Better change this video. Now it's a haven with the encroachment of Orientals, Russians, Mexicans and Arabs that don't assimilate. What once was....will never be. Case in point even Dyker Heights the once bastion of Italians is being taken over,except for a small pocket that remains, bet is also eroding from 11th Avenue down to 8th Avenue and from 75th Street to 86th Street. Eight Avenue once Norwegian is now Chinatown from 65th Street to Sunset Park, and down to 6th Avenue.
What the hell was that? Why do Italian Americans always feel a need to justify their existence? Why couldn't Northern Italians have come to America? Oh yeah... because they were educated, intelligent, culturally refined, prosperous & didn't need to. What did America get? Southern Italians... the dregs of Europe. No other region of the world was occupied by more foreign armies than southern Italy? No other people has bent over & spread it more than Southern Italians. And Columbus was Jewish.
There are more Italians living in Bay Ridge or Marine Park, than Bensonhurst. Everybody sold their 2 family, and now live in a micro townhouse in Staten Island. Bensonhurst is mostly Asian. This summer, 2011, the 18th Avenue feast is cancelled.
@orlyrad i heard Bensohurst and Little Italy is hella Chinese and Russian Albanians now....only a few italians left but mostly because they moved up to a higher class.....I would highly doubt in NY italians got ran out by some chinks and flunky albanian undercover moslems.
@BrooklynAVS i'm a real italian from real Italy you are fake you don't which city is our capital, you don't know our history, you don't know our culture and our real mentalityand you don't even know italian language , you are not italian you are an italian american capito stronzo? non sai manco l'italiano quindi non farti figo
@NMWMN it's the home of italians in america! in all seriousness though, i lived there back when i was in college and i really consider it to be something like a second home. being there made me feel right at home, almost like i never left sicily. i'm not sure about now, but back then the culture was very strong there. more so than any other place i've been to in america.
I live in Bensonhurst, as have three generations of my family. Its is much more mixed ethnically than ever, Russians, Chinese, Latinos, hipsters escaping high rents in hipper zip codes. I love it, its got genuine flavor - sometimes I walk down 18th Ave. and listen to the old gentlemen speaking Italian while sipping espresso on the street, then get great Malaysian food and cannolis - where else can you find that? Yes, there are guidos and someone is always yelling, but its magic.
I live on 85th St. near 18th ave., smack in the middle of Bensonhurst. Its a charming melting pot with tons of flavor. Sophisticated? Not if you like high culture, but you won't find more beautiful Italian pastries and Frank and Sal's Market is absolute heaven for prosciutto, fresh cheeses and imported delicacies. I love to walk down 18th Ave. in the spring and watch the old men sit in front of the Italian clubhouse, sipping espresso and conversing in Italian. I love it!
@rahnyc4 nope, actually met some cool people. strangest thing was they were acting hood. i met this russian dude that reminded me of a white version of my homeboy.
@Saaatana I completely agree. Wonderbread WASP medigan...not my style. You should love your culture, learn about it, embrace it. Not try to assimilate into a WASPy society that, in the end, will still think of you as a lesser "greasy dago wop" no matter what you do.
You people do realize that you're as close to being Italian, as your forebarers who came here (whenever that was) were to being American? Only difference is, they left Italy with a desire to come someplace where they could be something better. Where they could give their families a better life. In short, they would have killed to be put in the position you're all in.
As my Italian grandfather used to say: "If Italy was so good, why don't you go back?"
i remember like a good 15 years ago when i was a little little kid. it was ALL ITALIANS. then the russians took over. then the italians came back. now the chinese are all over here.
a pure race dont exist,everybody is a fade and a mix of other race,maybe only the Boscimani from kalahari is a pure race (and its not sure)cause everybody in this world are linked to their genetics..stop sayng bullshit and talking about fades,or let me know the line beetween a black and a white cause i cant determinate!!!
I really hate to say this, but Bensonhurst is changing. Asians, Russians, Polish, Arab,Indian and Mexicns are slowly- but surely replacing thed Italian American community here. It is for the most part a working class neighborhood, but there is a small middle to upper middle class presence. Asides from that, this is a "bedroom" community and features very little artistic and cultural events, save for Italian festivals, block parties and a small Columbus Day parade.The Upper West Side it ain`t!
Some stupid asshole(prolly American) said Italians are a mixed race of Irish and Sicilian. Wow! So are Americans a mixed race of fat-asses and retards?
And then, you all have to know about the law (at the beginning this is a roman law). When you have an italian parent, you can automatically have the italian citizenship coz the Italian Gov thinks that you are italian throught your blood and your family history. Fuckin WASP, I wish latinos and native american will destroy your fuckin british and posh culture of fat people
Bull shit !! Italian blood makes you italian. You say italian-americans aint italian coz they got no colo. What about an african american ? His color highlight the truth.
I think you all jealous of italians. They don't care about speaking and travelling to Italy coz it means the past to them.. I.A made their own culture and that's fascinating !!
As true a fuckin chinese'd keep his fuckin eyes, we'll keep our blood. This is our face, this is our rage, our heritage. Fuck you fuckin WASP
You still have not answered my question of why I cant be chinese but, a chinese can come to italy and be Italian in your mind.(despite that being not true under Italian nationality law). I am just interested in how you adopted a double standard.
Almost every Italian from the south of Italy has Greek ancestry, they are Italians today because they belonged to one of the kingdoms before Italy was unified in the 1800's. You obviously don't study much about the history of Italy.
It's not about making me happy, or what you like or what I like, its about the reality of history, race, culture and civilization. The state definition of an Italian is anyone who has ancestors who were living on the Italian peninsula at the time of Unification. That included several ethnic groups, there was no "Italian" ethnic group before that time. This is why under Italian law, you are Italian by blood and not by where you were born. So if "It ain't So" prove it with some kind of source.
Wow! The confusion never ends w/ u,my dude! I thot we had established that or decent is Italian,now u go further and dig up some Greek! While ur @ it u can change ur name to AfroGrecoCalabrese,cos u'l find that all mankind originated from Africa. Chill,i just wanted 2 debate w/ u,i really don't care what u call urself,if it makes u happy,tho it aint so,then who iam i to object?
For example, Chinese belong to a different ethnic/sub racial group than Vietnamese, but they are all Asians. The same applies to Europeans, we are all white, yet belong to different ethnic/sub racial groups. Read a book on anthropology and then we can talk about this later, for now I want to understand why you cling to your double standards.
I do consider myself white, I just belong to a different ethnicity than you, in fact I think most Italian Americans consider themselves white, the ones who don't are just uneducated. I am not a "Guido" and nothing like what you saw on Television on "Jersey Shore". I think you need to grow up and see the world for what it really is, instead of just what you want to see kid.
The Italian government considers Italian Americans already Italian by nationality, this is a law, if you don't believe me, Go look it up. So what we are getting to now is not a debate about opinions, you are just resorting to flat out lying to support your absurd theory about race and nationality that your television told you. Scroll down, and answer my questions and we shall continue, otherwise that will be the end of it.
Where I grew up it was only, Italians, there was not really any other people in my neighborhood, it was not multicultural, and you obviously have no education about Italy, because "Italian" nationality was formed in the late 1800's, before that Italy was a mix of kingdoms with predominantly Greek roots in the entire south, and the north having a mix of german, french and roman roots. You still have not answered my question though. and I will play your child like games of changing the subject.
The whole world,Italians included, considers u American. U'r even part Greek American for fucksake! U'r worse fakes than the fake 'Irish' Americans,atleast they help out the IRA. That's better than the pussified rep u'r giving to Italians by callin urselves 'guidos' and making shows like Jersey Shore
'American' suits u. Traditional old school Italians wudn't accept u as their own cos u'r half Greek,that's a whole other culture. Im sure u DON'T have dual nationality & DON'T have an Italian passport,just maybe a name,grew up w/ some Italian migrants & visited Italy. Sorry to tell u, but so have alot of Irish,Blacks,Jews etc. That makes u just as Italian as me. Which doesn't say much
A white person can't label themselves Chinese,cos that's a race. But Italian is not a race,its a nationality. Despite u in NY/NJ considering urselfs Not white,Italians in Italy consider themselves white,which they are and just like their neighbors,the French,the Germans. What passport do u have? Im sure its a US one. U haven't explained the 'Greco' part,hence u'r not even a 100% Italian,are u as vocal bout ur Greek side too?
Ok so lets say your ancestors are dutch, but you go to china, and get a piece of paper that says you are chinese, and you start speaking chinese. Do you apply this same standard, or do you think that it's rediculous that a white person can lable themselves chinese?
What im reading is a sad reality of 'multiculturalism'. Here u have people born & raised American,but their loyalty is elsewhere. U enjoy all the hard fought freedoms,but when the time comes,u'l spit in the face of Uncle Sam. The biggest threat for 'multicultural nations' is internal. Seriously go back to Italy,u've shown more passion for them than u have for America
Its not really about passion, its about common sense, what you are trying to say is that if a dog is born in a birds nest, its a bird. You don't seem to realize that what you are saying is completely absurd, and based on "Political Correctness" rather than actual scientific fact.
