Foreman vs. Norton

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

Norton couldn't fight backing up... Foreman-Tyson? Keep in mind that when Don King was trying to make that fight in 1990-91 Tyson said to King "you like him so much you fight him." At least according to Ring magazine.

[trailstar1]

Look at foreman staring out Norton after the fights finished aha

[MrStippy9]

a very intimidating opponent indeed lol

[flaxonx3]

That ref virtually threw Norton into that final barrage then still wanted him to continue while he was staggering around at the end.

[jijforlife]

no one in the history of boxing could have stood toe to toe with foreman in his prime, even the greatest of all times knew he couldn't have danced all night, he had to utilise foremans own power against him through smarts, tyson, marciano,holyfield couldnt have lasted 3 rounds with foreman in his prime, norton and frazier made the mistake of trying to match foreman punch for punch.

[dragonfurp]

@jijforlife in his prie tyson could knock foreman down.. frazier had the wrong style to fight foreman. he did love to move his head to make a guy miss but he never really did the full countering.... frazier always tried to create offens off his own by beeing aggresive... Now that is not a good idea.... Tyson on the other hand loved setting up offense with counter.. somthing that would have worked great against such a slow guy..

[fadethetrade]

@dragonfurp Yeah,I saw Lyle land a right hand and foreman was on queer street.I'm totally convinced the if tyson got foreman hurt with the same punch,he would have finished foreman off!!!! ,tyson would certainly land his shots.the key is could foreman take it enough to start landing on tyson? That's my issue.Would foreman weather the storm enough to take over because I saw Thomas and Bruno both survive tysons first round assault and they came back a little.

[DocWyoming]

Foreman would have swam a river of shit to fight Tyson. Tyson ran from him and pretty much everyone else.

[loyaldude10]

@Smythy7 --your points are very well taken. Foreman's chin wasnt the greatest. Ron Lyle knocked him down twice. George had trouble against slick boxers, and couldnt deal with getting outpointed. If Tyson caught him with some good punches, he wouldnt have to go 12 or 15 rds w/ him. Tyson was also much much faster than Foreman and could duck bob and weave, as well as swarm. It would be a fight everyone would love to see though--either could KO the other

[loyaldude10]

Foreman was a destroyer back then. But as was shown in Ali and Jimmy Young fights, he didnt have the endurance or ring smarts. Seemed to have both when he made his comeback, although he carefully picked his opponents

[403766]

@loyaldude10

I wouldn't say he carefully picked his opponents he fought anyone and no-one could put him down man I mean guys like Moorer and Hofield if anythnig tyson hould have challanged him.

[AliRidah619]

@403766 tyson vs foreman should of happen i don't know why it didn't

[DocWyoming]

@AliRidah619 Because Tyson ran from him. Tyson ran from Holyfield in 89, claiming an injury. He had to pay out cash to Holyfield. Tyson and Don King paid out 4 million to Lennox Lewis in 1996, rather than fight Lewis. Ask yourself why there was no Tyson vs Ray Mercer, or Bowe, or Lewis until 2002, or Holyfield until they thought Holy was washed up. Tyson ran from everyone.

[AliRidah619]

@DocWyoming weather thats true or not tyson was a beast.

[DocWyoming]

@AliRidah619 It is true that Tyson paid out 2 million in contract default payments to Holyfield in 1989-90, and 4 million to Lewis in 1996. Don King wouldn't let Tyson fight Lewis until they had no other choice. The best fighters of Tyson's era were: Spinks, Tucker, Bowe, Mercer, McCall, Witherspoon, Rudduck, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield. Ask yourself why Tyson dodged most of them. And why did he only fight Holyfield when he thought Holy was washed up?!

[AliRidah619]

@DocWyoming lol a like i said if it's true thats bitch shit but you can't take being a legend from him he was the baddest man on the planet at 1 pointof hiscareer he was a beast.

[DocWyoming]

@AliRidah619 Give me one opponent that he beat that impresses you.

