@J4s0nH4x good question. In my experience the second hit tends to be very slightly weaker than the first, but this is hardly noticable until you reach close to the physical limits on speed (literally when the beater has no space to rebound due to hit frequency). But it is necessary to train for consistency to get the hits even and strong.
@rubenssc I have quite big feet (46) so i think for most people this technique is learnable. Also i have learned over the years that the heel does not necessarily have to touch the footboard because the energy from your heel hitting down is transferred to the ball of your foot. Whether this is 'official' heel toe or not i don't care - it works! I have a detailed tutorial of this technique on my channel. Check it out.
@Natataek Thank you for your reply! I'm not sure about this, but if you pay attention at 0:20, you'll see that you don't touch the pedal with the heel, which is the same way the technique is known for (in theory).. At 1:10, you seem to touch the pedal with the heel, that would be an explanation of why you do that amazing constant 16ths notes.. anyway, I just wanted some clearence... Thank you!
I was seeing this video in very slow motion and I realized that at 1:10, when he's doing the 16ths notes, he isn't actually using the proper hell-toe technique, but a variation that could only be done using the heel.
The heel-toe technique doesn't need a heel nor the toe to be done, just the movement with the foot. But to keep the constant notes it is necessary to use the heel, which is a problem to people who can't fit their foot in the pedal. If @Natataek could prove me wrong I'd be glad.
@Natataek What do you do to train endurance? I've been drumming for five years and I can play as fast as you demonstrate in this video, but can only sustain a constant bass drum roll at those speeds for a few bars.
@123Dpro well here's the simple (but frustrating) answer - you literally have to do it a couple of seconds more each time. Just stretch yourself towards an ever increasing amount of bars. I can do these speeds comfortably for an indefinate amount of time; i can also go up to 50% faster, but that only lasts around of 8 bars or so, so for me that's the current stretching zone.
@Natataek also at a certain point, highter speeds cannot be reached due purely to the fact that the beater has no space to move back and forth anymore. It is at this point that buying a double pedal becomes really interesting, especially for ostinato's and different rudiments.
great foot work fast doubles are heel toe and straight bass is constant release .. lots of people use it (jojo mayer, steve smith, tim waterson) I would point you in the direction of other videos on it .. but you are obviously pretty damn killer at it
I use a different technique to play double bass on a single bass drum. Just bounce your leg really fast. It should start soft then as time goes the double bassing will get louder.
@PS3GamesProductions can i ask your honest opinion? do you think you could recreate all the above rythms with the technique you just mentioned, and if so - would you mind posting a video response showing how? thanks.
@Natataek If I had a drumset at my house I would but since I use my church's drums to play freestyle. I use my own personal technique to double bass a single bass drum set.
@PS3GamesProductions oh come on, that's a bit of a weak excuse, don't you think? Put your money where your mouth is and film it, otherwise i won't be able to believe your claim ;) plus i'm genuinely interested to see how it works...
@allmetaliswelcome my advice would be to clap 8th note triplets along with the 4/4 section (do it with the original as its slightly tighter than my attempt), you'll find that when the switch occurs, the triplet 8th's have been translated to straight 8ths in a (now slightly faster seeming, and therefore shorter) 4/4 signature. For me, that was the easiest practical way to understand it, though i suppose i ought to put it down on paper sometime to see how that ranslates theoretically.
@allmetaliswelcome I just noticed that he plays it in a 6 bar pattern, wheras i played 4 before switching back - so on paper i imagine it could be translated to 4 bars of 12/8 with accents every 8, or just increase the bpm and do 6 bars of 4/4 ;) hope this helps!
don't know if you have noticed, but the second bar of the alien hiphop transcription isn't correct. (all triplets, no 16th notes in there). anyway great technique! you should try meshuggah's bleed with one foot!
@Bowl01986 yeah, it's a minor mistake that i was aware of only after Virgil signed it for me...i didn't want to correct it after that ;P As for Meshuggah's bleed; well i have to admit my defeat - it's impossible at the speed they play it at to do it one footed, the beater simply has no time to rebound and hit again. It has driven me to buy a double pedal! I'm still using this technique to learn it, though (rr l r ll r l..) and as soon as i get it up to speed i'll post a video of it :)
Ive been looking for this a long time, ive never seen footage of single stroke fours on a single pedal like in under a glass moon..! What is your opinion on direct drive pedals? ive heard they are supposed to reduce the power, beeing bad for slide technique or in general techniques using the rebound of the pedal...
