O.K.. O.K...I made a mistake....found out you guys are right...My apologizes...but he really does sound like Victor (alittle)...but yes I'M WRONG...it is indeed Marc Anthony. Really didn't like his rendention of this song though.
@mira2605 Victor Manuelle is an EXCELLENT singer and improvisor....and if you think that this is Marc Anthony singing, then you have little knowledge about Salsa music
Hector tuvo su carrera, y fue grandeosa, pero no se debe negar lo que Marc ha hecho, en un momento donde la salsa está decayendo, donde todo es Reggueton, rap y demás, es de los pocos que tiene la salsa en los primeros listados de popularidad, que lucha por esta música, es un excelente artista, y Hector murió, qué hacemos? dejamos morir la salsa con él? hay que apoyar a los que están y este es el mejor...
Hextor tuvo su carrera, y fue grandeosa, pero no se debe negar lo que Marc ha hecho, en un momento donde la salsa está decayendo, donde todo es Reggueton, rap y demás, es de los pocos que tiene la salsa en los primeros listados de popularidad, que lucha por esta música, es un excelente artista, y Hector murió, qué hacemos? dejamos morir la salsa con él? hay que apoyar a los que están y este es el mejor...
que barbaroooooooooooooo, mierda coño que tema mas bueno interpretado con el mejor de hoy dia en la salsa MARC ANTHONY. gracias por subir cosas tan buenas como estas!!! viva la salca carajo y al que no le gusta que se vaya pal carajo
Por favor hay que estar loko para decir que Marc canta con el mismo sabor que cantaba Chamaco. Marc es uno de los mejores interpretesde hoy dia si no el mejor, esa es la verdad. Pero no es sonero, nunca lo ha sido. Nunca lo he visto improvisando y soneando en una tarima como gilbertito por ejemploo victor manuel que no tienen la voz de Marcjamas y nunca , pero se lo hechan hoyy y siempreen un bolsillo. Me perdonan pero Marc tiene sabor para cantar pero no licencia para sonear como Chamaco.nunca
ke mucha pena da ver este monton de infelizzes ke hablan por hablar..mere ..este es un numerazo..y en la voz de mark anthony tiene el savor ke tenia chamaco ramirez (dios lo tenga descansando)..el chamaco le mete y le mete duro..son pokos los ke kedan con la facilidad de interpretar musica de otros y ke le kede bien...haci ke ustedes cabezas eh puerkos..eskrementence en sus projenitoras.y dejen la salsa buena vivir..te felicito mark por ke lapusustes en la china y virastes pa' tras
¿Por qué los requisitos de ley? Es lo que es. Obviamente deben gusta lo que hace o él, Usted está aquí escuchando esta canción que está cantando. Haga un favor a vosotros mismos y relajarse.
No puedo creer que ustedes están aquí tratando de hablar de él en que si usted lo mira, él está haciendo algo que ninguno de los dos lo han hecho y que es representar a nuestra comunidad latina y mantener viva la salsa. Si no fuera por él, no tendríamos la salsa alrededor de hoy gracias a personas como usted. Ustedes son una vergüenza para la communitity Latina. Ser real. Él es uno de los artistas de hoy y de mayor significa que nuestra vida, la cultura y el patrimonio tal como está hoy.
Esto es para todos ustedes aquí hablando mierda sobre Marc Anthony. Es hoy y mañana. El hecho de que su elección de la salsa es romántica, no significa que no puede caer como el resto de ellos.
Esto es para todos ustedes aquí hablando mierda sobre Marc Anthony. Es hoy y mañana. El hecho de que su elección de la salsa es romántica, no significa que no puede caer como el resto de ellos.
So many haters on here... face it, he's got an awesome and powerful voice and sings salsa like a king!! He can also sing a serious salsa and follow it up with a ballad... the guy seems like a jerk but he can sing his azz off!!
@titonycrican .........no one says he cant sing like a king or that he cant follow it with a balad.....but when it comes to soneando and rumbiando like a sonero de verdad....he cant do it...he doesnt have that hardcore salsa voice...he has that romantic salsa voice.....Marc Anthony has always said it himself.....google it
el mas desgraciado es este , por q aprovecho la fama de lavoe SI! por q claro como la vida del bravo esta resaltada por sucesos buenos y malos este cabron dijo voy hacer una pelicula , y aca me lucro bien , una vez le preguntar crees q hasta el momento haz aportado ala salsa ? dijo bueno solo se que cuando canto me entrego por completo , ja te entregs pero al dinero , lo que a muchoscosto mucho esfuerzo cabrones como este se lucran todo el tiempo deformando la salsa en la mierda comercial
@ salsaenthusiast Of course, there are many singers who are extremely talented and make salsa dura. Question of mood is what you will hear at a time. But to say that Marc is just product of market is simply a blatant lie.
@ salsaenthusiast - Please stop talking lies. Marc still works with almost all musician with which he started. Matter of several questions in Google is to realize that he was still working with Mark and Bobby, though they are not with him on tour. Still can not understand why you behave to impose on all people yours truth. Son and salsa are a different genres.
Naturalmente, será diferente de Grandes soneros, porque tiene una sensibilidad muy diferente, una experiencia totalmente diferente de trabajo en otro momento. Usted puede hablar todo lo que quieras, pero Marc Anthony es un artista genial, muy talentoso, con pasión inigualable para la música. Sí, soy un fan de Marc, pero eso es porque tengo mucha razón - que es uno de los cantantes más talentosos de nuestro tiempo.
Claro, él hace la música a un público más amplio. Esto no es un delito. Esto no hace que su música es menos significativo. Por eso, tenemos artistas tan diferentes - de diferentes estados de ánimo para las diferentes etapas de la vida de una persona tiene una música diferente. Obviamente, para vos no importancia que uno es músico talentoso. Lo único que para vos tiene importancia es que el hay dinero y obviamente esto es errónea.
You are so funny! Repeat again and again the same things. Parece que se siente mejor, pensando que Marc no es realmente salsero:) Me alegro, que esto haceis sentirse feliz. Pero, por supuesto, la verdad es que siempre se muestra. Mucho jóvenes aprendieron sobre Héctor, gracias a Marc. Sí, está claro que Marc no es sonero, pero esto no es un delito.