[AliRidah619]

@DocWyoming a undefeated michael spinks.

[DocWyoming]

@DocWyoming Spinks was a terrrific light heavyweight. If that's the best you can come up with, you don't have much. Tyson's list of best defeated opponents would also include: Razor Rudduck and Tony Tucker. Caveat for Tucker, seeing as Tucker broke his hand in the fourth round and still managed to go the distance.

That's it. Not a great list for a candidate for all time great boxer! Now, look at the list of people he ran from!

[SmelOdies]

@DocWyoming @AliRidah619 Get a room, you two.

[TheBoxingFan360]

@DocWyoming I agree but I think it was Tyson's handlers not really Tyson himself that didn't want those fights, I think the only really dangerous fighter he fought in his younger years was Ruddock and he had a fair amount of trouble beating him.

[DocWyoming]

@TheBoxingFan360 I completely agree that it was King and his crew. King won't risk having his boxer lose, unless he's got a contract with the opponent too. But that said, Tyson is still a man and he still bears responsibility.... it's a nice cop out for Tyson to say "King made me do it"

[06gtdriver]

I don't agree with the assessment that Holmes would have had an easy time with the pre-retirement Foreman. Jimmy Young and Ali were dancers that had great lateral movement, this gave Foreman fits, more so than the jabbing he encountered. Holmes was too flat-footed and consequently would often taste canvas because of this trait. Remember the Ernie Shavers & Reynaldo Snipes fights? Not saying that Holmes wouldn't eke out a decision, but if Foreman caught him, goodnight!

[topoff3]

@06gtdriver larry holmes flat footed in comparison to foreman u fuckin idiot Holmes lost by ko once in the in his late 30s other than that he got up foreman woulnt catch him

[06gtdriver]

@topoff3 why do you need to be so insulting? Were you old enough to see Foreman the 1st time around? I never said Holmes would lose, but he wasn't as fleet of foot as Ali or Young, which if Foreman caught him(like Shavers did) Holmes wouldn't survive vs a young Foreman. Ever been in the ring? Thought so.....

[topoff3]

@topoff3 didnt mean to b so insulting i just finished watching bert sugar slating holmes Whilst i wasnt old enough to c foreman 1st time round im a bit of a anorak when it comes to the heavy weight and have watched the majority of their fights i just feel that holmes footwork whilst not as quick as ali was brilliant at keepin opponents from setting their feet right to land bombs which is how foreman fought I think larry style would frustrate foreman and buy the later rounds foreman would be in

[topoff3]

@06gtdriver trouble on points looking for a knockout playing into larrys hands I also think that at his peak were he to go down hed get back up hed survive to win as he did in the two fights u metioned. Also uve got to look at the fact that both fighter only ever lost once by ko i think which leads to points and thats why george would lose because theres no way george could outpoint him . ps I do box at heavyweight not as well as the people were talkin about mind and sorry a being rude

[06gtdriver]

@topoff3 I see all the points you're making and they stand to reason, a great boxer usually beats a great puncher(who's not too much of a boxer). All I'm saying is that Holmes never liked laying on the ropes(like Ali would) to let his opponent tire themselves out. Holmes always stood his ground and usually fought through adversity. That said, IF Foreman caught Holmes, I can't see Holmes survivng(Shavers was a great one-punch KO artist, but didn't have a killer instinct like Foreman IMO). Cheers

[bartosx]

wow foreman almost hit him through the canvas...

[dspreis]

No way Tyson EVER beats the Foreman that beat Norton on this night. Foreman by kayo in 3.

[Trashfished]

@dspreis Cmon now Foreman had his weaknesses also, Tyson was so much quicker and smarter with his money!LOL!

[dspreis]

funny..

[fadethetrade]

@dspreis but tyson could beat formen the night ron lyle knocked foreman down 4 times,tyson of late 86 to 88 could have and would have finished big george! Well?????

