologies to make." Is that not that same as telling him to apologize?
What he said was childish and unthinking, but it is still his right as a human being to say it.
I didn't "script" my video; I never do. I wasn't even planning on addressing apologies; it was the issue of "rape isn't a big deal, it's overrated" itself, as well as the fact that we have our rights to be "survivors" whether or not he likes it, that I'd intended to address.
I also didn't feel like re-recording this video just because I'd gone off track a bit; it wasn't easy to do the first time. Which is also why the song stayed.
I simply went with my feelings. Nothing more, nothing less.
You're still so stuck on the rights issue, yet we've already agreed that he invoked his rights and I invoked mine in return.... we each used our own rights. Now you're back to, "It is still his right as a human being to say it." We've covered this. LOL
I ask you plainly, what is so horrible about being decent just for the sake of doing so? I'm not talking about ass kissing or even just being "nice" but simply.... decent.
We don't have to get something in return for everything we do.
Nothing is horrible about it. It's just pointless. Being selfless serves no purpose except to make one feel better about oneself. Also, I was just reiterating. Although it served me well again. Rights as humans is everything. Without those, we're no better than slaves.
I've said *decent* countless times. Not selfless, or even "nice" for that matter.
Served yourself well - not this conversation. Reiterating an argument ad nauseum upon which has been agreed is a waste of time.
You've made your point. You don't find anything beneficial for common decency. After all, it IS one's right as a human being to be an ass without regard to others.
That is how you apparently choose to live. I don't.
When you'd said to me in our comment exchange, "Sociopath I am," I thought you were being sarcastic, or at the least facetious.
Now I see on your page that you have APD. I understand your stances a lot more now.
And no, that's not sarcasm. I've got someone VERY close to me in my family, as closely related as a person can be to another, who is a sociopath. So I know the condition quite well.
It's not that I try to be an ass even. I was just having this debate with my neighbor. The way I see things, there is three levels of respect. Dis, no, and respect. I have no respect for people unless it's earned. But I also don't disrespect them without cause. I don't just go up to people and say something rude and shit all over their stuff. I mean, there is no reason to be nice or rude, so I take an apathetic common stance towards people. But it is fair to say I don't care at all.
I didn't clarify. I wasn't saying YOU are an ass. It was directed at the fact that, as I said, it IS one's right to be an ass without regard to others.
Just because I'm (generally) decent to others (hey, I'm no saint!) doesn't mean that I respect people automatically. The dis/no/respect thing applies with me, as well.
I've got a mental illness and used to be VERY cruel to others without provocation; worked hard to moderate my behaviors. I came to care more after that. lol
Uh, OK, I did say that is apparently how you choose to live. That was aimed at your not finding any benefit in being decent, not you being an ass. Just to make myself clear without you picking apart my words. ;p
^^. I had no intention of doing so. I choose to live my life by using the rights both given to me by the Government, as awful as it is, and the rights I think every human should have. But let us stop this bickering. You wont change my view, obviously, and vice versa. I am going to subscribe to you simply because you don't seem to be a complete idiot. Just partially. Hah. Kidding, maybe, don't know. We'll see.
I understand that if you don't want to be treated like shit, don't treat people like shit. But that doesn't mean you have to care. We are still mostly animals, even though we have a conscious. And I hold the ridiculous standard that untill we can overule instinct and emotion with choice of will, we are useless. Doesn't mean I think we should all just commit suicide, or go on killing sprees. We should enjoy our life, and let everyone else do what they want, as long as they don't hurt other people
Do we have a "conscious" (sic) so we can ignore and scorn it? Laughable!
We are still "mostly" animals, eh? Funny, last time I checked, we ARE animals. That doesn't make us exempt from acting like the species we are, with the ability to communicate those pesky emotions we have to others.
"let everyone else do what they want, as long as they don't hurt people"
Yep, and TJ's statements WERE clearly, obscenely hurtful. Some of us take a stand against such things.
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I enjoyed that breakdown. By animal, I meant acting on instinct and emotion. Maybe I should've made that clear. Secondly, I meant physical harm. Once again, my fault for not making that clear. You use your freedoms/rights to go against those of another, eh? Gosh, I love hypocrisy, including my own. - I meant conscience -
I don't scorn it. Nor do I ignore it. But if guilt over saying something is a conscience, I would prefer having none. Lucky for me, I never feel guilty. - Sociopath I am.
You did stress on instinct and emotion. I argued it. Again, we ARE animals. Don't fret, it doesn't make us less by acknowledging it.
Someone says that being affected by something like rape is bullshit (we got a dick in us that we didn't want - big deal), others invoke their rights to argue it, and we're hypocrites? Gotcha, you're absolutely right.
[insert sarcasm]
CONSCIENCE: motivation deriving logically from ethical or moral principles that govern a person's thoughts and actions.
I never said rape wasn't a big deal. Indeed, I said it was a horrible thing. My whole point is that you want him to apologize when all he did was speak. For offending and hurting peoples feelings. My question is yet unasked. If you offended me by being offended, would I have the right to tell you to apologize? In my inept mind, it does make us less to be animals.
The hypocrisy thing stands. You allow yourself to have rights of freedom of speech, and yet you denounce another for using it.
You've come off as taking MY freedom of speech lightly. You came to my page, calling me an arrogant hypocrite for "denouncing" someone's freedom of speech because I had the audacity to argue that person's statements. By invoking MY freedom of speech.
Caring created society, community, civilization, laws against things such as rape and murder.
We've been debating something about which we both feel strongly. And we're both "right" but viewing opposite sides of the coin.
That is why I said I am also a hypocrite. For I am using my right to argue against yours. :P
Now, I would love to debate your second minigraph, but not in comments. Caring did not create society, community, or civilization. Maybe laws, a bit, but not the others.
Simple need to survive did the others.
And when I came here, I didn't mean for it to go like this. I meant simply to make a neutral argument that neither of you are wrong or right. Failed a lot, huh?
Failed pretty much, yes, considering that you didn't come off as neutral in the least. Rather, you came here defending TJ's rights to say what he did, but not once said till now that you also don't agree with what he'd said. People kinda get on the defensive in situations like that. Clarification is a big plus. ;p
RE: apologies, I'll repeat MY question:
ARE you under the too-common belief that saying "I'm sorry" equates saying "I'm wrong" (which cannot be farther from the truth)?
No. But I do believe that saying sorry is wrong. For one thing, if you do something, obviously you did it for a reason. Unless it was an accident. But regretting it later is something that I find to be pointless.
When I first commented, my words were meant to imply that your infringing upon his rights with your own.
And society is and will always be a group of people living together to make life easier. Common courtesy goes hand in hand with that, sure. But it wasn't caring which created it.
The English word "society" emerged in the 15th century, derived from the French société which, in turn, had its origin in the Latin societas, a "friendly association with others," from socius meaning "companion, associate, comrade or business partner."
Implicit in the meaning of society is that its members share some mutual concern or interest, a common objective or common characteristics.
Hmmmm.... absolutely no caring involved in friendly association or companionship, eh? ;p
But caring doesn't partake, as far as I see. I am a useful member of society, I know manners, common courtesy, and respect, but I also know that it is rather pointless unless I want or need something. I also of my rights in this country, and I use those to their fullest. If other people have a problem with that, they can go read the constitution and the bill of rights. If I want to say "fuck these stupid cunts' in a resturaunt, I may be kicked out, but they can't stop me from saying it.
I'm not decent to others because I want or need something. It just feels good or right, one could say. Perhaps it's my upbringing; my mom is a "lady" in the truest sense, so it's instilled in me. Hard to fathom people not being decent to others just for the sake of doing it.
