@MrPersia23 You're a FAKE muslim talking like that. You only show your ignorance when you can only use profanity and NOT TRUTH to back up your statements. SMH...
Any deity name we give the free thinking spirit and creator is one and the same as human just like animals dont know how we got here. Science & Religion with its best philosopher's hypothesis has nothing more than theories once you go back as far a the written word takes you. Translations, and langauge is the barrier of understanding the truth. We must CHOOSE to believe and live in righteousness, respect, love, and kindness. Death should only occur as a direct threat in survial of the species.
@7thjewel I find it hard to believe that any man would want to return to a group which he had accused of setting a fire that almost killed him and his family, which is an accusation he never recanted, nor did he say that the n.o.i wasn't trying to kill him.what he did say was that they weren't the ONLY ones wanted him dead and that the f.b.i was indeed instigating the conflict and thus allowing n.o.i members ( notice I never said Elijah himself) the opportunity to kill him. He also said the c.i
@SuperSincere1 Actually, Malcolm DID say NOI wasn't trying to kill him. Its in his autobiography & there's a website brothermalcolm. net, under "Chronology" & then "1965" 2/20/1965 (the night BEFORE he was killed) in a phone conversation with Alex Haley he said "the more I keep thinking about this thing the things that have been happening lately, I'm not at all sure it's the Muslims. I know what they can & can't do & some of the stuff Recently going on...I'm going to quit saying its the Muslims"
Elijah's followers love this to post this video as if Malcolm was trying to come back into the fold of the n.o.i,but they never post the date in which this recording was actually made. If you know the history of this conflict you'll also know that Malcolm didn't leave the nation, he was put out the nation and when first got put out he did want to come back 4 he did still love Elijah. Mind you this was before attempts was made on his life(families life) and the true extent of elijah's domestic s
@SuperSincere1 I do not know the exact date, but suffice it to say it was during his suspension, which was from the end of 11/1963 thru to the time he left in 3/1964; BEFORE his 2nd trip to Mecca, where he had his so-called "epiphany" about white people. Gil Noble of "Like it Is" made several shows over the years explaining how MX made SEVERAL tapes & letters asking the Hon. Elijah Muhammad to let him back in the NOI
On 2/20/65 MX said to Alex Haley he knew the Muslims wasn't trying to kill him
He belives he was a prophet of allah?Subhanallah...."Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things. S. 33:40
misrepresented how dude? I mean lets get real here. Muslims don't let women show their faces why???? Ok, and bigamy is against the LAW in this country. And by the way dude, all WHITE PEOPLE are not devils, there just NOT. Some of them are certifiably evil, but there not DEVILS. that's actually racist. I dunno who Elijah thought he was, but what he did to his wife was WRONG! I suggest you read the book "The rise and fall of Elijah Muhammad". It's hard for people to respect a man, who did that.
@jtimes He purposely misrepresented the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's relationship to these women by calling them his "teenaged secretaries" when NONE of them were teenagers at the time AND that they were his WIVES. MX knew that but he chose to use salacious language.
I know ALL white people are NOT devils. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught in "Our Saviour Has Arrived" that righteous whites will see the Hereafter. Blackness is NOT a "get into Heaven card". Righteousness is the standard we will be judged
... Follow NOI, first of all this is not before he died, he converted to an orthodox before he died. and second Malcom realized the mistake he died by following elijah muhammad. In my opinion Malcom was right to make this decision and Elijah said he died lost and a hypocrite is wrong, Elijah and his teachings were wrong. But In conclusion this apology WAS NOT made before his assasination as he converted to orthodox before he died and did not believe in any of what he said in this record b4hedied
@bEaTzPuRe Well, you're welcome to your OPINION but the FACT is this (and SEVERAL other tapes) was made in 1964. I can't confirm whether or not this was prior to his trip to Mecca but it was certainly during the spring of 1964. Proof of these & other such tapes was evidenced by the journalist Gil Noble in one of his many documentaries on the life of Malcolm. Now do you have any proof to support your OPINION?
Further, MX believed Elijah & then DISbelieved him; therefore that makes him hypocrite
@7thJewelProductions No, converting to another religion doesn't make you a hypocrite, You might say what he preached, he turned against, but at the time of his preaching he didn't really know the right path as he said himself and was a "zombie"... Now lemme ask you this, Have you heard of Warith Deen Mohammad, Elijah's son who converted to orthodox, he said that he asked his mother do you believe in W.D fard Muhammad and she denied.... watch the video but does that make his son a hypocrite? nooo
@bEaTzPuRe Sir, when you say you believe something & then later say you DISbelieve that's a textbook definition of a hypocrite. And in answer of your question (I saw the video you're referring to) yes, the Imam WAS a hypocrite also. Sorry. Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into what Imam Warith Deen said anytime after 1963 in regards to the NOI. He's lied before on his own father so its not much of a stretch to believe he would lie on his mother to make a point. He lied Saviour's Day 1975.
@7thJewelProductions Wait a minute dude. Did Elijah muhammad have babies with his secretaries or NOT? And if so, are you gonna stand here and DEFEND THAT?
@jtimes Yes he did & yes I am. However, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad MARRIED all those women he had children with. In Islam, men are allowed to have more than one wife (as is written in the Qur'an). Malcolm purposely misrepresented the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's relationship with these women.
@touggie2000 Quite easily actually, because we believe that man (Wali Fard Muhammad) is the Great Mahdi, the Supreme Khalifah of Allah. He's NOT the Creator, nor do we acknowledge Him as such, but He is One in such supreme submission to Allah, He is the physical manifestation of Allah's Will in flesh. Qur'anically speaking, 19:17 Allah's Spirit appeared to Mary in the form (or in the Person) of a well made man.
@touggie2000 If Allah is not a man, then what is "He"? I hope you are prepared to answer this question, if not, then I suggest to you to be quiet...in a nice way!!!
@jacksondarryl34 Do u believe Allah is perfect? surely u should! do u believe Allah Exist? surely u do! Do u believe Allah can die? surely u don't! Man is not perfect ,man exist but they will absolutely will die in due time!!!!! with that being said if your not ready to except this then your night worth the time.Allah created the universe in everything in it! what man u know can do this if u know one why can he not duplicate or control this creation?
@touggie2000 If Allah is not a man, then what is he? you have not answered the question! If Allah created a universe that is material, yet he is not, how could this be? When did HE set up the LAW Of Life and Death? What is Spirit? can spirit manifest itself without material? How was Material formed? The Quran states that man comes from Allah and to him you will return! How? How can Allah speak? yet he is some spook or formless entity? Black people dont die! we are alpha and omega!!
@jacksondarryl34 No "man" can explain in exact detail what allah looks like or his state of being! your question are so stupid i almost dont want to believe u are serious! when did he set up life and how cann spirit manifest itself without material?? like what are u talking about? ALLAH created all that you spea your GOD IS A MAN THAT IS DEAD! when does his spirit manifest itself where is your GOD NOW?? black people dont die are u insane? where in the quran or the hadith does it back your idea?
@touggie2000 "how can spirit manifest itself without material??" Spoken like someone who DOESN'T know physics.
Do you know what dark matter is? Do you know what matter/energy is? Matter/energy is all around you right now. Dark matter makes of over 86% of the entire universe yet it is undetectable by normal methods. They know of its existence by examining the things dark matter affects. Too bad you were so belligerent in my other page, we could have had an exchange.
@touggie2000 You clearly dont know what you are talking about and you really dont want to have a non-emotional debate! Prior to the Influence of Greek hellenization, God was seen in a physical form! The God you worship is a manifestation of Plato!
Let me straighten things out for people that don't know, Elijah mohammad was not an orthodox, he didn't teach the "right" Islam he taught the Islam that was under Wallace Fard Mohammad (NOI) or nation of Islam. Now some people say that muslims from saudi arabia or elsewhere killed Malcom X, but Malcom left NOI to join The orthodox Islam or Sunni's, But coming from a muslim here... I believe that there isn't NOI. If sunni Islam or the real Islam was established first then why would malcom...
@bEaTzPuRe In all actuality, it was CIA/FBI functionaries under COINTELPRO who assassinated MX. If you know your history, you'll know that the FBI/CIA infiltrated ALL black organizations at the time; NAACP, SCLC, SNCC, CORE, & the NOI among a few others. It was these illegitimate members who killed MX & left the blame on the NOI. Proof is the guy they caught at the scene named the names of his co-conspirators, but they were NEVER sought. Why? Because of their DIRECT connections to CIA/FBI.
@7thJewelProductions Actually, Let's see the teacher of NOI, Elijah Muhammad, now you believe The CIA/FBI assassinated Malcom X themselves, BUT... Elijah said himself that it was "his foolish teachings that he followed that got him killed" now let's look deep into that... will anyone really believe in fate the Mal X just died because of CIA/FBI, it WAS legitimate members of NOI, and the police/CIA/FBI at that time were white, the blacks killed Malcom X for leaving NOI and joining the orthodox.
@bEaTzPuRe Explain this Thomas Hagan (murderer caught at the scene) NAMED THE NAMES of his co-conspirators & EXONERATED the 2 other men they arrested DAYS LATER who were legitimate NOI members. If the other men on the assassination squad were "legitimate members" then WHY weren't ANY of them arrested & charged? If they were "legitimate members" then the more NOI members the merrier, right?. But they did NOT? Why?? Because they were NOT legitimate members, but functionaries for FBI/CIA!
@bEaTzPuRe Also, even if they kept the 2 men wrongly convicted in jail for as long as they did, WHY did they NEVER go after the men Thomas Hagan named?? Another little fact that you may NOT know, they caught TWO men at the Audubon that day. Thomas Hagan & ANOTHER man. The OTHER man was whisked away in an unmarked patrol car NEVER to be seen again. This man was one of those later named by Hagan, but he STILL was NOT arrested! They ALL had connections to the government!! Remember COINTELPRO??
Above ALL, we as Black people, instead of focusing on integration, we NEED to focus ALL of our collective energies to Self Independence! Self Ownership! Self Governance! Not that we can't work with white people, but NOT to the degradation & negation of Self! Integration breeds that. We need our own! The Hon. Elijah Muhammad said himself, if you have a better plan for the resurrection of our people, he & his followers would follow that plan!
The Hon. Elijah Muhammad's work was the upliftment of ALL Black people. The Black power movement of the 60's is the product of the NOI's teaching of Black. We were calling ourselves "BLACKMAN" when it was considered an insult to use the word Black with anything. If you called someone a "Black so & so" you were in for a fight! Blacks hated "Black". But because of the NOI's work of destroying Black inferiority, we have a self-esteem that wasn't there before. THAT is a superior accomplishment!
Again, I'm not taking away any accomplishments away from the NOI!! My argument is Elijah Poole's plan was great for self development BUT that's were it stopped. The NOI had preached for and championed the killing of a fellow Black Man, who was a muslim. MLK NEVER did such a thing. Turn the other cheek, I'll pass. But you can't take away NOT ONE THING from the man's accomplishments that are still in place as we type.
@moneyright22 When you're calling him "Poole" you're being disrespectful. His name is the Hon. Elijah Muhammad! Get it right. 2nd the NOI never "championed the killing" of anyone. I won't deny there were a few zealots; every community has them. Again, you use the word accomplishments in reference to MLK. What did he do? Again, the ability to go to toilet with white people, sit & eat with them in the same restaurant or even marry them?? Those are NOT accomplishments! Name the benefits we enjoy?
@WongOmowale MLK did give black people a sense of racial pride. That can be argued. If you talk to an old black person who was in the struggle they would argue he did. They would argue that his speeches did uplift black people as well. For example: The I Have A Dream Speach and The Last Speach he gave before he died. Uplifting brothers out of the ghetto and getting them off of drugs was a great SELF DEVELOPMENT PLAN. What I'm arguing is that besides that there was nothing else.
@WongOmowale I'm not taking away the accomplishments of the NOI. Their program was great for self development! But, that's it. When it came to Educational, Economical, or Social reforms, it lacked a great deal. The plan about separtism may have been good happy talk but it was an extremely far stretch from being accomplished then and now.
@WongOmowale And at the end of the day brother, since we have been removed from our true nature (which is perfect harmony with the creator in our persons) we were given the "rudder" of religion to guide us back to our perfected state again until we no longer need the "religious" aspect of it. You strike me as embracing our African traditions, so Omowale means "the child who has returned home". On the deepest sense it means returning to our true Self! That union with the Creator is the goal/home!