LA SALSA ES DEL PUEBLO CON AROMA A SUDOR DEL PUEBLO k SE PARTE EL ALMA TODOS LOS DIAS , Y NO PERFUME DE SALON !! ES CULTURAY SE RESPETA!!! ok , y en todo caso , los homenajes se hacen envida,la india dijo una vez, este donde estaba cuando hector estaba enfermo , el infeliz estaria buscando a quien chuparle sangre , y como hector ya nocantaba... , se que habra gente que rechase mis comentarios , pero lo haran por ignorantes , hace falta alquien que sepa mas que cantar para representar la salsa...
el mas desgraciado es este , por q aprovecho la fama de lavoe SI! por q claro como la vida del bravo esta resaltada por sucesos buenos y malos este cabron dijo voy hacer una pelicula , y aca me lucro bien , una vez le preguntar crees q hasta el momento haz aportado ala salsa ? dijo bueno solo se que cuando canto me entrego por completo , ja te entregs pero al dinero , lo que a muchoscosto mucho esfuerzo cabrones como este se lucran todo el tiempo deformando la salsa en la mierda comercial
esto es un ofensa un cabron q prefuiere los millones antes de respetar la cultura , no puede llmarse salsero , un salsero tiene q ser sonero oigan bien esto chiquillos , conoscan la verdadera salsa y sus exponentes , o sino sigan engañados toda su vida , victor santarosa y este , son unos convenidos , se meten unos se meten a canatr balada , otros se creen actores ,q coño es esto por Dios !!
In my opinion Mark did a great job with this song. Lets not forget Mark has outsold all salseros,it's just more exposer, wich is what our music needs.
Now to compae him tu Chamaco or Hector is unfare, these guy where true soneros of there time, Mark is a great singer not a sonero...But what this does is expose Hector's and Chamaco's music to a new generacion, thank u Mark Anthony.
Marc has outsold all salsero thanks to us, Ralph Mercado did a great job and after becoming a superstar of salsa monga, what has marc done lately, he's singing a song that a sonero improvd, Chamaco is the author of this song and Marc SANG it the way Chamaco did, the same goes for Aguanile and every other song that was re-made, even hasta que te conoci, he's a good singer no doubt,but before 1990 Marc didn't know what salsa was, he's as commercialed as the energizer bunny,
I agree with u to some extend, Salsa monga is what most salseros are siging right now, the fact that Marc has reached out and across to so many people is a great exposer to our music, be it moga , i personally prefer my salsa from Chamaco, Hector,pete el conde,Cheo Feliciano,Ruben Blade,Marvin Santiago,Cano Estremera,Ismael Rivera,Miranda,El Gran Combo,, but when i want to hear salsa nueva q sea gorda i have to go to Columbia B/c not many big name salseros are singing that type of salsa
I just bought tickets to see johnny pacheco w/ the fania allstars,lucca,roena,miranda,valentin,etc.etc.Nov 14 and my problem w/ Marc is that he remainds commercial,if it's not a huge venue then he would not partake, unlike when he first started where he would sing at clubs and we in NY embraced him,his first album was awesome bcuz his band,which he no longer utilize sounded outstanding.Then everythinjg changed and his music is too sugary or no longer interesting, it's the same thing over&over.
if you look at any of the greats they used to get together para"un rumbon" and would interact and that's how they progress,who has marc reached out to, he doesn't need to progress because he's loaded with money, no need to learn about the genre,our culture. Look at Justo,Miranda,Adalberto, etc,etc,they would sing chorus for each other, Marc is cooped up in hollywood not a salsero or a sonero, he's a superstar singing crappy music.
borinbrooklyn,I respect your opinion "a great job with this song".For me he just sanged it exactly the way a great Sonero improvd it, I have the original version 1966&1970's and Chamaco sang both version differently.Now if u look at Frankie Vasquez or Herman Olivera u'll see 2 sonero who made the song theres by adding their own soneos,not copying word for word, he does the same w/ Hector Lavoe, vocally Marc is gifted, just reach out & learn from the biggies, he's in hollywood & don't need too.
Ur right about Marc he's forgetting where he came from, i use to see him at Le paulett back when he first started on weds, that was the days for the up and comming bands, but u know they all do it Gilberto fired his whole band a few years ago,they all get to big for there bridges.
Frankie Vasquez is great as well Herman Olivera, Frankie i know he's from my neighborrhood in Salinas when we were growing up, take care salsaenthusiast se at Columbus72
funny you should say Columbus 72,my friend is celebrating a birthday nov.14.. I remember saying marc sing freestyle near fordham road in the late eighties, & when he dropped dat great first album,he was at the club working it hard, no longer. Gilberto& victor manuelle, same thing.Frankie Vasques I saw last month & he's tight, a true salsero who played for the late manny oquendo, spanish harlem los sonero del barrio, that's my definition of a salsero, plays clave and sonando:others Ray Viera etc.
Spanish Harlem Orq now thats some salsa gorda and they won a grammy thats the one Ruben Blades sings a couple of tunes. Now u got to check out these columbian bands Orq. Gale with Diego gale they throw down, Sonora Caruseles is good, Niche is a clasic and there offspring son de cali,Orq Guayacan, in Maimi u hear a lot of Edwin Bonilla with his singer El Nino Jesus they throw down as well
Marc Anthony can sing, but HE HAS NO BUSINESS messing with Hector's or anyone elses music for that matter.Who does he think he is??? No puedo con el!!!
Si exacto. You couldn't have said it better. If you have heard Willie Colon's more recent work "El Malo Vol2" there is a song on there that I really dig called "Cuando Me Muera" that he uses as a way to express his discontent towards the people that have used and hurt Hector's image. In the song there is a verse I like que dice " En el ano 2008 te digo que no creo en nadie, hay muchos que estan y no son, y tantos que son y no estan, compadre." That's why Willie is still the man!!
Once again I totally agree with all of your great points. If you listen to his music you'll know that Hector's life was more than just drugs. Meanwhile you have people who knows nada, tratando de justificar porque son fanatico de Marc. Musicalmente, marc no a hecho ni un quarto de lo qque hiso Hector, y cuando tu compara los tema, Hector cantaba de la VIDA, y la vida no es perfecto meno la de el. Para hacer la pelicula solo en la vida de addicion,es deveramente una trajedia
And another thing, although Marc is a talented singer, I wouldn't have minded three things about the movie.....1 they shouldve showed the other side of Hector in fact the movie should've been Less about his wife and More about him! 2 they shouldve made the movie in spanish to capture the true sabor de este chamaco y los de mas, and 3 Marc shouldve just lip synched the songs, if youre playing the man either sound like him for real or lipsynch his songs.
El mundo que no conoce a Hector o la nueva generacion van a tener ese imagin de Hector, La mejor parte de la pelicula fue cuando Ismael Miranda, que hiso el papel del papa de hector canto, el resto fue basura. Yo recomiendo que oigan la musica original de Lavoe, canciones como la Fama,mi gente,vamos a reir un poco,el peridico del ayer,alejate, para ochun,abuelita,plato de segunda mesa,etc.etc. los temas son real, y entonces oiga la porqueria temas de Marc Anthony, Como carajo se puede comparar?