I agree with embracing rights to their fullest, but I don't see any use in doing so just because I can. I see it as more poignant just knowing that I can when I need, I suppose.
Rape is wrong, and awful, and I'm sorry that it happens. Not to any individual in particular, mind. But for you and anyone else to assume that he has to apologize for invoking a right/freedom he is given is arrogant beyond belief. So what, he said something that offended some people. You offend me. Does that mean I can arrogantly say you have to apologize? No. Because it is me who is at fault for being offended.
In the US, and anywhere, feelings are not protected by law. Sorry, but thats it.
My argument was for compassion, empathy, basic human decency. I did not once address laws.
One can not misrepresent another's argument, refute the misrepresentation, then say "thats it" as if the original argument has been refuted and have any credibility in said argument.
You said something about him 'having to apologize.' My point is thus; just because you are hurt and want someone to apologize doesn't mean they have to unless you're ready to do the same. Although you don't offend me, if you did with this video, would I have any right to say, outright, that you have to apologize? Not really. So, as the broken record that I like to be, your feelings are not protected by law. Get over yourself, lady. He said something. You said something. It's all perspective.
- Rape is in no way right, and I don't think it should be taken lightly. But that is me. But what right do I have to dictate the actions of others? None. Even if I could, it doesn't mean I should.
Human decency is crap. We exist. We have the ability to make meanings for life, but that doesn't make them real. Just enjoy what you have until you die. There really is no reason to care about other people. I know that sounds naive to almost everyone. But really, why should we? For the Golden rule?
Did I once "dictate the actions of others," or did I, again as you asserted, say something in response to what someone else said? I invoked MY rights given ME. He has the right to be obscene about rape. I have the right to say that it's deserving of an apology.
Human decency is crap to YOU; there's no reason to care about other people to YOU. We are a very social species; decency and caring is human nature. Else we'd never have developed it.
I said, "You do have apologies to make." I never said he *has* to, and wouldn't say such. As you assert, he said something and I said something.
Unless I'm ready to do the same? For what do I need to apologize? For not liking what he had to say, WITHOUT being obscene about it? I make apologies all the time, for LITTLE things. Again, it's called decency.
Try it some time. If, that is, YOU can get over YOURSELF.
You can cry out "law" all you want. It doesn't apply here, nor hold water.
People who feel the need to control and overpower another individual commit rape. It's anger at oneself projected onto another, in order to make another feel the rage and pain that the rapist is feeling.... one whom the perpetrator sees as weaker than oneself.
REAL men don't feel the need to prove themselves as "strong" and "powerful" by hurting someone smaller/weaker than themselves. REAL men know their own strength and power, without any need to prove it to themselves or others.
Are you saying I am a coward? Oh well. I just want to say that I don't agree with TAA, but I also don't agree with the way you and several others got offended by it. We're all hypocrites in a hypocritical world. Sarcasm. A bit.
Caring about others does nothing, so why do it? Whatever. You and I will both continue to think the way we do.
If you feel that I am trying to prove myself, I apologize. I just like my freedom of speech, and it annoys me when one takes it lightly, as you seemingly have.
UTubeIsForTards, look at who this was in reply to.... it was not you, but someone who said he'd rape me and he's raped before, etc.
If there are several comments on the video page, it is most wise to look at the comments page itself. You'd have seen what I did say to you, rather than what I said to someone else.
dude are you really that much of a dumbass you fuckin idiot??? this is a serious video, and it's not one of those signs where it asks dumb idiots like you to come onto somebody. jeez, get a fuckin' life! altho i'm pretty sure you got one of those from Walmart, and you're just a plastic piece of shit like that place.
gandrewlee2, just look at his channel page's comments; it's apparent that this is "normal" communication for him. Some people think there is a "coolness factor" in speaking this way. Of course, there are others who are simply saying what they truly think, but then again saying things like this in public arenas isn't very smart as it would be construed as "evidence" against them if/when they end up in a court trial for rape, molestation, etc. I'll leave his comment up for public scrutiny. :)
sounds good to me. and sorry for getting so emotional over that. i just know a couple of my friends that have gone through this and i'd just get overprotective over anyone now.
publicenemy1010: If this is how you court a girl, you're going to be one lonely old man. Aside from all the loving attention you'll get while rotting a good chunk of your life in prison, that is.
At first I wasn't sure if you were lip syncing then I realized it was really you singing. I've only heard the Tori Amos song once maybe twice. Your voice kind of sounded like hers.
I heard you mention this video a couple months ago on Stickam and never got to watching it. Not many rape survivors can talk about it the way you did.
Have you seen GrimRendier's video on rape and child molestation?
RBB, I didn't see (nor hear of) GrimRendier's video about rape/molestation till you posted this comment. I then not only saw his, but several responses and "related" vids, and it's refreshing to see that there are more people out there who actually address the topic at hand rather than attacking victims of these autrocites, or better yet making "jokes" of it.
BTW, do I know you on Stickam by another handle, or did we end up talking in passing?
Nope. I think I had gone into that chatroom because inmendham was there and I used to find him interesting at that time. You were all talking about blocking and that's how the topic came up. I have a good memory.
i think taa is in love with controversy more than anythign else.. i dont know if he really agrees with all the things he says sometimes. of all the horrible things that have been done i rape is one of the few i can not even understand hwo one can rationalize as an intelligent being.
I, too, can't understand anyone rationalizing any form of violence, aside from defense but of course that wouldn't be necessary if there weren't such violence abound. There are some things that simply are not "OK" to advocate; I don't care whether it's what one truly believes or something stated for controversy. It's not only hurtful to many, but it also encourages many more to begin stating AND believing the same sorts of things. Lack of compassion is NOT a sign of a healthy mind. :)
You chose the name "TwoSquirtsOfPiss." You profile is empty. It isn't expected that you would be rational, realistic, or even insightful. You speak of honesty and truth, but you can't justify what you say, or even make a good argument (neither can TJ). You advocate disempathy and rejection, with absolutely no authority, justification, or even anecdotal evidence.
For someone who was "never under it" you sure have a lot to say re: MY feelings about MY experiences. What stake do you have in defending TJ's honor for him? He has more disdain for approval seekers like you than he does for people who have the guts to stand up to him.
I didn't ignore anything. I have a lot of things to do, and you are not near the top of my list. Who ISN'T sensitive to peeves? That is quite redundant. One wouldn't have peeves if one isn't sensitive to them.
LOL, TSoP is a super cheese steak, like a died-to-the-bone TAA defender, no sense at all. Nobody real would do that. For instance, TAA says, "Kids are worthless," (look it up dude). TSoP goes, "Hey, it's a man's right to say that." TAA goes, "Girls are stupid." TSoP says, "Hey, I stuck mine in there once." TAA pontificates, "Rape, just get over it." TSoP squirts, "Hey, its a man's right."
Sorry, TSoP, what do you argue for? Justice, honesty, or self-idolitry?
TSoP can read the vid description as to what my forgiveness is "worth" as it describes what it forgiveness means. Apparently TSoP doesn't use dictionaries, thesauruses, or any sources other than the Holy Words of people he admires.
I love how he constantly uses "hyper-sensitivity" and thinks it's a valid argument. Who doesn't have sensitivities?
Yea, TSoP is sending me PMs. Sorry about my first message, it was kind of raunchy:o
TSoP is the usual kind of weak-minded sycophant. They put forth some absurd statement, like "rape counseling is harmful," and then claim its truth entirely on faith. If it were true, there would be evidence, so present it! They can't be bothered to justify their claims, so they use swearing instead.