@WongOmowale Well brother, man in his perfected form IS a God. When man is in perfect harmony/union with the Creator, he transcends his mental state of existence & functions on a whole other level which is divine. Man (in his perfected state) is God on Earth & God is Man in Heaven (elevated mental state). As far as the prophets of the Bible, what are the principles they taught? The universal truths within SOME of their teachings are immutable & that is what we embrace. There's wisdom in it.
@WongOmowale You're looking at Islam on the surface brother. Islam means "submission to the Will of God". In whatever indigenous religion of Africa our ancestors practiced, the GOAL was communion/unity with the Great All/Creator/Nature. Islam as a "religion" is only 1400 years old, but Islam as a principle is older than the sun, moon & stars. That's why we say Islam is not of Arab origin. Even the Qur'an says "We gave you Islam AS a religion"; admitting its technically NOT a religion. It's deepr
@WongOmowale we can agree to disagree. When u put MLK's accomplishments next to the nations there is no comparison. U mentioned the civil rights bill. No, it may not have changed a lot of issues that were wrong during those times, and some of those issues still exist today. But, it gave black people an option, and a platform to TRY to make some sort of chage. He helped ALL black people, Christian, Muslim, Buddist, etc. Elijah didn't accomplish one thing that can compare.
@moneyright22 Integration is an option? During segregation, Black businesses THRIVED moreso then than they do today as we type! And you ADMIT that they "may not have changed a lot of issues..and some of those issues still exist today". So therefore AGAIN, what did he do?? That's what I mean, what were his long term accomplishments? You tout integration, but seeking approval & snuggling up to white people who didn't want us among them is only a good thing to someone with a slave mentality.
As GREAT as Martin Luther King was he did NOT bring us true equality with whites. We can ONLY have true Freedom, Justice & Equality when we separate mentally & physically from a culture based on white supremacy. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad was not the first to do this (Marcus Garvey was) BUT the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was the most successful in terms of moral reform & having our own in a real sense. The amount of businesses & land OWNED by the NOI trumps anything ANYONE has EVER done for Black people
MLK was a great man but I disagree GREATLY with his method of non-violence in the face of violence. Even Malcolm said you don't speak the "language" of non-violence to a people whose "language" has only been violence. Integration with whites (& by extension a white supremacist culture) is NOT an accomplishment. Integrating lunch counters, bathrooms, water fountains or the ability to sit anywhere on a bus, or even the ability to vote for Lucifer, Satan; either way you're going to catch hell!
There is no one who can argue the fact that MLK did more for blacks than any other organization. No supermarket or bogus farmland can compare. I don't agree with the turn the other cheek method. As I don't agree that Fard was ALLAH himself. If he was, all of ISLAM would recognize fard and Elijah Poole as his messenger. Allah was no criminal nor was he imprisoned for selling drugs to a undercover police officer. Fard did. If he was ALLAH Elijah Poole wouldn't have killed him. WAKE UP
@moneyright22 The ONLY thing MLK did was make speeches. NOTHING of substance! What psycho-babble are you sputtering now? "If he was Allah, Elijah wouldn't have killed him"? What is that? Where are you getting your information from?? I've never seen someone with NO FOUNDATION of truth to stand on but still is attempting to put up a fight. You've proved NOTHING of what you said! I HAVE proved all! You say you don't believe in turn the other cheek but you may as well it matches what you been saying
@moneyright22 Furthermore, Master Fard Muhammad is the Great Mahdi, the Supreme Khalifah of Allah! Is He the Originator of the Heavens & the Earth? No! He is part of the creation, but because of His full & complete submission to Allah, Allah is IN His person. This fact is in Qur'an & Hadith! But you're not interested in facts, you want to promote lies; lies that you CANNOT prove (if you can PLEASE prove them). You're not interested in the resurrection of Black people you want tear REAL help down
@7thJewelProductions Thanks for the offer. But no thanks I will never help an organization that championed the killing of a black man who was a muslim. I can not help an organization who sat across the table from the same devils they preached so adament about. I can't!!! NEVER. You even admitted that the leader of a racist organization that killed blacks was allowed to speak at NOI rally's. Presently, I put my energy and support into an organization that helps all BLACK PEOPLE.
@moneyright22 Whatever frumpy excuse you want to use to make you feel better about NOT helping an organization that has in IMPECCABLE & INCOMPARABLE record in actually HELPING the Black community. The white supremacists he ONLY INVITED TO A MEETING was to show that we were not interested in integrating with the white race. You apparently are...that's your business. LOL!! Yeah, I must be getting to your head because I NEVER said what you say I said. I told you to take a month off & regroup...LOL!
@moneyright22 Son, if you have questions, all you need to do is ask. You've happened to stumble across the right one. My father walked with Malcolm X...he attended #7 when MX was minister. There are things that I know, that the average person wouldn't. I was born Muslim so there's not much you can ask me that I won't know, particularly about the NOI. But when I DON'T know something, I'm man enough to say "I don't know". You have been woefully misinformed. But I can help if you let me...
Oh, and to answer your other question, he's not a prophet in the Islamic sense. In the Islamic sense, he's a Messenger and even then only the educated acknowledge the distinct difference between prophet & messenger. There is only a cessation of prophets in Islam, but NOT messengers. Again, the wise acknowledge this, but the ignorant rank & file muslims make no such distinction. The wise acknowledge the existence of Mahdi & the reality of a supreme khalifah of Allah, which is what/who Fard is.
@7thJewelProductions Ok why doesn't all of ISLAM recognize him as a messenger. Why doesn't all of ISLAM recognize Fard. Are you saying all the practioners of ISLAM old and new, who are not in the Nation, are rank and file muslims. That number totals somewhere in the millions. Are you serious? If what you say about Fard IS TRUE! Why in the hell did he have a criminal record. GOD himself is not a convicted FELON bruh!
So what, he's apologizing to the man that order his murder. So what, he apologized to a man whose secrets he held tight as long as he could.
Then, and just like now, their are thousands of brain washed blackmen and women who followed Elijah Muhammad. A man's whose name is nowhere mentioned in the Koran. But he's the messenger. Yea Ok!!
@moneyright22 You have proof he ordered his murder? An audio tape, or a hand written note, or perhaps an eyewitness? Surely you're not going by your "opinion"?
I love the way people throw brain washed around, but there was no organization (then or now) who did more good for black people than the NOI. Islam in America stands on the foundation that this man, the Messenger of Allah, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad & his followers established. America is not mentioned by name either, but she's signifigant
@7thJewelProductions America, are we having the same conversation? 1st, if Elijah was a prophet his name would be recognized by all ISLAM. 2nd, Farakhan spoke on it and he didn't deny it, look it up. 3rd, Elijah's program is/was great for self development, BUT THAT'S IT. Compared to MLK and the civil rights movement it did nothing for black people. There were no social, educational, economic, political laws or programs put into effect bc of Elijah's message. Name 1 that helped all blk pl.
@moneyright22 Elijah's name is mentioned in Malachi 4:5 in the Bible. In the Qur'an 53:1-6 is talking about Elijah as he is the only Messenger to be taught from the FACE of God. The Qur'an is replete with verses stating that "EVERY nation receives a Messenger"; every nation would include America. The NOI established schools ACROSS THE COUNTRY. He purchased farmland in several states & opened supermarkets across the country in which he sold the produce. MLK & the SCLC did NONE of those things.
@7thJewelProductions but are those supermarkets opened until this day. NO! Does the farmland he purchased still exist NO! And if you believe that Elijah Muhammed is who they are speaking about in the bible, you are about as brainwashed as the rest. WHY DOESN"T ISLAM RECOGNIZE HIM AS THE PROPHET. WHY DOESN"T ISLAM RECOGNIZE FARD AS ALLAH HIMSELF. If these two are who you said they are ALL of Islam would recognize them but the nation as well.
@moneyright22 Don't know if you know the history, but after the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's son assumed leadership of the NOI, he made RADICAL changes in not only the ideology of the NOI, but economic changes as well. He BROKE the NOI, sold the farmland (some of which we now have back), sold the businesses (some of which we have back now), so Min. Farrakhan's effort is a rebuilding effort. And why are you IGNORING the magnitude of what he did?? ONLY with Allah's ACTIVE Will could he be successful!
@7thJewelProductions I admit and have commented that Elijah's Plan was great for self devolopment but that's it. His plan did not help pass any laws, rules, or regulations that help blacks as a whole. There were no economic, social, or educational programs that were put into effect on a national level because of Elijah or the NOI. And if you were not a NOI member or follower his plan was no good to you bc he wouldn't even help you. If you werenot a member you wasn't even recognized.
@moneyright22 That's the purpose of HAVING a NATION! You don't BEG white people to change laws for us, you FORGE your own way!! MLK was a slave & Malcolm correctly said as much. You people want INTEGRATION with your slavemaster & his children. We want complete SEPARATION so our whole mindset is different. Black people were/are ALL welcome to join on to their own kind. THEM tried to forge alliances with the black leadership back then but THEY were too scared of what whites would think to join up.
@moneyright22 And what good was MLK's accomplishment? We get to urinate next to white people? We get to eat at a lunch counter next to white people? We get to vote for devils who don't give a damn for us or our wretched condition as a people? They won't back a man who's got an actual plan for the resurrection of ALL of our people? Under segregation, Black businesses THRIVED!!! Go look that up! That's a FACT!!! When we got to pee-pee with whitey black businesses fell by the wayside.
@7thJewelProductions you seem like an intellgent person. Are you serious with this one. Come on know. Pee next to white people? Vote for devils? At least are givem the CHOICE to pee next to a devil, and then you can decide to PISS on him if you want. At least you have the option to vote. And if you decide to slap every devil who showed up to cast a ballot, then so be it. Before King you didn't have that option. Pee next to a devil sounds like you are stuck in the 40's bruh.
@moneyright22 So what did the civil rights movement accomplish that the white backlash of the '90's didn't take back?? Civil rights afforded us to go to toilet with white people! BIG DEAL!! We can EAT with white people...BIG DEAL!!!! We can ride in the FRONT of busses & sit where we want WITH WHITE PEOPLE! BIG DEAL!!! If we OWNED our own, it wouldn't even be an issue! We got more respect from kicking white people than you got from loving them! Don't argue man, just THINK!
@7thJewelProductions contributing to the website, GREAT POINT!! Although I disagree with your other arguments. That comment made a great deal of sense. I don't take pride in eating next to anyone. But At least it's an option. I can't support something I don't feel is going to help me and the other black people who are NON Muslims. I can't support an organization who has "kicked" more blacks than whites, physically and mentally.
@moneyright22 See, right there, if you knew so much about the NOI (past & present) you would know that the NOI has 9-Ministries that the public can get involved with.
"I don't take pride in eating next to anyone. But at least its an option"-But if we owned our own en-masse it wouldn't matter if we had that "option" or not. U said we "kicked more blacks than whites" That's crazy talk. Again the Black Pride movement was Fathered by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad who had been teaching Black since 1930.
@moneyright22 How has the NOI "kicked more blacks than whites physically & mentally"? I can't wait to hear this. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad took men & women off heroin, stopped women from prostituting themselves, stopped men from pimping & drug dealing and made clean & sober human being of ALL of them who followed his leadership. Every one of us had a black inferiority complex (speaking of mental) which was brought on by OVER 400 years of white supremacy. He got us out of that! So show & prove...
@7thJewelProductions I keep saying that I agree with the fact that Elijah's plan was EXCELLENT for self development. But that is where the buck stops. A man can not be GOD with a misdemeanor or felony record. I'm sorry brother there is no way I can rap my brain around that.
@moneyright22 You don't have to "wrap your brain around that". First of all its not true, BUT if you choose to believe that, that's your problem. No one is asking you to join the NOI & accept what we believe. But we have a plan that is open to our people of any or even no faith, you just have to want to see the uplift of Black people. If that's you, find one of the 9-Ministries you feel you'll be of most service & get in where you fit in.
@moneyright22 Furthermore, the BIGGER point which you AGAIN ignored one month later, is that what the Hon. Elijah Muhammad did was NOT DONE BY ANY Black organization up to that time. SCLC, SNCC, CORE, BPP, NAACP & before these not the Hon. Marcus Garvey's movement nor Noble Drew Ali's movement even came CLOSE to accomplishing what the NOI accomplished in OVERTLY racist white America! That was a miracle in this country & you can't see it because of your own BRAINWASHED prejudice against the NOI.