And what is so "Sad" about it? People of different racial/ethnic backgrounds are inherently different by nature, this is the law of nature. Which is why some modern concept like "Americanism" based on some concept of "Freedoms" cannot override this. Why does this fact bother you so much?
U went to varsity in Holland, can speak the Dutch language and obtained citizenship,then by all means u'r Dutch,more than me,who is born in another country,w/ another culture & limited knwldge of the language. Same thing if i lived in Italy,spoke Italian & obtained citizenship,i'l have earned the right to call myself an Italian regardless of whatever anyone from NY/NJ says
I have my cousins from Holland visit me every x-mas. I visit Holland,i do interact w/ Dutch people but there's a limit to how familiar iam w/ my people cos @ the end of the day,iam Canadian. I have alot more incommon w/ my Canucks be they of Chinese,Persian,Indian even Italian descent. I take it the 'Greco' in ur name stands for 'Greek'..even more confusing..
Yes, probably I would, because they don't simply have just a different ethnicity, they have a different culture, different religion, different foods they eat, different way of thinking. I did not grow up like you did, I grew up on a street where everyone was Italian or Italian-American in my neighborhood, so to me its just natural for me to gravitate towards other Italians, rather than "Wang Fu" my "American Brother". Are you saying I should feel guilty about that?
Please explain to me why this is so hard for you to understand, is it because you don't have much of a knowledge of your dutch heritage, you don't know about the language they spoke or the tribe they descend from? You don't eat dutch foods like oliebolen and appelbol. I went to university in Holland, and I guess by your logic if I stayed there and obtained a dutch passport, I would be "Dutch" all of a sudden right?
If u were @ a conference somewhere outside the US and that conference had all nationalities including Italians who only speak Italian,and the Americans there happen to be of Chinese,Mexican and other heritages,in the first place u'd be there as an American,are u still tellin me u'd socialise w/ the Italians,not ur fellow Americans who u have alot more incommon w/,but jus happen to have a different ethnicity?
As for your question about "Do you even like America/Americans" I grew up in New York city and have been exposed to all different kinds of Americans, who all live in the same city but have different habits, looks, culture and way of speaking all based on their ethnic background. I feel a strong like and connection with other "Americans" of Italian and Greek descent, but for example feel much less a connection with an "American" of Chinese descent, who has only the same federal government I have.
What we have here is basically a big difference in Ideology based on cultural differences, in Italian and most other cultures for that matter, with the exception of England, Holland, France, who had a colonial way of thinking, Racial/Ethnic identity is an important thing, to the french, dutch, your nation is "a place you happened to be born" and an allegiance to a particular royal family. This is why you have thousands of Arabs running around pretending to be French in France.
Some one said he's Italian from Illinois,huh? Again i say,alot of French people have Italian ancestry,but they don't call themselves Italians despite how near Italy is. Brazil & Argentina have more peeps w/ Italian ancestry than the US,but they don't call themselves Italian despite having a similar culture to their ancestral land. They love football & many of them move to Italy and actually have Italian passports
And as for "Jersey Shore" this is not representative of most Italian Americans in the least bit, this is why so many Italian-American groups have been lobbying against the show. I agree that they have very little to do with Italian culture or Italy, but an average Italian American from a place like where I grew up still has a much closer kinship and understanding than say an African who grew up in Italy. The thing we have in common is that our ancestors built the same civilization, not others.
I'm Italian and I spent 3 unforgetable months in NYC. I had a great time there and met a lot of wonderful people from the Italian American community. I wish I could move for good! Italy is not a good place to be right now, it's going backwards instead of becoming more modern...Mafia is well rooted in the government and the whole country is doomed. Consider yourself lucky for keeping your heritage proudly but living in a country that gives you a real chance in life.
Ur choice to side w/ Italy over the USA is traitorly @ its best. So u'r an American for convenience sake? Enjoying the freedoms 'raceless','cultureless' Americans died for,only to backstab them for a country u only visit? So after the wars' done u'd abandon ur home & American ways? Do u even like America/Americans?
Fyi im Canadian w/ Dutch roots. I appreciate my roots,but im a Canadian. To me any one born in Canada or the USA,who grew up w/ the culture whether Mexican or Asian,is an American and is not different from anyone named Bush or Gates. Only racists wud think otherwise. Environmnt dictates our actions. U've been to Italy, do u c any connection btwn Italians there & the cast of Jersey Shore?
Yeah ok so I am racist for accepting a reality that blood and civilization/culture has a link. This is something that the entire world has understood for centuries and only in the last 40 years or so has it been challenged and promoted that it has no meaning cause its "racist". Guess what I don't give a fuck what you call it, if the truth is "racist" then I guess i'm "racist". What do you expect me to do, ignore a fact out of some stupid fear of being politically incorrect like you?
It depends on what the political motivations for the war was, Typically I would side with Italy, just as a Jew in the United States would fight for Israel. My grandparents would view it as stabbing them in the back if I did not recognize my Italian heritage and replace it with a raceless, cultureless, "American" label? I recognize that I am different than Italians born in Italy, but I am still a type of Italian and recognized as such under Italian law.
The silence i take it u already know that those questions were rhetorical. U wudn't move back to Italy cos u wudn't fit in their society. Ur an American citizen born & raised. Your gramps moved 2 America 4 u to have a better life. U've been educated their,enjoyed the privilages of being an American citizen now u want 2 stab them in the back by calling urself Italian? U'd fight on USA's side if the fought Italy,cos Uncle Sam owns ur ass!
I have been to Italy before and when I was there I was getting along quite well with my cousins in magliano vetere, I would move there if the economic opportunities made it possible for me to start a life there, but many Italian born Italians have left for other countries like Germany and the UK, I guess now they are Germans or British by your logic. Face it if this was a video about a pakistani neighborhood in the US, you would not even be saying such nonsense.
I take it you have no ethnic identity yourself am I right? Where are you from exactly? And if I may ask, why is this concept of Identity by culture and blood heritage so strange to you? It is not strange when Mexicans living in the US still call themselves Mexican, or Japanese living in Hong Kong stil call themselves Japanese, so why is the subject of my ethnicity having a double standard?
@GrecoCalabrese i only want 2 know what side wud u be on if USA went to war with Italy & why if u love being Italian so much,u haven't moved back to Italy?
There is a long list of bullshit there to refute, Blonde hair alone is not a sign of nordic ancestry, its just highest occuring in nordics. France does not have a law about Nationality based on blood, Italy does, if your are of Italian by blood, you are Italian regardless of what passport you hold. I don't call myself "American" because in my mind the only true Americans are Native Americans. Just like if I was born in China, I wouldn't not call myself Chinese. American is not an ethnicity.
Italy is not the same place ur great-great gramps left. They're lots of Asians,Blacks,Arabs who call Italy home. They were born & raised and are accepted as fellow Italians in their communities. Fyi of all Italians in the diaspora,Italian Argentine are the ones they identify w/ the most. They both love football. Alot of them hold Italian passports
U so called 'Italians' from NY/NJ are a joke. U think dark hair & spray tans make u 'Italian'? Go to Italy,u'l be in for a shock! That look will def be identified as American. They're so many blonde,blue eyed Italians. Francesco Totti,Federica Fontana,Danielle De Rossi,Chiellimi Chiabotto are all blonde,blue eyed 100% Italians they look Nordic but are the real deal than any spray tan loser from jersey
First of all, Not all the Italians in New York and New Jersey are "Spray Tanned" losers, especially not in bensonhurst, I was walking there the other day and heard people speaking in Italian outside the social club, are they "Fake" Italians too. A Asian, Black, or Arab will NEVER be Italian. And the only people in Italy who think that are either commies, faggots or leftist pieces of shit. You can find many Italians completely resistant to these bullshit ideas you say.
@GrecoCalabrese if the USA went to war w/ Italy,wat side wud u be fighting for? Im not denying ur Italian ancenstry,wat im saying is that u`r an AMERICAN of ITALIAN origin,hence u shudn`t mouth out that ur Italian, being that u were not born and raised in Italy. IF u`r so proud of being Italian, then why don`t u move back to Italy?
@GrecoCalabrese an example: Carla Bruni Sarkozy,the French 1st Lady was born in Italy,she left w/ her family @ age 5 to live in France,just across the boarder. Now she considers herself French cos even though she is Italian born, she grew up in a different culture & has little in common w/ Italians. Italians accept that. Italy & France are near,so how come u who lives far away and wasn`t born in Italy,choose to call urself Italian and not American?
And as for your other comment about "100% Italians look Nordic" what do you base that on? Have you ever even been to Italy? Not only would any anthropologist tell you that is completely false, but anyone with two eyes in his head can see that Italians don't look like "Nordics". Sure there are Italians with lighter hair and eyes, but this does not denote a "Nordic" ancestry. Go read an anthropology book and learn something.