I'd rather they put their faith in God than in TJ. God is a known quantity, but ignorance is unbounded.
No apologies! That first message wasn't "rauncy" IMNSHO. It was full of examples that were right on; from what has been shown on this page, anyhow. ;)
RE: the "rape counseling is harmful" assertion, again, check out 3w's-fallacyfiles-org/strawman-html .... this is an excellent description of what a "strawman" TRULY is, and you just gave a great example.
BTW, is there a reason you've not used my phone numbers yet? ;p
TSoP, I was being deliberately inflammatory in my previous comment. I'm not claiming you said the exact words I put in quotes.
You parrot TAA-brand misogyny, trying to relabel it, "cold objectivity and honesty at any cost." Where is the *truth* of which your honesty speaks? TJ said that rape counseling is harmful. He is 23 and unemployed, and we're supposed to believe he "honestly" speaks the real "truth" about a profession he has never been a part of? That's not honesty, that's BS.
> And if you honestly beleive that only successful,
> employed and "experienced"
> people have the mental capacity
That's not the case, this is a simple rule of debate. The point is that I suspect TJ is wrong. To counter, you (or TJ) must give evidence for your claim. It isn't "true" until you justify it. There is no "honesty" because there is no "truth." Justify your claim, or admit it is BS.
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So any comment that doesn't adhere to your hyper-sensitivity is a hateful one? Somebody needs to get over themselves alright.
Come on, there must be at least ONE thing you find funny or want call bullshit on that would hurt someone who's been severely affected by it. You'd never point it out of course. Not becuase of your great maturity, but your lack of honsety.
It doesn't matter how much traffic this site gets, TAA is mature DUE to his cold objectivity and honesty at any cost.
"TAA is mature DUE to his cold objectivity and honesty at any cost."
Ah yes, the guy who has the guts and maturity to spout off about that which he has no clue, but won't address someone like me himself. It's much easier for him to let his blind followers do his dirty work for him.
At any cost except to, say, have the courage to face me himself. But that might show that he's not 100% "right" about his claims, and we can't have that now, can we?
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He doesn't face you becuase -- and listen real carefully here -- you're not that special! Nevermind the fact that he probably hasn't seen this. If he were to bother refuting all the dime a dozen breakfast club vids assuring him he's wrong for being politically incorrect and emotionally crippled, he'd be online 24/7.
I'm a blind follower? Dandy. Although I heard those types tend to follow blindly out of emotion and avoid presenting actual arguments. Kinda like the fine folks cheering you on.
Do you realize how WEAK you make him appear by vehemently defending his honor? Quite emotionally, at that.
Interesting how he can face ndclark, who has spoken out against TJ's rape remarks AND hasn't experienced rape, but not the ONE person that addressed him who's experienced it AND was calm about it. Yeah, that's courageous.
The "folks cheering me on" either have been raped, or else have compassion for others. They are not my followers; I don't know the majority of them.
Ah yes, it's clearly uncritical thinking to imagine being in the place of another who has experienced what you have not, rather than spouting off at those who can and do.
LMAO @ my observing his facing ndclark is grasping at straws! Oh, thank you for the laugh!
You have been quite emotional in your comments. Argue that all you wish, but it's crystal clear. No matter how much "logic" one uses, there'd be no arguments at ALL if there were no emotional investment in the arguing. Period.
No, you can't change my perspective, try as you might. No one can change what I've experienced, including myself. Moving on with life doesn't erase the past; it can only help to ease the pain.
I hate that anyone in the world has to suffer, in ALL forms and from ALL causes.
I refuse to bury my head in the sand and pretend suffering doesn't exist just so I won't feel compassion and relate to others.
Empathy is part of human evolution. Yes, an emotion, go figure!
if a rapist went to prison and wound up being somebody's bitch, is that justice?
nosirrom5 1 year ago
Im glad to see you as an atheist do something like this. Many other stories like yours all too often seem to require the necessity of a "come to Jesus" element in the process. I definitely commend you. Btw, im a little confused about the situation, is your rapist actually defending or excusing his actions? that seems so absurd even for the most uncompassionate of people.
donttrustthebible 2 years ago
This was in response to another YT user's rants about how rape is no big deal, in a nutshell. It appears that he's removed the videos to which I was replying.
I've never had faith, even as a child. Crises and trauma never changed my mind; rather, they've reinforced in me how strong one's inner power can be.
Katatawnic 2 years ago
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ProfRaphaello 2 years ago
Go pimp your "cures" elsewhere. This isn't a "sponsored" video.
Katatawnic 2 years ago
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ProfRaphaello 2 years ago
pathetic.. its depressing, and i really hope that the men who made such screwed up remarks about rape survivors are not actually serious about there feelins towards them.. its really depressing that there are so many men who feel this way, i came on here to actually look for this kinda answers, i was just hoping that it was not true. when i was in video gallery some guys in refference to "last house on the left" about how women who are raped are dirty.
countrygirly34555 2 years ago 2
and they wouldnt want to have a relationship with a "raped and used person".. and it makes me mad and really sad cause i was raped before. im not looking for pitty, not trying to change anyones view on the issue or anything that changes anyones beliefe. but men have feelings here, yea you was in an argument with -katatawnic- but take into consederation that there are other woman who come on here that was hurt before by rape, that read this too. and having to read such rude comments is like a big
countrygirly34555 2 years ago 2
in the face. yall are asses i am sorry reguardless of if you meant what you said or not. think people its ignorant,
countrygirly34555 2 years ago
Sadly, Countrygirly, most who speak that way do mean what they say. "Ignorant" is a only a beginning in describing this problem. People seem to think that "freedom of speech" means it's perfectly OK to say whatever they want to others, no matter how much it hurts and demeans them. I'm not someone on a "PC kick" but there's still respect of others to consider, and nowadays respect of others is respected less and less. Just about everyone expects to receive it, but few give it. :(
Katatawnic 2 years ago
beyond2k8: "Fuck all rape victims...I never had pity for them...they all ask for it and never wind up telling anyone cause they enjoy it deep down...go ahead give me thumbs down as long as I conveyed my message"
And what a profound message it was.
I now see the light, all thanks to you.
Katatawnic 2 years ago
you should hint to name
toddhawley 3 years ago
toddhawley: "you should hint to name"
Absolutely not. That was reserved for law enforcement, which was enforced.
I didn't post this to air dirty laundry; only to address an issue. :)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Life to you! : )
rep5281 3 years ago
you are a fricken beautiful soul kat!!!
leiapeison 3 years ago
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TiradeFaction 3 years ago
1) Rape is wrong etc.
2) The thing about jokes is that they are not serious.
3) Making jokes about things such as rape require you to make sure nobody around will get offended, otherwise you could get in trouble.
4) However, on the internet, the same does not apply. There is no sense in getting offended over one person half the way around the world's views. Youtube is not serious business. The internet is not serious business. Otherwise you will be offended a lot and be once again a victim.
aika092 3 years ago
1) Clearly. :)
2) That doesn't make all jokes funny.
3) He wasn't making jokes. He's asserted more than once that the term "rape survivor" offends HIM. I have no sympathy for that.
4a) We are real people communicating with other real people. Distance & machines don't change this. When you're disabled and your only form of socializing is via the 'net, perhaps your view on "it's 'just' the Internet" will change, as mine did.
4b) Rebutting a claim does not a victim make. It can be empowering.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
beautifuk<3 i just made a video about being raped
myshel988 3 years ago 6
And I just watched it. :)
People don't understand that it takes so much courage to speak out, and I'm proud of you for showing your strength!