Solamente les digo asi a ustedes........ANYBODY IS BETTER THAN MARC ANTHONY!! NO VIERON COMO LE DANARON LA HISTORIA DE HECTOR LAVOE CON ESA MALDITO PELICULA? AUNQUE ME GUSTO QUE HOLLY WOOD POR FIN DECIDIO HACER UNA BIOGRAFIA DE MI QUERIDO FLACO, LO QUE HICIERON FUE ARRASTRAR A HECTOR POR EL FANGO Y ENSUSCIARLE EL NOMBRE Y LEGACIA. EL NO ERA SOLAMENTE UN ADDICTO COMO ENSENARON ELLOS. EL TAMBIEN ERA UN HOMBRE MUY CHISTOZO Y BUEN IMPROVISADOR Y METIA MANO CON CUALQUIER ORQ SI NECESITABAN AYUDA.
I totally agree with you Pedalpunk57, there's marc anthony fans who claim differently: they could've did something nice instead they decided to go that route, that's awesome that the movie FLOPPED, it was a piece of crap along with the CD
waaa.!!! quizas alla sido wena la intencion ... pero de sonero no tiene nada. Es buena la cancion pero cuando la canta CHAMACO RAMIREZ o el buen CANO ESTREMERA ... pero aka no pasa nada.
marck buen cantante..voz espectacular... pero el homenaje le salio ofensa.....NI PUNTO DE COMPARACION CHAMACO RAMIREZ ....homenaje solo otros grandes...CHEO FELICIANO, MARVINSANTIAGO, MAELO, CHIVIRICO DAVILA, PETE ELCONDE...
si en este momento el es juventud - eso no es homenaje eso es solo performance en Panama 1994-1995 es decir, cantar salsa de dos años - por supuesto que no se puede comparar en este momento con ninguno de estos.
Um actually......he is a great performer but Marc Anthony has said it himself that he doesnt consider himself a TRUE salsero because he lacks what it takes to be one.....he is a romantic salsa singer which is VERY different from a Sonero or real salsero.....i love marc anthony but the truth is the truth....well dont take it from me....HE has said it himself......even filming the movie el cantante he said it was hard to sing like Hector Lavoe because its hard for him to sing that type of salsa...
That is NOT TRUTH! He said that he is NOT SONERO, but he never said that he is not true salsero! He said that for him is difficult to make phrases like Hector but never said that this kind of salsa is hard for him. He said that he is not true representative of Latin music, because he sing salsa and pop and have real danger for people confuse Latin music and pop, which is very insulted for him.
Mira2605, I've been telling u since a long time, there's nothing special about his version of this song, as Thisone states, he's a romantic salsa singer NOT a soon to be legend as u claimed in the past,u don't get it !! u also claimed that Chamaco is better than Hector Lavoe, and Maelo, Are you crazy ? Maelo was the BEST !!!! where in the world did you get that ? If you know salsa you would NOT put Maelo in the sentence as Chamaco !!
totally agree with you, Marc anthony is gifted vocally but far from being a legend, As I told Mira2605, his 6 salsa albums made him loads of cash and all sound the same. In the 60-70's the musicians were the main attraction, now the romantic salsa the focus is on the singer. less and less music, descarga etc.etc
THAT VERSION IS WHEN HE SINGS SALSA BY TWO YEARS!!!!! TWO YEARS!!!!!! Look, everyone is entitled to own opinion. For me it is absolutely invalid to compare a complete sonero with a boy who sings this genre than two years. You're a fan only of salsa at 60 and 70 years - well. I agreed with you on many things. BUT Chamako for me is the best sonero, although I am aware that Maelo was el sonero de los soneros.
If "you know salsa" means respecting the tastes of other fans of salsa, then I would not wish to know salsa. You do not like Marc's salsa - I do not mind. I do not think ever that his albums are the same, but you have a right to your opinion. As before and still now you could not give me the answer to the question: which of his generation has such an incredible vocal technique and such a rich voice, passion and joy for the music.
Stop to compare with the times wich is not his. If he had been born in another time would be singing another salsa. I do not mind when someone says "I do not like Marc" - each has own favorite things. However, when you say "It is not great salsero" already believe it is not true - except for the people who can not appreciate the talent of an singer.
It may not be great for you may not be great for fans of Fania-time, but for many people he is great. And unlike many artists of his generation - worth why. Salsa is a joy - the greatest performances of dura salsa are filled with much joy and pleasure from the performer. Stop listening to Marc and be true salsa fan - enjoy by the music which you love . I believe that Celia, Tito and Ruben did not like Marc, for nothing - obviously my taste is like their.
So, I stay with Marc and Chamaco and many many many others salsa performers. If you will be satisfactorily, you can send me a detailed hierarchy of salsa performers. I'll learn and know definitively, that I have no right to hold opinions and to decide whether I want to get recognized as a fan of salsa or just listen to it (because I only listen this music, there's no way to deactivate it) On the other side of me is simple - do not care who is married to Marc how likes me sing.
mira2605, this is a quote from you "Nobody and I say NO ONE is at the level of Chamaco Ramirez absolutely none!", Neither Hector Lavoe or Ismael Rivera".. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ? Opinions is one thing and reality is another, for you to state that I question myself only bcuz I'm replying to a person with no knowledge whatsoever. Maelo recordings are lgendary and you have the ordacity to state that ! LOL - that's the most ridiculous thing I read in a long time.
Maelo is el sonero de los soneros and he expressed the word "legend" because he have incredible career and repertoire. But I talk about canto that for me Chamaco have most precise canto from soneros. I think that there is no need to offend, if truth is on your side. Obviously you are not sure.
Maelo,Maelo,Maelo was branded as the "sonero major" by Cuba best when they heard him sing. He is in a league by himself because when you listen to his canto/soneo it's distinguishing,I'm not trying to convince you bcuz with Maelo, your opinion really is yours, for you to state"Nobody and I say NO ONE is at the level of Chamaco absolutely none ! Neither Hector or Maelo, that was stated by YOU - so far from the truth. Chamaco could never be at Maelo's level in his canot/soneo or any other category
And if (this is my little dream) you stops insulting me maybe you will understand that in no way want to underestimate any of them because GREAT appreciate them all. Including those who are not in the mouth of salseros whenever talk about who is best.
