Israel is and always has been God's land and was given to his people it will never be a Islamic holding and no I am not Jewish.The Islamic mosque in Jerusalem is only a temporary structure and the Temple will be rebuilt.
@232323C the numbers are available on the ministry of foreign affairs website.
But for every dead, we must also remember that over 95% of Palestinian attacks FAILED to reach their targets (mostly because of Israeli military activities). Hence the dead is infinitely smaller than the 'would have been dead otherwise'.
yeah, your right, israel doesn't have a law on its books that two thirds of the population has to be jewish, otherwise it would be an apartheid state.
nice reprimand though, i liked the part about what a waste of bandwidth. made my balls jiggle
Then, can you explain to me why it's not racist that some arab states (Arab being an ethnic group) are called "Arab republic of" or something similar, which is statement that in the west would be similar to "White republic of France"? Why do you not spend any energy on this racism?
Furthermore, Israel even had a non-Jewish acting president, a druze, for a short period. It also has 100s of Arab mayors, professors, parliamentarians. Apartheid? nonsense.
But Iran is a racist state. For example they "save" one seat for a Jewish representative in parliament. They have similar regulations for some other minorities. Most people who want to see Iran destroy Israel use this to pretend Iran is "good" because it has a Jewish rep, however the reality is that this is a racist method to make sure that Jews (and OTHER minorities) also stay at the bottom, with one completely insignificant rep, never having the ability to be chosen and make a difference.
Well, my post didnt seem to take..Anyway, my point is that Ahmadinejad disputes the right of Israel to exist. Israel is supossedly the homeland of Jews, and Judaism is based on the Torah, therefore what the Torah says has everything to do with Israel, and whether Israel is in direct opposition to the Word of G-d, or whether it is not. This is absolutely connected with what Ahmadinejad says, and will shed light on the facts of the situation. Like I said, I'm going to study Lamentations.
No, the Jewish people include the heritage and religion, it is not exclusively the religion. The ultra-religious want it to solely be the religion, some want to remove the history of what has happened to the Jewish people and only remember the torah, but the overwhelming number of Jews see the Jews as a people, with a history, not simply a religion.
Are you implying they should ignore 2,500 years of what has happened to the Jewish people? Should reject it? Should pretend it doesn't exist?
Why do conservative Rabbis say Zionism is rebellion against G-d? They cite Lamentations Chapter 2, where G-d forbids His people an earthly government until the time of Moshiach. Rabbis teach that nothing has changed since this G-d mandated exile. They say Zionists are murderers who have hi-jacked Judaism, stolen the Star of David for their banner, and established a homeland in direct opposition to the Torah. From a secular standpoint, I guess they are no worse than USA, with genocide of Indians
it's not conservative rabbis, you have not investigated your sourcing. It's Naturei Karta, and sections of the satmar community. These groups represent a few thousand people, who have outright rejected all modern history, as shown in my video about them (you can view it on my page).
Considering they are but a few thousand out of a group of 13-16 MILLION, and considering they reject historical facts, their interpretation is rejected both in the religious community and in the academic one.
I've been watching videos on YouTube, where the Israeli government sends goons in to bash the heads of Orthodox Jews, beat them like cattle, because they dare mention Lamentations Chapter 2, which forbids the Jews an earthly government until the time of Moshiach. I dont know too much about this, since I am not a Rabbi but they are convinced of this They feel it is clearly taught by the Torah I guess I'll have to look into it in more detail, and see if it is a matter of interpretation, as you say
There are no such instances. You may have seen some of them clashing with police over specific issues, but you have never seen the police being sent just because they interpret Judaism differently! They live in Jerusalem, and they are relatively small in number. Had they been hated for their views, it would have been easy to throw them out at any point up until today. Yet they have never been kicked out. Not even after they hugged Ahmadinejad who denied the holocaust and wants to destroy Israel.
But aside from all the issues that make them wrong and irrelevant that I've just mentioned, this video is about Ahmadinejad. I find it interesting that whenever I mentioned a man who calls for the destruction of another nation, when it comes to Israel, people always shift the topic to something else, like Naturei Karta, who have absolutely nothing to do with Ahmadinejad except that they shook his hand as he denied a genocide of 6m, including of some of their own families.
I don't advocate any particular action at this stage, since I have no more access to classified information than anyone else. But I think it's suicide to let Iran go nuclear. Even if it doesn't use nukes, there would always be the threat they may transfer the knowhow to other subordinate groups. It would also spark (already starting to) a middle eastern arms race.
This would make the region far far more dangerous than ever before, and it's dangerous enough!!
Deciding who gets nukes is subjective and really based on maintaining power. My country, the U.S. is the only country to nuke another country yet our leaders speak with piety on this issue. If Iran did nuke Israel itd be the end of old Persia even if it was via proxy, which Iran knows.
That is not strictly true. If Iran gained nukes it could cause mass destruction without even using them. It would give it and it's satilite groups an umbrella to cause destruction and death with much more boldly, knowing the other side would be scared of retaliation.
And in any case, if you start an arms race (which the Arab world is starting in retaliation for the Iranian nuclear development) then you NEVER can predict where you will end.
Im sure Iran is really already creating nukes but theyre using the cover of *energy.* Even though the Iranians identify as Persian they are predominantly Muslim which seems to circumvent ethnicity and nationality. On this basis I dont foresee internal any conflicts.
Why not? Between the economic damage that far lower oil prices will bring? Where Ahmadinejad is now trying to get rid of subsidies that will raise inflation many percent instantly? Between the Arab-origin and Persian-origin and Kurdish-origin sections of Iran? There are many factors in Iran. They may be powerful but an economic decline may cause serious instability. Whether it turns out or not, it's not a risk that can be taken with a nuclear power and may be catastrophic for all.
and that you IGNORE that fact. because of your ignorancy and blind support a terrorist state against humanity
The question that you cant answer because its irrational to answer from a NON-moral argument is... what gives the jews the right to israel and occupy
there is no excuse for israels actions they choose to live there.. and they knew they would get trouble. I know you cant answer me SO STOP acting like jwz are victims
the fact is that you are unable to discuss Iran on a VIDEO ABOUT IRAN. You do not mention the Iranian leader, even though this video is basically about him.
Therefore you show how twisted your accusations are, that you cannot even make them on anything related to the topic at hand.
Change the subject all you want (and all anti-israelis do), it doesn't stop my points. In fact peoples inability to discuss them directly highlights how unable to hold a logical discussion they are.
I in no way support either side of the conflict, mainly because I believe I still don't have all the information & am not aware of *every* circumstance surrounding the conflict.
Obviously neither side will be happy if the land is given to the other side, so the conflict will continue. So my 1st question is, what's your solution to the conflict?
My 2nd question is, regardless of *current* Arab hostilities toward Israel, was the huge influx of Jews into Palestine after 1948 jutified? and how?
Hi there, This particular vid was actually about Iran, not Israel, but I'm happy to discuss those issues. I prefer to work methodically (point by point), I hope thats fine with you.
1) Israel has given Egypt the sinai for TRUE peace (cold peace with egyptian breaches, but peace SO-FAR non-the-less). It has left Gaza, parts of West Bank. It is negotiating a withdrawal from Golan and offered 97pct in 2000 and 93pct recently of the west bank. Israel has offered the land, the other sides rejected.
I don't take sides because I don't FULLY understand the conflict & I know better than to swallow media representations.
I've seen vids where CBS misquoted Ahmadinejad saying that Israel "is a fabricated government", when he was really calling for democracy in what he terms the "Zionist regime".
Yet I've also seen vids with him unexcusably whipping crowds into frenzies of "Death to Israel".
3) Does Israel really exclude Palestinians from the democratic process, or is he simply anti-Israel?
sorry, but Israel has not withdrawan from the Golan, get your facts straight.
As for your other comments, please learn to use proper grammer. Your points lose their sparkle when they don't make sense!
Also, yes, Israel did all those things for peace, I thank you for pointing it out. Whats your point?
Do you also have any comments about the actual video or you avoid Iran because you have no way to answer my points? It's always funny to see people spam Israel on a video about IRAN.
I'm not "mr Grammer", I was just saying your last point was did not make proper sense.
My point about Iran was it's secret nuclear program, combined with it's LONG-RANGE (not "regional range") missile program, combined with nuclear plans FOUND in Iran about converting missiles to fit nuclear warheads. Thats not regional power, thats a worldwide nuclear threat. Iran has also bombed civilian sites worldwide (like Argentina). Thats not regional, thats worldwide terrorist activity.
U.S pull down the democratic government in iran , because of its interests.World wide support for saddam to attack IRAN for 8 damn years.U.S threat close to its boarders.Atomic Israel,Pakistan,India in its region...who is threat?. Argentina was not IRAN's job. Believe me these are bull shit.There is many people who hate Israel and jews (Unfortunately)in the world.
Jews are victims of zionism.The are all brain washed.
I prefer to believe the investigators who spent years on it! Why believe you? What do you know they don't?
You forget, you say Atomic Israel because Iran and Israel are enemies right? Well you are wrong. Israel never had problems with Iran. Israeli leaders saw Iran as a friend. As a country that could one day bridge the gap with the Arab world and Israel.
It's ALL IRANS DECISION to have Israel as an enemy. They must therefore face the consequences of trying to destroy Israel.
You cannot create an enemy, then suddenly say you need weapons to defend yourself! Thats psychotic.
Israel was never Iran's enemy. In fact, it has already been shown that in the early years of the Islamic revolution, when the mullah's were desperate, they bought weapons from Israel to defend against Iraq. Israel also bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities in 81, if it hadn't Iran would be nuked by now! Yet after all this, Iran turned Israel in to enemy #1. This is ALL Iran's fault.
what do you mean real solution? You cannot say the world is being unfair when the leaders of Iran, with nuclear plants and drawings for nuclear warheads and threaten other countries.
What solutions do you think would be enough? The world has offered Iran assistance with their nuclear program so long as they come clean. break on the sactions, other positive suggestions. To say they havn't tried looking for a formula to solve this is not true.
1 continued) the key 'land' UN resolution is 242. However while those attacking Israel always cite the land-withdrawal point, they ignore the fact that the resolution requires an end to belligerence and to respect the territorial integrity of the states (which means arab respecting Israel's independence and it's right to exist). This is why the Palestinians have not yet signed. They cannot respect Israel's independence and thats shown by their demand for 5m people to move to Israel.
1 last) So the land was on offer.. so if land is the problem... then whats the problem? :)
2) In 1948 over 1/3 of Palestinains were Jews, Beduin, Druze and other. They all created Israel while Arab states swallowed up what should've been Palestine (west bank, Gaza). It is not uncommon for nations with large different ethnic/cultural groups to divide. Once it was Israel, Israeli laws had their own independent immigration laws. This is perfectly normal. What is the problem with this?
So Israel offered the Palestinians land which they refused?! I've always thought the Palestinians were displaced & had their land seized by Israel. So basically, you're saying that the Palestinians are playing "martyr" by making their own situation difficult by refusing the land?
So Israel developped democratically from the start? Simply because they were the majority in that particular area? & the problem exists simply because the Islamic countries don't want a Jewish nation in their midst?
In the 1948 lands they were displaced from fighting. I discussed the 2000 97 percent and 2008 93 percent offers of the west bank and 100 percent is already in Palestinian hands in Gaza.
But the fight for Israel was not democratic, it was violent. You must remember there was NO STATE there. So when the british left, and nations were created in the vacuum, the Jews, Druze and Beduin created Israel. There was meant to be a Palestine, but Arab nations killed that idea by annexing the land.
It should be remembered there was a nationalist upswing that was spreading like lightning in the Arab world. The idea that a non-arab non-islamic entity rising in the middle of the arab nations was completely unacceptable to them, this is well recorded. The UN partitioned Palestine (which was not a nation but a region) because a committee went to investigate the options for it and said they saw clearly the Arabs did not accept and refused to promise security for the Jews there in a state.
Thank you for taking the time to answer. I think I understand your view. I'd always thought that Palestine was an established nation at that time & that the land was stolen from them.