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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take it off
ImStillBlind 3 years ago
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if you mute the sound through the singing its almost a turn on to watch O_O
ImStillBlind 3 years ago
What a funny guy!
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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im not trying to be funny
ImStillBlind 3 years ago
Then you're just trying to be an ass, and I don't have time for "banter" such as this. Good day.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
havent you commited suicide yet? lol
ImStillBlind 2 years ago
Yes, as a matter of fact, I have.
Katatawnic 2 years ago
You look like maddy mccans mum
alexbennaz 3 years ago
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did your rapist use lube?, i mean it must snap yor banjo string
alexbennaz 3 years ago
What a profound, thought-provoking question.
Amazing it's never been asked before.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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why post a video about this subject? so you can personally answer every silly insult you get?
ImStillBlind 3 years ago
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Why watch a video about this subject?
So you can ask loaded questions?
Katatawnic 3 years ago
more rhetorical then loaded
ImStillBlind 3 years ago
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You have not been raped, you are just seeking attention. LIAR
Zeptorr 3 years ago
OK, if that's what you say, then it must be true.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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shut the fuck up you cunt!!
rape is funny!!
get a dick in you!!!!!
andyjugglar 3 years ago
Get a dick in yourself. You appear to need it more than I.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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shut up you cracked up slut.
get a life. i hope you get raped!!!
you suck at singing btw.
andyjugglar 3 years ago
Nope.
Done that. Been there.
Thank you.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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Wow sexy mama.
Jade0730 3 years ago
Four-day-old account named "DaddyRapist" spewing bullshit like this would indicate to anyone with an IQ higher than that of a carrot that it's a shill account designed solely to troll for emotional reactions.
This "stupid cunt" was raped - you'd know this if you actually *watched* the entire video.
If one considers another's behavior that is rational and yet firm while *not* going into dramatic antics to be "stupid" then I guess you pegged me.
You fail at trolling. You need to work harder.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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all women secretly fantasize and want to be raped
FlickBooger 3 years ago
tag
you
are
it
SnuffyTheTrollSlayer 3 years ago 5
yup
andyjugglar 3 years ago
Rape is not something to be taken lightly, its not a joke, not funny in any shape or form. No one can just "move on" or "get over it" its takes a lot of time to move on. It took me a year just to be able to admit that it happend to me. This "kid" had no idea what he was getting himself into and talking about, neither does anyone else who makes light of it.
purebloodjiselle 3 years ago 13
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Good way to make it an untouchable, sacred non-issue.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
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Is that troll thing like your go to statement? You were raped over 5 months ago. Geez just walk it off. It's only sex. Sheesh.
whisker55 3 years ago
tag
you
are
it
SnuffyTheTrollSlayer 3 years ago 4
Also, if you look up 'your physiology' on google you will see that even certified doctors are using the word physiology as I have.
Look at the use of 'your physiology' in the sentences.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
Perhaps we won't agree with each other or understand each other or understand how we understand each other however we do - OH WELL.
A video (in its entirety) that may be of interest to you for another point of view can be looked up on YouTube as 'GG Allin on Springer'.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
phys·i·ol·o·gy (fz-l-j)
n.
1. The biological study of the functions of living organisms and their parts.
2. ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF A LIVING ORGANISM OR ANY OF ITS PARTS.
Also, I don't care if I'm coming off as intelligent or stupid, I just want to come off as understood.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
You can copy/paste definitions till the cows come home, and your use of the word in that comment will still be improper. Just accept it.
I do understand what you're attempting to convey. I simply don't agree with your views and you cannot change that.
Give up already, you're a lost cause in my book. I'm only responding now out of sheer boredom due to insomnia (although the TV has become much more entertaining, which is saying quite a lot).... not because what you have to say concerns me.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Well, thanks for giving me the time of day, so to speak, regardless.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
Yes, that's true, men have holes that can be inserted into to and they share those in common with women.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
Also, if you feel any sense of violation, then obviously something has been made to feel its vulnerability to violation. In regards to feeling you are an animal, the more that happens to your physiology via that which it hasn't experienced - the more opened it has become to what it is functionally/experientially - and each animal is a physiology.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
"obviously something has been made to feel its vulnerability to violation"
Yes, it's called humanity.
"the more that happens to your physiology via that which it hasn't experienced" (blah blah blah)
Phisiology is the study of the mechanical, physical, and biochemical functions of living organisms. Study of, not a living entity as you referred to myself and each animal.
You're trying so hard to come off as intelligent and having a vast vocabulary that your sentences make no sense whatsoever.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
You think I'm not aware of this? My video was in direct response to someone whose views are quite different than mine.
Your views apply to relatively (properly used this time) very few.
I can guarantee you that no one who has been brutally raped has the views you've demonstrated on this page.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
I doubt you know every single person who has been brutally raped.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
Ah, I get it now. Therefore, there MUST be some people who have been brutally raped whose views are that it's OK, it's just nature, and, after all, "females do have a hole in them made for insertion with a penis and men can put it in there even when females don't want it."
Gotcha. You're completely correct, and I'm completely off base. I recant my statements now. Thank you for your vast knowledge and education.
BTW, men also have holes that can be inserted. Careful, it can happen to anyone.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
*I meant your statements are not applicable across the board, as in, your views do not apply to everyone.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
Katatawnic does do a good cover of that Tori Amos song though. Impressive.
whisker55 3 years ago 2
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(This must mean that females do have a hole in them made for insertion with a penis and men can put it in there even when females don't want it)<------------Correct. What is the problem?
whisker55 3 years ago
whisker55, the problem (aside from the obvious in your comment that I therefore won't bother acknowledging) is that you're a lonely little troll begging for attention, positive or negative so long as it is attention.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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OH SHIT! This must mean that females do have a hole in them made for insertion with a penis and men can put it in there even when females don't want it just like other mammals do! HOLY SHIT! That's fucked up! DAMN. WHAT A VIOLATION OF PRIMAL NATURE!!! I mean, no wait, I'm incorrect... WHAT A VIOLATION OF THE LAW!!! I mean, wait, that's only if the man is caught AND found guilty... WHAT A VIOLATION OF... HER HUMANITY! DAMN. SHE KNOWS NOW SHE'S AN ANIMAL AND NOT INVULNERABLE! SHIT! FUCKED UP!
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
VIOLENTANTAGONIST.... what a fitting handle. You think you're funny, but you say it yourself on your page: you are stupid.
FYI: It IS a violation of one's humanity.
FYI: Guilty verdict or not, it IS against the law.
FYI: I've known I'm an animal since I was a child, not to mention vulnerable.
FYI: most mammals do NOT rape. Male dogs, for just one example, can NOT mount the female until SHE is ready to breed. SHE has the control.
Go back under your bridge until you can find a personality.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
People perceive life many different ways.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
No shit. Tell me something profound, Einstein.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Well, then your statements aren't applicable across the board if you understand that.
'Right' and 'Wrong' are relative to the individual.
VIOLENTANTAGONIST 3 years ago
Therefore, my statements ARE applicable across the board according to the "profound statement" you personally gave me: I am an individual giving my subjective (the applicable word you were seeking) opinion. From experience, at that.
Further, I don't seek out others' "vulnerabilities" and attempt to tear down those individuals. Why such need for attention, dear?
