Mankind? - Find Your Future

[freemysoul23]

war is failed political policy



[allsfullofluv]

cool vid

[tvaroh77sk]

this song is amazing thanks women

[weemen2]

to me personally anarchism(libertarian-socialis­m),means no domination by any figure of authority,or any thing that is there to oppress me or any one A//E!!

[sheerterror77]

mMmMm

[sippel]

where can i find the fuckin ep?

[revivethe90s]

I honestly think this band would be amazing if the girl wasnt in the band

[Mrmelanee]

@revivethe90s my husband thinks the same, i don't agree. It's probably because i am a woman.

[iwanagasgroupie]

@revivethe90s fuck off, women rule too

[camb89]

im in the army an i love this band!

[titaroxxbitches]

@camb89 lol hooah!!!! me too

[Scheisskrieger]

Humans are inherently are a negative being

[Vagatarian2000]

1:19 history channel

[LinkK2B]

Fuckin fantastic tune, good call

[NeonNeckFace]

wooooooo dogggyyyy!

[Grind2Xtreme]

I love this band, but their politics are such bullshit. The US military is the reason Hitler didn't win the war. What's more punk than defeating the nazis? That right, NOTHING.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

The Americans came fairly late into the war, but that's beside the point. The lesser of two evils is still evil. Both sides can be wrong in their own way. Anarchist politics is about identifying the common undercurrent, that is the existence of repression in the form and political and military authority.

[Grind2Xtreme]

So, it was wrong for us to get involved in ww2 and prevent millions of more Jews and Gypsies from dying? Do you think ANYTHING other than retaliation would have brought the about defeat of the Third Reich. I'm all for world peace, but it just isn't realistic. As long as one nation has a military, then the rest of the world needs a military. Otherwise the countries with military presence will have power over the countries without it.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

Have you ever read up on the Spanish Civil war? Granted it was by no means the best situation, but it did show that anarchists can and will organize to oppose an aggressor. Retaliation could and would have occurred regardless of the existence of any given state. The existence of the military only compounds the problem by disproportionately distributing power. Give the people the means to defend themselves and they will.

[Grind2Xtreme]

So you oppose the military because they are an organization that goes around and fights others, yet a bunch of anarchists or civilians getting together to fight an opposing side is fine by you? It's funny how such actions so accurately mirror that of the military. And in what possible way could giving people the power to defend themselves NOT end up in conflict after conflict that goes against the notion that the lesser of two evils is still evil?

[EsotericPsychedelic]

Don't put words in my mouth. I oppose the military for a variety of reasons, primarily because it serves to give a minority a monopoly over coercive action. Self-defense is not out of the question, and when engaging in defensive violence, arming the masses seems the best of a bad situation. However, keep in mind that WWII started as a result of the actions of western powers. Were it not for militaristic policies we wouldn't have that kind of widescale violence to begin with.

[Grind2Xtreme]

Let's say China invades the US tomorrow. You actually believe that letting civilians, who have no obligation to engage in combat, fight against them would be a more logical choice in contrast to highly trained military that dedicates its entire existance to fighting? And that's not to mention that military members can be court-martialed if found guilty of not carrying out duties, whereas civilians owe allegiance to nothing. Good luck getting people to join you on that political viewpoint.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

What I'm arguing against is the notion of militarism altogether. No one should owe allegiance to any abstraction, but people will defend themselves when their lives are in danger. By putting your faith in that highly trained military you create hierarchy; you create your own tyrants. We are not in an anarchy, I recognize that, but that does not mean political ideology should be completely guided by reactionary bullshit.

[Grind2Xtreme]

Point taken. My point is that the military can at times do a very clear good, for which there is clear evidence. The punk scene unfortunately only ever talks about and highlights mistakes and atrocities committed by us. They completely ignore any good that is procured due to our actions.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

I think that good is often very subjective. Atrocities occur in the most seemingly benevolent military actions. So long as one fights a "country" they ignore the individuals killed for what seems like the greater good. The end does not justify the means, and as long as one fights abstractions they feel they can justify the bodies left behind. An entity dealing in abstractions and using people as pawns is bound to moral reprehension.

[Grind2Xtreme]

Good can be quite subjective. As a secular humanist I still believe however that anything that results in the fewest amount of deaths of humans is the only true good. Soldiers killing innocent people does happen, but on the whole military members do everything in their power to NOT get caught in combat to prevent having to kill someone or be killed. The only people who join with murderous intentions are young kids who think war is glamorous.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

That sounds more utilitarian than humanist, humanist strikes me as a more ambiguous term, but that's just semantics. The entire concept of the military is based around the threat of violence. The individual soldiers may avoid fighting, but regardless, it's what they're there to do. I'm saying that no one should be killed in the name of these meaningless concepts.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

And I would disagree with your notion of "good." As long as an action cannot be justified as purely defensive or is justifiable in and of itself then I would call it's morality tenuous at best. Acting in terms of masses discards the lives of many innocent people regardless of whether that's intended. Killing one for the greater good is still one person dead in the name of abstract notions.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

And the ability to defend oneself does not necessarily lead to violence. I could hit someone today with a bat just for the hell of it, but I like to think a combination of moral considerations and fear of consequences keep me from doing so. When we deal in abstractions such as states, borders, religion, etc. we don't immediately have to deal with the consequences of our actions and become blind to them.