So after the British left Palestine, there was no government? The UN stepped in to offer a fair solution but the Arab nations opposed it?
I still don't support terrorism on either side even as counter-attack, but my knowledge of the conflict's history has improved. I'll do some more research. Thanks.
First of all he was quoting Imam Khomeini so it was not even his own words .then after saying this regime occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time he made example like communism was Russia wiped off the map? I don't think so
check the comments. I've covered this 10000000 times now. Sorry but i'm not going to get in to it again. The fact is his many many statements together easily prove over and over that "regime" means all Israelis (E.g. the country). He has called for everyone to be moved to a country in Europe. Did anyone ever call for removing Russians from Russia? Sorry weak argument.
Furthermore, he said answering a q: "as the imam said" if I recall... it means his opinion is the same
I thought you speak farsi? Didn't you see when he said they should make a country out of Germany and move people there?
One example of the many he's said: "If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel,"
Why would they need to set up another country? What just for a government with no people? He's saying to give the jews alaska meaning instead of Israel. He's said this many times.
If you have watched the whole interview instead of only 2-3 mins of it you would know what he meant.
What he was saying was Palastian was not involved in holocuast and did not kill any jews in ww2 so israel should not pick on them for their loss in WW2 if they want a land they should have asked the country that killed so many of them like germany
mate firstly the local leadder of the Palestinians was a friend of Hitlers and tried to get hitlers help against the Jews there. Secondly he's said these statements many times. And which interview are you talking about? Are you talking about the 60 minutes? Don't you read iran's news. I'm talking about the many times he's said it as it was quoted in IRNA for example.. I don't use 1 interview.
He was asked about his statements MANY times, i'm yet to see him clearly saying it was misinterpreted
Thirdly, you've picked a great time to leave a comment. Yesturday Syria's deputy foreign minister (probably Irans closest ally in the world, where the government are very close and cooperate greatly) said Syria disagrees with Irans desire to have Israel destroyed. He was clear it was Israel, not a specific gov. Since he knows the Iranian leaders personally, he would know their view well. And he doesn't get it from Western interpretations but from Iran's gov.
Oh. One more thing, vanish from the pages of time is how Juan Cole interpreted it. Why don't ppl accept the many other interpretations? THE ORIGINAL statement (wipe off the map) came from IRANS OWN STATE MEDIA's English services!
Why do ppl follow what some random anti-israeli professor says... yet not iran's own translators? Tehrans professors (who I quoted)? Others?
ppl can't only pick the one source they like and ignore everything else, especially much more credible sources.... take care
I think it was irib. It's where the newspapers got the quote! look in to it!
Furthermore, if you can speak farsi.. why did you end up with the EXACT QUOTE of Juan Cole? Why so different from the quote of the tehran professors who had a different translation to Juan?
if it was IRIB they still keep their old news show it to me or gemme a link!!!
Because at first i didnt hear his speach live on tv but the day after that i saw it the translation on the news when i sreached for the exact words that he used that i found that translation and it made more scence
Sorry it wasn't IRIB, it was the presidents English site.
They have removed data going that far back (2005). But it's well recorded that this is where western media got their translation from. You can just type it in to search.
I know that the Israelis created some "terror groups" meant to attract radicals, but then the groups took on lives of their own, which almost makes me believe in Karma ;-]
You have the manners of an ape, but that's not the point. You have not proved your fact free assertions at all. While it can be proven what the Iranian President said and did not say, but you have not and cannot prove otherwise. However, if you feel up to the challenge I'll examine your evidence.
the manners of an ape? Very nice. I appriciate that. I have not proven my fact-free assertions? EVERYTHING I said was based on facts. EVERYTHING. There are plenty of links in the notes (and they are few compared to the countless out there for someone doing research). To call it fact-free is rather foolish considering it's all based on facts. You can make whatever insults you want, but everything I have is sourced. All you have provided is a personal attack. Very impressive.
Well, you start out and you are eating with your mouth somewhat open (you and President Bush...), but let me run an errand and I'll rebut your rebuttal.
You mean the mainstream media TOLD you that they were facts. It appears that the Canadian press if slowly catching on that they were lied to, but there's speculation that there will be no mea culpa as that would be very, very embarrassing for the CBC to admit to parroting a lie. However, time will tell.
Please understand that I believed this Big Lie, too, just as I believed Pres. Bush sr. when told us Saddam's troops were killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators!
what mainstream media? You constantly make assumptions about my information. I have such varied sources in my links in all my vids. Next you'll tell me I watch fox news right?
As for Saddam - I don't know what Bush said, I know what evidence does exist of what Saddam did in the Iran war and against Shi'as and Kurds using his gas weapons. I don't need Bush to tell me such things.
No, I will not accuse you of watching Fox News, but that doesn't prove the Iranian President threatened to do what you said he did. Since you haven't proven he did (you haven't) it's the only rational conclusion I can make. My major in college was Administration of Justice & we were taught that the people prosecuting their case must prove their case, which is something you've failed to do.
Since you can't prove that he did (because he didn't), it's going to be interesting watching you try.
but please, save me the hasstle and don't come back with that outdated nonsense of Juan Cole (the same nonsense representativepress used - almost in cut and paste form since he has little original thought). All you guys who begin with an insult against me just bring up that tired, dated case.
If you have something fresh that disproves my sources, feel free. IF you will just repeat what has been said 50x on my comments, don't bother.
You don't get it: you failed to prove that that the Iranian President said that. After seeing four different translations and other news agencies say that he said no such thing, I thought that RepPress was late.
The NY Times and all the other sources you cited failed to make their case. All you are doing is parroting incorrect sources. Can you (not parrot but you) prove he said that?
Be certain that you append complete references and citations to support your
but thats just his use of grammer. In the middle east for DECADES zionist has meant Israeli. DECADES. It's only in Europe and the US where the distinction is made. You looked at four different translations? If I said Persian did I mean Iranian? Well? Iran is what was the actual persian empire. Iran was also renamed from Persia. It's quite obvious if I said something bad about 'persians' that I meant Iranians.
If I say "Persia should be wiped out" right now - would any normal person be deluded as to think I didn't mean Iran? Perhaps as a world-class historian from a respected university and background you could accept I made a distinction, but he does not.
In all his speeches when asked about ISRAEL he responds "the zionist regime". Israel = the zionist regime otherwise why would he always refer to it in such a manner EXCEPT THIS ONCE? The argument that he didn't use the exact word Israel is weak.
Your analogy is fatally flawed. He didn't say "Persia." He said rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the landmass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
No, because he *never* threatened to wipe ANYTHING off the map. The word "map" was never even used. Nowhere in his entire speech was the phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet you would have me believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
2) Wipe off the map may not be strictly accurate, but professors from tehran university themselves said "wipe away" is more fitting. Fine, lets take wipe away. Wipe Israel away is still the same thing with less dramatic rhetoric.
it was at the world without zionism conference and made references to the end of zionism. What is zionism? a movement to create & maintain Israel.
4) He refers to solving this by shipping off all the people who live there in to a new state in Europe. CLEARLY NOT A REGIME BUT THE NATION AS A WHOLE.
5) I've covered so many more points I don't see why I should repeat them because you cannot read and analyse. I just wrote a few more comments before to another recent post you made, check'm
as they note, he doesn't even refer to ISrael by name. I've already covered this point.
In the past, before Israel was accepted as a reality (and in some circles it still is not), leaders wouldn't refer to it as Israel but the zionist regime.
Who are the ONLY "Israelis" (quote unquote since they don't really accept that title) he talks to ? Extremist Jews who reject Israel's right to exist and want to live under an islamic regime. EVERYTHING, not just that one speech, point the same direction
His entire discussion there was the same. You forget it was Iran's own government media (e.g. media that is run by his gov) that first used this translation. The reason is they were clearly explained the context and meaning and in Iran's gov media there was obviously no doubt whatsoever what was meant. The doubt came from a bunch of regularly anti-israeli academics in the US several 1000 miles away. Funny that.
The Iranian media, run by his gov, understood what he meant perfectly.
You're off topic here as this isn't supportable evidence that the Iranian President said that Israel should be wiped off the map. Don't worry about any translations other than the independent ones available to the public and understand that corporate media will lie or be too lazy to check facts.
These are merely rambling opinions made by you. Were you aware that it's considered common knowledge over there that nuclear weapons are against Islam? No wiping off the map without those.
is that right? well they still have not answered to the IAEA why designs of nuclear warheads were found on a laptop. Why nuclear particles far beyond "civilian" purposes were found on some consoles. You tell me not to buy the media reports then you buy the iranian gov's version of events? Thats 10000x as crazy.
Why is nothing supportable by facts? Zionist regime/entity = Israel is a term used for decades. WELL KNOWN WELL PROVEN. He answers Q's about Israel with "zionist regime". So its israel.
Because the "found laptops" are laughably weak considering how downright COMMON "discovered" evidence of that nature is. Man, do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you're that gullible. That's a favorite tactic of several of our alphabet agencies. Just like the so-called laptops found in Afghanistan telling tall tales of Al-Queda plans in Iraq. Oh, then there was the laptop of a bin Laden associate and many other "found" evidence that was no doubt planted.
the IAEA said that what was found would be very hard to fake. Considering the IAEA is the same one thats trying to avoid conflict, and baredai has been dragging his feet while the US is pushing hard (Eg not doing what they think is justified) he clearly has no reason to lie and side against Iran when he's been reasonably friendly in terms of his actions. "evidence" on it's own is easy to fake. Accurate evidence when you have little intelligence is not.
He has called for a state to be created out of Germany and people to be moved there. Clearly that means all the Israelis. What the 120 knesset members that make up the gov? Give me a break.
he hates Israel so much he won't refer to it as Israel. Has he ever said the word Israel? Clearly he refers to Israel somehow. Why not the way it's been done for DECADES by arabs - zionist regime? It's obvious he's continuing the standard middle eastern usage of that word, not some US academics version!
Yes, the United Nations carved up the Middle East due to sympathy for Jewish suffering during WWII, but that still wasn't a valid excuse to displace millions of innocent Palestinians. Considering how much awful, awful suffering that has gone on since, it is perfectly understandable for the Iranian President to ask, why shouldn't they have been given land in Germany where they were interned?
However, *none* of that proves the Iranian President said any such thing.
I thought you accused me of changing the topic? Now you go in to another topic and display MASSIVE amounts of ignorance... utter ignorance about the origins of the Israeli-arab dispute and the refugee crisis. Damn man I could write a book of 80 pages correcting the level of inaccurate portrayal of history you just displayed.
proof? You reject that zionist entity/regime means Israel. All you care about is 1 word, not intent. He never ever ever says Israel so how can I show what he never says?
Stay focused as strong emotions color clear thinking & are a large part of the problem. Your false accusations & ad hominem prove nothing.
What exactly did the Iranian President want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing! That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech.
If you can prove he even said the word "map" then present it.
wiped off the map was the translation in context of the Iranian government media reporting what thier own president said. It's their clear view. They have never been asked by the president to rewrite it.
Further more, alternative translations include "wipe away". "Wipe the zionist regime away" is basically the same thing with a bit less flare.
He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away. Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick,"
Thats a quote FROM THE PRESIDENT OF IRANS WEBSITE. The segment is titled:
Ahmadinejad: Supporters of Israel will face wrath of Islamic ummah
Guess what? Remember, thats no longer gov media, it's the presidents website. cont
in it he doesn't actually say Israel, he says zionist regime.
Yet his actual press secretary, who are emissaries on his behalf, VERY VERY clearly say it means israel.
some more (presidents website): "he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world"
That was in context of Arab nations recognizing Israel's existence.
As I said, the IRANIAN PRESIDENTS OWN MEDIA placed the headline EXACTLY THE SAME: to wipe israel off the map. THATS WHERE THE QUOTE COMES FROM !!!
In all his interviews, he responds to questions about Israel with ZIONIST REGIME. Therefore, he is either a complete moron who cannot translate the word israel in to farsi and therefore says Zionist regime, or he views Israel as the reality: The zionist entity. After all, Israel's creation & existance IS THE WHOLE POINT OF ZIONISM!
