sorry butt bret came to wcw expecting hogan to job for him where hogan was king that wasnt going to happen at that time. Brett shoulda came with the attitude Im at a different company and i do what they want me to do butt he didnt and that is what fucked him in wcw Brett screwed Brett again.
I love Bret, and I know Brischoff isn't the most successful guy in the biz, but Bischoff came up with arguably the biggest thing in wrestling history, period. Makes me sad seeing people so bitter. Got to give credit to guys like DDP, held back numerous occasions in WCW and WWE, but always remains positive.
@tsb049 I agree with you and I'm a big Bret Hart fan. I'm guessing Hart is a person that has to slowly get things out of his system as he seems to have finally buried the hatchet with McMahon and Michaels.
Bret was amazing in the ring, but EVERYONE in the back that didn't have a direct tie to him has said nobody believed his own hype more. He truly thought he was the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
man if i was wcw owner i would of had bret fueding with the nwo rite away putting him with bulldog,anvil,benoit,jericho would of been sick! then have bret beating hogan for title at starcade 98. then had him go on and defeat sting,nash,hall,flair,piper, ddp, savage then turn him heel and drop the belt to goldberg, then bret beating goldberg few months later, hence bret giving goldberg his 1st loss. then have him nd a babyface hogan rematch with hogan beating bret.at starcade 99. :)
@Krillep ok man dont tell me bret didnt help the stone cold to be on top he did his job! Shawn was always refuse to lose back then. He even refuse to lose to Stone Cold in WM. shawn didnt wrestle for like 4 years and came back to WWE after being close to God or whatever and willingly did his part for guys like kurt angle, john cena! Now both have settled things so no need to spare any of the two!
The thing is, Bret was completely right. Saying he beat The Undertaker months before that is a good point to show his position in wrestling at the time and how WCW did nothing with that.
He went from wrestling and defeating the top names in the WWF to doing absolutely nothing in WCW, when he obviously still had the popularity, marketability, amongst other things. WCW had just signed one of the biggest stars in wrestling (kayfabe and not), and treated him like a jobber.
@Krillep When Hart was saying; "I beat Stone Cold and I beat The Undertaker" I believe he was just describing his value and the push he received while with the WWF/E rather than saying he literally beat them in his matches. It's not an achievement to beat someone in a rigged contest, lol.
@Krillep "Bret hart is such a crybaby". I don't feel Bret is crying or whining. If u are a former world champ or if u are a big name, what would u say if u didn't get respect when u go in another company? At least Bret is honest, he's not gonna BS.
@kgp8 - Sorry, but, as far as I;m concerned, Bret is well renowned now for accusing plenty of people not showing him respect and yet wrote a book which essentially trashes about 90% of the people he encounters, mostly wrestlers. What kind of respect is Bret on about? That they didn't cow-tow to his demands? Bend like trees a full scale gale? That they never praised him 24/7? I have no idea what kind of respect would have satisfied Bret.
@IDIOTdella ok bud. I'll say this again. If u were a big star in the major leagues like the WWF and jump shift to WCW, would u expect to be one of the top stars there too? That's like saying Helmsley going to TNA and stays in the midcard hell.
@kgp8 - Not sure what point you're trying to make, because Bret WAS one of the top stars at WCW. According to Bret he was approached by Hogan to join the nWo but he turned them down - He did the same thing in the WWF when Paul Levesque and Shawn approached him to join the Clique. NOW and for such a loooong time now he complains about both controlling factions because his wanting to go solo never worked out the way he expected it to.
@kgp8 - If it wasn't for the humungous size of Bret's ego I would be admiring him for giving the impression he'd been trying to stand strong without having to be in a clique or a controlling faction, but his motivations had nothing to do with something noble like that at all, they were all to do with his ego, believing his own hype of being the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be - that he was that good he didn't need anyone.
@kgp8 - So anyway, as said, Bret WAS one of the top stars in the WCW and he has the belts, the titles and accolades to prove it. Like I said, I have no idea what else they could have done with him. If they'd wanted to truly bury Bret they could have, but they didn't.
@kgp8 - As mentioned in a previous post, Bret was given titles in both tag and singles, he was given main events on the PPVs, he was turned heel and babyface and so on and so on. Frankly I don't think there was anything else they could have done with him. I think Bret complains because, at WCW, he didn't have the same stroke he had with the WWF and the titles and wins were not getting him the same kind of adulation he'd grown accustomed to when he'd been at the WWF
@kgp8 - I can mention many occasions where Bret has lied through his teeth, so he's also not as honest as he proclaims to be either. He's a human being with as much capacity as you and I to lie, and he does, often.
@Krillep he was talking about how WCW dropped the ball he was answering questions that are often asked. He wasn't crying he made a lot of sense his stock going into WCW was high, he had a huge moment defeating Flair in his first PPV match for the company. I noticed Bret was always held down in WCW, I don't blame Hulk Hogan I just think people like Vince Russo and Eric Bishoff have no idea how to market actual wrestling. Same thing in TNA great matches but stupid storylines
if he let the past go and stop bitching as you claim, there would be no interviews, no dvds and a lot of unanswered questions. it's not as simple as you think it is.
@Krillep But he DID beat those guys. That's a fact, so why not say it? What's next - he can't call himself a former WWE champion because it's not a 'real' sports belt?
And I don't think you understand that when he's asked about past events, he HAS to talk about the past. That's the whole point of this DVD. And stop acting like he's only saying negative things; he's given out a lot of props and praise as well as (deserved) criticism.
Hahaha, all you morons keep forgetting that even when these guys are "out of character" they are still kayfabing! Hahaha! How convenient that Bret is making negative comments about two former WWE guys (Flair and Hogan), wrestling is fun to watch (or used to be) but it's one of the biggest coniobs ever...period.
@FragaLegacy - Sorry, but that era is long gone. There is no kayfabing to that extent anymore. Bret Hart has made a living out of whining, bitching and moaning about how unfairly he's been treated by all and sundry. What Bret seems to forget is that as much as he has long memory so do others and they remember stuff that he's said and done too. Was he truly apologetic towards Hogan and Flair, or was he apologising just because he knew they were where the money was in WCW?
Hogan was written all over Bret's treatment in WCW. Vince turned the screwjob into WWF hottest angle, yet WCW pissed away Bret WHO WAS THE MAIN PART OF THE SCREWJOB!!! Unreal. Everything about Bret's booking made no sense, joining NWO, winning the U.S belt, feuding with lackluster talent, dumbass angles and the whole Goldberg situation reminded me of WM 9 all over again.
Bret definitely would have out shined Hogan..reading Hogan's two books, he certainly is not the man I thought he was..What Andre did for him at WM3 was pure class...No Hogan couldn't return the favor to Hart, he'd rather drop to Yokozuna?
I also like how Bret tells it like it is right in front of Shawn, that HBK never beat him..and he didn't, Vince rang the bell...and got KO'd in front of his children in the locker room.
(then again, many people believe that the Montreal Screwjob was a work).
@09Brant - Sheesh! Has any of the the Bret Hart Marks read Bret Cartoon world book? Read it because Bret explains it in detail about why Hogan dropped the belt to Yoko instead of Bret. 1) Back n those days it was hard to sell a face on face match, which Hogan and Bret would have been. 2) Hogan suggested to McMahon that if he dropped it to Yoko, who was the top heel at the time, and for Yoko to drop it off to Bret, McMahon would be guaranteed 2 solid heel/face matches.. tbc...
@09Brant - (cont'd) Instead of one potentially disastrous face on faced match. This proposition guaranteed McMahon TWO solid matches and, more importantly, TWO solid money draws, instead of ONE potentially disastrous money draw. Business wise it made sense for McMahon to go with Hogan's suggestion. Bret's reply to Hogan was for him to go fuck himself - that's part of why there is heat between them both.
@09Brant - Also, you talk as if all the wins in the ring were/are for real. Sorry to break it to you like this, but.... NOBODY wins in the ring! The matches, storylines and lead-ups are scripted and the matches themselves are choreographed between the wrestlers involved. That's one of the scary things about Bret. He gives the impression that his wins in the ring were for real, but the belt is just an indication of who is the biggest fan favourite of the time. Hogan was proof of that
@IDIOTdella My man, how did I remotely "put you down"? No, "what you've written" is YOUR own personal perspective. I disagree.
Nervous? Paranoid? Chill out, dude...I didn't dis you. You offered an opinion, and I disagree. re-read my original posts that you quickly took out of context.
@09Brant - Stop calling me "my man" it has a condescending tone to it which sets the tone of the rest of your post. I read your post about you thinking Bret would have outshone Hogan and how he couldn't return the favour to Bret. I was letting you know why I thought that was bullshit and giving you a source for that opinion which was Bret's book. Also, and this is speculation, but given that Hulkamania was still going very strong at the time, Bret would never have outshone Hogan
@09Brant - I was expecting you to deny what I'd said, say it was a load of bullshit. I suppose since you couldn't deny what I'd said was true you decided to diss me personally and assume something else that's not true. Oh well...
oh, boy...when did I say it was a "load of bs??"...I think you need to stop displacing your anger. Go to sleep little bear...it must be late across the pond.