@7thJewelProductions I recognize he bought farmland. I recognize that he allowed the NOI to sit across the table from the Klan to purchase farmland. There is no comparison between Kings and Elijah's accomplishments. King's accomplishments helped MILLIONS of blacks, including Muslims. That purchased farmland only helped NOI members, not any other black people. That farmland isn't helping one person today. Kings accomplishments are. Purchased farmland is a very weak argument
@moneyright22 What a warped & myopic perception you have. Our teaching of Black Consciousness fed the Black Power movement of the '60's as well as the so-called Black Liberation Theology of the Christian Church, who up until then ONLY saw Jesus & the other dominant characters in the Bible as a white man/white men. You're right about one thing (though you have it twisted) There IS NO comparison between MLK's & THEM's accomplishments; THEM's were GREATER & FAR REACHING!
@moneyright22 You're the type to argue "well we have a black president now. surely that's progress" Oh really? What good has having a black president been when black men between the ages of 18-40 have a 30% unemployment rate in many states? What about racially biased Black/Latino imprisonment? MLK sure would be proud...NOT!!! The ONLY solution is complete separation in a state or territory of our own, where we could do for ourselves & be successful!
@7thJewelProductions and your the type to never give a black man credit who isn't Muslim. That black president 'inherited' that employment rate from a devil. That black/latino imprisonment rate, again inherited from a devil. GEORGE BUSH!! You speak of Separation but what about the plan of action once separation is accomplished. THERE IS NONE. It's a goal that is like reaching for the stars with your bare hands. What makes you any better if you don't even support a black man who is trying.
@moneyright22 No plan of action? LMAO!!! You OBVIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about the current NOI & our plans. Black people are so dead mentally that we refuse to even fathom
And what makes YOU any better for not giving PROPER credit where PROPER credit is due. Your half-hearted acknowledgment of what the NOI did speaks to your own hypocrisy (as far as not supporting THEM for even trying to raise us up)! Your laughable comparison of MLK to THEM is insane at the root!!
@7thJewelProductions what's the plan of action. Seperation and then what? If that farmland and schools are so supportive. Why hasn't anyone outside of the NOI ever heard of it. Why doens't any other black person recognize it. How about you take 10 minutes off and go google some other bogus website that may help your weak arguments.
@moneyright22 Join on & find out what the action plan is! Read Message to the Blackman & start on pg 192 Economic Program section & end in the section Land of OUR OWN Qualifications ending on page 247. That's our plan & program. Our lack of unity (for example your own personal reason for NOT wanting to support the NOI) is what keeps us as a whole moving backwards. This is one of the reasons the Hon. Louis Farrakhan created the 9-Ministries to take that excuse from U. Its for Muslim & non-Muslim
@moneyright22 And another thing, the supermarkets were in BLACK neighborhoods & they not only employed Muslims, but others in the community as well. The farmland? Guess where the produce from the farmland was distributed? The Muslim community supermarkets across the country where ALL people (even whites) patronized. Our restaurants served the community they were in as well; FEEDING THEM! And the farmland IS STILL available & feeing our people. Check out muhammadfarms(dot)com & noimoa(dot)com
@7thJewelProductions I keep telling you I recognize the purchased farmland but I guarantee you that working their for minium wage is not helping a black man a great deal. Is the owner a NON MUSLIM. HELL NO! You Know And I know it. Does the owner pay taxes to devils in the government. HELL YES. That website doesn't do Muhammad Farms any justice.
@moneyright22 And I keep telling you it was MORE than farmland & supermarkets. There were Islamic schools across the country (K to HS), business offices, real estate, welding, transportation, canning factories, cleaners, tailors, barbershops, book stores, bakeries, printing presses, even banking! There's almost no aspect of business that was not operated by the NOI. And look at you, condemning a website by its LOOKS! Exactly the ridiculousness I'm talking about! BUY something man! Support!
@moneyright22 Furthermore, why do you ASSUME they work for minimum wage? Can you prove that?? And damn, even if it is minimum wage, if they HAVE a job is that not better than UNEMPLOYMENT??? You're warped man & your perception of reality is ridiculous!! Slow yourself down! Its OBVIOUS you don't know ANYTHING about the NOI, then or now. Take another month off like you did before, regroup, get your information together, then come back again & see me.
@7thJewelProductions It's OBVIOUS I know alot more than you do about you own organization. I don't have to take a month off or regroup bc I can go directly to the source to get my information. The reason why you say the comparison of MLK and The NOI is laughable bc you know there is no comparison. I half-hearted acknowledge THEM's accomplishments bc they haven't accomplished anything in the grand scheme of things. Farmland, and schools for MUSLIMS only doesn't help anyone as a hole.
@moneyright22 OBVIOUS? You've said NOTHING that shows you REMOTELY know ANYTHING legitimate about the NOI. What do you know? What have you said? Bro, I listed MAD businesses that the NOI had. Name businesses that MLK opened. Name schools that MLK opened. Inform me about the farmland & supermarkets that MLK & the SCLC opened nationally. YOU CAN'T! MLK was an EXCELLENT speaker! No one could take that from him. But his legacy was "I have a dream". Sad. He & SCLC built nothing & that's my point.
@moneyright22 And as far as the website, why don't YOU help to make it better if it doesn't suit YOUR taste? As much as YOU reject us, this is for YOU too! If you can design a better website or know someone who can, instead of CRITICIZE why don't you HELP with a solution YOU provide?? THAT'S our problem in a nutshell. We're too busy doing mental masturbation in our own ideology (producing NOTHING) instead of coming together for one common cause; the elevation of Black & other people of color.
@moneyright22 Also, the NOI opened businesses across the country which employed the members of the NOI as well as non members. Those schools, farms, supermarkets, printing plants, business offices, restaurants, etc. all employed Black people in & out of the NOI. We were/are a NATION & function as such.
As far as Farrakhan I know what you're referring to. That was not an admission of guilt, if it was, why isn't he in jail? The Black consciousness taught by the NOI inspired Black Christin theolgy
@moneyright22 As much as the FBI was spying on the HEM, if he ordered Malcolm's murder he would have been locked up. If the HMLF had anything to do with Malcolm's death, he would have been locked up. If Malcolm totally disbelieved in the HEM, why did he take on the name that the HEM was to give him ? If he changed his view on whites, why did he continue to call them devils till the day he died? How many times did Malcolm go the Mecca? Once? No! Twice! First in '59. What changed in '64?
The preponderance of evidence has shown that Malcolm realized he was wrong, was manipulated by his emotions, and the FBI, and had police informants and agents placed around him right up to the very moment of his death. He did not find racial harmony in Arabia in 1964 because there's not racial harmony in Arabia for Black people yet today in 2011. Hadjj is a 4 day ritual, not everyday Islamic life in the Arab world. Let's not get Hadjj confused w/ everyday racial harmony.
It's already a known fact that Malcolm was trying to reconcile w/the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. This audio is only one piece of supporting evidence that only adds to a more complete picture of this chapter of Malcolm's life. This audio, by no means, stands alone as an isolated piece. Use your analytical skills to piece together w/all the other parts of this history! Not your emotions!
@saintbradford Nope...its obviously not the whole tape, but it is a complete thought. I like that you don't believe me. Do research for yourself & I will suggest you start with Gil Noble whose tv show "Like It Is" has played audio & read one of many letters Malcolm wrote to the Hon. Elijah Muhammad around April & May of 1964 AFTER he left the NOI. Gil Noble is a good brother, but he's not Muslim nor does he have NOI sympathies, making him an excellent unbiased reference to begin with.
@7thJewelProductions I don't know. Even if it were authentic, it definatley SOUNDS like its spliced. I'm sure that's Malcolm's voice, but I think the first part is from when he was suspended. After 1:20, the tone of the voice changes and it sounds like it's from a different recording. I'm not even saying Malcolm didn't apologize, I'm just saying that this video is pretty poor evidence for that.
@saintbradford When malcolm X said i would understand if you wouldnt forgive me, that suggested he did something more than just obey an order it seems logical that he was apologizing for something more along the lines of an attack.
@BXGUY73 Typical response to someone who can't disprove the authenticity of something, they make fun of it. SMH....doesn't make it any less true though. Go watch "Like It Is" with Gil Noble & see his archive which contains multiple audio of Malcolm begging the Hon. Elijah Muhammad to be forgiven. What a shame people don't even know history...
@7thJewelProductions Sorry but with all the modern audio manipulation techniques, I just don't believe it. You can take it or leave it alone. I do know history, of course I don't know everything because there is soo much. I just do not choose to believe this tape. If you want to believe it, go ahead. Not me. Peace be upon you.
@BXGUY73 No hard feelings; everybody won't accept it. Doesn't make it any less true, but as I said, search for Gil Noble's Like It Is piece SPECIFICALLY on the audio tapes & letters Malcolm wrote to the Hon. Elijah Muhammad asking to come back in to the NOI. Gil Noble is probably the best choice because he's not Muslim. I may break down & put that out there myself if its not available. Let me know if you can't find it because then I will put that up too.
@brett19661 Learn how to spell first...you're a LIAR, for saying the Hon. Elijah Muhammad is a "lier and a rapist". Too bad you're attempting to be ignorant, I WAS willing to converse with you, but alas...
@infox1000 You see orthodox Islam is a third world religion (old world). This is the new world (America) and ancient beliefs and rituals don't work here. The Quran has teachings for the new world but they are never practice by muslims in the new world. Malcom went backwards out of confusion. I think Elijah was on point in his teachings but he made some mistakes along the way. Malcom was on point until he became confused. No one loved this more than the Arabs. They are so wrong.
@infox1000 Yes true Islam is based on Quran but orthodox muslim's believe more in the hadiths than the Quran. This is why they are broken off into factions and can't agree on the teachings of the prophet. Same thing with the christians. So malcom went from one confusion to another one. I felt sorry for Malcom because he meant well. So-called true Islam is not the answer in it's present state. It's not doing the Arabs any good. Fooling around with orthodox Islam got Malcom killed.
@infox1000 True Islam! If orthodox Islam is true Islam they wouldn't be at war with one another. Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace. Where is the peace in your true Islam? It was the so-called true Isalm that got Malcom killed. I understand your love for anything that don't represent black people in America. I guess we all need to start acting like Arabs so we can be accepted into so-called true Islam. lol
@khaleda1 Sorry to burst your bubble, but this IS Malcolm X circa 1964. If you do some research, you'll know Malcolm made SEVERAL audio tapes as well as written letters apologizing to the Hon. Elijah Muhammad & asking to be restored as a member.
@lebaneseprince25 Yes, I believe this is before his hajj, but after his trips to Mecca, Egypt, Iran, Syria, and Ghana back in July 1959. Though he went to Mecca in 1959, he didn't make hajj until 1964, and if I'm not mistaken this tape (and others) were made just prior to his hajj.
MALCOLM X: "No, Elijah Muhammad himself will never change. At least I doubt it. He's too old, dogmatic, and has already gone too far in teaching that he is a greater prophet than Muhammad ibn Abdullah. He is too proud to confess to his followers now that he has deliberately taught them falsehood."
The Last Interview
Malcolm X, Al-Muslimoon Staff (from the Malcolm X Museum)
@VoyageIslam I'm not going to do you like you did me. You deleted my comment when I challenged your OPINION (not facts) of Master Fard Muhammad & the truth of how we view Him; the view I presented is Islamically sound.
Now, as for Malcolm, on 2/20/1965 (the day BEFORE he was killed) Malcolm said to Alex Haley over the phone "The more I keep thinking about...the things that have been happening lately, I'm not at all sure its the Muslims...they CAN'T do some of the stuff RECENTLY GOING ON..."
@7thJewelProductions Your argument is a straw man attempting to confront a point I had not presented. The letter above proves Malcolm viewed Elijah Poole as a false prophet which he was.
@VoyageIslam Malcolm's view of Allah's Messenger, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, is of no concern to me. I don't worship Malcolm nor do I act as though Malcolm had no teacher who cleaned him up like he cleaned up every other pimp, hustler & drug addict. Malcolm was all of those & it wasn't until he became a follower of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad did he become an upright man & have a platform to speak from that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad provided for him. The sunni's were NOT trying to reform black people
@VoyageIslam Further, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad did not consider himself a prophet nor did we/do we recognize him as such. He was & is Allah's Messenger. As America is the apex of evil of ALL the evil nations in both Bible & Qur'an, & if Allah sent a messenger to those nations, He was DUTY BOUND to send someone here. As you know, Prophet Muhammad was the final PROPHET, not the final MESSENGER...two different titles/positions.
@SuperProphet100Some people just don't understand our Love for Min. Farrakhan. They wait until a person is no longer amongst the living, then they want to give the praise, Frederick Douglas and all the great leaders you named had naysayers. And not one of them taught the message that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad is teaching through the Hon. Min. Louis Farrakhan.
