230 hp is actually what the neon srt4 produced... I had a 2004 and yes they are very fun to drive. But all and all they don't compare to a cobra. Sorry bud
Sigfrid..... Lmfao do you know anything what you're talking about? Even a little bit. Stock cobra yes 305 hp. That's correct. But stock srt 4 355 hp... Lmao your about 100 hp off. Wow
i just bought a 1994 Z28 ls1 6 speed w 44,800 orig miles mint condition I paid 7500 ya think i got ripped i love the car is very fast . Do you recommend any engine upgrades and what if any thanks
Well, camaro just needs a manual gearing box, the fact that i've seen only automatic camaro's makes it GG for short races. BTW any srt car would pwn that cobra
@ralatorre9 Stage 3 is stock for srt4 2006, and you are the one that started with apples to oranges, picking an srt4 to go against a v6 or v8, when there are srt6,srt8,srt10.
@sigfrid lol hp dont always matter , driver matters and power to weight if your car is a fat ass i dont car how much hp you got a guy with 100 less could come spank it and not hatin just speakin hard facts
@JimmyMcmillan hard fact : srt4 got a record of being the fastest 4 cylinder car produced serially in the world with 221 mp, stock, is not only about hp, is about a hard fact, plus i said "any srt car" that is also a hard fact, is also a hard fact that mustangs are nearly religion for some people and won't accept the fact of being defeated by a car they consider inferior.
@ralatorre9 btw, srt4 would be the slowest, i was talking of srt line in general, but you don't throw in a srt8 cuz u would say "OMG 8 CILINDERS, NOT FAIR", although engine displacement on cobra is almost twice as the displacement on the srt4
that mustang must have had a bunch of mods because CAMAROS SHIT ON MUSTANGS. i like mustang but camaros are way better. i have a 98 camaro. the guy driving the camaro wasnt giving everything that it had.
Btw that camaro hurt it's chances with that mustang by building the revs with the brake... He had the tires spinning slowly when they were starting the countdown.
timmypstyle....I know exactly what you mean for a 6cyl it's still pretty powerful and I have pulled out my fair share of other trucks and cars with it ...lol I pulled out a sherif with it yesterday because he was stuck in the median.but ya u know what you mean ...the only thing that isn't so good about my truck is for a 6 cyl it still gets bad gas milage but it's still a very reliable truck and hasn't had anything major wrong with it yet and it's @ 168,000 miles.
In his truck and it went 14.1@97mph he was fooling with alot of people at the track because the lines were wrapped in wire tubing and the solenoids were painted black also the nozzle was under the intake tubing...only a few people noticed the line going into where the shrader valve used to be....lol
@bmister50 sweet. i would love to supercharge my truck with one off an old thunderbird supercoupe. i think its an eaton m90? and i would most likely have to shell out some money to get a dyno tune written if i did it. plus buying the supercharger, plus an adaptor plate, plus most likely getting it rebuilt and installed. but for now, its not bad at all. not fast but like i said, it will hold its own
Timmypstyle.....lol I have a 4.2L f-150 also and ya it's pretty quick like you said and ya iv beaten alot of v8 trucks also (especially dodge trucks) but my buddy has an ss s-10 4.3 and he creeps away from me barely... lol but we both have trucks as our daily drivers but he has a 94 camaro z28 and I have a 90 5.0 and I got him beat there mostly because his z has alot of bolt ons and I have afr 185 heads ,cam,trick flow and too much more to name.... Btw I took my nx kit outta my car to put in hi
Ladies ladies! Quit fighting and rubbing your dicks with one another.
The real foe here is the import 4banging bitches out there driving their ugly ass old tin cans. We've got the grumble and rumble of the v8 that the ladies love.
the auto camaro were so slow, because the had the 373 rear end i believe. my m6 z28 has a 342, which gives the better accelerations. i more fair race would be the both manual cars because then it really goes to the drivers
@cheeseball247 not talkin shit just saying as it is. stock auto trans vs stock manuel trans quarter mile were pretty close 14.0 compared to 13.5 (manuel). Thats quite a difference. However when you start adding horsepower and parts it becoms clear that a better stall converter auto will not only shift faster than a manuel but will put the shifting where it needs to be. Because of this it gains on a manuel in the long run especially when around 400 horsepower. yes it is a few punds heavier but,
@cheeseball247 when it comes to dealing with large amount of horsespower 30 pounds doesnt seem to make a difference. In the bigger view you dont see many professional drag camaros running manuels because there "better", cause there not. but in your defense manuels are way funner :-). btw ive owned 3 94 red z28s in my short 5 years of driving 2 being autos and one being stick, so im confident i know what im talking about. Feel free to hit me up if you want me to explain further. camaros beat mus
@theultimatecult yeah but im saying, if you wanna get a more fair race, both cars should be auto, or both cars should be manual cuz thats a huge difference. but anyway. go chevy. and long live camaros
@CJDUBstang No. obviously you dont know enough people with cars. some just prefer to have an automatic over a stick. less maintenance, less hassle, and more reliable for dragging. and i know a guy with an 04 cobra who swapped out trannys for an automatic. so yeah, i have a clue. thanks though
FOBRA. All cobras are manuals. Reverse and 1st gear are on opposite sides of the shift pattern. The only way they would fuck that up is with an auto, so its a fake. Also I gotta call BS, because nobody that launches in reverse would be able to chirp 3 gears and shift that well.
How come Ford never had to discontinue the Mustang as GM did with the pathetic Camaro and then the entire Pontiac line? And the Oldsmobile line, and the Hummer, saturn and the Geo. Sorry guys. The Ford Mustang continues to dominate due to the FACT more people buy it for it's superior quality, looks, cost, MPG, Safety record, etc etc. I have owned Fords, GM and Mopar. Ford out does them all, but then again at least we're all buying American. No matter the brand!
that was kinda sad, the Z shoulda smoked the Tang, my buddy has a 95 Cobra an he wont run my 4.3 S10 at the track bc were even... sad i kno but... it is a ford
@grenade350 yea u right, i kno how those run, my other buddy has a 95 Z 6spd w. 4:10 gears, 3" exhaust, MSD ignition and other stuff that he wont tell ANYBODY about but it looks and sounds stock but he smokes Z06s left an right lol its funny seein a cocky ass dudde get his ass waxed by a stock soundin 95 Z28
@MrFriggoff well if you werent an ignorant dumbass u would see where i said "other stuff that he wont tell ANYBODY about" but if u wanna think its just ignition and exhaust u go right ahead an come run him, ill lay my keys down that he'll smoke anything youve got in the straits and in the curves
@CJDUBstang I do, stangs have always been over rated, the only ones that were anything decent was the Terminators and the newer Saleens an 5.0s all the rest were pretty sad until u dumped some $ into em
@mattmiller262 Stangs are overrated huh? ROFFL. Just where was GM from 2002-2010 in the pony car segment. Oh that's right, they had car so carppy, no one would by them any more. Talk about sad., The mustang is a far higher quality, more liveable car, and they are made fast fuckin easy.
@CJDUBstang discontinuing a car doesn't mean it was crappy... Was the Mercury Marauder crappy? the Thunderbird? the GT supercar? the Cobra hardly ever broke 10,000 sales... far less than f-bodys. But obv it's not bc "no one would BUY them"
"Talk about sad," I suggest you open your mind to finding things to like about cars even when you prefer an alternative. Just bashing Camaros is immature and marks you as someone not to be taken seriously
@grenade350 lol you're a fucking idiot. I asked "WHERE WAS THE CAMARO 2003-2010?" The decided they wouldn't build a car nobody was buying. How fucking hard is that to understand? This was the strategy of GM until Bumblebee came out.
@CJDUBstang Thanks for repeating your dumb question, I had forgotten that questions get less dumb when repeated. If no one was buying them in 2002, why do I still see '02s around? and if that was their strategy till Bumblebee (I assume you mean when the first Transformers movie showcased the Camaro Concept) then why on Earth did they go to the trouble of getting the similar GTO here?
Every comment on this video directed at you says it all: you're the misinformed one here, pal.
@grenade350 The trouble of getting the GTO...lol you mean shipping a rebage of a car engineered 3 years earlier and already in production. Yes that sounds very fucking hard. They needed something to compete in the "mustang segment" since their FWD SC V6 and V8 cars were fucking garbage.