If you think you've hurt me, you've got another think coming. Sorry, you'll have to try elsewhere.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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What I love about rape is the woman can't control their wetness or whether or not they orgasm during the assult in some South American countries women consider rape a compliment. To have a man so desire you he must take you by force is a compliment honestly.
whisker55 3 years ago
You're severely misinformed, IF not seeking an emotional reaction for shits and giggles.
Lubrication, erections, and orgasms are purely mechanical, physiological responses. Granted, sexual arousal is amplified by one's state of mind, which is NOT augmented by *unwilling* assault.
Cite your claim RE: women in "some South American countries" considering rape a compliment.
To be so desired that I am sensually seduced with mutual desire is a compliment.... not being forced upon against my will.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
He's doing it to be a smart ass. Don't listen to him.
TuclucLicada 3 years ago 7
I'm fully aware of this, but I'm done following the advice I previously gave to others: "Don't feed the trolls." Doesn't matter if you feed or starve them, they still do all they can to hurt/anger others. It is NOT "just the Internet" as so many say.... we are real people communicating via text, audio, video, etc.; just because there are keyboards and monitors instead of face-to-face conversation doesn't change the reality of the communication.
"Smart ass" is quite an understatement, though.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
well i did get raped, by my best friend leonardo. i made the best of it, i just closed my eyes and imagined it was ted bundy with a popsicle.
shondrikajohnson 3 years ago
Congratulations, you've proven yourself beyond all reasonable doubt to be a troll. Bye.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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i never said you had one in you, i said you NEED one
shondrikajohnson 3 years ago
If I NEEDED one to "put in me" then I wouldn't HAVE "access to" one with which to do so, would I? More semantics, or are you finished making a fool of yourself?
Further, I shut up when I choose. Don't like it? Don't watch my videos.
(I notice you didn't clarify whether or not you've actually been raped, so your saying "who ever said i haven't been raped?" comes off more than before as the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.... put simply for your feeble mind, a lie; at the least an implied one.)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
that was hella gay
craziibitchxox 3 years ago
Oh, and how does "gay" apply to this?
Try harder, your comment was a bit "gay" dontcha think?
(rolls eyes)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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The video was too shitty for me to watch moar then 10% of it without wanted to throwup. Too many dirty and unclean females for me to handle.
DubFrontSidaH 3 years ago
YES!!!
andyjugglar 3 years ago
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HAhahah all you raped women are so pathetic, and the majority of you are liars.
DubFrontSidaH 3 years ago
Resorting to pulling insults out of your ass, I see. You could have simply admitted that you weren't able to intellectually refute my arguments. But hey, it's OK, I know you've got a long way to go and just might have a shred of hope for intelligence in your future.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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hahahahahahhahah that bitch just needs to put a cock in that pussy, that will shut her up.
shondrikajohnson 3 years ago
(1) Learn some goddamn respect before making sissy little remarks behind the safety of your keyboard you fucking cunt. I'd suggest you need a cock forcefully shoved up your ass and see how you like it, but I'm bigger than that.
(2) These duragatory comments "making fun of" the CRIME of rape are old. Rape is NOT funny. Imagine YOURSELF being RAPED.
(Watch "Pulp Fiction" before laughing again.)
(3) I didn't once whine. I spoke with dignity about NOT being a lifelong victim.
Imbecile.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
my sister was raped by a guy who showed no remorse, so i broke his legs with a baseball bat and left him in a parking lot to suffer the way he left my baby sister. he didnt know who i was but he seemed to know what it was for right bout the time the bat made contact [he was screaming im sorry over and over but it fell on deaf ears]i just kept swinging.men in this country seem to have forgotten what it means to be a man. RESPECT WOMEN! or one day you might see me at the wrong end of a bat
comngetsome 3 years ago 7
comngetsome, my husband and I both believe that vigilantism should be legalized again. Actually, it never should have been made illegal. Yeah, I know, innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz, but let's face it.... our judicial system may be "one of the best" (insofar as we know from personal experience), but it's far from "just" all the same.
Good on you for breaking his legs! I'd have done a little impromptu surgery while I was at it. ;)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
who ever said i haven't been raped?
shondrikajohnson 3 years ago
Who ever said that I don't get a "cock in my pussy" as you phrased it with such class?
I didn't claim you haven't nor have been raped. Neither did you. I doubt you were, as your suggestion for me to get laid and shut up screamed otherwise. Considering the lovely comment you left, you certainly implied that you've NO clue as to what it's like to be raped. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah, I got pissed off and didn't contain myself as I *generally* do around here. Idiocy and cruelty can do that.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
why do you answer to obvious idiocy?
artestra 3 years ago
Ah, only when the cat nip wears off and I get bored. LOL
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Well. There's nothing wrong with your video or singing. The only thing I would say is you should try to remember that sometimes, here on youtube, peoples opinions can seem more impotant than they actually are in the wider scheme of things... shake 'em off
artestra 3 years ago
Thank you. :)
artestra: "sometimes, here on youtube, peoples opinions can seem more impotant than they actually are in the wider scheme of things... shake 'em off"
I know, and I do. ;p
My decision to respond in the first place was soley because some people's opinions do, in fact, seem more important than they actually are. I simply felt it was time he heard it from a woman who'd been through it; whether he cared wasn't important to me.
Addressing some things can be therapeutic, as well. ;)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
I'm glad you would get something out of debating this topic on youtube other than annoyed :)
I wonder what attitude some people would have if their mother/daughter/sister/girlfriend went through something like this?
Would they post bullsh*t comments. Would they be so cavalier and insensitive about all this... hmmm
artestra 3 years ago 2
artestra:
"I wonder what attitude some people would have if their mother/daughter/sister/girlfriend went through something like this?
Would they post bullsh*t comments. Would they be so cavalier and insensitive about all this..."
Well, according to the consensus in the comments on this page, "they" would. I don't buy it, but that's the claim all the same. Who would back down and admit one might be "wrong" if one doesn't have to, when one makes remarks such as those all over this page? :)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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Maybe if you didn't loose your virginity from rape you would be a happier person. I can understand why you hate the world because you are a dirty slutbag who put herself in a position to be raped, but that doesn't mean you can bring everyone else down with you (you can't because you are the lowest of the low)
DubFrontSidaH 3 years ago
Does anyone else jack off to rape vidoes on a daily basis?
This story made me pretty hott. Rape makes me feel better about a dying society.
DubFrontSidaH 3 years ago
What's so pitiful is that you couldn't even jack off to it and keep it to yourself. You needed to inform me about it, hoping I'd melt into a simpering little child and go cry to Mommy for the mean things you said to me. That is what made you so "hott" (sic) about this story.
What's the matter? Can't get off on your own anymore? There's professional (both psychological and medical) help for that, you know.
People like you are killing a society for which you claim to mourn with crocodile tears.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
No one has the right to tell someone to apologize. Asking, maybe, but otherwise, no. It may come down to being decent, but for what purpose? I ask you plainly, what purpose except being nice, does being decent serve?
You said - "And believe you me, you do have apologies to make." Is that not that same as telling him to apologize?
What he said was childish and unthinking, but it is still his right as a human being to say it.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
I didn't "script" my video; I never do. I wasn't even planning on addressing apologies; it was the issue of "rape isn't a big deal, it's overrated" itself, as well as the fact that we have our rights to be "survivors" whether or not he likes it, that I'd intended to address.
I also didn't feel like re-recording this video just because I'd gone off track a bit; it wasn't easy to do the first time. Which is also why the song stayed.
I simply went with my feelings. Nothing more, nothing less.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
P.S.