@GrecoCalabrese what i meant was that those Italians i mentioned look Nordic but they`re 100% Italian. If u know ur history,u`d know that Southern Italy was conquered by the Normans,hence why some Italians may look Nordic. U give me the impression that even blondes aren`t Italian according to u...
Italy,located in Southern Europe boarded by France,Switzerland,Austria & Slovenia,IS the home of Italians. Their fave sport is football. Bensonhurst is in America,everyone from there is American born& raised. Their fave sport is baseball. If i want to see Italians,i'l go to Venezia,Milano,Roma,Firenze,Napoli. Some Italians have Asian,African or Arabic descent,BUT as long as they were born,raised & speak Italian,they're more Italian than any dude named Tony from NY/NJ will ever be
hey i have a question...I have went to a lot of dif places...why do the men in nyc seem to have a resentment towards woman and girls that have been hurt before or they say that woman over age 25 are damaged goods and they go out of their way to be rejecting and cold towards them..where do they get these ideas from?...like they purposely ignore them and try to treat them like their no good...is this for their male ego or do they just get pleasure out of seeing them feel bad ?
So according you you way of thinking, some caribbean niggers come to the UK, have a child, the child grows up in England, knows your football teams and eats fish and chips, he is "100% English" according to you right?
I will repeat this again, there are over 20,000 speakers of Italian Dialects in Bensonhurst Brooklyn alone, many of these people visit Italy every year, I have no idea what relationship this has to what you call "a plastic paddy" Many of these people have cousins who they visit in their villages all the time, including myself.
You keep changing the subject, which is that you think once someone of a certain ethnic group has children in another country, the cease to have any connection.
It's hard to understand because 1. Your ignoring the Italian governments own definition of who is Italian. 2. You are using a faulty logic by saying that someones blood and family relationship to their ancestral homeland accounts for NOTHING, and WHERE they were born accounts for EVERYTHING.
You act as if I am the first person to ever suggest to you the concept of race and nation, which is really surprising to me. True Nations are Biological, not Geographical like a football team.
You're so proud to be an 'Italian' right? Living as close as you do on a different continent.
So here's a thought.
Why don't you join the Italian Army and get on the next plane with them down to one of their former colonies in East Africa. You could help them fight rebels in Eritrea and Amara.
@AngloSaxon1921, If anything, it's Scotland that really conquered engayland through the throne, and the union jack doesn't mean shit, as that is the britshit flag, not the Scottish one,
Scottish flag is light blue, not dark navy blue!
The blue in the union flag looks more like the Tenerife flag rather than the Scottish one
The Italian Neighborhoods in NY have very little to do with "100% American Culture" because when our grandparents arrived they lived almost completely isolated from other ethnic groups. The culture took its own path very different from the other Americans. Now I am not trying to say we are exactly the same as Italians in Italy, of course not, but you seem to be completely ignorant of what these people are like in their comparison to other Americans.
They claim to be Irish, yet none of them can speak a word of Gaelic. They have never even been to Ireland. Drinking their fake Guinness in their gimmicky 'pubs'. Wearing flat caps and t-shirts with a four leaf clover on it. They are walking gift shops.
I guess since you did not answer my question, that you are more just wanting to stick to your opinion without and facts to base it on. The recognition of Citizenship by blood is not practiced in England, but this is not the case as in other countries. What you think is less important than what the Italian law and the General opinion of Italians in Italy, I have been to Italy and 11 other countries in Europe.
Nobody really gives a shit what your bloodline is mate.
You're an American.
Do you know how ridiculous you'd sound coming to Europe and telling everybody who cared to listen to you that you're actually Italian?
You're born and bred American, with an American accent.
Italy is thousands of miles the other way.
England has Colosseums, towns and villages left over from the Roman's. We've got more right than a yank to claim Italian heritage. Do we? Nah, We're the fucking ENGLISH!
I am just trying to understand this warped logic of birth by soil and not by blood, I mean to me its just riddled with double standards in today's society. He is saying "He is more Italian" than me because he lives closer and according to him knows more about football games. Despite Italian Nationality law clearly Stating that I am Italian and he is not. I am not saying that I am exactly like my cousins in Calabria, but I have alot more similarities with them than some English pub alcoholic.
Eating spaghetti and saying Mama Mia doesn't make you Italian mate. Sorry, but it doesn't.
Id love to see you in Italy, trying to communicate with some old boy down a cobbled street in Udine, trying to explain to him in your american accent that can;t speak a word of Italian that actually Signore, Im an Italian/American!!
You think a Native Italian really looks at you and thinks you're Italian?
@AngloSaxon1921 Actually Yeah, Not only does the state recognize Italians of the Diaspora as Italians, the average Italian citizen recognizes their cousins as Italian no matter where they live, Bensonhurst alone has over 20,000 Italian speakers, and even the ones who aren't fluent usually understand a lot more than "Mama Mia", where are you getting your information from?
If you want to claim Italian heritage then do so. For all i know both your parents are Italians from Italy.
But that doesn't make you Italian. What YOU are is an American. You've grown up with, sorry to say, a diluted Italian culture, and 100% genuine American culture.
You can have Little Italy, you can have Chinatown, you can have a Greek district. You can have whatever. But the real deal is Italy, is China, is Greece.
@AngloSaxon1921 Again, you have an adiction of constantly spelling the word 'ENGAYLAND'
Very amusing...
And yes, the country you live on was 'Brittania' founded and civilized by the Romans, they called Scotland 'Caledonia' (Land of Hard men in Latin), and they could never conqure Scotland, so technically Scotland is NOT Brittania!
Scotland took over the engaylish throne in 1603 which led to the act of union of 1707 you daft bastard, engayland, like the romans, the vikings, the norse & normans, all failed to conqure Scotland, Scotland still remain largly unconqured where as engayland have been conqured four times and burnt to the ground twice!
Only a deluded engaylander would make shit up to help his arguement, you're a prime example of that!
@AngloSaxon1921, When you Engaylish came from Germany when the Romans left Brittania, you brought Brittania backwards into the dark ages which didn't end till 1066 when the Normans came and totally fucked you hard and completely annihilated you saxon shitheads, after that they civilized Brittania once more
Why are you even arguing with him about such things, whether it is true or not he will invent anything about history in his mind to justify his statements.
@GrecoCalabrese, Well it is true, like most engilish on youtube, he'll make up stuff to suit his arguement, but when he realises how knowledgeable you are on the subject, he'll change what he says
For some reason I have a feeling, if a person of Anglo-Saxon Race, who was born say in China, spoke fluent chinese, had a Chinese Passport came up to you and told you he was Chinese, you would laugh in his face and say "No where are you really from" Yet with other people, you have a different standard, when its Americans of European descent.
And I never asked you about what the demographics of Britain were, I asked you the question twice and you pretty much just avoided answering it, but lets try again, since you like to pretend I didn't ask you:
So let me get this straight, if you are born closer to a nations proximity, that makes you more similar to the people there than the people who share the exact same blood, heritage, religion and customs as them who live further away?
And who the fuck is he to say the Italians in New York are "Not Italians". Under Italian law the decendants of an Italian citizen are Italian citizens, despite whether they have obtained the Italian passport or not. This is a fact, The Italians in New York never "Hijacked" Italian culture because they already had the Culture without any interruption. Did it become altered from the one in Italy ? Yes, but to say these people are less Italian is completely absurd.
My media told me that? Man I have seen it with my own eyes, Britain has not only a large amount of them, but it also has the highest race mixing rate in Europe. I have seen that with my own eyes, and not Just when I was in England, I also went on vacation in Crete and have been to Malia, where there are plenty of girls fucking with blacks and pakistanis, they even imported them to Crete with them, so don't tell me BS about my "Media"
@GrecoCalabre, Also, there is no such thing as 'Engilish blood', they are not a race or separate in anyway from there Germanic ancessters, they were just old German invaders who came to these isles after the Romans left.
'Brittania' is known as Engiland and Wales today, but it belonged to the Romans, as 'Brittania' was nothing more than an extended province of Rome,
It's the Scots/Welsh/Cornish/Irish ect who are the true natives to their lands.
The engilish are angles/saxons/jutes from Germania
@GLORD99092 I understand your point, but what I mean when I say "English Blood" are the tribes, who made up what would become the Kingdom of England, Which is basically a mixture of Celts and Germanics. I don't consider paksitans, eastern europeans, blacks and these others apart of that original group, as they have nothing to do with the history of the country.
@GrecoCalabrese, Yes but they are much more Germanic blooded than Celt, the reason some of them have Celt blood is because they live at the north that borders the Scottish borders and others who border the Welsh border, and those in Cornwall (Kernow) don't actually consider themselfs Engilish because they are more decended from Celts.