[frank581949]

All I ask its the Commission of Sports of Boxing makes Justice to George Foreman and up to Hall of Fame as an Athlete of Excellence of all time as a heavyweight for all that Foreman has done. Its about time that Foreman should be recognized at its fair value.

[razzz42]

If Tyson couldn't deliver a low blow and get a bigger man down to his level to bite the guy's ear off then he avoided fighting him. Buster destroyed the punk. What the hell are you punk loving guys think'in?

[SuperTheJET]

Terrtj, You may indeed be right ...Foreman did have great power but real trouble after 7 rounds.Tyson on the other hand in his prime went 10 rounds on severl aoccassions and looked very strong and very fast.. I like big George, what a great fighter..But Tyson: Too fast, too strong, too much movement.Joe Frazier was 200llbs, when Foreman destroyed him..Tyson at 220lbs would beat Foreman..Momentum=mass*velocit­y and Tyson had that..

[fadethetrade]

How would tyson beat foreman if tyson loses to douglas,holyfield and lewis?

[One1of4the9few3]

That's not Tyson, when you speak of Tyson, you should have in mind a Tyson up to the point when he fought Spinks. After that, Rooney wasn't in his corner anymore, you could see the effect of that. His skills were diminishing, and it was obvious on the first Bruno fight, he was getting hit more, and it was just a matter of time before he lost. A hungry Tyson under Kevin Rooney, with Cas still alive, was a machine, an unstoppable machine.

[fadethetrade]

still,that foreman power plays right into giving tyson trouble.Look how easily bonecrusher held him for 12 rounds and foreman back then was stronger and better then bonecrusher.And look how foreman ko'd frazier.Styles make fights and this is the only one I have reservasions about.Tyson would probably beat any other fighter in history in 1988 inc. Ali but young foreman? I dont know.

[fadethetrade]

And holyfield might have exposed tysons inability to take body shots.tyson looked hurt wityh holy bodyshots and tubbs said thats how you have to go after tyson ,to the body,even when tyson was prime classic in 88.

[LeftHandedDude20]

@fadethetrade he can bite him

[bcibibcibcpCB]

@fadethetrade All respect, Tyson was done when he fought Lewis, and post his prime against Hiolyfield. But he was in his prime when Douglas slapped him silly, as far as I know is 24 pretty prime, but Tyson nut huggers will disagree.

Tyson loses cause styles make a fight, any man who went on the inside with Foremn ended up on the canvas. And he had about 70 fights...

[fadethetrade]

@bcibibcibcpCB Before the douglas fight,tyson was already gone mentally and physically he lost 20 lbs in a few weeks,water weight,too much partying in tokyo.Why didn't biggs(undefeated) and tucker undefeated and ko'd douglas 4 months prior) beat tyson in a similar way as douglas did? why didn't tillis in 86,tillis was as good asdouglas who lost 4 times. Because tyson fought and trained with a defensive first/offensive perpetual style in 1988.After 89 ,he approached fights as a head hunter only

[bcibibcibcpCB]

@fadethetrade Because Biggs (10 loses, 7 times by ko) and Tucker (7 loses, 3 times by ko, Mike couldn't ko him) were not Buster Douglas. Foreman koyoed Frazier 7 times in one round, Frazier won against Ali and Ali knocked out Foreman. It isn't because Tucker defeated Douglas that Douglas couldn't beat Tyson.

[fadethetrade]

@bcibibcibcpCB Angelo Dundee stated that tyson became "empty early" meaning after 1988 ,he was shot defensively because he stopped trainng the damato style of constantly moving the head to nullify the jabber.Thomas had a jab as good or better then douglas and tyson slipped most of them.Tyson also failed to throw combinations after 1988..But as a head hunter,he became beatable but dont compare the tyson who ko'd holmes with the tyson who lost to douglas.

[bcibibcibcpCB]

Thomas lost to every topfighter he ever face: Bowe, Morrison, Holyfield, even Berbick. Ok you could say the same thing about Douglas before the Tyson fight but his jab was much better. I remember Douglas fighting Mike Williams, an up an comer, Douglas was considerd a test for Williams. It turned out different, Douglas kayoed him about 3 times with his JAB!