Two living legends status of my genre are Miranda &Andy Montanez, and u don't expect me to believe marc sings better than these two icons.. Just listen to the recording "casi te envidio" by Andy Montanez, not the video the recording, that perfect, the timbre on his voice is pure climax, one that marc anthony is not blessed with, bobby cruz is another living icon w/ a blessed voice, u truly don't believe marc sings better than him,listen to sonido bestial carajo! listen to music and cut the crap
Sonero de bailadores (Pete el conde w/ Cheo) vs. Vivir lo nuestro( Marc w/ India), u see the difference between true soneros and singing/screaming,Pete and Cheo # is greater, in all sense. RMM wanted to produce a superstar in Marc anthony, he went mainstream with his english #'s adding 1 salsa songs in his albums and became famous, he should reap the rewards but to call him a true salsero or a sonero, that's not even a topic. If you notice he sang this song exactly the way Chamaco improvd it,
From Combination perfecta I prefer Cheo and Ray de la Paz and Oscar and Celia and Oscar and El Canario but Sonero de bailadores is greate. Actually the most joy bring to me Tu Por Aqui Y Yo Por Alla
firstly-conbination perfecta it was Cheo and pete el conde NOT Ray de la Paz, Cheo and Pete's # was superior (musically and canto, as you're calling it right now) to any other # on that CD, and that's including oscar&celia. Oscar is a great improvisador and showman but vocally, will always fall short amongst other, not to say he isn't good and is strong in his talent of improvisador....Let's get that out the way
they asked johnny Pacheco which 2 salsa stars living or dead would he love to play with again, it was Celia and Pete el conde. Not Marc Anthony nor Chamaco, Pete was gifted with tremendous vocal range and had 3 elements that make an artist of this genre a sonero. Please you tube pete el conde's song with Johnny Pacheco- sonero. Chamaco don't come close to Pete, sorry, my opinion...
Pacheco was one of the boss from Fania,he hand picked the best of the best"Fania Allstars"! My point & you can ask Pacheco yourself, Chamaco was w/Olivencia under contract w/ Fania & the world knows Chamaco was a great improvisador,but Pacheco delt with the best, Pete, Cheo, Hector, Quintana,Miranda,Santiago,Santito, & if u stop drawing up conclusion & listen to Chamaco other music u would realize who he put ahead of himself- listen to "como canto yo" and fiesta de los soneros"
Salsaenthusiast I think that we must stop discussed because that is weak for sense. OK I apology because put Chamaco in place of finest singing sonero (I think that is truth but in advantage to legend I accept). BUT Fact is that this performance by Marc (Trucutu) is in 1994-1995 that is why I call him boy in his very beginning in the salsa. Ray de la Paz and Cheo perform Recordando a Louie which is included in Combinacion perfecta.
For many people Marc is living legend but time solve this question. Unfortunately, time can not help at Chamaco because he is almost forgotten by most of salseros. I hope someone decides to make some really big thing to restore memory of Chamaco.
Listen to Pete "mi negra mariana"or "Sombra que paso",he possessed a tremendous range,also blessed with an amazing timbre, Andy's timbre&extension of notas are pure joyous, bobby cruz another gifted voice along with Miranda. Chamaco was great improvisador but weak vocally, Marc has a decent voice but a weak timbre and your're calling him a living legend at that.I suggest u to buy more salsa cd's not just Marc Anthony's,you're his #1 fan
the art of Chamaco being spontaneous in his music is a talent Marc doesn't have. Marc doesn't improv his own music led alone Chamaco or Maelo, listen to Chamaco's tune"asi son"-outstanding #. Maelo was the truest &if u hear his music u would know this and would NOT say Chamaco's level is higher,hell no! Maelo possessed all the qualities of a sonero,chamaco didn't have that. In any case, please check this #"celia & pete el conde's - encantigo". let me know what you think..
Maybe what I say about the performance of Celia and Pete is not much to like. Look when Celia sing, just everything sing with her, it is a joy, it is passion, it is incredible sensuality and vocal qualities. When Pete sings, I hear and understand that there is an incredible vocal technique, however, if this man was put a little passion and joy - just nobody could him catch up.
Ha!!!! I wish you had the actual recording of that song, the album is titled "commitment" & vocally, Pete is superb &flawless. Pete passion was always there, what are you talking about ?Marc is just a singer and no where near the legend status, Pete el conde is a legend... LOL
I am absolutely agree that it is flawless performance. Actually before I see this performance with Celia was not quite sure why Pete did not deliver me such pleasure as it should, given the his impeccable singing. But when put beside Celia is so clear - the man just sing really flawless, but it just sings ... Yes it is - he is a legend and so it should be.
What are you talking about comparing with the times ? Marc has been in the scene 15 years, his repetoire is ok, but not like Gilberto S Rosa, or Cheo Feliciano, Andy montanez, Oscar d leon, jose alberto, should I continue, Marc started in latin/house music and crossed over like India and Brenda K starr, no doubt he's a talented vocalist, but not a sonero,nope. If you buy the album Combinacion Perfecta, he's paired with India but the best song in that album is called sonero de bailadores.
I talking about, that, you placed him in time, which is not his. Seventy years are not his time. You hate the music market, but Fania is the music market at this time. Times change, respectively, the market is changing, the performers are others. The matter is that you compare the repertoire, but I compare canto. Because in different epoch have different people, respectively, different topics, different music and different repertoires... But vocal ability is something objectively.
I did not mention Fania or the music industry so I don't know where you're going with this, but you refer Marc as a boy, that man is already 41 yrs old and has been "singing" salsa for 16 yrs,you compare "canto" or"vocal ability" but the world knows he can sing,he has non salsa songs but that doesn't make him a "true salsero". He's a good singer with good vocals, no doubt about it but NOT a legend to be, nowhere near as great as MAELO
Pete was with perfect canto - that is truth, as well as that he has most distanced singing. Yes that is truth - Marc is not sonero. But he is with unsurpassable canto. That is PERFECT canto - and if you can forgive him that sing pop and that he is most popular in this genre (before JLo) and his marriage maybe you be able to appreciate him.
There you go again,"unsurpassable canto", nobody brought up JLO, just you,you put Marc Anthony in a pedestal by saying perfect canto,whatever that means.I'm not the only one who disagree with you.Just the comments u write makes no sense and yet u continue to promote the same junk. Marc is a great vocalist but not a freaking living legend, where in the world do you get that? Marc dont have enough to be considered a legend,just a singer, in my genre,the work is telling of a legend
I must tell you that I myself believe that to become a legend, still more is needed to work. But truly many people call him a living legend:) I apologize if this makes you feel dirty. I personally, although I disagree, I feel a lot better than this definition of him :). That he is unsurpassed vocal also are not my words:) with them although I fully agree. You just must listen Hasta ayer by performance in Vina del Mar 2009 and be sincere about this.
I've heard that song live plenty of times, and once again, vocally he does not have a "perfect canto",it's an awesome song/ HIT but does not make him a living legend.Vocally he doesn't possessed a timbre like an Andy Montanez, anybody w/ ears can tell you that. He has great extension and is blessed with a decent voice but a sonero..LOL. Pete would extend half a bar and literally sing the other half, Andy possessed that gift along with Maelo, Marc is successful and I like his music, but come on !