Sir, I too love Farrakhan and believe me i'm not trying to change your mind because I know how some of you think when it comes to the learders of the NOI. I have to respectfully disagree with you aswell because I don't look up to no man not even Farrakhan, who I love.I'm not having it both ways because God is one way.Again i've grew out of religion into the one God.
Sir, The message That Elijah taught was nothing new, it might been new to you and alot of others but we have had a lot of leaders in past times teaching like that.Blacks just like white people are hardheaded and they foreget times past, look the black man been around for ever,do you really believe Elijah was the first to teach like that? Drew Ali taught like that and many more in black nationalism & Moors.
You have a right to your opinion, I just disagree. And you have said nothing to change my mind. You can't have it both ways, "I fight with and for the NOI but please stop worshiping religion because that's just what you're doing. Islam is not a religion but a way of life. We worship no one but Allah.
Sir, I hope you understand i'm not trying to anger you just enlighten you on somethings I feel you need to know.
Now sir i'm going to try to say this with as much love as I can, listening to you, you sound like Farrakhan and i'm sure Farrakhan want you to speak for self.
Put aside what you've heard about "Islam not a religion but a way of life" and listen to ALLAH who said "I have completed my favour on you and choosen Islam as your RELIGION" (Sura 5:3). It's a good way to live.
The man named himself, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. Is not the Shabazz in his name referencing a teaching he received from The Most Honorable? If not, please inform me of who else teaches about "Shabazz" in the Muslim world.
If this is authentic, it means absolutely nothing. Malcolm X was slienced in december of 1963, he was still a member of the Nation of Islam. He left by March 1964. It is not impossible that he felt apologetic about the words that he had said about JFK in 1964 before he left the nation of Islam. Furthermore, this recording has nothing in it to give us a true idea of its time period, all we have is a recording which seems to change tempo or mood at 3 points. This is not a valid historical artifact
@phillysipha I suggest you purchase a DVD entitled "Malcolm X vs the NOI" by Lance Shabazz. It contains EXTREMELY rare clips from both Malcolm & many insiders within the NOI. This DVD addresses this very subject & you can hear Malcolm himself & those who were around the Hon. Elijah Muhammad during that time. Your opinion not withstanding, cut up or not, this IS a valid historical artifact.
@phillysipha The man named himself, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. Is not the Shabazz in his name referencing a teaching he received from The Most Honorable? If not, please inform me of who else teaches about "Shabazz" in the Muslim world.
@BlacksAreBeautiful Sure his last name is related to some teachings of Elijah Muhammad...Ok and...I fail to understand your point for mentioning that. I wouldn't be suprised if it turned out that there were still some erroneous beliefs that Malcolm X still held onto before his death but that does not mean that he was still a follower of Elijah Muhmmad.
@phillysipha Actually it appears as though you understand my point very well and this is why you tried to offer up some explanation for it. Bottom line is, you want to dismiss this apology as either fabricated, or made while he was still technically a member of the Nation. To make my point clear, it's obvious by the name HE CHOSE for himself, that he NEVER denounced the teachings from The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
@BAB lets establish reality. Nothing is ever completely black and white. No matter where you look in the universe there is evidence of truth. If you were to examine all the beliefs of a white supremicist group you can find nuggets of truth, likewise if you examine the statements of Elijah M. you would find the same. But this does not mean that his message in its entirety is THE TRUTH. Human beings learn and grow with age, It is safe to say that upon his death malcolm was still learning...
@phillysipha Nuggets of truth in white supremacist teachings? That doesn't even make sense. Please provide examples. The Teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad are THE TRUTH. He taught us the Black man is the original man; is that a lie? He taught us astronomy; is that a lie? He taught us genetics, physics, quantum mechanics, history & more all within our Lessons which were revealed to him by W.D. Fard in 1931. Are those sciences lies or did we get an expanded understanding of what Islam encompas
@7thJewelProductions White supremicist groups believe that poor and working class whites need to work as a collective in order to build community and by doing so they uplift the condition of the white race. Because honestly speaking most white supremicist groups are overwhelmingly composed of poor and worker class white people and they have serious issues that stem from the lack of a true community. honestly, we have more in common with them than most rich black and white people.
@phillysipha That's not white supremacy; unity among self is common sense & universal in its scope, not myopic as white supremacy is. White supremacy is the INCORRECT notion of supremacy due to one being caucasian. There is NO nugget of truth in that or remotely related to that idea. Malcolm would agree with me on this.
@7thJewelProductions The Science is not a lie but the idea that W.D. Fard Muhammad is Allah, astagfirullah!!! THAT IS A LIE and if you die upon that you are amongst the inhabitants of Jahanem because this is Shirk. But im no longer gonna entertainment this conversation. If you are searching for the truth Go to the authentic sources: Qur'an and Sunnah (Bukhari and Muslim). Im done. May Allah(swt).
@phillysipha The Science is correct & our understanding of W.D. Fard being the Great Mahdi is correct as well. Time will tell & Allah will decide wherein you & I differ. I suggest YOU study the FULL meanings of mutma'innah & Mahdi & the term "khalifa of Allah" & see how they ALL correlate in us recognizing the divine in man, specifically W.D. Fard.
@phillysipha While your explanation may apply in some instances, White Supremacy is not one. That is 100% falsehood. However, I will grant you that most philosophies are usually hybrid. Falsehood and truth wrapped in, but there is NO ONE else on earth teaching about the Tribe of Shabazz EXCEPT The Messenger. So why would Malcolm accept something that is truly UNIQUE to the teachings of MFM? The answer is clear, since the teaching of Shabazz is very near to the core of these teachings!
@BlacksAreBeautiful White supremicist groups believe that poor and working class whites need to work as a collective in order to build community and by doing so they uplift the condition of the white race. Because honestly speaking most white supremicist groups are overwhelmingly composed of poor and worker class white people and they have serious issues that stem from the lack of a true community. honestly, we have more in common with them than most rich black and white people.
@BlacksAreBeautiful Again the answer to your question is that Malcolm X was nurtured by the ideas of the NOI for a significant part of his life. He was only a sunni muslim for less than a year when he was assissinated. There is no doubt that it is possible that there were remnants of NOI in Malcolm X's thinking. but again this doeas not necessitate that he was a follower of NOI when he died.
I never made the claim that he was a follower of the NOI when he died. I just thought the selection of the name Shabazz gives us a glimpse of what was in his heart. Less than a year? It took a lot less time than that for him to go to Mike W. & slander THEM before the world. There were some major inconsistencies in his speeches and I'm not sure they were of his own doing. For instance, he had already visited Mecca in 1959 and saw white Muslims, so why the apparent surprise when he saw them again?
I sure hope this religion forgives people for their ignorance because sometimes people do not understand them but when they do understand they support them. Human beings will make mistakes or misunderstand but I do think violence could not help make things better in the end.
@Mothertahirah And that to you is proof? Why did they catch TWO assassins at the scene, but later only reported one? The other one dipped into a police car never to be seen again. Why did Talmadge Hayer admit in open court that the two known NOI members they "caught" after the fact, were NOT on the hit squad? In fact Hayer gave the names of those men & they were NEVER apprehended. Malcolm's own bodyguard admitted the other 2 were NOT THERE! FBI had agents POSING AS NOI MEMBERS & THEY killed MX.
unless that is nation of islam reject the verse from the quran
as for this tape i dunno who said it when it was recorded but if the person truely believes wd fard is Allah. ( malcolm x or anyone else) they are not muslims that adhere to the Qu'ran
unless that is nation of islam reject the verse from the quran
as for this tape i dunno who said it when it was recorded but if the person truely believes wd fard is Allah. ( malcolm x or anyone else) they are not muslims that adhere to the Qu'ran
@CaptainKashmir Do you accept belief in the Mahdi? Why is man called the Khalifa of Allah? The Mahdi is the Supreme Khalifa of Allah. What is a Muslim? One who submits his will to do the Will of Allah. That's a process that begins when we take shahada & ends when we are in PERFECT SUBMISSION to Allah. Being Muslim means we ultimately die to our own will & become living manifestations of Allah's Will in our person. W.D. Fard is NOT the Creator however He has completed this journey & is Mahdi.
secondly yes i believe in the mahdi refered to in the hadith. i also believe the madhi will come and unite the muslims to lead an army against the antichrist and will recognize jesus (isa) as the messiah returned. i also believe he will be of arab lineage and have the same name as the promised prophet and his father will have the same name as the prophets father.
are you claiming the mahdi and wd fard are one in the same?
@CaptainKashmir Yes sir that's exactly what we're claiming. His full name is Wali Fard Muhammad and we believe Him to be the Great Mahdi that was predicted. He fulfills all the requirements that is said of the Mahdi (being of the Prophet's family, named Muhammad, etc). The Mahdi will challenge the wicked rulers of this world & destroy them. The anti-christ is not a man necessarily, but a group of individuals united under a common banner of global domination at the expense of the poor.
@7thJewelProductions sorry but i have to disagree here dajjal is specifically reffered to as an indivudual with one eye. he has been described as his actions leading people astray, the word kaffir written on his forhead etc. these can not be attributed to group of individuals but rather to an indivual alone
and where is isa in all this did wd fard recognize isa? if so why did isa as not destroy dajjal as it has been prophesized?
@CaptainKashmir I see that as being symbolic. It could very well be an individual who will lead the wicked, but what is a known reality is the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati, & other powerful wealthy families who control the finances of governments. These are groups of individuals who are wicked & whose intentions are to rule "infinitely" & subjugate the poor. That's where Mahdi & Messiah come in. They come to break the power of the dajjal (be it an individual or group) governments will be sat down
@7thJewelProductions did wd fard fulfill the prophecy in the hadith for example the mahdis army has been noted to ride from khorasan that is east iran, afghanistan.or he will face an army in syria that will be swallowed by the ground. where these prophecies and all the other prophecies about the mehdi fulfilled by wd fard?
@CaptainKashmir Honestly, not that I know of. That portion may still yet be fulfilled. I do know that aside from the "known" Nation of Islam, there is a military that is under His strict order & direction & when He (Wali Fard Muhammad aka W.D. Fard) gives the order, they will attack.
@MrPersia23 You're a FAKE muslim talking like that. You only show your ignorance when you can only use profanity and NOT TRUTH to back up your statements. SMH...
7thJewelProductions 1 month ago
Any deity name we give the free thinking spirit and creator is one and the same as human just like animals dont know how we got here. Science & Religion with its best philosopher's hypothesis has nothing more than theories once you go back as far a the written word takes you. Translations, and langauge is the barrier of understanding the truth. We must CHOOSE to believe and live in righteousness, respect, love, and kindness. Death should only occur as a direct threat in survial of the species.
LoveAffairsTube 2 months ago
@7thjewel I find it hard to believe that any man would want to return to a group which he had accused of setting a fire that almost killed him and his family, which is an accusation he never recanted, nor did he say that the n.o.i wasn't trying to kill him.what he did say was that they weren't the ONLY ones wanted him dead and that the f.b.i was indeed instigating the conflict and thus allowing n.o.i members ( notice I never said Elijah himself) the opportunity to kill him. He also said the c.i
SuperSincere1 3 months ago
@SuperSincere1 Actually, Malcolm DID say NOI wasn't trying to kill him. Its in his autobiography & there's a website brothermalcolm. net, under "Chronology" & then "1965" 2/20/1965 (the night BEFORE he was killed) in a phone conversation with Alex Haley he said "the more I keep thinking about this thing the things that have been happening lately, I'm not at all sure it's the Muslims. I know what they can & can't do & some of the stuff Recently going on...I'm going to quit saying its the Muslims"
7thJewelProductions 3 months ago
Elijah's followers love this to post this video as if Malcolm was trying to come back into the fold of the n.o.i,but they never post the date in which this recording was actually made. If you know the history of this conflict you'll also know that Malcolm didn't leave the nation, he was put out the nation and when first got put out he did want to come back 4 he did still love Elijah. Mind you this was before attempts was made on his life(families life) and the true extent of elijah's domestic s
SuperSincere1 4 months ago
@SuperSincere1 I do not know the exact date, but suffice it to say it was during his suspension, which was from the end of 11/1963 thru to the time he left in 3/1964; BEFORE his 2nd trip to Mecca, where he had his so-called "epiphany" about white people. Gil Noble of "Like it Is" made several shows over the years explaining how MX made SEVERAL tapes & letters asking the Hon. Elijah Muhammad to let him back in the NOI
On 2/20/65 MX said to Alex Haley he knew the Muslims wasn't trying to kill him
7thJewelProductions 4 months ago
How did you get this recording?
