This really makes me laugh. One of the key parts of writing songs is garnering inspiration from other artists. If you pick up ANY songwriting book, or talk to any song writer, you'll know how much people like to repeat popular beats/sounds. None of this is new. You didn't even TRY to introduce any of Yoko's other fabulous works, that these artists couldn't even begin to imitate.
This is a common thing, many films that can't get the rights to certain songs cover them. Listen to some of Yoko's original works. They are still outstanding.
@webshadow69 Why the hell would you draw inspiration from a woman who's literally made money from the works she has blatantly stole? Sure you can say she ''opened your horizons'', but what good is it if you listened to a plagiarist as a medium? Instead of listening to the rolling stones, spiritualized, or any other artist she stole from, you had to listen to her playing back the same song. So who do you thank? 'Ms. Kanno', or the artists she stole from?
Well to be fair; yes there are similarities in those songs. On the other hand; Those songs are what, 2%, perhaps 5% of projects she created? Can't have 'em all now can we?
Find an attractive chord progression that's never been used in a popular, or once mainstream song in any genre (Hint: You can't).
Now, once you've chosen a chord progression, you're more or less stuck to a certain group of notes for the length of each chord, with which to build a melody. Especially in songs where the melodies contain long notes and few transitions.
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500 characters is not long enough to rant/explain this.
She is a composer, a composer, that is part of their job. Also all those songs you matched with hers are rip offs from other music that has been made in past. Why can't people think of that instead of talking bad about her.
I wonder why the people here is like: OMFG! I can't believe it! She really did that?
And others who try to poorly defend Kanno, like if she's some sort of japaneese Stravinsky. Get over with it, shes not 100% ORIGINAL. But even if I lost half of the respect I haved to Ms.Kanno as a compositor, I'm never tired of hearing her music, because thanks to her, she opened my horizons in tastes in music.
Thank you Ms. Kanno, you may not be the great compositor I once knew, but you inspire me.
I noticed years ago that, starting with Bebop, Kanno seemed to make lots of homages/rip-offs to other songs (which made sense considering the bebop series made LOTS of homages apart from music), but then got out of hand.
Can't doubt her quality as a composer looking at her other work, so I wonder why she made so many of these blatant rip-offs (too many tight deadlines?).
Yoko Kanno didnt plagiarize anything. and it happens in other animes..search proto star blue gender and then Vast Here..and the term is COVER...and almost EVERY band in existence have done this...leets name a few: Guns and Roses, Rolling Stones, Animals, Hendrix, and even pink floyd...and very sadly...glee...so yeah...derp herp u arent smart
@sorfobos Ghost in the Shell the movie is, but Stand Alone Complex came out after the Matrix came out. Yoko Kanno did not do the soundtrack for the 95 movie. That was Kenji Kawai.
I think its even more amazing that Kanno has such a eclectic knowledge of music. Being able to extract all of these wonderful tracks and putting them into a coherent soundtrack and adding her own flair is what truly makes Kanno stand out.
Ever notice how sometimes the tunes they use as background music sound familiar to other famous songs?
That's because often times it's too expensive to get the rights for the song, or they just couldn't acquire them.
Really common. One example that comes to mind is how Eye of the Tiger is remade slightly different, just enough to avoid copyright when it's used in a show.
Sorry, you can't "steal" style. if that was the case every musician in the last 30 years owes royalties to one of about 4 or 5 bands that started in the middle of the last century.
might want to look into defintions of plagiarism and copyright infringment in regards to music. none of these would be strong enough to hold up in a court of law.
Welcome to the realization that every musician knows, most musical avenues have been explored by now. Every generations of composers has written stuff similar to what has come before, and in jazz the use of lead sheets is the perfect example of how rearranging a piece is common practice. It is not really "stealing," but if you want to make it that dramatic you can. It is just the nature of the bizz. See Big Band, Swing, Dixieland, ect for many more examples of this kind of stuff.
I think the only songs that really feel blatantly stolen/lifted from other songs are the work she did on Wolf's Rain -- everything else just seems only slightly similar in very small/ignorable ways.
She's a very entertaining and talented composer and creates some very beautiful music when she doesn't "borrow" from a ton of other artists. I still listen and love her work but have lost a lot of respect and admiration for her. I hear she's a very sweet lady though and probably quite wealthy so who cares if she lost my respect huh? lol
Well there goes half of my respect for Yoko Kanno, but maybe I respected her too much to begin with. I guess this is what Stravinsky meant when he said "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal."
1) None of these really sound like direct ripoffs to me. 2) All of her best songs don't sound like anything else - the best from the Bebop soundtrack? 3) The madeup language contained in most of her best songs doesn't come from anywhere else. 4) Even on the ones she might have stolen from, her mixes and sense of rhythm are better. 5) The fact that you did this makes me sad in general. Find something better to do with your life, please.
You're also forgetting something else... She writes music for a demographic that is promordially Japanese. I think it's great that Japanese get to hear such variety. Damn she's like a bridge between East and West. Don't slander, please respect.
I don't mind giving a free pass to other forms of media (movies, video games, television shows, books, etc.) when it comes to copying, because there are plenty of opportunities to flesh out the content, but with music, it's just so much harder to try and mask something that you are copying...
Either your song sounds like a blatant rip-off or it doesn't. There are very rarely any true 'coincidences' when it comes to music. It doesn't matter how hard you try to mask it, people will be able to hear it a mile away.
Some people are just retarded when it comes to respecting other people's creativity. It would be one thing to bootleg my stuff and obtain it for free... but if you ever take my work, CHANGE ONLY A FEW MINOR THINGS, and slap your name on it I would be pretty pissed.
