Missions That Changed The War- Germany's Last Ace | Premieres March 15th @ 9pm *

[Ultimatepanzer]

Man I wish the Military Channel was on FOXTEL!

[blondyboy88]

i wanna name my child gunther now 

[turkeymuncher14]

actually everything u guys have is wrong... it's 70 million deaths from stalin and 20 million from hitler.

[2cutthroatterrorist]

gary sinese we get it! Why does this commercial keep coming on?! It comes on every two minutes.

[sergiocable]

that german pilot looks like miroslav klose the soccer player.the first german that came out in the video

[sergiocable]

that german pilot looks like miroslav klose the soccer player.

[dukisu]

JAPAN US,UK GERMAN FLAG... WHERE IS THE SOVIET ONE?They didnt fight?If it wasnt for them we would be speaking german!

[Voss2120]

@dukisu If it wasn't for the US or the UK, we would all be speaking Russian. The Soviets and the humble mass murderer Joseph Stalin were no better then the Nazis, just the Soviets won, so much of their Bullshit was hush hush. Also if your a commie lover i doubt the KGB would ever allow a youtube or to express your ideals.

[dukisu]

@Voss2120 Shut up!They secrefised 27 milion people to win and US? 350000 troops 95% of german killed in is in the estern front so shut up! My contry lost 1.75 milion people ! And ofc glorious american troops won the war for everybody! omg dude... US propaganda... Do you know what is the first genocide in history?Indians in North America... Dont talk about communism you didnt live in it! I DID

[Yorsefener]

@Voss2120 you cannot possibly compare the soviets to the nazis you just can't.

sure stalin was a mass murderer and the communist rule was terrible but they don't come close to the horros the nazis have commited. just for a fair comparison:

from 1927-1954 (please forgive me if the years are wrong) is roughly 30 years stalin was a ruler and he murdered 20 million people

now, hitler killed about the same people in just 6 years.

so just think how bad it would be if the nazis won the war...

[Voss2120]

@Yorsefener Shut the hell up, i wasn't even talking to you, you little 17 year old Israeli geek. I no way DID I SAY I wanted the Nazis to win. Just was saying that nobody should be praising the Soviet Union in arrogance of their crimes. Some of them we will never know of because of the 'Iron Curtain'. Too many Communist supporters, it's like a bunch of Neo-Nazis to me.

[Yorsefener]

@Voss2120 i agree to everything except for the insults in the beginning.

you fucking retarded idiot who can't argue without trying to insult the other.

[dukisu]

@Voss2120 You know nothing about communism and you didnt live in it!BE GRATEFULL TO THE SECREFISE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE!

[Voss2120]

@dukisu Yeah, shooting your own troops in the back if they retreated was such a heroic sacrifice. You go commie!

[dukisu]

@Voss2120 GO KILL SOME INDIANS!

[Voss2120]

@dukisu I love Native Americans! They give me Casinos and nice Resorts!

[Yorsefener]

@dukisu well this show is covering the air missions in WWII...

and im sorry to tell you, the Russian air force in WWII sucked pretty damn hard, the russian planes were inferior to the nazi planes in every way. and it only begun getting victories when it was already crushed by the US and Britan...

the MIG was invted after WII unfortunatly...

[Yorsefener]

i won't watch this.

i can't possibly enjoy seeing the allies get killed by the nazis? seriously!

i don't care if the pilot is not a nazi, he is fighting in the name of sick dictator that has murdered millions of innocent people.

[wilson3a10]

@Yorsefener

I keep buying nazi's military models. Am i sick :( ?

[s020015]

@Yorsefener What if he's not a Nazi, just fighting for his fatherland? I can't enjoy such history of course, but history can be interpreted in different periods with different points of view. When we try to comment on a historic event, we should use the point of view of the people living at that period who also involved in the event.

Anyway, your point makes sense too.

Please kindly reply.

P.S. I am not a historian or a student who study history, please point out problems if there are any.