You're still so stuck on the rights issue, yet we've already agreed that he invoked his rights and I invoked mine in return.... we each used our own rights. Now you're back to, "It is still his right as a human being to say it." We've covered this. LOL
I ask you plainly, what is so horrible about being decent just for the sake of doing so? I'm not talking about ass kissing or even just being "nice" but simply.... decent.
We don't have to get something in return for everything we do.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Nothing is horrible about it. It's just pointless. Being selfless serves no purpose except to make one feel better about oneself. Also, I was just reiterating. Although it served me well again. Rights as humans is everything. Without those, we're no better than slaves.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
I've said *decent* countless times. Not selfless, or even "nice" for that matter.
Served yourself well - not this conversation. Reiterating an argument ad nauseum upon which has been agreed is a waste of time.
You've made your point. You don't find anything beneficial for common decency. After all, it IS one's right as a human being to be an ass without regard to others.
That is how you apparently choose to live. I don't.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
When you'd said to me in our comment exchange, "Sociopath I am," I thought you were being sarcastic, or at the least facetious.
Now I see on your page that you have APD. I understand your stances a lot more now.
And no, that's not sarcasm. I've got someone VERY close to me in my family, as closely related as a person can be to another, who is a sociopath. So I know the condition quite well.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
It's not that I try to be an ass even. I was just having this debate with my neighbor. The way I see things, there is three levels of respect. Dis, no, and respect. I have no respect for people unless it's earned. But I also don't disrespect them without cause. I don't just go up to people and say something rude and shit all over their stuff. I mean, there is no reason to be nice or rude, so I take an apathetic common stance towards people. But it is fair to say I don't care at all.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
I didn't clarify. I wasn't saying YOU are an ass. It was directed at the fact that, as I said, it IS one's right to be an ass without regard to others.
Just because I'm (generally) decent to others (hey, I'm no saint!) doesn't mean that I respect people automatically. The dis/no/respect thing applies with me, as well.
I've got a mental illness and used to be VERY cruel to others without provocation; worked hard to moderate my behaviors. I came to care more after that. lol
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Uh, OK, I did say that is apparently how you choose to live. That was aimed at your not finding any benefit in being decent, not you being an ass. Just to make myself clear without you picking apart my words. ;p
Katatawnic 3 years ago
^^. I had no intention of doing so. I choose to live my life by using the rights both given to me by the Government, as awful as it is, and the rights I think every human should have. But let us stop this bickering. You wont change my view, obviously, and vice versa. I am going to subscribe to you simply because you don't seem to be a complete idiot. Just partially. Hah. Kidding, maybe, don't know. We'll see.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
I understand that if you don't want to be treated like shit, don't treat people like shit. But that doesn't mean you have to care. We are still mostly animals, even though we have a conscious. And I hold the ridiculous standard that untill we can overule instinct and emotion with choice of will, we are useless. Doesn't mean I think we should all just commit suicide, or go on killing sprees. We should enjoy our life, and let everyone else do what they want, as long as they don't hurt other people
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
Do we have a "conscious" (sic) so we can ignore and scorn it? Laughable!
We are still "mostly" animals, eh? Funny, last time I checked, we ARE animals. That doesn't make us exempt from acting like the species we are, with the ability to communicate those pesky emotions we have to others.
"let everyone else do what they want, as long as they don't hurt people"
Yep, and TJ's statements WERE clearly, obscenely hurtful. Some of us take a stand against such things.
Deal with it.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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I enjoyed that breakdown. By animal, I meant acting on instinct and emotion. Maybe I should've made that clear. Secondly, I meant physical harm. Once again, my fault for not making that clear. You use your freedoms/rights to go against those of another, eh? Gosh, I love hypocrisy, including my own. - I meant conscience -
I don't scorn it. Nor do I ignore it. But if guilt over saying something is a conscience, I would prefer having none. Lucky for me, I never feel guilty. - Sociopath I am.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
You did stress on instinct and emotion. I argued it. Again, we ARE animals. Don't fret, it doesn't make us less by acknowledging it.
Someone says that being affected by something like rape is bullshit (we got a dick in us that we didn't want - big deal), others invoke their rights to argue it, and we're hypocrites? Gotcha, you're absolutely right.
[insert sarcasm]
CONSCIENCE: motivation deriving logically from ethical or moral principles that govern a person's thoughts and actions.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
I never said rape wasn't a big deal. Indeed, I said it was a horrible thing. My whole point is that you want him to apologize when all he did was speak. For offending and hurting peoples feelings. My question is yet unasked. If you offended me by being offended, would I have the right to tell you to apologize? In my inept mind, it does make us less to be animals.
The hypocrisy thing stands. You allow yourself to have rights of freedom of speech, and yet you denounce another for using it.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
I didn't claim that - I used TJ's words, as all of this has been about HOW he invoked his freedom of speech.
Just because one is free to state one's opinion doesn't mean that an apology isn't in order.
Yes, you'd have the right to ask for an apology, as we all do. I didn't intentionally ignore that question; I thought it was rhetorical.
I'm guessing you're under the common belief that saying "I'm sorry" equates saying "I'm wrong" which cannot be farther from the truth.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
You may believe it makes us "less" to be animals, but we are animals all the same. It is an irrefutable fact, likable or not.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
You've come off as taking MY freedom of speech lightly. You came to my page, calling me an arrogant hypocrite for "denouncing" someone's freedom of speech because I had the audacity to argue that person's statements. By invoking MY freedom of speech.
Caring created society, community, civilization, laws against things such as rape and murder.
We've been debating something about which we both feel strongly. And we're both "right" but viewing opposite sides of the coin.
Chill, man! LOL
Katatawnic 3 years ago
That is why I said I am also a hypocrite. For I am using my right to argue against yours. :P
Now, I would love to debate your second minigraph, but not in comments. Caring did not create society, community, or civilization. Maybe laws, a bit, but not the others.
Simple need to survive did the others.
And when I came here, I didn't mean for it to go like this. I meant simply to make a neutral argument that neither of you are wrong or right. Failed a lot, huh?
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
Failed pretty much, yes, considering that you didn't come off as neutral in the least. Rather, you came here defending TJ's rights to say what he did, but not once said till now that you also don't agree with what he'd said. People kinda get on the defensive in situations like that. Clarification is a big plus. ;p
RE: apologies, I'll repeat MY question:
ARE you under the too-common belief that saying "I'm sorry" equates saying "I'm wrong" (which cannot be farther from the truth)?
Katatawnic 3 years ago
No. But I do believe that saying sorry is wrong. For one thing, if you do something, obviously you did it for a reason. Unless it was an accident. But regretting it later is something that I find to be pointless.
When I first commented, my words were meant to imply that your infringing upon his rights with your own.
And society is and will always be a group of people living together to make life easier. Common courtesy goes hand in hand with that, sure. But it wasn't caring which created it.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
The English word "society" emerged in the 15th century, derived from the French société which, in turn, had its origin in the Latin societas, a "friendly association with others," from socius meaning "companion, associate, comrade or business partner."
Implicit in the meaning of society is that its members share some mutual concern or interest, a common objective or common characteristics.
Hmmmm.... absolutely no caring involved in friendly association or companionship, eh? ;p
Katatawnic 3 years ago
But caring doesn't partake, as far as I see. I am a useful member of society, I know manners, common courtesy, and respect, but I also know that it is rather pointless unless I want or need something. I also of my rights in this country, and I use those to their fullest. If other people have a problem with that, they can go read the constitution and the bill of rights. If I want to say "fuck these stupid cunts' in a resturaunt, I may be kicked out, but they can't stop me from saying it.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
I'm not decent to others because I want or need something. It just feels good or right, one could say. Perhaps it's my upbringing; my mom is a "lady" in the truest sense, so it's instilled in me. Hard to fathom people not being decent to others just for the sake of doing it.