@CJDUBstang I think you should stop embarrassing yourself and actually use the Internet- look stuff up before you say things that, if true, MAY enhance your argument. The GTO's home-market car, Holden Monaro, was actually designed sometime in the late '90s. Dunno why it matters though. Secondly, apparently you know nothing of getting cars safety- and emissions-certified for mass importation. It's a headache. Next, duh, the Grand Prix GTP et al were never meant to compete with the Mustang..
@41stuka dont forget to establish mustangs were ford's answer to the vette...til the camaro came out and ford decided to compete with the slower car...because the vette was blowing its doors in then they had to supercharge to deal with the vettes NA engine and then brag about it when they ran the 1/4 in like .2 seconds quicker..
@timmypstyle I'm sorry but you're incorrect. Why would Ford start competing with the camaro three years later??? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You really think Ford would just say "hey lets compete with the slower one". If you believe that then your a tool. Chevy wouldn't even say that. The Mustang and Camaro were both considered pony cars. That is why Chevy developed the Camaro 3 years later. Please read a book!
The Corvette was never considered to be in this class.
@41stuka was on a car show i watched. the vette had a 6 cylinder in it and so did the stang. then they both were getting V8s and the vettes was better and faster. then the camaro came out and the mustang was closer in speed to it so thats what they competed with while the vette just kept getting faster and eventually wasnt even in the same class. yes they were pony cars but they were muscle cars also. the vette was considered muscle then moved to exotic after awhile. cant remember the show tho.
@timmypstyle and Ford never started supercharging their Mustangs until 2003. Before thet they had a turbocharged 4 cylinder fox body(SVO). Besides the Vette has a higher displacement so instead of Ford making their cars less gas efficient they super charger a smaller V8 to compete. What is your point!?!? because your narrow minded and think if it isn't built to your liking it isn't fast or respectable??? I respect Chevy! I just don't respect you idiots that give Chevys a bad name. so please STFU
@CJDUBstang just fyi...GM killed the camaro and firebird on their own by accident. they underrated the engines in the f bodies to promote corvette sales. 97 LS1 vette rated 350hp...98 f-body rated 305...they rated the engines lower so more people would by the vette when in reality they were very close in power. all it would take is not even another $1000 spent on an f-body to make it just as fast as a car that was over 10k more. not arguing, its just the facts.
@timmypstyle keep dreaming bud. the ls1 vette engine is not the same as the LS1 f-body. Also "they killed the f-body accidentally" is pure fantasy. You can't "accidentally" kill car sales by underrating an engine. It got killed because its a terrible automobile The Terminator is underated by about 25 hp and the ford GT by maybe 40hp. Even the new 5.0 has been underrated by around 10hp, yet all turned out to be strong sellers.
@CJDUBstang The LS1 engines in the Vette and the F-body are essentially the same with minor differences. The Vette has coil covers, different exhaust manifolds and alternator mounted high on the left side needing a remote power steering reservoir. The Vette LS1 has a slightly different camshaft profile allowing the engine to meet emissions requirements w/o using an EGR valve. The F-body has exposed coils and the alternator mounted on the left side below the power steering pump. want the link?
@timmypstyle and also your logic is crappy. the vette and camaro were closely priced and they wanted to sell more of the more expensive one..so they made the rating less on the f body so people would buy vettes. thats why f body sales went down. but also you cant back up what you say and plus you were wrong right off the bat...and cars are underrated usually for insurance purposes also...thats what they did with the cas in the 60s a lot and they still do it. GM screwed themselves...thats all.
@timmypstyle yah so having those differences makes them the same. yah and cam profile and manifolds don't effect the output at all. Jesus you're right! lol fucking idiot. Your argument was that they are close in power. But that's fucking fantasy considering the vette's differences. You can't just go out and claim to have a vette engine and its hp. That's like claiming to have a cammed car when you don't, same shit.
@CJDUBstang yeah a SLIGHTLY different cam profile wont give you much.....one that is a lot more aggressive will give you a lot...but its not more aggressive.....its a different cam to meet EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.....remember what that means for engines???? they have the SAME FUCKING ENGINE with SLIGHT DIFFERENCES....its in black and white...i can send you the link which by the way...my last post was an edited quote since the whole quote wouldnt fit in the writing box on here.
@CJDUBstang yeah a SLIGHTLY different cam profile wont give you much.....one that is a lot more aggressive will give you a lot...but its not more aggressive.....its a different cam to meet EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.....remember what that means for engines???? they have the SAME FUCKING ENGINE with SLIGHT DIFFERENCES....its in black and white...i can send you the link which by the way...my last post was an edited quote since the whole quote wouldnt fit in the writing box on here.
@CJDUBstang yeah a SLIGHTLY different cam profile wont give you much.....one that is a lot more aggressive will give you a lot...but its not more aggressive.....its a different cam to meet EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.....remember what that means for engines???? they have the SAME FUCKING ENGINE with SLIGHT DIFFERENCES....its in black and white...i can send you the link which btw my last post was an edited quote since the whole quote wouldnt fit in the writing box on here.
@CJDUBstang it says SLIGHTLY different cam profile to MEET EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS...when emissions are put on vehicles...it usually doesnt make them more powerful...and the stock f body was 305hp..then 325 with ram air...they were underrated and also slightly different than the vette. its the same engine with slight differences. i mean come on...the 3rdc major difference was the alternator location...there wasnt a whole lot changed.
@timmypstyle Sure. Bud, its probably too easy to go around telling everybody your beat to shit camaro has a "corvette engine".
Clown. everybody and their mom knows the Vette and GTO LS1s have more cam, better intake and timing, than the 98-02 f-bodies. You can't call them the same engine just cause they have "in your opinion", a couple changes. I becha half these LS1 owners are putting them on a dynoject besides...lol massively inflated, uncorrected numbers. Nice try though.
@CJDUBstang um. first of all...the info i gave wasnt my opinion. i said i could give you the link. 2nd the GTO was made AFTER the camaro was discontinued. the cars get the same engine. its a code...LS1 and LT1 are not the same engines but everything they put them in was the same. the vette, f bodies and impala SS had the LT1 and they were all the same. usually what makes the difference is the intake, exhaust, and tuning. dude just go to wikipedia and type in LS1 and read.
@timmypstyle ok i can't believ you are stupid enough to say the LS1 and LT1 are remotely the same. Go dyno a stock 01-02 camaro on a msuatng dyno, then the same with a vette and tell me what happens.
@CJDUBstang NO, the LS1s in the vettes and LS1 f bodies are almost the same. and the LT1 vettes and LT1 f bodies being almost the same. not LTs and LSs being the same. and if you dyno them you will most likly see about a 25hp-40hp difference. what i am saying is the intake and exhaust are higher flow along with a better tune on the vette to increase the power. and the f-bodies can easily match that power within the $15k price difference. GM got more money per car that way but lost f-body sales.
@CJDUBstang oh and by the way...the GTO only had the LS1 for 1 year. and the vette and GTO had a different intake(LS6) which proves what i said. it wasnt opinion, its fact. your just to stupid and ignorant to get over yourself and think you know everything. love it when people argue with something even when they are proven wrong over and over again. so thanks for the entertainment. have fun with your crappy mustangs which were a joke except for the 60s.
@CJDUBstang oh...IF you went to wikipedia this is what you would see since i know you wont actually research it since your the usual youtube know-it-all. This is copied and pasted straight from wikipedia--"The LS1 was rated at 350 hp (260 kW) and 365 lbf·ft (495 N·m) since 2001 (LS6 Intake), 1997-2000 350 lbf·ft (470 N·m) in North America, depending on the application. The LS1 was used in the Corvette from 97-04. It was also used in GM F-Body cars with a rating of 305HP - 325HP."
@timmypstyle lol that's a pretty vague description and doesn't cover differences, including cam. Its written to look like that are the same but with different ratings. BS. You GM guys need to stop lying about this underrating and put one of those 01-02 cars on a REAL fucken dyno and you'll see truth compared to a Vette LS1...All these idiots with their "300rwhp stock" are measuring on a frigging Dynojet. Put that shit on a mustang dyno and the true reading is around 280rwhp..or about 320hp.
@CJDUBstang doesnt cover differences...um..i ALREADY told you the differences...coil covers, cam profile tfor emissions...and alternator in a different location...and either way...if it really IS 280rwhp stock....isnt that just a TINY bit more than a stock GT? oh...yeah its actually MORE at the wheels than a GT is at the ENGINE....why dyno on a mustang dyno? because they are only made to read up to 300hp or something since GTs were 265hp for so long?
