SA-3 GOA S-125 Pechora Missile

[hassans111]

can Pechora system shutdown an simultaneous attack of 10 "storm shadow" missiles or 10 tomahowk missiles ? ---> remember Libya 2011, Pechora fails  .

Any one know ? and thanx

[Piranoga]

@hassans111 And what are you surprised? Defense Pechora 1961 release, then cruise missiles were only in the USSR, the ito only as of experimental. Now, if Gaddafi had not been so stingy and buy S-300 would still be rules. I would look at your "brave warriors" who have murmured to fly to bomb a country where there is a S-300.

[brocalfur]

@hassans111

I really doubt the Libyans started even 1 missile - they failed even in 1986 when their stuff was 25 years younger. They didn't purchase modern system (it was way too late S-300 PMU-1 purchase), they neither maintained nor modified their SAM's (unlike Serbs in 1999 War), the operating skills of theit staff is poor (like Iraq /Syria before), there was zero camouflage and no mock-ups were used. After the war tons of Strela-2 were discovered unused. That alone says much.

[hassans111]

@brocalfur

yes you are right in this points for Libya:

(1) no skills (2) old difference systems.

But for Serbs (in 1999 war), despite Serbs had a big success (F-117 and one or two F-16 were shut down), NATO stay dominate the Serb sky.

[hassans111]

@brocalfur

i want to reach the point that : to shut down any new defense system including (Buk, Tor S300, Pansir, and Patriot of US ), you have 2 way

1) run more attack missiles than the capacity of tracking and destruction in one time of the diffence system

2) run more attack missiles more than they have in defense missiles (consomme defense missiles by no-expensive attack missiles )

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as what happen in Libya despite their old system

[BabiiayEbonyia322]

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[icommand]

the tracking algo seems to be old..it is using gradient method to solve the tracking data ...maybe Conjugate gradient method would have been better...

[krbosak]

@icommand Yes the missile behaves like it would be naturally hesitating between Washington and Moscow.

[SovjetPhoenix]

Stealth doesn't work on Russian Air Defence Systems.

[19834883]

@AmericanStory1 cool Story, is it from a US Movie? whatever, the Russian Defence Sytems s400/500 shot every Jet ore something from the heaven, Russia have allways bueld the best Weapen, but the American people have get a Brainwashet from the USa, so, but ok, now is USA Bankrupt, and Russia and China goes Richer and Richer, and groves Massive up, USA is the To Big too Fall countrie, it wil be come a big poor Time. Remember the USa have no Cultur, and no future!

[steve67hun]

Neva-M, NATO-code Zorro :)

[eloidor]

why Americans always become so belligerant when toching issues like the shootingdown of one of their stealth plane F-117a and the consequent scrapping of the project but is not only that, is always like when sombody tells them how they lost in Corea, how they lost in vietnam, the fact that they already lost the war in Afganistan and Irak (they've murder 2M+ people there but are losing)and how the cars coming from GM are so crappy and Fords so shitty...hm boy become Mule stubborn.

[ClancD]

@eloidor The F-117 wasn't 'scrapped', it was retired after 15 years in service. It was obsolete... We did not lose in Korea, the South is still a thriving democracy, in case you haven't noticed. And Iraq is well on its way to stability. And if Iraq and Afghanistan are murder, then what was Russia doing in Chechnya and Afghanistan? I won't even bring up the utter collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990...

[tropickman]

Invasion of Iraq is no different thatn Nazi invasion of Poland. Iraq posed no threat to USA, nor did it have any involvement with any terrorist organizations. Furthermore, Iraq was US's ally, shortly prior. In Vietnam, US murdered 6 million people, mostly civilians, just as many Jews were murdered by Nazis. As far as US is concerned, no nation caused as much death, destruction, corruption, suffering, and oppression in the last 60 years!

[xtasytube]

@ClancD stability in Iraq? the are in civil war right now with the old Saddam Hussein party controlling the nation again. Korea war still going on non-finished we lost because the Russian shoot down our jets there and china eat our asses in ground. Australia help us to get out of there. Vietnam 2000 russians missiles fired 2000 usa aircraft losses. Soviets now are Rus Fed with more than 45% of earth oil and gas vs Old soviets republics sheeps, cows and lambs.

[krbosak]

@xtasytube 'stability in Iraq? '

Mortality rate has been stabilized!

[brocalfur]

@ClancD

15 years service life is nothing for a bomber aircraft. B-52 will stay in service for severalmore decades and the youngest was built in the early 60s. After thesuccessful performance of the F-117 during Desert Storm that hasty retiring looks really strange to me.