About Dundee, when asked who would win Tyson or Ali he sayd; styles make a fight, Ali would slap him around.

[fadethetrade]

@bcibibcibcpCB Being in your prime at 24 isnt always the same with different people.After monica Seles was stabbed plying tennis,mentally she could never get back even 70% of what her game was as a teen.She was a shot 24yr old tennis player because of the men tal erosion.You sound like a puppy when you say things like tyson being in his prime.A fighters prime also includes his mental condition also.DUH!

[bcibibcibcpCB]

I'm a boxer, don't know anything about tennis and I don't give a fuck about it. Phisical decline starts at about 28-30 for a boxer, if you go down hill before that you fucked it up. It comes in pretty damn handy for you Tyson hugger to claim he had a prime of 2 years. He didn't face one prime great fighter in that time. Very easy to say 'he couldn't be defeated ihis prime'; it was so short that he hardly fought a decent foo. Ali, Lewis, Louis dominated for 15 years.

[tappmoney18]

@fadethetrade a prime tyson cant be beat

[SmelOdies]

@tappmoney18 Prime Tyson was beat.

[tappmoney18]

@SmelOdies no he wasnt....tyson didnt train for the douglas fight...prime tysin was when cus was alive...on his game...mentally stable....no1 beats a prime tyson..head movement....defense is his offense power in both hands...quick...tough...can go 12 rounds...throws combinations...not lookin for the 1 hit ko...no1 beats a prime tyson

[SmelOdies]

@tappmoney18 Undefeated and 23 is prime, regardless of whether he or not he was banging geisha girls the night before.

[tappmoney18]

@SmelOdies its true tho ...if cus never died tyson wud have never lost

[fadethetrade]

@SmelOdies You're wrong and you miscalculated.Tysons style depended on a focused defensive/offensive posture.He was in his prime age when he lost to douglas but he wasnt in his prime fighting ability.The tyson pre 1989 moved his head more,threw in combinations,outjabbed jabbers,trained 10 hrs a day 7 days a week,fought every 3 months.His timing was deadly(watch the tubbs ko,2 6 inch punches ripped tubbs eyebrow in half).All thses attributes would finish off any douglas in 5 rounds.

[fadethetrade]

@SmelOdies ironically,it was the runner Tillis and tucker,who had the chance to beat a classic tyson,not a prime aged tyson,but a classic tyson.This classic tyson was what I mentioned earlier and angello dundee,who haed tyson echoed those words.He said tyson got empty early.If you stood firm in front of the classic tyson,you get shredded up as holyfield and douglas would have both found out before the 5th round that that style doesnt work on a perpetual motion fighting machine.

[SmelOdies]

@tappmoney18 @tappmoney18 Undefeated and 23 is prime, regardless of whether or not he was banging geisha girls the night before.

[farrell360]

@tappmoney18 your delusional

[Dalittheuntouchable]

@tappmoney18 Tyson had trouble going 4 rounds. Learn your shit. Foreman would crush tyson. Tyson's charge wouldn't stand against Foreman's stalking, and foremans left jab was vicious. Tyson couldn't take a hit worth shit, either.

[tappmoney18]

@Dalittheuntouchable are yu dumb???? kno your shit...look at tyson vs tucker dimbass 12 round fight fo the title both undefeated...tyson stalkedlarry holmes fo 4 rounds....tyson vs piklon thomas etc.. not all his fights were 1st round ko's plus every1 had a longer reach than tyson...the point is tyson fights on the inside so their longer reach is nulified....know your shit

[THEAuburnFTW]

@Dalittheuntouchable amen, plus tyson is pretty much like frazier, all foreman had to do if he vsed tyson was push him away and take advantage of the reach,

[fadethetrade]

@SmelOdies Young foreman and Cassius Clay were the only 2 people that could beat the classic tyson of 86-88,more towards 1988.Even Lewis could squeeze out a close decision against the classic tyson but judging from the lewis tua fight,the classic tyson could possibly have caught lewis with those deadly 5 punch combinations he stopped using after leaving the damato camp in 1989.He became a head hunter and looked for the quick ko.This works on subpar fighters but not crafty guys like holyfield.

