Jesus or Muhammed - Who is the better role model for society today?

[Tearlach2012]

Muslims would be better to go back to their Muslim countries and leave us all in peace.

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@Tearlach2012 I think it would be better if you guys don't think that Islam is a bad religion. Islam is a good religion. If you want to debunk that Islam is a bad religion, to find our ways how we refute those proves.

[Tearlach2012]

@KNOWNMuslim001 Islam is bad for every country it immigrates to. That's why we have Islamophobia or a natural reaction to the effects of this vile so-called religion. Muslims cannot stop Islam being criticised in Europe - you don't like it go back home :-)

[julio14335]

We make no distinction between them, our nabi saw say Im very close to Jesus uhbp than the Christians themselfe" we love and respect them all...

[uzamakirendan]

@julio14335 Surah Al' ma 'idah 5:51 clearly states that Muslims cannot take Jews and Christians as friends.

[julio14335]

@uzamakirendan There is HIKMA behind every verse in the KORAN.

[uzamakirendan]

@julio14335 So explain it please.

[julio14335]

@uzamakirendan Hikma means Wisdom if you want to understand the verse read the context the verse that goes with it before or after.

[uzamakirendan]

@julio14335 Still means the same to me. Looks like Muslims shouldn't be friends with Christians and Jews huh.

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@uzamakirendan Nah, you're just wrong. Don't make me fucking find the way how we debunk this same fucking shit. I mean, you're the one who made a topic.

[uzamakirendan]

@KNOWNMuslim001 Good job since you obviously just overwhelmed me with your amazing argument. And what the fuck do you mean by "we"? I'm Muslim too.

[aboodred1]

does love solve all issues we face in this earth?

[aboodred1]

if all sins are going to be forgiven by Jesus according to biblical teaching then why we have man made laws; i.e. if i'm going to steal why should i go to jail if Jesus died for my sin and he will forgive me!!!

[uzamakirendan]

@aboodred1 Because only a dick would do those things... if you know you can get away with something doesn't necessarily mean you're still gonna do it.

[aboodred1]

Good job Sami

[going2sleep]

Everyone knows who won in this debate. It is up to Christians who watch this debate and question which teaching I should follow as a GUIDE to life, submission to The Creator, and gain pleasure of God. That teaching is not to accept that an innocent "died" or "sacrificed" himself for some man's sin. It is to follow teachings of all prophets and submit to God.Wonderful job Sami. Your methodology in debates is outstanding!!

[027Erik]

Guy in the pink shirt looks like Robert Logia

[aboodred1]

@027Erik great catch LOL; your comment has a great point.

[KNOWNMuslim001]

Sami is so winning. (I haven't watched the whole video yet)

[KNOWNMuslim001]

Recording fail, on 34:00 to 35:00. :3

[my143jaycats]

Jesus is my God and Savior! Glory and Honor unto his name!

[CrimsonRunnerToJesus]

@SamiZaatari Do you love me?

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@CrimsonRunnerToJesus ...he's a Muslim... are you a girl?

[CrimsonRunnerToJesus]

@KNOWNMuslim001 Yes, I know he's a Muslim. Whether I'm a girl or not has no bearing on my question, which I've been patiently waiting for an answer...

[Tearlach2012]

@KNOWNMuslim001 Are you a girl? What a Muslim question.

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@Tearlach2012 What's your problem?

[peaceisgood23]

@SamiZaatari Assalamu alaykum brother, are you planning on doing anymore debates against sam shamoun or David wood. Especially sam shamoun, who thinks he knows everything about islam. You or bassam zawadi should try to debate them and their deceptive ways. Thanks brother.

[MuslimRationalizer]

Zaatari absolutely rocked this guy no joke.

[AQGOAT24]

I am not one to believe in religious bullshit, but Muhammad is a good role model in how fool a billion people, and Jesus was probably the more moral person (no cases of pedophilia, nor violence). This is assuming that Hadith is valid as some Muslims do not follow Hadith.

[AQGOAT24]

@AQGOAT24 how to *

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@AQGOAT24 Wow, are you Atheist? Let me ask you two questions. (I'm not very experienced in Islam, but I'll try answer some questions about Islam from you)

1. How everything, especially the Universe and the Big Band, exist or created. If the "creator" created that, how the "creator" created? And if there's another creator, how THAT creator created?

2. If life is freedom, how can you change your birth date or your age or what creature you born?

[MatrixOfDynamism]

@KNOWNMuslim001 you can answers to your questions on youtube itself. Try Mujtahid2006's debate on athiesm.