@timmypstyle 05-08 mutangs are around 265-270rwhp stock. Or 300hp for you retard. 280rwhp is where LS1 are at with the 280-265 or 70 is 10-15rwhp. Mine is 286rwhp. Yes with tune up to 91 octane + muffler the mighty engineering hp of the LS1 is ovecome. lol Doesn't the LS1 come with premium only? As for dynos. If you quote a dynojet hp, you're a fucking tool.
@CJDUBstang stock 05 GTs were 300hp at crank. and yes it is premium only but thats what my 96 TA said too but i had to run 87 the first fill up and it was fine. and you are saying that your modded mustang is better than a STOCK LS1...nope. remember a little thing called torque? kinda need that too and thats where the 4.6 falls short. and why compare a modded stang to a stock LS1? because you NEED to mod it to compare them...mod the LS1 with the same mods and youll see taillights...AGAIN....
@timmypstyle tune to the same gasoline as the ls1 and different muffler is not exactly a boatload of mods. lets not forget the camaro was always alot more expensive than the GT anyway. Not that they built a camaro in 2005 of course...but the car that replaced it was way more expensive (GTO) lol. Save the cash money for two little mods and the rest on all the hoes you're gonna get riding in a legit ride vs a warmed over sunfire or POS camaro.
@CJDUBstang dude...grenade schooled you. lol warmed over sunfire...too bad the GTO or holden monaro has been made for over 10 years in austrailia and was rebadged to a GTO. and the GTO was actually more powerful but slower than a stock LS1 camaro SS because it weighed so much. and mustang being a fast car right out of the box...compared to a cavalier yes but also remember the fox body is pretty much the most genaric looking car ever made with a 5.0 dropped in. 60s are the only cool stangs.
@CJDUBstang and by the way. used to beat GTs all the time in my stock auto 96 TA. raced 2 at the same time in fact. both were 02 GTs and one pulled into the turn lane to race me and the other stang. had them both by over 2 cars by the time i got thru the intersection and at 80mph i was over 10 cars ahead. then the next stop light one of them raced me again with the same results. also raced a 1st gen STI from a 50roll and beat it. i never lost and only 1 car got me off the line and it was a VR-4
@timmypstyle You want a medal? You beat cars with 25 less hp and a litre less displacement. Why not a 96 cobra bitch-ass? A litre less displacement but more hp. Sounds fair to me.
@CJDUBstang there you go again...a MODDED mustang beating a STOCK LS1...yes i know they are SCed from the factory but thats what you have to do to a stang to make it be able to beat the competition. fords solution is to supercharge something, then brag about it being faster than a NA vehicle. f150 lightning vs SRT10 ram...cobra vs f bodies and vette...list goes on...its like an STI....without boost its nothing. same with the stang...
@timmypstyle lol GM guys still butt hurt after all these years that ford made a killer car out of the box, that rendered the f-body irrelvant once and for all. The Zr1 corvette is supercharged to keep up with Viper, GTR ain't it? And ZL1 with gt500. Fucking hypocrite. Lemme give you a history lesson arsehole: the Cobra R is only 5.4L and 400hp. The only reason this was not carried though for the 2003 cobra is capacity and cost. It was more practical for ford to build a SC motor. Period.
@CJDUBstang lol ONLY a 5.4L. and 400hp...not without boost it aint. so ad a SC on the camaro's 5.7L. and get over 400hp. And your words are that it was practical for them to use a SCed 5.4L, thats because they cant make power out of NA engines. thank you for proving my point. and by the way im on my 8th vehicle and 4 were fords...78 5.8L f150, 97 2.3L ranger, 04 4.2L f150 heritage, 08 4.2L f150(now). also had a 86 5.0L chevy C10(hated it), 90 3.3L 5th ave., 89 2.8L firebird and 96 5.7L trans am.
@timmypstyle Hey you stupid idiots have not heard of a Cobra R. Its normally aspirated you fucking jerkoff. Also Ford of Australia regularly makes 5.4L motors with 380-430hp, ALL MOTOR. The SC route was a practical one due to capacity and cost. So they supercharged the 4.6. smart guy. You guy probably heard but ford was selling about 700,000 5.4L per year no plant capacity to make 10,000 N/A 5.4 cobras so they made it limited.
@CJDUBstang dude, just stop. nobody cares or believes what you say after you compared a GTO to a sunfire...so have fun with your torqueless mustang. this conversation has gone way beyond the normal "mustang guy" vs "gm guy" norm. everyone likes their own vehicle and everyone has their own taste, which is the whole point of car manufacturers making more than one car. i hate mustangs, but if i got beat by one i wouldnt be complaining about it, just happens i never did so to me they are slow.
@timmypstyle You really haven't lost to a mustang? What do you have a trans am, camaro, corvette? Which will it be? I'll show you just what a LOSSSSS feels like.
@MrClutch1999 had a 96 T/A. was an auto(too tall to drive stick in that car) and only mod was a K&N drop-in. i raced 2 02 GTs at the same light, also a cobra with at least an exhaust, not sure of year. was the style from 93-97 or whatever. it had the horizontal tails. and my buddy has a 95 5.0 GT convertable which had intake, exhaust, and 4.10s when we raced. i had the TA 7yrs ago. now have an 08 V6 f150 with intake and custom tuned SCT X3. its not fast but has beaten a lot of V8 trucks tho.
@timmypstyle Trans ams aren't bad, but if you decide to go with another one, get an 01-02 ws6, those were the better ones. Either way, you must have modded it quite a bit. On the other hand, if I were to get a truck, I wouldn't go with anything other than a lightning. Trucks are effin clean.
@MrClutch1999 they are my favorite cars. had a 89 firebird V6 and my 96 trans am. if i got another one it would be a 99+..never get the first year for an engine or design change. too risky for bugs and flaws in the vehicle. and yes a lightning would be awesome. only crappy thing is that they are all autos. would love a 5spd or a 6 spd in one if i had one.
@CJDUBstang im just gonna jump into this arguement, my trans am is a badass car, and looks way better then any stang out there.
when the stangs had to use a sc to keep pace with my trans am, i laugh, even if they barely beat me. my cars got way more displacement then they do, and still can be forced inducted.
yes the ls1 is underated but i personally dont give a shit when im gonna drop the bigger scarier and more powerful 6.2l ls3 in her. also how is building a sc more practical then a 5.7l
@xyzdorky66 Like the other guy- Don't speak unless you're spoken to. Ford built a 5.4L N/A with 400hp looong before they were supercharging. It destroys the 5.7 LS1 bs making the same power as a LS6. How bout dat? They made the decision to use the more common 4.6 block and SC it, due to production line demands on the 5.4. The 5.4 was also more expensive to make than a SC 4.6. If you want to make up an alternate history of Ford SVT, please go right ahead. This "had to use a SC" is getting old.
@xyzdorky66 The LS6. A motor handbuilt by GM. With 3rd party race parts. With 400hp. Is a terrible motor? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...Adults are talking. Go lay down and lick your nuts.
@timmypstyle lol sti's are slow as snail shit without boost,
imo theres no replacement for displacement, and when our friends with turbos and superchargers start keeping pace with us all we have to do is throw on a twin turbo kit and boom were pushing way more power then they ever will.
when i hear people bitch about a honda being faster i ask why do they put v12 na's in lambos and ferrari's?
cause they get more power, a twin turbo v12 is scary shit
@xyzdorky66 i agree. EXCEPT..what of the W16 veyron? 4 turbos and only 1001hp. a supra can get over 1000 with a single or twin turbo. altho i am sure a veyron would still smoke a 1000hp supra. not arguing with you, just saying that sometimes even boosting things doesnt always mean huge power. and boosting a mustang still makes a shitty car. except for the 60s, stangs suck. 265hp til 2005. so someones 2004 GT still produced less hp and torque than a 1993 camaro. thats sad. what year is your TA?
@xyzdorky66 i agree. EXCEPT..what of the W16 veyron? 4 turbos and only 1001hp. a supra can get over 1000 with a single or twin turbo. altho i am sure a veyron would still smoke a 1000hp supra. not arguing with you, just saying that sometimes even boosting things doesnt always mean huge power. and boosting a mustang still makes a shitty car. except for the 60s, stangs suck. 265hp til 2005. so someones 2004 GT still produced less hp and torque than a 1993 camaro. thats sad. what year is your TA?