[Yorsefener]

@s020015 i just said: i don't care if he is personally a nazi or not.

he is fighting for the nazis. peroid.

he is helping them to continue holding their terrible rule over the occupied terretories, and fights in the name of hitler and the nazi ideals.

he is killing allied soldiers who are trying to libirate the oppressed occupied countries. i have no respect for this 'ace' and for that show.

just like nobody want's bin landen's ponit of view, the same should be with the nazis

[TheAwesomeBart]

@Yorsefener That he's a Nazi doesn't say he's bad. You wouldn't be very different if you look about the full story. How Hitler got power and everything. Most german's where nice young guys, who did go to a swimmingpool swam and payed nicely. He wasn't a waffen SS just a talented fighter pilot.

[Yorsefener]

@TheAwesomeBart ok this is too far.

saying that all germans are'nt nazi is is acceptble

saying that not all nazis are bad is BULLSHIT.

do you know anything about the nazi idealogy?

it's basically "kill the weak" anyone who is considered inferior by the nazi ideology was enslaved or murdered by the nazis.

all these people after swimming in their pools playing nicely would learn about how evil jews are, how russians should be ensalved.

there is no such thing as a good nazi.

pilot is ok

[TheAwesomeBart]

@Yorsefener I mean, not all the nazi knew what hitler did with the jews. WWII was build on lies and propaganda, who knows what the soldiers where told? I don't want to say that being a nazi is a good thing.. that is just bad.

[Yorsefener]

@TheAwesomeBart again, no such thing as good nazis.

good germans, there were plenty.

good nazis, NONE.

all of the nazis knew what was beign done to the jews and the others, the nazi ideology told them to kill jews and make sure the 'slavian' race is enslaved.

not all german soldiers were nazi either some were forced to go to the front and such....

[TheAwesomeBart]

@Yorsefener That's what I was trying to say. Maybe the way you say is a better way of saying, I did my best to say that not al German soldiers where bad people. Waffen SS where Nazi's. Soldiers, some of them where nazi's some of them where soldiers fighting for the wrong people.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener More accurately, he's fighting for his own country. Just like someone said that, "for your country instead of your government" If fighting for the honor of his country is as same as fighting for Nazi, I think you labeled them as Nazis. You should know that in an army, an order is an order, you have the obligation to follow the order as you are a soldier. This is an obligation, the obligation to fight for one's and one's country's honor.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Also, there is no black or white in history, just gray. You can determined it is whiter or blacker, but this depends on how you view the event. For example, an invader's country's citizens will praise for their soldiers as they are fighting for them and for their country. However, the invaded country's citizens will hate the invaders as they suffer. This depends on which side you are on.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener

Are every allied soldier really wanted to liberate? Are every Axis soldier really want to kill the innocents? There are always some exceptions. I am not promoting invading or ruling with absolute power, but I am encouraging people to view every event happened in history with different points of view.

I certainly respect your point. And I respect every single person who understand and follow their obligations and those who respect others but eventually became the victim of history.

[Yorsefener]

@s020015 i see white and black only in WWII history.

the nazis were inhuman cretures that murdered masses and enslaved them.

the allies fought to first - defend themselves and then to libirate the other nations. that is the truth.

the gray part is wether the german soldiers agreed to fight for the nazi cause.

well i respect your point too but i don't think we will agree. i hate the nazis with burning hatred and i despise anyone who agreed to serve under their banner.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener First of all, everything has a start. Why German developed such system? At the past, treaties were usually not very harsh at all. However, in the treaty of WWI, they felt unfair and developed a desire for revenge. A raging man is a lethal hostile. When you lost your mind, you do without thinking. That's how the Nazis do. They wanted REVENGE. I am not supporting dictatorship, but, if you are a German at that time, I don't think you will speak your words as previous.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Well, if there's no Nazi Germany, there will be another power that nearly rule the world. And about enslavement and massacres, I agreed, and they apologized, and for the title, we were talking about the ace. Is every Nazis a monster? What if they were forced to join the Nazi Party? You know, such time, such behavior, follow the stream, or die.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener P.S. I understand what you said and I respect your points. If there are any mistakes in my words, please point out kindly.

[Waine999]

@Yorsefener It is not about enjoying of killing. Then nobody would ever watch documents of holocaust? It is about history and how it happened.