[leonelp51]

Thats right sr ! usually teh SAMs system turn off their radars for avoid anti radiation missiles ( like the AGM 88 or the ALARM ) and the commander zoltan expected an stealth aircraft. No lucky just only an intelligent ( s ) serbian(s) ...

[killsde]

this pechora can destroy a F-16 mlu or block 50??

[delta11434]

Sa-3 is stil effective after Almaz-made upgrade.

Ofcorse it is not SA-11, but it can protect against BGM-109 and even ACM.

But it is useless against modern strike fighters like F-22 and F-35.

[RINIETHEBEST]

It doesn't have to hit the target NOOB MONKEYS, it detonates,and small pieces cut the plane.The F-117A lost its whole right wing when this missile hit the countermeasure!

[brocalfur]

The curse of the F-117:)

This paper aircraft was hastily withdrawn from service after their performance during kosovo war.

[gosciu555]

@brocalfur

Not really, they modified these with heat seeking heads and used ground spotters. The f117 was withdrawn because it was expensive to maintain and getting on in years.

[brocalfur]

We'll possibly never know the detailed circumstances of the shotdown.

All stealthy planes are expensive to maintain. And the f117 is really new compared to most other aircraft in use.

F117 had the lion's share for hits with precision guided munition (during Desert Storm for sure) despite their limited numbers and payload.

[immortal4942]

wait that was not a hit.

[brocalfur]

@immortal4942´

Maybe the small target drone isn't visible at 25 km distance.

[immortal4942]

@brocalfur still no explosion, no hit.

[vicbarth8916]

venezuela buy this system.

[INFANTRIA666]

looks like a swing and a miss to me....

[LadySierraSays]

Target destroyed ? whats up ?

[legionar79]

F-117 is best plane,but S-125 is THE BEST...ask serbian air defence.....respect crazy serbs...:)))

[Lolixelia]

F-117 isnt best plane..USA retired F-117 since it is now shit.

[TributeToTesla]

Greetings from Serbia sorry we did not know that F-117 was invisible:(

[vtkrey]

XD..

[Vilco656]

F-117 is excellent aircraft if used in proper conditions. It is stealth to many radars, however you can't be 100% stealth by any means. Using multiple radars, good receivers and good tactics would eventually lead to it's discovery and therefore destruction. We have combined many things, I mean you had couple of seconds, 10 secs most, to turn on radar and turn it off before NATO plane fires anti0radar missile. S-125 itself is useless if you don't navigate it towards the target.

[krhonhos]

lost missile?

[Bejker7]

F-117 hadn't been shoted down with that type of missiles,even with one older type which had been used in WWII.And yes f-117 sucks especially in air to air combat and without backup of some f-16s.During the 1999th war two of them were hitted but second one successfully landed in Bosnia quite damaged.

P.S. F-117 without stealth technology is practice target for all known ground to air systems!

[PeTTs0n88]

F16s? F*** those, and F117s for that matter, get a few F/A 18's which do the job of both those planes combined, and being able to outmanouver and countermeasure most AA/AAA weaponry today. Although there are several comparable planes today. (Gen 4/4½) Such as the MiG-29/35, SU-27/30/33/35, Shenyang J11, Dassault Rafale, JAS 39 Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and so forth, all of these can basically do both fighter and attack sorties. (Not to mention the few 5th Gen aircraft, even more versatile...)

[Bejker7]

I agreed PeTTs0n88...F-16s are example.There is better aircrafts as you mentioned.I just said that because they operated whit F-117s.

[finchiestiffler79]

f117 sucks. if its really good aircraft why not put them in day missions?

[arnaage]

Thank you F-117 for repeatedly destroying sophisticated air defences with only a single loss.

[pancevac87]

what system ?!?! serbian air defence losts were minimal...

[atesz69]

Yeah, the 4000 is all of us planes including helicopters and planes shot down with small arms,destroyed by partisan actions, shot down by aa guns and destroyed by accidents!

[Skarpania]

Bye Bye F117 Greetings from Serbia

[spencerl2008]

hey douche, only 922 us aircraft were knoked down in vietnam. how could 4,000 of them have been shot down by this missile? get youre logic strait.

[deepto21]

excellent video.. I myself had shot a few of these.. and it works real good.

[TeamVirility]

This rocket was dancing around the target . But it did hit it hard . Ouch

[Piparkakkumauste]

I think target was some type of flare. And flare danced in the air, so missile radar guidance system corrected missiles course.

[N1cholas240]

SU-37 hahahaha.

[My2004STi]

must be fun shooting missles at nothing....

[aviomaster]

THIS one  was used to bring down F-117 in SERBIA ....

[samuraifugitivo]

Not exactly this one, but an upgrade of this (the pechora 2m upgrade). During vietnam war this missiles (the old version) were responsable for knocking down at least 4000 us aircrafts.