[schpoogie]

I have to admit, Jay went totally off-topic in his opening argument. I was very disapointed he didn't even mention Luke 6:29....among one of my favourite verses and very beutiful

[schpoogie]

The big question is, why are islamic nations among the most destitute and violent? sami even said himself at 0:42:22 "freedom the basic principle of western society". Is it not for Islamic nations too?

[SamiZaatari]

@schpoogie 'islamic' nations are ruled by secular dictatorships, so go get your facts straight and pick a book up.

[BelfastAtheist]

@SamiZaatari

What ''Islamic Nations'' are you talking about? Saudi Arabia? Oman? Yemen?

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@BelfastAtheist I think he mean't every Islamic Nations.

[draydrone]

neither

[StoneColdNipple]

jay avoided the issue in its entirety. stating only miracles and denouncing muhammed. sami used fact, went by the topic, and gave logical answers. mr zaatari won by a landslide

[5160173]

Jay Smith is just...He doesn't know what he's talking about and keeps on conflicting himself, he didn't actually rebut Sami's arguments. Sami, on the other hand, completely rebutted all of Jay's arguments. Please Sami, keep doing and participating in such fruitful and clarifying debates because there're a lot of people who have a distorted image and view of Allah -The Almighty-, Islam, Mohammed and Muslims because of the biased and deceiving Western media. May Allah bless you, Sami

Keep going :)

[Tearlach2012]

@5160173 Why don't you Muslims do and live back in your Muslim countries where you have such freedoms and tolerance for others? Funny how none of you want to go back to where you originate from - being born in the UK isn't an excuse.

[ukmale999]

This debate was a No contest. jay smith is a terrible debator

[Tearlach2012]

@ukmale999 Because he's not a Muslim :-) How pathetic. Just like your Pagan Kaaba.

[ukmale999]

@Tearlach2012 are you stupid? he's a terrible debater because he's a terrible debator. i guess you're finding it hard to grasp that.

even more pathetic like yourself.

[Tearlach2012]

@ukmale999 Thanks for your reply. I don't have to justify my opinion to a Muslim. The UK is not a Muslim country either.

Your Quran has many versions (some 37 according to those from the Uthman codex) and you can't even get the Trinity correct. Islam just hates Jews - that's your biggest problem.

[ukmale999]

@Tearlach2012 even if you did have justification, its worthless to me.

do you often argue from silence? lol

When did i say the uk is a muslim country? lol

muslims only hate the jews/zionists that are trying to take ove palistine.

you want to bring up the trinity lol lol.

The trinity is the most pathetic nonsense ever made up. you have 3 seperate beings but are actually one being, they posess different levels of power but are all the same lol lol. what a joke. good one lol

[Tearlach2012]

@ukmale999 My justification is worthless to you? That's Muslim tolerance for you. That sums you up.

For Christians God (The Father) is the supreme and only being - all things come from Him - but Muslims just don't see it like that.

What about the Shias and their saints, Sufis, Ismailists, etc? Mmmm reassuring to know that Islam also has its diversity. What you'll find is that Europeans (I'm Swedish) won't take shit from Islam.

[samcan1980]

23:02 He did say something. He said "Oh heavenly father, why have you forsaken me!" Strange thing for Jesus to say when he is god himself! What's worse, if he died for humanity's sin, why is he showing fear by saying the above statement? He should be welcoming death, right?

[TrinityDesist]

By the topic of this debate, Christianity can't give anything about it.

US Constitutions which call "Bill of Rights" is 100% exact copy of Islamic Law which calls "Sharia".

Christianity can't give even one law which is match with the US constitution. Don't take my words, go ahead and study.

Peace!

[Gnomefro]

@TrinityDesist "US Constitutions which call "Bill of Rights" is 100% exact copy of Islamic Law which calls "Sharia"."

You truly are delusional. As far as this debate goes - to even insinuate that a pedophile, rapist, slaver, plunderer and imperialist from 700AD has anything to contribute to modern society is to be utterly retarded. It's like discussing how Attila the Hun could serve as a role model. I can't do anything but shake my head in disbelief at this nonsense.

[MOETHEPARTY]

@Gnomefro if you think you are debator get knowlegde and debate sami zaatari if you think you are better!! this kind of nonsense you bring is always brought up in other debate and they will always be explained in context... you are total losers

[TrinityDesist]

@Gnomefro "to even insinuate that a pedophile, rapist, slaver, plunderer and imperialist from 700AD has anything to contribute to modern society is to be utterly retarded."