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener A soldier follows the orders he's given, must not question it and follow it precisely. Soldiers get wounded and even give their lives without question for the politicians who want them to fight in the name of peace, patriotism, love for the nation and other bullshit. Soldiers have always been pawns, tools of war for politicians. It doesn't matter if he's a soldier of Hitler's Nazi, or Stalin's communist regime, they're all the same.

"All wars are fought for money." -Socrates

[Yorsefener]

@ExczSanityz you are right but on WWII i have to disagree.

the german soldiers might have been pawns but i small drop of decency is supposed to make them drop their weapons and quit fighting.

they fought because they wanted or at least agreed to.

pawns or not, the atrosoties that these pawns have commited in eastern europe and russia is doesn't fit in anywhere.

tools of war or not, the soldiers know what they are fighting for.

and if germans still agreed to fight. it's their fault

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener You know nothing about military conducts and warfare. It's not about what kind ideology you're fighting for, you're fighting for your nation and something a nation's leaders or government wants. You follow orders in the military, not reject them. Every soldier loves their country, they defend their country, their home, their people, the ones they love. A soldier is only following orders and fulfilling duties given to him by his superiors.

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener Every soldier, whether he is German, Russian or American loves their nation. That's why they're willing to give their lives for it. Protecting their country, and fighting it's wars is a soldiers duty, a job they had to fulfill. No soldier ever wanted war. When the Allies advanced toward Germany, no German soldier would like to see their families harmed, or the very country that nurtured them and that they had come to love. It's something people like you will never come to understand.

[Yorsefener]

@ExczSanityz i guess it is something i will never come to understand, but how do YOU understand that?

also, if i knew my country was murdereing innocent people and inslaving them for some twisted nazi ideology i would have never fought.

if i was forced to fight i would surrender as soon as possible.

why would i want to kill soldiers who are libirating the countries brutaly oppressed by my nation's leader?

following orders is not a good enough reason to be to take part in the nazis' horrors

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener Obviously you don't seem to understand why soldiers fought and died for their country. It's not a nation's fault for war, it's the ruler that rules it. It is Hitler's wish to wage war, not the soldiers and certainly not Germany's. As of your original post, this guy is not fighting for the sake of Hitler, but is fighting for the sake of defending his nation, his family, his loved ones. I don't see why you should remain posting here, you don't like it don't watch it. Fuck off kid.

[Yorsefener]

@ExczSanityz i posted here once, im replying now.

he is fighting for his nation.

his nation is murdering masses of people.

i would never fight for this nation even i was part of it.

it might not be his fault the war started, but he shouldn't contribute to his nation's atrosoties even if he is not commiting them himself.

how is he defending his loved ones? if nazi germany had surrendered his loved ones would be ok.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Like Soviet Russia raping them?

[Yorsefener]

@s020015 russians wouldn't have raped anyone if the germans didn't commit all these horrible atrosoties to the russians.

a fine example would be Finland. it was at war with russia, it surrendered even though the russians lost many soldiers.

never heard of any raping the russians have done to the finnish people

[s020015]

@Yorsefener "Revenge isn't correct, even you are rightful and righteous." Many Finnish joined the SS of Germany after the Baltic States were conquered by the Nazi. If the Russian didn't do anything, will the Finnish join the "Evil Nazi" you mentioned?

[Yorsefener]

@s020015 well after your family is going to be brutally murdrered for no real reason i want to see you then treat the killer's nation nicely... go on...

the finnish fought the russians for their own personal reasons.

call it propaganda, but i learned enough about the horros that the nazis have commited.

and their country deserved everything they got for supporting them.

i an a jew and a russian, i have every reason in the world to hate them.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener I have some Chinese friends, and they hate Militarism Japanese for their intolerable crimes during the War. They have their own reasons and you have yours. However, there's always a truth that will not change in human history, "Victors write history." Of course, what some Nazis did terrible things, but at that time, there were a system called conscription, and therefore, not everybody were desired to help the Nazis. "Everything has exceptions."