Zakariah1971 5 months ago
@Zakariah1971 I copied it from another brother who had it. I never asked him how he got it though.
7thJewelProductions 5 months ago
REST IN PEACE BROTHER MALIK THE AFROAMERICAN MUST BE MUSLIM ALLAHU AKBAR ONE RELIGION ONE UMMAH ONE GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!
Albozzionkillah 5 months ago
He belives he was a prophet of allah?Subhanallah...."Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things. S. 33:40
SamiYusuf21 5 months ago
misrepresented how dude? I mean lets get real here. Muslims don't let women show their faces why???? Ok, and bigamy is against the LAW in this country. And by the way dude, all WHITE PEOPLE are not devils, there just NOT. Some of them are certifiably evil, but there not DEVILS. that's actually racist. I dunno who Elijah thought he was, but what he did to his wife was WRONG! I suggest you read the book "The rise and fall of Elijah Muhammad". It's hard for people to respect a man, who did that.
jtimes 5 months ago
@jtimes He purposely misrepresented the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's relationship to these women by calling them his "teenaged secretaries" when NONE of them were teenagers at the time AND that they were his WIVES. MX knew that but he chose to use salacious language.
I know ALL white people are NOT devils. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught in "Our Saviour Has Arrived" that righteous whites will see the Hereafter. Blackness is NOT a "get into Heaven card". Righteousness is the standard we will be judged
7thJewelProductions 5 months ago
... Follow NOI, first of all this is not before he died, he converted to an orthodox before he died. and second Malcom realized the mistake he died by following elijah muhammad. In my opinion Malcom was right to make this decision and Elijah said he died lost and a hypocrite is wrong, Elijah and his teachings were wrong. But In conclusion this apology WAS NOT made before his assasination as he converted to orthodox before he died and did not believe in any of what he said in this record b4hedied
bEaTzPuRe 6 months ago
@bEaTzPuRe Well, you're welcome to your OPINION but the FACT is this (and SEVERAL other tapes) was made in 1964. I can't confirm whether or not this was prior to his trip to Mecca but it was certainly during the spring of 1964. Proof of these & other such tapes was evidenced by the journalist Gil Noble in one of his many documentaries on the life of Malcolm. Now do you have any proof to support your OPINION?
Further, MX believed Elijah & then DISbelieved him; therefore that makes him hypocrite
7thJewelProductions 6 months ago
@7thJewelProductions No, converting to another religion doesn't make you a hypocrite, You might say what he preached, he turned against, but at the time of his preaching he didn't really know the right path as he said himself and was a "zombie"... Now lemme ask you this, Have you heard of Warith Deen Mohammad, Elijah's son who converted to orthodox, he said that he asked his mother do you believe in W.D fard Muhammad and she denied.... watch the video but does that make his son a hypocrite? nooo
bEaTzPuRe 6 months ago
@bEaTzPuRe Sir, when you say you believe something & then later say you DISbelieve that's a textbook definition of a hypocrite. And in answer of your question (I saw the video you're referring to) yes, the Imam WAS a hypocrite also. Sorry. Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into what Imam Warith Deen said anytime after 1963 in regards to the NOI. He's lied before on his own father so its not much of a stretch to believe he would lie on his mother to make a point. He lied Saviour's Day 1975.
7thJewelProductions 6 months ago
@7thJewelProductions Wait a minute dude. Did Elijah muhammad have babies with his secretaries or NOT? And if so, are you gonna stand here and DEFEND THAT?
jtimes 5 months ago
@jtimes Yes he did & yes I am. However, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad MARRIED all those women he had children with. In Islam, men are allowed to have more than one wife (as is written in the Qur'an). Malcolm purposely misrepresented the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's relationship with these women.
7thJewelProductions 5 months ago
@7thJewelProductions how can you talk about the quran when you believe a man is Allah!
touggie2000 5 months ago
@touggie2000 Quite easily actually, because we believe that man (Wali Fard Muhammad) is the Great Mahdi, the Supreme Khalifah of Allah. He's NOT the Creator, nor do we acknowledge Him as such, but He is One in such supreme submission to Allah, He is the physical manifestation of Allah's Will in flesh. Qur'anically speaking, 19:17 Allah's Spirit appeared to Mary in the form (or in the Person) of a well made man.
7thJewelProductions 5 months ago
@touggie2000 If Allah is not a man, then what is "He"? I hope you are prepared to answer this question, if not, then I suggest to you to be quiet...in a nice way!!!
jacksondarryl34 4 months ago
@jacksondarryl34 Do u believe Allah is perfect? surely u should! do u believe Allah Exist? surely u do! Do u believe Allah can die? surely u don't! Man is not perfect ,man exist but they will absolutely will die in due time!!!!! with that being said if your not ready to except this then your night worth the time.Allah created the universe in everything in it! what man u know can do this if u know one why can he not duplicate or control this creation?
touggie2000 4 months ago
@touggie2000 If Allah is not a man, then what is he? you have not answered the question! If Allah created a universe that is material, yet he is not, how could this be? When did HE set up the LAW Of Life and Death? What is Spirit? can spirit manifest itself without material? How was Material formed? The Quran states that man comes from Allah and to him you will return! How? How can Allah speak? yet he is some spook or formless entity? Black people dont die! we are alpha and omega!!
jacksondarryl34 4 months ago
@jacksondarryl34 No "man" can explain in exact detail what allah looks like or his state of being! your question are so stupid i almost dont want to believe u are serious! when did he set up life and how cann spirit manifest itself without material?? like what are u talking about? ALLAH created all that you spea your GOD IS A MAN THAT IS DEAD! when does his spirit manifest itself where is your GOD NOW?? black people dont die are u insane? where in the quran or the hadith does it back your idea?
touggie2000 4 months ago
@touggie2000 "how can spirit manifest itself without material??" Spoken like someone who DOESN'T know physics.
Do you know what dark matter is? Do you know what matter/energy is? Matter/energy is all around you right now. Dark matter makes of over 86% of the entire universe yet it is undetectable by normal methods. They know of its existence by examining the things dark matter affects. Too bad you were so belligerent in my other page, we could have had an exchange.
7thJewelProductions 4 months ago
@touggie2000 You clearly dont know what you are talking about and you really dont want to have a non-emotional debate! Prior to the Influence of Greek hellenization, God was seen in a physical form! The God you worship is a manifestation of Plato!
jacksondarryl34 4 months ago
Let me straighten things out for people that don't know, Elijah mohammad was not an orthodox, he didn't teach the "right" Islam he taught the Islam that was under Wallace Fard Mohammad (NOI) or nation of Islam. Now some people say that muslims from saudi arabia or elsewhere killed Malcom X, but Malcom left NOI to join The orthodox Islam or Sunni's, But coming from a muslim here... I believe that there isn't NOI. If sunni Islam or the real Islam was established first then why would malcom...
bEaTzPuRe 6 months ago
@bEaTzPuRe In all actuality, it was CIA/FBI functionaries under COINTELPRO who assassinated MX. If you know your history, you'll know that the FBI/CIA infiltrated ALL black organizations at the time; NAACP, SCLC, SNCC, CORE, & the NOI among a few others. It was these illegitimate members who killed MX & left the blame on the NOI. Proof is the guy they caught at the scene named the names of his co-conspirators, but they were NEVER sought. Why? Because of their DIRECT connections to CIA/FBI.
7thJewelProductions 6 months ago
@7thJewelProductions Actually, Let's see the teacher of NOI, Elijah Muhammad, now you believe The CIA/FBI assassinated Malcom X themselves, BUT... Elijah said himself that it was "his foolish teachings that he followed that got him killed" now let's look deep into that... will anyone really believe in fate the Mal X just died because of CIA/FBI, it WAS legitimate members of NOI, and the police/CIA/FBI at that time were white, the blacks killed Malcom X for leaving NOI and joining the orthodox.
bEaTzPuRe 6 months ago
@bEaTzPuRe Explain this Thomas Hagan (murderer caught at the scene) NAMED THE NAMES of his co-conspirators & EXONERATED the 2 other men they arrested DAYS LATER who were legitimate NOI members. If the other men on the assassination squad were "legitimate members" then WHY weren't ANY of them arrested & charged? If they were "legitimate members" then the more NOI members the merrier, right?. But they did NOT? Why?? Because they were NOT legitimate members, but functionaries for FBI/CIA!
7thJewelProductions 6 months ago
@bEaTzPuRe Also, even if they kept the 2 men wrongly convicted in jail for as long as they did, WHY did they NEVER go after the men Thomas Hagan named?? Another little fact that you may NOT know, they caught TWO men at the Audubon that day. Thomas Hagan & ANOTHER man. The OTHER man was whisked away in an unmarked patrol car NEVER to be seen again. This man was one of those later named by Hagan, but he STILL was NOT arrested! They ALL had connections to the government!! Remember COINTELPRO??
7thJewelProductions 6 months ago
Malcolm X at the end returned back to lying and deceiving people for his advantage.
firstman5555 6 months ago
Above ALL, we as Black people, instead of focusing on integration, we NEED to focus ALL of our collective energies to Self Independence! Self Ownership! Self Governance! Not that we can't work with white people, but NOT to the degradation & negation of Self! Integration breeds that. We need our own! The Hon. Elijah Muhammad said himself, if you have a better plan for the resurrection of our people, he & his followers would follow that plan!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
The Hon. Elijah Muhammad's work was the upliftment of ALL Black people. The Black power movement of the 60's is the product of the NOI's teaching of Black. We were calling ourselves "BLACKMAN" when it was considered an insult to use the word Black with anything. If you called someone a "Black so & so" you were in for a fight! Blacks hated "Black". But because of the NOI's work of destroying Black inferiority, we have a self-esteem that wasn't there before. THAT is a superior accomplishment!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
Again, I'm not taking away any accomplishments away from the NOI!! My argument is Elijah Poole's plan was great for self development BUT that's were it stopped. The NOI had preached for and championed the killing of a fellow Black Man, who was a muslim. MLK NEVER did such a thing. Turn the other cheek, I'll pass. But you can't take away NOT ONE THING from the man's accomplishments that are still in place as we type.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 When you're calling him "Poole" you're being disrespectful. His name is the Hon. Elijah Muhammad! Get it right. 2nd the NOI never "championed the killing" of anyone. I won't deny there were a few zealots; every community has them. Again, you use the word accomplishments in reference to MLK. What did he do? Again, the ability to go to toilet with white people, sit & eat with them in the same restaurant or even marry them?? Those are NOT accomplishments! Name the benefits we enjoy?