Of course, for what you must listening Marc as you already have a comment :(, even before you hear him! Before and now are different Marc is so different in singing. But of course I will hear everything you've pointed me (even if I already was listening) because I prefer to form an opinion after I heard something, but not before.
ok mira2605,I looked at the clip Vina de Mar 2009, and of course Marc has great vocals & showcases a great personality in his performance,especially when he sing his songs. The only thing is the song is not a true salsa tune, Trucutu is a salsa de la dura song written by Chamaco & it wasn't meant to be sung, it was recorded in 1966 then in the 70's & both recordings word for word are different. That's y Marc get criticized for singing this #,Chamaco had the gift of recording a song the same day.
But I always repeated that Marc is NOT SONERO. That is absolute clear. And I never say that this one performance is best performance of this material after Chamaco, BUT if that is puted in real subject - Marc sing by almost 2 y (at this moment) and he is not sonero - then you see that he not deserved so many insulting comments. Yes Chamako is sonero by soul, this is an incredible gift.
I wish you seeing Vina del mar performance because that is very different by his early perfomances at this material - much more deep and authentic - impossible clear in canto (as always) but with different feeling at that song. Yes that is bolero basicly BUT nothing common with pop, nothing. I think most salseros, which we call the Great, became so great precisely because it matures with time singing. Great indeed have time to become great. With some rare exceptions.
I did see the performance @ Vina del mar, his voice has always been consistent strong,we know he has a voice Mira, I saw the performance,but you're talking like he's still young, he's a seasoned singer & his canto to that song which is his is great, but that's not salsa. There's a clip of him singing Hotel california, & I will survive, he's a singer. When he SINGS a song from Chamaco,or Maelo or Pete el conde, Hector Lavoe, he will not show greatness only because it takes much more than a voice
If you ask fans at The Eagles he not sing this song well - he only destroy song. That is not his song - he love this songs and sing it but that is not his songs. For this song does not speak he is too young. For the songs of Hector - I think that should any rational being to be aware that they were made exactly that way because there is a reason for that.
Of course, movie and performances that are not in the taste of fans of dura salsa because they are not made for them. They know very well Hector and is not necessary that it be shown to them. It is enough just to remember him.
The issue is not that this is salsa dura and he can not make it - the issue is that these are not his songs.
When doing a song for you, you know very well why each word is chosen to be like this, why each note sounds exactly this way and therefore you can fulfill to fully in the performance and it sounds really convincing. However how much you love a song that is not made for you, it is very difficult to achieve the same persuasion, simply because these are not your feelings and thoughts, but at someone else and they always be external for you.
The aim is to shows Hector -for as many as people is possible in the world. Everything is done for this purpose - the movie, the performances. I think that there was a song by Jennifer, just because they wish to cover the largest possible audience. I think this is the biggest homenaje for one artist from another, and most careful think over.
I've seen Frankie Vasques sing this song,& he's the same age & he made the perfect adjustment and understand that salsa is about freespirit &freestyling, another that did a better job than Marc, & God forgive u say Marc is betta than Frankie Vasques, Frankie has more rythm in his pinky than Marc has in his whole entire body, Herman Oliviera also did great rendition of this song, and he's been around a while but a true sonero &way better than the commercial Marc Anthony.
Frankie sang salsa only two years ago, when sounded like - I'm impressed. Herman is a good improviser and very bad singer. Well, I learned salsa is improvisation and nothing else.
u say Herman Oliviera is a "very bad singer", showing how much u don't know about salsa,he sang w/ the best& is the lead singer of Eddie Palmieri-HA !!! has done more for this genre than Marc,Marc can't even carry Olivera's Maracas.LOL. Just bcuz Celia gave Marc a nod doesn't make Marc a salsero, Celia recorded&called India the princess of salsa, that still doesn't mean that India is a salsera,talk repetoire before u claim Marc is a living legend,herman rendition of this song gets respect
The great Willie Colon called "el cantante" the worst movie ever. Marc can tour a make millions because of his fan base,he hit the pop star status when he sang "i need to know", "my baby you" etc.etc.he blew up in the US &became popular- But when you say legendary & salsa de la dura, u say, Tito Puente,Celia,Maelo,Johnny Pacheco,Sonora etc. who are playing in clubs for the people for dancing,none of the dance club in NYC play Marc's music,NOPE !!! so how can you say he's a legend ? who are u ?
Couple time I said that I am not agree w/ that definition about Marc but you're too busy lectured me and you missed this my cue. Ok I already agreed that Marc is not salsero. By the way Willie has said that this is the worst movie, but participated in the concert Salsa de la pelicula (he actually got sick in the second or third presentation) along with Marc.
You can do much to explain how Marc is not a salsero and how his salsa is not real salsa, etc. I can even agree with you but that it does not matter because you can not stop people to think that he is the best salsero of today. This will probably irritate you, but that are not my words too.
marc is the best only to people like you. when cheo ,miranda,adalberto,herman,etc.etc are still around, and you thinks he's the best,he sing this song using word for word the 1975 version of chamaco & you still think he's the best salero,a living legend,that's a joke. vasquez &viera are much better than marc. Marc should stick to pop music bcuz he's not a true salsero. Pacheco's concert nov 14, cheo,miranda,roena,valentin etc etc, no marc anthony because he's legendary,LOL- he's an idiot
I can not understand why you are angry - you separate the stuff. Marc is a great singer, but not sonero. Well then I also can separate them. Hermann is a great sonero, but a bad singer. As to, se esfuma and hasta que te conoci - these songs he make them completely his own. aguanile and other Hector`s song - the goal was not to make them his own. trucutu is only one performance in Panama 94 year.
again u are wrong, hasta que te conoci y se esfuma, I love Marc's version but did not make it his own, he sang it exactly the same as the orignal singers,Juan Gabriel being one of them,Marc made it a monster hit bcuz he's a great singer, romantic salsa was hott at that time, different from being a sonero or a true salsero.a legend(SONERO)has talent 2 freestyle using great vocal skills.Andy Montanez says it all the time,the best ever was MAELO.Andy &Pete goes high &are gifted w/ a special timbre.
Hector Lavoe is El cantante de los cantantes! HE IS and always be. Can you tell me that all the world knows that? But in Bulgaria have many people who already know that. And not only in Bulgaria. You all the time repeat one and only - Marc not is sonero. OK I SAID THAT in first my comment. He not sing salsa dura - ok that is fact. So what? I NEVER SAID THAT HE IS LIVING LEGEND (he himself categorically reject this allegation ), but a lot of people say that it is.