I agree with embracing rights to their fullest, but I don't see any use in doing so just because I can. I see it as more poignant just knowing that I can when I need, I suppose.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Rape is wrong, and awful, and I'm sorry that it happens. Not to any individual in particular, mind. But for you and anyone else to assume that he has to apologize for invoking a right/freedom he is given is arrogant beyond belief. So what, he said something that offended some people. You offend me. Does that mean I can arrogantly say you have to apologize? No. Because it is me who is at fault for being offended.
In the US, and anywhere, feelings are not protected by law. Sorry, but thats it.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
No, that's not it.
My argument was for compassion, empathy, basic human decency. I did not once address laws.
One can not misrepresent another's argument, refute the misrepresentation, then say "thats it" as if the original argument has been refuted and have any credibility in said argument.
Straw man much?
Katatawnic 3 years ago
You said something about him 'having to apologize.' My point is thus; just because you are hurt and want someone to apologize doesn't mean they have to unless you're ready to do the same. Although you don't offend me, if you did with this video, would I have any right to say, outright, that you have to apologize? Not really. So, as the broken record that I like to be, your feelings are not protected by law. Get over yourself, lady. He said something. You said something. It's all perspective.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
- Rape is in no way right, and I don't think it should be taken lightly. But that is me. But what right do I have to dictate the actions of others? None. Even if I could, it doesn't mean I should.
Human decency is crap. We exist. We have the ability to make meanings for life, but that doesn't make them real. Just enjoy what you have until you die. There really is no reason to care about other people. I know that sounds naive to almost everyone. But really, why should we? For the Golden rule?
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
Did I once "dictate the actions of others," or did I, again as you asserted, say something in response to what someone else said? I invoked MY rights given ME. He has the right to be obscene about rape. I have the right to say that it's deserving of an apology.
Human decency is crap to YOU; there's no reason to care about other people to YOU. We are a very social species; decency and caring is human nature. Else we'd never have developed it.
HUMANS developed the Golden Rule.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
I said, "You do have apologies to make." I never said he *has* to, and wouldn't say such. As you assert, he said something and I said something.
Unless I'm ready to do the same? For what do I need to apologize? For not liking what he had to say, WITHOUT being obscene about it? I make apologies all the time, for LITTLE things. Again, it's called decency.
Try it some time. If, that is, YOU can get over YOURSELF.
You can cry out "law" all you want. It doesn't apply here, nor hold water.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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oh fuck yea id so fucking rape her ive raped b4 n she is the type of whor i look for... shes not much of a singer tho
ryandoityee69 3 years ago
People who feel the need to control and overpower another individual commit rape. It's anger at oneself projected onto another, in order to make another feel the rage and pain that the rapist is feeling.... one whom the perpetrator sees as weaker than oneself.
REAL men don't feel the need to prove themselves as "strong" and "powerful" by hurting someone smaller/weaker than themselves. REAL men know their own strength and power, without any need to prove it to themselves or others.
Coward.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Are you saying I am a coward? Oh well. I just want to say that I don't agree with TAA, but I also don't agree with the way you and several others got offended by it. We're all hypocrites in a hypocritical world. Sarcasm. A bit.
Caring about others does nothing, so why do it? Whatever. You and I will both continue to think the way we do.
If you feel that I am trying to prove myself, I apologize. I just like my freedom of speech, and it annoys me when one takes it lightly, as you seemingly have.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
UTubeIsForTards, look at who this was in reply to.... it was not you, but someone who said he'd rape me and he's raped before, etc.
If there are several comments on the video page, it is most wise to look at the comments page itself. You'd have seen what I did say to you, rather than what I said to someone else.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Sorry!! I am in the middle of cooking dinner, so I didn't spend the time to do that.
UTubeIsForTards 3 years ago
that or i jusst g3t A thRiLL outA it
ryandoityee69 3 years ago
ryandoitee69, if you really think that others don't see through your facade of the Bad Ass Gangsta, you're sorely mistaken.
You'd "jusst g3t A thRiLL outA it" BECAUSE you'd feel that power and control that you so crave.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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I'd rape you
publicenemy1010 3 years ago
dude are you really that much of a dumbass you fuckin idiot??? this is a serious video, and it's not one of those signs where it asks dumb idiots like you to come onto somebody. jeez, get a fuckin' life! altho i'm pretty sure you got one of those from Walmart, and you're just a plastic piece of shit like that place.
gandrewlee2 3 years ago 5
gandrewlee2, just look at his channel page's comments; it's apparent that this is "normal" communication for him. Some people think there is a "coolness factor" in speaking this way. Of course, there are others who are simply saying what they truly think, but then again saying things like this in public arenas isn't very smart as it would be construed as "evidence" against them if/when they end up in a court trial for rape, molestation, etc. I'll leave his comment up for public scrutiny. :)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
sounds good to me. and sorry for getting so emotional over that. i just know a couple of my friends that have gone through this and i'd just get overprotective over anyone now.
gandrewlee2 3 years ago 6
gandrewlee2, no apologies for caring about others is necessary. EVER. :)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
well, at least you now know there's at least one person out in the world that cares... :D
gandrewlee2 3 years ago 4
publicenemy1010: If this is how you court a girl, you're going to be one lonely old man. Aside from all the loving attention you'll get while rotting a good chunk of your life in prison, that is.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
At first I wasn't sure if you were lip syncing then I realized it was really you singing. I've only heard the Tori Amos song once maybe twice. Your voice kind of sounded like hers.
I heard you mention this video a couple months ago on Stickam and never got to watching it. Not many rape survivors can talk about it the way you did.
Have you seen GrimRendier's video on rape and child molestation?
RobertBruceBanner 3 years ago 3
RBB, I didn't see (nor hear of) GrimRendier's video about rape/molestation till you posted this comment. I then not only saw his, but several responses and "related" vids, and it's refreshing to see that there are more people out there who actually address the topic at hand rather than attacking victims of these autrocites, or better yet making "jokes" of it.
BTW, do I know you on Stickam by another handle, or did we end up talking in passing?
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Nope. I think I had gone into that chatroom because inmendham was there and I used to find him interesting at that time. You were all talking about blocking and that's how the topic came up. I have a good memory.
Glad you enjoyed the video I mentioned.
RobertBruceBanner 3 years ago
i think taa is in love with controversy more than anythign else.. i dont know if he really agrees with all the things he says sometimes. of all the horrible things that have been done i rape is one of the few i can not even understand hwo one can rationalize as an intelligent being.
x71isnwor 3 years ago 5
I, too, can't understand anyone rationalizing any form of violence, aside from defense but of course that wouldn't be necessary if there weren't such violence abound. There are some things that simply are not "OK" to advocate; I don't care whether it's what one truly believes or something stated for controversy. It's not only hurtful to many, but it also encourages many more to begin stating AND believing the same sorts of things. Lack of compassion is NOT a sign of a healthy mind. :)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
You chose the name "TwoSquirtsOfPiss." You profile is empty. It isn't expected that you would be rational, realistic, or even insightful. You speak of honesty and truth, but you can't justify what you say, or even make a good argument (neither can TJ). You advocate disempathy and rejection, with absolutely no authority, justification, or even anecdotal evidence.
exsequitur 3 years ago 9
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You don't honestly believe he's inditidatef of debating you, do you? That would just reach new levels of delusion and self-importance for you.