@CJDUBstang the fbody engine is almost identical the the LS1 in the vette. please refrain from talking about things you know jack shit about, dumb fuck
@cliffabrown So you guys can go around hollering "this shits got a vette motor" Fraid not arsehole. So why is the Vette 350hp and the Camaro only 320hp MAXIMUM? And don't tell me "underrated". That's a myth that already been disporven by a mustang dyno over and over and over.
@CJDUBstang a simple google search will show you- Corvette vs F-body LS1: -exact same heads -exact same block -exact same crank/rods/pistons -exact same intake manifold -slightly different cam specs (negligible) -different shaped oil pan -different serpentine belt pulley layout vette also has different exhaust...sounds like the same fucking engine, just slightly modified for a different platform. the more you post the less like you sound like you know what you're talking about
@need2speed94 yes. the vette had the LT1 from 92 to 96 and the LS1 started in 97. the vette got the engines the year before the F bodies got them. f bodies started getting the LT1s in 93 and the LS1 in 98 with the design change
@need2speed94 i was argueinhg with CJDUB about it. i know they are the same motors, he was arguing that they werent even close to the same. even after giving him the differences he still was arguing. its ok tho, hes probably just mad because the 4.6 in the mustang and the 4.6 2v in the f150 are pretty much the same situation as the LT1 applications lol
@CJDUBstang lololololololol, mustang is a poor mans sports car my guy there are about 50:1 more mustangs than camaros, and plus i think i would take a 5.7 over a 4.6, 4.9, or a 5.0 any day lmao Chevy is the way to go if u want power
@Mr77monte Who cares now days who has more power, especially when the 2011 5.0 is making 412hp. All the competition has at least 400+ hp from the factory. The Challenger, Camaro and Mustang. The new 5.0 runs great and is significantly smaller than the competetion. That just means Ford has better engineering than the rest. They need bigger displacement to get the power they need. For the record I love beating higher displacement cars with my little 4.6 Cobra. It happens all the time my friend :)
@mattmiller262 I disagree the terminator cars were rated @ 390hp and I have personally seen 3 on the dyno BONE STOCK and all put down between 415 and 425 to the wheels, foxes owned the iroc cars, if ya think about it in the last 30 years the camaro has really only bested the stang for the 93-02 years. starting with the 03 terminator and going up to the newest gt500 super snake the vette is a better match for the top line stangs.
@z1kstunna i love stangs but hate to rain on your parade..... whatever dyno your looking at is WAYYY Off. cause by your logic a STOCK 03 cobra is putting out 460ish at the crank??? lmfao sorry bro.... but never in your life have you seen a stock 03 cobra put down 425 to the wheels.... let alone 3 of em
@z1kstunna How do you gain from a parasitic loss. How do you go from 390hp from the crank to 415-425 rwhp? If you know how then you might wanna get with NASCAR or Formula 1 because you be making bank.
I dont get why is always the fighting vs Mustang and Camaro fans, you guys are a bunch of inmature idiots, i love both Camaros/Birds and Mustangs they are both american muscle cars , if ur gonna hate towards a car hate toward some import or something.
Of course the Cobra is going to win. 3.73s in the Cobra vs the stock 2.73s in the Camaro gives the Cobra a much faster launch. So he'll have the lead off the bat. Stick 3.73s in the Camaro and it'll be a much more even match.
@jasmin22cano What's it matter? I doubt a stock 98 Z28 would be that Cobra he beat the LT1 by a large gap. I have never been beat that bad by a LS1 period.
even if the stock f body in its best day with the best driver and the record it happened once, not constantly will they run 12's mid 13's all day though. i just ran both the cobra and the sti over the week end for a test and tune. cobra 10.79 @ 129 and the sti 13.49 @109 it would be close on the sti but the real question is can you hook up BlackBirdv6. if its a race meet me at maple grove PA iam there every Saturday from 12 to 4 for test and tune then you can youtube a real race
230 hp is actually what the neon srt4 produced... I had a 2004 and yes they are very fun to drive. But all and all they don't compare to a cobra. Sorry bud
shooter89 4 days ago
Sigfrid..... Lmfao do you know anything what you're talking about? Even a little bit. Stock cobra yes 305 hp. That's correct. But stock srt 4 355 hp... Lmao your about 100 hp off. Wow
shooter89 4 days ago
man i love the look of camaro but mustang killed that one choices choices lol
JimmyMcmillan 1 week ago
i just bought a 1994 Z28 ls1 6 speed w 44,800 orig miles mint condition I paid 7500 ya think i got ripped i love the car is very fast . Do you recommend any engine upgrades and what if any thanks
waters65 3 weeks ago
@waters65 lol ripped .....
Fire1996Bird 1 week ago
Well, camaro just needs a manual gearing box, the fact that i've seen only automatic camaro's makes it GG for short races. BTW any srt car would pwn that cobra
sigfrid 1 month ago
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ralatorre9 1 month ago
@ralatorre9 Cobra 4.6L 305 HP,neon srt4 stage 3 (2.4L) 355 HP, so yes, the neon wins.
sigfrid 1 month ago
@sigfrid Did you just compare a stage modified srt4 against a stock n/a cobra? A stock srt4 doing 221mph...
Apples to Oranges, an educated debate is clearly un-achievable here.
When reasonable people compare; it's looking at stock measurements. Anyone can modify a car.
ralatorre9 1 month ago
@ralatorre9 Stage 3 is stock for srt4 2006, and you are the one that started with apples to oranges, picking an srt4 to go against a v6 or v8, when there are srt6,srt8,srt10.
sigfrid 1 month ago
@sigfrid lol hp dont always matter , driver matters and power to weight if your car is a fat ass i dont car how much hp you got a guy with 100 less could come spank it and not hatin just speakin hard facts
JimmyMcmillan 1 week ago
@JimmyMcmillan hard fact : srt4 got a record of being the fastest 4 cylinder car produced serially in the world with 221 mp, stock, is not only about hp, is about a hard fact, plus i said "any srt car" that is also a hard fact, is also a hard fact that mustangs are nearly religion for some people and won't accept the fact of being defeated by a car they consider inferior.
sigfrid 1 week ago
@ralatorre9 btw, srt4 would be the slowest, i was talking of srt line in general, but you don't throw in a srt8 cuz u would say "OMG 8 CILINDERS, NOT FAIR", although engine displacement on cobra is almost twice as the displacement on the srt4
sigfrid 1 month ago
@ralatorre9 not strange though, srt4 to 2006 was the fastest 4 cylinders car ever made, with the average speed of 221 mph
sigfrid 1 month ago
Ohh!!! sorry he was just trollin!! My bad .
chemostrincougar 1 month ago
da fuck? how can you put it in reverse ? its a damn t5!! WTF
chemostrincougar 1 month ago
He must have had it in R for race ahaha
KMScarboy 1 month ago 7
that mustang must have had a bunch of mods because CAMAROS SHIT ON MUSTANGS. i like mustang but camaros are way better. i have a 98 camaro. the guy driving the camaro wasnt giving everything that it had.
mrbeastmode32493 1 month ago
@mrbeastmode32493 Yea I love stangs but the Camaros of the 90's were mean! My buddy has a '94 Z28. I love that car haha
thunderbirdlver 1 month ago
LMFAO, this is really funny! Surprised more people don't have a sense of humor about it.
kbreese72 2 months ago
FORD says goodnite
70Nightmare 2 months ago
Ford doesnt need cubic inches.
NightGod07 2 months ago
im all camaro but when a mustang wins it wins, the reverse part was funny.
ElVatoVerga 2 months ago
This Motahrfuker Is A Idiot Who gave him a car Doesnt Even Know the difference between Drive and Reverse Fuck Face
Sns4life89 2 months ago
@Sns4life89 Ah this from and "Idiot" with no vids of his own... whats with all the capitals tough guy?
1WLDBRD 2 months ago
@Sns4life89 considering the fact that no Cobras' were automatics, I'd say you're also an idiot.
nbm2000ws6 1 month ago
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AnimeGod1990 3 months ago
Is that all that was done to the cobra was gears and cats
xtreme3484 3 months ago
nice poking humor at yourself, well done. as a 95 Z28 T56 pilot, all i acn say is ouch...
mloaks 3 months ago
COW
TheRickRod 3 months ago
ford all the way nukka
loodie07 3 months ago
FORD!!!!!!!!