Like I said, editing makes a big difference. Almost any band could have this done to them and it would look like every song was copied from someone else. For example, Stealth by Way Out West is not a particularly original song. And could be compared with several artists in the same way. Also, just look at how much stuff was 'stolen' by even the Beatles. This is an interesting video, but plagiarism (remember what that actually means) - I don't see it, or at least no more than any other artist.
No disrespect intended, but there is quite a big difference between plagiarism (which is quite a big allegation) and two songs sounding alike. This video highlights a group of songs that sound alike. Don't get me wrong, but when someone has written as many songs as Yoko Kanno has and in so many genres, it would be extremely unlikely that none would sound alike. Beware the power of editing. Some of these songs are not especially close to Yoko's in terms of note & chord progression.
Plagiarist is a heavy word to toss around. Fact of the matter is, she makes a lot of good music and a lot of great music, and she does in consistently. She also has a dozen genres to work in, so it's no surprise that sometimes she'll make something that happens to sound like an existing work, or she'll hear something she likes and says, "I can do that better."
I just heard "Space Junk" by wang chung, and I knew Kanno took that song for a cowboy bebop track, anyone know which one it is? I can't find it, bit its pretty much the same song.
Also which artist did she rip off "Blue" from the Cowboy Bebop ost? b/c I really would like to listen to that artist hahaha
i think what's gone on here is there similar in structure there are similar cords but if you look at it music in all is only 7 notes just in different octaves and pitches so is there really plagiarism or coincidence and how do you know she didn't credit any one of if it is her rendition of a piece some peony write music then sell it to artists to preform and it can be sold to different artists
I'm pretty sure you all need to check out the albums of the soundtracks and check the liner notes. It's very possibly she respectfully credited all the artists in question. Keep in mind that you all could be blowing this totally out of proportion and should consider this before you call her a thief: inspiration is all over and you see "stolen" chord structures all over rock music and music in general, today.
the fact that most "musicians" these days are unoriginal thieving prats in no way makes stealing acceptable.
there's a difference between inspiration and plagiarism, and when you have sections that sound EXACTLY the same (as a few of the examples did), dude... that's thievery, no matter how you dress it up. Just because she added a note before or after it doesn't make it her own.
I could copy the mona lisa and give her a goddamned fedora. Changing things about to disguise the act makes it worse.
Musicians have been "ripping off" each other for years and years and years and years..... This isn't anything new. Have some of you not heard of Led Zeppelin? A very famous, well respected band?
Yoko Kanno, to me, seems to not be an artist who aims to be 100% original. She's someone who aims to have fun with music.
@TheBackseatJesus Led Zeppelin have had some seriouse court actions ya know? they were guilty for serious ripping off from many blues bands and musicians... Saying taht plagiarism is old thing ain't excuse for me. There are killers, whores etc. for ages but we still, as a kind, hunt them, by law, by social ostracism etc. And I can't say I don't like her works but have some dignity!
"Led Zeppelin have had some seriouse court actions ya know? they were guilty for serious ripping off from many blues bands and musicians"
And those blues artists ripped off other artists, so they're completing a circle of stealing.
"Saying taht plagiarism is old thing ain't excuse for me."
I'm not saying at all it's excusable because it's old. I'm saying it happens all the time, so no one should be surprised when they find out someone ripped someone else off
@Grzegrzolka "There are killers, whores etc. for ages but we still, as a kind, hunt them, by law, by social ostracism etc."
Did you really just compare stealing to murder? Are you serious? We only hunt them down for money.
"And I can't say I don't like her works but have some dignity!"
Dignity? The entire copyright system is completely and utterly BULLSHIT. True, it gives artists the illusion that their work is safe, but many artist don't even own their work. The companies they work for own them
I see no reason why this is a big issue, she credited everyone in her album. If she was really doing something wrong then she should've gotten herself sued.
Actually it's pretty likely there is some plagarisation, but not for the reasons you think. The scores for films and television are the last part of production, after the sound foley and before release. This means they're always a squeeze, most Hollywood films scores are written, arranged and performed in under 2 weeks. This means the films are edited to a temporary soundtrack, often the directors and editors favorite music or older scores.
@crikeythesplund So by the time the editings finished directors end up rather attached to the temp soundtrack and the poor score composer will come in to be told "i want the score like this and about as long." So the composer does their best in the time they've got and get paid. Seriously it's a tough life being a composer for film and television. There are a few cases where the composer gets to see the early editing or the actual filming (Morricone and Leone for example) but its the exeption
The same can be said about any artist really, just search hard and long and you'll find similar songs for anyone.... there's a limited amount of notes and progressions in music before you start just making bad sounds for the sake of being unique. The fathers and mothers of modern music are heard daily, I could care less as long as you bring something new to the song / notes, which in 90% of Yoko Kanno's case, she does (in my fan-boy opinion)
@JAhU00 I agree, but all in all only 2 or 3 of the songs would I agree are "rip offs" while the rest are just similar to me. Still disappointing since I like her work, but yeah
@boojitsu Well there are some of those that are almost exactly the same, but most differ a bit. I figured out that she copies other composers on my own (after listening to number of her albums). Titles of some of her songs point the original ones. She also copies a fair number of classical composers like Tchaikovsky or Chopin (also Ravel and Gershwin). Sometimes rather than copying songs she copies style of particular composers.
P.S. In Napple Tale OST she copied Goran Bregović.
just now found out about this.. this is more than just using similar chord progressions, she's taking significant parts of songs and copying them basically unchanged. she must not have any respect to the original composers to be so blatant with her plagiarism
GOD ITS SO FUCKIN HARD TO GET THAT RECORDED WHITE NOISE GRAIN GROM THE 90's!!! i frickin love it. in all my recorded works i cant get it to sound anywhere close to that
i noticed the hooverphonic one myself. in her defense, when you're a soundtrack composer, you are often given specific direction, and it's not unheard of for the composer to be handed a bunch of other artists CDs and be told to "make it sound like this!". the doom soundtrack is a famous example of that.