[farrell360]

@fadethetrade I actually agree with this lol

[fadethetrade]

@farrell360 did you know tysons true numbing punching power was his short left hook(less then 10 inch hook) where he twisted his wrist and hit the opponent high on the temple(watch berbick,tubbs,holmes and saverese finishing punch) its a 6 inch shot high on the temple.not the right hand,not the roudhouses,not the uppercut,its a 6 inch shot that ,had it landed on douglas and holyfield,douglas would go bye bye and holy would be foaming at the mouth as he did against bowe fight 1.

[fadethetrade]

@farrell360 problem was he and his entourage were too dumb to figure this out and train him to use it as much as possible in his fights. Had I been his trainer,tyson would have retired undefeated.

[farrell360]

@fadethetrade I don't agree with that though, 1 punch isnt everything, styles make fights, Ali beat a prime George foreman not because he was stronger or hit harder in fact he wasn't particulary much faster than foreman at that point in his career, the reason that he beat foreman was because he worked his style out and came up with the right tactics to beat him.

[farrell360]

@fadethetrade Are you telling me that Tyson would have had as much determination as Holyfield or would have out thought Lewis? some how I dont think so, he was good but even if he had stayed on the right road and stayed with kevin rooney I don't think he wouyld have remained undefeated...

[fadethetrade]

@farrell360 I'm telling you HAD rooney and lott and the rest of them understood the implications of tysons wrist twisting(sounds pathetic,right??) short left hook and the results it produced against hard chinned fighters who could take shots,tubbs,holmes,berbick,sav­erese took foremans all night ,right? Tyson needed to implement that short shot and he would be undefeated until 1993 when his interest simmered from training 7 days a week 12 hrs a day and fighting every3 months.

[fadethetrade]

@farrell360 Then he would lose from lack of discipline and interest as it happened against douglas but I assure you that had king brought back rooney for a douglas rematch,tyson would go thru douglas as holyfield did ,in about 3 rounds but did you know king would have to pay rooney the original contract agreement of a cut of all the fights and king chose to bring in Giachetti,a good trainer but no knowledge of the damato perpetual motion defensive/offensive posture.

[fadethetrade]

@farrell360 It was a science with tyson and the defensive wizardry of his head movement stopped after spinks and those short hooks but if I was his trainer,I can assure you he would walk thru holyfield and douglas in 1991.Take a minute to watch the berbick ko hook,the tubbs ending,holmes right hook and saverese ending all began with a 6 inch shot high on the temple and none of the other fights in his 50 fights was he able to land that shot,OH,he did land a short right on spinks on the temple.

[loyaldude10]

@fadethetrade --Tyson's prime was very early in his career. He won title at 20; personal problems may have done him in. I dont think he trained properly for Dogulas fight. Tyson v Foreman would be a war. Remember, Tyson was very fast, Foreman very slow. Foreman would have height weight, and reach advantage. Either fighter could KO the other if they caught him.

[dogfaceCB]

@loyaldude10 ya true but tyson would of won only because he was faster with more power and he could move out of the way of his punches

[dogfaceCB]

@fadethetrade tyson would of kill him when he was young stop it

[fadethetrade]

@dogfaceCB CUs Damato told tyson in 1985 that young foreman of 71-76 would beat any swarming fighter in history.I'm sure he included tyson in that statement.

[PDizzo]

@fadethetrade Well Tyson did get locked up in 91. So we will never know. 