@09Brant - Seems pretty obvious that you don't think patronising and adopting a condescending manner is insulting. Interesting. Just to re-iterate, because it appears you're not paying attention, I said I was *expecting* you to tell me it was a load of bullshit, but instead decided to diss me personally instead. I did not say you had said it was bullshit. Take some of your own advice and read my post, twice if you have to, just so you know what's being said.
relax, stop taking wrestling so serious...and I replied to YOUr post that I respectfully disagree. I think Hogan knew Bret would have out classed him..Hulk's time was coming to a close
@09Brant - Yes, I agree, Bret would have outclassed Hogan in the ring wrestling wise, he would have outclassed quite a few of the wrestlers at the time, but, in my opinion, he would not have outshone Hogan. Hogan's time has been coming to a close for the last 20 years, but it still hasn't reached a time where he could not draw - more's the pity. I don't take wrestling seriously, I enjoy watching it, expressing an opinion on it is a different ballgame
from 92 on nobody gave a crap for anything assosiated with hogan..allright he got the belt at wrestlemania 9 but what kind of match was that?? wwf ruled the world, no hogan and hulkamania were needed and bret hart had a lot to do with it..because he is the best there is the best there was and the best there ever will be..hbk was really good too these two had superior matches together..he knows bret is right..and he hates hogan too;)
I dont know......He just said his bashing of Hogan and Flair(before he came to WCW) was that that of a WWE(F) company guy. Maybe all this current bashing is because Bret no matter where Bret goes, he always will be a WWE(F) compant guy. Mainly because Hogan, Bischoff, and Flair are in TNA......
Both men admit they fucked things up during the whole time-period in question...both admit a share of responsibilty. They're both right to do so. They were both wrong & they both say so, but they've both come a long way since then, too - being a step away from it all so many years later - both are more mature, being older and wiser...perhaps their fans ( I am a fan of both, myself ) could learn something from the 2 men these guys are NOW.
Listen people, I actually KNOW someone who was an employee of WCW from 1994-2000. I asked him about what Bret says in this interview and he says that Bret is without a doubt, one of the biggest liars there ever was. Bret is his own public relations nightmare and has no credibilty. The reason he was "screwed" in WCW is because WCW KNEW they could TANK the hottest free agent for REFUSING TO DO HIS FUCKING JOB!!!! You drop the belt when you are on your way out, no questions asked.
@Sage80 No offense basement dweller but I know EXACTLY what I am talking about and if you paid attention to the story, Bret did NOT want to drop the belt.....to ANYONE. He wanted to come out the next night on RAW and hand the title to Vince. It had nothing to do with his animosity towards Shawn. It is because Bret feels that all this is real. He compares himself to great athletes such as Gretsky and others in that upper echelon and feels that he has saved the world. He is a con man.
@romeokid69 Actually, felcher, you obviously didn't watch the whole thing. Love how raging & worked up people get when they're exposed on youtube. I bet you feel safe behind your laptop. Shawn refused to work with Bret & job to him, and Bret returned the favor. Bret has made it very clear that he would have dropped it even to Shawn in a different city. You're exaggerating, and displaying your ignorance. Read his book. You don't even know how to spell Gretzky. Cockbreath.
@Sage80 The fact that you used the work felcher scares me, you insignificant little pillow biter. Shawn refused to job to Bret ONLY AFTER Bret said he wouldn't job to Shawn. If you delve a little further into the story, idiot, you will realize that it got to the point where it did not matter what city they were in. BRET REFUSED TO DO HIS JOB!!!!!! I dont care if you dont like the guy or have some vendetta. If it's personal, settle it in another way. What Bret did only fucked himself over
And what you are obviously clueless about is that Bret had a clause which stated that in the last 30 days of his contract he had creative control of his matches.
It didn't matter if McMahon wanted him to drop the belt, Bret legally didn't have to and that is why they agreed on Bret dropping it on Raw the next night, not at the PPV.
But that wasn't good enough for McMahon.
So Bret didn't refuse to do his job - get educated before spewing crap.
@MKShaggy1985 - Bret had REASONABLE Creative Control over his CHARACTER, so he could terminate or rework storylines if he felt they were detrimental to the "Hit Man". He never EVERRRRRR had control over whom he dropped the belt to or where and when because that's purely a business decision, therefore it was/still is solely Vince's. Vince tried for 3 months prior to the MSJ to get Bret to drop the belt to Shawn, he refused every scenario because it involved dropping it to Shawn
Nonsense. When to drop the belt is the biggest creative control you can have. Why would you have a contract that said you could have creative control over minor stuff and not the one major thing anyone really cares about? That makes absolutely no sense.
Fact is, Bret had the control, he refused to drop the belt at the PPV and they agreed he would drop it on Raw but Vince screwed him.
@MKShaggy1985 - Not nonsense I'm afraid. Bret had REASONABLE control over his character, not complete control. Not only would it not be good business sense to allow a wrestler the freedom to pick and choose when he drops the belt, or whom he drops it to, but also Bret had no problem with dropping the belt, he just didn't want to drop it to Shawn - so, even if you are right, the problem was not when but to whom which Bret most definitely would not have had any say in.
@MKShaggy1985 - Sorry but you really haven't done your homework at all about this. You need to look beyond just Bret's POV, or even just listen to what Bret says about it from various sources as well as this one. Are you aware of Bret's admission that he would have dropped the belt to anyone but Shawn? Are you aware of Bret's admission that he didn't care about losing in Canada that he'd lost there many times before in his career, he just didn't want to lost to Shawn?
You're the one who needs to stop listening to Bret's POV if you're just going to recite his lines from the Bret Hart Story video about losing in Canada often enough.
You're just rejecting the facts I pointed out for the stories you want to believe.
Bret had creative control in the last 30 days of his contract - that means he could choose who to drop the belt to.
Stop making shit up.
They agreed he would drop the belt on Raw but Vince screwed him at the PPV.
@MKShaggy1985 - Gees, man, how can I be making up shit if you're accusing me of reciting lines from Bret's DVDs? Your posts don't have any facts in them so what I'm actually doing is rejecting your uninformed POV.
@MKShaggy1985 - Are you aware of Bret's Cartoon Woirld book where gives details of two contracts he procured from Vince, using the WCW card and an up and coming court case against Vince as collateral to insure Vince agreed to the deals - even when other wrestlers were being let go because the WWF was not doing well? Don't know how many times I have to say REASONABLE control until it sinks in with you...
@MKShaggy1985 I also don't know how many times I have to tell you that Vince agreed ON THE NIGHT of the MSJ (it's on Bret Wrestling with Shadows DVD) that Bret could have his DQ ending and by default his forfeiting the title the next night on RAW, but that he'd only agreed to that because the screwjob had already been arranged.
A question: Do you think Bret would have done the match if McMahon hadn't agreed to the DQ ending and the forfeiting of the title?
@MKShaggy1985 - Another question: Do you think it's possible Bret told McMahon that he wouldn't do the match unless McMahon agreed to do the DQ ending and the forfeiting of the title the next night on RAW?
@MKShaggy1985 - Also, in relation to this video, Bret goes on as if the WCW did nothing with him, and yet they put titles on him, tag as well as singles, they put him in several main events at PPVs, they babyfaced him, turned him heel and so on and so on. To be honest, I'm not sure what ELSE they could have done with him.
@MKShaggy1985 - As said before McMahon only agreed to the DQ ending and the forfeiting of the belt the next night on RAW because the screwjob was already in place. Yes, Vince screwed Bret with the help of Shawn and Earl, however, essentially Bret was trying to screw McMahon as well, he'd done it twice before concerning his contracts and he was trying to do it with the belt because the forfeiting of the title would only have benefited Bret not the company or the other wrestlers
@MKShaggy1985 He NEVER agreed to drop it on RAW, he agreed to hand it over. BUT, that would not have worked seeing as how at 12:01am, Bret was an amployee at WCW.......and by the way, the guy who signs the paychecks has the FINAL SAY!!!! If you tried pulling creative control at YOUR job.............YOU'D GET FIRED!!!!!!!
@MKShaggy1985 - McMahon agreed on the day to the DQ ending at Survivor Series 97, (and so by default the forfeiting of the title on RAW the next night), because the screwjob was already in place - so he already knew it was not going to be happening that way.
@romeokid69 Bret said it was the opposite way round, Shawn said he would not job to Bret first. Jim Cornette and Jerry lawler both agree on that. Shawn is pretty much agreed at the time was unprofessional, he had refused to job to Vader before and treated him and others horribly. But really what matters is that both guys acted unprofessionaly. Vince was too stupid to realise that thw two of them hated each other and he should have taken the title off Bret well before Survivor series,
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@jfuya2000 Actually, Bret tried EVERYTHING he could to have that match NOT happen. Anyone who is a wrestling fan should know that. He KNEW Shawn was better, but Bret brought his ego to a whole new level. Go listen to some current interviews with people who were "friends" with Bret back then.......they all say the same thing. BRET REFUSED TO DO HIS JOB..........on more than just one occasion.
@romeokid69 I agree with that =) but I still say, shoulda/coulda/woulda - Bret still physically went down at the hands of HBK (WM12) (i.e. at the end of the day, he jobbed to HBK). But where was the rematch that had HBK job to Hart? They had one previous match back in 93/94 (not too sure about the dates), but that was a different situation (imo) =)
@jfuya2000 - What ahppened a the end of WM12 was that Bret left to go do his stint on Lonesome Dove, one reason why he was jobbing to Shawn at WM12 because he needed time off to go do that. It was also not certain he would return, not even Bret could say he would because he'd been expecting LD to take off with him at the helm - so essentially the WWF moved on with Shawn as top dog and working SCSA as his No1 contender.