PS you missed "where does the ocean go" = bjork's "hyperballed".
sure she borrows sound ideas from here and there, but she always makes it into something new and amazing. i'm a huge fan of hers
I've had a great admiration for Kanno. I've thought 'How many style music can she compose, and moreover every tunes are so cool ! '... What a shame! They are just a bunch of plagiarized works! OMG! She obviously stole these songs. I'm so shocked and bummed...(TT)
@rhapsodyblue56 stuff like this wouldnt bother me if people said they did their own variation.
it's not like musicians of the past whom everyone respects didn't write their own variations of pieces. but they called them variations from the start.
but I am a bit disappointed. i thought she was incredible
Cyberbird was an obvious homage but she's the greatest and if you have a variety of taste in music and not just one genre of music then decide to become a musical composer you can't just have one taste in music it will be everything. I'm not surprised by this because listening to her music sometimes a certain song will sound like another song but she's the best in my opinion there really is no one like her!!!! But I do wish there was more of Ichiko Hashimoto, another great composer!!!!
@takomarumk5 This is true but it doesn't change the fact that she copied large parts of these songs while giving the impression that they're all-original.
Also the video response kid who turned off comments is a pussy.
U know this reminds me, Americans may have been the first to create the car, but the Japanese refined car making to the point where Japanese cars are now superior to the American cars.
As a composer(not in commercial music), I can say she may have her talent, of course, but stole too many musics. These samples are just discovered because commons only perceive the mood of the music. But there exist very sophisticate 'songs' which are directly derived from the originals. I won't present them all for now.
Well, all the songs shown in this video are the ones made for specific soundtracks where most probably the person that asked for them had something in mind or similar to show, so they could get to a final product and YK does a pretty good job at making good songs that go through the "same concept lines". But anyways, this is a nice video. Just in case, try to listen to the albums The Creation and 23時の音楽. You will probably get to know how of an amazing composer she is ;D
Why do you have to hate on something good? And besides, I prefer Yoko Kanno's "Versions" of all of these songs better than their originals anyway. If you have to hate on an abstraction in the creative process, what do you say to Flat-out copy and destroying of good music like the new "Spin me right round" garbage that is coming out and all the other remixes of old songs? But sure, you're right, how dare anything sound remotely similar.
is it not entirely possible that these are 'homages' to those particular tracks? re-arrangements, covers and such for songs happens all the time, just enjoy the fucking music! i don't hear you complaining about kid rock's sweet home alabame cover... [which was garbage btw]
I always thought that "Stray" from "Wolf's Rain" sounded familiar to me, and then I finally figured it out...it had to have been "inspired" by "If It Were You" by the band Chicago. Similar bass lines, similar singers, similar tone. It's too coincidental.
I know all the anime fans are saying, "Artists do this all the time". But it seems like Yoko Kanno does this A LOT. I mean, WAY WAY more than another composer would.
I think we can still respect her for "elevating" anime music and bringing lots of other different styles from the real world into her OSTs. But you need to realize that she's not a 100% genius. Good music compiler and composer with some great original pieces. But not the next Mozart like so many otaku say she is.
She's a composer for animes, not a musician. It's not about trying to make an original song and selling it on cds. It's about what fits the mood of the scene.
My fave tracks from Ghost In The Shell include "Siberian Doll House", "Smile", "I Can't Be Cool", and "Inner Universe". Surely those must be original?
In her defense in the Cowboy Bebop movie interview she admits that she frequently goes to America to observe and absorb the various music scenes of America, whether its Jazz/Blues,spaghetti western(Enio Morricone) for Cowboy Bebop, to new age techno/rave and electronica for Ghost in the Shell. She is INFLUENCED by OUR diverse cultural and rich music. Should Quentin Tarantino get sued by Sergio Leone for being ASPIRED by the Dollar series when creating the Kill Bill Movies, her music is wonderful
some of her fans are really crazy. It's okay cus her version is better? she have stolen fuckin many songs from others, they are victims. how can you say that? then if your friend steal your clothes and she looks more great with your clothes on than you, then is it okay and it becomes her clothes? wow
Im not arguing that its right or wong, im saying it just happens. People rip off, steal, and borrow art from each other all the time, are we going to say the aztecs ripped off the egyptians because they built pyramids- no. I like all the songs that were played, who cares what they sound like, get over it.
I really think everyone needs to get over how "unoriginal" she is, there are hundreds upon thousands of works out there that use the same mood, notes, chords and for the most part same song- maybe with different lyrics maybe with none at all- but its out there- people that don't even realize they have copied- its just like drawing, or painting or graphic design.
After watching this I suggest people check out Everything is a remix on youtube
Americanbadashh 2 days ago
This really makes me laugh. One of the key parts of writing songs is garnering inspiration from other artists. If you pick up ANY songwriting book, or talk to any song writer, you'll know how much people like to repeat popular beats/sounds. None of this is new. You didn't even TRY to introduce any of Yoko's other fabulous works, that these artists couldn't even begin to imitate.
Orochimarusbitch 3 days ago
Spritualized might not be the best group to compare to, considering they took most of there riffs from the Doors.
pwetzig 4 days ago
パクってないにしろ、たまたま似てしまって仕方ないで済まされるレベルじゃないな。
buffalion 1 week ago
This is a common thing, many films that can't get the rights to certain songs cover them. Listen to some of Yoko's original works. They are still outstanding.