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Well, the Western governments used various media to show the evil side of Nazi Germany, of course, that's a large part of the truth, but what you cannot denied is, the Nazi Party increased the recovery speed of Germany and was able to rebuild its own army within twenty years through consolidating the link between "Pure" Germans. And one notable fact is the Germans apologized to the World for the crimes they committed while the Japanese didn't.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener You have every reason for now, is because the World isn't ruled by Nazi, the governments want us to hate Nazis as it is not democratic through a process mentioned above, propaganda. In modern education, democratic equals to good, while dictatorship equals to bad and evil. But, is every dictator evil? How about Caesar Augustus of Roman Empire? And why people never mention the Fascism Italy? They conducted a massacre in Greece and gone through the trial without any harm.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Everyone just ignore Italy, because someone's protecting it OR the Allies wanted to use the military force remaining in Italy against the Nazi Germany.

And in my earlier word, about "raping", sometimes they won't tell you.

P.S. I am not a Finnish, German, Italian, Chinese nor Japanese

[Yorsefener]

@s020015 it really was the least violent dictatorship still, propaganda or not there is nothing worse than dicatatorship. why no one judged them for what they did in greece is beyond me.

in rome was Dictatorship basically because back then, Dictatorship was everywhere, the greek 'republic' is just a catch because only the rich and powerfull got to rule.

"everthing has exceptions" i agree and i know there were soldiers who didn't want to fight.

but glorifying them is still uneeded.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener You really think there's nothing worse than dictatorship, aren't you? How about government-less society? At least in dictatorship, there will more likely to have various improvements and a degree of efficiency. Look how Germans recovered from the Treaty of Versailles, look how Chinese built up their economy in sixty years from one of the poorest to one of the richest, look how Roman Empire built up their Continent-wide empire in a notable short period.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener If you use the degree of violation to judge should it be ignored or not, then I am thinking that are you ignoring those who were killed. Why the Germans needed to be punished while the Italians or not? You may say they surrendered, but German surrendered too. You may say they surrender earlier than the other two Axis, but this was just the difference of military powers. You may say the Italians are innocent, then how about those Germans, most of them were forced to join.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener In nowadays education, the education taught us the benefit of democracy and the bad things of dictatorship, but they never try to give us a mirror, a mirror to see both the advantages and disadvantages of various systems.

One last thing, the Roman Empire were not using dictatorship, the used something called monarchy, and at that time, they had no idea what dictator was. And one more thing, the Greek Republic didn't exist at that moment, what they called is city state.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Different city states had different systems, and I think what you mentioned is Athens. Athens was the father of Democracy, what they followed was "Agree what the majority agrees". This is definitely not as same as the democracy nowadays, and in the future, maybe a century later, our offspring will say that our system is such inefficient, how non-democracy was, and if you think the system will not evolve so much, then you should re-study the history of human beings.

[Yorsefener]

@s020015 and the reson that the countries you brought up became succeful because of dictatorship is generally because they crushed the human rights of their citizens and robbed them to fill up the coffers.

that's what happened in Russia, China, Rome and more

as for Germany's need for REVENGE

russia, quit WWI and did a peace treaty with germany to stop the killing they were'nt part of the agreement to cripple germany after the war. yet they and the and others were the ones massacred in WWII

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Russia wanted to revenge for the crimes committed by Germans, a revenge. China wanted to surpass and overrun Japan because of the crimes they committed, a revenge, well, indirectly. Romans wanted to conquer the barbarians instead of be conquered as seen as the Gauls once captured Rome, another revenge.