@jfuya2000 - Bret came back with a Champion's attitude and expected to be treated as such and was expecting to be slotte dinto being Shawn's No1 contender without any problems. One, that was a problem because they'd spent the time Bret wass away giving SCSA a massive push and 2, Shawn has been reported as saying are we moving forward or taking steps back when it was suggested Bret take the place of SCSA.
@jfuya2000 I personally think Vince's insistence that Bret be given the title soon after his return and also the knee injury might have been the main reasons Shawn forfeited the title before WM13. Shawn's also said he was not prepared to go into a ring injured with someone whom he knew hated him. Considering Bret had deliberately hurt two wrestlers before then, Backlund and Lawler, it could've been a justifiable concern. The start of their MSJ match was really stiff, so who knows.
@jfuya2000 Actually the match in 1992 was at Survivor Series which at the time, was WWF/E's second biggest PPV. Shawn JOBBED to Bret HAPPILY in that match because Shawn even admits that he was not ready for the big time belt just yet. And let's get one thing clear. Bret CRIED and WHINED about having to wrestle Shawn again at WM 12. It was not knowledge at that time but it is NOW. And just to be clear, I am in NO WAY defending Shawn. He was just as bad as Bret. They are both divas.
@romeokid69 lol oh I agree with that =) But the fact still remains, albeit through whining and complaining, Bret still jobbed to HBK (Bigger stage: WM, Bigger Match: 1st ever Ironman match, Both Super Faces: I think the Sur. Ser. had HBK as a heel, but I'm not sure) so Bret did do his duty. He was a diva about it, but at LEAST he didn't pull politics like some others do that allow oneself to keep the title forever and never lose the big match. =)
@jfuya2000 - To be honest, as with many things with Bret, when you don't delve deeper than what it looks like on paper, Bret always comes out on top as if he did things for the greater good, but when you delve even just a little deeper than that, you discover that the greater good didn't have a part to play in the first place. The circumstances surrounding WM12 were completely different to Sur Ser. I'll bullet point he differences. tbc...
@jfuya2000 - 1 Bret was hoping to come back to the WWF after his stint at LD so he NEEDED to job to Shawn at WM12 so it left people happy and things open for his possible return - At Survivor Series Bret was leaving for the WCW so he didn't NEED to do anything which is partially the reason why you had him throwing tantrums, refusing to do the job. Actually not bullet points because I think this is the most crucial one.
@jfuya2000 - Sorry just a bit more. So all in all, Bret had the perfect opportunity to perform a truly unselfish act by dropping the belt to Shawn, and by default show the other wrestlers and McMahon the respect he claimed(s) he had for them, to prove he was a man of honour respect and integrity, but he couldn't do it - instead he again pushed for something which only he would benefit - which, in turn, basically conveyed the message 'screw the rest of you'.
@IDIOTdella I agree about the way Bret handling Sur. Ser. 97 was bad, but the way I see the LD piece is that all parties did what was mutually beneficial for all parties (no1 left in the cold). But I will still hold true to my case that Bret didn't beat Mega-Star Status HBK ever (Only lesser known HBK back in 92 - i.e. doesn't mean much). Meanwhile the record will show that HBK on TWO occasions beat Mega-Star Bret (WM12 & Sur. Ser. 97). All the greats trade matches with each other...
@jfuya2000 - I agree with you, I was just attempting to show you a difference in Bret's possible motivations from WM12 to Sur Ser 97. I guess the smart mark(? - I'm never up with the correct terminology of these things :-D) in me realises that it's not really much of a record because it's all scripted anyway - and as you say all the greats trade matches with each other to either promote the good guy or bad guy, the psychology or a future PPV and so on.
@jfuya2000 - In my opinion, to this day, Bret still has never managed to beat Shawn Michaels the Superstar because Shawn had it all, the mic skills, the entertainment value, he could bring a fun to his wrestling into the ring and his in ring ability was as good as Bret's as well. Whereas Bret is a good technical wrestler but, for me, he's never been much of an entertainer Also mentioned elsewhere you got to a stage where you could call almsot 2 3rds of his matches ...
@jfuya2000 - because he rarely brought something new to them - and I blame the internet internet and DVDs for that because although most matches were generally in different towns so that the people attending would be seeing the match for the first time, the internet and DVDs don't really reflect that.
Um, I think I've gone off on a different tangent here, sorry. :-)
@jfuya2000 - Just to finish on though, the difference being, for me that is, is that I can still sit down and thoroughly enjoy a Shawn Michaels match because although he too brought a similar match each time there were enough surprising elements that were diffeerent to still make them worth watching and entertaining
@IDIOTdella I actually agree with everything you've just said =) lol Truth be told, HBK DID have it all. Bret just wasn't that entertaining in comparison (A decent rationale for why HBK the Superstar was never beat by Bret). And I do see the possible differences in Bret's motivations now b/c of you =) (Sighs - I just miss the old days when I had my superhero-like wrestlers like Bret, i guess lol. I actually cried the night he lost at WM12. Had a hard time cheerin' for HBK afterwards)
@jfuya2000 - I totally agree with you. I too miss the old days when all of the characters, even unbelievable ones like the Undertaker, were so well rounded and had believable depth to them. I sometimes think that Hulk Hogan was the saviour but also the curse of Wrestling Entertainment, because although he helped make the Wrestling Entertainment business as popular as it is today, he also intro'd the cartoon characters which exist more or less as a whole in today's business. ;-(
@Sage80 2/2 Bret is a loser. The only good thing that came out of that family was Owen. God bless him. A Hart that WASN'T a little whiny BITCH like your boyfriend Bret. Safe behind my laptop, you say? if you even had an inkling of a clue as to what I do for a living, you'd change your tune real quick. Now get out of your mother's basement and get some sun TROLL!!!!!
Im tired of hearing dumbass ppl saying with out hogan there wouldnt haven been the rock,stone cold,bret, shawn, ect...IT WAS VINCE KENNEDY McMAHON THAT MADE FUCKIN HOGAN VINCE IS THE MAIN REASON OF US HAVING GREAT LEGENDS TO WATCH AND LOVE THEM 4 WHAT THEY DO...HOGAN WAS JUST IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND AT THE RIGHT TIME BUT OTHER THAN THAT HOGAN IS JUST A FUCKIN TOOL, YA BEST BELIEVE THAT
Bret doesnt get that he will never be as good as Hogan! If there was no Hogan, Bret wouldnt be what he was! He was expecting Hogan to pass him the torch? Why, Hogan is in his 60's now and still in great shape!
@extremelucky If it weren't for Bret, Piper, Hennig, Savage and countless others serving as support to Hogan in the 80's and early 90's, where would he be? Don't act like Hogan did it himself. Hogan wouldn't be what HE was without the enormity of supporting talent on the roster during that time... not to mention the extensive celebrity involvement.
@GreggggA So, he should answer the interviewer "Well, people are tired of hearing my answer to that one, so you're gonna have to go google my past interviews." when he's being asked a question?
@GreggggA to you its just entertainment, to the wrestlers of the past like Bret, undertaker, stone cold ect its more than just entertainment it was their life ....
This is from a new DVD about his career after leaving the WWE. He and Shawn will be discussing their feud and then when Bret left. So naturally this is what they will be discussing.
@GreggggA the whole point of this dvd/interview is 4 bret nd shawn to talk about thier PAST fued! a dvd that myself nd OTHERS really want to see! obviously u aint gotta clue as to what the hell this dvd is about, nd if you do then no offence but thats the stupidest comment ive ever seen, nd the 6 idiots that liked it are even DUMBER!
maybe bret's bitter because bischoff wanted him to form the nwo because he was leaving the wwf but ended up resigning with the wwf and then hogan took his place.
Bret Hart can bitch about WCW all he wants, but at the end of the day, Bret didn't exactly put on stellar performances in WCW. All his matches and promos were average.
Bret was paid millions by WCW. What's his beef? Sure, he wasn't used well. But he made out like a fiend. I love hearing this guy always act like he was a victim. This is the same guy who refused to job the belt to Shawn before he left WWE simply because of a grudge. And to this day doesn't take any responsibility for it, like his actions were just. Had anyone done that to Bret, he'd never stop bitching about it for the rest of his life.
@DrBananaKing7000... Wow looks like your facts are completely mixed up. Shawn is the one who refused to Job to Bret at WM 13. Which is why he gave up the belt and said he was injured. Shawn is the one who refuses to job to people and that has no place in the business, believe me I was a worker for many years and winning and losing means nothing it's how good of a show you put on. Get a life idiot.
@pegasus51505317 My facts are not mixed up. Bret refused to job the belt to Shawn before jumping ship to another company. You DO NOT do that. And if that really is true about Shawn, then I guess that makes them even. Now go back to sucking your boyfriend's fat cock before he get lonely.
@DrBananaKing7000 Actually, HBK refused to job to him. Bret just returned the favor, as he had reasonable creative control in his contract for the last 30 days. You need to watch the whole thing, It's obvious you're juts marking for Shawn, or perhaps a relative of his. People whining about Bret need to watch the whole special. It's not about money. It's about the company giving you the respect you've earned & using you in teh best way.
@Sage80 Bret's circumstances were different. He was leaving the company. He had to job the belt to someone. You can't jump ship to another company as the heavyweight champion, it's bad for business.
@DrBananaKing7000 if my last employer paid me ten million a year, I'd still think they were doing business the wrong way - getting a good wage doesn't automatically stop you from thinking your own thoughts about things... and this is what he's being asked about, so he answers the question.