@lukashirsch Glad you found it! Check out my other videos if you like - i have a tutorial of this technique among other demos. I've never used direct drive pedals, so i'm afraid i can't give you an opinion on them. I'll definately look out for one next time i'm in a music store though - looks interesting :)
@Roger17drummer well, i'm sure something can be arranged! Als je serieus een keer les wil, moet je mij maar een privebericht sturen, dan regelen we wel wat. Maar anders heb ik ook een uitleg filmpje hier op youtube (bekijk maar mijn kanaal) en zik zal zeker nog meer filmpjes in de nabije toekomst maken. Dus als je wil, kan je abonneren ;)
@MultiWhisk I think it is similar, yes. Jojo mayer does a similar thing too at quite high speeds. The link for a tutorial is both in the description and the video - check that out to start learning it! :) Also subscribe if you wish for more vids and instructionals.
using this method, is it possible to maintain the power behind the kicks, especially at higher speeds?
J4s0nH4x 1 week ago
@J4s0nH4x good question. In my experience the second hit tends to be very slightly weaker than the first, but this is hardly noticable until you reach close to the physical limits on speed (literally when the beater has no space to rebound due to hit frequency). But it is necessary to train for consistency to get the hits even and strong.
Natataek 13 hours ago
@rubenssz sorry got your username wrong :-P
Natataek 4 months ago
@rubenssc I have quite big feet (46) so i think for most people this technique is learnable. Also i have learned over the years that the heel does not necessarily have to touch the footboard because the energy from your heel hitting down is transferred to the ball of your foot. Whether this is 'official' heel toe or not i don't care - it works! I have a detailed tutorial of this technique on my channel. Check it out.
Natataek 4 months ago
@Natataek Thank you for your reply! I'm not sure about this, but if you pay attention at 0:20, you'll see that you don't touch the pedal with the heel, which is the same way the technique is known for (in theory).. At 1:10, you seem to touch the pedal with the heel, that would be an explanation of why you do that amazing constant 16ths notes.. anyway, I just wanted some clearence... Thank you!
rubenssz 4 months ago
I was seeing this video in very slow motion and I realized that at 1:10, when he's doing the 16ths notes, he isn't actually using the proper hell-toe technique, but a variation that could only be done using the heel.
The heel-toe technique doesn't need a heel nor the toe to be done, just the movement with the foot. But to keep the constant notes it is necessary to use the heel, which is a problem to people who can't fit their foot in the pedal. If @Natataek could prove me wrong I'd be glad.
rubenssz 4 months ago
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rubenssz 4 months ago
@Natataek What do you do to train endurance? I've been drumming for five years and I can play as fast as you demonstrate in this video, but can only sustain a constant bass drum roll at those speeds for a few bars.
123Dpro 4 months ago
@123Dpro well here's the simple (but frustrating) answer - you literally have to do it a couple of seconds more each time. Just stretch yourself towards an ever increasing amount of bars. I can do these speeds comfortably for an indefinate amount of time; i can also go up to 50% faster, but that only lasts around of 8 bars or so, so for me that's the current stretching zone.
Natataek 4 months ago
@Natataek also at a certain point, highter speeds cannot be reached due purely to the fact that the beater has no space to move back and forth anymore. It is at this point that buying a double pedal becomes really interesting, especially for ostinato's and different rudiments.
Natataek 4 months ago
great foot work fast doubles are heel toe and straight bass is constant release .. lots of people use it (jojo mayer, steve smith, tim waterson) I would point you in the direction of other videos on it .. but you are obviously pretty damn killer at it
shadowlorde 5 months ago
This PS3GamesProductions and I just sent you my techniquie Of double bassing on a single bass drum its on rock band.
BOHghostman 6 months ago
@BOHghostman o.k, i checked it out - thanks for the effort, i placed some feedback underneath your video.
Natataek 6 months ago
I use a different technique to play double bass on a single bass drum. Just bounce your leg really fast. It should start soft then as time goes the double bassing will get louder.
PS3GamesProductions 6 months ago
@PS3GamesProductions can i ask your honest opinion? do you think you could recreate all the above rythms with the technique you just mentioned, and if so - would you mind posting a video response showing how? thanks.
Natataek 6 months ago
@Natataek If I had a drumset at my house I would but since I use my church's drums to play freestyle. I use my own personal technique to double bass a single bass drum set.
PS3GamesProductions 6 months ago
@PS3GamesProductions can't you film yourself practicing at church, then?