WHAT IS HUMAN RIGHT? Those taught in school are human rights? Who gives the definition of human rights? The degree of human rights depends on different cultures, geographies, historys

[s020015]

@Yorsefener and periods of time. This is not a ROBBING, this is not about a COFFIN, this is the future of the country. Generally, they all succeeded. You may ask the governments changed rapidly, this is because they have one constant rulers, but in democracy, the people cannot fully understand and know the personality of the rulers and there are not enough time to do something that a dictator can do.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener

Russia dropped out from the war was because there was a civil war, an uprising of the Communists, and later the birth of the Soviet Russia. At that time, there's no need of revenge, as they weren't massacring each other, they just killed the uniformed and armed personnel. The Occident didn't recognize the USSR and therefore they didn't invite Lenin for the Treaty of Versailles. This is not a revenge. The only revenge is to Germany for what they did in Russia.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Have you read the novel 1984? That's a dictatorship, a very ugly dictatorship, which is worse than any other. However, how the people in the novel? They watched movies which contained bloody contents such as bombing a boat filled with children and some parts flew away. You may say that the author can control the actions, but I can tell you that "The Point of View of the Majority is the Point of View of Propaganda and Education". THERE IS NO TRUE DICTATORSHIP.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Some Philosophers of Greece, maybe Plato, suggested that everything mortals created is a imperfect version of a perfect version. Applying the view to this topic, the dictatorship is not a true dictatorship, although you can understand that it is a dictatorship-noid system, but it is de facto not a true dictatorship system.

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener This is not a documentary about you, so obviously no one's gonna give a damn about what you do. No matter what, Germany is still his country, he joined the armed forces, it's his duty. In some units you're not allowed to surrender, an example is the 6th Army at Stalingrad, they surrendered anyway. And yes the Nazis did surrender and he survived the war. What's your point making all these pointless arguments? Whose gonna give a damn about how you think about the Nazis anyway?

[Yorsefener]

@ExczSanityz well since you were argueing with me i thought you gave a damn about what i think,

if not,

then the arguement is over.

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener Let it be.

[Yorsefener]

@ExczSanityz well first of all, when germany did eventaully surrender, the killing was over. the only reason why Berlin was such a blood bath is because Germany refused to surrender.

all i can say about italy is that it should have been punished for what they did in greece, i just never heard of anything like that and second, they surrendered earier than the rest -and the killing was over.

as for dictatorship.

it is still the worst, and anarchy will naturally lead to Tyranny...

[s020015]

@Yorsefener Does Dictatorship lead to Tyranny? There's no 'if' in history.

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener First of all, you have no rights to judge if a country should be punished. I'm not supporting Dictatorship, Nazism, Communism or other ideological fuck-up. Not all German soldiers are hardcore Nazi volunteers, even many of the SS were just "conscripted" men. Thinking all Germans are Nazi bad-asses just make you look fucking stupid and dumb. You've got to be the worst Jew I've every met.

[Yorsefener]

@ExczSanityz dude, did you read ANYTHING from what i have said? looks you you haven't otherwise you wouldn't be saying this.

i said that i do understand that many of the german soldiers were not nazi and were concripts.

what i said, that is that they deserve no repect or glory like this show is giving these soldier because even if they weren't nazi, they fought for a country the murdered millions of people and enslaved them. even if he hates nazisim he is supporting it by fighting the allies

[ExczSanityz]

@Yorsefener Well, let me tell you again that no one will care what you think little boy. I think they 100% deserve what they've done for their country. If you take North Korea for example, most NKR citizens hate their government and yet NKR still has the 4th largest armed forces in the world. You're just being bias and narrow minded.

[TheNewCommissar]

@Yorsefener All countries have committed crimes during war. Should we say then that all soldiers should not be honored because of the crimes of some of their fellows? If that is the case, then we can't honor Americans because of the atomic bombs and the strategic bombing campaign, or the Brits because of the firebombing of German cities, or the Soviets for the rape and pillage of Eastern Europe at the end of WWII. Does that sound right to you? The sacrifices of all soldiers should be remembered.

[Yorsefener]

@TheNewCommissar the allies wouldn't have done their war crimes if the axis didn't do any of their own.

first of all, you cannot possibly compare the german and japanese atrosoties to the allies.

the axis sloughtered millions all in the name if their sick twisted idealogy - their sacrafice will not be honored

while what the allies, especailly the soviets done in germany was also terrible. but not nearly as much, and they did it for revenge and to put a quick end to the war.