I also noticed you ignored my question about you particular hyper-sensitivity pet peeves. Very telling.
And either ignore my comments or let them through. You're making it appear as if you're having a debate with an imaginary e-rival.
"Get over it."
I was never under it.
TwoSquirtsOfPiss 3 years ago
For someone who was "never under it" you sure have a lot to say re: MY feelings about MY experiences. What stake do you have in defending TJ's honor for him? He has more disdain for approval seekers like you than he does for people who have the guts to stand up to him.
I didn't ignore anything. I have a lot of things to do, and you are not near the top of my list. Who ISN'T sensitive to peeves? That is quite redundant. One wouldn't have peeves if one isn't sensitive to them.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
LOL, TSoP is a super cheese steak, like a died-to-the-bone TAA defender, no sense at all. Nobody real would do that. For instance, TAA says, "Kids are worthless," (look it up dude). TSoP goes, "Hey, it's a man's right to say that." TAA goes, "Girls are stupid." TSoP says, "Hey, I stuck mine in there once." TAA pontificates, "Rape, just get over it." TSoP squirts, "Hey, its a man's right."
Sorry, TSoP, what do you argue for? Justice, honesty, or self-idolitry?
exsequitur 3 years ago 6
(This is a response from TSoP):
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In this case, I was arguing over:
1. Your friend's confusion in regards to what is immature. 2. How damn near everyone can be considered immature by the standards applied in her vid.
3. What her forgiveness is worth (if it was about bettering herself only, why'd she feel the need to make a public vid?).
4. How it's asinine to expect everyone to walk on eggshells around one's hyper-sensitivity.
Piss-out.
exsequitur 3 years ago
What response? Via PM?
TSoP can read the vid description as to what my forgiveness is "worth" as it describes what it forgiveness means. Apparently TSoP doesn't use dictionaries, thesauruses, or any sources other than the Holy Words of people he admires.
I love how he constantly uses "hyper-sensitivity" and thinks it's a valid argument. Who doesn't have sensitivities?
Strawman? (fallacyfiles org /strawman html)
Confusion RE: immaturity?
Walking on eggshells?
Exaggeration much? ;)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Yea, TSoP is sending me PMs. Sorry about my first message, it was kind of raunchy:o
TSoP is the usual kind of weak-minded sycophant. They put forth some absurd statement, like "rape counseling is harmful," and then claim its truth entirely on faith. If it were true, there would be evidence, so present it! They can't be bothered to justify their claims, so they use swearing instead.
I'd rather they put their faith in God than in TJ. God is a known quantity, but ignorance is unbounded.
exsequitur 3 years ago 4
No apologies! That first message wasn't "rauncy" IMNSHO. It was full of examples that were right on; from what has been shown on this page, anyhow. ;)
RE: the "rape counseling is harmful" assertion, again, check out 3w's-fallacyfiles-org/strawman-html .... this is an excellent description of what a "strawman" TRULY is, and you just gave a great example.
BTW, is there a reason you've not used my phone numbers yet? ;p
Katatawnic 3 years ago
Numbers!
exsequitur 3 years ago
Yes, numbers, plural. Home and cell. ;p
Did YT glitch and not send my PM.... again?!
GGGGGRRRRRRRRR!!!
Katatawnic 3 years ago
TSoP, I was being deliberately inflammatory in my previous comment. I'm not claiming you said the exact words I put in quotes.
You parrot TAA-brand misogyny, trying to relabel it, "cold objectivity and honesty at any cost." Where is the *truth* of which your honesty speaks? TJ said that rape counseling is harmful. He is 23 and unemployed, and we're supposed to believe he "honestly" speaks the real "truth" about a profession he has never been a part of? That's not honesty, that's BS.
exsequitur 3 years ago
exsequitur: "He is 23 and unemployed,"
Don't forget uneducated, inexperienced, and ignorant. ;)
Katatawnic 3 years ago
> And if you honestly beleive that only successful,
> employed and "experienced"
> people have the mental capacity
That's not the case, this is a simple rule of debate. The point is that I suspect TJ is wrong. To counter, you (or TJ) must give evidence for your claim. It isn't "true" until you justify it. There is no "honesty" because there is no "truth." Justify your claim, or admit it is BS.
exsequitur 3 years ago 4
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So any comment that doesn't adhere to your hyper-sensitivity is a hateful one? Somebody needs to get over themselves alright.
Come on, there must be at least ONE thing you find funny or want call bullshit on that would hurt someone who's been severely affected by it. You'd never point it out of course. Not becuase of your great maturity, but your lack of honsety.
It doesn't matter how much traffic this site gets, TAA is mature DUE to his cold objectivity and honesty at any cost.
TwoSquirtsOfPiss 3 years ago
TwoSquirtsOfPiss:
"So any comment that doesn't adhere to your hyper-sensitivity is a hateful one? Somebody needs to get over themselves alright."
My channel.
My video.
My comment page.
My choice.
My right.
Get over it.
Or sue me.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
TwoSuirtsOfPiss:
"TAA is mature DUE to his cold objectivity and honesty at any cost."
Ah yes, the guy who has the guts and maturity to spout off about that which he has no clue, but won't address someone like me himself. It's much easier for him to let his blind followers do his dirty work for him.
At any cost except to, say, have the courage to face me himself. But that might show that he's not 100% "right" about his claims, and we can't have that now, can we?
Yep, really mature.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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He doesn't face you becuase -- and listen real carefully here -- you're not that special! Nevermind the fact that he probably hasn't seen this. If he were to bother refuting all the dime a dozen breakfast club vids assuring him he's wrong for being politically incorrect and emotionally crippled, he'd be online 24/7.
I'm a blind follower? Dandy. Although I heard those types tend to follow blindly out of emotion and avoid presenting actual arguments. Kinda like the fine folks cheering you on.
TwoSquirtsOfPiss 3 years ago
Do you realize how WEAK you make him appear by vehemently defending his honor? Quite emotionally, at that.
Interesting how he can face ndclark, who has spoken out against TJ's rape remarks AND hasn't experienced rape, but not the ONE person that addressed him who's experienced it AND was calm about it. Yeah, that's courageous.
The "folks cheering me on" either have been raped, or else have compassion for others. They are not my followers; I don't know the majority of them.
Try again.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
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"Do you realize how WEAK you make him appear by vehemently defending his honor?"
No I don't. He has nothing to do with me. Anyone who considers him weak for something another person does has serious judgement problems.
"Quite emotionally, at that."
If I were letting my emotions run over my critical thinking, I'd be on your side.
"Interesting how he can face ndclark,"
Grasping at straws much?
OK, it's safe to say I've officially failed to change your perspective. I'm done.
TwoSquirtsOfPiss 3 years ago
Ah yes, it's clearly uncritical thinking to imagine being in the place of another who has experienced what you have not, rather than spouting off at those who can and do.
LMAO @ my observing his facing ndclark is grasping at straws! Oh, thank you for the laugh!
You have been quite emotional in your comments. Argue that all you wish, but it's crystal clear. No matter how much "logic" one uses, there'd be no arguments at ALL if there were no emotional investment in the arguing. Period.
Katatawnic 3 years ago
No, you can't change my perspective, try as you might. No one can change what I've experienced, including myself. Moving on with life doesn't erase the past; it can only help to ease the pain.
I hate that anyone in the world has to suffer, in ALL forms and from ALL causes.
I refuse to bury my head in the sand and pretend suffering doesn't exist just so I won't feel compassion and relate to others.
Empathy is part of human evolution. Yes, an emotion, go figure!
Katatawnic 3 years ago