3rdkoast4life 4 months ago
i hate fords
biginerartist 4 months ago
The was a lack of smart in this video.
ybafool2 4 months ago
douchebags all of em
MrJasonz28 4 months ago
a REAL driver wouldn't leave it in reverse. damn idiot
StevesChillin87 4 months ago
Btw that camaro hurt it's chances with that mustang by building the revs with the brake... He had the tires spinning slowly when they were starting the countdown.
bmister50 4 months ago
timmypstyle....I know exactly what you mean for a 6cyl it's still pretty powerful and I have pulled out my fair share of other trucks and cars with it ...lol I pulled out a sherif with it yesterday because he was stuck in the median.but ya u know what you mean ...the only thing that isn't so good about my truck is for a 6 cyl it still gets bad gas milage but it's still a very reliable truck and hasn't had anything major wrong with it yet and it's @ 168,000 miles.
bmister50 4 months ago
In his truck and it went 14.1@97mph he was fooling with alot of people at the track because the lines were wrapped in wire tubing and the solenoids were painted black also the nozzle was under the intake tubing...only a few people noticed the line going into where the shrader valve used to be....lol
bmister50 4 months ago
@bmister50 sweet. i would love to supercharge my truck with one off an old thunderbird supercoupe. i think its an eaton m90? and i would most likely have to shell out some money to get a dyno tune written if i did it. plus buying the supercharger, plus an adaptor plate, plus most likely getting it rebuilt and installed. but for now, its not bad at all. not fast but like i said, it will hold its own
timmypstyle 4 months ago
Timmypstyle.....lol I have a 4.2L f-150 also and ya it's pretty quick like you said and ya iv beaten alot of v8 trucks also (especially dodge trucks) but my buddy has an ss s-10 4.3 and he creeps away from me barely... lol but we both have trucks as our daily drivers but he has a 94 camaro z28 and I have a 90 5.0 and I got him beat there mostly because his z has alot of bolt ons and I have afr 185 heads ,cam,trick flow and too much more to name.... Btw I took my nx kit outta my car to put in hi
bmister50 4 months ago
Ladies ladies! Quit fighting and rubbing your dicks with one another.
The real foe here is the import 4banging bitches out there driving their ugly ass old tin cans. We've got the grumble and rumble of the v8 that the ladies love.
Cut it out girls and be happy!
ralatorre9 4 months ago
Wow!
ELKOBRA03 5 months ago
the auto camaro were so slow, because the had the 373 rear end i believe. my m6 z28 has a 342, which gives the better accelerations. i more fair race would be the both manual cars because then it really goes to the drivers
cheeseball247 5 months ago
@cheeseball247 not talkin shit just saying as it is. stock auto trans vs stock manuel trans quarter mile were pretty close 14.0 compared to 13.5 (manuel). Thats quite a difference. However when you start adding horsepower and parts it becoms clear that a better stall converter auto will not only shift faster than a manuel but will put the shifting where it needs to be. Because of this it gains on a manuel in the long run especially when around 400 horsepower. yes it is a few punds heavier but,
theultimatecult 5 months ago
@cheeseball247 when it comes to dealing with large amount of horsespower 30 pounds doesnt seem to make a difference. In the bigger view you dont see many professional drag camaros running manuels because there "better", cause there not. but in your defense manuels are way funner :-). btw ive owned 3 94 red z28s in my short 5 years of driving 2 being autos and one being stick, so im confident i know what im talking about. Feel free to hit me up if you want me to explain further. camaros beat mus
theultimatecult 5 months ago
@theultimatecult yeah but im saying, if you wanna get a more fair race, both cars should be auto, or both cars should be manual cuz thats a huge difference. but anyway. go chevy. and long live camaros
cheeseball247 5 months ago
Camaros r lik tampons. Pussys hav them
preppydiaz123 5 months ago
@preppydiaz123 funny how most mustang drivers I seen are woman lmao
GodschildJCE 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang No. obviously you dont know enough people with cars. some just prefer to have an automatic over a stick. less maintenance, less hassle, and more reliable for dragging. and i know a guy with an 04 cobra who swapped out trannys for an automatic. so yeah, i have a clue. thanks though
TheDarkChi 5 months ago
Nice! This is a race I think I can actually win. HEHE
MrHotrodlincoln 6 months ago
you can swap in an automatic transmission in place of a manual you fools.
TheDarkChi 6 months ago
@TheDarkChi BS bud. you have no clue. the only guys putting in autos are guys with 10 or 11s cars. Nice try tho.
CJDUBstang 6 months ago
FOBRA. All cobras are manuals. Reverse and 1st gear are on opposite sides of the shift pattern. The only way they would fuck that up is with an auto, so its a fake. Also I gotta call BS, because nobody that launches in reverse would be able to chirp 3 gears and shift that well.
burninrock24 6 months ago
Camaro was an automatic 4 spd
713slipkn0t713 6 months ago
every cobra is manual if its auto its a fake
1truesf49er 6 months ago
what an idiot he was ptroblably scared of the camaro
305camarman 6 months ago
He had it in B the second time, for BLOW past you!
sabbath178 6 months ago
Do all mustang owners launch in reverse? lol
MasonJenn 6 months ago
lol i was gonna say you were a dumbass starting in reverse but you redeemed yourself, you drive pretty well.
sk8er8920 6 months ago
HAHA NOO HE HAD IT IN REVERSE! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!
raulred93 6 months ago
How come Ford never had to discontinue the Mustang as GM did with the pathetic Camaro and then the entire Pontiac line? And the Oldsmobile line, and the Hummer, saturn and the Geo. Sorry guys. The Ford Mustang continues to dominate due to the FACT more people buy it for it's superior quality, looks, cost, MPG, Safety record, etc etc. I have owned Fords, GM and Mopar. Ford out does them all, but then again at least we're all buying American. No matter the brand!
ROBBY639 6 months ago
hahahahahaa LOL
tuneredition 6 months ago
fucking retard! dont drive stick anymore
smtimmy72 6 months ago
he sure made up for it....
FastNewEdge 7 months ago
I think he was going for a back to the future 3 reference. He didn't want to race bc it'd fuck up his future
grenade350 7 months ago
that was kinda sad, the Z shoulda smoked the Tang, my buddy has a 95 Cobra an he wont run my 4.3 S10 at the track bc were even... sad i kno but... it is a ford
mattmiller262 7 months ago
@mattmiller262 I think the Cobra was manual and the Z was an auto... it makes a big difference. I'd like to race that Cobra with my 6-speed 95 Z
grenade350 7 months ago
@grenade350 yea u right, i kno how those run, my other buddy has a 95 Z 6spd w. 4:10 gears, 3" exhaust, MSD ignition and other stuff that he wont tell ANYBODY about but it looks and sounds stock but he smokes Z06s left an right lol its funny seein a cocky ass dudde get his ass waxed by a stock soundin 95 Z28
mattmiller262 7 months ago
@mattmiller262 3 inch ex/msd ignition massive hp omg!
MrFriggoff 6 months ago
@MrFriggoff well if you werent an ignorant dumbass u would see where i said "other stuff that he wont tell ANYBODY about" but if u wanna think its just ignition and exhaust u go right ahead an come run him, ill lay my keys down that he'll smoke anything youve got in the straits and in the curves
mattmiller262 6 months ago
@mattmiller262 pfttt..LT1 against a 4v stang...HAHAHAH i don't think so bud.
CJDUBstang 7 months ago
@CJDUBstang I do, stangs have always been over rated, the only ones that were anything decent was the Terminators and the newer Saleens an 5.0s all the rest were pretty sad until u dumped some $ into em
mattmiller262 7 months ago
@mattmiller262 Stangs are overrated huh? ROFFL. Just where was GM from 2002-2010 in the pony car segment. Oh that's right, they had car so carppy, no one would by them any more. Talk about sad., The mustang is a far higher quality, more liveable car, and they are made fast fuckin easy.
CJDUBstang 7 months ago 7
@CJDUBstang discontinuing a car doesn't mean it was crappy... Was the Mercury Marauder crappy? the Thunderbird? the GT supercar? the Cobra hardly ever broke 10,000 sales... far less than f-bodys. But obv it's not bc "no one would BUY them"
"Talk about sad," I suggest you open your mind to finding things to like about cars even when you prefer an alternative. Just bashing Camaros is immature and marks you as someone not to be taken seriously
grenade350 6 months ago
@grenade350 lol you're a fucking idiot. I asked "WHERE WAS THE CAMARO 2003-2010?" The decided they wouldn't build a car nobody was buying. How fucking hard is that to understand? This was the strategy of GM until Bumblebee came out.