Also the Engilish using sports (particularly football) to settle an arguement is very common, it's one of the very few ways they can win an arguement
our ancestors created England, it used to be called Englalande by the Saxon's. Our ancestors made England you muppet. And we drove the Celt's out and turned it into the greatest Empire the world has ever seen.
You're obsessed with the Cornish as well. Guess what, the Cornish are Saxon's and Norman's. There aint anything Celt about them!
The Romans created and civilised the land, when the German saxons/jutes and angles came in, they just brought Brittania backwards with barbarism and a highly uncivilised society, and it remained that way untill the Normans came from France (Normandy) to civilize you, making you the pompous poofters you are today.
After the Romans left the dark ages came to England because the Celt's moved back. And with it they brought their backward civilisation. England saw infratsructure, running water, sanitation and colosseums.
It's only when the Saxon's, Normans, Vandals, Vikings etc all came together after kicking the Celt's out that England saw advanced civilisation again.
Who gives a fuck what Cornwall is called. Kernow? Nah nah, it's CORNWALL.
@AngloSaxon1921, No, the Romans civilized and founded it, hense why you took their name 'Brittania' to britain, the Celts were far more civilized than the Germanic tribes in Brittania, look up 'How the Celts saved Britain', the angles and saxons brought Brittania back to the dark ages, untill the Normans civilized you once more.
Like a typical engilish though, you make up history to suit your arguements, that's the 'Cyber Limey style'
And 'Kernow' is known around the world more than you'd like
I mean, if I am to understand this right, a 100% by blood English person in America named "Charles Wilkinson" or Whatever, is not English in your mind, he is a "Bloody Yank" because he happened to be Born on US soil and raised there, despite belonging to the same church, having the same DNA and a full understanding and respect for his Ancestors. Then in England, some Nigger from the colonies who is born near you is way more English because he knows about football teams? Is that it?
@GrecoCalabrese, Yes it is, as they are born here, they have a birthright as it is their native land of birth, people don't like yanks hi-jacking their culture y'know what I'm saying? And it just sounds dead weird how they like to say they are Scottish/Irish/Engilish/Welsh ect in that disgustingly annoying accent that they have just because they had an ancesster from these countries 100's and 100's of years ago
I happen to have a mate, he has an English mother and an Italian father. His father comes from Sicily. He supports Palermo. BUt you wouldn't know anything about football being an American.
Anyway, ive not once heard my mate tell anybody he is Italian. He doesn't consider himself Italian. He is 100% English, born and bred, got English culture and tradition running through his veins.
yeah, and that mentality you have is exactly why your race will be extinct, and it will be a bunch of mixed raced bastards running around calling themselves english. What a joke of a nation you people are. The only true meaning of Nation is Blood, nothing else. If you can't understand that, your country is doomed to become just a footnote in the pages of history. The fact that your using football to compare with cultural identity, shows what little culture you yourself have.
We have plenty of culture in England. Our nation is steeped in history. I drink in pubs older than the USA.
We know who we are. We're English and proud. We don't need to pretend we're anything other than English.
Europeans, REAL Europeans, have different languages, traditions and cultures, but we connect daily through our love of the same sport, and through our close proximity. You can fly to Milan for a business conference, and be back in time for late lunch.
@AngloSaxon1921, Kernow (Cornwall) is and always will be a Celt country, it's part of the 'Six Celtic countries' and no you didn't drive them out, the saxons just mainly took over the land where the Romans left off.
There is no such thing as 'englishness', all it is, is a patch work many many different peoples and cultures put together, (Like a mini America).
Your just known for spotted dick, gary glitter, elton john, spice girls, margaret thatcher, birds custard, ignorance, morris dancing ect
@AngloSaxon1921 Can I ask you something, with all do respect? I am interested in understanding your logic, now I would say that Italians in Brooklyn are different from Italians in Italy (I have been to both places) But there are huge cultural similarities and traditions, much closer than an English person who lives closer to Italy. Are you saying that if the offspring of africans born in England are "British" ?
Oh Ok, so in your mind any Nigger or Pakistan that fucks your sister, is your "British Bulldog" brother in arms because he was born on the same land as you? I mean I have been to England 2 times, once in london, once in Buckinghamshire, and I remember seeing all this Blacks and Pakistans actually believing their are English and whatever, just because they were born there. You just changed the subject, why dont you answer my questions instead talking about sports and bullshit.
My sister doesn't fuck niggers or pakis. She is married to a white lad.
We don't have many blacks and pakis anyway. It's only your media that portrays that, and you got to tourist hotspots which also happens to be wher eall foreign workers and immigrants live unless it's outside London.
What question? You didn't ask one.
Just know you're not Italian. Your langauage isn't the same for a start, your culture isn't, even your surroundings aint Italian.
@AngloSaxon1921 "What Question? You didn't ask one." I didn't? Obviously your resorting to blatantly lying, well in case you have amnesia I will post it again:
So let me get this straight, if you are born closer to a nations proximity, that makes you more similar to the people there than the people who share the exact same blood, heritage, religion and customs as them who live further away?
Perfect!!!
hdsnake33881 2 weeks ago
BETE NYC TBK EX-KINGS BMT LINES 1980-1984. BACK TO THE FUTURE.
BTNYCTBK 3 weeks ago
Better change this video. Now it's a haven with the encroachment of Orientals, Russians, Mexicans and Arabs that don't assimilate. What once was....will never be. Case in point even Dyker Heights the once bastion of Italians is being taken over,except for a small pocket that remains, bet is also eroding from 11th Avenue down to 8th Avenue and from 75th Street to 86th Street. Eight Avenue once Norwegian is now Chinatown from 65th Street to Sunset Park, and down to 6th Avenue.
illhavemine 1 month ago
I left Brooklyn in 1977. It was a sewer then and worse now.
Happily living in Vegas.
backlighting 1 month ago
Fantastic people....Italians bring culture and joy
ChrisTheHobbyGuy 1 month ago
Now I'm never going to visit this shit hole.
Viktir666 1 month ago
racist wops
CHRISTEN9844 1 month ago
Viva Espana !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
latinocorazon196 2 months ago
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guasto47 3 months ago
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guasto47 3 months ago
What the hell was that? Why do Italian Americans always feel a need to justify their existence? Why couldn't Northern Italians have come to America? Oh yeah... because they were educated, intelligent, culturally refined, prosperous & didn't need to. What did America get? Southern Italians... the dregs of Europe. No other region of the world was occupied by more foreign armies than southern Italy? No other people has bent over & spread it more than Southern Italians. And Columbus was Jewish.
eightiesguy69yeah 3 months ago
@eightiesguy69yeah wow you're a jerk!
SicilianaRo 2 months ago
love you all but seriously it is a movie
edsfountain 4 months ago
There are more Italians living in Bay Ridge or Marine Park, than Bensonhurst. Everybody sold their 2 family, and now live in a micro townhouse in Staten Island. Bensonhurst is mostly Asian. This summer, 2011, the 18th Avenue feast is cancelled.
orlyrad 5 months ago
@orlyrad i heard Bensohurst and Little Italy is hella Chinese and Russian Albanians now....only a few italians left but mostly because they moved up to a higher class.....I would highly doubt in NY italians got ran out by some chinks and flunky albanian undercover moslems.
mrtundra45 4 months ago
you didn't use enough special effect wipes.
novagal 5 months ago
I'm from Ave U. this guy is a tru fuckin' G. io sono siciliano!
BrooklynAVS 5 months ago
@BrooklynAVS if you born in America you're not sicilian and so you are not italian you are an italoamerican is different ;)
BOH1100 4 months ago
@BOH1100 shut up you fuckin moron
BrooklynAVS 4 months ago 2
@BrooklynAVS i'm a real italian from real Italy you are fake you don't which city is our capital, you don't know our history, you don't know our culture and our real mentalityand you don't even know italian language , you are not italian you are an italian american capito stronzo? non sai manco l'italiano quindi non farti figo
BOH1100 4 months ago
@BOH1100 oooooooooh eh!
Tr0llsNeverDie 2 months ago
I thought Italy was home of the Italians?
NMWMN 6 months ago
@NMWMN it's the home of italians in america! in all seriousness though, i lived there back when i was in college and i really consider it to be something like a second home. being there made me feel right at home, almost like i never left sicily. i'm not sure about now, but back then the culture was very strong there. more so than any other place i've been to in america.
scarface115 6 months ago
I live in Bensonhurst, as have three generations of my family. Its is much more mixed ethnically than ever, Russians, Chinese, Latinos, hipsters escaping high rents in hipper zip codes. I love it, its got genuine flavor - sometimes I walk down 18th Ave. and listen to the old gentlemen speaking Italian while sipping espresso on the street, then get great Malaysian food and cannolis - where else can you find that? Yes, there are guidos and someone is always yelling, but its magic.