Natataek 6 months ago
@Natataek Yeah but my ipod is low on memory so its really hard to film with the ipod.
PS3GamesProductions 6 months ago
@PS3GamesProductions oh come on, that's a bit of a weak excuse, don't you think? Put your money where your mouth is and film it, otherwise i won't be able to believe your claim ;) plus i'm genuinely interested to see how it works...
Natataek 6 months ago
how does the little time signature switch thing work that you (and virgil) do, at 2:35? sounds like a group of 11/16?
allmetaliswelcome 7 months ago
@allmetaliswelcome my advice would be to clap 8th note triplets along with the 4/4 section (do it with the original as its slightly tighter than my attempt), you'll find that when the switch occurs, the triplet 8th's have been translated to straight 8ths in a (now slightly faster seeming, and therefore shorter) 4/4 signature. For me, that was the easiest practical way to understand it, though i suppose i ought to put it down on paper sometime to see how that ranslates theoretically.
Natataek 7 months ago
@allmetaliswelcome I just noticed that he plays it in a 6 bar pattern, wheras i played 4 before switching back - so on paper i imagine it could be translated to 4 bars of 12/8 with accents every 8, or just increase the bpm and do 6 bars of 4/4 ;) hope this helps!
Natataek 7 months ago
wow i use the same technique, now i know i need to practice it more!!!
squeezemylever5 8 months ago
don't know if you have noticed, but the second bar of the alien hiphop transcription isn't correct. (all triplets, no 16th notes in there). anyway great technique! you should try meshuggah's bleed with one foot!
Bowl01986 10 months ago
@Bowl01986 yeah, it's a minor mistake that i was aware of only after Virgil signed it for me...i didn't want to correct it after that ;P As for Meshuggah's bleed; well i have to admit my defeat - it's impossible at the speed they play it at to do it one footed, the beater simply has no time to rebound and hit again. It has driven me to buy a double pedal! I'm still using this technique to learn it, though (rr l r ll r l..) and as soon as i get it up to speed i'll post a video of it :)
Natataek 10 months ago
how do u do the right motions to get your foot that fast.
mike12118 10 months ago
@mike12118 check out my other video's, i have a tutorial on this technique ;)
Natataek 10 months ago
lol i can do that too but only when if im not playing drums xD this guy is awesome !
slipknotforeva1 10 months ago
OMG!!!!!!!!
hadadtamir47 11 months ago
Ive been looking for this a long time, ive never seen footage of single stroke fours on a single pedal like in under a glass moon..! What is your opinion on direct drive pedals? ive heard they are supposed to reduce the power, beeing bad for slide technique or in general techniques using the rebound of the pedal...
lukashirsch 11 months ago
@lukashirsch Glad you found it! Check out my other videos if you like - i have a tutorial of this technique among other demos. I've never used direct drive pedals, so i'm afraid i can't give you an opinion on them. I'll definately look out for one next time i'm in a music store though - looks interesting :)
Natataek 11 months ago
Holy! man... i would like a lesson in bassdrum technique from you :D Do you live in Holland?
Roger17drummer 11 months ago
@Roger17drummer thanks :) yeah i live in Apeldoorn, you?
Natataek 11 months ago
@Natataek Zoetermeer
Roger17drummer 11 months ago
@Roger17drummer well, i'm sure something can be arranged! Als je serieus een keer les wil, moet je mij maar een privebericht sturen, dan regelen we wel wat. Maar anders heb ik ook een uitleg filmpje hier op youtube (bekijk maar mijn kanaal) en zik zal zeker nog meer filmpjes in de nabije toekomst maken. Dus als je wil, kan je abonneren ;)
Natataek 11 months ago
cooooooooool
queenday15 1 year ago
@queenday15 thanks! :)
Natataek 1 year ago
is your technique very close to the steve gadd heel-toe motion? i use his technique for a samba feel but also for doubles!!!
would you have any tips on being able to get up to a fast speed like you??
MultiWhisk 1 year ago
@MultiWhisk I think it is similar, yes. Jojo mayer does a similar thing too at quite high speeds. The link for a tutorial is both in the description and the video - check that out to start learning it! :) Also subscribe if you wish for more vids and instructionals.
Natataek 1 year ago
fucking nice!! we should record some new music soon..
ThomasZwijsen2007 1 year ago
@ThomasZwijsen2007 definately! let me know when you can - i'm free most fridays and weekends ;)
Natataek 1 year ago