CJDUBstang 6 months ago
@CJDUBstang Thanks for repeating your dumb question, I had forgotten that questions get less dumb when repeated. If no one was buying them in 2002, why do I still see '02s around? and if that was their strategy till Bumblebee (I assume you mean when the first Transformers movie showcased the Camaro Concept) then why on Earth did they go to the trouble of getting the similar GTO here?
Every comment on this video directed at you says it all: you're the misinformed one here, pal.
grenade350 5 months ago
@grenade350 The trouble of getting the GTO...lol you mean shipping a rebage of a car engineered 3 years earlier and already in production. Yes that sounds very fucking hard. They needed something to compete in the "mustang segment" since their FWD SC V6 and V8 cars were fucking garbage.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang I think you should stop embarrassing yourself and actually use the Internet- look stuff up before you say things that, if true, MAY enhance your argument. The GTO's home-market car, Holden Monaro, was actually designed sometime in the late '90s. Dunno why it matters though. Secondly, apparently you know nothing of getting cars safety- and emissions-certified for mass importation. It's a headache. Next, duh, the Grand Prix GTP et al were never meant to compete with the Mustang..
grenade350 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang Don't forget to mention the Mustang was well established years before the Camaro. hahaha
41stuka 6 months ago
@41stuka dont forget to establish mustangs were ford's answer to the vette...til the camaro came out and ford decided to compete with the slower car...because the vette was blowing its doors in then they had to supercharge to deal with the vettes NA engine and then brag about it when they ran the 1/4 in like .2 seconds quicker..
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle I'm sorry but you're incorrect. Why would Ford start competing with the camaro three years later??? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You really think Ford would just say "hey lets compete with the slower one". If you believe that then your a tool. Chevy wouldn't even say that. The Mustang and Camaro were both considered pony cars. That is why Chevy developed the Camaro 3 years later. Please read a book!
The Corvette was never considered to be in this class.
41stuka 4 months ago
@41stuka was on a car show i watched. the vette had a 6 cylinder in it and so did the stang. then they both were getting V8s and the vettes was better and faster. then the camaro came out and the mustang was closer in speed to it so thats what they competed with while the vette just kept getting faster and eventually wasnt even in the same class. yes they were pony cars but they were muscle cars also. the vette was considered muscle then moved to exotic after awhile. cant remember the show tho.
timmypstyle 4 months ago
@timmypstyle and Ford never started supercharging their Mustangs until 2003. Before thet they had a turbocharged 4 cylinder fox body(SVO). Besides the Vette has a higher displacement so instead of Ford making their cars less gas efficient they super charger a smaller V8 to compete. What is your point!?!? because your narrow minded and think if it isn't built to your liking it isn't fast or respectable??? I respect Chevy! I just don't respect you idiots that give Chevys a bad name. so please STFU
41stuka 4 months ago
@CJDUBstang just fyi...GM killed the camaro and firebird on their own by accident. they underrated the engines in the f bodies to promote corvette sales. 97 LS1 vette rated 350hp...98 f-body rated 305...they rated the engines lower so more people would by the vette when in reality they were very close in power. all it would take is not even another $1000 spent on an f-body to make it just as fast as a car that was over 10k more. not arguing, its just the facts.
timmypstyle 5 months ago in playlist not watched
@timmypstyle keep dreaming bud. the ls1 vette engine is not the same as the LS1 f-body. Also "they killed the f-body accidentally" is pure fantasy. You can't "accidentally" kill car sales by underrating an engine. It got killed because its a terrible automobile The Terminator is underated by about 25 hp and the ford GT by maybe 40hp. Even the new 5.0 has been underrated by around 10hp, yet all turned out to be strong sellers.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang The LS1 engines in the Vette and the F-body are essentially the same with minor differences. The Vette has coil covers, different exhaust manifolds and alternator mounted high on the left side needing a remote power steering reservoir. The Vette LS1 has a slightly different camshaft profile allowing the engine to meet emissions requirements w/o using an EGR valve. The F-body has exposed coils and the alternator mounted on the left side below the power steering pump. want the link?
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle and also your logic is crappy. the vette and camaro were closely priced and they wanted to sell more of the more expensive one..so they made the rating less on the f body so people would buy vettes. thats why f body sales went down. but also you cant back up what you say and plus you were wrong right off the bat...and cars are underrated usually for insurance purposes also...thats what they did with the cas in the 60s a lot and they still do it. GM screwed themselves...thats all.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle yah so having those differences makes them the same. yah and cam profile and manifolds don't effect the output at all. Jesus you're right! lol fucking idiot. Your argument was that they are close in power. But that's fucking fantasy considering the vette's differences. You can't just go out and claim to have a vette engine and its hp. That's like claiming to have a cammed car when you don't, same shit.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang yeah a SLIGHTLY different cam profile wont give you much.....one that is a lot more aggressive will give you a lot...but its not more aggressive.....its a different cam to meet EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.....remember what that means for engines???? they have the SAME FUCKING ENGINE with SLIGHT DIFFERENCES....its in black and white...i can send you the link which by the way...my last post was an edited quote since the whole quote wouldnt fit in the writing box on here.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
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@CJDUBstang yeah a SLIGHTLY different cam profile wont give you much.....one that is a lot more aggressive will give you a lot...but its not more aggressive.....its a different cam to meet EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.....remember what that means for engines???? they have the SAME FUCKING ENGINE with SLIGHT DIFFERENCES....its in black and white...i can send you the link which by the way...my last post was an edited quote since the whole quote wouldnt fit in the writing box on here.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang yeah a SLIGHTLY different cam profile wont give you much.....one that is a lot more aggressive will give you a lot...but its not more aggressive.....its a different cam to meet EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.....remember what that means for engines???? they have the SAME FUCKING ENGINE with SLIGHT DIFFERENCES....its in black and white...i can send you the link which btw my last post was an edited quote since the whole quote wouldnt fit in the writing box on here.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang it says SLIGHTLY different cam profile to MEET EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS...when emissions are put on vehicles...it usually doesnt make them more powerful...and the stock f body was 305hp..then 325 with ram air...they were underrated and also slightly different than the vette. its the same engine with slight differences. i mean come on...the 3rdc major difference was the alternator location...there wasnt a whole lot changed.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle Sure. Bud, its probably too easy to go around telling everybody your beat to shit camaro has a "corvette engine".
Clown. everybody and their mom knows the Vette and GTO LS1s have more cam, better intake and timing, than the 98-02 f-bodies. You can't call them the same engine just cause they have "in your opinion", a couple changes. I becha half these LS1 owners are putting them on a dynoject besides...lol massively inflated, uncorrected numbers. Nice try though.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang um. first of all...the info i gave wasnt my opinion. i said i could give you the link. 2nd the GTO was made AFTER the camaro was discontinued. the cars get the same engine. its a code...LS1 and LT1 are not the same engines but everything they put them in was the same. the vette, f bodies and impala SS had the LT1 and they were all the same. usually what makes the difference is the intake, exhaust, and tuning. dude just go to wikipedia and type in LS1 and read.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle ok i can't believ you are stupid enough to say the LS1 and LT1 are remotely the same. Go dyno a stock 01-02 camaro on a msuatng dyno, then the same with a vette and tell me what happens.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang NO, the LS1s in the vettes and LS1 f bodies are almost the same. and the LT1 vettes and LT1 f bodies being almost the same. not LTs and LSs being the same. and if you dyno them you will most likly see about a 25hp-40hp difference. what i am saying is the intake and exhaust are higher flow along with a better tune on the vette to increase the power. and the f-bodies can easily match that power within the $15k price difference. GM got more money per car that way but lost f-body sales.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang oh and by the way...the GTO only had the LS1 for 1 year. and the vette and GTO had a different intake(LS6) which proves what i said. it wasnt opinion, its fact. your just to stupid and ignorant to get over yourself and think you know everything. love it when people argue with something even when they are proven wrong over and over again. so thanks for the entertainment. have fun with your crappy mustangs which were a joke except for the 60s.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang oh...IF you went to wikipedia this is what you would see since i know you wont actually research it since your the usual youtube know-it-all. This is copied and pasted straight from wikipedia--"The LS1 was rated at 350 hp (260 kW) and 365 lbf·ft (495 N·m) since 2001 (LS6 Intake), 1997-2000 350 lbf·ft (470 N·m) in North America, depending on the application. The LS1 was used in the Corvette from 97-04. It was also used in GM F-Body cars with a rating of 305HP - 325HP."