MarilynCarino 6 months ago
ha italians have about as much class as a broken in 3 dollar hooker
redzer06 6 months ago
this is why i avoid biking near bensonhurst
simpsons2170 6 months ago
Oh when I was a child I can remember the three guys from brooklyn being a top tomato which moved to staten island which is now called family fruit
WetPooooopie 7 months ago
No blacks allowed
WetPooooopie 7 months ago
@WetPooooopie why
lordvoldemort578 7 months ago
@WetPooooopie im with u on that one buddy! theyd get their asses kicked
TheGoons501 1 month ago
ciao e bello vedere che tenete molto all' ITALIA
rino77ful 7 months ago
Nice tour & nice music.
rimskyism 8 months ago
bensonhurts home of the italian barley anymore italians here all jews russians and asians they filmed welcome back kotter in bensonhurts
EpicF4iLx23 9 months ago
I live on 85th St. near 18th ave., smack in the middle of Bensonhurst. Its a charming melting pot with tons of flavor. Sophisticated? Not if you like high culture, but you won't find more beautiful Italian pastries and Frank and Sal's Market is absolute heaven for prosciutto, fresh cheeses and imported delicacies. I love to walk down 18th Ave. in the spring and watch the old men sit in front of the Italian clubhouse, sipping espresso and conversing in Italian. I love it!
PomPomGoolie 9 months ago
@PomPomGoolie you see alot of racism towards blacks there>?
lordvoldemort578 6 months ago
@lordvoldemort578 worked over there, hardly no racism over there. the young people there do act like hoodrats, though..lol
rahnyc4 5 months ago
@rahnyc4 Oh yeah? Nobody ever was racist too you?.
lordvoldemort578 5 months ago
@rahnyc4 nope, actually met some cool people. strangest thing was they were acting hood. i met this russian dude that reminded me of a white version of my homeboy.
rahnyc4 5 months ago
@Saaatana.You cant ''become'' an Anglo Saxan you illiterate peasant.
joesoap81 9 months ago
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joesoap81 9 months ago
@Saaatana I completely agree. Wonderbread WASP medigan...not my style. You should love your culture, learn about it, embrace it. Not try to assimilate into a WASPy society that, in the end, will still think of you as a lesser "greasy dago wop" no matter what you do.
Callmarcus77 10 months ago
lol these videos always stir up retarded debates
therealamoltisanti 10 months ago
GUIDOS FOR LIFE
ItalianGuido1 11 months ago
im persian but i am mistaken as an italian all the time
karz12 11 months ago
You people do realize that you're as close to being Italian, as your forebarers who came here (whenever that was) were to being American? Only difference is, they left Italy with a desire to come someplace where they could be something better. Where they could give their families a better life. In short, they would have killed to be put in the position you're all in.
As my Italian grandfather used to say: "If Italy was so good, why don't you go back?"
You're Americans. Be proud of that.
JMAZZ80 11 months ago
@JMAZZ80 Those were of different times and many who did come over wanted to go back but could not afford it... as for going back, I did...
latinvin 10 months ago
i remember like a good 15 years ago when i was a little little kid. it was ALL ITALIANS. then the russians took over. then the italians came back. now the chinese are all over here.
pcigroot 11 months ago
a pure race dont exist,everybody is a fade and a mix of other race,maybe only the Boscimani from kalahari is a pure race (and its not sure)cause everybody in this world are linked to their genetics..stop sayng bullshit and talking about fades,or let me know the line beetween a black and a white cause i cant determinate!!!
ernotorio 11 months ago
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Bensonhurst is all Chinese now.
Bonsignore4U 1 year ago
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Bonsignore4U 1 year ago
I really hate to say this, but Bensonhurst is changing. Asians, Russians, Polish, Arab,Indian and Mexicns are slowly- but surely replacing thed Italian American community here. It is for the most part a working class neighborhood, but there is a small middle to upper middle class presence. Asides from that, this is a "bedroom" community and features very little artistic and cultural events, save for Italian festivals, block parties and a small Columbus Day parade.The Upper West Side it ain`t!
loufalce 1 year ago 2
Some stupid asshole(prolly American) said Italians are a mixed race of Irish and Sicilian. Wow! So are Americans a mixed race of fat-asses and retards?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
@ihatewestlifesince99 hey where are you from? I bet you arent even Italian. Come on, reveal yourself before you talk shit about other nationalities!
UnleashedKane 1 year ago
And then, you all have to know about the law (at the beginning this is a roman law). When you have an italian parent, you can automatically have the italian citizenship coz the Italian Gov thinks that you are italian throught your blood and your family history. Fuckin WASP, I wish latinos and native american will destroy your fuckin british and posh culture of fat people
olivarium 1 year ago
Bull shit !! Italian blood makes you italian. You say italian-americans aint italian coz they got no colo. What about an african american ? His color highlight the truth.
I think you all jealous of italians. They don't care about speaking and travelling to Italy coz it means the past to them.. I.A made their own culture and that's fascinating !!
As true a fuckin chinese'd keep his fuckin eyes, we'll keep our blood. This is our face, this is our rage, our heritage. Fuck you fuckin WASP
olivarium 1 year ago 2
@olivarium qui c'è solo un frocio e sei tu!
rafanel81 1 year ago
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che pagliacciata!! ma lo volete capire che non siete italiani o no?
you are not italian!
rafanel81 1 year ago
Well, it USED to be home to the Italians. Plenty of Russians and Asians there now!
AcEoMaTiK 1 year ago 2
ITALY IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD ITS ASHAME HOW EVERYBODY PROFITED OFF OF OUR HARD WORK
DoPeViBe 1 year ago
You still have not answered my question of why I cant be chinese but, a chinese can come to italy and be Italian in your mind.(despite that being not true under Italian nationality law). I am just interested in how you adopted a double standard.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Almost every Italian from the south of Italy has Greek ancestry, they are Italians today because they belonged to one of the kingdoms before Italy was unified in the 1800's. You obviously don't study much about the history of Italy.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
It's not about making me happy, or what you like or what I like, its about the reality of history, race, culture and civilization. The state definition of an Italian is anyone who has ancestors who were living on the Italian peninsula at the time of Unification. That included several ethnic groups, there was no "Italian" ethnic group before that time. This is why under Italian law, you are Italian by blood and not by where you were born. So if "It ain't So" prove it with some kind of source.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Wow! The confusion never ends w/ u,my dude! I thot we had established that or decent is Italian,now u go further and dig up some Greek! While ur @ it u can change ur name to AfroGrecoCalabrese,cos u'l find that all mankind originated from Africa. Chill,i just wanted 2 debate w/ u,i really don't care what u call urself,if it makes u happy,tho it aint so,then who iam i to object?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
For example, Chinese belong to a different ethnic/sub racial group than Vietnamese, but they are all Asians. The same applies to Europeans, we are all white, yet belong to different ethnic/sub racial groups. Read a book on anthropology and then we can talk about this later, for now I want to understand why you cling to your double standards.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
I do consider myself white, I just belong to a different ethnicity than you, in fact I think most Italian Americans consider themselves white, the ones who don't are just uneducated. I am not a "Guido" and nothing like what you saw on Television on "Jersey Shore". I think you need to grow up and see the world for what it really is, instead of just what you want to see kid.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
The Italian government considers Italian Americans already Italian by nationality, this is a law, if you don't believe me, Go look it up. So what we are getting to now is not a debate about opinions, you are just resorting to flat out lying to support your absurd theory about race and nationality that your television told you. Scroll down, and answer my questions and we shall continue, otherwise that will be the end of it.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Where I grew up it was only, Italians, there was not really any other people in my neighborhood, it was not multicultural, and you obviously have no education about Italy, because "Italian" nationality was formed in the late 1800's, before that Italy was a mix of kingdoms with predominantly Greek roots in the entire south, and the north having a mix of german, french and roman roots. You still have not answered my question though. and I will play your child like games of changing the subject.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
The whole world,Italians included, considers u American. U'r even part Greek American for fucksake! U'r worse fakes than the fake 'Irish' Americans,atleast they help out the IRA. That's better than the pussified rep u'r giving to Italians by callin urselves 'guidos' and making shows like Jersey Shore
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
'American' suits u. Traditional old school Italians wudn't accept u as their own cos u'r half Greek,that's a whole other culture. Im sure u DON'T have dual nationality & DON'T have an Italian passport,just maybe a name,grew up w/ some Italian migrants & visited Italy. Sorry to tell u, but so have alot of Irish,Blacks,Jews etc. That makes u just as Italian as me. Which doesn't say much
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
A white person can't label themselves Chinese,cos that's a race. But Italian is not a race,its a nationality. Despite u in NY/NJ considering urselfs Not white,Italians in Italy consider themselves white,which they are and just like their neighbors,the French,the Germans. What passport do u have? Im sure its a US one. U haven't explained the 'Greco' part,hence u'r not even a 100% Italian,are u as vocal bout ur Greek side too?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
@ihatewestlifesince99 bro Chinese is a nationality, Asian is the race. Not all Asians are Chinese and not all Chinese are Asians
YourSoulEmbarks 1 year ago
Ok so lets say your ancestors are dutch, but you go to china, and get a piece of paper that says you are chinese, and you start speaking chinese. Do you apply this same standard, or do you think that it's rediculous that a white person can lable themselves chinese?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
What im reading is a sad reality of 'multiculturalism'. Here u have people born & raised American,but their loyalty is elsewhere. U enjoy all the hard fought freedoms,but when the time comes,u'l spit in the face of Uncle Sam. The biggest threat for 'multicultural nations' is internal. Seriously go back to Italy,u've shown more passion for them than u have for America
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
Its not really about passion, its about common sense, what you are trying to say is that if a dog is born in a birds nest, its a bird. You don't seem to realize that what you are saying is completely absurd, and based on "Political Correctness" rather than actual scientific fact.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
And what is so "Sad" about it? People of different racial/ethnic backgrounds are inherently different by nature, this is the law of nature. Which is why some modern concept like "Americanism" based on some concept of "Freedoms" cannot override this. Why does this fact bother you so much?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
U went to varsity in Holland, can speak the Dutch language and obtained citizenship,then by all means u'r Dutch,more than me,who is born in another country,w/ another culture & limited knwldge of the language. Same thing if i lived in Italy,spoke Italian & obtained citizenship,i'l have earned the right to call myself an Italian regardless of whatever anyone from NY/NJ says
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
I have my cousins from Holland visit me every x-mas. I visit Holland,i do interact w/ Dutch people but there's a limit to how familiar iam w/ my people cos @ the end of the day,iam Canadian. I have alot more incommon w/ my Canucks be they of Chinese,Persian,Indian even Italian descent. I take it the 'Greco' in ur name stands for 'Greek'..even more confusing..