[metsapeikkoo]

@Yorsefener

Ooooh the hypocrisy. Yeah, you totally can't compare the two when allies(soviet union) did manage to kill just 40-60 million people in Gulags. But hey, ofcourse you won't care, I mean, you won the war and all that so its totally okay to kill 40-60 million people specially when the other side did do some war crimes as well. I mean, you guys never did any warcrimes right since you were the oh so good guys.

[Yorsefener]

@metsapeikkoo first of all. just be be fair. 20 million people died in the gulags, it is still a lot but it's three times the amount you said.

second of all. these guals existed for about 70 years - all of the Soviet union's existance.

let's compare shall we:

60 million people died because of the nazis in just 6 years

20 million people died because of Stalin in 70 years.

im not saying what the soviets or what the did in germany was good. im saying that germany got what it deserved

[MarksmanNr1]

Where did you get 60 million? You have forgotten that Stalin started the WW2 with Hitler, but only germans are blamed for all the evils in the WW2! As a Finn you should have heard about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Stalin was even planning to attack against the Europe in summer 1941 ( there is plenty of evidence about this, this is not urban legend) but Hitler invaded first. When it comes to attrocities in WW2, Stalin beats even Hitler.

[Yorsefener]

@MarksmanNr1 60 million is the totall amount of deaths in WW2. Hitler was the only cuase, you simply hate russians from some reason so you decided to blame everything on stalin. not that he was a terrible person, it's just not ture

sooooo who the hell Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is the russians starting WW2? so now doing a peace treaty with a nation that would otherwise destroy you is starting a war?

stalin did prepare an invasion to germany but definetly not in 1941.

stalin got NOTHING on hitler

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener you could not be more wrong, overall deaths, including internal, external and war casualties, Stalin takes the cake every time. Turkeymuncher14 has the stats.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 stalin killed more germans than hitler killed russians...?

i am flattered...

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener In a neck and neck battle, hitler and stalin killed the same amount of russians. But overall, stalin killed more than hitler did. You should be cause obviously your looking at this from only one perspective.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 i am terribly sorry but are arguement is flawed.

stalin killed 20 million russians in the 25 years he ruled.

hitler killed 10 million russian CIVILLIANS (not inculding the soldiers) in just 2 years of occupation.

now imagine what would happen if hitler acutally defeted stalin.

so yeah.... the math is quite simple..

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener i cant understand what you meant to write in your 1st sentence. Did he defeat Stalin? No. Did Stalin kill more than Hitler? Yes. Could Hitler have killed more than Stalin? Probably. Did he? No.

Imagining and predicting is one thing. Focus on what happened and not what could've happened, cause no one really cares on things that did not happen.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 all i said was that stalin killed more russians simply because he was in control for much much longer than hitler.

hitler did more atrocoties in a span of just 2 years of occupation than stalin did in 10.

so technechly, hitler is by far worse than stalin. it's just he was defeated rather quickly unlike stalin

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener Technically*? You are changing the argument. Do not lose sight of what the argument is about, who killed more than who. Not who could've killed more. All you are doing is speculating which of course does not back your statement. Now unless you traveled to a parallel universe where Hitler survived the same amount of years as Stalin did and killed more, I would be more than happy to see the proof.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 ok here is the proof: in hitler's mein kampf (sorry if i miss-spell) and the protocols of the nazi high command they clearly stated that the lands of russia will become a land for the germans and that all the russians who are to them 'inferior race' will either become obidient slaves or starve to death.

there you go. hitler might have survived as much as stalin but he was in control of russia for just 2 years.

if he ruled for more he would obviously murdred more.

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener Ok, first Hitler never controlled Russia (USSR), only a small portion. Second, you are once again speculating, that fact is that Stalin killed more than Hitler. He could have, but he didn't. Again nobody cares whether he could have cause in the end, he didn't, Stalin did. Keep your predictions to yourself cause you, throughout this whole argument, can't prove anything with all your "if"s and "could"s. Facts are real, predictions are not.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 well we have two diffirent ways look at this.

you say that facts is what matters.

i say that a very possible future also matter.

in some way we are both right.

im just going to end the arguement with the facts that still, 10 million people killed in just 2 years. along side the 6 million jews, and countless others make hitler worse "quality" over quantity, i would somehow ironically say.

either way, stalin never did a deliberate massacre.