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle lol that's a pretty vague description and doesn't cover differences, including cam. Its written to look like that are the same but with different ratings. BS. You GM guys need to stop lying about this underrating and put one of those 01-02 cars on a REAL fucken dyno and you'll see truth compared to a Vette LS1...All these idiots with their "300rwhp stock" are measuring on a frigging Dynojet. Put that shit on a mustang dyno and the true reading is around 280rwhp..or about 320hp.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang doesnt cover differences...um..i ALREADY told you the differences...coil covers, cam profile tfor emissions...and alternator in a different location...and either way...if it really IS 280rwhp stock....isnt that just a TINY bit more than a stock GT? oh...yeah its actually MORE at the wheels than a GT is at the ENGINE....why dyno on a mustang dyno? because they are only made to read up to 300hp or something since GTs were 265hp for so long?
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle 05-08 mutangs are around 265-270rwhp stock. Or 300hp for you retard. 280rwhp is where LS1 are at with the 280-265 or 70 is 10-15rwhp. Mine is 286rwhp. Yes with tune up to 91 octane + muffler the mighty engineering hp of the LS1 is ovecome. lol Doesn't the LS1 come with premium only? As for dynos. If you quote a dynojet hp, you're a fucking tool.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang stock 05 GTs were 300hp at crank. and yes it is premium only but thats what my 96 TA said too but i had to run 87 the first fill up and it was fine. and you are saying that your modded mustang is better than a STOCK LS1...nope. remember a little thing called torque? kinda need that too and thats where the 4.6 falls short. and why compare a modded stang to a stock LS1? because you NEED to mod it to compare them...mod the LS1 with the same mods and youll see taillights...AGAIN....
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle tune to the same gasoline as the ls1 and different muffler is not exactly a boatload of mods. lets not forget the camaro was always alot more expensive than the GT anyway. Not that they built a camaro in 2005 of course...but the car that replaced it was way more expensive (GTO) lol. Save the cash money for two little mods and the rest on all the hoes you're gonna get riding in a legit ride vs a warmed over sunfire or POS camaro.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang dude...grenade schooled you. lol warmed over sunfire...too bad the GTO or holden monaro has been made for over 10 years in austrailia and was rebadged to a GTO. and the GTO was actually more powerful but slower than a stock LS1 camaro SS because it weighed so much. and mustang being a fast car right out of the box...compared to a cavalier yes but also remember the fox body is pretty much the most genaric looking car ever made with a 5.0 dropped in. 60s are the only cool stangs.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang and by the way. used to beat GTs all the time in my stock auto 96 TA. raced 2 at the same time in fact. both were 02 GTs and one pulled into the turn lane to race me and the other stang. had them both by over 2 cars by the time i got thru the intersection and at 80mph i was over 10 cars ahead. then the next stop light one of them raced me again with the same results. also raced a 1st gen STI from a 50roll and beat it. i never lost and only 1 car got me off the line and it was a VR-4
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle You want a medal? You beat cars with 25 less hp and a litre less displacement. Why not a 96 cobra bitch-ass? A litre less displacement but more hp. Sounds fair to me.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang there you go again...a MODDED mustang beating a STOCK LS1...yes i know they are SCed from the factory but thats what you have to do to a stang to make it be able to beat the competition. fords solution is to supercharge something, then brag about it being faster than a NA vehicle. f150 lightning vs SRT10 ram...cobra vs f bodies and vette...list goes on...its like an STI....without boost its nothing. same with the stang...
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle lol GM guys still butt hurt after all these years that ford made a killer car out of the box, that rendered the f-body irrelvant once and for all. The Zr1 corvette is supercharged to keep up with Viper, GTR ain't it? And ZL1 with gt500. Fucking hypocrite. Lemme give you a history lesson arsehole: the Cobra R is only 5.4L and 400hp. The only reason this was not carried though for the 2003 cobra is capacity and cost. It was more practical for ford to build a SC motor. Period.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang lol ONLY a 5.4L. and 400hp...not without boost it aint. so ad a SC on the camaro's 5.7L. and get over 400hp. And your words are that it was practical for them to use a SCed 5.4L, thats because they cant make power out of NA engines. thank you for proving my point. and by the way im on my 8th vehicle and 4 were fords...78 5.8L f150, 97 2.3L ranger, 04 4.2L f150 heritage, 08 4.2L f150(now). also had a 86 5.0L chevy C10(hated it), 90 3.3L 5th ave., 89 2.8L firebird and 96 5.7L trans am.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle Hey you stupid idiots have not heard of a Cobra R. Its normally aspirated you fucking jerkoff. Also Ford of Australia regularly makes 5.4L motors with 380-430hp, ALL MOTOR. The SC route was a practical one due to capacity and cost. So they supercharged the 4.6. smart guy. You guy probably heard but ford was selling about 700,000 5.4L per year no plant capacity to make 10,000 N/A 5.4 cobras so they made it limited.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang dude, just stop. nobody cares or believes what you say after you compared a GTO to a sunfire...so have fun with your torqueless mustang. this conversation has gone way beyond the normal "mustang guy" vs "gm guy" norm. everyone likes their own vehicle and everyone has their own taste, which is the whole point of car manufacturers making more than one car. i hate mustangs, but if i got beat by one i wouldnt be complaining about it, just happens i never did so to me they are slow.
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@timmypstyle You really haven't lost to a mustang? What do you have a trans am, camaro, corvette? Which will it be? I'll show you just what a LOSSSSS feels like.
MrClutch1999 4 months ago
@MrClutch1999 had a 96 T/A. was an auto(too tall to drive stick in that car) and only mod was a K&N drop-in. i raced 2 02 GTs at the same light, also a cobra with at least an exhaust, not sure of year. was the style from 93-97 or whatever. it had the horizontal tails. and my buddy has a 95 5.0 GT convertable which had intake, exhaust, and 4.10s when we raced. i had the TA 7yrs ago. now have an 08 V6 f150 with intake and custom tuned SCT X3. its not fast but has beaten a lot of V8 trucks tho.
timmypstyle 4 months ago
@timmypstyle Trans ams aren't bad, but if you decide to go with another one, get an 01-02 ws6, those were the better ones. Either way, you must have modded it quite a bit. On the other hand, if I were to get a truck, I wouldn't go with anything other than a lightning. Trucks are effin clean.
MrClutch1999 4 months ago
@MrClutch1999 they are my favorite cars. had a 89 firebird V6 and my 96 trans am. if i got another one it would be a 99+..never get the first year for an engine or design change. too risky for bugs and flaws in the vehicle. and yes a lightning would be awesome. only crappy thing is that they are all autos. would love a 5spd or a 6 spd in one if i had one.
timmypstyle 4 months ago
@CJDUBstang im just gonna jump into this arguement, my trans am is a badass car, and looks way better then any stang out there.
when the stangs had to use a sc to keep pace with my trans am, i laugh, even if they barely beat me. my cars got way more displacement then they do, and still can be forced inducted.
yes the ls1 is underated but i personally dont give a shit when im gonna drop the bigger scarier and more powerful 6.2l ls3 in her. also how is building a sc more practical then a 5.7l
xyzdorky66 5 months ago
@xyzdorky66 Like the other guy- Don't speak unless you're spoken to. Ford built a 5.4L N/A with 400hp looong before they were supercharging. It destroys the 5.7 LS1 bs making the same power as a LS6. How bout dat? They made the decision to use the more common 4.6 block and SC it, due to production line demands on the 5.4. The 5.4 was also more expensive to make than a SC 4.6. If you want to make up an alternate history of Ford SVT, please go right ahead. This "had to use a SC" is getting old.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang ls6 is a terrible motor,
the only good motors off the ls series are the ls7 and the ls3, the ls9 is a sc ls3.
also i saw you saying f-bodies didnt have a corvette motor
uhmm my trans am says differently.
also whhoooooooooo theeeeee fuckkkkkkk are you to say
"Don't speak unless spoken to"
If i'm not mistaken your the person who started this little talk, and what, am i supposed to let you make fun of my car and its motor?
you can go fuck yourself with your 5.4l piece of shit
xyzdorky66 5 months ago
@xyzdorky66 The LS6. A motor handbuilt by GM. With 3rd party race parts. With 400hp. Is a terrible motor? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...Adults are talking. Go lay down and lick your nuts.