All of these that you mention, did never exist in the modern society? Lets take the rape. Is your modern society helped to stop the rape which in USA every second a woman gets raped?

Can you tell me what is the first written bill of right in the history?

Peace!

[Tearlach2012]

@TrinityDesist LOL Dream on. Sharia is 1400 years old and in the Dark Ages,

[hchsbp1]

This shouldn't even be a debate. Christians have no records of Jesus' (as) life for him to be a role model.

Most do not even know his real name. The things you find in the bible which they claim to be made by Jesus are no different than the quotes you get from a Chinese fortune cookie.

[KeithTruth]

Good job Jay

[SamiZaatari]

the christian spam bots are here giving false thumbs up to themselves, and spamming comments that debunk them, it's like 1-2 of them, they just come here on their bot accounts. lol how pathetic.

[EibeMandel]

@SamiZaatari please disable video comments, the debate speaks for itself :P

[SamiZaatari]

@EibeMandel it's good to have comments, you can get some constructive ones which you can learn from.

[cycler7755]

@SamiZaatari Why do you think that? Maybe many Christians and people of other religions are watching this clip, and think Jay did a better job. Ever thought of that Sami?

Kind of an arrogant comment you made

[SamiZaatari]

@cycler7755 lol no not arrogance, i know how youtube works, magically one person leaves a comment and magically it gets so many thumbs up so quickly just like that randomly? even you know its true. 

[DrXoz]

BTW how did James Smith win the debate when he went of topic like a million times? Secondly he admitted himself that Jesus did not have any role as a good statesman or family man, he admitted himself that a prophet of god should not have any role in those fields while of cours they should if they want to be a good role model

[DrXoz]

I think this is one of the best performance by Sami.

[supremercommonder]

This is the reason why i never see Christianity implemented there just talk. The statue if you look how corrupt they are, you clearly understand the reasons why Islam is the way for mankind. During the golden statue of the khilafa in the whole history of the statue, only about 5 people in the statues history got punished for robbery. Thats how the teachings got implemented criminals revered gods law and remember, almost half the world was under the khilafa from span to china.

[RicoAbdulProject]

The guy at the end 100% contradicted everything he said about jesus from 2:04:20 1st he called jesus the son of god and then a minute after he calls jesus god himself.....I dont see any logic in how debating over this non sense is going to help the world and its problems...2 hours could have been spent much more productively.

[RicoAbdulProject]

at the end... 2:04:11 he stated the complex relationship between jesus and his father (god) who apparently sacrificed his son and this as a perfect example of family (jesus giving his father a big hug in heaven)...Then at 2:05:55 he started to claim that jesus was god reincarnated.... so to make this clear god came to earth as jesus prayed to himself as if he was in heaven and then died and went back up to himself??? :-S

[HyperDarkness91]

Brothers & Sisters, please stop making fun of Jay Smith, we must make Dawah with a respectful way for non-Muslims.

BTW, Why is the debate somehow edited or cut from 30:01 and after?

[maroom1]

Both are bad model for society

[MuslimsNeedJesus]

Jay definitely won this one

[TheMrco0ol]

@MuslimsNeedJesus r u sure u watched the same debate we did????

when did Christians ever win a debate?

[kingAasim]

@FromIslam2Christ never against Sami.

[mujtahid2006]

@FromIslam2Christ

Keep telling yourself that mate - if it makes you feel better lol

[MuslimRationalizer]

@FromIslam2Christ Sami won.



[pillgrimz]

mashaAllah sami

[izlamiztruth]

sami zaatari is a sharp debater . in all his debates he is covers all his point that the haters bring up . but jay smith is too funny this guy is a comedian .

[muslim9x9x]

did the christians EDIT this debate? it keeps skipping 34:00....

[KhurshidMJ]

it is amazing that sami totally humiliates him in this debate, and sami is prolly half his age.. SAMI = GENIUS Mashallah

[ProudSaracen]

The Christian side clearly got owned in this debate. Great job, Sami! It is ridiculous when Christians compare their Jesus-God with a human being Muhammad (peace be upon him). This clearly shows us that the Christians are worshipping a human being as their God.

[saeed319]

Its a huge shame these videos are not recorded more professionally. How hard is it to place the camcorder IN FRONT of the speakers?

[truebeliever786]

My God, I have to say Jay makes himself look like the biggest idiot in the world, he sounds like a disrespectful, over-enthusiatic, passionate lunatic, rather than a logical person, especially when he tells the questioner in 1:36:22-30:

"Oh because that's the nature of the debate, if you don't like the debate then don't come".