@officialvangcreative That's be true if this were a one time answer. But Bret's been complaining like this for years. This is nothing new. He acts like his whole career was an injustice. He focuses too much on the negative, I hardly hear him reminisce about the positive things he's done.
@DrBananaKing7000 maybe thats because interviewers always ask him these damn survivor series questions... i have two dvds where he is reminiscing about his entire career, his book, etc...
@DrBananaKing7000 now he's said he's finished with the ~Montreal incident. so you won't be hearing it any more from him. and he only brings it up when people ask him about it. nearly every interview he does people ask him about montreal, and since this video IS ABOUT montreal, it'd be pretty weird of him to just gloss over it.
@kdreamland Not jobbing at Wrestlemania 13 was Shawn's fault, yes. But Shawn wasn't leaving the company like Bret was. To refuse to job the belt was pretty shitty on Shawn's part. But to refuse to job the belt before jumping ship to another company is wrong. Shawn did deserve it on many levels. But it didn't just hurt Shawn, it hurt everybody working there and the company's credibility. And he wasn't talking about Montreal, he was talking about WCW and Hogan.
@DrBananaKing7000 shawn did it to Bret. but I guess people always let Shawn off for 'losing his smile' and dropping the belt RIGHT BEFORE WRESTLEMANIA 13, saying he could never wrestle again. then about 4 months later oh look who's WWF tag champs Shawn and Stone Cold
i just figured the WCW (with much respect) just was never as good as the WWE, Sting was a hit in the WCW but would be the equivilint too Daniel Bryan in todays WWE. eric bisshof is a cocky bastard who i have never liked my entire life, had dinner with the guy years ago and just was a total asshole
Bret couldn't of expected to be shoved with hogan day 1 in wcw, the big match with sting was the same month...but turned into shit. Maybe febuary could of been the earliest time but I agree wcw had no use for him. He could of been HUGE for them after the screwjob but as he said bischoff didn't know good from bad ideas.
The problem at the time was not so much that Eric Bishofff didn`t know good ideas from bad but rather that he was being fed asinine bullshit ideas that were dressed up as "revolutionary" by uncreative hacks who were working in WCW creative like Vince Russo and Ed Ferara (neither of whom has ever had a single good idea on their own).
never mind that WCW was already starting to collapse at that time due to all the nepotism and back room politicking that was going on in the company
He's accusing Hogan of DUCKING him, afraid to put him over?
Hogan didn't get where he is by avoiding something that draws money!
He got where he is by avoiding things that DON'T!
Geez, Bret ought to MAKE some money before he brags about what he COULDA made if HE ran the show-- it's easy to be a clown when you don't have to run the circus!
DEFINITELY a legend in his own mind, NO proven track-record as a promoter but he acts like he's the all-time top-grossing manager!
@SouthParkBear As much as I like Hogan and what he did for the business, Bret is right on this one. For one a Hogan/Bret match would not work simply because both are so damn different it's not even funny. If we were talking about Hogan from back in the mid-80's wrestling in Japan when he used submission moves, take downs and, you know, actual wrestling moves, sure. 1997 Hogan, no way. Bret was drawing money in the WWF, but his being treated as a non-factor in WCW did nothing for him.
I'm sure Sylvester Stallone and Arnold don't know much about boxing, police-work or guerilla warfare, either! But they make TONS of money doing movies about it!
More than people who are EXPERTS like Chuck Norris and Van Damme etc!
This shows what Vince meant, when he said that "Bret forgot what the business was about--" i.e. SHOW BUSINESS!
@MrOntheborder Thats crap! Bret has always given credit to those that deserved it. He always said that his greatest matches came when he wrestled Curt Henning, that some of the best in ring workers and straight up guys have been Rude, Savage, Henning, Andre the Giant etc. Instead of bashing the guy why don't you read the 600 page book he released where he talks about his matches, some of his favorite wrestlers to work with, his life and his family.
@SouthParkBear What the fuck are you rambling about! I was talking about Bret giving credit where credit was due not about what draws or who works well at this or that. Someone said Bret bashes everyone and its always about him and thats never been the case! Read what people write before you make dumbass comments!
As soon as you see that WWE logo, you know how much of a "shoot" this really is—that is to say, it's bullshit. I'd always hoped Bret Hart would never go back to the WWE, as it would mean he would be lapping up its milk like everyone else, and here he is doing just that.
@TadRaunch your comment is the only bullshit on this page. wcw was messed up from the from the mid 90's on. the list of wrestlers who liked it is wayyy shorter than the list that hated it.
@slasher1087 I never defended the WCW. My point is the WWE today is a monolithic corporation with ideals comparable to communist China—now that's a hard motherfucking fact of life, but that's a fact of life your ass is going to have to get realistic about.
tired of hearing brett bitch
playersknowkelly 9 hours ago
sorry butt bret came to wcw expecting hogan to job for him where hogan was king that wasnt going to happen at that time. Brett shoulda came with the attitude Im at a different company and i do what they want me to do butt he didnt and that is what fucked him in wcw Brett screwed Brett again.
hdnight1999 2 days ago
Hogan just had the ear and the leg drop - lol. Bret has got to l let go.
774CISCO 3 days ago
"Bischoff never had a good idea about wrestling"
I love Bret, and I know Brischoff isn't the most successful guy in the biz, but Bischoff came up with arguably the biggest thing in wrestling history, period. Makes me sad seeing people so bitter. Got to give credit to guys like DDP, held back numerous occasions in WCW and WWE, but always remains positive.
ihateyorkie 3 days ago
they should make a dvd like this involving edge and matt hardy
CCGdude09 3 days ago
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@tsb049 I agree with you and I'm a big Bret Hart fan. I'm guessing Hart is a person that has to slowly get things out of his system as he seems to have finally buried the hatchet with McMahon and Michaels.
BobbyUK1979 3 days ago
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BobbyUK1979 3 days ago
Bret was amazing in the ring, but EVERYONE in the back that didn't have a direct tie to him has said nobody believed his own hype more. He truly thought he was the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
diedahero 4 days ago
I rather believe a guy who wasn't pilled out of his mind during the screwjob period. Drugs can serious alter your brain, thinking, whatever.
tsb049 4 days ago
man if i was wcw owner i would of had bret fueding with the nwo rite away putting him with bulldog,anvil,benoit,jericho would of been sick! then have bret beating hogan for title at starcade 98. then had him go on and defeat sting,nash,hall,flair,piper, ddp, savage then turn him heel and drop the belt to goldberg, then bret beating goldberg few months later, hence bret giving goldberg his 1st loss. then have him nd a babyface hogan rematch with hogan beating bret.at starcade 99. :)
Daredevil666Punisher 5 days ago
Bret Hart is such a crybaby.
How many years has he crying and whining?
"I beat stone cold and undertaker" - dude, it's sport entertainment Bret.
Let the past go and stop bitching and spitting negativty all around you.
Krillep 1 week ago 10
@Krillep ok man dont tell me bret didnt help the stone cold to be on top he did his job! Shawn was always refuse to lose back then. He even refuse to lose to Stone Cold in WM. shawn didnt wrestle for like 4 years and came back to WWE after being close to God or whatever and willingly did his part for guys like kurt angle, john cena! Now both have settled things so no need to spare any of the two!
gihan62 1 week ago
@Krillep
The thing is, Bret was completely right. Saying he beat The Undertaker months before that is a good point to show his position in wrestling at the time and how WCW did nothing with that.
He went from wrestling and defeating the top names in the WWF to doing absolutely nothing in WCW, when he obviously still had the popularity, marketability, amongst other things. WCW had just signed one of the biggest stars in wrestling (kayfabe and not), and treated him like a jobber.
RyanPelley1 6 days ago
@Krillep amen brother
CarbiesChronicles 4 days ago
@Krillep When Hart was saying; "I beat Stone Cold and I beat The Undertaker" I believe he was just describing his value and the push he received while with the WWF/E rather than saying he literally beat them in his matches. It's not an achievement to beat someone in a rigged contest, lol.
BobbyUK1979 3 days ago
@Krillep "Bret hart is such a crybaby". I don't feel Bret is crying or whining. If u are a former world champ or if u are a big name, what would u say if u didn't get respect when u go in another company? At least Bret is honest, he's not gonna BS.
kgp8 2 days ago
@kgp8 - Sorry, but, as far as I;m concerned, Bret is well renowned now for accusing plenty of people not showing him respect and yet wrote a book which essentially trashes about 90% of the people he encounters, mostly wrestlers. What kind of respect is Bret on about? That they didn't cow-tow to his demands? Bend like trees a full scale gale? That they never praised him 24/7? I have no idea what kind of respect would have satisfied Bret.
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@IDIOTdella ok bud. I'll say this again. If u were a big star in the major leagues like the WWF and jump shift to WCW, would u expect to be one of the top stars there too? That's like saying Helmsley going to TNA and stays in the midcard hell.
kgp8 2 days ago
@kgp8 - Not sure what point you're trying to make, because Bret WAS one of the top stars at WCW. According to Bret he was approached by Hogan to join the nWo but he turned them down - He did the same thing in the WWF when Paul Levesque and Shawn approached him to join the Clique. NOW and for such a loooong time now he complains about both controlling factions because his wanting to go solo never worked out the way he expected it to.
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@kgp8 - If it wasn't for the humungous size of Bret's ego I would be admiring him for giving the impression he'd been trying to stand strong without having to be in a clique or a controlling faction, but his motivations had nothing to do with something noble like that at all, they were all to do with his ego, believing his own hype of being the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be - that he was that good he didn't need anyone.