[TeslaGenius]

@aviomaster

true BUT old not upgraded version

[DaveDoom]

@aviomaster i thought it was an sa 6 ..?

and 117 is shit. stealth tec went a long way since the 117.

[tramvaj12]

@DaveDoom And Radars and guidance systems went long time since 1960.

[DaveDoom]

@tramvaj12 true true..

cant really know who has the technology edge unless you test it out in the field.

all i was sayin is that its not really surprising that the 117 was shot down.

anyway,even if you fly an F-22 or other modern stealth fighter. there's always a chance a radar will pick you up.

depends on the range,weather,topography and of course the kind of AA system.

[tramvaj12]

@DaveDoom OF course F-22 is the good in the way it is built it, but use it reckless and it will be crashed for bad maintenance not because of missile. As every single plane can crash by no other factor every system can fail as well. So it is practically race and upgrading the existence systems and building new one. I love ADM systems cause they are used in defense purpose and planes are for attackers. If you understand what I mean. I love upgraded S-125 named Pechora 2M.

[DaveDoom]

@tramvaj12 yea i love ADM's too.

but aircraft are not mainly used to attack.

the western "code" uses planes for air defense.

while the eastern "code" uses ADM's..

think about it. for example when an USAF aircraft gets into iran. they shoot it from the ground. while if an aircraft is in US air space or any other "western" country it will be intercepted by other fighters

[tramvaj12]

@DaveDoom Yes you are right but that why are we calling interception planes. But I think the best defense is good ADM's and interception jets (not bombers), and for that if someone have problems with it he has attention of attacking you.

[DaveDoom]

@tramvaj12 these days any interception plane can be a ground attack plane.

like an F-16 attacking ground units.

so youre not completely right...

but i see where you mean.

[tramvaj12]

@DaveDoom Yes you are right but still it is not posses danger as much as one heavy bomber. That is simply multi role category and it is necessary Evil to have. As simple as US and Russia wont go to full scale attack as one Of them use Nuclear war head we are all doomed. But with complex ADM's and and planes for intercepting air and ground forces in some point. You are highly vulnerable to attack . So that is literally talking necessary evil to have to protect yourself these days.

[ODZADZE]

i am a serb,after war of kosovo,i work in "250 raketnoj brigadi",7-8 divizion(this guy's down F-117),placed in jakovo,with s-125"neva",with lamp 60,s tehnology.this sistem is very old but works.8 serbian sistem against 1300+ nato aircrafts realy fair,but we crush many u.s. aircrafts like a-10,f-16,f-15e(with lantrin) i see part of this aircraft in serbian generalstab and museum.and stelth aircrafts like f-117 is visible at range of 70km,or 8km with jaming.that is fact,it's not really stelt...

[gosciu555]

did they use scouts with night vision and long wave radar, did they use the missiles as flak guns? curious, plz be honest.

[Avengadfly]

very interesting. do you have some figures how many aircraft may have been shot down?

[DaveDoom]

@ODZADZE ever took down a b-2 spirt?

[pancevac87]

Thank you mother Russia for building this s-125 Neva system...

Serbia used it well..

f-117-a-ha-ha-ha

[Matanjun]

Just Use Radar Jamming Consufe It Radar Then Use Laser Guided Missile To Knock It Out. Iraq Have A Lot Of This SAM All Knock out.

[granicd]

Why didnt that work in Serbia then? lol

[xwishmasterx]

f-16s battled a lot with those missiles in some cases..

There are some hits in serbia and iraq.

[REK1DZ]

because in Irak russians gave code of lot different Iraki's SAM to US But the Russians have not betrayed the Serbs in the same way

[randomusernamemygod]

Wouldnt say Russia betrayed Iraq, Iraq was a US ally before Desert Storm, although 50's 70's it was sorta allied to Russia. One of the main factors why Serb forces didnt lose as many was terrain and the fact they didnt leave their raders scanning, instead they switched their systems on when they knew an aircraft is heading their way and effectivily ambushing them like the F117. US got the codes from Iraq systems because the Iraqi's gave it to them.

[tramvaj12]

@Matanjun That why you do not turn on the radar or turn on for few seconds and run. Iraq is to proud to fight reasonable.

[immortal4942]

this is the missile that took down the f-117 nighthawk stealth fighter in serbia! great vid

[nazirdjon]

no it's not. the one that got down f117 had been built in mid 60th and uses a longer wawe to track objects

[ysblueangels]

excellent vid. thanks.

[ccf1971]

Chalmers Johnson (Ex-CIA) said that the US military is putting up 14 bases in an imperialist expansion.

Pat Buchanan said that the only reason the military is over there is to destabilize the region. What do you guys believe?