[Grind2Xtreme]

Uh, yes it does. Having the ability to defend yourself implies that there is something to defend yourself against. If no threat exists, then there is no ability to defend yourself.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

We have the potential to do a lot of things that we don't do. I'm saying that in light of entrenched militarism a society of anarchists ought to take up arms in self-defense. I'm not saying we arbitrarily stockpile arms in peacetime, and I doubt that many people would.

[Grind2Xtreme]

I'm also well aware that no military means no war. But as long as corrupt leaders exist, they will also create corrupt militaries, and the only effective way to combat a military that is backed by evil is by another country's military. If a day came when only peaceful countries existed and everyone got along, then disbanding military altogether would be realistic, but such ideas only entertain those who live in a hippie fantasy. Life isn't Disney bullshit where everyone is on the same page.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

There is no "good" country. The notion of a "country" itself implies domination, hierarchy, and corruption. The military are not on our side, unless you're one to carefully toe the line. What I'm saying is that those enemy armies are not our enemies, they are the enemies of our leaders; of our military. The only thing creating war are these constructs. What happens when they're torn down?

[EsotericPsychedelic]

And this isn't "hippie fantasy" or "Disney bullshit." As you said, as long as corrupt leaders exist, they will create militaries. What is anarchy but the rejection of authority? Put humanity in a position where our means of survival are in our own hands, and we'll be far more reluctant to claim that sort of authority as necessary.

[Grind2Xtreme]

Indeed a country with no government would be close to utopia. However, as altruistic as such beliefs are, I still firmly believe that anything like that could ever really happen. And even if it did, because of people having different capabilities society would once again revert to where we are now.

[EsotericPsychedelic]

It's possible. I don't think that that means we ought to quit trying. A lot of indigenous cultures manifested many of the tenets of anarchism in their day to day lives, and depending on what your definition of human is, we lived that way for the vast majority of our existence. I don't think that history is so monolithic as to bind us to this existence no matter what we do, and on a day to day basis I see evidence that a drastic change needs to occur. But you're free to your own opinions.

[k90728]

SO LETS JOIN THE ARMY SO YOU CAN FIGHT AND YOU CAN DIE!! the female vocals are amazing.

[CHVNX]

The Mankind? Dirt split was good. I disagree with a lot of anarcho politics these days, but it still rocks.

[TonyParanoit]

Yea Me to man, startin to lose it!

[PunkSkaOi]

Post "Rude Awakenings", and I'll be eternally grateful.

[wali82]

fuck the omish way of life!

[anthoneycrunch]

munson where'd i get flossin from?

[MyDadWorksAtMarcs]

@wali82 fuck you too then you ignorant fucking waste of life.

[bundespunksler]

very good band!

[skanktron69]

yo i love this band but i havent been able to find any discog or torrents or anything. that and possible dirt if you have that too

[killingtimewithyou]

they have a myspace page. i think u can also download a few of their songs as well.

[RosaPastelcakes]

i like to skank to this songggg:D

[SOHASDEAD]

never can have enough of this song.

[gloom2]

i like this band but completely disagree with like 90% of their lyrics haha. theyre right, war has never solved anything ...except fascism, communism, slavery, oppression etc

[PunkSkaOi]

Ironically, all of the things you mentioned war solved still exist. War is a result of power, plan and simple.

[Ispitonyourgrave]

one of my favorite bands.

[killingtimewithyou]

awesome video man!

[sk8erpuk12]

o wow nice vid!

[RosaPastelcakes]

i fxxken love this song;

even more the band,

[crassordie]

i got their whole discrography

if you need songs

hit me up on AIM:)

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[AalexH14]

put them on youtube, man.

[blackmistress69]

this song is fuckin incredible

[killingtimewithyou]

YA IT IS

[DEFENDERROBO]

where can i get a CD from them? every time i look up "mankind?" all i get is "extiction of mankind" or are they the same band with changed name?

[Leannarchy]

different bands. it's really hard to find music by mankind?.

[DEFENDERROBO]

i found out they have a myspace a couple of days ago. pretty kick ass

[z0tt3l]

give address please!

[allyxcali]

Try soulseek

[anarchism]

i love this song...

and fuck the army!!

[olyviax]

i love this band...i still remember when i got my first 7'...<3

[helshira]

i need more songs from this band!

[BorXoff]

just use the blogsearch (=