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@kgp8 - So anyway, as said, Bret WAS one of the top stars in the WCW and he has the belts, the titles and accolades to prove it. Like I said, I have no idea what else they could have done with him. If they'd wanted to truly bury Bret they could have, but they didn't.
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@kgp8 - As mentioned in a previous post, Bret was given titles in both tag and singles, he was given main events on the PPVs, he was turned heel and babyface and so on and so on. Frankly I don't think there was anything else they could have done with him. I think Bret complains because, at WCW, he didn't have the same stroke he had with the WWF and the titles and wins were not getting him the same kind of adulation he'd grown accustomed to when he'd been at the WWF
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@kgp8 - I can mention many occasions where Bret has lied through his teeth, so he's also not as honest as he proclaims to be either. He's a human being with as much capacity as you and I to lie, and he does, often.
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@Krillep he was talking about how WCW dropped the ball he was answering questions that are often asked. He wasn't crying he made a lot of sense his stock going into WCW was high, he had a huge moment defeating Flair in his first PPV match for the company. I noticed Bret was always held down in WCW, I don't blame Hulk Hogan I just think people like Vince Russo and Eric Bishoff have no idea how to market actual wrestling. Same thing in TNA great matches but stupid storylines
manning10231 1 day ago
@Krillep
if he let the past go and stop bitching as you claim, there would be no interviews, no dvds and a lot of unanswered questions. it's not as simple as you think it is.
1MoreRoundbrother 1 day ago
@Krillep But he DID beat those guys. That's a fact, so why not say it? What's next - he can't call himself a former WWE champion because it's not a 'real' sports belt?
And I don't think you understand that when he's asked about past events, he HAS to talk about the past. That's the whole point of this DVD. And stop acting like he's only saying negative things; he's given out a lot of props and praise as well as (deserved) criticism.
FGwriter 17 hours ago
It's beyond me why they didn't have Bret vs Hogan at Starrcade 1998
Forston23 1 week ago
@TRUTH4IDIOTS This was a fantastic 2 hours. It was a great great view.
TheDefective14 2 weeks ago
Yes he did
wintunnel23 2 weeks ago
seems like everyone in wrestling is a backstabber, makes u rethink 80s wrestling
90s wrestng seems to be the all time best as not so much drama was round
TheFirstDudeOnEarth 2 weeks ago
Hahaha, all you morons keep forgetting that even when these guys are "out of character" they are still kayfabing! Hahaha! How convenient that Bret is making negative comments about two former WWE guys (Flair and Hogan), wrestling is fun to watch (or used to be) but it's one of the biggest coniobs ever...period.
FragaLegacy 2 weeks ago
@FragaLegacy - Sorry, but that era is long gone. There is no kayfabing to that extent anymore. Bret Hart has made a living out of whining, bitching and moaning about how unfairly he's been treated by all and sundry. What Bret seems to forget is that as much as he has long memory so do others and they remember stuff that he's said and done too. Was he truly apologetic towards Hogan and Flair, or was he apologising just because he knew they were where the money was in WCW?
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
Hogan was written all over Bret's treatment in WCW. Vince turned the screwjob into WWF hottest angle, yet WCW pissed away Bret WHO WAS THE MAIN PART OF THE SCREWJOB!!! Unreal. Everything about Bret's booking made no sense, joining NWO, winning the U.S belt, feuding with lackluster talent, dumbass angles and the whole Goldberg situation reminded me of WM 9 all over again.
TheDalinkwent 2 weeks ago
yeah u cant trust hulk hogan sure he has done a lot of charity work but he is ruthless when it comes to money he would rip his own mother off lol
shredmaster100 2 weeks ago
Bret definitely would have out shined Hogan..reading Hogan's two books, he certainly is not the man I thought he was..What Andre did for him at WM3 was pure class...No Hogan couldn't return the favor to Hart, he'd rather drop to Yokozuna?
I also like how Bret tells it like it is right in front of Shawn, that HBK never beat him..and he didn't, Vince rang the bell...and got KO'd in front of his children in the locker room.
(then again, many people believe that the Montreal Screwjob was a work).
09Brant 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - Sheesh! Has any of the the Bret Hart Marks read Bret Cartoon world book? Read it because Bret explains it in detail about why Hogan dropped the belt to Yoko instead of Bret. 1) Back n those days it was hard to sell a face on face match, which Hogan and Bret would have been. 2) Hogan suggested to McMahon that if he dropped it to Yoko, who was the top heel at the time, and for Yoko to drop it off to Bret, McMahon would be guaranteed 2 solid heel/face matches.. tbc...
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - (cont'd) Instead of one potentially disastrous face on faced match. This proposition guaranteed McMahon TWO solid matches and, more importantly, TWO solid money draws, instead of ONE potentially disastrous money draw. Business wise it made sense for McMahon to go with Hogan's suggestion. Bret's reply to Hogan was for him to go fuck himself - that's part of why there is heat between them both.
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - Also, you talk as if all the wins in the ring were/are for real. Sorry to break it to you like this, but.... NOBODY wins in the ring! The matches, storylines and lead-ups are scripted and the matches themselves are choreographed between the wrestlers involved. That's one of the scary things about Bret. He gives the impression that his wins in the ring were for real, but the belt is just an indication of who is the biggest fan favourite of the time. Hogan was proof of that
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@IDIOTdella my man, you just took up three posts to me and I'm beginning to think that you think it's all real.
09Brant 2 weeks ago
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IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@IDIOTdella My man, how did I remotely "put you down"? No, "what you've written" is YOUR own personal perspective. I disagree.
Nervous? Paranoid? Chill out, dude...I didn't dis you. You offered an opinion, and I disagree. re-read my original posts that you quickly took out of context.
Cheers.
09Brant 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - Stop calling me "my man" it has a condescending tone to it which sets the tone of the rest of your post. I read your post about you thinking Bret would have outshone Hogan and how he couldn't return the favour to Bret. I was letting you know why I thought that was bullshit and giving you a source for that opinion which was Bret's book. Also, and this is speculation, but given that Hulkamania was still going very strong at the time, Bret would never have outshone Hogan
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - I was expecting you to deny what I'd said, say it was a load of bullshit. I suppose since you couldn't deny what I'd said was true you decided to diss me personally and assume something else that's not true. Oh well...
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@IDIOTdella
oh, boy...when did I say it was a "load of bs??"...I think you need to stop displacing your anger. Go to sleep little bear...it must be late across the pond.
09Brant 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - Seems pretty obvious that you don't think patronising and adopting a condescending manner is insulting. Interesting. Just to re-iterate, because it appears you're not paying attention, I said I was *expecting* you to tell me it was a load of bullshit, but instead decided to diss me personally instead. I did not say you had said it was bullshit. Take some of your own advice and read my post, twice if you have to, just so you know what's being said.
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@IDIOTdella
relax, stop taking wrestling so serious...and I replied to YOUr post that I respectfully disagree. I think Hogan knew Bret would have out classed him..Hulk's time was coming to a close
09Brant 2 weeks ago
@09Brant - Yes, I agree, Bret would have outclassed Hogan in the ring wrestling wise, he would have outclassed quite a few of the wrestlers at the time, but, in my opinion, he would not have outshone Hogan. Hogan's time has been coming to a close for the last 20 years, but it still hasn't reached a time where he could not draw - more's the pity. I don't take wrestling seriously, I enjoy watching it, expressing an opinion on it is a different ballgame
IDIOTdella 2 weeks ago
@IDIOTdella okay, I see that point..good perspective
09Brant 2 weeks ago
Which DVD is this interview on?
MrMojoman1976 2 weeks ago
@MrMojoman1976 The Bret Vs Shawn Greatest Rivalries Set
FragaLegacy 2 weeks ago
wrestlers have always been treated like raw meat by promoters
officialvangcreative 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
from 92 on nobody gave a crap for anything assosiated with hogan..allright he got the belt at wrestlemania 9 but what kind of match was that?? wwf ruled the world, no hogan and hulkamania were needed and bret hart had a lot to do with it..because he is the best there is the best there was and the best there ever will be..hbk was really good too these two had superior matches together..he knows bret is right..and he hates hogan too;)
Spionsilver 2 weeks ago
I dont know......He just said his bashing of Hogan and Flair(before he came to WCW) was that that of a WWE(F) company guy. Maybe all this current bashing is because Bret no matter where Bret goes, he always will be a WWE(F) compant guy. Mainly because Hogan, Bischoff, and Flair are in TNA......