[africaunity1]

believe me big george would have Kod tyson.tyson can'tKO Big george and tyson can't take foreman's punches.tyson is a great boxer but foreman is too much.too big and above all really too powerful

[SuperTheJET]

heres the deal from a real fighter who trained at the Lenox Lewis gym in Lewisham , and spent 27 years fighting, and won 2 thai boxing titles based on pure boxing..Foreman great power..no movement, very slow, plods forward..it took Ali to expose him..so he was good , as he used his power.Tyson..fast, movement, bobing , weaving, multiple combos, great head movement..foreman poor defense..Tyson great defense..Bottom Line. Tyson would take him out in 8 rounds

[terrtj]

Think Tyson would take him out sooner. Foreman has great power but I think Tyson has a little more and puts his body weight and momentum and speed into his punches.

[africaunity1]

hey i have boxer for more than 20 years also and i assure you that foreman is too much for tyson.Tyson cannot KO foreman and above all tyson can't take foreman's punches.And above all tyson was vey quickly discouraged when he did not KO his opponent quickly.believe me Foreman was too much and that's why they never put tyson with foreman in the ring.

[papismadze]

foreman is a great man, was first of his kind that time, really positive personality, its biggest upset in sports history when he lost to mahmud a-rabi-li. cant say thing about him and tyson in end of 90s, tyson also wast in his prime, but big george is really one of the greatest!

[userho]

I think Foreman ko's tyson too but I wouldn't be surprised at all if tyson ko's Foreman. Tyson was much faster and quicker while foreman just stood there not moving much and with tysons power he could knock anybody out. Foreman was also easily discouraged and not very smart he just threw haymakers.

[fadethetrade]

@userho but tyson couldnt ko tucker,tillis and bonecrusher smith and bonecrusher just held.foreman was a bit stronger then bonecrusher.

[TheWorld318]

tyson and foreman punching power is just about the same, do i belive tyson would beat foreman HELL YES I DO foreman does not have any technique 2 his fighting style and 2 slow 2 put up with tyson, so you cant just base that on punching power tyson has everything that foreman does not.. SKILLS..if anyone think foreman would beat tyson because his punches may be a tad bit stronger then you are a terrible excuse of a boxing fan and know nothing about boxing or what it realy takes to beat someone.

[regismo]

Holmes, Tyson... If they beat Foreman (and I don't believe it) never by KO, Foreman was a biggest puncher than Tyson.

[dogfaceCB]

@regismo tyson hit the hardest ever it rated already so there if you dont no than do guess

[double42]

@regismo Maybe Foreman was a bigger puncher , but lacked the skills Tyson and Holmes had that would have been a disadvantage .

[regismo]

@double42 But I think Tyson can't take punchs like Foreman. George never be really KO. Even with Ali, he was just late for one second, but he was able to fought before 10.

[dragonfurp]

@regismo ali was not a man that went straight for the knockdown... Im a huge foreman fan.... but in his prime mike would take the young and the old foreman..... tyson trained his whole life taking down big slow men like foreman... Foreman was a brawler and so was tyson but the difference is that tyson had insane skills outside of powershots to..... Tyson was a better puncher.... puncher=power, accuracy, speed.. Tyson also loved using his head so foreman,s punches were perfect for tyson,s counter

[regismo]

@dragonfurp In fact Tyson never beat a really great fighter, or a fighter who has been great, but not anymore. So how can we judge of his real value ? Foreman destroy prime Frazier and prime Norton. And old Foreman shock the world several times by beating mens 10-15 years younger than him.

Tyson in one punch was less strengh. Young, he was dangerous with his speed. But Tyson can't take punches, Foreman can. No, young Foreman won, and maybe Old Foreman don't, but in points, not by KO.

[rickosuave29]

@regismo im not defending Tyson at all, but he fought Lennox Lewis, who was great, and he fought Larry Holmes, who was Great in his prime, but when Tyson fought him he was washed up. Wouldn't it have been great to see Foreman vs Tyson in their primes?

[loyaldude10]

@rickosuave29 -foreman v Tyson in their primes!!!!!!! What a war. Could see either knocking the other out

[seka1986]

@regismo Also, Foreman became heavyweight champ again at age 45. Tyson is 45 now, do you think he could come back and be heavyweight champ again?