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@WongOmowale MLK did give black people a sense of racial pride. That can be argued. If you talk to an old black person who was in the struggle they would argue he did. They would argue that his speeches did uplift black people as well. For example: The I Have A Dream Speach and The Last Speach he gave before he died. Uplifting brothers out of the ghetto and getting them off of drugs was a great SELF DEVELOPMENT PLAN. What I'm arguing is that besides that there was nothing else.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@WongOmowale I'm not taking away the accomplishments of the NOI. Their program was great for self development! But, that's it. When it came to Educational, Economical, or Social reforms, it lacked a great deal. The plan about separtism may have been good happy talk but it was an extremely far stretch from being accomplished then and now.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@WongOmowale And at the end of the day brother, since we have been removed from our true nature (which is perfect harmony with the creator in our persons) we were given the "rudder" of religion to guide us back to our perfected state again until we no longer need the "religious" aspect of it. You strike me as embracing our African traditions, so Omowale means "the child who has returned home". On the deepest sense it means returning to our true Self! That union with the Creator is the goal/home!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@WongOmowale Well brother, man in his perfected form IS a God. When man is in perfect harmony/union with the Creator, he transcends his mental state of existence & functions on a whole other level which is divine. Man (in his perfected state) is God on Earth & God is Man in Heaven (elevated mental state). As far as the prophets of the Bible, what are the principles they taught? The universal truths within SOME of their teachings are immutable & that is what we embrace. There's wisdom in it.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@WongOmowale You're looking at Islam on the surface brother. Islam means "submission to the Will of God". In whatever indigenous religion of Africa our ancestors practiced, the GOAL was communion/unity with the Great All/Creator/Nature. Islam as a "religion" is only 1400 years old, but Islam as a principle is older than the sun, moon & stars. That's why we say Islam is not of Arab origin. Even the Qur'an says "We gave you Islam AS a religion"; admitting its technically NOT a religion. It's deepr
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@WongOmowale we can agree to disagree. When u put MLK's accomplishments next to the nations there is no comparison. U mentioned the civil rights bill. No, it may not have changed a lot of issues that were wrong during those times, and some of those issues still exist today. But, it gave black people an option, and a platform to TRY to make some sort of chage. He helped ALL black people, Christian, Muslim, Buddist, etc. Elijah didn't accomplish one thing that can compare.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Integration is an option? During segregation, Black businesses THRIVED moreso then than they do today as we type! And you ADMIT that they "may not have changed a lot of issues..and some of those issues still exist today". So therefore AGAIN, what did he do?? That's what I mean, what were his long term accomplishments? You tout integration, but seeking approval & snuggling up to white people who didn't want us among them is only a good thing to someone with a slave mentality.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
As GREAT as Martin Luther King was he did NOT bring us true equality with whites. We can ONLY have true Freedom, Justice & Equality when we separate mentally & physically from a culture based on white supremacy. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad was not the first to do this (Marcus Garvey was) BUT the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was the most successful in terms of moral reform & having our own in a real sense. The amount of businesses & land OWNED by the NOI trumps anything ANYONE has EVER done for Black people
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
MLK was a great man but I disagree GREATLY with his method of non-violence in the face of violence. Even Malcolm said you don't speak the "language" of non-violence to a people whose "language" has only been violence. Integration with whites (& by extension a white supremacist culture) is NOT an accomplishment. Integrating lunch counters, bathrooms, water fountains or the ability to sit anywhere on a bus, or even the ability to vote for Lucifer, Satan; either way you're going to catch hell!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
There is no one who can argue the fact that MLK did more for blacks than any other organization. No supermarket or bogus farmland can compare. I don't agree with the turn the other cheek method. As I don't agree that Fard was ALLAH himself. If he was, all of ISLAM would recognize fard and Elijah Poole as his messenger. Allah was no criminal nor was he imprisoned for selling drugs to a undercover police officer. Fard did. If he was ALLAH Elijah Poole wouldn't have killed him. WAKE UP
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 The ONLY thing MLK did was make speeches. NOTHING of substance! What psycho-babble are you sputtering now? "If he was Allah, Elijah wouldn't have killed him"? What is that? Where are you getting your information from?? I've never seen someone with NO FOUNDATION of truth to stand on but still is attempting to put up a fight. You've proved NOTHING of what you said! I HAVE proved all! You say you don't believe in turn the other cheek but you may as well it matches what you been saying
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Furthermore, Master Fard Muhammad is the Great Mahdi, the Supreme Khalifah of Allah! Is He the Originator of the Heavens & the Earth? No! He is part of the creation, but because of His full & complete submission to Allah, Allah is IN His person. This fact is in Qur'an & Hadith! But you're not interested in facts, you want to promote lies; lies that you CANNOT prove (if you can PLEASE prove them). You're not interested in the resurrection of Black people you want tear REAL help down
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
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moneyright22 7 months ago
I await your offer to HELP the Nation of Islam instead of criticize it.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
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moneyright22 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions Thanks for the offer. But no thanks I will never help an organization that championed the killing of a black man who was a muslim. I can not help an organization who sat across the table from the same devils they preached so adament about. I can't!!! NEVER. You even admitted that the leader of a racist organization that killed blacks was allowed to speak at NOI rally's. Presently, I put my energy and support into an organization that helps all BLACK PEOPLE.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Whatever frumpy excuse you want to use to make you feel better about NOT helping an organization that has in IMPECCABLE & INCOMPARABLE record in actually HELPING the Black community. The white supremacists he ONLY INVITED TO A MEETING was to show that we were not interested in integrating with the white race. You apparently are...that's your business. LOL!! Yeah, I must be getting to your head because I NEVER said what you say I said. I told you to take a month off & regroup...LOL!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Son, if you have questions, all you need to do is ask. You've happened to stumble across the right one. My father walked with Malcolm X...he attended #7 when MX was minister. There are things that I know, that the average person wouldn't. I was born Muslim so there's not much you can ask me that I won't know, particularly about the NOI. But when I DON'T know something, I'm man enough to say "I don't know". You have been woefully misinformed. But I can help if you let me...
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
Oh, and to answer your other question, he's not a prophet in the Islamic sense. In the Islamic sense, he's a Messenger and even then only the educated acknowledge the distinct difference between prophet & messenger. There is only a cessation of prophets in Islam, but NOT messengers. Again, the wise acknowledge this, but the ignorant rank & file muslims make no such distinction. The wise acknowledge the existence of Mahdi & the reality of a supreme khalifah of Allah, which is what/who Fard is.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions Ok why doesn't all of ISLAM recognize him as a messenger. Why doesn't all of ISLAM recognize Fard. Are you saying all the practioners of ISLAM old and new, who are not in the Nation, are rank and file muslims. That number totals somewhere in the millions. Are you serious? If what you say about Fard IS TRUE! Why in the hell did he have a criminal record. GOD himself is not a convicted FELON bruh!
moneyright22 7 months ago
So what, he's apologizing to the man that order his murder. So what, he apologized to a man whose secrets he held tight as long as he could.
Then, and just like now, their are thousands of brain washed blackmen and women who followed Elijah Muhammad. A man's whose name is nowhere mentioned in the Koran. But he's the messenger. Yea Ok!!
moneyright22 9 months ago 7
@moneyright22 You have proof he ordered his murder? An audio tape, or a hand written note, or perhaps an eyewitness? Surely you're not going by your "opinion"?
I love the way people throw brain washed around, but there was no organization (then or now) who did more good for black people than the NOI. Islam in America stands on the foundation that this man, the Messenger of Allah, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad & his followers established. America is not mentioned by name either, but she's signifigant
7thJewelProductions 9 months ago
@7thJewelProductions America, are we having the same conversation? 1st, if Elijah was a prophet his name would be recognized by all ISLAM. 2nd, Farakhan spoke on it and he didn't deny it, look it up. 3rd, Elijah's program is/was great for self development, BUT THAT'S IT. Compared to MLK and the civil rights movement it did nothing for black people. There were no social, educational, economic, political laws or programs put into effect bc of Elijah's message. Name 1 that helped all blk pl.
moneyright22 9 months ago
@moneyright22 Elijah's name is mentioned in Malachi 4:5 in the Bible. In the Qur'an 53:1-6 is talking about Elijah as he is the only Messenger to be taught from the FACE of God. The Qur'an is replete with verses stating that "EVERY nation receives a Messenger"; every nation would include America. The NOI established schools ACROSS THE COUNTRY. He purchased farmland in several states & opened supermarkets across the country in which he sold the produce. MLK & the SCLC did NONE of those things.
7thJewelProductions 9 months ago
@7thJewelProductions but are those supermarkets opened until this day. NO! Does the farmland he purchased still exist NO! And if you believe that Elijah Muhammed is who they are speaking about in the bible, you are about as brainwashed as the rest. WHY DOESN"T ISLAM RECOGNIZE HIM AS THE PROPHET. WHY DOESN"T ISLAM RECOGNIZE FARD AS ALLAH HIMSELF. If these two are who you said they are ALL of Islam would recognize them but the nation as well.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Don't know if you know the history, but after the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's son assumed leadership of the NOI, he made RADICAL changes in not only the ideology of the NOI, but economic changes as well. He BROKE the NOI, sold the farmland (some of which we now have back), sold the businesses (some of which we have back now), so Min. Farrakhan's effort is a rebuilding effort. And why are you IGNORING the magnitude of what he did?? ONLY with Allah's ACTIVE Will could he be successful!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions I admit and have commented that Elijah's Plan was great for self devolopment but that's it. His plan did not help pass any laws, rules, or regulations that help blacks as a whole. There were no economic, social, or educational programs that were put into effect on a national level because of Elijah or the NOI. And if you were not a NOI member or follower his plan was no good to you bc he wouldn't even help you. If you werenot a member you wasn't even recognized.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 That's the purpose of HAVING a NATION! You don't BEG white people to change laws for us, you FORGE your own way!! MLK was a slave & Malcolm correctly said as much. You people want INTEGRATION with your slavemaster & his children. We want complete SEPARATION so our whole mindset is different. Black people were/are ALL welcome to join on to their own kind. THEM tried to forge alliances with the black leadership back then but THEY were too scared of what whites would think to join up.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 And what good was MLK's accomplishment? We get to urinate next to white people? We get to eat at a lunch counter next to white people? We get to vote for devils who don't give a damn for us or our wretched condition as a people? They won't back a man who's got an actual plan for the resurrection of ALL of our people? Under segregation, Black businesses THRIVED!!! Go look that up! That's a FACT!!! When we got to pee-pee with whitey black businesses fell by the wayside.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions you seem like an intellgent person. Are you serious with this one. Come on know. Pee next to white people? Vote for devils? At least are givem the CHOICE to pee next to a devil, and then you can decide to PISS on him if you want. At least you have the option to vote. And if you decide to slap every devil who showed up to cast a ballot, then so be it. Before King you didn't have that option. Pee next to a devil sounds like you are stuck in the 40's bruh.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 So what did the civil rights movement accomplish that the white backlash of the '90's didn't take back?? Civil rights afforded us to go to toilet with white people! BIG DEAL!! We can EAT with white people...BIG DEAL!!!! We can ride in the FRONT of busses & sit where we want WITH WHITE PEOPLE! BIG DEAL!!! If we OWNED our own, it wouldn't even be an issue! We got more respect from kicking white people than you got from loving them! Don't argue man, just THINK!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions contributing to the website, GREAT POINT!! Although I disagree with your other arguments. That comment made a great deal of sense. I don't take pride in eating next to anyone. But At least it's an option. I can't support something I don't feel is going to help me and the other black people who are NON Muslims. I can't support an organization who has "kicked" more blacks than whites, physically and mentally.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 See, right there, if you knew so much about the NOI (past & present) you would know that the NOI has 9-Ministries that the public can get involved with.
"I don't take pride in eating next to anyone. But at least its an option"-But if we owned our own en-masse it wouldn't matter if we had that "option" or not. U said we "kicked more blacks than whites" That's crazy talk. Again the Black Pride movement was Fathered by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad who had been teaching Black since 1930.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 How has the NOI "kicked more blacks than whites physically & mentally"? I can't wait to hear this. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad took men & women off heroin, stopped women from prostituting themselves, stopped men from pimping & drug dealing and made clean & sober human being of ALL of them who followed his leadership. Every one of us had a black inferiority complex (speaking of mental) which was brought on by OVER 400 years of white supremacy. He got us out of that! So show & prove...