Neomac316 2 weeks ago
Both men admit they fucked things up during the whole time-period in question...both admit a share of responsibilty. They're both right to do so. They were both wrong & they both say so, but they've both come a long way since then, too - being a step away from it all so many years later - both are more mature, being older and wiser...perhaps their fans ( I am a fan of both, myself ) could learn something from the 2 men these guys are NOW.
craigandjolene 2 weeks ago
@craigandjolene fuck...how many times can I use the word "both" in one paragraph? :$
craigandjolene 2 weeks ago
Listen people, I actually KNOW someone who was an employee of WCW from 1994-2000. I asked him about what Bret says in this interview and he says that Bret is without a doubt, one of the biggest liars there ever was. Bret is his own public relations nightmare and has no credibilty. The reason he was "screwed" in WCW is because WCW KNEW they could TANK the hottest free agent for REFUSING TO DO HIS FUCKING JOB!!!! You drop the belt when you are on your way out, no questions asked.
romeokid69 3 weeks ago
@romeokid69 Actually, Bret was willing to drop the belt on his way out. You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Sage80 2 weeks ago
@Sage80 No offense basement dweller but I know EXACTLY what I am talking about and if you paid attention to the story, Bret did NOT want to drop the belt.....to ANYONE. He wanted to come out the next night on RAW and hand the title to Vince. It had nothing to do with his animosity towards Shawn. It is because Bret feels that all this is real. He compares himself to great athletes such as Gretsky and others in that upper echelon and feels that he has saved the world. He is a con man.
romeokid69 2 weeks ago
@romeokid69 Actually, felcher, you obviously didn't watch the whole thing. Love how raging & worked up people get when they're exposed on youtube. I bet you feel safe behind your laptop. Shawn refused to work with Bret & job to him, and Bret returned the favor. Bret has made it very clear that he would have dropped it even to Shawn in a different city. You're exaggerating, and displaying your ignorance. Read his book. You don't even know how to spell Gretzky. Cockbreath.
Sage80 2 weeks ago
@Sage80 The fact that you used the work felcher scares me, you insignificant little pillow biter. Shawn refused to job to Bret ONLY AFTER Bret said he wouldn't job to Shawn. If you delve a little further into the story, idiot, you will realize that it got to the point where it did not matter what city they were in. BRET REFUSED TO DO HIS JOB!!!!!! I dont care if you dont like the guy or have some vendetta. If it's personal, settle it in another way. What Bret did only fucked himself over
romeokid69 2 weeks ago 10
@romeokid69
And what you are obviously clueless about is that Bret had a clause which stated that in the last 30 days of his contract he had creative control of his matches.
It didn't matter if McMahon wanted him to drop the belt, Bret legally didn't have to and that is why they agreed on Bret dropping it on Raw the next night, not at the PPV.
But that wasn't good enough for McMahon.
So Bret didn't refuse to do his job - get educated before spewing crap.
MKShaggy1985 2 weeks ago 3
@MKShaggy1985 - Bret had REASONABLE Creative Control over his CHARACTER, so he could terminate or rework storylines if he felt they were detrimental to the "Hit Man". He never EVERRRRRR had control over whom he dropped the belt to or where and when because that's purely a business decision, therefore it was/still is solely Vince's. Vince tried for 3 months prior to the MSJ to get Bret to drop the belt to Shawn, he refused every scenario because it involved dropping it to Shawn
IDIOTdella 4 days ago
@IDIOTdella
Nonsense. When to drop the belt is the biggest creative control you can have. Why would you have a contract that said you could have creative control over minor stuff and not the one major thing anyone really cares about? That makes absolutely no sense.
Fact is, Bret had the control, he refused to drop the belt at the PPV and they agreed he would drop it on Raw but Vince screwed him.
MKShaggy1985 3 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 - Not nonsense I'm afraid. Bret had REASONABLE control over his character, not complete control. Not only would it not be good business sense to allow a wrestler the freedom to pick and choose when he drops the belt, or whom he drops it to, but also Bret had no problem with dropping the belt, he just didn't want to drop it to Shawn - so, even if you are right, the problem was not when but to whom which Bret most definitely would not have had any say in.
IDIOTdella 3 days ago
@IDIOTdella
Rubbish - he had the control and Vince screwed him.
You don't seem to realise that the control was only valid for the LAST 30 DAYS of his contract so it wasn't a case of picking and choosing.
Bret didn't mind losing to Shawn - he just didn't want to at the PPV but on Raw.
Bret never screwed Vince. Stop twisting things.
Bret had control in the last 30 days - they agreed for him to drop the belt on Raw then Vince screwed him on the PPV night.
MKShaggy1985 2 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 - Sorry but you really haven't done your homework at all about this. You need to look beyond just Bret's POV, or even just listen to what Bret says about it from various sources as well as this one. Are you aware of Bret's admission that he would have dropped the belt to anyone but Shawn? Are you aware of Bret's admission that he didn't care about losing in Canada that he'd lost there many times before in his career, he just didn't want to lost to Shawn?
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@IDIOTdella
You're the one who needs to stop listening to Bret's POV if you're just going to recite his lines from the Bret Hart Story video about losing in Canada often enough.
You're just rejecting the facts I pointed out for the stories you want to believe.
Bret had creative control in the last 30 days of his contract - that means he could choose who to drop the belt to.
Stop making shit up.
They agreed he would drop the belt on Raw but Vince screwed him at the PPV.
MKShaggy1985 2 hours ago
@MKShaggy1985 - Gees, man, how can I be making up shit if you're accusing me of reciting lines from Bret's DVDs? Your posts don't have any facts in them so what I'm actually doing is rejecting your uninformed POV.
IDIOTdella 1 hour ago
@MKShaggy1985 - Are you aware of Bret's Cartoon Woirld book where gives details of two contracts he procured from Vince, using the WCW card and an up and coming court case against Vince as collateral to insure Vince agreed to the deals - even when other wrestlers were being let go because the WWF was not doing well? Don't know how many times I have to say REASONABLE control until it sinks in with you...
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 I also don't know how many times I have to tell you that Vince agreed ON THE NIGHT of the MSJ (it's on Bret Wrestling with Shadows DVD) that Bret could have his DQ ending and by default his forfeiting the title the next night on RAW, but that he'd only agreed to that because the screwjob had already been arranged.
A question: Do you think Bret would have done the match if McMahon hadn't agreed to the DQ ending and the forfeiting of the title?
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 - Another question: Do you think it's possible Bret told McMahon that he wouldn't do the match unless McMahon agreed to do the DQ ending and the forfeiting of the title the next night on RAW?
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 - Also, in relation to this video, Bret goes on as if the WCW did nothing with him, and yet they put titles on him, tag as well as singles, they put him in several main events at PPVs, they babyfaced him, turned him heel and so on and so on. To be honest, I'm not sure what ELSE they could have done with him.
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 - As said before McMahon only agreed to the DQ ending and the forfeiting of the belt the next night on RAW because the screwjob was already in place. Yes, Vince screwed Bret with the help of Shawn and Earl, however, essentially Bret was trying to screw McMahon as well, he'd done it twice before concerning his contracts and he was trying to do it with the belt because the forfeiting of the title would only have benefited Bret not the company or the other wrestlers
IDIOTdella 3 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 He NEVER agreed to drop it on RAW, he agreed to hand it over. BUT, that would not have worked seeing as how at 12:01am, Bret was an amployee at WCW.......and by the way, the guy who signs the paychecks has the FINAL SAY!!!! If you tried pulling creative control at YOUR job.............YOU'D GET FIRED!!!!!!!
romeokid69 3 days ago
@romeokid69
The creative control for the last 30 days was a clause in his contract SIGNED BY THE BOSS.
MKShaggy1985 2 days ago
@MKShaggy1985 - McMahon agreed on the day to the DQ ending at Survivor Series 97, (and so by default the forfeiting of the title on RAW the next night), because the screwjob was already in place - so he already knew it was not going to be happening that way.
IDIOTdella 4 days ago
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plgillam 1 week ago
@romeokid69 I haven't heard the word "felcher" for like 15 or more years.
thewilliamgregg 1 week ago
@romeokid69 Bret said it was the opposite way round, Shawn said he would not job to Bret first. Jim Cornette and Jerry lawler both agree on that. Shawn is pretty much agreed at the time was unprofessional, he had refused to job to Vader before and treated him and others horribly. But really what matters is that both guys acted unprofessionaly. Vince was too stupid to realise that thw two of them hated each other and he should have taken the title off Bret well before Survivor series,
juzt156 1 week ago
@romeokid69 i love how these guys are cashing in, and are for all intents and purposes friends again, and you kids are still arguing about this....
asshowl 1 week ago
@asshowl Hey Junior, you know what? YOU'D cash in too if you thought people would be talking about you all over YouTube........WE ALL WOULD TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY GENIUS!!!!!! LOL
romeokid69 2 days ago
@romeokid69 what?
asshowl 1 day ago
@romeokid69 I don't understand how your comment holds any water. Hart did job to HBK (WM12, Ironman match, cleanly too).
jfuya2000 3 days ago
@jfuya2000 Actually, Bret tried EVERYTHING he could to have that match NOT happen. Anyone who is a wrestling fan should know that. He KNEW Shawn was better, but Bret brought his ego to a whole new level. Go listen to some current interviews with people who were "friends" with Bret back then.......they all say the same thing. BRET REFUSED TO DO HIS JOB..........on more than just one occasion.
romeokid69 3 days ago
@romeokid69 I agree with that =) but I still say, shoulda/coulda/woulda - Bret still physically went down at the hands of HBK (WM12) (i.e. at the end of the day, he jobbed to HBK). But where was the rematch that had HBK job to Hart? They had one previous match back in 93/94 (not too sure about the dates), but that was a different situation (imo) =)
jfuya2000 2 days ago
@jfuya2000 - What ahppened a the end of WM12 was that Bret left to go do his stint on Lonesome Dove, one reason why he was jobbing to Shawn at WM12 because he needed time off to go do that. It was also not certain he would return, not even Bret could say he would because he'd been expecting LD to take off with him at the helm - so essentially the WWF moved on with Shawn as top dog and working SCSA as his No1 contender.