MegaWattzMan 2 weeks ago
@webshadow69 Why the hell would you draw inspiration from a woman who's literally made money from the works she has blatantly stole? Sure you can say she ''opened your horizons'', but what good is it if you listened to a plagiarist as a medium? Instead of listening to the rolling stones, spiritualized, or any other artist she stole from, you had to listen to her playing back the same song. So who do you thank? 'Ms. Kanno', or the artists she stole from?
AXSR388 2 weeks ago
@AXSR388 What are the chances he'd be exposed to that kind of music without her?
knifeofspaghetti 2 weeks ago
Most of these are from the bottom third of her discography, you don't attack her more legendary songs.
knifeofspaghetti 2 weeks ago
@knifeofspaghetti Like Inner Universe or Rain.
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knifeofspaghetti 2 weeks ago
Can't believe she steals music
JapaneseModernist 2 weeks ago
Good artists borrow, great artists steal. - Pablo Picasso
RedAnimus 1 month ago 2
there are just similarities seriously guys x)
Omoraru 1 month ago
Yoko Kanno should've written the soundtrack for The Matrix. That would've been cool...
bobchuseby 1 month ago
そっくりでショックでした。えーー？全ての曲が根源が同じとは思わないけれど、少なくとも数曲は影響受け過ぎ。ショック。
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Well to be fair; yes there are similarities in those songs. On the other hand; Those songs are what, 2%, perhaps 5% of projects she created? Can't have 'em all now can we?
ReturnofMichiko 2 months ago
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ReturnofMichiko 2 months ago
I don't even know where to start on these....
Why not with this:
Find an attractive chord progression that's never been used in a popular, or once mainstream song in any genre (Hint: You can't).
Now, once you've chosen a chord progression, you're more or less stuck to a certain group of notes for the length of each chord, with which to build a melody. Especially in songs where the melodies contain long notes and few transitions.
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500 characters is not long enough to rant/explain this.
JibbyDaPanda 2 months ago 3
@JibbyDaPanda You're saying bullshit ?
Omoraru 1 month ago
I'm not convinced. Just showing similarities isn't enough.
atjnAdfhhjea 2 months ago
@atjnAdfhhjea Battersea and Cyber Bird are nearly identical.
desu38 2 months ago
She is a composer, a composer, that is part of their job. Also all those songs you matched with hers are rip offs from other music that has been made in past. Why can't people think of that instead of talking bad about her.
dbinder1980 3 months ago
I wonder why the people here is like: OMFG! I can't believe it! She really did that?
And others who try to poorly defend Kanno, like if she's some sort of japaneese Stravinsky. Get over with it, shes not 100% ORIGINAL. But even if I lost half of the respect I haved to Ms.Kanno as a compositor, I'm never tired of hearing her music, because thanks to her, she opened my horizons in tastes in music.
Thank you Ms. Kanno, you may not be the great compositor I once knew, but you inspire me.
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@webshadow69 > implying the firebird isn't just scriabin's poeme de l'exstase with more ravellian orchestration
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webshadow69 3 months ago
I noticed years ago that, starting with Bebop, Kanno seemed to make lots of homages/rip-offs to other songs (which made sense considering the bebop series made LOTS of homages apart from music), but then got out of hand.
Can't doubt her quality as a composer looking at her other work, so I wonder why she made so many of these blatant rip-offs (too many tight deadlines?).
fmcato 3 months ago 2
werewolves of london sounds a lot like sweet home alabama :P
7SinfulPleasures 3 months ago
"Good artists copy; great artists steal”
--Pablo Picasso
Sadalmelek 3 months ago
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Yoko Kanno didnt plagiarize anything. and it happens in other animes..search proto star blue gender and then Vast Here..and the term is COVER...and almost EVERY band in existence have done this...leets name a few: Guns and Roses, Rolling Stones, Animals, Hendrix, and even pink floyd...and very sadly...glee...so yeah...derp herp u arent smart
linkfreak117 4 months ago
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linkfreak117 4 months ago
ghost in the shell is way older than matrix, cowboy bebeop is also before matrix
sorfobos 4 months ago
@sorfobos Ghost in the Shell the movie is, but Stand Alone Complex came out after the Matrix came out. Yoko Kanno did not do the soundtrack for the 95 movie. That was Kenji Kawai.
MotokoStarwind 4 months ago
@MotokoStarwind Who is a sexy beast.
DabelonX 3 months ago
And also, its the Matrix that copied Ghost in the Shell. In terms of the plot concept.
super999999 4 months ago
I think its even more amazing that Kanno has such a eclectic knowledge of music. Being able to extract all of these wonderful tracks and putting them into a coherent soundtrack and adding her own flair is what truly makes Kanno stand out.
super999999 4 months ago
Ever watch a low budget show?
Ever notice how sometimes the tunes they use as background music sound familiar to other famous songs?
That's because often times it's too expensive to get the rights for the song, or they just couldn't acquire them.
Really common. One example that comes to mind is how Eye of the Tiger is remade slightly different, just enough to avoid copyright when it's used in a show.
cptcool123 4 months ago
だから？
誰も本人に訴えてないんだけど？
xburnerhyper 4 months ago
wait a minute dude, cowboy bebop is way much older than matrix!
massakidi 4 months ago
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thief thief thief thief!!!
jmewhyte 5 months ago
thief thief thief thief!!!
jmewhyte 5 months ago
i dont care what you think, it sounds beautiful. stolen or not... who gives a fuck.
BvLLSHlT 5 months ago
She took meh music and made it better. Why isn't there a word for positive plagiarism?
Wowaddict1701 5 months ago
@Wowaddict1701 Its called a remix
heroyaw 5 months ago
@heroyaw So what do you call a bad remix?
Wowaddict1701 5 months ago
Sorry, you can't "steal" style. if that was the case every musician in the last 30 years owes royalties to one of about 4 or 5 bands that started in the middle of the last century.