Yes, absolutely true - for Puerto Rico and New York Hector need not be presented. But I have news for you - there is a whole world outside of Puerto Rico and New York. You maybe think that Hector is not enough great to be worth much more widely known. Apparently, however, Marc and Jennifer think that he is. Even you should realize what courage is required to do what is necessary, knowing that they will receive only criticism.
If you accidentally decided to be honest and look at my favorites, you'll see that much most of my favorites are salsa dura. However, I am able to high appreciate the talent of a performers in its full meaning. For me it does not matter whether it is commercial or not question is whether it is truly good or not. Because there are those who are not commercial and are terrible performers. As well as have terrible performers in commercial music.
regarding your theory in "great performer" and/or " terrible performer", it really has nothing to do with Chamaco trucutu, many bloggers feel marc did not do the song justice,you go back to how Marc is such a great performer, so what he's a great act but where's the music mira2605? in order to be a salsero you MUST have the music to back it up,your own repetoire, reach out to the real legends of this genre.the pachecos,palmieri,Zevrigon,Ithier,Roena,Valentins,Rosarios,Marc is busy in Hollywood
Chamaco's music, the little that's out is prolific as well,he was much more musical than Marc,if u listened to "casimira" from that album u get that. nothing that marc has recorded comes close,if you think so,please tell me which song from Marc's repetoire that u consider hard core salsa.. I'm waiting, tell us Mira2605, hard like eddie palmieri hard, I don't want to see performances, give me a title....LOL -
I think that Marcolino is Mark Dimond piano player who work with Frankie Dante. I never said that Marc has a salsa dura. I think it already check it as a theme. Already I am agree that Marc is not salsero, I promise you that I will hate the movie. See how obedient girl I am and think that is not necessary to mention again the same things again and start insulting me. "Plate bandera" is Tommy`s album, Chamaco`s album is "Alive and kicking"
Not only markolino dimond worked w/Dante, but first he was Willie Colon's original band member, did u know that?ha ! with that being said, pleez pick up willie's album "guisando"&hear hector's canto,hear him say"markolino esta jugando",the music is at it's purest,hear the tune "te estan buscando"truely raw.where am i going?it was the best young talents getting together to make great music,unfortunately drugs were involved.What's irritating is people who have no idea claiming who's who.
You can knows the whole story of salsa and you can continuously speak me patronizing, but you can not deprive me of my ears. I still hear well and I can enjoy by every one of this performers. Because no matter who is the best. Your work by default - I listen and then speak. You operated by default, but I like the first hear performance and then I talking about this.
You are crazy ! Chamaco is precise ? what are you inventing now ?? LOL Chamaco is better than Hector ?vocally ? HA !!! You definitely need a Q-tip to clean out your ears.Repetoire,where is it? Kevin Ceballo & Frankie Negron & Marc Anthony are all in the same level,new salsero who needs to no history. 4 a young guy who is awesome,look at Ray Viera, or any of the singers from "la excelencia". they keep the salsa dura 4 this generation.Marc is in hollywood trying 2 get a movie deal- que mamaoooo
You say chamaco was better ? that's your opinion but please do yourself a favor &pick up an album called "el juicio"by willie colon, on vocals hector lavoe there's a # called "timbalero". Marc could never ever come close to record a # like that, u never answer my question either, name me song that Marc has done that you would consider salsa de la dura (hardcore) ?mira2605, all he knows how to perform his love songs& mess up other peoples work. Please DO NOT let him do anything from MAELO,,,,
By you claiming that" no one is at Chamaco's level"not even Hector Lavoe or Maelo, u will have enthusiasts who will respond,not that u have to agree but if say something be sure to back it up,u'r basing ur opinions on what? Hector's sang chorus for Chamaco,along with adalberto&yayo el indio,Chamaco throws it out on a verse,that was chamaco's ability to be spontaneous&be on &off the clave, Marc Anthony is no where near that... Marc is a good singer, not the best !!
Marc is the best singer - that is fact which even you when decide to be honest accept. He is not salsero but if some from soneros must sing any of songs by Marc - they cant. Chamaco is hight level of sing and he is sonero. Maelo is greatest sonero - no doubt and no argument , but in singing Chamaco is most precise. Hector is El cantante de los cantantes and he is very precise in singing and have unique voice but Chamaco is better.
Ha ! Marc is NOT the best singer !!! You say that because you are a fan, I can say he has a good voice but BEST ? What are you smoking ? He mess up this song by over singing it, Pete el conde vocally has an outstanding range and vocally is amazing, Andy is better than marc ,ismael miranda is better and so is bobby cruz.. What are you talking about..
His fan base is like that because of his talent - he touring most often in Colombia and other country with tradition of salsa and have full fill. Obviously the biggest injustice to you is that he makes millions of music, which other salsa artists can not. Apparently, life is unfair. All artists should be able to reach to many people with their art. This is what makes a Great performers - adoration of the people who listen them.
marc, in this version of trucutu show that he's a cheap imtation of the original,chamaco owned these lyrics and marc sabatoge it completely, he should stick to singing,I will survive, que version barata, This man is not worthy to sing songs of Chamaco,Lavoe& please don't touch Maelo. he should stick to hasta ayer,y te amare, salsa de la monga, elevator music,
I'm happy that marc made millions, that has nothing to do with him sabatoging this song, Hector's music too. u truly believe that hector is known bcuz of marc anthony's movie el cantante, u must be smoking something. Hector was big before marc &in NY they paid honor to him with a beautiful off broadway play that ran for years"quien mato a hector lavoe" in NY & PR, I don't expect u to no that since u're from Bulgaria,Marc at the time was singing latin/house, no salsa for marc the sensation
Significantly easier to say - this is the worst movie. But Willie were consultant for the film. I really do not expect those people to be so small person. And Cheo??????? You can hate them how much you want, but Marc, Jennifer and the other of the team was devote years of work for Hector. They are very smart people and very well knew that this film can never be a big commercial success.
But that sales of albums of Hector have increased several times - it is a fact which does not depend on you or me. No matter whether you or someone else will be able to respect the work of Marc, the important thing is that Hector and his music are much better known. Also, no matter if you call Marc salsero or not - frankly does not matter to me. Marc is a brilliant performer and it also does not depend on you or someone else who will say that he is not a salsero.
mira2605,u know the movie had nothing to do with Hector's accomplishment as an outstanding Sonero/cantante,but more for JLO,she was the main character playing PUCHI &decided to take the lead role producing all negatives in hector's life of drugs lies&cheats,who are you fooling.she thought that this would hit big like selena.Marc was the best for the role because he is talented.If they would've had focused on hectors positive&negatives like the play, it would've been a success.