Then you should have NO PROBLEM providing a link to such an Iranian source! Once you have done that you'll be able to say that you made your case! Simple!
what to what the iranian president said and how his press team (the presidents press team) released it? If the quote I put were accurate you'll be happy with what i'm saying?
again to me the snippets make up the case. You seem to reject that, your call. But I think a case is made by reading in to what people say, analysing it, seeing it in the local context, not through US professors. Thats why I think 1, 5, 15 links, they all demonstrate similar things. His attitude is his wish for Israel destroyed. His arming of Hezbollah with missiles, training of Hamas to build missiles, Fatah is clear proof he's doing it, so far slightly, but who knows in a few years.
Zionist entity is a term used primarily in the Arab world[1][2][3] as a pejorative euphemism for the State of Israel.[4][5]. The phrase is seen as a means of expressing extreme hostility towards Israel,[1] and denying Israel's existence.[2][8][9]
wikipedia entry on zionist regime/entity with plenty of sourcing for thost comments as you can see.
Also: zionism = belief in Israel's right to exist and wanting it to exist. So even then it's clearly Israel.
I looked them up, but that didn't prove your case.
You appear to be half my age & you haven't become jaded & skeptical of lying govts & media, it seems. It took me years to become the extreme skeptic that I am today.
There's no shame in taking a step back to reconsider things.
Simple rule of thumb: never, ever believe a single damned word that the United States government (or mainstream media) says, any time, on any subject. Assume they're lying all the time, and you can't go wrong.
Only my NYC link is american, and I havn't quoted the US gov once... you keep just throwing these things in the air about me as if they are facts... it really makes no sense your accusations. At no point did I say I trust the US gov to be completely honest with me, nor do I rely on them for information, yet you keep leaving messages as if i do.. it's really bizzare what you keep saying.
My message had to be truncated due to space constraints. I just meant that I have become so jaded by dishonest govt. and mass media that that's a damn good rule of thumb to live by. What you fail to understand is that the mass media frequently presents government press releases as fact, but never mind all that then.
Where's your proof the Iranian President threatened to wipe Israel off the map?
considering I even went as far as quoting Al Jazeera and Iran's media, I think I deserve a bit more credit than the utter untrue attacks you launch at me. Also you refuse to use ANY analitical skills. It seems to me you are too busy not believing the US gov that instead you've opted to reject anything they say and therefore must side against them. So when someone comes and brings evidence that is at least somewhat supportive of them, you cannot accept it and try to find cheapshots to reject it.
I provide statements from several times (inc holocaust conference). The quote you bring (out of date nonsense) was from "a world without zionism" convension he made. What is zionism? The movement of a Jewish national homeland - Israel.
You have refused 100% to use the SLIGHTEST BIT OF ANALYSIS! instead opting for the foolish "if he didn't use a certain word thats end of case no matter how clear analysis is". on political & middle eastern events without analysis you end up massively inaccurate
Sure I have: my analysis shows that one should approach such war drum-beating accusations with an extremely skeptical eye, but I am still waiting for a link in the description area for your Iranian source. You're trying to convince me that you're right without offering proof, hence your bizarre accusation about not using analysis.
What you're doing is called "rationalizing" & that's far from being synonymous with proof.
Still waiting for evidence that I know cannot be forthcoming.
I stand corrected as Iran's official propaganda arm used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it WITHOUT verifying its accuracy *NOT* referring to the source.
yes. The IRNA put context on it. The president never said that this was clearly wrong, he only said what is reported about him is "exaggerated". Not exactly convincing.
But in any case this isn't IRNA, It's his personal website press releases by his personal press team.
Clearly nobody thought, after a worldwide uproar, that this was inaccurate enough to correct, and again, neither did the president say this is actually wrong, only that what is reported is exaggerated.
As Mark Twain said: "A lie will go around the world before the truth gets its shoes on."
The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
Despite one mistep, I made my case. Now it's your turn.
I put that quote in context for you, I also included other aspects of things he's said to demonstrate he clearly wants Israel gone.
You reject it time and time again, and everytime my case builds up you just revert back to this.
It's clear you are more interested in repeating Juan Cole than trying to understand what a middle easterner means when he's talking in relation to Israel. So I suggest we leave it at that cos I've clearly set out a rather large amount of detail about his behaviour
Revert back to wanting evidence? Yes! What's wrong with wanting proof? What's wrong with wanting a genocidal regime to be replaced with a compassionate one? Somehow, you think wanting such a regime means Israel must be detroyed, but a regime change would be nice.
However, seeing as how you make a leap of conclusions instead of insisting on proof, I will agree with you that we've reached an impasse.
It was an interesting debate and I will move on in lieu of evidence from you.
well, I think anyone reading the amount of different things i've offered would probably disagree with you, unless they come in after that juan cole reading and therefore cannot also see anything beyond it.
I've offered a whole range of links that demonstrate his behaviour and general attitude, as well as irans own policy to heavily arm groups that only seek Israel's destruction - no peace. So for you to imply that this he is about peace is utter lies and deception towards yourself.
That's yet another conclusion you jump to and it's incorrect as well. Like an Orthodox Rabbi, I am an anti-Zionist, but I hardly want Israel wiped off the map. So long as Zionism (an even more perverted form of Nazism, if it's me you're asking) then there will never be any peace. Not with the IDF having studied the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to have used those tactics recently on Lebanon, but your mind is made up and you cannot be reasoned with. All that it takes for evil to triumph and all that.
now we see why you cannot accept the case i made and keep reverting back.
Firstly - hahahaha, like an orthodox rabbi? Orthodox rabbis almost entire support Israel, Neturei karta (the main anti-zionist movement along with 1-2 smaller others) are ULTRA-orthodox firstly, and secondly they number in the small thousands, out of 13-15 million Jews or about 3-4 million orthodox.
That simply isn't true as was reported in the Jewsh Weekly Foreward, but I admit I have let my subscription lapse. However, check out JewsNotZionists dot org for a real eye opening experience ;-]
i've seen it a million times, all anti-israelis try to send me there. They are very small in numbers and are a very very very small insignificant part of the orthodox.
It's amazing how the anti-israelis latch on to a small sect to try to say "this is what the majority feel".
look you are completely ignorant, hatefilled and think you are saying something clever by pointing me to a site of a small sect that every other israel-hater has forwarded me to in a vain attempt to justify their hatred by overhyping that groups numbers.
This topic is Iran. We've discussed it. Now you can go away if you have nothing more to say on that issue. I've disproven you there and here on Israel, but enough's enough on a different topic. Stick to the topic.
I didn't show any pleasure. I feel no pleasure at all. I mocked how you try to use her as an example of Israeli actions when clearly she was deeply involved in anti-israeli activity, and the entire case surrounding her is filled with holes and lies by her companions who were supposedly with her.
You take "mocking her death" freom that? Twisted joker.
to take zionism, basically a movement to create Israel, and to turn it so political as to completely twist it's meaning. And to even call it worse than nazism, well you are more foolish than a fool if you are so happy to throw out a comparison of creating Israel, with the massmurder of 6 million Jews, countless other minorities and creation of a world war that cost many many many millions of lives.
Utterly foolish.
What you want in relation to Israel is irrelevent to Ahmadinejad, get a clue.
Despite their first goal of creating a homeland in Uganda first (look it up), the Zionists succeeded in already occupied land. That's one reason why I use the word neo-Zionist, as does the Foreword.
It is the fool who blindly believes incorrect sources now proven false, but I would say the same to you as you no doubt want Israel to continue with its slow motion genocide, as reported by Prof. Norman Finkelstein.
Yes, our desires should not color the truth, but you cannot say that.
I think I know the history well. Uganda was considered as a transfer point. Very few seriously considered it as a true alternative.
Damn man do the most basic of research.
Finkelstein is a moron. He is clearly delusional and in interviews has stated his political views very openly, which you can see reflected in his historical understanding. First he decides, then he finds evidence for it. Not looks at evidence and draws conclusions.
so in this genocide... the arab population keeps increasing exponentially... I see how that works... waw you are really smart.
The stats clearly tell a much better story than you ripping off finkelstein. you say I ignore facts? How can someone be so foolish as to say there's a genocide when the population is growing vastly and has higher life expetency (before intifada in 2000) than most other arabs as well as higher literacy?
"According to the American Jewish Yearbook, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million."
"Before the Nazi takeover of power in 1933, Europe had a vibrant and mature Jewish culture. By 1945, most European Jews--two out of every three--had been killed." - US holocaust memorial museum.
you sheep of hate and misinformation. You are making more foolish statements constantly one after another. Abosolute tool.
look you are completely ignorant, hatefilled and think you are saying something clever by pointing me to a site of a small sect that every other israel-hater has forwarded me to in a vain attempt to justify their hatred by overhyping that groups numbers.
This topic is Iran. We've discussed it. Now you can go away if you have nothing more to say on that issue. I've disproven you there and here on Israel, but enough's enough on a different topic. Stick to the topic.
regime change - you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Israel has changed gov countless times. All democratic.
Many Arab politicians have, decades after they retired, consistantly stated that they outright rejected negotiations while israel seeked it consistantly.
So for you to mouth off these inaccuracies, ignorant misrepresentation of history is amusing, but irrelevent to Iran's military arming of thousands of weapons to groups that ONLY want Israel's destruction, no peace.
That would be like saying we could've accepted a Nazi Germany if only Heinrich Himmler had been permitted to replace Hitler. A Nazi is a Nazi and a Zionist is a Zionist. The Zionists have built their Apartheid wall and got away with murdering Rachel Corrie.
Jews will never let the Arabs vote themselves into power with their vast numbers the way South Africa did with the blacks. That's a fact you cannot deny, yet you claim it's a democracy? Not according to the Christian Science Monitor.
hahahahaha rachel corrie? Did you even read the evidence on that? They consistantly changed the story, and she wasn't even a peace activist considering the pictures of her burning Israeli flags. Their version of what happened consistantly changed even though they (her collegues) claimed to be right next to her. They also claimed the bulldozer clearly saw her when clearly visibility is limited. Everything they said is suspect.
You mock her death? I now understand just what kind of a person you are: inhumane and very cruel. The Israelis involved did change their stories a LOT! First it was regrettable, but the driver didn't see her. Photos surfaced where it was obvious he saw her so then they had to invent another lie. Burning a flag as a protest against ethnic cleansing hardly negates one's peace activism, so you're lying again.
At this point you've lost your credibility to the point it cannot be rehabilitated.
They were shown to have been from different incidents, while the ISM and here colleges said it was all from the same incident, then accepted later they were from different places.
Different backgrounds, similar yet different bulldozers.
You should research a bit deeper in to topics. Anyway you are too hate filled, the venom you spewed all of the sudden against Israel explained clearly why you find it so hard to accept facts.
and i'm sorry, but I don't think a person is "showing solidarity" by burning Israeli flags. I don't think a person has good intentions to help create a peaceful enviroment if they burn flags in front of children. Sorry we'll disagree on this topic. I never mocked her death though, thats what you try to place a label on me to try to move away from your venom and hate that you left here. I simply mocked how you used her as if she was a saint (thats why you mentioned her alone). That, is unture.
Now, stop trying to shift from your hate comments and stick to iran or move on to another vid. I'm bored of your out of context, lacking in analysis, venom-spewing inability to get basic facts and logic straight, as well as trying to twist what I said to mean mocking someones death.
When the knesset speaker (Dalia Itzik) was acting president (before Peres was elected), she went to the US for a trip. As with Knesset rules, the second in charge became president (Israel's highest office - capable of dismissing gov's and pardoning criminals amongst much more). The second in charge was a druze man. So to say Jews will never allow anyone else is stupid deluded nonsense, you hatefilled, lying, ignorant person.
genocidal regime? What race has been massmurdered?
If you note, 20% of Israel's population are Arabs. In the west bank (until 1993 under full Israeli control), a massive amount of the population is arab. On the other hand, the Arab world ethnically cleansed 99% (thats right, 99%) of their Jews - WHO WERE NOT IN THE WARZONE unlike Arabs in Israel.