OniOokamiAlfador 5 months ago
not really impressive, yoko kanno still rocks to me.
Geoh1990 5 months ago
might want to look into defintions of plagiarism and copyright infringment in regards to music. none of these would be strong enough to hold up in a court of law.
feedingear 5 months ago
ヒットしてないから被害はないのでは(笑)。
fujiiyhk 6 months ago
内容はどうであれ日本の恥を世界に広めて何が楽しいんでしょう？yuta84001 さんはもしかしてパクリで有名なお隣の国の方なのですか？そうでないのなら、日本の国益にならない行為（=売国奴）はやめた方が良いと思いますよ。
wannabejapan 6 months ago
Welcome to the realization that every musician knows, most musical avenues have been explored by now. Every generations of composers has written stuff similar to what has come before, and in jazz the use of lead sheets is the perfect example of how rearranging a piece is common practice. It is not really "stealing," but if you want to make it that dramatic you can. It is just the nature of the bizz. See Big Band, Swing, Dixieland, ect for many more examples of this kind of stuff.
ngodoy247 6 months ago 4
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources" - Albert Einstein.
'Nuff said.
TrenMT 6 months ago 4
ほんとこりゃひどいわ、、、、ここまで真似して 恥ずかしいね
1224Hockeygirl 6 months ago
How about "Ask DNA" and "It's too late" - Carole KIng
that one is the exact same riff :/
MrShoryuken1 6 months ago
I think the only songs that really feel blatantly stolen/lifted from other songs are the work she did on Wolf's Rain -- everything else just seems only slightly similar in very small/ignorable ways.
KayneArcheron 7 months ago
did you know that Elvis stole all his music from Michael Jackson?
blindedby2monkeys 7 months ago
@blindedby2monkeys really? who came first the chicken or the child rapist?
ks610 7 months ago
I have to say I'm gutted...gutted that a genius like Kanno would take "inspiration" from an over-rated piece of garbage like Tom Waits.
If you're gonna, ahem, "adopt" the music of other people (and this is something that many artists do), then have some taste...
MrJtl73 8 months ago
She's a very entertaining and talented composer and creates some very beautiful music when she doesn't "borrow" from a ton of other artists. I still listen and love her work but have lost a lot of respect and admiration for her. I hear she's a very sweet lady though and probably quite wealthy so who cares if she lost my respect huh? lol
clairefedfield 8 months ago
artists "steal" or "borrow" from other artists all the time..
HerGuardianAngel1991 8 months ago
I've noticed something...all of these songs are pretty dull.
BalisongAbraxas 8 months ago
Well there goes half of my respect for Yoko Kanno, but maybe I respected her too much to begin with. I guess this is what Stravinsky meant when he said "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal."
tadashibashi 8 months ago
1) None of these really sound like direct ripoffs to me. 2) All of her best songs don't sound like anything else - the best from the Bebop soundtrack? 3) The madeup language contained in most of her best songs doesn't come from anywhere else. 4) Even on the ones she might have stolen from, her mixes and sense of rhythm are better. 5) The fact that you did this makes me sad in general. Find something better to do with your life, please.
SleepingDogStudios 9 months ago
@SleepingDogStudios stop fooling yourself, it's plagiarism no matter how you look at it.
RRRRapify 8 months ago
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@RRRRapify Find something better to do with your life.
SleepingDogStudios 8 months ago
If she copied those songs then every friggen' country song was a rip of of a another country song because they all sound EXACTLY the same.
darkwolfryu 9 months ago
lmao look at all the weeaboos defending kanno
opsimathics 10 months ago 7
"Cowboy Bebop 01"
April 1998 = 2001?
KatayokoNoTenshi 10 months ago 3
You're also forgetting something else... She writes music for a demographic that is promordially Japanese. I think it's great that Japanese get to hear such variety. Damn she's like a bridge between East and West. Don't slander, please respect.
Tweedl3Dee 10 months ago
I should also point out covering other peoples songs is totally cool so long that you specify that your doing a cover.
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capnbarfy 11 months ago
I don't mind giving a free pass to other forms of media (movies, video games, television shows, books, etc.) when it comes to copying, because there are plenty of opportunities to flesh out the content, but with music, it's just so much harder to try and mask something that you are copying...
capnbarfy 11 months ago
Either your song sounds like a blatant rip-off or it doesn't. There are very rarely any true 'coincidences' when it comes to music. It doesn't matter how hard you try to mask it, people will be able to hear it a mile away.
Some people are just retarded when it comes to respecting other people's creativity. It would be one thing to bootleg my stuff and obtain it for free... but if you ever take my work, CHANGE ONLY A FEW MINOR THINGS, and slap your name on it I would be pretty pissed.
capnbarfy 11 months ago 3
this video series is full of fail
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
this seriously ruined my day, week and year. i can't believe it. ugh D:
kittenz737 1 year ago 4
@kittenz737 Same here, man. Feels bad.
ElMisionero96 10 months ago
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You can also add this one to the list of her steals
"Know Your Enemy" in Stand Alone Complex OST 3
Total rip-off of Craig Armstrong's track: Weather Storm ("The Space Between Us" album in 1997)
ProuteurFou 1 year ago
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You can also add this one to the list of her steals
"Know Your Enemy" in Stand Alone Complex OST 3
which is a total rip-off of Craig Armstrong's track: Weather Storm ("The Space Between Us" album in 1997)
ProuteurFou 1 year ago
Like I said, editing makes a big difference. Almost any band could have this done to them and it would look like every song was copied from someone else. For example, Stealth by Way Out West is not a particularly original song. And could be compared with several artists in the same way. Also, just look at how much stuff was 'stolen' by even the Beatles. This is an interesting video, but plagiarism (remember what that actually means) - I don't see it, or at least no more than any other artist.
johntgw 1 year ago 3
No disrespect intended, but there is quite a big difference between plagiarism (which is quite a big allegation) and two songs sounding alike. This video highlights a group of songs that sound alike. Don't get me wrong, but when someone has written as many songs as Yoko Kanno has and in so many genres, it would be extremely unlikely that none would sound alike. Beware the power of editing. Some of these songs are not especially close to Yoko's in terms of note & chord progression.
johntgw 1 year ago 5
Plagiarist is a heavy word to toss around. Fact of the matter is, she makes a lot of good music and a lot of great music, and she does in consistently. She also has a dozen genres to work in, so it's no surprise that sometimes she'll make something that happens to sound like an existing work, or she'll hear something she likes and says, "I can do that better."