Willie DID NOT like the movie at all, who's going to like a movie where they showed him and Hector taking drugs, are you crazy ? But now I think we changed the subject, Don't get me wrong Mira, I love Marc Anthony's music, I will be a hypocrit to say I don't, I just would not say he's a living legend &you need to understand NOT everybody will agree, Chamaco was AWESOME Sonero& a notorious thief, Maelo was homeless& was in &out of drugs too.
I will only say that I have a feeling that we were watching different movies. For me, Hector was amazing man, although it was dependent on drugs. The impression which stayed with the film is a very decisive and very obtrusive woman, and tragic, great man. The strongest scenes in the film are when Hector is seen singing and adoration of the audience. And how happy he was on stage, in contrast to how he felt outside.
For the rest - Maelo really is the greatest sonero - I never questioned that fact, nor for a moment. And really does not matter whether you call Marc salsero or not - he remains incredibly precise performer. Peace? And without that I currently listen most often Descarga Boricua and from time to time Son Boricua :-) - now that most excites me.
I saw the real hector in 1986 in the bronx on 156 & 3rd ave,, I will never forget his amazing soul, he was a humble human and drugs was a small part of his life, The movie focused on JLO,if they would've made the movie w/marc being the lead it would've been something. No one I know liked it, no one but you Mira.
Yes u r unique, as I said before, Marc is talented, he was perfect for the movie just the movie sucked,Willie was the consultant but as per Willie, they did not use any of his advise,Hector life wasn't drugs &alcohol only if u believe that then u'r in la la land. the off broadway play was AWESOME!! The willie in the movie didn't do much talking,& willie was the bandleader of a very talented group of young guys, mir, did u ever hear about a guy named Markolino ?
u stated that hector music is better known &his sales are up,&being portray as a junkie is nothing,just as long as he's known,okay!? 1 of Hectors song"la fama"tells u what he thinks about being"better known",Hector's repetoire is filled with life experiences, u can't ever compare Marc or Chamaco's music to an Hector or Maelo, Chamaco"Plante Bandera", Hector was part of his chorus,collaborating musically like brothers, these days, we have Marc in hollywood collaborating with JLO only.
Nadie como ella, Hubo alguen, Celos ... it is not salsa? You gotta be kidding me please - that he sings pop performances do not make him unable to sing salsa. For now he not make salsa dura, but this is a whole genre of music - you can not restrict it to only one part of it.
If you can not see the big difference between the performance from 2000 and that from 2009 there is no way I could explain. And this is his song. What remains for the song that not is his own and performed it 1994-95 - talk about Trukutu. Of course he can not sound very good!
The Vina de mar 2009 hasta ayer performance I was referring to that song not being a salsa tune, not his other material that u mentioned below.u tend to mix apple and oranges & your perception to what salsa is i s what's confusing all of us. U give excuses of why marc couldn't make the song sound good bcuz of his age, what are u talking about? I just saw Ray Viera sing the song & he's younger than marc & he did justice to it. Bottom line, salsa is all about spontaneity & Marc is not that,
I understand now, Marc is not salsero. He sing only pop songs and his talent is limited only for easy singing songs. He is a shame for salsa and I am ashamed that I am his fan. Apparently a lot of people (Celia, Tito, Johnny Pacheco, Ruben ..) are also confused as me.
regarding the trucutu or aguanile or se esfuma,or hasta que te conoci or songs that he sings from hector lavoe's repetoire, marc DOES NOT have the ability to be creative &make it his own,he's a great singer as I told u a million times but he's not a legend,he's from the same kettle as India,Brenda K star,Kevin Ceballo,Jerry Rivera,Tito Rojas,Victor Manuelle, people who hit it big with the romantic salsa,which I like too, I have his library & it's NOT considered as salsa dura
Sorry about that you were so angry, but even if he not makes salsa dura, Marc brings popularity and for others in this genre. That neither you nor any of fans of dura salsa will recognize, but that's a fact. All who disagree with this film and the way in which they are made of Hector's songs, rather than speak, had done something to introduce Hector in the world. After this film and soundtrack increased several times the sales of albums of Hector and other Fania stars.
Now Chamaco vs. Maelo, LOL - take the amount of songs Maelo made his, look at the different songs he sang, whether it's boogaloo (bamba cure), bomba and plena, bolero, son montuno, guaracha etc.etc. He sang everything, How could even compare when Chamaco idol is Maelo ? Maelo influenced Orquestras and bands and you're making this ridiculous accusation ? Por favor, please you tube Celia and Maelo "cucala", Chamaco is a great improvisador but Maelo had it all.... Por Favor !!!!!
This dispute is redundant, because we see things from an entirely different perspective. You use Marc`s singing at the beginning of his career against him. Generally used everything that could be used against him. And also against Chamaco. I do not lessen the importance of either a legend in this music because I myself enjoy them daily but do not like putting things unfair and for that disputing.
Nobody and I say NO ONE is at the level of Chamaco Ramirez absolutely none! Neither Hector nor Ishmael Rivera or anyone! But in this record Marc perform a salsa maximum from two years! However, achieved very good level of performance of this material, which is Salsa Dura!
Marc has other musical memories, another musical sense, live in another time! He is simply true to the time. Yes, he does not improvise, but I think that is a matter of responsibility to know what good and what not to choose to do only that which their good. In the implementation of salsa now he is brilliant in improv - no. I believe that this is not enough reason to get this contempt, which showcase.
Look, inability to be a good performer is not transmitted sexually! He is just married for J Lo he does not become J Lo! If you do not like his music - listen music wich you likes! But I want to say that it is very foolish to reject so quality performers for no musical reasons! It maybe a commercial albums in English, but in salsa albums, everything included is SALSA! With his style, his voice, his passion and feeling! And it is PURE MUSIC!
He's a great singer. Can't take that from him :)
burbano860 4 months ago
O.K.. O.K...I made a mistake....found out you guys are right...My apologizes...but he really does sound like Victor (alittle)...but yes I'M WRONG...it is indeed Marc Anthony. Really didn't like his rendention of this song though.
nieves1974 4 months ago
@mira2605 Victor Manuelle is an EXCELLENT singer and improvisor....and if you think that this is Marc Anthony singing, then you have little knowledge about Salsa music
nieves1974 4 months ago
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nieves1974 4 months ago
trucutu se refiere si mal no me equivoco al sonido que hace el bongo.
wasitafiis 6 months ago
Alguien sabe el significado de trucutu?
robsoncrociati 6 months ago
THAT IS NOT MARC ANTHONY!!! THATS IS VICTOR MANUELLE!!!!
slimnieves 8 months ago
@slimnieves Victor Manuelle (quien adoro) nunca puede cantar asi!
mira2605 4 months ago in playlist 17
@slimnieves that is not victor! you must not know how marc and victor sound!
