RedBeetle and The 3rd Use Of The Law, Gordon H. Clark

[doctorh2005]

Hey good video. Monty nailed by his own "favourite theologian of all time" LOL

[Blogrich55]

@doctorh2005 The point Jeff, Tom, and I are making is that Monty misrepresents Clark big time. He has been putting words in Clark's mouth for some time. THIS is why he refuses to answer the basic question we posed. Clark said that good works are obligatory. They are NOT part of justification. NONE of us believe that. They are a part of salvation for, as Clark says, salvation is a very broad term. Some like Monty want to equate the word with justification and make good works optional.God bless!

[doctorh2005]

@Blogrich55

"Monty misrepresents Clark big time. He has been putting words in Clark's mouth for some time."

The Word speaks of many wolves "in sheeps clothing" who try to use other Christians to promote their false teaching.

:-)

[jacksmack77]

1689baptist. I was just chewed out and rebuked by my friend Sierra for leaving hateful comments. I will not be leaving anymore comments to your channel! Jacksmack.

[jacksmack77]

Blogrich For by the works of the law _______ (put your name in the blank) shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16 This verse alone condemns you.

[Blogrich55]

@jacksmack77 Jacky, Jacky, Jacky. I am NOT speaking of salvation ONLY as justification BUT salvation as a whole which includes sanctification as well. Did you see our video SALVATION IS A VERY BROAD TERM according to Dr Gordon H Clark? Works have ABSOLUTELY no part in justification. I believe in justification by faith ALONE apart from any good works. BUT saving faith inevitably produces good works. If there are no works that would indicate there is no faith there either. God bless you!

[jacksmack77]

1689baptist.You say I don't have eternal life the Bible says I do. John 3:15. That makes you a Bible-rejecting liar! Romans 3:3-4. You claim you believe in the finished work of the cross but yet insist that works have to be there. Make up your mind. it's one or the other not both! Romans 11:6. I don't continue on in the dead state but sadly most Christians do! Preach to them!

[cccathena]

Blogrich55 is in this comment section claiming he holds to the 3rd Use of The Law (3UL), which assumes Law / Gospel Distinction (LGD). The 3UL teaches our good works are necessary, but not necessary to salvation. My video, "He Called Them Dogs," demonstrates Blogrich55 teaches our good works are necessary to salvation. Clark correctly condemned this as heresy. Boys, you cannot identify the Gospel proper as "utter rubbish," then pretend to hold to LGD. That's a contradiction.

Got Logic?

[1689Baptist]

@cccathena You did not deal with the question I asked you in this video.

[Blogrich55]

@cccathena "Blogrich55 teaches our good works are necessary to salvation. Clark correctly condemned this as heresy."

"The relation between faith and works is really very simple and easy to understand, even though from age to age so many people entertain confused notions about it. The relation is that faith is the cause of good works and good works are the effect of faith. This simple causal relation removes the notion that good works are the basis for justification ...

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[Blogrich55]

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"and, as well, the NOTION that good are UNNECESSARY in a salvation accomplished by sovereign grace."

(emphasis mine.) What Do Presbyterians Believe? pg 162 by Dr Gordon H Clark

In the same book on page 163 Clark says:

"...faith is the root and works are the fruit. WE CANNOT BE SAVED WITHOUT THEM." (emphasis mine.)

Monty WHAT part of this do you fail to understand? Do you agree with Clark or NOT?

[cccathena]

@Blogrich55,

You claim our good works are necessary TO salvation, as I demonstrated in my video "He Called Them Dogs." Your claim is justification by faith and works, and this is exactly why Clark condemned it. In Clark's other books, he is talking about good works IN a salvation accomplished by sovereign grace, which is, by definition, the 3rd use of the Law (see Romans 3:31). Rather than defend your heresy, why not just retract it? You're all dogs, according to Dr. Gordon H. Clark--LOL!

[1689Baptist]

@cccathena Monty, come off of it! TO? IN? This is blatant fault finding in the brethren. The question still stands, "...faith is the root and works are the fruit. WE CANNOT BE SAVED WITHOUT THEM." (emphasis mine.) is Clark right

[Blogrich55]

@cccathena "You claim..."

So Monty I see you persist in lying. I do NOT believe in justification by faith PLUS works. I do believe that even though good works are not meritorious they are nevertheless necessary. Salvation means MORE than justification. Please see our video SALVATION IS A VERY BROAD TERM according to Dr Gordon H Clark. I also see you have not yet responded to my question:

Do you agree or disagree with Clark when he said we cannot be saved without good works?

[Blogrich55]

@cccathena I notice you refuse to answer our new video SILENCING THE LAMBS, Monty. You prefer to snipe at us using a sock account from the safe distance of Jeff's video instead. it would seem you cannot answer our charges. Of course I do not answer under YOUR videos because you have blocked me. Typical Jesuit tactic.

[zacqt]

@cccathena Monty you don't understand the 3 types of law, you often contrast the Mosaic law & Gospel grace but seem ignorant of The Royal Law. The Mosaic law was/is the guide, The Royal Law is what all Christians are still under or subject to even now(Rom3v31). When people reject the Royal Law they deny Christ. Jude v4 warns about grace abusers.