RevolverPhantom 1 year ago
wow, i've noticed a few but I didn't know there were so many. I don't care though, I just listen to what I like, copied or not, legal or not.
RRRRapify 1 year ago
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Yoko you cunt, get your own material. smh
xxkarinaaxx 1 year ago
what do you know, i'm NOT the only one who knows Hooverphonic! :D
ChileanIggy 1 year ago
@w1shEX Well said.
QwoPhasaArius 1 year ago
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This is what I called "japanese".
loompster1 1 year ago
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loompster1 1 year ago
As long as people continue to say that Jimmy Page is worth a damn in music, I'll say that Yoko Kanno is.
CinemaZebra 1 year ago 3
wtf
Yoko Kanno is so ugly..
love119100 1 year ago
her versions do seem to sound better, but it's still stealng...
tetsusaigaiy 1 year ago
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yk own more than 50 albums... it is too easy to find similar song to sue her.. compare to those who only compose 1 or 2...
yk are not famous for the track listed here only... what about incredible work for tank, inner universe, rise?
guy, listen, the sniper theme i find it even similar to MJ bilie jean bass beat, won't u say so? ><
yilliot 1 year ago
yk own more than 50 albums... it is too easy to find similar song to sue her.. compare to those who only compose 1 or 2...
yk are not famous for the track listed here only... what about incredible work for tank, inner universe, rise?
guy, listen, the sniper theme i find it even similar to MJ bilie jean bass beat, won't u say so? ><
yilliot 1 year ago
@yilliot Exactly. What about them? Who did "she" steal from in all those other cases? I lost all respect for her a long time ago.
QwoPhasaArius 1 year ago
I just heard "Space Junk" by wang chung, and I knew Kanno took that song for a cowboy bebop track, anyone know which one it is? I can't find it, bit its pretty much the same song.
Also which artist did she rip off "Blue" from the Cowboy Bebop ost? b/c I really would like to listen to that artist hahaha
kinosvideo 1 year ago
no one cares about inspration anymore there are so many notes and rythms that you can play so song simularity is bound to happen
gigawolf04 1 year ago
There is a little something called inspiration. All musicians know what this is.
eternalgracenote 1 year ago
i think what's gone on here is there similar in structure there are similar cords but if you look at it music in all is only 7 notes just in different octaves and pitches so is there really plagiarism or coincidence and how do you know she didn't credit any one of if it is her rendition of a piece some peony write music then sell it to artists to preform and it can be sold to different artists
SPofSaturnProduction 1 year ago
yoko kanno is a good copy cat. I knew it!
Sucker1313 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure you all need to check out the albums of the soundtracks and check the liner notes. It's very possibly she respectfully credited all the artists in question. Keep in mind that you all could be blowing this totally out of proportion and should consider this before you call her a thief: inspiration is all over and you see "stolen" chord structures all over rock music and music in general, today.
kkeelan 1 year ago
the fact that most "musicians" these days are unoriginal thieving prats in no way makes stealing acceptable.
there's a difference between inspiration and plagiarism, and when you have sections that sound EXACTLY the same (as a few of the examples did), dude... that's thievery, no matter how you dress it up. Just because she added a note before or after it doesn't make it her own.
I could copy the mona lisa and give her a goddamned fedora. Changing things about to disguise the act makes it worse.
ChileanIggy 1 year ago
arrrr...
damn..
yoko kanno was only one artist i respected in japanese music industry!!!!
now she's just a thief to me!!!
viperhanx 1 year ago
@viperhanx
You have obviously never been exposed to the masterful Joe Hisaishi
:P
ChileanIggy 1 year ago
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Anyone who thinks this is just "inspiration" is in denial.
dawnmour 1 year ago
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Anyone who thinks this is just "inspiration" is in denial.
dawnmour 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks this is just "inspiration" is in denial.
dawnmour 1 year ago
@dawnmour
hilarious isn't it
klined 1 year ago
It isn't plagiarism unless something is directly lifted. Stylization and inspiration do NOT count.
blind51de 1 year ago
Musicians have been "ripping off" each other for years and years and years and years..... This isn't anything new. Have some of you not heard of Led Zeppelin? A very famous, well respected band?
Yoko Kanno, to me, seems to not be an artist who aims to be 100% original. She's someone who aims to have fun with music.
TheBackseatJesus 1 year ago
@TheBackseatJesus Led Zeppelin have had some seriouse court actions ya know? they were guilty for serious ripping off from many blues bands and musicians... Saying taht plagiarism is old thing ain't excuse for me. There are killers, whores etc. for ages but we still, as a kind, hunt them, by law, by social ostracism etc. And I can't say I don't like her works but have some dignity!
Grzegrzolka 1 year ago
"Led Zeppelin have had some seriouse court actions ya know? they were guilty for serious ripping off from many blues bands and musicians"
And those blues artists ripped off other artists, so they're completing a circle of stealing.
"Saying taht plagiarism is old thing ain't excuse for me."