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions I keep saying that I agree with the fact that Elijah's plan was EXCELLENT for self development. But that is where the buck stops. A man can not be GOD with a misdemeanor or felony record. I'm sorry brother there is no way I can rap my brain around that.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 You don't have to "wrap your brain around that". First of all its not true, BUT if you choose to believe that, that's your problem. No one is asking you to join the NOI & accept what we believe. But we have a plan that is open to our people of any or even no faith, you just have to want to see the uplift of Black people. If that's you, find one of the 9-Ministries you feel you'll be of most service & get in where you fit in.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Furthermore, the BIGGER point which you AGAIN ignored one month later, is that what the Hon. Elijah Muhammad did was NOT DONE BY ANY Black organization up to that time. SCLC, SNCC, CORE, BPP, NAACP & before these not the Hon. Marcus Garvey's movement nor Noble Drew Ali's movement even came CLOSE to accomplishing what the NOI accomplished in OVERTLY racist white America! That was a miracle in this country & you can't see it because of your own BRAINWASHED prejudice against the NOI.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions I recognize he bought farmland. I recognize that he allowed the NOI to sit across the table from the Klan to purchase farmland. There is no comparison between Kings and Elijah's accomplishments. King's accomplishments helped MILLIONS of blacks, including Muslims. That purchased farmland only helped NOI members, not any other black people. That farmland isn't helping one person today. Kings accomplishments are. Purchased farmland is a very weak argument
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 What a warped & myopic perception you have. Our teaching of Black Consciousness fed the Black Power movement of the '60's as well as the so-called Black Liberation Theology of the Christian Church, who up until then ONLY saw Jesus & the other dominant characters in the Bible as a white man/white men. You're right about one thing (though you have it twisted) There IS NO comparison between MLK's & THEM's accomplishments; THEM's were GREATER & FAR REACHING!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 You're the type to argue "well we have a black president now. surely that's progress" Oh really? What good has having a black president been when black men between the ages of 18-40 have a 30% unemployment rate in many states? What about racially biased Black/Latino imprisonment? MLK sure would be proud...NOT!!! The ONLY solution is complete separation in a state or territory of our own, where we could do for ourselves & be successful!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions and your the type to never give a black man credit who isn't Muslim. That black president 'inherited' that employment rate from a devil. That black/latino imprisonment rate, again inherited from a devil. GEORGE BUSH!! You speak of Separation but what about the plan of action once separation is accomplished. THERE IS NONE. It's a goal that is like reaching for the stars with your bare hands. What makes you any better if you don't even support a black man who is trying.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 No plan of action? LMAO!!! You OBVIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about the current NOI & our plans. Black people are so dead mentally that we refuse to even fathom
And what makes YOU any better for not giving PROPER credit where PROPER credit is due. Your half-hearted acknowledgment of what the NOI did speaks to your own hypocrisy (as far as not supporting THEM for even trying to raise us up)! Your laughable comparison of MLK to THEM is insane at the root!!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions what's the plan of action. Seperation and then what? If that farmland and schools are so supportive. Why hasn't anyone outside of the NOI ever heard of it. Why doens't any other black person recognize it. How about you take 10 minutes off and go google some other bogus website that may help your weak arguments.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Join on & find out what the action plan is! Read Message to the Blackman & start on pg 192 Economic Program section & end in the section Land of OUR OWN Qualifications ending on page 247. That's our plan & program. Our lack of unity (for example your own personal reason for NOT wanting to support the NOI) is what keeps us as a whole moving backwards. This is one of the reasons the Hon. Louis Farrakhan created the 9-Ministries to take that excuse from U. Its for Muslim & non-Muslim
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 And another thing, the supermarkets were in BLACK neighborhoods & they not only employed Muslims, but others in the community as well. The farmland? Guess where the produce from the farmland was distributed? The Muslim community supermarkets across the country where ALL people (even whites) patronized. Our restaurants served the community they were in as well; FEEDING THEM! And the farmland IS STILL available & feeing our people. Check out muhammadfarms(dot)com & noimoa(dot)com
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions I keep telling you I recognize the purchased farmland but I guarantee you that working their for minium wage is not helping a black man a great deal. Is the owner a NON MUSLIM. HELL NO! You Know And I know it. Does the owner pay taxes to devils in the government. HELL YES. That website doesn't do Muhammad Farms any justice.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 And I keep telling you it was MORE than farmland & supermarkets. There were Islamic schools across the country (K to HS), business offices, real estate, welding, transportation, canning factories, cleaners, tailors, barbershops, book stores, bakeries, printing presses, even banking! There's almost no aspect of business that was not operated by the NOI. And look at you, condemning a website by its LOOKS! Exactly the ridiculousness I'm talking about! BUY something man! Support!
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Furthermore, why do you ASSUME they work for minimum wage? Can you prove that?? And damn, even if it is minimum wage, if they HAVE a job is that not better than UNEMPLOYMENT??? You're warped man & your perception of reality is ridiculous!! Slow yourself down! Its OBVIOUS you don't know ANYTHING about the NOI, then or now. Take another month off like you did before, regroup, get your information together, then come back again & see me.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@7thJewelProductions It's OBVIOUS I know alot more than you do about you own organization. I don't have to take a month off or regroup bc I can go directly to the source to get my information. The reason why you say the comparison of MLK and The NOI is laughable bc you know there is no comparison. I half-hearted acknowledge THEM's accomplishments bc they haven't accomplished anything in the grand scheme of things. Farmland, and schools for MUSLIMS only doesn't help anyone as a hole.
moneyright22 7 months ago
@moneyright22 OBVIOUS? You've said NOTHING that shows you REMOTELY know ANYTHING legitimate about the NOI. What do you know? What have you said? Bro, I listed MAD businesses that the NOI had. Name businesses that MLK opened. Name schools that MLK opened. Inform me about the farmland & supermarkets that MLK & the SCLC opened nationally. YOU CAN'T! MLK was an EXCELLENT speaker! No one could take that from him. But his legacy was "I have a dream". Sad. He & SCLC built nothing & that's my point.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 And as far as the website, why don't YOU help to make it better if it doesn't suit YOUR taste? As much as YOU reject us, this is for YOU too! If you can design a better website or know someone who can, instead of CRITICIZE why don't you HELP with a solution YOU provide?? THAT'S our problem in a nutshell. We're too busy doing mental masturbation in our own ideology (producing NOTHING) instead of coming together for one common cause; the elevation of Black & other people of color.
7thJewelProductions 7 months ago
@moneyright22 Also, the NOI opened businesses across the country which employed the members of the NOI as well as non members. Those schools, farms, supermarkets, printing plants, business offices, restaurants, etc. all employed Black people in & out of the NOI. We were/are a NATION & function as such.
As far as Farrakhan I know what you're referring to. That was not an admission of guilt, if it was, why isn't he in jail? The Black consciousness taught by the NOI inspired Black Christin theolgy
7thJewelProductions 9 months ago
@moneyright22 As much as the FBI was spying on the HEM, if he ordered Malcolm's murder he would have been locked up. If the HMLF had anything to do with Malcolm's death, he would have been locked up. If Malcolm totally disbelieved in the HEM, why did he take on the name that the HEM was to give him ? If he changed his view on whites, why did he continue to call them devils till the day he died? How many times did Malcolm go the Mecca? Once? No! Twice! First in '59. What changed in '64?
v735068 7 months ago
That sounds more like Denzel Washington speaking . . . probably practicing the voice for his role as Malcolm.
medusausi 9 months ago
The preponderance of evidence has shown that Malcolm realized he was wrong, was manipulated by his emotions, and the FBI, and had police informants and agents placed around him right up to the very moment of his death. He did not find racial harmony in Arabia in 1964 because there's not racial harmony in Arabia for Black people yet today in 2011. Hadjj is a 4 day ritual, not everyday Islamic life in the Arab world. Let's not get Hadjj confused w/ everyday racial harmony.
ministeraliakbar 9 months ago
It's already a known fact that Malcolm was trying to reconcile w/the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. This audio is only one piece of supporting evidence that only adds to a more complete picture of this chapter of Malcolm's life. This audio, by no means, stands alone as an isolated piece. Use your analytical skills to piece together w/all the other parts of this history! Not your emotions!
ministeraliakbar 9 months ago
This sounds spliced, out of order and probably out of context.
saintbradford 9 months ago
@saintbradford Nope...its obviously not the whole tape, but it is a complete thought. I like that you don't believe me. Do research for yourself & I will suggest you start with Gil Noble whose tv show "Like It Is" has played audio & read one of many letters Malcolm wrote to the Hon. Elijah Muhammad around April & May of 1964 AFTER he left the NOI. Gil Noble is a good brother, but he's not Muslim nor does he have NOI sympathies, making him an excellent unbiased reference to begin with.
7thJewelProductions 9 months ago
@7thJewelProductions I don't know. Even if it were authentic, it definatley SOUNDS like its spliced. I'm sure that's Malcolm's voice, but I think the first part is from when he was suspended. After 1:20, the tone of the voice changes and it sounds like it's from a different recording. I'm not even saying Malcolm didn't apologize, I'm just saying that this video is pretty poor evidence for that.
saintbradford 9 months ago
@saintbradford I understand what you're saying & I can respect that.
7thJewelProductions 9 months ago
@saintbradford When malcolm X said i would understand if you wouldnt forgive me, that suggested he did something more than just obey an order it seems logical that he was apologizing for something more along the lines of an attack.
mutantz 9 months ago
Just like in the "TOM & JERRY" Cartoon. . . . "DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT" LMAO!!!!!
BXGUY73 10 months ago
@BXGUY73 Typical response to someone who can't disprove the authenticity of something, they make fun of it. SMH....doesn't make it any less true though. Go watch "Like It Is" with Gil Noble & see his archive which contains multiple audio of Malcolm begging the Hon. Elijah Muhammad to be forgiven. What a shame people don't even know history...
7thJewelProductions 10 months ago
@7thJewelProductions Sorry but with all the modern audio manipulation techniques, I just don't believe it. You can take it or leave it alone. I do know history, of course I don't know everything because there is soo much. I just do not choose to believe this tape. If you want to believe it, go ahead. Not me. Peace be upon you.
BXGUY73 10 months ago
@BXGUY73 No hard feelings; everybody won't accept it. Doesn't make it any less true, but as I said, search for Gil Noble's Like It Is piece SPECIFICALLY on the audio tapes & letters Malcolm wrote to the Hon. Elijah Muhammad asking to come back in to the NOI. Gil Noble is probably the best choice because he's not Muslim. I may break down & put that out there myself if its not available. Let me know if you can't find it because then I will put that up too.
7thJewelProductions 10 months ago
@brett19661 Learn how to spell first...you're a LIAR, for saying the Hon. Elijah Muhammad is a "lier and a rapist". Too bad you're attempting to be ignorant, I WAS willing to converse with you, but alas...
7thJewelProductions 11 months ago
@7thJewelProductions Love it! Where can I get some more Jewels at?
allinall114 11 months ago
@infox1000 You see orthodox Islam is a third world religion (old world). This is the new world (America) and ancient beliefs and rituals don't work here. The Quran has teachings for the new world but they are never practice by muslims in the new world. Malcom went backwards out of confusion. I think Elijah was on point in his teachings but he made some mistakes along the way. Malcom was on point until he became confused. No one loved this more than the Arabs. They are so wrong.
revnasteewaters57 1 year ago
@infox1000 Yes true Islam is based on Quran but orthodox muslim's believe more in the hadiths than the Quran. This is why they are broken off into factions and can't agree on the teachings of the prophet. Same thing with the christians. So malcom went from one confusion to another one. I felt sorry for Malcom because he meant well. So-called true Islam is not the answer in it's present state. It's not doing the Arabs any good. Fooling around with orthodox Islam got Malcom killed.
revnasteewaters57 1 year ago
@infox1000 True Islam! If orthodox Islam is true Islam they wouldn't be at war with one another. Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace. Where is the peace in your true Islam? It was the so-called true Isalm that got Malcom killed. I understand your love for anything that don't represent black people in America. I guess we all need to start acting like Arabs so we can be accepted into so-called true Islam. lol
revnasteewaters57 1 year ago
This tape is a lie. It does not even fit with Malcom X understanding of Islam. How come he name some body as God !!!???
khaleda1 1 year ago
@khaleda1 Sorry to burst your bubble, but this IS Malcolm X circa 1964. If you do some research, you'll know Malcolm made SEVERAL audio tapes as well as written letters apologizing to the Hon. Elijah Muhammad & asking to be restored as a member.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions is this before his hajj to mecca
lebaneseprince25 10 months ago
@lebaneseprince25 Yes, I believe this is before his hajj, but after his trips to Mecca, Egypt, Iran, Syria, and Ghana back in July 1959. Though he went to Mecca in 1959, he didn't make hajj until 1964, and if I'm not mistaken this tape (and others) were made just prior to his hajj.
7thJewelProductions 10 months ago
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VoyageIslam
1 minute ago
When is this audio dated?
MALCOLM X: "No, Elijah Muhammad himself will never change. At least I doubt it. He's too old, dogmatic, and has already gone too far in teaching that he is a greater prophet than Muhammad ibn Abdullah. He is too proud to confess to his followers now that he has deliberately taught them falsehood."
The Last Interview
Malcolm X, Al-Muslimoon Staff (from the Malcolm X Museum)
Taken from Al-Muslimoon Magazine, February, 1965
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam I'm not going to do you like you did me. You deleted my comment when I challenged your OPINION (not facts) of Master Fard Muhammad & the truth of how we view Him; the view I presented is Islamically sound.
Now, as for Malcolm, on 2/20/1965 (the day BEFORE he was killed) Malcolm said to Alex Haley over the phone "The more I keep thinking about...the things that have been happening lately, I'm not at all sure its the Muslims...they CAN'T do some of the stuff RECENTLY GOING ON..."