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang Ls3 has 430 hp and thicker walls better suited for boost.
Why the fuck do you think they chose to use it for the ls9 and not the ls6 or ls7
xyzdorky66 5 months ago
@timmypstyle lol sti's are slow as snail shit without boost,
imo theres no replacement for displacement, and when our friends with turbos and superchargers start keeping pace with us all we have to do is throw on a twin turbo kit and boom were pushing way more power then they ever will.
when i hear people bitch about a honda being faster i ask why do they put v12 na's in lambos and ferrari's?
cause they get more power, a twin turbo v12 is scary shit
xyzdorky66 5 months ago
@xyzdorky66 i agree. EXCEPT..what of the W16 veyron? 4 turbos and only 1001hp. a supra can get over 1000 with a single or twin turbo. altho i am sure a veyron would still smoke a 1000hp supra. not arguing with you, just saying that sometimes even boosting things doesnt always mean huge power. and boosting a mustang still makes a shitty car. except for the 60s, stangs suck. 265hp til 2005. so someones 2004 GT still produced less hp and torque than a 1993 camaro. thats sad. what year is your TA?
timmypstyle 5 months ago
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@xyzdorky66 i agree. EXCEPT..what of the W16 veyron? 4 turbos and only 1001hp. a supra can get over 1000 with a single or twin turbo. altho i am sure a veyron would still smoke a 1000hp supra. not arguing with you, just saying that sometimes even boosting things doesnt always mean huge power. and boosting a mustang still makes a shitty car. except for the 60s, stangs suck. 265hp til 2005. so someones 2004 GT still produced less hp and torque than a 1993 camaro. thats sad. what year is your TA?
timmypstyle 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang the fbody engine is almost identical the the LS1 in the vette. please refrain from talking about things you know jack shit about, dumb fuck
cliffabrown 4 months ago
@cliffabrown So you guys can go around hollering "this shits got a vette motor" Fraid not arsehole. So why is the Vette 350hp and the Camaro only 320hp MAXIMUM? And don't tell me "underrated". That's a myth that already been disporven by a mustang dyno over and over and over.
CJDUBstang 4 months ago
cliffabrown 4 months ago
@cliffabrown Yeah you're right, its really a Corvette motor. Keep thinking that.
CJDUBstang 4 months ago
@CJDUBstang The LT1 was used in the C4 vette's?
need2speed94 4 months ago
@need2speed94 yes. the vette had the LT1 from 92 to 96 and the LS1 started in 97. the vette got the engines the year before the F bodies got them. f bodies started getting the LT1s in 93 and the LS1 in 98 with the design change
timmypstyle 4 months ago
@timmypstyle I thought you were saying that it Wasn't a corvette motor hah, I dont need a GM lecture i have a 98 Z/28 sittin out front ;)
need2speed94 4 months ago
@need2speed94 i was argueinhg with CJDUB about it. i know they are the same motors, he was arguing that they werent even close to the same. even after giving him the differences he still was arguing. its ok tho, hes probably just mad because the 4.6 in the mustang and the 4.6 2v in the f150 are pretty much the same situation as the LT1 applications lol
timmypstyle 4 months ago
@timmypstyle Oh ahah okay lol.
need2speed94 4 months ago
@CJDUBstang lol i will keep thinking that, because i'm right. dumbass.
cliffabrown 4 months ago
@CJDUBstang Corvettes will always be better then mustangs. Chevy rules but ford is good to
JuniorPros118 5 months ago
@CJDUBstang lololololololol, mustang is a poor mans sports car my guy there are about 50:1 more mustangs than camaros, and plus i think i would take a 5.7 over a 4.6, 4.9, or a 5.0 any day lmao Chevy is the way to go if u want power
Mr77monte 5 months ago
@Mr77monte Yes more slightly power and a shitty car. What a great idea. Ever heard of a Cobra, idiot?
CJDUBstang 5 months ago
@Mr77monte Who cares now days who has more power, especially when the 2011 5.0 is making 412hp. All the competition has at least 400+ hp from the factory. The Challenger, Camaro and Mustang. The new 5.0 runs great and is significantly smaller than the competetion. That just means Ford has better engineering than the rest. They need bigger displacement to get the power they need. For the record I love beating higher displacement cars with my little 4.6 Cobra. It happens all the time my friend :)
cobra012297 5 months ago
@mattmiller262 I disagree the terminator cars were rated @ 390hp and I have personally seen 3 on the dyno BONE STOCK and all put down between 415 and 425 to the wheels, foxes owned the iroc cars, if ya think about it in the last 30 years the camaro has really only bested the stang for the 93-02 years. starting with the 03 terminator and going up to the newest gt500 super snake the vette is a better match for the top line stangs.
z1kstunna 6 months ago
@z1kstunna i love stangs but hate to rain on your parade..... whatever dyno your looking at is WAYYY Off. cause by your logic a STOCK 03 cobra is putting out 460ish at the crank??? lmfao sorry bro.... but never in your life have you seen a stock 03 cobra put down 425 to the wheels.... let alone 3 of em
gbt34 6 months ago
@z1kstunna How do you gain from a parasitic loss. How do you go from 390hp from the crank to 415-425 rwhp? If you know how then you might wanna get with NASCAR or Formula 1 because you be making bank.
Smokie420ish 6 months ago
@mattmiller262 doubt it
jordtizzle 6 months ago
hahahahaha lmmfao
Jayc28777 7 months ago
oh god.
Zakkery456 7 months ago
i drive a maro but i knew this was a loss. LT1s arent that special. LSX for the win.
'98 SS
need2speed94 7 months ago
I dont get why is always the fighting vs Mustang and Camaro fans, you guys are a bunch of inmature idiots, i love both Camaros/Birds and Mustangs they are both american muscle cars , if ur gonna hate towards a car hate toward some import or something.
cubano1389 7 months ago
still a piece of shit mustang sell it for scrap metal and buy a real car
twiztidzug05 7 months ago
@twiztidzug05 No.
ralatorre9 7 months ago
This vid never gets old haha
MrMustangFan87 7 months ago
i dont know what was more embarrassing. the fact that the mustang started in reverse or the fact that the driver of the camaro lost to him
defergerth 7 months ago
@jasmin22cano no this cobra would smoke a stock LS1 without a 6 speed and 2.73s doesnt really make much of a difference
sciowapker 7 months ago
Of course the Cobra is going to win. 3.73s in the Cobra vs the stock 2.73s in the Camaro gives the Cobra a much faster launch. So he'll have the lead off the bat. Stick 3.73s in the Camaro and it'll be a much more even match.
AandWProductions 7 months ago
my SUPERCHARGED LS1 would beat that cobra
TheGazdik 7 months ago
LMFAO that was hilarious... i have never seen anyone launch reverse
xXgofalldownXx 7 months ago
At least race the SS. So people bagging on the Camaro .... Wtf. lmao
Cripton805 7 months ago
camaros suck!
A7XforREVer12 7 months ago
@jasmin22cano What's it matter? I doubt a stock 98 Z28 would be that Cobra he beat the LT1 by a large gap. I have never been beat that bad by a LS1 period.
SuRihtanil 7 months ago
someone in camaro cant drive
DSMeclipsegst 8 months ago
lol this shyt reminded me of the movie BACK TO THE FUTURE PART 3
mustang305sfinest 8 months ago
now if you want a spanking the cobra is ready any time i am going to post a vid of it soon just for s$%@* and giggles see you on the track
IOWNacobrastixl1200c 8 months ago
even if the stock f body in its best day with the best driver and the record it happened once, not constantly will they run 12's mid 13's all day though. i just ran both the cobra and the sti over the week end for a test and tune. cobra 10.79 @ 129 and the sti 13.49 @109 it would be close on the sti but the real question is can you hook up BlackBirdv6. if its a race meet me at maple grove PA iam there every Saturday from 12 to 4 for test and tune then you can youtube a real race
IOWNacobrastixl1200c 8 months ago
hahaha good clean fun. . . it's what life is about!
ralatorre9 8 months ago
ha !someone just watched back to the future.
MSG685 8 months ago
its auto prob lol if he mixxed it up
oAToMiCx 8 months ago