[SmelOdies]

@seka1986 No.

[fadethetrade]

@seka1986 he could actually win the damn thing IF he takes rooney back for another serious 3 yr stint.He'll win it at 47!

[POLChelseaFC]

@regismo Personally think the first 2/3rounds Tyson would have some success but the later rounds would be the end of his challenge probably get knocked out.

[regismo]

@POLChelseaFC I think Tyson could beat old Foreman, by decision. Young Foreman, or Old by KO, I don't believe it.

[dragonfurp]

@regismo no.... george is one of my favourits..... but if u add up the accuracy speed and power tyson is the bigger puncher...

[beenz08]

foreman had one of the best right uppercuts in boxing he didnt even have 2 get low or move to his right hell just launch it from a standing position and it was devastating looks like a arm punch w/e it was it was brutal

[jeryd2003]

norton excaped round 1 i wonder whats going to happen in round 2? hehe

[6400az]

What a size difference. Norton looks like a middleweight !!

That Foreman stare down at the end ...man, he WAS one mean dude.

[examinfo]

Holmes would have beaten Foreman.If you think about it Ernie Shavers was another Foreman.However they always have the punchers chance.What was funny as hell about this video, is at the end, when Foreman is staring at Kenny Norton LMAO!

[pnutbutrncrackers]

I'm just glad Norton's head stayed attached to his neck. That last combo was BRUTAL!!

[ArseBEAST]

everyone is obsessed with how tyson would do in fantastical matchups. why? You scroll down a few cms and tyson't name will inevitably be there. it's very wearing

[chris270181]

foreman had no style just an out an out brawler

[Jorsalfar]

yeah, I think Norton was a better boxer, he just didnt have the punch like Foreman.

[stoneeh]

if "boxer" means shifting your head up and down with basically the posture of the hunchback of notre dame..

[Jorsalfar]

Thats his style and it worked well most of the time. Just not against such behemoths as Foreman. This Foreman would have knocked Tyson out in three rounds I believe.

[mrtvman]

cool

[benjaminBarr]

When you watch this, chek out how well Foreman cuts off the ring! Every time Norton steps to his own left, Foreman steps once to his own right. Norton is trapped. Also watch Foreman duck under that hook. His power was so awesome that it obscured the fact that he was so highly skilled. But that was why experts wernt giving Ali much chance to beat him at the time

[SmelOdies]

Neither Foreman nor Norton had much boxing ability. They were both punchers. Holmes had a great deal of boxing ability.

[pugilistofpower]

Norton wasn't a puncher. He was an aggressive counterpuncher with a style that gives boxers hell.

[SmelOdies]

Both Norton and Foreman were punchers, not boxers. Obviously George was the harder puncher. George did well with short range punchers, not so well with boxers; Norton did well with boxers, but not distance punchers.

[benjaminBarr]

If you say so, I dont agree though

[pugilistofpower]

why don't you agree? He gave both Ali and Holmes immensly tough fights because of his awkward fighting style that throws off the jab of the skilled boxers. This sort of style only worked when Norton was permitted to move forward which he did against the backward and side movements of Ali and Holmes. However punchers like Foreman, Cooney and Shavers who forced Norton backwards all finished him off quickly.

[benjaminBarr]

No, I wasnt talking about Norton. I was talking about Foreman. That guy said Foreman & Norton didnt have ability as boxers. Then he says Holmes did. Foreman would have squashed Holmes worse than Tyson did

[pugilistofpower]

oh i see. I agree with you there.

[SmelOdies]

Ali and Jimmy Young outboxed Foreman easily, so would have Holmes.

[benjaminBarr]

Yeah, Holmes would have boxed himself to unconciousness, like he did that night with Tyson, Thats what Holmes would have done with Foreman, I believe

[SmelOdies]

I disagree. I believe Holmes would have outboxed George handily. George couldn't deal with Ali's jab or Jimmy Young's jab, I doubt he'd like Larry's which had more pop and comparable speed.