So again, you can mouth off your misrepresentations of history, but they are irrelevent to iran's consistant behaviour towards Israel's destruction
I would start pulling out the massive amounts of evidence about the Arabs fleeing in order to allow the arab armies to destroy israel, and many fleeing due to arab radio stations spreading utter lies about rapes etc (the station reporters admited it decades later, that they thought it would help the cause but it backfired and everyone fled).
But thats a different topic and you seem far too ignorant and make far too many assumptions about history & understanding of context in relation to Israel
and all you do is ignore analysis, his own team putting his words in context, other things he's said, the fact that zionism realized = Israel and where he said that statement you paste is at "world without zionism" conference where the only international Jews were tiny sect that who want Israel destroyed and Muslim rule.
EVERYTHING points one way, you just refer back to the quote, without context, without REASONABLE explanation and ignoring everything else related. cont
Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the innacurate statement, but the quote had a life of its own. The IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading and the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.
While I was in error about the Iranian source (it's been a few months and it's early morning here in the US), it was wrong and they have since corrected it just as I did my own.
It wasn't clarified. The pres was asked SEVERAL TIMES by several US medias asking him CLEARLY and DIRECTLY. He would not give a straight answer, only say that it was exaggerated. C'mon! The FM's job is to put iran in the best light he can. Plus different people have different views. The pres has had LOTS of chances to clarify and he's taken many oppertunities to say Israel needs to be moved (e.g. no longer exist in it's form). He's used all his chances to further prove his views, not the FM's.
Anderson Cooper asked if he wants to "wipe Israel off the map". As usual, the question is thrown back in the reporter's face with his standard "Don't the Palestinians have rights?, etc." retort (which is never directly answered either). Yet he never confirms the "map" comment to be true. This did not prevent Anderson Cooper from referring to earlier portions of his interview after a commercial break and lying, "as he said earlier, he wants Israel wiped off the map". You would trust Cooper?
We both know he never uses the word Israel and yet discusses Israel constantly.
If you cannot find how he refers to it then you cannot claim in the language of ahmadinejad "Israel = Israel". There is no demonstration that he accepts Israel, accepts the Israeli people, plenty (including usage of hezbollah as proxy army) that he has attacked Israel, wants Israel destroyed. Everything points one way, you, being picky on words, point the opposite way contray to evidence. Then im the deciever? hah!
You can say all day you think this and you think that. But until he says he wants all jews killed or israel to be blown to pieces then there is no truth in your words.
well we know for sure he wants the Jews to be removed from Israel and by definition that would cause Israel to cease existing. To me thats proof of it. If you disagree thats fine, but it's my family members at stake if you are wrong and I don't bet my family and friends on debates over specifics when I strongly feel in teh big picture his views and intentions are clear whichever words he uses to portray that.
NO, he does not want the jews to be removed from Israel. He wants Israel moved from Palestinian land.
Where do your family live rulllar?
If they live in Israel, i can understand your concern for their safety, but you must not misrepresent someones speech to falsify your worry for their safety.
When he says the ''zionist regime'' He means the ''zionist regime''. That does not mean Israel, it means the regime of Israel.
It really is that simple. He wants the regime of the country to go, not the country itself.
Your ten minute video further prooves that not only do you believe in a lie, but when it is known to be a lie, you try to further put words in his mouth by stating ''By zionist regime, he means the country''
when has uttered the word Israel? Show me where he differentiates by giving an example of his views of Israelis? Zionist regime was a term used from the first day of Israel's creation to mean Israel amongst the middle eastern states.
FURTHERMORE, what is his call for putting all the people in a state made out of germany then? Is he refering to the knesset members and army chiefs who make up this "regime"? Of course not. He means the millions of Israelis.
If you have even a childs grasp of the meaning of the word ''regime'' you would understand what it meant.
This is a simple fact that you try to cover up, by putting further words into his mouth by stating ''regime means israel'' or ''regime means the Israeli people''
Regime does not mean the population, regime does not mean jews or judaism, and regime does not mean the Israeli state.
Anyone who believes in Israel is a zionist. Anyone who lives in Israel and believes it to be the state of the Jewish people is a zionist.
That covers 99.9% of the Jews in the state of Israel.
Any Israeli who votes, who believes in Israel is by definition a zionist, if you want to get picky with words. So stop lying there is a clear difference between Israel and zionism.
And again, How am I putting the words? It's Iran's own state media, it's in my links (you clearly didn't bother to read the associated notes).
You guys always accuse me of saying things. I use Iran's own GOVERNMENT RUN media here.
So stop being so petty as to try to vent at me when clearly the iranian gov was quite clear what he meant and it's just people in the west who blind themselves.
You seem to try and twist everything that he said to make it still seem as if the lie is true.
THE ZIONIST REGIME. Shall i say it again, ok, THE ZIONIST REGIME. Regime is the governement, it is the zionist hierarchy and party running the country.
It is not all of the people, the jews, or anything else.
This is a simple fact, and you continue to lie to people in your comments.
HIS IRANIAN GOVERNMENT MEDIA THEMSELVES SAID HE SAID ISRAEL SHOULD BE WIPED AWAY!!!
you are so petty you refuse to even acknowledge 3x I've written IRANIAN MEDIA THEMSELVES SAID IT! NOT JUST MEDIA BUT GOVERNMENT-RUN MEDIA!
damn get with the program. You cannot simply ignore what the iranian gov report about his words. stop being petty with me. stop being petty with words. The Iranian gov media clearly said it word for word:"Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map."
where do you think the western translations came from? They were word for word cut outs of IRIB's report from that day. There have been a number of journalists who have defended their reporting by pointing out it was iranian media which reported it using those words.
Ah so now the iranian media (GOVERNMENT MEDIA!!!) is not capable of relaying their presidents words. I see. Yet they made no correction, neither did his office request one even knowing the uproar it caused.
IRIB updates it's systems every so often. The quote was over 2 years ago and it's no longer on their server since I put the link in my vid and that link is no longer valid. However many journalists as well as leading websites and research centers used it as reference. Google may have it in cache also.
I am posting no more. Because if i proove you wrong, you then say regime means something it doesn't, or that he implied it in a different way, which is obvious bullshit.
Have fun lying to more people and deluding them.
As the jewish zionist would say, ''your a good goyim'', i suggest you look it up.
as all jewish zionists would say? What single Jewish zionist said this? Now you are proving you are a person of made up nonsense and assumptions. You didn't even use it correctly.
I'm lying? it's the iranian government media. He never complained even after all the uproar. He never once clarified he doesn't want Israel removed from the map. His foreign minister vainly tried to justify it, but Ahmadinejad, asked DIRECTLY over and over, never denied this claim. So for you to deny it is laughable.
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MrPanterahead1 10 months ago
Israel is and always has been God's land and was given to his people it will never be a Islamic holding and no I am not Jewish.The Islamic mosque in Jerusalem is only a temporary structure and the Temple will be rebuilt.
teed60 1 year ago
i am curious....how many Israeli citizens have died from Palestinian since 2000?
232323C 1 year ago
@232323C the numbers are available on the ministry of foreign affairs website.
But for every dead, we must also remember that over 95% of Palestinian attacks FAILED to reach their targets (mostly because of Israeli military activities). Hence the dead is infinitely smaller than the 'would have been dead otherwise'.
rulllar 1 year ago
Google "Ahmadinejad punished my Christian mother's rapist" and see his good work as Tehran's mayor!
Bestmanme08 1 year ago
Americans need to wake the fuck up. god damn. our goverment is corrupt. and our dumb ass people dont understand nothing but the media and propaganda
ArnorvTheMilky 1 year ago
To the uploader of this video. Do me a huge favour here and stop trying to be cool. You actually look and sound like a wanker.
JanineRobin 1 year ago
israel aint shit,usa coudlnt attack iran(if they coulda they woulda) let alone a kike state.
if jews could fight so what happened in ww2?
pedro85zaneti 1 year ago
damn...u're retarded
barkohba48 1 year ago
yeah, your right, israel doesn't have a law on its books that two thirds of the population has to be jewish, otherwise it would be an apartheid state.
nice reprimand though, i liked the part about what a waste of bandwidth. made my balls jiggle
TheVikingNinja 2 years ago
Can you show me this law?
Then, can you explain to me why it's not racist that some arab states (Arab being an ethnic group) are called "Arab republic of" or something similar, which is statement that in the west would be similar to "White republic of France"? Why do you not spend any energy on this racism?
Furthermore, Israel even had a non-Jewish acting president, a druze, for a short period. It also has 100s of Arab mayors, professors, parliamentarians. Apartheid? nonsense.
rulllar 2 years ago
But Iran is a racist state. For example they "save" one seat for a Jewish representative in parliament. They have similar regulations for some other minorities. Most people who want to see Iran destroy Israel use this to pretend Iran is "good" because it has a Jewish rep, however the reality is that this is a racist method to make sure that Jews (and OTHER minorities) also stay at the bottom, with one completely insignificant rep, never having the ability to be chosen and make a difference.
rulllar 2 years ago
Well, my post didnt seem to take..Anyway, my point is that Ahmadinejad disputes the right of Israel to exist. Israel is supossedly the homeland of Jews, and Judaism is based on the Torah, therefore what the Torah says has everything to do with Israel, and whether Israel is in direct opposition to the Word of G-d, or whether it is not. This is absolutely connected with what Ahmadinejad says, and will shed light on the facts of the situation. Like I said, I'm going to study Lamentations.
kickinbackinOC 2 years ago
No, the Jewish people include the heritage and religion, it is not exclusively the religion. The ultra-religious want it to solely be the religion, some want to remove the history of what has happened to the Jewish people and only remember the torah, but the overwhelming number of Jews see the Jews as a people, with a history, not simply a religion.
Are you implying they should ignore 2,500 years of what has happened to the Jewish people? Should reject it? Should pretend it doesn't exist?
rulllar 2 years ago
Why do conservative Rabbis say Zionism is rebellion against G-d? They cite Lamentations Chapter 2, where G-d forbids His people an earthly government until the time of Moshiach. Rabbis teach that nothing has changed since this G-d mandated exile. They say Zionists are murderers who have hi-jacked Judaism, stolen the Star of David for their banner, and established a homeland in direct opposition to the Torah. From a secular standpoint, I guess they are no worse than USA, with genocide of Indians
kickinbackinOC 2 years ago
it's not conservative rabbis, you have not investigated your sourcing. It's Naturei Karta, and sections of the satmar community. These groups represent a few thousand people, who have outright rejected all modern history, as shown in my video about them (you can view it on my page).
Considering they are but a few thousand out of a group of 13-16 MILLION, and considering they reject historical facts, their interpretation is rejected both in the religious community and in the academic one.
rulllar 2 years ago
I've been watching videos on YouTube, where the Israeli government sends goons in to bash the heads of Orthodox Jews, beat them like cattle, because they dare mention Lamentations Chapter 2, which forbids the Jews an earthly government until the time of Moshiach. I dont know too much about this, since I am not a Rabbi but they are convinced of this They feel it is clearly taught by the Torah I guess I'll have to look into it in more detail, and see if it is a matter of interpretation, as you say
kickinbackinOC 2 years ago
There are no such instances. You may have seen some of them clashing with police over specific issues, but you have never seen the police being sent just because they interpret Judaism differently! They live in Jerusalem, and they are relatively small in number. Had they been hated for their views, it would have been easy to throw them out at any point up until today. Yet they have never been kicked out. Not even after they hugged Ahmadinejad who denied the holocaust and wants to destroy Israel.
rulllar 2 years ago
But aside from all the issues that make them wrong and irrelevant that I've just mentioned, this video is about Ahmadinejad. I find it interesting that whenever I mentioned a man who calls for the destruction of another nation, when it comes to Israel, people always shift the topic to something else, like Naturei Karta, who have absolutely nothing to do with Ahmadinejad except that they shook his hand as he denied a genocide of 6m, including of some of their own families.
rulllar 2 years ago
Israel would be committing suicide by invading Iran. Theyd be facing a massive military!