[djsal510]

too bad we have to pull out of iraq another lost war just like vietnam. also looks like our currency is going down as well and china becoming a super power which has enough US money to put us in very big depth.

[fileworker]

wow speedy konsales.

[Scott11078]

Sweet how do you buy yhtem? lol! I need a comprehensive AA system for my back yard, stupid airport

[oakleaf400]

cool I love sams

[TocTep]

I what dream did you see Iraq having sophisticated anti-air weapons ?

Crew knew the flightpath? Wow- serbs have some decent intelligence. Bay doors open - plane is shot? One way ticket then? I don't think designers of the F117 were working with that idea in mind. Boxer is right - it must be good radar system.

[ballsackzz]

Radar doesn't have a thing to do with it. Like blackwind said the Serbs actually saw the plane, and since it's bay door was open, they could paint and fire at it. Iraq had many SA-3 launchers, and they didn't do much at all to the coalition air force.

[fludblud]

you gotta remember that Iraq's radar network had been completely destroyed prior to the invasion by hundreds of tomahawks, they wouldve been firing blind.

[skinnadoor]

Excellent video, excellent sound, the little beeping you hear is radar sweep interfeering with the camcorder....

Awsome... Iran is full of ANti air missiles....

[apsba]

you do realize of course, that this type of SAM is available for civilian usage with the correct permits.

[gareth85k]

Sure this is the upgraded version. latest Egypt has recently modernised its older sa systems

[BoxerTheSpaceDog]

Also Nato received a message of a pilot that shot down the plane,message was well documented and stated:Sorry we didn't know it was Stealth,if we did know we wouldn't shoot it down,how did that pilot know which plane was shot if he hasn't been given an order to take him down himself?Read books, magazines,visit web sites,do your own research and then write,all you have are rumours and street talk,GENIOUS!

[drleeet]

nope just 1 because of a fluky lock from an sa-6 when the bomb bay opened.

[BoxerTheSpaceDog]

Iam just loving this neverending shortage of shallow brain power.Since you called me a lier answer this:Bomb bay doors open,must be a damn good radar.How was he shot when Nato tested serbian defence capability and they were bombing from greater hights than 15000 feet,exact hight where none of known serbian defence could penetrate?How many f-117 were used in operation?How did serbian army know these bombers will be used that night?

[BoxerTheSpaceDog]

Since you answered,let me replay.I dont know which version you heard,I read whole story about our pilots before,during and after the war,their lives now and then.Pilotstating his name and rank described full operation.3 f-117 were shot down and you know of only one.Second fell in Rp Srpska near borded, third landed on Zagreb airport damaged.

[ballsackzz]

you need to polish up on your reading comprehension or stop reading Russian military forums. It was just one, and basically the freaking stars aligned for those Serbs with that f-117. Trust me, it was more than a little of a fluke :P

[NikolaAU]

Yes it maybe one, but that is the first spy plane ever shot down, lost enemy's of the US would like to see that wreckage get there hands on it. Also that wreckage has gone to Russia now.

[SerbCowboy]

This is missile which shot down F-117A over Serbia during NATO agression.

[BoxerTheSpaceDog]

Wrong,F-117 was shot down by MIG-21,which had the only mission to take it down after it was cought in a web of radio interferance.Have you seen bulletholes on wings?After not answering friendly/foe signal.

[ejd715]

a mig 21 fishbed shot down a F-117? how is that possible? that is a VERY old aircraft.

[BoxerTheSpaceDog]

In military possibilities are endless,beleive it or not everyone and everything thats seen can be shoot.Maybe you wouldnt beleive untill it was happening in front of your eyes!

[tanchist]

bulletholes? have you heard of aamg? JNA has/had ZSU-23-4 and many other such armament. but it was brought down by SA-6. the f-117 was flying low and the battery radar tracked it while the bomb bay doors were opened I think. this is the official version.

[zverraban]

No,you are both wrong, it was shot by older version of SA 3, so called NEVA, and P 15 radar, working on frequency under 1 GHz

[dshortey]

The Czech-made "Tamara" anti-aircraft radar system was used as the Target Acquisition platform to track the F-117 when its bomb bay doors were open. It just so happens that the SA-6 Gainful or NIIP\Vympel 2K12 "Kub" SAM weapon system was inferaced with that radar system. Any other medium-level air defense system wouldve done the job too.

[BoxerTheSpaceDog]

Read all of my comments and you than answer me what I allready asked one idiot who never replied.Must be damn good radar system,thats what I told him and I tell you too.Opening dors triggers it?Come on you dont have a clue about military.Evry Stealth plane opens doors same way,they knew about your radar,others say it got stuck?How than does really work?And if your story is true US goverment just pissed away over 100bil for that failure.