Eph2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. +Matt7v19~21.

[skintightpotato]

@cccathena Monty, I am not being antagonistic, but am looking for a sincere answer. I'll use your most recent video as an example, but this also applies to the types of accusations you make, in a more general sense.

Since you consistently belabor the distinction between the Gospel proper, or its narrow/wide sense, how do you know that JMac for example (as in your last video), is not speaking of the Gospel in its wide sense in the quotes you pull? How are you deducing this?

cont.

[skintightpotato]

@skintightpotato

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Is it just an assertion you are making? What is your basis for this? Is there any point at which his statements are preceded with the specification that "this is the Gospel proper," or "this is the Gospel in its narrow sense..." followed by the quotes you give? How do you know, when he speaks of discipleship, he is not speaking of the Gospel in its wide sense? This is all the same question. I'd like to know how you arrive at your conclusion.

[fivepointbaptist]

Its truly sad that we have to deal with this type of non sense within our "own camp." Nevertheless, keep exposing these heretics and apostates! SDG

[1689Baptist]

@fivepointbaptist  God bless you brother

[jacksmack77]

I believe Clark covered this in the video, "Eternal life includes our obedient love (not the finished work of the cross), our growth in grace (not the finished work of the cross), our resistance to? Temptation (not the finished work of the cross), our increasing holiness (not the finished work of the cross." I’m 1689baptist a works salvation liar who is headed for hell!!

[1689Baptist]

@jacksmack77 Jack you are an idiot! It is the finished work of the cross that gives us eternal life. This life has certain characteristics. This is your problem you don't believe in eternal life, you might believe in eternal something but it is not life b/c you can continue on in the dead state, with no newness of life. Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened (MADE ALIVE, MADE ALIVE, MADE ALIVE), who were DEAD, DEAD, DEAD in trespasses and sins;

[Blogrich55]

@jacksmack77 No Wacky Jacky Smacky YOU are a dispensational ANTINOMIAN liar who will burst hell wide open one day if you don't quit teaching damnable heresy and denying man's obligation to obey God's moral law. In it's 3rd use it is STILL morally binding. But tell me Oh Blocking one who makes idiotic videos and then blocks his victims like the RedDevil, WHICH of God's 10 commandments can I break today?

Murder? Naw, too messy! Adultery seems to have a wide appeal in this day and age. Tell me!!

[youratm]

LOL a Baptist using Clark to beat up Presbyterian but what I think is really funny is how you used a hymn and not the bible, But I forget you like the words of man better that the words of God. I wish you and monty and rich would more on......

[TCMAO0]

Amen!

[Haukman66]

More good stuff by Clark, that refutes Montys silliness!! Maybe your reading him wrong! Look out Jeff, Liz will get ya!

[777cata]

what are the works of the faith?

[1689Baptist]

@777cata I believe Clark covered this in the video, "Eternal life includes our obedient love, our growth in grace, our resistance to temptation, our increasing holiness."

[777cata]

@1689Baptist

be more specific, please.

[1689Baptist]

@777cata I don't need to be more specific, that is between you and God and the Bible. You are wanting me to make a specific list so that if I do this and don't do that then I have faith, and I am not going there. This is a matter of the heart not a list, at regeneration God changes "your want to, your desires"!

[777cata]

@1689Baptist.

ok, no problem.

if what you said are the works of the faith, what are the works of the Spirit then?

[1689Baptist]

@777cata If you want a list here is the Biblical one. Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If you will notice this is the same list that Clark gave for faith, "our obedient love, our growth in grace, our resistance to temptation, our increasing holiness."

[777cata]

@1689Baptist

i`ll stick with Paul and what he taught us in galatians.

Many blesses.

p.s. "obedient love" is not the fruit of the Spirit; unconditional love it is.

[1689Baptist]

@777cata God has unconditional love for us, we have obedient love produced in us by the Spirit, you are getting confused. See the faith I have in Christ is not my own it is a gift from God, that is why it is listed as a fruit of the Spirit in Gal. 5: 22. Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. Do you not understand that the Holy Spirit produces these fruits not you free willing them. You need to understand Galatians before you can stick with it.

God bless

[777cata]

@1689Baptist

or maybe you should not follow Clark, but Christ.

many blesses.

[1689Baptist]

@777cata Clark is commentating about Christ the question is is he right or not?

[TCMAO0]

@1689Baptist Amen!

[Blogrich55]

Monty likes to lie and pretend we deny the 3rd use of the law. Yet this is EXACTLY what Lightspeed52 and I have ALWAYS taught. We have NEVER taught that obedience to the law was part of justification. Justification by faith alone is the sufficient cause and sanctification is the necessary effect.

"It is the purpose of justification to produce holy lives." WDPB? pg 137

Monty should know this. But then truth, integrity, and apparently logic are NOT high on his list of priorities. God bless you!

[1689Baptist]

@Blogrich55 Amen brother, just to let you know Monty is commenting about you over here.

[batman201ful]

redbeetle doese not know how to love others so there for he does not know God for Godis love. 1John 4:7-21