[AntonioSantiago]

I have 2 remind you that was an old Holmes, 3 years from his last fight, against Tyson. DK always does that, he did it to Ali against Holmes then to Holmes against Tyson.

[benjaminBarr]

And Holmes will probably go down in history as one dimensional, A fighter who held the title in a time when there was no real competition. This is due to the fact that he was trying to be Muhammad Ali. he had to live in the shadow. But he didnt have one tenth of Alis imagination or charisma, although he wanted to pretend he did

[SmelOdies]

Larry had loads more fundamental and technical ability than Ali. I'll grant you he wasn't as quick, and I'll also concede he didn't have Ali's killer instinct, but he was more well-rounded and a harder puncher.

[SalvyMic]

No one was going to like Larry Holmes after the Ali era, especially when he massacred Ali when they fought well past Ali's prime.  He was an immensely talented boxer though, and he did fight everyone there was to fight in his era, it's just that the other guys around were nowhere near the caliber that existed in the 70s.

[AntonioSantiago]

It was unfair to Larry but thats how it was. He never wanted to fight Ali under those conditions in 1980.

[secordman]

Agreed, I remember watching this fight on TV (maybe live, as a lot of them were in the mid-70's), and Foreman was never more intimidating and devastating. Kenny never knew what hit him. Clay at ringside definitely took notice.

[benjaminBarr]

Yeah, Ali took notice alright, He took notice, signed to fight Foreman, & completely outpsyched & outsmarted him. He saw this & wasnt intimidated by it or anybody. So lets finish that sentance of yours

[AllGunsBlazing]

Watching these old heavyweight fights from the 70's just depresses me when you compare it to the terrible standard of today.

[burtmurdoch]

serve norton right! go foreman go!

[elyserva]

Hey, did I just noticed? The round girls is fully dressed!

[xylofish1]

i saw that 2 bummmer huh

[AriLouisShow]

I wish Foreman would fuck up this kraut!

[jamesoblas]

i felt sorry for ken norton in this fight. foreman made him fly from one corner of the ring to the other... whew, what power!!

[JMDestro]

Their guards are low, but their defense ok. Norton especially like to pick other fighters jabs and counter with the right. Even big George like to extend those arms out as well. Big George is the most devasting puncher in boxing history and coupled with his agility easily one of the more dangerous.

[Bobbygigidijoe]

his awkward timing of punching power is what realy scared his oppenents

[SmelOdies]

Both Norton and Foreman were punchers, not boxers. Obviously George was the harder puncher. George did well with short range punchers, not so well with boxers; Norton did well with boxers, but not distance punchers.

[fearlessmonsteralex]

That's why Ali dropped him.

[Levrone7]

foreman's defence is non-exisitent

[Bobbygigidijoe]

foremans defence was mainly his offence,he knew his opponents feared to get to close to him and his awkward timing of punching power is what realy scared his oppenents

[feeneythefiend]

you don't know boxing, do you...

[Bobbygigidijoe]

feeneythefiend who are u aiming that comment to?

[benjaminBarr]

Thats Bull. Foreman could cut off the ring as good as anyone ever. He feinted, tricking opponents into making all sorts of mistakes, leaving themselves open. Foreman was trained by Archie Moore, who knew every trick in the book

[ManilaSyndicate]

Amazing how both fighters are so open and yet not one of them exploiting it from the start. With such suspect defenses these fighters would have been vulnerable to a fast hard-hitting puncher.

Still one of my favorite fights; gotta love Big George's punching power.

[theufokid]

foreman should have been the best fighter ever. i needed to be more patient. i love george...

[wolves1010]

i was suggestin the same thing, i cant hear the english guys speak damnnnnnnnnnnn

[XionComrade]

Lol *Shoots the nazi* There we go, now we can watch (and listen to) the fight :D

[bagzie73]

Someone tell that goose-stepping nazi to shut the fuck up so we can hear Ali talking.