I'm not saying at all it's excusable because it's old. I'm saying it happens all the time, so no one should be surprised when they find out someone ripped someone else off
TheBackseatJesus 1 year ago
@Grzegrzolka "There are killers, whores etc. for ages but we still, as a kind, hunt them, by law, by social ostracism etc."
Did you really just compare stealing to murder? Are you serious? We only hunt them down for money.
"And I can't say I don't like her works but have some dignity!"
Dignity? The entire copyright system is completely and utterly BULLSHIT. True, it gives artists the illusion that their work is safe, but many artist don't even own their work. The companies they work for own them
TheBackseatJesus 1 year ago
i call it insipration.. :) it's not like she's plagiarizing them.. every art has its own inspiration..
xXxscarletxXx 1 year ago
I see no reason why this is a big issue, she credited everyone in her album. If she was really doing something wrong then she should've gotten herself sued.
StrikeWarlock 1 year ago
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I tried to analyze a number of her compositions and then wrote something that used the rules that seem to be present in the songs.
LIsten and tell me if this sounds a bit like something Ms. YK would write, without sounding like any one song
clip ID = ElGVq-N39RQ
GoodGearGuy 1 year ago
cyberbird still kicks ass
TinyT0ez 1 year ago
Actually it's pretty likely there is some plagarisation, but not for the reasons you think. The scores for films and television are the last part of production, after the sound foley and before release. This means they're always a squeeze, most Hollywood films scores are written, arranged and performed in under 2 weeks. This means the films are edited to a temporary soundtrack, often the directors and editors favorite music or older scores.
crikeythesplund 1 year ago
@crikeythesplund So by the time the editings finished directors end up rather attached to the temp soundtrack and the poor score composer will come in to be told "i want the score like this and about as long." So the composer does their best in the time they've got and get paid. Seriously it's a tough life being a composer for film and television. There are a few cases where the composer gets to see the early editing or the actual filming (Morricone and Leone for example) but its the exeption
crikeythesplund 1 year ago
The same can be said about any artist really, just search hard and long and you'll find similar songs for anyone.... there's a limited amount of notes and progressions in music before you start just making bad sounds for the sake of being unique. The fathers and mothers of modern music are heard daily, I could care less as long as you bring something new to the song / notes, which in 90% of Yoko Kanno's case, she does (in my fan-boy opinion)
boojitsu 1 year ago
@boojitsu The thing about Yoko Kanno is that you don't have to search hard to find similarities. Plus those song samples are a bit to short.
JAhU00 1 year ago
@JAhU00 I agree, but all in all only 2 or 3 of the songs would I agree are "rip offs" while the rest are just similar to me. Still disappointing since I like her work, but yeah
boojitsu 1 year ago
@boojitsu Well there are some of those that are almost exactly the same, but most differ a bit. I figured out that she copies other composers on my own (after listening to number of her albums). Titles of some of her songs point the original ones. She also copies a fair number of classical composers like Tchaikovsky or Chopin (also Ravel and Gershwin). Sometimes rather than copying songs she copies style of particular composers.
P.S. In Napple Tale OST she copied Goran Bregović.
JAhU00 1 year ago
@JAhU00 Come on people, this post gives much more particular detail than others for further research/interest: mod up!!!
infinitelink 1 year ago
@infinitelink agreed
BENebuchadnezzar 1 year ago
@boojitsu I still like her songs.
JAhU00 1 year ago
@JAhU00 Oh yeah definitely :)
boojitsu 1 year ago
dissapointed but not surprised.
flanker22 1 year ago
just now found out about this.. this is more than just using similar chord progressions, she's taking significant parts of songs and copying them basically unchanged. she must not have any respect to the original composers to be so blatant with her plagiarism
RembrantQ 1 year ago
GOD ITS SO FUCKIN HARD TO GET THAT RECORDED WHITE NOISE GRAIN GROM THE 90's!!! i frickin love it. in all my recorded works i cant get it to sound anywhere close to that
dahmer09 1 year ago
i noticed the hooverphonic one myself. in her defense, when you're a soundtrack composer, you are often given specific direction, and it's not unheard of for the composer to be handed a bunch of other artists CDs and be told to "make it sound like this!". the doom soundtrack is a famous example of that.
PS you missed "where does the ocean go" = bjork's "hyperballed".
sure she borrows sound ideas from here and there, but she always makes it into something new and amazing. i'm a huge fan of hers
boourns86 1 year ago 19
@boourns86
agree
tetsusaigaiy 1 year ago
Still love her~!
hellowjp 1 year ago
I've had a great admiration for Kanno. I've thought 'How many style music can she compose, and moreover every tunes are so cool ! '... What a shame! They are just a bunch of plagiarized works! OMG! She obviously stole these songs. I'm so shocked and bummed...(TT)
rhapsodyblue56 1 year ago 4
@rhapsodyblue56 stuff like this wouldnt bother me if people said they did their own variation.
it's not like musicians of the past whom everyone respects didn't write their own variations of pieces. but they called them variations from the start.
but I am a bit disappointed. i thought she was incredible
msa1985 1 year ago
OMG, there are similar songs in this world.
LostBlossom 1 year ago
Cyberbird was an obvious homage but she's the greatest and if you have a variety of taste in music and not just one genre of music then decide to become a musical composer you can't just have one taste in music it will be everything. I'm not surprised by this because listening to her music sometimes a certain song will sound like another song but she's the best in my opinion there really is no one like her!!!! But I do wish there was more of Ichiko Hashimoto, another great composer!!!!
bpophantom 1 year ago
Her plagiarism act is shame of Japan.
migoro246 1 year ago
F U Yoko Kanno
0519075130 1 year ago
@0519075130 BOOO thumbs down...>:[
kazunanakama 1 year ago
I've noticed something...Yoko Kanno's versions are better
takomarumk5 1 year ago 55
@takomarumk5 HAHAHAHA, well said!
wainy2433 1 year ago
@takomarumk5
TELL ME ABOUT! :o
Mokurentate 1 year ago
@takomarumk5
tell me about it!