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
Yes, probably I would, because they don't simply have just a different ethnicity, they have a different culture, different religion, different foods they eat, different way of thinking. I did not grow up like you did, I grew up on a street where everyone was Italian or Italian-American in my neighborhood, so to me its just natural for me to gravitate towards other Italians, rather than "Wang Fu" my "American Brother". Are you saying I should feel guilty about that?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Please explain to me why this is so hard for you to understand, is it because you don't have much of a knowledge of your dutch heritage, you don't know about the language they spoke or the tribe they descend from? You don't eat dutch foods like oliebolen and appelbol. I went to university in Holland, and I guess by your logic if I stayed there and obtained a dutch passport, I would be "Dutch" all of a sudden right?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
If u were @ a conference somewhere outside the US and that conference had all nationalities including Italians who only speak Italian,and the Americans there happen to be of Chinese,Mexican and other heritages,in the first place u'd be there as an American,are u still tellin me u'd socialise w/ the Italians,not ur fellow Americans who u have alot more incommon w/,but jus happen to have a different ethnicity?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
As for your question about "Do you even like America/Americans" I grew up in New York city and have been exposed to all different kinds of Americans, who all live in the same city but have different habits, looks, culture and way of speaking all based on their ethnic background. I feel a strong like and connection with other "Americans" of Italian and Greek descent, but for example feel much less a connection with an "American" of Chinese descent, who has only the same federal government I have.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
What we have here is basically a big difference in Ideology based on cultural differences, in Italian and most other cultures for that matter, with the exception of England, Holland, France, who had a colonial way of thinking, Racial/Ethnic identity is an important thing, to the french, dutch, your nation is "a place you happened to be born" and an allegiance to a particular royal family. This is why you have thousands of Arabs running around pretending to be French in France.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Some one said he's Italian from Illinois,huh? Again i say,alot of French people have Italian ancestry,but they don't call themselves Italians despite how near Italy is. Brazil & Argentina have more peeps w/ Italian ancestry than the US,but they don't call themselves Italian despite having a similar culture to their ancestral land. They love football & many of them move to Italy and actually have Italian passports
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
And as for "Jersey Shore" this is not representative of most Italian Americans in the least bit, this is why so many Italian-American groups have been lobbying against the show. I agree that they have very little to do with Italian culture or Italy, but an average Italian American from a place like where I grew up still has a much closer kinship and understanding than say an African who grew up in Italy. The thing we have in common is that our ancestors built the same civilization, not others.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
I'm Italian and I spent 3 unforgetable months in NYC. I had a great time there and met a lot of wonderful people from the Italian American community. I wish I could move for good! Italy is not a good place to be right now, it's going backwards instead of becoming more modern...Mafia is well rooted in the government and the whole country is doomed. Consider yourself lucky for keeping your heritage proudly but living in a country that gives you a real chance in life.
zhajipai 1 year ago
Ur choice to side w/ Italy over the USA is traitorly @ its best. So u'r an American for convenience sake? Enjoying the freedoms 'raceless','cultureless' Americans died for,only to backstab them for a country u only visit? So after the wars' done u'd abandon ur home & American ways? Do u even like America/Americans?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
Fyi im Canadian w/ Dutch roots. I appreciate my roots,but im a Canadian. To me any one born in Canada or the USA,who grew up w/ the culture whether Mexican or Asian,is an American and is not different from anyone named Bush or Gates. Only racists wud think otherwise. Environmnt dictates our actions. U've been to Italy, do u c any connection btwn Italians there & the cast of Jersey Shore?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
Yeah ok so I am racist for accepting a reality that blood and civilization/culture has a link. This is something that the entire world has understood for centuries and only in the last 40 years or so has it been challenged and promoted that it has no meaning cause its "racist". Guess what I don't give a fuck what you call it, if the truth is "racist" then I guess i'm "racist". What do you expect me to do, ignore a fact out of some stupid fear of being politically incorrect like you?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
It depends on what the political motivations for the war was, Typically I would side with Italy, just as a Jew in the United States would fight for Israel. My grandparents would view it as stabbing them in the back if I did not recognize my Italian heritage and replace it with a raceless, cultureless, "American" label? I recognize that I am different than Italians born in Italy, but I am still a type of Italian and recognized as such under Italian law.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
The silence i take it u already know that those questions were rhetorical. U wudn't move back to Italy cos u wudn't fit in their society. Ur an American citizen born & raised. Your gramps moved 2 America 4 u to have a better life. U've been educated their,enjoyed the privilages of being an American citizen now u want 2 stab them in the back by calling urself Italian? U'd fight on USA's side if the fought Italy,cos Uncle Sam owns ur ass!
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
I have been to Italy before and when I was there I was getting along quite well with my cousins in magliano vetere, I would move there if the economic opportunities made it possible for me to start a life there, but many Italian born Italians have left for other countries like Germany and the UK, I guess now they are Germans or British by your logic. Face it if this was a video about a pakistani neighborhood in the US, you would not even be saying such nonsense.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
I take it you have no ethnic identity yourself am I right? Where are you from exactly? And if I may ask, why is this concept of Identity by culture and blood heritage so strange to you? It is not strange when Mexicans living in the US still call themselves Mexican, or Japanese living in Hong Kong stil call themselves Japanese, so why is the subject of my ethnicity having a double standard?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese i only want 2 know what side wud u be on if USA went to war with Italy & why if u love being Italian so much,u haven't moved back to Italy?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
There is a long list of bullshit there to refute, Blonde hair alone is not a sign of nordic ancestry, its just highest occuring in nordics. France does not have a law about Nationality based on blood, Italy does, if your are of Italian by blood, you are Italian regardless of what passport you hold. I don't call myself "American" because in my mind the only true Americans are Native Americans. Just like if I was born in China, I wouldn't not call myself Chinese. American is not an ethnicity.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Italy is not the same place ur great-great gramps left. They're lots of Asians,Blacks,Arabs who call Italy home. They were born & raised and are accepted as fellow Italians in their communities. Fyi of all Italians in the diaspora,Italian Argentine are the ones they identify w/ the most. They both love football. Alot of them hold Italian passports
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
U so called 'Italians' from NY/NJ are a joke. U think dark hair & spray tans make u 'Italian'? Go to Italy,u'l be in for a shock! That look will def be identified as American. They're so many blonde,blue eyed Italians. Francesco Totti,Federica Fontana,Danielle De Rossi,Chiellimi Chiabotto are all blonde,blue eyed 100% Italians they look Nordic but are the real deal than any spray tan loser from jersey
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
First of all, Not all the Italians in New York and New Jersey are "Spray Tanned" losers, especially not in bensonhurst, I was walking there the other day and heard people speaking in Italian outside the social club, are they "Fake" Italians too. A Asian, Black, or Arab will NEVER be Italian. And the only people in Italy who think that are either commies, faggots or leftist pieces of shit. You can find many Italians completely resistant to these bullshit ideas you say.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese if the USA went to war w/ Italy,wat side wud u be fighting for? Im not denying ur Italian ancenstry,wat im saying is that u`r an AMERICAN of ITALIAN origin,hence u shudn`t mouth out that ur Italian, being that u were not born and raised in Italy. IF u`r so proud of being Italian, then why don`t u move back to Italy?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese an example: Carla Bruni Sarkozy,the French 1st Lady was born in Italy,she left w/ her family @ age 5 to live in France,just across the boarder. Now she considers herself French cos even though she is Italian born, she grew up in a different culture & has little in common w/ Italians. Italians accept that. Italy & France are near,so how come u who lives far away and wasn`t born in Italy,choose to call urself Italian and not American?