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@jfuya2000 - Bret came back with a Champion's attitude and expected to be treated as such and was expecting to be slotte dinto being Shawn's No1 contender without any problems. One, that was a problem because they'd spent the time Bret wass away giving SCSA a massive push and 2, Shawn has been reported as saying are we moving forward or taking steps back when it was suggested Bret take the place of SCSA.
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@jfuya2000 I personally think Vince's insistence that Bret be given the title soon after his return and also the knee injury might have been the main reasons Shawn forfeited the title before WM13. Shawn's also said he was not prepared to go into a ring injured with someone whom he knew hated him. Considering Bret had deliberately hurt two wrestlers before then, Backlund and Lawler, it could've been a justifiable concern. The start of their MSJ match was really stiff, so who knows.
IDIOTdella 2 days ago
@IDIOTdella Full heartily (no pun intended) agree =)
jfuya2000 2 days ago
@jfuya2000 Actually the match in 1992 was at Survivor Series which at the time, was WWF/E's second biggest PPV. Shawn JOBBED to Bret HAPPILY in that match because Shawn even admits that he was not ready for the big time belt just yet. And let's get one thing clear. Bret CRIED and WHINED about having to wrestle Shawn again at WM 12. It was not knowledge at that time but it is NOW. And just to be clear, I am in NO WAY defending Shawn. He was just as bad as Bret. They are both divas.
romeokid69 2 days ago
@romeokid69 lol oh I agree with that =) But the fact still remains, albeit through whining and complaining, Bret still jobbed to HBK (Bigger stage: WM, Bigger Match: 1st ever Ironman match, Both Super Faces: I think the Sur. Ser. had HBK as a heel, but I'm not sure) so Bret did do his duty. He was a diva about it, but at LEAST he didn't pull politics like some others do that allow oneself to keep the title forever and never lose the big match. =)
jfuya2000 2 days ago
@jfuya2000 - To be honest, as with many things with Bret, when you don't delve deeper than what it looks like on paper, Bret always comes out on top as if he did things for the greater good, but when you delve even just a little deeper than that, you discover that the greater good didn't have a part to play in the first place. The circumstances surrounding WM12 were completely different to Sur Ser. I'll bullet point he differences. tbc...
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - 1 Bret was hoping to come back to the WWF after his stint at LD so he NEEDED to job to Shawn at WM12 so it left people happy and things open for his possible return - At Survivor Series Bret was leaving for the WCW so he didn't NEED to do anything which is partially the reason why you had him throwing tantrums, refusing to do the job. Actually not bullet points because I think this is the most crucial one.
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - Sorry just a bit more. So all in all, Bret had the perfect opportunity to perform a truly unselfish act by dropping the belt to Shawn, and by default show the other wrestlers and McMahon the respect he claimed(s) he had for them, to prove he was a man of honour respect and integrity, but he couldn't do it - instead he again pushed for something which only he would benefit - which, in turn, basically conveyed the message 'screw the rest of you'.
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@IDIOTdella I agree about the way Bret handling Sur. Ser. 97 was bad, but the way I see the LD piece is that all parties did what was mutually beneficial for all parties (no1 left in the cold). But I will still hold true to my case that Bret didn't beat Mega-Star Status HBK ever (Only lesser known HBK back in 92 - i.e. doesn't mean much). Meanwhile the record will show that HBK on TWO occasions beat Mega-Star Bret (WM12 & Sur. Ser. 97). All the greats trade matches with each other...
jfuya2000 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - I agree with you, I was just attempting to show you a difference in Bret's possible motivations from WM12 to Sur Ser 97. I guess the smart mark(? - I'm never up with the correct terminology of these things :-D) in me realises that it's not really much of a record because it's all scripted anyway - and as you say all the greats trade matches with each other to either promote the good guy or bad guy, the psychology or a future PPV and so on.
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - In my opinion, to this day, Bret still has never managed to beat Shawn Michaels the Superstar because Shawn had it all, the mic skills, the entertainment value, he could bring a fun to his wrestling into the ring and his in ring ability was as good as Bret's as well. Whereas Bret is a good technical wrestler but, for me, he's never been much of an entertainer Also mentioned elsewhere you got to a stage where you could call almsot 2 3rds of his matches ...
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - because he rarely brought something new to them - and I blame the internet internet and DVDs for that because although most matches were generally in different towns so that the people attending would be seeing the match for the first time, the internet and DVDs don't really reflect that.
Um, I think I've gone off on a different tangent here, sorry. :-)
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - Just to finish on though, the difference being, for me that is, is that I can still sit down and thoroughly enjoy a Shawn Michaels match because although he too brought a similar match each time there were enough surprising elements that were diffeerent to still make them worth watching and entertaining
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@IDIOTdella I actually agree with everything you've just said =) lol Truth be told, HBK DID have it all. Bret just wasn't that entertaining in comparison (A decent rationale for why HBK the Superstar was never beat by Bret). And I do see the possible differences in Bret's motivations now b/c of you =) (Sighs - I just miss the old days when I had my superhero-like wrestlers like Bret, i guess lol. I actually cried the night he lost at WM12. Had a hard time cheerin' for HBK afterwards)
jfuya2000 1 day ago
@jfuya2000 - I totally agree with you. I too miss the old days when all of the characters, even unbelievable ones like the Undertaker, were so well rounded and had believable depth to them. I sometimes think that Hulk Hogan was the saviour but also the curse of Wrestling Entertainment, because although he helped make the Wrestling Entertainment business as popular as it is today, he also intro'd the cartoon characters which exist more or less as a whole in today's business. ;-(
IDIOTdella 1 day ago
@Sage80 2/2 Bret is a loser. The only good thing that came out of that family was Owen. God bless him. A Hart that WASN'T a little whiny BITCH like your boyfriend Bret. Safe behind my laptop, you say? if you even had an inkling of a clue as to what I do for a living, you'd change your tune real quick. Now get out of your mother's basement and get some sun TROLL!!!!!
romeokid69 2 weeks ago
hey bret you are the best ricflair the best there is an hulk hogan is the best there ever will be
2jimmyjames 3 weeks ago
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Im tired of hearing dumbass ppl saying with out hogan there wouldnt haven been the rock,stone cold,bret, shawn, ect...IT WAS VINCE KENNEDY McMAHON THAT MADE FUCKIN HOGAN VINCE IS THE MAIN REASON OF US HAVING GREAT LEGENDS TO WATCH AND LOVE THEM 4 WHAT THEY DO...HOGAN WAS JUST IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND AT THE RIGHT TIME BUT OTHER THAN THAT HOGAN IS JUST A FUCKIN TOOL, YA BEST BELIEVE THAT
blazecable9 3 weeks ago
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blazecable9 3 weeks ago
"this and a leg drop." LOL. So fucking true.
FabulousZero 3 weeks ago 2
Get off your high horse Bret...good lord.
Antrizzle2009 3 weeks ago
BRET HART > hogan
jaffaraod 3 weeks ago
Bret Hart is 1 million times a better wrestler & performer than Hulk Hogan!!
JDangerous20 3 weeks ago
Bret doesnt get that he will never be as good as Hogan! If there was no Hogan, Bret wouldnt be what he was! He was expecting Hogan to pass him the torch? Why, Hogan is in his 60's now and still in great shape!
extremelucky 3 weeks ago
@extremelucky If it weren't for Bret, Piper, Hennig, Savage and countless others serving as support to Hogan in the 80's and early 90's, where would he be? Don't act like Hogan did it himself. Hogan wouldn't be what HE was without the enormity of supporting talent on the roster during that time... not to mention the extensive celebrity involvement.
andross637 2 weeks ago
Hmm...Bret is still crying about stuff.
"I beat Undertaker, Stone Cold" - dude, people need to let the past go.
It's just sports entertainment. Seriously Bret...
GreggggA 3 weeks ago 6
@GreggggA quit your whining.
Sage80 2 weeks ago
@GreggggA So, he should answer the interviewer "Well, people are tired of hearing my answer to that one, so you're gonna have to go google my past interviews." when he's being asked a question?
officialvangcreative 2 weeks ago
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cSilentnDeadlyc 2 weeks ago
@GreggggA to you its just entertainment, to the wrestlers of the past like Bret, undertaker, stone cold ect its more than just entertainment it was their life ....
cSilentnDeadlyc 2 weeks ago
@GreggggA
This is from a new DVD about his career after leaving the WWE. He and Shawn will be discussing their feud and then when Bret left. So naturally this is what they will be discussing.
TheJosephPrice 2 weeks ago
@GreggggA He was asked a question about his time in WCW he's answering ffs, what do you expect him to do get up and start shufflin?
thgm2 1 week ago
@GreggggA the whole point of this dvd/interview is 4 bret nd shawn to talk about thier PAST fued! a dvd that myself nd OTHERS really want to see! obviously u aint gotta clue as to what the hell this dvd is about, nd if you do then no offence but thats the stupidest comment ive ever seen, nd the 6 idiots that liked it are even DUMBER!
Daredevil666Punisher 5 days ago
Hogan is an asshole
cbbakshi2020 3 weeks ago
bret should be more angry at nash he was the main booker during that period.
moggy1231 3 weeks ago
maybe bret's bitter because bischoff wanted him to form the nwo because he was leaving the wwf but ended up resigning with the wwf and then hogan took his place.
moggy1231 3 weeks ago
hogan knew nothing except he drew more money than any other wrestler.
moggy1231 3 weeks ago
Bret Hart can bitch about WCW all he wants, but at the end of the day, Bret didn't exactly put on stellar performances in WCW. All his matches and promos were average.
wsymphony 3 weeks ago
@EddieNeverSleeps i dont know why.. he ended up leaving me the cheque too
mitchdolphinsfan2 3 weeks ago
Bret was paid millions by WCW. What's his beef? Sure, he wasn't used well. But he made out like a fiend. I love hearing this guy always act like he was a victim. This is the same guy who refused to job the belt to Shawn before he left WWE simply because of a grudge. And to this day doesn't take any responsibility for it, like his actions were just. Had anyone done that to Bret, he'd never stop bitching about it for the rest of his life.