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions Your argument is a straw man attempting to confront a point I had not presented. The letter above proves Malcolm viewed Elijah Poole as a false prophet which he was.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam Malcolm's view of Allah's Messenger, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, is of no concern to me. I don't worship Malcolm nor do I act as though Malcolm had no teacher who cleaned him up like he cleaned up every other pimp, hustler & drug addict. Malcolm was all of those & it wasn't until he became a follower of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad did he become an upright man & have a platform to speak from that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad provided for him. The sunni's were NOT trying to reform black people
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@VoyageIslam Further, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad did not consider himself a prophet nor did we/do we recognize him as such. He was & is Allah's Messenger. As America is the apex of evil of ALL the evil nations in both Bible & Qur'an, & if Allah sent a messenger to those nations, He was DUTY BOUND to send someone here. As you know, Prophet Muhammad was the final PROPHET, not the final MESSENGER...two different titles/positions.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
I like how after listening to almost a hour and half of speeches from Malcolm X that this video sounds almost nothing like him.
rjg866 1 year ago
@rjg866 "Speech" voice is different from "talking" voice...sorry to disappoint you, but this is Malcolm X Little.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@rjg866 That is Malcom x on the tape apoligizing to Elijah Muhammed. The orthodox muslim's hate this tape. They never bring this up.
revnasteewaters57 1 year ago
@SuperProphet100Some people just don't understand our Love for Min. Farrakhan. They wait until a person is no longer amongst the living, then they want to give the praise, Frederick Douglas and all the great leaders you named had naysayers. And not one of them taught the message that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad is teaching through the Hon. Min. Louis Farrakhan.
akilmosq24 1 year ago
@akilmosq24
Sir, I too love Farrakhan and believe me i'm not trying to change your mind because I know how some of you think when it comes to the learders of the NOI. I have to respectfully disagree with you aswell because I don't look up to no man not even Farrakhan, who I love.I'm not having it both ways because God is one way.Again i've grew out of religion into the one God.
SuperProphet100 1 year ago
@akilmosq24
Sir, The message That Elijah taught was nothing new, it might been new to you and alot of others but we have had a lot of leaders in past times teaching like that.Blacks just like white people are hardheaded and they foreget times past, look the black man been around for ever,do you really believe Elijah was the first to teach like that? Drew Ali taught like that and many more in black nationalism & Moors.
SuperProphet100 1 year ago
You have a right to your opinion, I just disagree. And you have said nothing to change my mind. You can't have it both ways, "I fight with and for the NOI but please stop worshiping religion because that's just what you're doing. Islam is not a religion but a way of life. We worship no one but Allah.
akilmosq24 1 year ago
@akilmosq24
Sir, I hope you understand i'm not trying to anger you just enlighten you on somethings I feel you need to know.
Now sir i'm going to try to say this with as much love as I can, listening to you, you sound like Farrakhan and i'm sure Farrakhan want you to speak for self.
Put aside what you've heard about "Islam not a religion but a way of life" and listen to ALLAH who said "I have completed my favour on you and choosen Islam as your RELIGION" (Sura 5:3). It's a good way to live.
SuperProphet100 1 year ago
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The man named himself, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. Is not the Shabazz in his name referencing a teaching he received from The Most Honorable? If not, please inform me of who else teaches about "Shabazz" in the Muslim world.
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
If this is authentic, it means absolutely nothing. Malcolm X was slienced in december of 1963, he was still a member of the Nation of Islam. He left by March 1964. It is not impossible that he felt apologetic about the words that he had said about JFK in 1964 before he left the nation of Islam. Furthermore, this recording has nothing in it to give us a true idea of its time period, all we have is a recording which seems to change tempo or mood at 3 points. This is not a valid historical artifact
phillysipha 1 year ago
@phillysipha I suggest you purchase a DVD entitled "Malcolm X vs the NOI" by Lance Shabazz. It contains EXTREMELY rare clips from both Malcolm & many insiders within the NOI. This DVD addresses this very subject & you can hear Malcolm himself & those who were around the Hon. Elijah Muhammad during that time. Your opinion not withstanding, cut up or not, this IS a valid historical artifact.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions maybe you have something that validates it authenticity, but this recording alone does not do that.
phillysipha 1 year ago
@phillysipha The man named himself, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. Is not the Shabazz in his name referencing a teaching he received from The Most Honorable? If not, please inform me of who else teaches about "Shabazz" in the Muslim world.
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
@BlacksAreBeautiful Sure his last name is related to some teachings of Elijah Muhammad...Ok and...I fail to understand your point for mentioning that. I wouldn't be suprised if it turned out that there were still some erroneous beliefs that Malcolm X still held onto before his death but that does not mean that he was still a follower of Elijah Muhmmad.
phillysipha 1 year ago
@phillysipha Actually it appears as though you understand my point very well and this is why you tried to offer up some explanation for it. Bottom line is, you want to dismiss this apology as either fabricated, or made while he was still technically a member of the Nation. To make my point clear, it's obvious by the name HE CHOSE for himself, that he NEVER denounced the teachings from The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
@BAB lets establish reality. Nothing is ever completely black and white. No matter where you look in the universe there is evidence of truth. If you were to examine all the beliefs of a white supremicist group you can find nuggets of truth, likewise if you examine the statements of Elijah M. you would find the same. But this does not mean that his message in its entirety is THE TRUTH. Human beings learn and grow with age, It is safe to say that upon his death malcolm was still learning...
phillysipha 1 year ago
@phillysipha Nuggets of truth in white supremacist teachings? That doesn't even make sense. Please provide examples. The Teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad are THE TRUTH. He taught us the Black man is the original man; is that a lie? He taught us astronomy; is that a lie? He taught us genetics, physics, quantum mechanics, history & more all within our Lessons which were revealed to him by W.D. Fard in 1931. Are those sciences lies or did we get an expanded understanding of what Islam encompas
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions White supremicist groups believe that poor and working class whites need to work as a collective in order to build community and by doing so they uplift the condition of the white race. Because honestly speaking most white supremicist groups are overwhelmingly composed of poor and worker class white people and they have serious issues that stem from the lack of a true community. honestly, we have more in common with them than most rich black and white people.
phillysipha 1 year ago
@phillysipha That's not white supremacy; unity among self is common sense & universal in its scope, not myopic as white supremacy is. White supremacy is the INCORRECT notion of supremacy due to one being caucasian. There is NO nugget of truth in that or remotely related to that idea. Malcolm would agree with me on this.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions The Science is not a lie but the idea that W.D. Fard Muhammad is Allah, astagfirullah!!! THAT IS A LIE and if you die upon that you are amongst the inhabitants of Jahanem because this is Shirk. But im no longer gonna entertainment this conversation. If you are searching for the truth Go to the authentic sources: Qur'an and Sunnah (Bukhari and Muslim). Im done. May Allah(swt).
phillysipha 1 year ago
@phillysipha The Science is correct & our understanding of W.D. Fard being the Great Mahdi is correct as well. Time will tell & Allah will decide wherein you & I differ. I suggest YOU study the FULL meanings of mutma'innah & Mahdi & the term "khalifa of Allah" & see how they ALL correlate in us recognizing the divine in man, specifically W.D. Fard.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@phillysipha While your explanation may apply in some instances, White Supremacy is not one. That is 100% falsehood. However, I will grant you that most philosophies are usually hybrid. Falsehood and truth wrapped in, but there is NO ONE else on earth teaching about the Tribe of Shabazz EXCEPT The Messenger. So why would Malcolm accept something that is truly UNIQUE to the teachings of MFM? The answer is clear, since the teaching of Shabazz is very near to the core of these teachings!
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
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@BlacksAreBeautiful White supremicist groups believe that poor and working class whites need to work as a collective in order to build community and by doing so they uplift the condition of the white race. Because honestly speaking most white supremicist groups are overwhelmingly composed of poor and worker class white people and they have serious issues that stem from the lack of a true community. honestly, we have more in common with them than most rich black and white people.
phillysipha 1 year ago
@BlacksAreBeautiful Again the answer to your question is that Malcolm X was nurtured by the ideas of the NOI for a significant part of his life. He was only a sunni muslim for less than a year when he was assissinated. There is no doubt that it is possible that there were remnants of NOI in Malcolm X's thinking. but again this doeas not necessitate that he was a follower of NOI when he died.
phillysipha 1 year ago
I never made the claim that he was a follower of the NOI when he died. I just thought the selection of the name Shabazz gives us a glimpse of what was in his heart. Less than a year? It took a lot less time than that for him to go to Mike W. & slander THEM before the world. There were some major inconsistencies in his speeches and I'm not sure they were of his own doing. For instance, he had already visited Mecca in 1959 and saw white Muslims, so why the apparent surprise when he saw them again?
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
I sure hope this religion forgives people for their ignorance because sometimes people do not understand them but when they do understand they support them. Human beings will make mistakes or misunderstand but I do think violence could not help make things better in the end.
What4ish 1 year ago
WHAT DID MALCOLM SAY ABOUT ELIJAH MUHAMMAD DAYS BEFORE HIS DEATH? WHAT DID FARRAKHAN SAY TO MALCOLMS DAUGHTER???
watch?v=iBYwFQmd_DM
Mothertahirah 1 year ago
@Mothertahirah And that to you is proof? Why did they catch TWO assassins at the scene, but later only reported one? The other one dipped into a police car never to be seen again. Why did Talmadge Hayer admit in open court that the two known NOI members they "caught" after the fact, were NOT on the hit squad? In fact Hayer gave the names of those men & they were NEVER apprehended. Malcolm's own bodyguard admitted the other 2 were NOT THERE! FBI had agents POSING AS NOI MEMBERS & THEY killed MX.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
I am learing something very special and I am glad about it.
What4ish 1 year ago
this is crap!!! some stuff just put together...
dislexsick09 1 year ago
@dislexsick09 Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is very real. He wanted back in to the Nation of Islam after he left.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
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@7thJewelProductions 1. Say: He is God, the One and Only;
2. God, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He does not beget, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none comparable to Him.
Therefore WD fard can not be Allah
unless that is nation of islam reject the verse from the quran
as for this tape i dunno who said it when it was recorded but if the person truely believes wd fard is Allah. ( malcolm x or anyone else) they are not muslims that adhere to the Qu'ran
dislexsick09 1 year ago
@dislexsick09 HAHAHAHA! Live with it!
mutantz 1 year ago
Surah Ikhlaas in the quran
1. Say: He is God, the One and Only;
2. God, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He does not beget, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none comparable to Him.
Therefore WD fard can not be Allah
unless that is nation of islam reject the verse from the quran
as for this tape i dunno who said it when it was recorded but if the person truely believes wd fard is Allah. ( malcolm x or anyone else) they are not muslims that adhere to the Qu'ran
CaptainKashmir 1 year ago 2
@CaptainKashmir Do you accept belief in the Mahdi? Why is man called the Khalifa of Allah? The Mahdi is the Supreme Khalifa of Allah. What is a Muslim? One who submits his will to do the Will of Allah. That's a process that begins when we take shahada & ends when we are in PERFECT SUBMISSION to Allah. Being Muslim means we ultimately die to our own will & become living manifestations of Allah's Will in our person. W.D. Fard is NOT the Creator however He has completed this journey & is Mahdi.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions
firstly thank you for replying to my comment
secondly yes i believe in the mahdi refered to in the hadith. i also believe the madhi will come and unite the muslims to lead an army against the antichrist and will recognize jesus (isa) as the messiah returned. i also believe he will be of arab lineage and have the same name as the promised prophet and his father will have the same name as the prophets father.
are you claiming the mahdi and wd fard are one in the same?
CaptainKashmir 1 year ago
@CaptainKashmir Yes sir that's exactly what we're claiming. His full name is Wali Fard Muhammad and we believe Him to be the Great Mahdi that was predicted. He fulfills all the requirements that is said of the Mahdi (being of the Prophet's family, named Muhammad, etc). The Mahdi will challenge the wicked rulers of this world & destroy them. The anti-christ is not a man necessarily, but a group of individuals united under a common banner of global domination at the expense of the poor.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions sorry but i have to disagree here dajjal is specifically reffered to as an indivudual with one eye. he has been described as his actions leading people astray, the word kaffir written on his forhead etc. these can not be attributed to group of individuals but rather to an indivual alone
and where is isa in all this did wd fard recognize isa? if so why did isa as not destroy dajjal as it has been prophesized?
CaptainKashmir 1 year ago
@CaptainKashmir I see that as being symbolic. It could very well be an individual who will lead the wicked, but what is a known reality is the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati, & other powerful wealthy families who control the finances of governments. These are groups of individuals who are wicked & whose intentions are to rule "infinitely" & subjugate the poor. That's where Mahdi & Messiah come in. They come to break the power of the dajjal (be it an individual or group) governments will be sat down
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago
@7thJewelProductions did wd fard fulfill the prophecy in the hadith for example the mahdis army has been noted to ride from khorasan that is east iran, afghanistan.or he will face an army in syria that will be swallowed by the ground. where these prophecies and all the other prophecies about the mehdi fulfilled by wd fard?
CaptainKashmir 1 year ago
@CaptainKashmir Honestly, not that I know of. That portion may still yet be fulfilled. I do know that aside from the "known" Nation of Islam, there is a military that is under His strict order & direction & when He (Wali Fard Muhammad aka W.D. Fard) gives the order, they will attack.
7thJewelProductions 1 year ago