Steadno 3 years ago
I don't advocate any particular action at this stage, since I have no more access to classified information than anyone else. But I think it's suicide to let Iran go nuclear. Even if it doesn't use nukes, there would always be the threat they may transfer the knowhow to other subordinate groups. It would also spark (already starting to) a middle eastern arms race.
This would make the region far far more dangerous than ever before, and it's dangerous enough!!
rulllar 3 years ago
Deciding who gets nukes is subjective and really based on maintaining power. My country, the U.S. is the only country to nuke another country yet our leaders speak with piety on this issue. If Iran did nuke Israel itd be the end of old Persia even if it was via proxy, which Iran knows.
Steadno 3 years ago
That is not strictly true. If Iran gained nukes it could cause mass destruction without even using them. It would give it and it's satilite groups an umbrella to cause destruction and death with much more boldly, knowing the other side would be scared of retaliation.
And in any case, if you start an arms race (which the Arab world is starting in retaliation for the Iranian nuclear development) then you NEVER can predict where you will end.
rulllar 3 years ago
Im sure Iran is really already creating nukes but theyre using the cover of *energy.* Even though the Iranians identify as Persian they are predominantly Muslim which seems to circumvent ethnicity and nationality. On this basis I dont foresee internal any conflicts.
Steadno 3 years ago
Why not? Between the economic damage that far lower oil prices will bring? Where Ahmadinejad is now trying to get rid of subsidies that will raise inflation many percent instantly? Between the Arab-origin and Persian-origin and Kurdish-origin sections of Iran? There are many factors in Iran. They may be powerful but an economic decline may cause serious instability. Whether it turns out or not, it's not a risk that can be taken with a nuclear power and may be catastrophic for all.
rulllar 3 years ago
steadno...and your John Kenneth Galbraith? Brent Scowcroft?
Israel has invaded or bombed a nation...Iraq...
It could do it to Iran...too...watch out...
dudemantwo 2 years ago
the FACT that israel is a occupier,
and that you IGNORE that fact. because of your ignorancy and blind support a terrorist state against humanity
The question that you cant answer because its irrational to answer from a NON-moral argument is... what gives the jews the right to israel and occupy
there is no excuse for israels actions they choose to live there.. and they knew they would get trouble. I know you cant answer me SO STOP acting like jwz are victims
erdal0 3 years ago 2
the fact is that you are unable to discuss Iran on a VIDEO ABOUT IRAN. You do not mention the Iranian leader, even though this video is basically about him.
Therefore you show how twisted your accusations are, that you cannot even make them on anything related to the topic at hand.
Change the subject all you want (and all anti-israelis do), it doesn't stop my points. In fact peoples inability to discuss them directly highlights how unable to hold a logical discussion they are.
rulllar 3 years ago
I in no way support either side of the conflict, mainly because I believe I still don't have all the information & am not aware of *every* circumstance surrounding the conflict.
Obviously neither side will be happy if the land is given to the other side, so the conflict will continue. So my 1st question is, what's your solution to the conflict?
My 2nd question is, regardless of *current* Arab hostilities toward Israel, was the huge influx of Jews into Palestine after 1948 jutified? and how?
wabawoba 3 years ago
Hi there, This particular vid was actually about Iran, not Israel, but I'm happy to discuss those issues. I prefer to work methodically (point by point), I hope thats fine with you.
1) Israel has given Egypt the sinai for TRUE peace (cold peace with egyptian breaches, but peace SO-FAR non-the-less). It has left Gaza, parts of West Bank. It is negotiating a withdrawal from Golan and offered 97pct in 2000 and 93pct recently of the west bank. Israel has offered the land, the other sides rejected.
rulllar 3 years ago
I don't take sides because I don't FULLY understand the conflict & I know better than to swallow media representations.
I've seen vids where CBS misquoted Ahmadinejad saying that Israel "is a fabricated government", when he was really calling for democracy in what he terms the "Zionist regime".
Yet I've also seen vids with him unexcusably whipping crowds into frenzies of "Death to Israel".
3) Does Israel really exclude Palestinians from the democratic process, or is he simply anti-Israel?
wabawoba 3 years ago
your full of bull shit little criminal zionist....
zets13 3 years ago
Ah yes, the ultimate display of the anti-zionist.
Foul mouthed, rude, abusive, inaccurate and absolutely pathetic.
Thanks for writing in and joining in the debate with your 2 cents.
rulllar 3 years ago
Foul mouthed, rude, abusive, inaccurate and absolutely pathetic
The Explanation of Zionist state...isn't it? oh And add IGNORANT
"Israel has given sina for true peace" doesn't it mean rude?
"It has left Gaza and Golan and west bank"
and keep the rest unlawfully.Doesn't it mean Abusive?
You better shut the fuck up and try not to be ignorant.
zets13 3 years ago
sorry, but Israel has not withdrawan from the Golan, get your facts straight.
As for your other comments, please learn to use proper grammer. Your points lose their sparkle when they don't make sense!
Also, yes, Israel did all those things for peace, I thank you for pointing it out. Whats your point?
Do you also have any comments about the actual video or you avoid Iran because you have no way to answer my points? It's always funny to see people spam Israel on a video about IRAN.
rulllar 3 years ago
ok mr GRAMMER
what do u wanna hear about IRAN?
yes, IRAN is the regional super power.IRAN has many serious problem with U.S and U.K.
israel is their pupet and IRAN is trying to fuck this pupet to get its points. Are you clear? mr Grammer?
zets13 3 years ago
I'm not "mr Grammer", I was just saying your last point was did not make proper sense.
My point about Iran was it's secret nuclear program, combined with it's LONG-RANGE (not "regional range") missile program, combined with nuclear plans FOUND in Iran about converting missiles to fit nuclear warheads. Thats not regional power, thats a worldwide nuclear threat. Iran has also bombed civilian sites worldwide (like Argentina). Thats not regional, thats worldwide terrorist activity.
rulllar 3 years ago
blo blo blo So what do you expect my friend?
U.S pull down the democratic government in iran , because of its interests.World wide support for saddam to attack IRAN for 8 damn years.U.S threat close to its boarders.Atomic Israel,Pakistan,India in its region...who is threat?. Argentina was not IRAN's job. Believe me these are bull shit.There is many people who hate Israel and jews (Unfortunately)in the world.
Jews are victims of zionism.The are all brain washed.
zets13 3 years ago
I prefer to believe the investigators who spent years on it! Why believe you? What do you know they don't?
You forget, you say Atomic Israel because Iran and Israel are enemies right? Well you are wrong. Israel never had problems with Iran. Israeli leaders saw Iran as a friend. As a country that could one day bridge the gap with the Arab world and Israel.
It's ALL IRANS DECISION to have Israel as an enemy. They must therefore face the consequences of trying to destroy Israel.
rulllar 3 years ago
You cannot create an enemy, then suddenly say you need weapons to defend yourself! Thats psychotic.
Israel was never Iran's enemy. In fact, it has already been shown that in the early years of the Islamic revolution, when the mullah's were desperate, they bought weapons from Israel to defend against Iraq. Israel also bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities in 81, if it hadn't Iran would be nuked by now! Yet after all this, Iran turned Israel in to enemy #1. This is ALL Iran's fault.
rulllar 3 years ago
All these shit that islamic government says are just their political bullshits.THEY WILL NOT ATTACK ISRAEL. Iranians won't let them doing these.
and all the world know, but instead of finding a real solution they talk about war.
zets13 3 years ago
what do you mean real solution? You cannot say the world is being unfair when the leaders of Iran, with nuclear plants and drawings for nuclear warheads and threaten other countries.
What solutions do you think would be enough? The world has offered Iran assistance with their nuclear program so long as they come clean. break on the sactions, other positive suggestions. To say they havn't tried looking for a formula to solve this is not true.
rulllar 3 years ago
1 continued) the key 'land' UN resolution is 242. However while those attacking Israel always cite the land-withdrawal point, they ignore the fact that the resolution requires an end to belligerence and to respect the territorial integrity of the states (which means arab respecting Israel's independence and it's right to exist). This is why the Palestinians have not yet signed. They cannot respect Israel's independence and thats shown by their demand for 5m people to move to Israel.
rulllar 3 years ago
1 last) So the land was on offer.. so if land is the problem... then whats the problem? :)
2) In 1948 over 1/3 of Palestinains were Jews, Beduin, Druze and other. They all created Israel while Arab states swallowed up what should've been Palestine (west bank, Gaza). It is not uncommon for nations with large different ethnic/cultural groups to divide. Once it was Israel, Israeli laws had their own independent immigration laws. This is perfectly normal. What is the problem with this?
rulllar 3 years ago
So Israel offered the Palestinians land which they refused?! I've always thought the Palestinians were displaced & had their land seized by Israel. So basically, you're saying that the Palestinians are playing "martyr" by making their own situation difficult by refusing the land?
So Israel developped democratically from the start? Simply because they were the majority in that particular area? & the problem exists simply because the Islamic countries don't want a Jewish nation in their midst?
wabawoba 3 years ago
In the 1948 lands they were displaced from fighting. I discussed the 2000 97 percent and 2008 93 percent offers of the west bank and 100 percent is already in Palestinian hands in Gaza.
But the fight for Israel was not democratic, it was violent. You must remember there was NO STATE there. So when the british left, and nations were created in the vacuum, the Jews, Druze and Beduin created Israel. There was meant to be a Palestine, but Arab nations killed that idea by annexing the land.
rulllar 3 years ago
It should be remembered there was a nationalist upswing that was spreading like lightning in the Arab world. The idea that a non-arab non-islamic entity rising in the middle of the arab nations was completely unacceptable to them, this is well recorded. The UN partitioned Palestine (which was not a nation but a region) because a committee went to investigate the options for it and said they saw clearly the Arabs did not accept and refused to promise security for the Jews there in a state.
rulllar 3 years ago
Thank you for taking the time to answer. I think I understand your view. I'd always thought that Palestine was an established nation at that time & that the land was stolen from them.
So after the British left Palestine, there was no government? The UN stepped in to offer a fair solution but the Arab nations opposed it?
I still don't support terrorism on either side even as counter-attack, but my knowledge of the conflict's history has improved. I'll do some more research. Thanks.
wabawoba 3 years ago
I think you getting to work would be quite a good idea...
sarahdeen 3 years ago
I already have a job, thank you for the concern.
rulllar 3 years ago
First of all he was quoting Imam Khomeini so it was not even his own words .then after saying this regime occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time he made example like communism was Russia wiped off the map? I don't think so
mani5ez 3 years ago
hahahahahahahahahaha...
check the comments. I've covered this 10000000 times now. Sorry but i'm not going to get in to it again. The fact is his many many statements together easily prove over and over that "regime" means all Israelis (E.g. the country). He has called for everyone to be moved to a country in Europe. Did anyone ever call for removing Russians from Russia? Sorry weak argument.
Furthermore, he said answering a q: "as the imam said" if I recall... it means his opinion is the same
rulllar 3 years ago
Regime does mean the whole isreal and people living in it. it means the current government of israel.
and when did he asked every one to move to europe ?
mani5ez 3 years ago
I thought you speak farsi? Didn't you see when he said they should make a country out of Germany and move people there?
One example of the many he's said: "If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel,"
Why would they need to set up another country? What just for a government with no people? He's saying to give the jews alaska meaning instead of Israel. He's said this many times.
rulllar 3 years ago
Lol mate that makes no scense at all.
If you have watched the whole interview instead of only 2-3 mins of it you would know what he meant.
What he was saying was Palastian was not involved in holocuast and did not kill any jews in ww2 so israel should not pick on them for their loss in WW2 if they want a land they should have asked the country that killed so many of them like germany
mani5ez 3 years ago
mate firstly the local leadder of the Palestinians was a friend of Hitlers and tried to get hitlers help against the Jews there. Secondly he's said these statements many times. And which interview are you talking about? Are you talking about the 60 minutes? Don't you read iran's news. I'm talking about the many times he's said it as it was quoted in IRNA for example.. I don't use 1 interview.