Everyone would think of him as an asshole after hearing that...

[truebeliever786]

He says Isa isn't the right name.

What the hell is the right name? Jesus, the blond haired, blue eyed Aryan Master-race man who was white?

Isa is Arabic for Esau, his name in Aramaic, which was Jesus' mother tongue. Its far closer to the real name of the Messiah than the bullshit name 'Jesus'...

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@truebeliever786 I agree with you, but you sound like against a religion. Don't you have respect with other religion? I mean, if they believe that, we should not say something like what you said. Or else you will make it worse.

[truebeliever786]

@KNOWNMuslim001 Look bro, Jesus is a made up name that's all I'm saying, all people, including Christians, believe his original name was Yeshua not Jesus, Jesus is some English/European name, not the real name...

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@truebeliever786 Yes, I know. But eventhough you keep saying like that, they will never trust you. (Because well, no prove)

[truebeliever786]

@KNOWNMuslim001 Well all their scholars and everyone knows the Hebrew name is Yeshua and Aramaic name is Esau...

[KNOWNMuslim001]

@truebeliever786 Okay... end conversation. :)

[erikfadli]

It is too obvious. Jay knowledge of Islam is superficial.

[Hamza5274]

I think Jay must be a devout Muslim who pretends to be a Christian debater in order to make Christianity look hopeless

[THAT1UMMAH]

This debate (The topic I should say) is like me saying witch one is better water or oxygen?

Both are very important!

Both Jesus and Mohammed were prophets.

Just chill brothers and sisters in Islam.

[MrTheglovner]

@THAT1UMMAH

No this debate (or topic should we say) is like anybody saying which is more important.

The loch ness monster's flipper colour or Bigfoot's choice in flip-flop manufacturer.

[TheSheikhsamad]

samy nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!

[HaXaKgamer]

Jay is still at kindergarden level in these debates lol...

[Curiousquest2]

Any other debate by sammy please let me know i would like to watch.

Thanks.

[Curiousquest2]

Thanks for uploading .

[Curiousquest2]

Thanks brother sammy

[SamiZaatari]

@cycler7755 lol your the example of a hopeless cause, most of your silly points were addressed and countered, and i'll ask again, where in the bible does it even give an age for marriage, your debater jay smith, because the bible doesn't, so when you say the prophet married a 6 year old, where in the bible does it say you can't?

you can keep blabbering about amen and all glory goes to jesus bla bla bla and go sing your hyms bla bla, but it doesn't answer a thing or prove any point, :)

[cycler7755]

@SamiZaatari I like you Sami, but I don't think you're on the right track.

Comparing Jesus to Muhammad is like comparing day to night. Jesus is sinless whereas Muhammad is sinful, both in a historic and a modern context

[fahadshippuden]

@cycler7755 Muhammad is prophecied Deuteronomy 18:18-19. Jesus never fought battles and Jesus role is quite different when comparing. Muhammad is more like unto Moses. He was the last prophet Jesus's job is NOT DONE YET as he is the Messiah and will return to clarify the true teachings of god i.e Islam.

[cycler7755]

@fahadshippuden No, because it clearly says in Deut that the prophet will be an ISRAELITE.

Muhammad was not an Israelite, so it could not possibly be talking about him.

Again, Muslims grasp at straws. The Qu'ran says Muhammad is found in both the Old and New Testament, but he is found in neither. You search for it in vain, grasping at straws, because you have to find something otherwise it proves the Qu'ran wrong. Well, the truth is, the Qu'ran IS wrong. Muhammad is not mentioned in the Bible

[SamiZaatari]

@cycler7755 the quran doesn't say old or new testament, can you point me to a single verse that says old testament and new testament?

[EibeMandel]

@cycler7755 You know what the funny thing is? If you tell a Jew, that Jesus is prophesied in the old testament, he will also say: "No, he isn't."

"No, because it clearly says in Deut that the prophet will be an ISRAELITE."

"I will raise THEM (the Israelites) up a Prophet from among their BRETHREN (the Arabs)"

[cycler7755]

@EibeMandel You're wrong my friend. Brethren refers to fellow Israelites who have received the Law, the context makes that very clear.

Read this, it explains it in detail, better than I could in this short space:

h t t p : / / answering-islam . o r g /Silas/deut1818.htm

[adeelamjad1]

@cycler7755 According to Michael Hart Muhammad was 1 and Jesus 3 in the most influential people of all time. He goes on to say Muhammad was the only man in history to be successful in both religious and secular realms. Lamartine and Gandhi are also just a few that agree with this statement. Watch the following video: /watch?v=pN-XeR-dTMo You say what you say not out of credible knowledge, but out of ignorance and hate; that wasn't very Christian of you!