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener what are you talking about never did a deliberate massacre, of course he did. He killed millions of Russian who were against communism. Seriously man I'm not bashing on you or anything, but please read up from multiple books and sources, that way you could argue without making mistakes. Second, there is a fine line being deliberate and not really caring. As you may know Stalin had superior manpower against Hitler and yet he struggled against him. Why is that?

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 why is that? well that's pretty well known, stalin killed off most of his high command during those so called "purifications" in 1937 (correct me if im wrong) so stalin, just 4 years before the war against germany had an unorginzed and unprepared army...

that's ok you are not bashing me, we are having an intelligent arguement.

stalin didn't exaclty do deliberate massacre, most people who died under his rule died from stravasion because of a lack of support. not active murder.

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener Starvation and lack of support? That could be the same excuse that Hitler could've used. There wasn't enough food to feed the Jews in the camps and resources to maintain them. That's the problem though, Russia was never explored or infiltrated by the Allies during the war so almost nothing is known about it other than biased sources from the inside. Germany on the other hand, got explored and everything hidden was revealed.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 well you have a very good point. im not, by any means, saying that stalin was any good, i am just saying that hitler is worse. and for me, even though for you it might just seem like speculations.

10M murdered in 2 years > 20M murdered in 25 years.

hitler would have obviously killed many more if he actually managed defeat the soviet union.

for you, its a specualion. for me, it's a fact. especially after seeing what was done to the jews

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener How can it be a fact if it never happened. There are so many other factors that affect the prediction that you are making, which of course you are not taking into account. Let us not forget that Hitler decided to help out the incompetent Mussolini which further deteriorated his troops, supply and mechs (1941). Also another reason why Hitler was able to kill so many in such a short time was because he had the chance, he basically conquered all Europe, Stalin never had the chance.

[lubi125]

@MarksmanNr1 I understand how the USSR did to your country, and we can't say it was a great thing. But don't let your hatred (no mater how justified it is) cloud your judgement of events.

I felt a bit the same towards the Japanese people for their crimes done against the Chinese people, but I learned to forgive. We must move on with our lives, simple hatred won't get us too far.

I do agree that Stalin did give a bad name for communist >:(, still he won the in the end! (+ US and Britain)

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener no one deserves death or punishment.

[s020015]

@Yorsefener You are well-educated by various propaganda.

[xXHuginMuninXx]

@Yorsefener what do you think about soldiers shooting Palestinian kids for getting too close to a wall, destroying villages to illegally occupy their territories, and attacking with missiles the families of those who try to stand against that?

[ExczSanityz]

@xXHuginMuninXx It was Palestinian terror groups that started attacking Israel. Terror groups that send suicide bombers into Israeli malls and shopping complexes to blow themselves up. There was never a country named "Palestine" if you would spare some time to look back into history. The Hamas was harassing the Israelis by shooting rockets into Israeli territory, killing Jews etc. The kids have been given warnings, but still, you may never know if any Palestinian kid is wired to a bomb.

[Yorsefener]

@xXHuginMuninXx all i can say to that is that you are a bloody idiot.

why have you discarded the two decades of terrorism that the palestinans have unleashed upon the israelies?

how the israelies were brutally murdered simply because they were jews and how suicde bombers were something that happened almost every day...

so obviously, israel wants to defend its citizens

[bbsgt100]

@Yorsefener back int the old days empires would go against rival empires Or peaceful lands in search of treasure OR out of defence

they overran others lands, made people slaves,it was carnage.

Spanish attacked mayans, the Huns overan in asia,romans did it....... AND their soldiers fought for their king and took part in the brutality.

It's just that ww1 & 2 are detailed and recorded and people in 20th 21st century are much concerned over mass killiings.

(no offense meant).

[Yorsefener]

@bbsgt100 hmmm... there is nothing i can say to that... your arguement is flawless here :P

[verpogi17]

BEN AFFLECK IS THE REAL ACE OF WW2 AIR WAR. TOGETHER WITH JOSH HARNETT.