Mokurentate 1 year ago
@takomarumk5 This is true but it doesn't change the fact that she copied large parts of these songs while giving the impression that they're all-original.
Also the video response kid who turned off comments is a pussy.
superbrik123 1 year ago
@superbrik123 Some of us here happen to like pussy.
raspberryswirls 1 year ago
@takomarumk5
U know this reminds me, Americans may have been the first to create the car, but the Japanese refined car making to the point where Japanese cars are now superior to the American cars.
wssher 1 year ago
@wssher I understand what you're saying, but the world's first car was made in Germany by Mercedes-Benz.
rhapsodyblue56 9 months ago
@takomarumk5 "Kanno's version"? hahaha! Thats a imitation! You must pay respect to originators.
60com 1 year ago 9
As a composer(not in commercial music), I can say she may have her talent, of course, but stole too many musics. These samples are just discovered because commons only perceive the mood of the music. But there exist very sophisticate 'songs' which are directly derived from the originals. I won't present them all for now.
sophryu 1 year ago
nah, they are similar, but not enough to warrant plagiarism
monivalinsky 1 year ago 3
Well, all the songs shown in this video are the ones made for specific soundtracks where most probably the person that asked for them had something in mind or similar to show, so they could get to a final product and YK does a pretty good job at making good songs that go through the "same concept lines". But anyways, this is a nice video. Just in case, try to listen to the albums The Creation and 23時の音楽. You will probably get to know how of an amazing composer she is ;D
spyderred69 1 year ago
Why do you have to hate on something good? And besides, I prefer Yoko Kanno's "Versions" of all of these songs better than their originals anyway. If you have to hate on an abstraction in the creative process, what do you say to Flat-out copy and destroying of good music like the new "Spin me right round" garbage that is coming out and all the other remixes of old songs? But sure, you're right, how dare anything sound remotely similar.
Catoma 1 year ago
Yet despite all this Yoko composes really unique and beautiful music that she writes herself...
liosama 1 year ago 5
Sounds good.
Who gives a shit.
pipox360 1 year ago 5
is it not entirely possible that these are 'homages' to those particular tracks? re-arrangements, covers and such for songs happens all the time, just enjoy the fucking music! i don't hear you complaining about kid rock's sweet home alabame cover... [which was garbage btw]
slidemidwinter 1 year ago
T_T me he descecionado.. no ma sentimientos encontrados... amaba a yoko kanno... era una diosa para mi... y me sale con esto
maralopez100 1 year ago
This is disgusting. I can't believe she's getting away with that thievery.
spaceworlder 1 year ago
I always thought that "Stray" from "Wolf's Rain" sounded familiar to me, and then I finally figured it out...it had to have been "inspired" by "If It Were You" by the band Chicago. Similar bass lines, similar singers, similar tone. It's too coincidental.
IggieReilly 1 year ago
I know all the anime fans are saying, "Artists do this all the time". But it seems like Yoko Kanno does this A LOT. I mean, WAY WAY more than another composer would.
I think we can still respect her for "elevating" anime music and bringing lots of other different styles from the real world into her OSTs. But you need to realize that she's not a 100% genius. Good music compiler and composer with some great original pieces. But not the next Mozart like so many otaku say she is.
WingsTM 1 year ago
She's a composer for animes, not a musician. It's not about trying to make an original song and selling it on cds. It's about what fits the mood of the scene.
SpikeJet2736 1 year ago
Everytime I listen to an Yoko Kanno's song, I can't stop thinking:
"Which song did she sample?"
Sadalmelek 1 year ago
Amazing and disappointing!
My fave tracks from Ghost In The Shell include "Siberian Doll House", "Smile", "I Can't Be Cool", and "Inner Universe". Surely those must be original?
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
In her defense in the Cowboy Bebop movie interview she admits that she frequently goes to America to observe and absorb the various music scenes of America, whether its Jazz/Blues,spaghetti western(Enio Morricone) for Cowboy Bebop, to new age techno/rave and electronica for Ghost in the Shell. She is INFLUENCED by OUR diverse cultural and rich music. Should Quentin Tarantino get sued by Sergio Leone for being ASPIRED by the Dollar series when creating the Kill Bill Movies, her music is wonderful
Silentj04 1 year ago
@Silentj04
Tarantino is a diferent case. He Use the music of Ennio Morricone with the permision of the label.
genzoman 1 year ago
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some of her fans are really crazy. It's okay cus her version is better? she have stolen fuckin many songs from others, they are victims. how can you say that? then if your friend steal your clothes and she looks more great with your clothes on than you, then is it okay and it becomes her clothes? wow
starryfreak 1 year ago
Shame of Japan
voofoowo 1 year ago
Im not arguing that its right or wong, im saying it just happens. People rip off, steal, and borrow art from each other all the time, are we going to say the aztecs ripped off the egyptians because they built pyramids- no. I like all the songs that were played, who cares what they sound like, get over it.
FimbulvetrIsNoMyth 1 year ago
I really think everyone needs to get over how "unoriginal" she is, there are hundreds upon thousands of works out there that use the same mood, notes, chords and for the most part same song- maybe with different lyrics maybe with none at all- but its out there- people that don't even realize they have copied- its just like drawing, or painting or graphic design.
FimbulvetrIsNoMyth 1 year ago
yoko kanno is pretty much about SOUNDTRACKS she's not even a real artist
most of the times she's too lazy to even write lyrics
look most of the soundtrack of arjuna, napple tale, etc
drakesolar 1 year ago