He was asked about his statements MANY times, i'm yet to see him clearly saying it was misinterpreted
rulllar 3 years ago
That was what he clearly said.
If the holocuast happned and 6 million jew died what was the role of palastian what did they do that they deserve situation they have right now.
then he added if they were looking for a land they should have gone to germany or their great ally USA to get a land to live in
mani5ez 3 years ago
he didn't speak past tense, he's speaking CURRENT tense.
rulllar 3 years ago
past or current tense still makes hell of alot scense to me
mani5ez 3 years ago
no.
If he travelled back in time 61 years (before Israel was actually declared).. he could ask them "why don't you do this?"
If he is speaking today... that means he wants it INSTEAD OF Israel.
big big difference.
rulllar 3 years ago
Thirdly, you've picked a great time to leave a comment. Yesturday Syria's deputy foreign minister (probably Irans closest ally in the world, where the government are very close and cooperate greatly) said Syria disagrees with Irans desire to have Israel destroyed. He was clear it was Israel, not a specific gov. Since he knows the Iranian leaders personally, he would know their view well. And he doesn't get it from Western interpretations but from Iran's gov.
It's completely transparent.
rulllar 3 years ago
Oh. One more thing, vanish from the pages of time is how Juan Cole interpreted it. Why don't ppl accept the many other interpretations? THE ORIGINAL statement (wipe off the map) came from IRANS OWN STATE MEDIA's English services!
Why do ppl follow what some random anti-israeli professor says... yet not iran's own translators? Tehrans professors (who I quoted)? Others?
ppl can't only pick the one source they like and ignore everything else, especially much more credible sources.... take care
rulllar 3 years ago
Because i dont need a fucking translater i can speak farsi my self i can translate it my self.
When and which iran State Media says that and where is your proof??
mani5ez 3 years ago
I think it was irib. It's where the newspapers got the quote! look in to it!
Furthermore, if you can speak farsi.. why did you end up with the EXACT QUOTE of Juan Cole? Why so different from the quote of the tehran professors who had a different translation to Juan?
I find that very strange.
rulllar 3 years ago
if it was IRIB they still keep their old news show it to me or gemme a link!!!
Because at first i didnt hear his speach live on tv but the day after that i saw it the translation on the news when i sreached for the exact words that he used that i found that translation and it made more scence
mani5ez 3 years ago
Sorry it wasn't IRIB, it was the presidents English site.
They have removed data going that far back (2005). But it's well recorded that this is where western media got their translation from. You can just type it in to search.
rulllar 3 years ago
I know that the Israelis created some "terror groups" meant to attract radicals, but then the groups took on lives of their own, which almost makes me believe in Karma ;-]
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
You have the manners of an ape, but that's not the point. You have not proved your fact free assertions at all. While it can be proven what the Iranian President said and did not say, but you have not and cannot prove otherwise. However, if you feel up to the challenge I'll examine your evidence.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
the manners of an ape? Very nice. I appriciate that. I have not proven my fact-free assertions? EVERYTHING I said was based on facts. EVERYTHING. There are plenty of links in the notes (and they are few compared to the countless out there for someone doing research). To call it fact-free is rather foolish considering it's all based on facts. You can make whatever insults you want, but everything I have is sourced. All you have provided is a personal attack. Very impressive.
rulllar 3 years ago
Well, you start out and you are eating with your mouth somewhat open (you and President Bush...), but let me run an errand and I'll rebut your rebuttal.
;-]
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
You mean the mainstream media TOLD you that they were facts. It appears that the Canadian press if slowly catching on that they were lied to, but there's speculation that there will be no mea culpa as that would be very, very embarrassing for the CBC to admit to parroting a lie. However, time will tell.
Please understand that I believed this Big Lie, too, just as I believed Pres. Bush sr. when told us Saddam's troops were killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators!
We had been lied to.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
what mainstream media? You constantly make assumptions about my information. I have such varied sources in my links in all my vids. Next you'll tell me I watch fox news right?
As for Saddam - I don't know what Bush said, I know what evidence does exist of what Saddam did in the Iran war and against Shi'as and Kurds using his gas weapons. I don't need Bush to tell me such things.
rulllar 3 years ago
No, I will not accuse you of watching Fox News, but that doesn't prove the Iranian President threatened to do what you said he did. Since you haven't proven he did (you haven't) it's the only rational conclusion I can make. My major in college was Administration of Justice & we were taught that the people prosecuting their case must prove their case, which is something you've failed to do.
Since you can't prove that he did (because he didn't), it's going to be interesting watching you try.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
but please, save me the hasstle and don't come back with that outdated nonsense of Juan Cole (the same nonsense representativepress used - almost in cut and paste form since he has little original thought). All you guys who begin with an insult against me just bring up that tired, dated case.
If you have something fresh that disproves my sources, feel free. IF you will just repeat what has been said 50x on my comments, don't bother.
rulllar 3 years ago
You don't get it: you failed to prove that that the Iranian President said that. After seeing four different translations and other news agencies say that he said no such thing, I thought that RepPress was late.
The NY Times and all the other sources you cited failed to make their case. All you are doing is parroting incorrect sources. Can you (not parrot but you) prove he said that?
Be certain that you append complete references and citations to support your
answers to each question.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
but thats just his use of grammer. In the middle east for DECADES zionist has meant Israeli. DECADES. It's only in Europe and the US where the distinction is made. You looked at four different translations? If I said Persian did I mean Iranian? Well? Iran is what was the actual persian empire. Iran was also renamed from Persia. It's quite obvious if I said something bad about 'persians' that I meant Iranians.
rulllar 3 years ago
If I say "Persia should be wiped out" right now - would any normal person be deluded as to think I didn't mean Iran? Perhaps as a world-class historian from a respected university and background you could accept I made a distinction, but he does not.
In all his speeches when asked about ISRAEL he responds "the zionist regime". Israel = the zionist regime otherwise why would he always refer to it in such a manner EXCEPT THIS ONCE? The argument that he didn't use the exact word Israel is weak.
rulllar 3 years ago
Your analogy is fatally flawed. He didn't say "Persia." He said rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the landmass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
regime occupying Jerusalem is again, a term (I don't know if repeated identically or similarly) to one used by arabs for DECADES to refer to Israel.
Back in the day before even a few arab states recognized Israel, all would refer to Israel as "zionist entity" and Israeli gov as "zionist regime".
He is clearly continuing the "pre-accepted" period which also some other arab countries continue.
Again, you just have to find the meaning of zionism - Creation of Israel to see how clear it is.
rulllar 3 years ago
No, because he *never* threatened to wipe ANYTHING off the map. The word "map" was never even used. Nowhere in his entire speech was the phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet you would have me believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
How do you account for that?
I am still waiting for your proof.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
I have already covered this 500x. You seem to just ignore it and repeat yourself. Read my messages again and you'll clearly see.
1) Zionist regime = Israel, Zionist entity = Israel.
2) Wipe off the map may not be strictly accurate, but professors from tehran university themselves said "wipe away" is more fitting. Fine, lets take wipe away. Wipe Israel away is still the same thing with less dramatic rhetoric.
That covers your two points.
3) cont
rulllar 3 years ago
it was at the world without zionism conference and made references to the end of zionism. What is zionism? a movement to create & maintain Israel.
4) He refers to solving this by shipping off all the people who live there in to a new state in Europe. CLEARLY NOT A REGIME BUT THE NATION AS A WHOLE.
5) I've covered so many more points I don't see why I should repeat them because you cannot read and analyse. I just wrote a few more comments before to another recent post you made, check'm
rulllar 3 years ago
as they note, he doesn't even refer to ISrael by name. I've already covered this point.
In the past, before Israel was accepted as a reality (and in some circles it still is not), leaders wouldn't refer to it as Israel but the zionist regime.
Who are the ONLY "Israelis" (quote unquote since they don't really accept that title) he talks to ? Extremist Jews who reject Israel's right to exist and want to live under an islamic regime. EVERYTHING, not just that one speech, point the same direction
rulllar 3 years ago
His entire discussion there was the same. You forget it was Iran's own government media (e.g. media that is run by his gov) that first used this translation. The reason is they were clearly explained the context and meaning and in Iran's gov media there was obviously no doubt whatsoever what was meant. The doubt came from a bunch of regularly anti-israeli academics in the US several 1000 miles away. Funny that.
The Iranian media, run by his gov, understood what he meant perfectly.
rulllar 3 years ago
You're off topic here as this isn't supportable evidence that the Iranian President said that Israel should be wiped off the map. Don't worry about any translations other than the independent ones available to the public and understand that corporate media will lie or be too lazy to check facts.
These are merely rambling opinions made by you. Were you aware that it's considered common knowledge over there that nuclear weapons are against Islam? No wiping off the map without those.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
is that right? well they still have not answered to the IAEA why designs of nuclear warheads were found on a laptop. Why nuclear particles far beyond "civilian" purposes were found on some consoles. You tell me not to buy the media reports then you buy the iranian gov's version of events? Thats 10000x as crazy.
Why is nothing supportable by facts? Zionist regime/entity = Israel is a term used for decades. WELL KNOWN WELL PROVEN. He answers Q's about Israel with "zionist regime". So its israel.
rulllar 3 years ago
Because the "found laptops" are laughably weak considering how downright COMMON "discovered" evidence of that nature is. Man, do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you're that gullible. That's a favorite tactic of several of our alphabet agencies. Just like the so-called laptops found in Afghanistan telling tall tales of Al-Queda plans in Iraq. Oh, then there was the laptop of a bin Laden associate and many other "found" evidence that was no doubt planted.
Get the idea?
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
the IAEA said that what was found would be very hard to fake. Considering the IAEA is the same one thats trying to avoid conflict, and baredai has been dragging his feet while the US is pushing hard (Eg not doing what they think is justified) he clearly has no reason to lie and side against Iran when he's been reasonably friendly in terms of his actions. "evidence" on it's own is easy to fake. Accurate evidence when you have little intelligence is not.
rulllar 3 years ago
He has called for a state to be created out of Germany and people to be moved there. Clearly that means all the Israelis. What the 120 knesset members that make up the gov? Give me a break.
he hates Israel so much he won't refer to it as Israel. Has he ever said the word Israel? Clearly he refers to Israel somehow. Why not the way it's been done for DECADES by arabs - zionist regime? It's obvious he's continuing the standard middle eastern usage of that word, not some US academics version!
rulllar 3 years ago
Yes, the United Nations carved up the Middle East due to sympathy for Jewish suffering during WWII, but that still wasn't a valid excuse to displace millions of innocent Palestinians. Considering how much awful, awful suffering that has gone on since, it is perfectly understandable for the Iranian President to ask, why shouldn't they have been given land in Germany where they were interned?
However, *none* of that proves the Iranian President said any such thing.
Still waiting for proof.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
I thought you accused me of changing the topic? Now you go in to another topic and display MASSIVE amounts of ignorance... utter ignorance about the origins of the Israeli-arab dispute and the refugee crisis. Damn man I could write a book of 80 pages correcting the level of inaccurate portrayal of history you just displayed.
proof? You reject that zionist entity/regime means Israel. All you care about is 1 word, not intent. He never ever ever says Israel so how can I show what he never says?
rulllar 3 years ago
Stay focused as strong emotions color clear thinking & are a large part of the problem. Your false accusations & ad hominem prove nothing.
What exactly did the Iranian President want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing! That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech.
If you can prove he even said the word "map" then present it.
I'll wait.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
wiped off the map was the translation in context of the Iranian government media reporting what thier own president said. It's their clear view. They have never been asked by the president to rewrite it.
Further more, alternative translations include "wipe away". "Wipe the zionist regime away" is basically the same thing with a bit less flare.
rulllar 3 years ago
He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away. Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick,"
Thats a quote FROM THE PRESIDENT OF IRANS WEBSITE. The segment is titled:
Ahmadinejad: Supporters of Israel will face wrath of Islamic ummah
Guess what? Remember, thats no longer gov media, it's the presidents website. cont
rulllar 3 years ago
in it he doesn't actually say Israel, he says zionist regime.