[FernandoHEspinoza]

@verpogi17 Hahaha that comment made me ROFL. I haven't seen that movie in so long, but looking at it from a military history point of view, it's horrendous

[Angayasse]

@FernandoHEspinoza In any point of view its horrendous:P

[FernandoHEspinoza]

@Angayasse Haha yeah no doubt. To think I actually used to like that movie when I was a kid lol.

[Waine999]

@verpogi17 But not german. In american way of history there never were a Battle for Britain.

[ExczSanityz]

The German Luftwaffe had the top 3 aces "in the history of aerial warfare" in their service....Erich Hartmann (352 kills), Gerhard Barkhorn (301 kills) and Günther Rall (275 kills) all in the famous Jagdgeschwader 52. The Luftwaffe had a total of 105 flying aces credited with over 100 kills.

[JasperJapsen]

@ExczSanityz i think kills is wrong word, you should better say shotdowns? or sth

[ExczSanityz]

@JasperJapsen Kills is the most appropriate word. It's been used since warfare took to the air.

[JasperJapsen]

@ExczSanityz Okay, then im sorry. I thought so because in german it's called Abschüsse which is neutral and not including the dead which ist included at the word "kill"

[ronmorris88]

Mw2

[WHATtheFuuuuuuu]

@ronmorris88 Real life

[ParasiteQueen1]

But this is when the V season finale comes on :s

[12valvepower1]

mein Hund hat keine Nase, wie er riecht schrecklich tut

[AzamatoTheGreat]

fucking get to Belgium !

[lhproductions00]

Come to Holland NOW!

[Terramarine1]

In Holland we dont get awsome channels like this we can see retarded stuff but we cant see stuff about history.

[Sting3733]

@Terramarine1 Why can't you see stuff about history?

[prozest]

@Sting3733 we can but it's pretty rare on Dutch TV. we have discovery channel and national geographic, but not anything that comes even close to something like Military Channel.

[Sting3733]

@prozest Oh that sucks.

[Terramarine1]

@Sting3733 In our country we got 1 history channel but we dont have the millitary channel and the rest of the channels are about stupid things like How do i become a Superstar and Retarded Reality shows.

[wilkas222]

and Lithuania...

[shahherwan93]

I hate this. It never shows in singapore :(.

[TheAwesomeBart]

@shahherwan93 and holland..

[jorrito24]

@TheAwesomeBart  poor us :(

[mryarivd]

@TheAwesomeBart ja ik wil dat dit ook in nederland komt! :D

[TheAwesomeBart]

@shahherwan93 Ik word er best wel schijtziek van dat je van alles reclame krijgt maar niet komt.. Zoals dit. 50 euro in de maand meer betalen voor een special abo voor tv betalen zeker.. NO WAY!

[shahherwan93]

@TheAwesomeBart what the german are r u talking about?

[shahherwan93]

@TheAwesomeBart i took ur word and translate on google .. it meant :

I'm getting pretty sick of that shit you get everything but advertising does not .. Like this. 50 euros a month pay more for a special pay TV subscriptions for sure .. NO WAY!

its dutch and Wie geeft een shit als het biedt me geweldig shows als deze.(got it from translate)

[TheAwesomeBart]

@shahherwan93 well google translation isn't very accurate, but you really pay 50 euro's or dollars more to watch a few more shows? But I sad that I'm getting sick of it that you only get the advertisment but not the show. I'm not going to buy for to much money new channels. Not going to happen. And what came out of you're translation was good words but a laughable sentence. :P

[TheAwesomeBart]

@shahherwan93 Forgot the think about you live in Singapore, I was a little fustrated at that moment, sorry for that.

[XvChriisvX]

i wanna see one about the red baron

[Twinkiepig]

@XvChriisvX That was my great grandfather, no joke.

[FrankieJames7]

@Twinkiepig nazi

[Dambo96]

@Twinkiepig Gunther was your Grandfather, ? I would be Honored to have him as my Grandfather !

[XvChriisvX]

@Twinkiepig hes hoss

[the45operator]

it was mine too @Twinkiepig