DrBananaKing7000 4 weeks ago 13
@DrBananaKing7000 tru dat
killbarberastreisand 4 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000... Wow looks like your facts are completely mixed up. Shawn is the one who refused to Job to Bret at WM 13. Which is why he gave up the belt and said he was injured. Shawn is the one who refuses to job to people and that has no place in the business, believe me I was a worker for many years and winning and losing means nothing it's how good of a show you put on. Get a life idiot.
pegasus51505317 3 weeks ago
@pegasus51505317 My facts are not mixed up. Bret refused to job the belt to Shawn before jumping ship to another company. You DO NOT do that. And if that really is true about Shawn, then I guess that makes them even. Now go back to sucking your boyfriend's fat cock before he get lonely.
DrBananaKing7000 3 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Listen to Scott Hall's interview on Bret. You will find out what a stuck up, pompous asshole Hart is.
Stitchman3875 3 weeks ago
@Stitchman3875 ya, there's a reliable source.
Sage80 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Actually, HBK refused to job to him. Bret just returned the favor, as he had reasonable creative control in his contract for the last 30 days. You need to watch the whole thing, It's obvious you're juts marking for Shawn, or perhaps a relative of his. People whining about Bret need to watch the whole special. It's not about money. It's about the company giving you the respect you've earned & using you in teh best way.
Sage80 2 weeks ago
@Sage80 Bret's circumstances were different. He was leaving the company. He had to job the belt to someone. You can't jump ship to another company as the heavyweight champion, it's bad for business.
DrBananaKing7000 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 if my last employer paid me ten million a year, I'd still think they were doing business the wrong way - getting a good wage doesn't automatically stop you from thinking your own thoughts about things... and this is what he's being asked about, so he answers the question.
officialvangcreative 2 weeks ago
@officialvangcreative That's be true if this were a one time answer. But Bret's been complaining like this for years. This is nothing new. He acts like his whole career was an injustice. He focuses too much on the negative, I hardly hear him reminisce about the positive things he's done.
DrBananaKing7000 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 maybe thats because interviewers always ask him these damn survivor series questions... i have two dvds where he is reminiscing about his entire career, his book, etc...
officialvangcreative 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 now he's said he's finished with the ~Montreal incident. so you won't be hearing it any more from him. and he only brings it up when people ask him about it. nearly every interview he does people ask him about montreal, and since this video IS ABOUT montreal, it'd be pretty weird of him to just gloss over it.
kdreamland 2 weeks ago
@kdreamland Not jobbing at Wrestlemania 13 was Shawn's fault, yes. But Shawn wasn't leaving the company like Bret was. To refuse to job the belt was pretty shitty on Shawn's part. But to refuse to job the belt before jumping ship to another company is wrong. Shawn did deserve it on many levels. But it didn't just hurt Shawn, it hurt everybody working there and the company's credibility. And he wasn't talking about Montreal, he was talking about WCW and Hogan.
DrBananaKing7000 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 shawn did it to Bret. but I guess people always let Shawn off for 'losing his smile' and dropping the belt RIGHT BEFORE WRESTLEMANIA 13, saying he could never wrestle again. then about 4 months later oh look who's WWF tag champs Shawn and Stone Cold
kdreamland 2 weeks ago
i just figured the WCW (with much respect) just was never as good as the WWE, Sting was a hit in the WCW but would be the equivilint too Daniel Bryan in todays WWE. eric bisshof is a cocky bastard who i have never liked my entire life, had dinner with the guy years ago and just was a total asshole
mitchdolphinsfan2 4 weeks ago
@mitchdolphinsfan2 Y the hell did u have dinner with eric bischoff?
EddieNeverSleeps 4 weeks ago
Bret couldn't of expected to be shoved with hogan day 1 in wcw, the big match with sting was the same month...but turned into shit. Maybe febuary could of been the earliest time but I agree wcw had no use for him. He could of been HUGE for them after the screwjob but as he said bischoff didn't know good from bad ideas.
sleazyfellow 4 weeks ago
@sleazyfellow
The problem at the time was not so much that Eric Bishofff didn`t know good ideas from bad but rather that he was being fed asinine bullshit ideas that were dressed up as "revolutionary" by uncreative hacks who were working in WCW creative like Vince Russo and Ed Ferara (neither of whom has ever had a single good idea on their own).
never mind that WCW was already starting to collapse at that time due to all the nepotism and back room politicking that was going on in the company
Hammerhead547 3 weeks ago
What DVD is this from?
MikeTHFC1882 1 month ago
@MikeTHFC1882 greatest rivalries shawn and brett
mrorange101 1 month ago
Ok, Bret really lost it.
He's accusing Hogan of DUCKING him, afraid to put him over?
Hogan didn't get where he is by avoiding something that draws money!
He got where he is by avoiding things that DON'T!
Geez, Bret ought to MAKE some money before he brags about what he COULDA made if HE ran the show-- it's easy to be a clown when you don't have to run the circus!
DEFINITELY a legend in his own mind, NO proven track-record as a promoter but he acts like he's the all-time top-grossing manager!
SouthParkBear 1 month ago
@SouthParkBear As much as I like Hogan and what he did for the business, Bret is right on this one. For one a Hogan/Bret match would not work simply because both are so damn different it's not even funny. If we were talking about Hogan from back in the mid-80's wrestling in Japan when he used submission moves, take downs and, you know, actual wrestling moves, sure. 1997 Hogan, no way. Bret was drawing money in the WWF, but his being treated as a non-factor in WCW did nothing for him.
Ruisu7 1 month ago
"Hogan never knew anything about wrestling"
Yeah Bret-- IT'S NOT REAL!
"Wrestling" is just a figure of speech!
I'm sure Sylvester Stallone and Arnold don't know much about boxing, police-work or guerilla warfare, either! But they make TONS of money doing movies about it!
More than people who are EXPERTS like Chuck Norris and Van Damme etc!
This shows what Vince meant, when he said that "Bret forgot what the business was about--" i.e. SHOW BUSINESS!
He thinks it's REAL!
SouthParkBear 1 month ago
what is this video from?
jmmypaddy 1 month ago
Notice anytime BRET talks its all about how HE is good and everyone else sucks.
MrOntheborder 1 month ago
@MrOntheborder Thats crap! Bret has always given credit to those that deserved it. He always said that his greatest matches came when he wrestled Curt Henning, that some of the best in ring workers and straight up guys have been Rude, Savage, Henning, Andre the Giant etc. Instead of bashing the guy why don't you read the 600 page book he released where he talks about his matches, some of his favorite wrestlers to work with, his life and his family.
Shaggzila 1 month ago 2
@Shaggzila
Because you don't need to read a fucking 600 page book to realize he COULDN'T DRAW THE MONEY!
It's not ABOUT what he wants or likes!
It's about what the FANS like-- and not just the die-hard minority who memorize every fact and figure and take it seriously!
It's about the BOTTOM LINE-- it's not called show FRIENDSHIP, it's show BUSINESS!
You know-- ENTERTAINMENT!
SouthParkBear 1 month ago
@SouthParkBear What the fuck are you rambling about! I was talking about Bret giving credit where credit was due not about what draws or who works well at this or that. Someone said Bret bashes everyone and its always about him and thats never been the case! Read what people write before you make dumbass comments!
Shaggzila 1 month ago
@MrOntheborder
Yep, they said he was a whiner, but he showed them!
LOL
So where's all the MONEY he made, if he's so much better?
Or is he better in some way that doesn't make money, which can't be measured?
So then it's his subjective opinion?
Pretty vague huh.
SouthParkBear 1 month ago
Bret is a cry baby... Overly inflated ego, legend in his OWN mind.
MrOntheborder 1 month ago
Bret is an liar. He, Shawn and Triple H the real Vince asskisser.
Taubi81 1 month ago
@Taubi81
Asskisser? More like "married the boss's daughter and ditch the psycho-transvestite junkie."
SHAWN was the ass-kisser-- LITERALLY... as well as the hare that lost the race to the tortoise.
SouthParkBear 1 month ago
bret hart kills hogan
thecasketmatch 1 month ago
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TheSubHerbz 1 month ago
As soon as you see that WWE logo, you know how much of a "shoot" this really is—that is to say, it's bullshit. I'd always hoped Bret Hart would never go back to the WWE, as it would mean he would be lapping up its milk like everyone else, and here he is doing just that.
TadRaunch 1 month ago
@TadRaunch your comment is the only bullshit on this page. wcw was messed up from the from the mid 90's on. the list of wrestlers who liked it is wayyy shorter than the list that hated it.
slasher1087 1 month ago
@slasher1087 I never defended the WCW. My point is the WWE today is a monolithic corporation with ideals comparable to communist China—now that's a hard motherfucking fact of life, but that's a fact of life your ass is going to have to get realistic about.
TadRaunch 1 month ago
@TadRaunch you literally could have chosen any billion dollar company on the planet to say that about but you chose wwe.
slasher1087 1 month ago