Yet his actual press secretary, who are emissaries on his behalf, VERY VERY clearly say it means israel.
some more (presidents website): "he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world"
That was in context of Arab nations recognizing Israel's existence.
Again zionst regime = israel's existence.
how much more do we need to go over this?
rulllar 3 years ago
hmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick,"
Zionist regimes withdrawal from gaza. Who withdrew from gaza? Israel withdrew from gaza
Zionist regime withdrawal = Israeli withdrawal.
It's all so clear if you use judgement for one second.
rulllar 3 years ago
As I said, the IRANIAN PRESIDENTS OWN MEDIA placed the headline EXACTLY THE SAME: to wipe israel off the map. THATS WHERE THE QUOTE COMES FROM !!!
In all his interviews, he responds to questions about Israel with ZIONIST REGIME. Therefore, he is either a complete moron who cannot translate the word israel in to farsi and therefore says Zionist regime, or he views Israel as the reality: The zionist entity. After all, Israel's creation & existance IS THE WHOLE POINT OF ZIONISM!
rulllar 3 years ago
Then you should have NO PROBLEM providing a link to such an Iranian source! Once you have done that you'll be able to say that you made your case! Simple!
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
what to what the iranian president said and how his press team (the presidents press team) released it? If the quote I put were accurate you'll be happy with what i'm saying?
rulllar 3 years ago
w w w president ir () eng () ahmadinejad () cronicnews () 1384/08/4()index-e.htm
remove spaces, add dots where needed. Every time you see a () it means /. The rest is pasted as is.
Also on there: "He added that a world without the US and Israel would be possible."
HIS PRESS TEAM.
But I note I do not rely on that for my case, it's just futher examples of it to me.
rulllar 3 years ago
again to me the snippets make up the case. You seem to reject that, your call. But I think a case is made by reading in to what people say, analysing it, seeing it in the local context, not through US professors. Thats why I think 1, 5, 15 links, they all demonstrate similar things. His attitude is his wish for Israel destroyed. His arming of Hezbollah with missiles, training of Hamas to build missiles, Fatah is clear proof he's doing it, so far slightly, but who knows in a few years.
rulllar 3 years ago
I suggest you look up zionist regime:
Zionist entity is a term used primarily in the Arab world[1][2][3] as a pejorative euphemism for the State of Israel.[4][5]. The phrase is seen as a means of expressing extreme hostility towards Israel,[1] and denying Israel's existence.[2][8][9]
wikipedia entry on zionist regime/entity with plenty of sourcing for thost comments as you can see.
Also: zionism = belief in Israel's right to exist and wanting it to exist. So even then it's clearly Israel.
rulllar 3 years ago
I looked them up, but that didn't prove your case.
You appear to be half my age & you haven't become jaded & skeptical of lying govts & media, it seems. It took me years to become the extreme skeptic that I am today.
There's no shame in taking a step back to reconsider things.
Simple rule of thumb: never, ever believe a single damned word that the United States government (or mainstream media) says, any time, on any subject. Assume they're lying all the time, and you can't go wrong.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
again you write utter nonsense, no offense.
Only my NYC link is american, and I havn't quoted the US gov once... you keep just throwing these things in the air about me as if they are facts... it really makes no sense your accusations. At no point did I say I trust the US gov to be completely honest with me, nor do I rely on them for information, yet you keep leaving messages as if i do.. it's really bizzare what you keep saying.
rulllar 3 years ago
My message had to be truncated due to space constraints. I just meant that I have become so jaded by dishonest govt. and mass media that that's a damn good rule of thumb to live by. What you fail to understand is that the mass media frequently presents government press releases as fact, but never mind all that then.
Where's your proof the Iranian President threatened to wipe Israel off the map?
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
considering I even went as far as quoting Al Jazeera and Iran's media, I think I deserve a bit more credit than the utter untrue attacks you launch at me. Also you refuse to use ANY analitical skills. It seems to me you are too busy not believing the US gov that instead you've opted to reject anything they say and therefore must side against them. So when someone comes and brings evidence that is at least somewhat supportive of them, you cannot accept it and try to find cheapshots to reject it.
rulllar 3 years ago
I provide statements from several times (inc holocaust conference). The quote you bring (out of date nonsense) was from "a world without zionism" convension he made. What is zionism? The movement of a Jewish national homeland - Israel.
You have refused 100% to use the SLIGHTEST BIT OF ANALYSIS! instead opting for the foolish "if he didn't use a certain word thats end of case no matter how clear analysis is". on political & middle eastern events without analysis you end up massively inaccurate
rulllar 3 years ago
Sure I have: my analysis shows that one should approach such war drum-beating accusations with an extremely skeptical eye, but I am still waiting for a link in the description area for your Iranian source. You're trying to convince me that you're right without offering proof, hence your bizarre accusation about not using analysis.
What you're doing is called "rationalizing" & that's far from being synonymous with proof.
Still waiting for evidence that I know cannot be forthcoming.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
I JUST PASTED IT IN THE COMMENTS SECTION JUST NOW! why don't you read my comments? I put it 5 mins ago!
w w w president ir () eng () ahmadinejad () cronicnews () 1384/08/4()index-e.htm
remove spaces, add dots where needed. Every time you see a () it means /. The rest is pasted as is.
rulllar 3 years ago
I stand corrected as Iran's official propaganda arm used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it WITHOUT verifying its accuracy *NOT* referring to the source.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
yes. The IRNA put context on it. The president never said that this was clearly wrong, he only said what is reported about him is "exaggerated". Not exactly convincing.
But in any case this isn't IRNA, It's his personal website press releases by his personal press team.
Clearly nobody thought, after a worldwide uproar, that this was inaccurate enough to correct, and again, neither did the president say this is actually wrong, only that what is reported is exaggerated.
rulllar 3 years ago
As Mark Twain said: "A lie will go around the world before the truth gets its shoes on."
The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
Despite one mistep, I made my case. Now it's your turn.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
I put that quote in context for you, I also included other aspects of things he's said to demonstrate he clearly wants Israel gone.
You reject it time and time again, and everytime my case builds up you just revert back to this.
It's clear you are more interested in repeating Juan Cole than trying to understand what a middle easterner means when he's talking in relation to Israel. So I suggest we leave it at that cos I've clearly set out a rather large amount of detail about his behaviour
rulllar 3 years ago
Revert back to wanting evidence? Yes! What's wrong with wanting proof? What's wrong with wanting a genocidal regime to be replaced with a compassionate one? Somehow, you think wanting such a regime means Israel must be detroyed, but a regime change would be nice.
However, seeing as how you make a leap of conclusions instead of insisting on proof, I will agree with you that we've reached an impasse.
It was an interesting debate and I will move on in lieu of evidence from you.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
well, I think anyone reading the amount of different things i've offered would probably disagree with you, unless they come in after that juan cole reading and therefore cannot also see anything beyond it.
I've offered a whole range of links that demonstrate his behaviour and general attitude, as well as irans own policy to heavily arm groups that only seek Israel's destruction - no peace. So for you to imply that this he is about peace is utter lies and deception towards yourself.
rulllar 3 years ago
That's yet another conclusion you jump to and it's incorrect as well. Like an Orthodox Rabbi, I am an anti-Zionist, but I hardly want Israel wiped off the map. So long as Zionism (an even more perverted form of Nazism, if it's me you're asking) then there will never be any peace. Not with the IDF having studied the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to have used those tactics recently on Lebanon, but your mind is made up and you cannot be reasoned with. All that it takes for evil to triumph and all that.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
now we see why you cannot accept the case i made and keep reverting back.
Firstly - hahahaha, like an orthodox rabbi? Orthodox rabbis almost entire support Israel, Neturei karta (the main anti-zionist movement along with 1-2 smaller others) are ULTRA-orthodox firstly, and secondly they number in the small thousands, out of 13-15 million Jews or about 3-4 million orthodox.
rulllar 3 years ago
That simply isn't true as was reported in the Jewsh Weekly Foreward, but I admit I have let my subscription lapse. However, check out JewsNotZionists dot org for a real eye opening experience ;-]
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
i've seen it a million times, all anti-israelis try to send me there. They are very small in numbers and are a very very very small insignificant part of the orthodox.
It's amazing how the anti-israelis latch on to a small sect to try to say "this is what the majority feel".
utterly ignorant.
rulllar 3 years ago
look you are completely ignorant, hatefilled and think you are saying something clever by pointing me to a site of a small sect that every other israel-hater has forwarded me to in a vain attempt to justify their hatred by overhyping that groups numbers.
This topic is Iran. We've discussed it. Now you can go away if you have nothing more to say on that issue. I've disproven you there and here on Israel, but enough's enough on a different topic. Stick to the topic.
rulllar 3 years ago
Me? My, god, man, you were deriving a sadistic pleasure over the death of Rachel Corrie mere minutes ago.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
I didn't show any pleasure. I feel no pleasure at all. I mocked how you try to use her as an example of Israeli actions when clearly she was deeply involved in anti-israeli activity, and the entire case surrounding her is filled with holes and lies by her companions who were supposedly with her.
You take "mocking her death" freom that? Twisted joker.
rulllar 3 years ago
to take zionism, basically a movement to create Israel, and to turn it so political as to completely twist it's meaning. And to even call it worse than nazism, well you are more foolish than a fool if you are so happy to throw out a comparison of creating Israel, with the massmurder of 6 million Jews, countless other minorities and creation of a world war that cost many many many millions of lives.
Utterly foolish.
What you want in relation to Israel is irrelevent to Ahmadinejad, get a clue.
rulllar 3 years ago
Despite their first goal of creating a homeland in Uganda first (look it up), the Zionists succeeded in already occupied land. That's one reason why I use the word neo-Zionist, as does the Foreword.
It is the fool who blindly believes incorrect sources now proven false, but I would say the same to you as you no doubt want Israel to continue with its slow motion genocide, as reported by Prof. Norman Finkelstein.
Yes, our desires should not color the truth, but you cannot say that.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
I think I know the history well. Uganda was considered as a transfer point. Very few seriously considered it as a true alternative.
Damn man do the most basic of research.
Finkelstein is a moron. He is clearly delusional and in interviews has stated his political views very openly, which you can see reflected in his historical understanding. First he decides, then he finds evidence for it. Not looks at evidence and draws conclusions.
rulllar 3 years ago
slow motion genocide huh? I see...
so in this genocide... the arab population keeps increasing exponentially... I see how that works... waw you are really smart.
The stats clearly tell a much better story than you ripping off finkelstein. you say I ignore facts? How can someone be so foolish as to say there's a genocide when the population is growing vastly and has higher life expetency (before intifada in 2000) than most other arabs as well as higher literacy?
Utterly moronic claim.
rulllar 3 years ago
Wow, look who's the moron as Jews increased in numbers during WWII, too. Congratulations! You're now a holocaust denier!
What a loon!
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
"According to the American Jewish Yearbook, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million."
"Before the Nazi takeover of power in 1933, Europe had a vibrant and mature Jewish culture. By 1945, most European Jews--two out of every three--had been killed." - US holocaust memorial museum.
you sheep of hate and misinformation. You are making more foolish statements constantly one after another. Abosolute tool.
rulllar 3 years ago
look you are completely ignorant, hatefilled and think you are saying something clever by pointing me to a site of a small sect that every other israel-hater has forwarded me to in a vain attempt to justify their hatred by overhyping that groups numbers.
This topic is Iran. We've discussed it. Now you can go away if you have nothing more to say on that issue. I've disproven you there and here on Israel, but enough's enough on a different topic. Stick to the topic.
rulllar 3 years ago
regime change - you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Israel has changed gov countless times. All democratic.
Many Arab politicians have, decades after they retired, consistantly stated that they outright rejected negotiations while israel seeked it consistantly.
So for you to mouth off these inaccuracies, ignorant misrepresentation of history is amusing, but irrelevent to Iran's military arming of thousands of weapons to groups that ONLY want Israel's destruction, no peace.
rulllar 3 years ago
That would be like saying we could've accepted a Nazi Germany if only Heinrich Himmler had been permitted to replace Hitler. A Nazi is a Nazi and a Zionist is a Zionist. The Zionists have built their Apartheid wall and got away with murdering Rachel Corrie.