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
And as for your other comment about "100% Italians look Nordic" what do you base that on? Have you ever even been to Italy? Not only would any anthropologist tell you that is completely false, but anyone with two eyes in his head can see that Italians don't look like "Nordics". Sure there are Italians with lighter hair and eyes, but this does not denote a "Nordic" ancestry. Go read an anthropology book and learn something.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese what i meant was that those Italians i mentioned look Nordic but they`re 100% Italian. If u know ur history,u`d know that Southern Italy was conquered by the Normans,hence why some Italians may look Nordic. U give me the impression that even blondes aren`t Italian according to u...
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
Italy,located in Southern Europe boarded by France,Switzerland,Austria & Slovenia,IS the home of Italians. Their fave sport is football. Bensonhurst is in America,everyone from there is American born& raised. Their fave sport is baseball. If i want to see Italians,i'l go to Venezia,Milano,Roma,Firenze,Napoli. Some Italians have Asian,African or Arabic descent,BUT as long as they were born,raised & speak Italian,they're more Italian than any dude named Tony from NY/NJ will ever be
ihatewestlifesince99 1 year ago
@GQvizoXX Hahaha couldn't say it better myself.
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
theres two types of people in the world Italians & wanna be Italians
FuriousExcite 1 year ago
FORZA ITALIAAA
FreeFama89 1 year ago
MY NAME IS BENSON HURST!!
graalhelp4 1 year ago
hey i have a question...I have went to a lot of dif places...why do the men in nyc seem to have a resentment towards woman and girls that have been hurt before or they say that woman over age 25 are damaged goods and they go out of their way to be rejecting and cold towards them..where do they get these ideas from?...like they purposely ignore them and try to treat them like their no good...is this for their male ego or do they just get pleasure out of seeing them feel bad ?
nicoleayanna 1 year ago
@nicoleayanna I don't see it that way
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
KEEP B-HURST ITALIAN!!!
punknigga 1 year ago
England a land of immigrants
chefter14 1 year ago
So according you you way of thinking, some caribbean niggers come to the UK, have a child, the child grows up in England, knows your football teams and eats fish and chips, he is "100% English" according to you right?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
I will repeat this again, there are over 20,000 speakers of Italian Dialects in Bensonhurst Brooklyn alone, many of these people visit Italy every year, I have no idea what relationship this has to what you call "a plastic paddy" Many of these people have cousins who they visit in their villages all the time, including myself.
You keep changing the subject, which is that you think once someone of a certain ethnic group has children in another country, the cease to have any connection.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
It's hard to understand because 1. Your ignoring the Italian governments own definition of who is Italian. 2. You are using a faulty logic by saying that someones blood and family relationship to their ancestral homeland accounts for NOTHING, and WHERE they were born accounts for EVERYTHING.
You act as if I am the first person to ever suggest to you the concept of race and nation, which is really surprising to me. True Nations are Biological, not Geographical like a football team.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Put it this way.
You're so proud to be an 'Italian' right? Living as close as you do on a different continent.
So here's a thought.
Why don't you join the Italian Army and get on the next plane with them down to one of their former colonies in East Africa. You could help them fight rebels in Eritrea and Amara.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, If anything, it's Scotland that really conquered engayland through the throne, and the union jack doesn't mean shit, as that is the britshit flag, not the Scottish one,
Scottish flag is light blue, not dark navy blue!
The blue in the union flag looks more like the Tenerife flag rather than the Scottish one
GLORD99092 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
The Italian Neighborhoods in NY have very little to do with "100% American Culture" because when our grandparents arrived they lived almost completely isolated from other ethnic groups. The culture took its own path very different from the other Americans. Now I am not trying to say we are exactly the same as Italians in Italy, of course not, but you seem to be completely ignorant of what these people are like in their comparison to other Americans.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
You're no different from plastic paddies.
They claim to be Irish, yet none of them can speak a word of Gaelic. They have never even been to Ireland. Drinking their fake Guinness in their gimmicky 'pubs'. Wearing flat caps and t-shirts with a four leaf clover on it. They are walking gift shops.
It's nothing short of pathetic and sad.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921 very well said!!!
braposo23 1 year ago
I guess since you did not answer my question, that you are more just wanting to stick to your opinion without and facts to base it on. The recognition of Citizenship by blood is not practiced in England, but this is not the case as in other countries. What you think is less important than what the Italian law and the General opinion of Italians in Italy, I have been to Italy and 11 other countries in Europe.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
Nobody really gives a shit what your bloodline is mate.
You're an American.
Do you know how ridiculous you'd sound coming to Europe and telling everybody who cared to listen to you that you're actually Italian?
You're born and bred American, with an American accent.
Italy is thousands of miles the other way.
England has Colosseums, towns and villages left over from the Roman's. We've got more right than a yank to claim Italian heritage. Do we? Nah, We're the fucking ENGLISH!
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
I am just trying to understand this warped logic of birth by soil and not by blood, I mean to me its just riddled with double standards in today's society. He is saying "He is more Italian" than me because he lives closer and according to him knows more about football games. Despite Italian Nationality law clearly Stating that I am Italian and he is not. I am not saying that I am exactly like my cousins in Calabria, but I have alot more similarities with them than some English pub alcoholic.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
You aint Italian.
Why is that so hard to understand.
Eating spaghetti and saying Mama Mia doesn't make you Italian mate. Sorry, but it doesn't.
Id love to see you in Italy, trying to communicate with some old boy down a cobbled street in Udine, trying to explain to him in your american accent that can;t speak a word of Italian that actually Signore, Im an Italian/American!!
You think a Native Italian really looks at you and thinks you're Italian?
Nah
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago 2
@AngloSaxon1921 Actually Yeah, Not only does the state recognize Italians of the Diaspora as Italians, the average Italian citizen recognizes their cousins as Italian no matter where they live, Bensonhurst alone has over 20,000 Italian speakers, and even the ones who aren't fluent usually understand a lot more than "Mama Mia", where are you getting your information from?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
If you want to claim Italian heritage then do so. For all i know both your parents are Italians from Italy.
But that doesn't make you Italian. What YOU are is an American. You've grown up with, sorry to say, a diluted Italian culture, and 100% genuine American culture.
You can have Little Italy, you can have Chinatown, you can have a Greek district. You can have whatever. But the real deal is Italy, is China, is Greece.
Why is that hard to understand?
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921 Again, you have an adiction of constantly spelling the word 'ENGAYLAND'
Very amusing...
And yes, the country you live on was 'Brittania' founded and civilized by the Romans, they called Scotland 'Caledonia' (Land of Hard men in Latin), and they could never conqure Scotland, so technically Scotland is NOT Brittania!
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
Scotland is under the flag of the Union Jack
We conquered Scotland. That simple.
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can you say England? ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, Wow! you are one pure dumb bastard!
Scotland took over the engaylish throne in 1603 which led to the act of union of 1707 you daft bastard, engayland, like the romans, the vikings, the norse & normans, all failed to conqure Scotland, Scotland still remain largly unconqured where as engayland have been conqured four times and burnt to the ground twice!
Only a deluded engaylander would make shit up to help his arguement, you're a prime example of that!
Dumb gay accent engaylander!
GLORD99092 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, When you Engaylish came from Germany when the Romans left Brittania, you brought Brittania backwards into the dark ages which didn't end till 1066 when the Normans came and totally fucked you hard and completely annihilated you saxon shitheads, after that they civilized Brittania once more
GLORD99092 1 year ago
Why are you even arguing with him about such things, whether it is true or not he will invent anything about history in his mind to justify his statements.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese, Well it is true, like most engilish on youtube, he'll make up stuff to suit his arguement, but when he realises how knowledgeable you are on the subject, he'll change what he says
GLORD99092 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
For some reason I have a feeling, if a person of Anglo-Saxon Race, who was born say in China, spoke fluent chinese, had a Chinese Passport came up to you and told you he was Chinese, you would laugh in his face and say "No where are you really from" Yet with other people, you have a different standard, when its Americans of European descent.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
And I never asked you about what the demographics of Britain were, I asked you the question twice and you pretty much just avoided answering it, but lets try again, since you like to pretend I didn't ask you:
So let me get this straight, if you are born closer to a nations proximity, that makes you more similar to the people there than the people who share the exact same blood, heritage, religion and customs as them who live further away?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
And who the fuck is he to say the Italians in New York are "Not Italians". Under Italian law the decendants of an Italian citizen are Italian citizens, despite whether they have obtained the Italian passport or not. This is a fact, The Italians in New York never "Hijacked" Italian culture because they already had the Culture without any interruption. Did it become altered from the one in Italy ? Yes, but to say these people are less Italian is completely absurd.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago 2
My media told me that? Man I have seen it with my own eyes, Britain has not only a large amount of them, but it also has the highest race mixing rate in Europe. I have seen that with my own eyes, and not Just when I was in England, I also went on vacation in Crete and have been to Malia, where there are plenty of girls fucking with blacks and pakistanis, they even imported them to Crete with them, so don't tell me BS about my "Media"
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabre, Also, there is no such thing as 'Engilish blood', they are not a race or separate in anyway from there Germanic ancessters, they were just old German invaders who came to these isles after the Romans left.