[cycler7755]

@adeelamjad1 No, what I say is according to the Hadith, which is Islamic sources.

And no one denies Muhammad was influential, but so was Hitler. Influential does not necessarily mean good.

Muhammad did many things that are considered extremely inappropriate and even criminal by today's standards. That is completely undeniable my friend

[adeelamjad1]

@cycler7755 "Muhammad did many things that are considered extremely inappropriate and even criminal by today's standards. That is completely undeniable my friend." Care to name a few? Besides him marrying a 6 year old which is a pathetic point. Bring me reliable sources that I can verify, and preferably not any quotes from Christian Evangelical nut-bag sites. If the ace up your sleeve is from the nut-bag sites as your source, then please don't waste my time, my friend!

[MOETHEPARTY]

@adeelamjad1 lol Prophet didnt do anything wrongs or inappropraite this.We muslims dont care about todays standard beacuse there is no standard! pornography is legall, some drugs in some western country is legal, baying prostitute is legal you want to talk about today standard and apply that to prophet mohammed peace be upon him?Gays for 100 years was executed! Girl used to marry in young ages only in 2 generation back my swedish friend grandmother was 14 when she got married you please get lost

[adeelamjad1]

@cycler7755 Part 2: I speak from a secular point of view. But in my personal opinion, neither should be compared because they are both prophets of god (apparently) and did the job god commanded them to do. It's in god's hand to decide who he favors, we as humans should except all the prophets and respect them equally as a blessing of god. Muhammad is mentioned in the Qur'an once or twice (if that), Jesus is mentioned over 25 times, I guess that shows his standing in Islam. Peace!

[SamiZaatari]

@cycler7755 all glory doesn't go to jesus, as jay said, give to caesar what's caesar, so if he demands all glory, then you have to give it to him, lol. oh this is just too funny.

[cycler7755]

@SamiZaatari ?

[babaawais]

Loves the way Sammy explain every thing..........

[babaawais]

Lovies the way Sammy explain every thing..........

[mummafier]

lol did jay say at 1:47 that the model we follow today in western societies is the model of jesus? i guess jesus owned slaves at one point in his life which made it legal for the 1800 americans to own slaves.

[gfdgerhehrhe]

awesome debate

[somalification]

Sami OWNED the debate! Mashallah!

May Allah blessed you brother!

[lespaul2000]

Regarding Aisha's (R.A) age, Mary (A.S) was around 11 or 12 years old when she gave birth to the Holy Prophet Jesus (A.S) according to some Christian sources. Such ignorance and hypocrisy from the Christians. JazakAllah Khairan Brother Sami.

[babkrani]

Is it me or the christian guy is off-topic ?

[swiftspy]

Indeed samy is getting better and better. God told us in the Quran that all prophets are equals and that He does not make any difference between them. I prefer to stick to that idea in accordance with the Quranic prophets of course.

[penkallli]

Why debate this guy I dont get it, could the christian side get some1 more knowledgeable ?!?! Like a PhD or something in Islam or christianity, no disrespect intended !!!

Many of these debators bring up the same arguments all over again, please give us muslims a real challenge for once !!!!

[pkmnmaster29]

I seen clip of JAY SMITH  talk shit and lie about islam , and he loves to keep saying god has a penis and long hair XD

[sightuponlight]

Sami is maturing into a good debater, well done.

[RELLIK97]

christian dude keeps lying or changing the subject when it benefits him

[1Diaaa]

loool jay says we have to believe what he did for us on the cross loool as if he can to do a job die .. does not make sense .

[KhurshidMJ]

SAMI ZATARI ROCKS

[mummafier]

is it just me or is the video a little scratched up around 34mins i couldnt hear the arguments :(

[shakirshuvo]

Well done Sami, young master! Jesus (pbuh), according to the Bible, was sent to the Jews only; "'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."~ (Matthew 10:5-6). However, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to the whole mankind; "O mankind! Verily, there has come to you the Messenger (Muhammad) with the truth from your Rabb (Sustainer).~(Qurân 4: 170). So, according to the scriptures it's qute obvious who's a better role model.

[hydromalik]

this christian guy is a filthy liar

[RockStarNorthSide]

love this vid...keep it up bro

[RationalConclusion]

Jesus or Muhammed? I suppose it all depends on your interpretation of scripture.

Personally I'd go with reason.