Jews will never let the Arabs vote themselves into power with their vast numbers the way South Africa did with the blacks. That's a fact you cannot deny, yet you claim it's a democracy? Not according to the Christian Science Monitor.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
hahahahaha rachel corrie? Did you even read the evidence on that? They consistantly changed the story, and she wasn't even a peace activist considering the pictures of her burning Israeli flags. Their version of what happened consistantly changed even though they (her collegues) claimed to be right next to her. They also claimed the bulldozer clearly saw her when clearly visibility is limited. Everything they said is suspect.
rulllar 3 years ago
You mock her death? I now understand just what kind of a person you are: inhumane and very cruel. The Israelis involved did change their stories a LOT! First it was regrettable, but the driver didn't see her. Photos surfaced where it was obvious he saw her so then they had to invent another lie. Burning a flag as a protest against ethnic cleansing hardly negates one's peace activism, so you're lying again.
At this point you've lost your credibility to the point it cannot be rehabilitated.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
you obviously didn't see the pictures properly.
They were shown to have been from different incidents, while the ISM and here colleges said it was all from the same incident, then accepted later they were from different places.
Different backgrounds, similar yet different bulldozers.
You should research a bit deeper in to topics. Anyway you are too hate filled, the venom you spewed all of the sudden against Israel explained clearly why you find it so hard to accept facts.
rulllar 3 years ago
and i'm sorry, but I don't think a person is "showing solidarity" by burning Israeli flags. I don't think a person has good intentions to help create a peaceful enviroment if they burn flags in front of children. Sorry we'll disagree on this topic. I never mocked her death though, thats what you try to place a label on me to try to move away from your venom and hate that you left here. I simply mocked how you used her as if she was a saint (thats why you mentioned her alone). That, is unture.
rulllar 3 years ago
Now, stop trying to shift from your hate comments and stick to iran or move on to another vid. I'm bored of your out of context, lacking in analysis, venom-spewing inability to get basic facts and logic straight, as well as trying to twist what I said to mean mocking someones death.
pathetic.
rulllar 3 years ago
a zionist is a zionist? Thats true. Someone who believes in ISrael's right to exist believes in israel's right to exist.
I love how quickly you display your utter hatred towards Israel and pull out random crap.
It's clear, VERY CLEAR now why you so readily ignored facts, context, the presidents own team. It unfortunately didn't fit your ideology.
haha you became so see-through so quickly it's amazing.
rulllar 3 years ago
More fact free assertions.
Remember one thing: you *still* have not produced one bit of verified proof.
You haven't, but you'll resort to name calling again.
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
yes. don't worry, I've provided nothing. Don't worry your hatefilled mind about it.
rulllar 3 years ago
as for arabs voting themselves in to power:
When the knesset speaker (Dalia Itzik) was acting president (before Peres was elected), she went to the US for a trip. As with Knesset rules, the second in charge became president (Israel's highest office - capable of dismissing gov's and pardoning criminals amongst much more). The second in charge was a druze man. So to say Jews will never allow anyone else is stupid deluded nonsense, you hatefilled, lying, ignorant person.
rulllar 3 years ago
genocidal regime? What race has been massmurdered?
If you note, 20% of Israel's population are Arabs. In the west bank (until 1993 under full Israeli control), a massive amount of the population is arab. On the other hand, the Arab world ethnically cleansed 99% (thats right, 99%) of their Jews - WHO WERE NOT IN THE WARZONE unlike Arabs in Israel.
So again, you can mouth off your misrepresentations of history, but they are irrelevent to iran's consistant behaviour towards Israel's destruction
rulllar 3 years ago
I would start pulling out the massive amounts of evidence about the Arabs fleeing in order to allow the arab armies to destroy israel, and many fleeing due to arab radio stations spreading utter lies about rapes etc (the station reporters admited it decades later, that they thought it would help the cause but it backfired and everyone fled).
But thats a different topic and you seem far too ignorant and make far too many assumptions about history & understanding of context in relation to Israel
rulllar 3 years ago
and all you do is ignore analysis, his own team putting his words in context, other things he's said, the fact that zionism realized = Israel and where he said that statement you paste is at "world without zionism" conference where the only international Jews were tiny sect that who want Israel destroyed and Muslim rule.
EVERYTHING points one way, you just refer back to the quote, without context, without REASONABLE explanation and ignoring everything else related. cont
rulllar 3 years ago
Lets leave it since u seem incapable of going beyond that quote (without it's context) and looking at the several year long set of evidence.
rulllar 3 years ago
Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the innacurate statement, but the quote had a life of its own. The IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading and the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.
While I was in error about the Iranian source (it's been a few months and it's early morning here in the US), it was wrong and they have since corrected it just as I did my own.
Now, where's your verified proof?
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
It wasn't clarified. The pres was asked SEVERAL TIMES by several US medias asking him CLEARLY and DIRECTLY. He would not give a straight answer, only say that it was exaggerated. C'mon! The FM's job is to put iran in the best light he can. Plus different people have different views. The pres has had LOTS of chances to clarify and he's taken many oppertunities to say Israel needs to be moved (e.g. no longer exist in it's form). He's used all his chances to further prove his views, not the FM's.
rulllar 3 years ago
Anderson Cooper asked if he wants to "wipe Israel off the map". As usual, the question is thrown back in the reporter's face with his standard "Don't the Palestinians have rights?, etc." retort (which is never directly answered either). Yet he never confirms the "map" comment to be true. This did not prevent Anderson Cooper from referring to earlier portions of his interview after a commercial break and lying, "as he said earlier, he wants Israel wiped off the map". You would trust Cooper?
TheHeavyMetalGod 3 years ago
This is my final post here, because you seem not to get the overall point.
If you get the translation of his statement, nevermind about who posted misleading comments, it doesn't say he wants to wipe Israel off the map.
You know that and i know that. Yet you then go on to say regime means the people etc etc.
Give over.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
We both know he never uses the word Israel and yet discusses Israel constantly.
If you cannot find how he refers to it then you cannot claim in the language of ahmadinejad "Israel = Israel". There is no demonstration that he accepts Israel, accepts the Israeli people, plenty (including usage of hezbollah as proxy army) that he has attacked Israel, wants Israel destroyed. Everything points one way, you, being picky on words, point the opposite way contray to evidence. Then im the deciever? hah!
rulllar 3 years ago
You can say all day you think this and you think that. But until he says he wants all jews killed or israel to be blown to pieces then there is no truth in your words.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
well we know for sure he wants the Jews to be removed from Israel and by definition that would cause Israel to cease existing. To me thats proof of it. If you disagree thats fine, but it's my family members at stake if you are wrong and I don't bet my family and friends on debates over specifics when I strongly feel in teh big picture his views and intentions are clear whichever words he uses to portray that.
rulllar 3 years ago
NO, he does not want the jews to be removed from Israel. He wants Israel moved from Palestinian land.
Where do your family live rulllar?
If they live in Israel, i can understand your concern for their safety, but you must not misrepresent someones speech to falsify your worry for their safety.
You are fooling yourself in doing that rulllar.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
This is the be all and end all here.
You have tried to put words into his mouth, you have made half truths about things which he has the right to do, yet you state it as bad.
I haven't done anything like that, i am stating the truth about what he has said, and continue to do so.
Who is the truth teller here? The one who lies and spins, or the one who doesnt? I'll let the reader decide, hopefully they will see.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
I HAVE? HIS OWN MEDIA SAID IT.
How is IRIB - "ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN BROADCASTING" saying THOSE EXACT WORDS ("Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.")
Yet to you, Iran's own GOVERNMENT media (ahmadinejads media) is 'rulllar, you are making assumptions about what he says'.
Yeah right. Let the users decide.
You, some random guy, or iran's own government broadcasting.
Tough choice who to trust about what Iran's government meant.
rulllar 3 years ago
When he says the ''zionist regime'' He means the ''zionist regime''. That does not mean Israel, it means the regime of Israel.
It really is that simple. He wants the regime of the country to go, not the country itself.
Your ten minute video further prooves that not only do you believe in a lie, but when it is known to be a lie, you try to further put words in his mouth by stating ''By zionist regime, he means the country''
It truly is sad.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
when has uttered the word Israel? Show me where he differentiates by giving an example of his views of Israelis? Zionist regime was a term used from the first day of Israel's creation to mean Israel amongst the middle eastern states.
FURTHERMORE, what is his call for putting all the people in a state made out of germany then? Is he refering to the knesset members and army chiefs who make up this "regime"? Of course not. He means the millions of Israelis.
rulllar 3 years ago
If you have even a childs grasp of the meaning of the word ''regime'' you would understand what it meant.
This is a simple fact that you try to cover up, by putting further words into his mouth by stating ''regime means israel'' or ''regime means the Israeli people''
Regime does not mean the population, regime does not mean jews or judaism, and regime does not mean the Israeli state.
Stop lying to people.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
Why was Israel recreated? The zionist movement.
What is zionism? The belief in Israels.
Anyone who believes in Israel is a zionist. Anyone who lives in Israel and believes it to be the state of the Jewish people is a zionist.
That covers 99.9% of the Jews in the state of Israel.
Any Israeli who votes, who believes in Israel is by definition a zionist, if you want to get picky with words. So stop lying there is a clear difference between Israel and zionism.
rulllar 3 years ago
And again, How am I putting the words? It's Iran's own state media, it's in my links (you clearly didn't bother to read the associated notes).
You guys always accuse me of saying things. I use Iran's own GOVERNMENT RUN media here.
So stop being so petty as to try to vent at me when clearly the iranian gov was quite clear what he meant and it's just people in the west who blind themselves.
rulllar 3 years ago
You seem to try and twist everything that he said to make it still seem as if the lie is true.
THE ZIONIST REGIME. Shall i say it again, ok, THE ZIONIST REGIME. Regime is the governement, it is the zionist hierarchy and party running the country.
It is not all of the people, the jews, or anything else.
This is a simple fact, and you continue to lie to people in your comments.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
HOW AM I LYING?
HIS IRANIAN GOVERNMENT MEDIA THEMSELVES SAID HE SAID ISRAEL SHOULD BE WIPED AWAY!!!
you are so petty you refuse to even acknowledge 3x I've written IRANIAN MEDIA THEMSELVES SAID IT! NOT JUST MEDIA BUT GOVERNMENT-RUN MEDIA!
damn get with the program. You cannot simply ignore what the iranian gov report about his words. stop being petty with me. stop being petty with words. The Iranian gov media clearly said it word for word:"Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map."
rulllar 3 years ago
You say it and say it and say it again, yet give me no links to it.
Yet even with that, the translation, the real translation, states otherwise. So it does not matter what the Iranian meda have said.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
irib reported it.
where do you think the western translations came from? They were word for word cut outs of IRIB's report from that day. There have been a number of journalists who have defended their reporting by pointing out it was iranian media which reported it using those words.
Ah so now the iranian media (GOVERNMENT MEDIA!!!) is not capable of relaying their presidents words. I see. Yet they made no correction, neither did his office request one even knowing the uproar it caused.
rulllar 3 years ago
IRIB updates it's systems every so often. The quote was over 2 years ago and it's no longer on their server since I put the link in my vid and that link is no longer valid. However many journalists as well as leading websites and research centers used it as reference. Google may have it in cache also.
rulllar 3 years ago
Interesting.
I am posting no more. Because if i proove you wrong, you then say regime means something it doesn't, or that he implied it in a different way, which is obvious bullshit.
Have fun lying to more people and deluding them.
As the jewish zionist would say, ''your a good goyim'', i suggest you look it up.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
as all jewish zionists would say? What single Jewish zionist said this? Now you are proving you are a person of made up nonsense and assumptions. You didn't even use it correctly.
I'm lying? it's the iranian government media. He never complained even after all the uproar. He never once clarified he doesn't want Israel removed from the map. His foreign minister vainly tried to justify it, but Ahmadinejad, asked DIRECTLY over and over, never denied this claim. So for you to deny it is laughable.
rulllar 3 years ago