'Brittania' is known as Engiland and Wales today, but it belonged to the Romans, as 'Brittania' was nothing more than an extended province of Rome,
It's the Scots/Welsh/Cornish/Irish ect who are the true natives to their lands.
The engilish are angles/saxons/jutes from Germania
GLORD99092 1 year ago
@GLORD99092 I understand your point, but what I mean when I say "English Blood" are the tribes, who made up what would become the Kingdom of England, Which is basically a mixture of Celts and Germanics. I don't consider paksitans, eastern europeans, blacks and these others apart of that original group, as they have nothing to do with the history of the country.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese, Yes but they are much more Germanic blooded than Celt, the reason some of them have Celt blood is because they live at the north that borders the Scottish borders and others who border the Welsh border, and those in Cornwall (Kernow) don't actually consider themselfs Engilish because they are more decended from Celts.
Also the Engilish using sports (particularly football) to settle an arguement is very common, it's one of the very few ways they can win an arguement
GLORD99092 1 year ago
Jog on boy.
Are you from Cornwall then?
Nope, so move along.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, Now go chew on your last spotted dick before you bow down to your new sharia court buildings
GLORD99092 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
Of course there is you fool from the middle east.
our ancestors created England, it used to be called Englalande by the Saxon's. Our ancestors made England you muppet. And we drove the Celt's out and turned it into the greatest Empire the world has ever seen.
You're obsessed with the Cornish as well. Guess what, the Cornish are Saxon's and Norman's. There aint anything Celt about them!
Your history is dreadful.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, Your ancestors creted engiland?! ROFL!
You mean the Romans are your ancestors then?
The Romans created and civilised the land, when the German saxons/jutes and angles came in, they just brought Brittania backwards with barbarism and a highly uncivilised society, and it remained that way untill the Normans came from France (Normandy) to civilize you, making you the pompous poofters you are today.
GLORD99092 1 year ago
Did the Romans create the British Empire?
After the Romans left the dark ages came to England because the Celt's moved back. And with it they brought their backward civilisation. England saw infratsructure, running water, sanitation and colosseums.
It's only when the Saxon's, Normans, Vandals, Vikings etc all came together after kicking the Celt's out that England saw advanced civilisation again.
Who gives a fuck what Cornwall is called. Kernow? Nah nah, it's CORNWALL.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, No, the Romans civilized and founded it, hense why you took their name 'Brittania' to britain, the Celts were far more civilized than the Germanic tribes in Brittania, look up 'How the Celts saved Britain', the angles and saxons brought Brittania back to the dark ages, untill the Normans civilized you once more.
Like a typical engilish though, you make up history to suit your arguements, that's the 'Cyber Limey style'
And 'Kernow' is known around the world more than you'd like
GLORD99092 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, Also, the Dark ages were before the Romans came you pure dumb cunt!
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
Depends where you have been.
London isn't England. London is like all big cities in Western society, almost totally devoid of the indigenous population.
8 million people living in London and i think the statistic was something like 1 in 7 is English. The rest are immigrants and foreign workers.
If you go outside London, to smaller cities and towns all you see is white faces, and nothing else.
Less than 5% of the UK is non white.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
I mean, if I am to understand this right, a 100% by blood English person in America named "Charles Wilkinson" or Whatever, is not English in your mind, he is a "Bloody Yank" because he happened to be Born on US soil and raised there, despite belonging to the same church, having the same DNA and a full understanding and respect for his Ancestors. Then in England, some Nigger from the colonies who is born near you is way more English because he knows about football teams? Is that it?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@GrecoCalabrese, Yes it is, as they are born here, they have a birthright as it is their native land of birth, people don't like yanks hi-jacking their culture y'know what I'm saying? And it just sounds dead weird how they like to say they are Scottish/Irish/Engilish/Welsh ect in that disgustingly annoying accent that they have just because they had an ancesster from these countries 100's and 100's of years ago
GLORD99092 1 year ago
I don't care what somebodies surname is.
Born in America, then you're an American.
I happen to have a mate, he has an English mother and an Italian father. His father comes from Sicily. He supports Palermo. BUt you wouldn't know anything about football being an American.
Anyway, ive not once heard my mate tell anybody he is Italian. He doesn't consider himself Italian. He is 100% English, born and bred, got English culture and tradition running through his veins.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
yeah, and that mentality you have is exactly why your race will be extinct, and it will be a bunch of mixed raced bastards running around calling themselves english. What a joke of a nation you people are. The only true meaning of Nation is Blood, nothing else. If you can't understand that, your country is doomed to become just a footnote in the pages of history. The fact that your using football to compare with cultural identity, shows what little culture you yourself have.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
We have plenty of culture in England. Our nation is steeped in history. I drink in pubs older than the USA.
We know who we are. We're English and proud. We don't need to pretend we're anything other than English.
Europeans, REAL Europeans, have different languages, traditions and cultures, but we connect daily through our love of the same sport, and through our close proximity. You can fly to Milan for a business conference, and be back in time for late lunch.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, Kernow (Cornwall) is and always will be a Celt country, it's part of the 'Six Celtic countries' and no you didn't drive them out, the saxons just mainly took over the land where the Romans left off.
There is no such thing as 'englishness', all it is, is a patch work many many different peoples and cultures put together, (Like a mini America).
Your just known for spotted dick, gary glitter, elton john, spice girls, margaret thatcher, birds custard, ignorance, morris dancing ect
GLORD99092 1 year ago
You're from Qatar. Enough said.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, ENGAYLAND ENGAYLAND ENGAYLAND? Wow you know how to spell 'Engayland',
Good for you, now go brush your limey teeth, and remember to do it properly this time, don't forget to floss
GLORD99092 1 year ago
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AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
Very Nice Video..
eddiemambo 1 year ago
Funny. Because i thought the home of the Italians was Italy, in Europe. A totally different continent to the USA.
You're as bad as plastic paddies who claim to be Irish when not a single one of them has left New York or Boston.
Nothing Italian about a bunch of New Yorkers.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921 Can I ask you something, with all do respect? I am interested in understanding your logic, now I would say that Italians in Brooklyn are different from Italians in Italy (I have been to both places) But there are huge cultural similarities and traditions, much closer than an English person who lives closer to Italy. Are you saying that if the offspring of africans born in England are "British" ?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
If you're born and bred on the British Isles, then you're British.
You never hear anybody from England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland say 'im african/english, im italian/welsh.
We just don't do that. How far back do you want to go before you sound ridiculous?
The English are all immigrants, we're from various tribes in Northern Europe going back to before Christ.
Can you tell somebody that you're Jute/English and keep a straight face, or that you're a Viking, or a Pict? So why Italian?
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
Oh Ok, so in your mind any Nigger or Pakistan that fucks your sister, is your "British Bulldog" brother in arms because he was born on the same land as you? I mean I have been to England 2 times, once in london, once in Buckinghamshire, and I remember seeing all this Blacks and Pakistans actually believing their are English and whatever, just because they were born there. You just changed the subject, why dont you answer my questions instead talking about sports and bullshit.
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
My sister doesn't fuck niggers or pakis. She is married to a white lad.
We don't have many blacks and pakis anyway. It's only your media that portrays that, and you got to tourist hotspots which also happens to be wher eall foreign workers and immigrants live unless it's outside London.
What question? You didn't ask one.
Just know you're not Italian. Your langauage isn't the same for a start, your culture isn't, even your surroundings aint Italian.
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago
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@AngloSaxon1921 "What Question? You didn't ask one." I didn't? Obviously your resorting to blatantly lying, well in case you have amnesia I will post it again:
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So let me get this straight, if you are born closer to a nations proximity, that makes you more similar to the people there than the people who share the exact same blood, heritage, religion and customs as them who live further away?
GrecoCalabrese 1 year ago
@AngloSaxon1921, No, your sister got fucked by Engaylish pakis & Niggers, just like how your ancessters got fucked by the Normans back in the day,
She gets fucked dead hard doesn't she? jealous are you? lol, never mind, I'm sure she enjoys it
GLORD99092 1 year ago
ha ha ha jog on shit skin,
You're from Qatar you third worlder. Go and wash in a river
AngloSaxon1921 1 year ago