JnAmSkEe 4 months ago
@slimnieves jajajajjaja idiot¡¡¡¡¡
Marck613 2 months ago
Marc Anthony Muy DURO!!! Y Eso Que No Ha Terminao Lo Q Le Falta Mi Panita HYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Mamaaaa
ELGALLAR 9 months ago
Hector tuvo su carrera, y fue grandeosa, pero no se debe negar lo que Marc ha hecho, en un momento donde la salsa está decayendo, donde todo es Reggueton, rap y demás, es de los pocos que tiene la salsa en los primeros listados de popularidad, que lucha por esta música, es un excelente artista, y Hector murió, qué hacemos? dejamos morir la salsa con él? hay que apoyar a los que están y este es el mejor...
GTS90 10 months ago
Hextor tuvo su carrera, y fue grandeosa, pero no se debe negar lo que Marc ha hecho, en un momento donde la salsa está decayendo, donde todo es Reggueton, rap y demás, es de los pocos que tiene la salsa en los primeros listados de popularidad, que lucha por esta música, es un excelente artista, y Hector murió, qué hacemos? dejamos morir la salsa con él? hay que apoyar a los que están y este es el mejor...
GTS90 10 months ago
HABLAN ESTUPIDECES MIRA TODO LO QUE HA CONSEGUIDO MARC Y COMO ACABO HECTOR Y SACA TU LINEA PS,,
MARC ES UN TRIUNFADOR POR DONDE LA VEAS
NO SE DEBE VIVIR DE LOS MALOS EJEMPLOS !!!
eduardoeve85 10 months ago
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El mayor merito de Chamaco era su estilo callejero al sonear. No solo era rima y canto. Canta bien, tiene buena orquesta, pero no transmite nada
melkisje 11 months ago
El mayor merito de Chamaco era su estilo callejero al sonear. No solo era rima y canto. Canta bien, tien buena orquesta, pero no transmite nada
melkisje 11 months ago
el rey de la salsa que chucha opinas oe imbecil el rey de la salsa no jodas mi perro ladra mejor que ese idiota
dexcoco 1 year ago
no pasa nada con este huevon estubera cahmaco vivo lo buscaria y le sacaria la concha de su madre el canito lo interpreta mejor
dexcoco 1 year ago
que barbaroooooooooooooo, mierda coño que tema mas bueno interpretado con el mejor de hoy dia en la salsa MARC ANTHONY. gracias por subir cosas tan buenas como estas!!! viva la salca carajo y al que no le gusta que se vaya pal carajo
avolevan1 1 year ago
Por favor hay que estar loko para decir que Marc canta con el mismo sabor que cantaba Chamaco. Marc es uno de los mejores interpretesde hoy dia si no el mejor, esa es la verdad. Pero no es sonero, nunca lo ha sido. Nunca lo he visto improvisando y soneando en una tarima como gilbertito por ejemploo victor manuel que no tienen la voz de Marcjamas y nunca , pero se lo hechan hoyy y siempreen un bolsillo. Me perdonan pero Marc tiene sabor para cantar pero no licencia para sonear como Chamaco.nunca
pepitosabroso 1 year ago
He's always Representando!
hnc6268 1 year ago
ke mucha pena da ver este monton de infelizzes ke hablan por hablar..mere ..este es un numerazo..y en la voz de mark anthony tiene el savor ke tenia chamaco ramirez (dios lo tenga descansando)..el chamaco le mete y le mete duro..son pokos los ke kedan con la facilidad de interpretar musica de otros y ke le kede bien...haci ke ustedes cabezas eh puerkos..eskrementence en sus projenitoras.y dejen la salsa buena vivir..te felicito mark por ke lapusustes en la china y virastes pa' tras
4TOMENGUANTE 1 year ago
Que sabroso en la voz de Marc tremendo homenaje esto si que es para la historia
mi gente aplauso bien duro a Marc Anthony por que la salsa esta vivaaaaaaa...
TommyOlivenciajr 1 year ago
marc anthony always holds it down for the legends .... forever living CHAMACO RAMIERZ a great voice and singer
kwa919 1 year ago
marc anthony always holds it down for the legends .... forever living CHAMACO RAMIERZ a great voice and singer
kwa919 1 year ago
¿Por qué los requisitos de ley? Es lo que es. Obviamente deben gusta lo que hace o él, Usted está aquí escuchando esta canción que está cantando. Haga un favor a vosotros mismos y relajarse.
doublebf1928 1 year ago
No puedo creer que ustedes están aquí tratando de hablar de él en que si usted lo mira, él está haciendo algo que ninguno de los dos lo han hecho y que es representar a nuestra comunidad latina y mantener viva la salsa. Si no fuera por él, no tendríamos la salsa alrededor de hoy gracias a personas como usted. Ustedes son una vergüenza para la communitity Latina. Ser real. Él es uno de los artistas de hoy y de mayor significa que nuestra vida, la cultura y el patrimonio tal como está hoy.
doublebf1928 1 year ago
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Esto es para todos ustedes aquí hablando mierda sobre Marc Anthony. Es hoy y mañana. El hecho de que su elección de la salsa es romántica, no significa que no puede caer como el resto de ellos.
doublebf1928 1 year ago
Esto es para todos ustedes aquí hablando mierda sobre Marc Anthony. Es hoy y mañana. El hecho de que su elección de la salsa es romántica, no significa que no puede caer como el resto de ellos.
doublebf1928 1 year ago
no vale este bicho es un loco de sonero no tiene nada quedese cantando su salsita romantica y sus baladas
achero 1 year ago
So many haters on here... face it, he's got an awesome and powerful voice and sings salsa like a king!! He can also sing a serious salsa and follow it up with a ballad... the guy seems like a jerk but he can sing his azz off!!
titonycrican 1 year ago 4
@titonycrican .........no one says he cant sing like a king or that he cant follow it with a balad.....but when it comes to soneando and rumbiando like a sonero de verdad....he cant do it...he doesnt have that hardcore salsa voice...he has that romantic salsa voice.....Marc Anthony has always said it himself.....google it
Thisone 1 year ago
que clase de mierda es este tipo no sirve ni para un carajo ,por favor retirate cabron ...
MrPedvic 1 year ago
@MrPedvic oye la envidia es la mata de la muerte cantante como marc muy pocos esto si es musica cabron
IVANMAURICIO0714 1 year ago
grande Marc Anthony,
edgarblas1 1 year ago
No me gusta para nada.
sammylobo7 1 year ago
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el mas desgraciado es este , por q aprovecho la fama de lavoe SI! por q claro como la vida del bravo esta resaltada por sucesos buenos y malos este cabron dijo voy hacer una pelicula , y aca me lucro bien , una vez le preguntar crees q hasta el momento haz aportado ala salsa ? dijo bueno solo se que cuando canto me entrego por completo , ja te entregs pero al dinero , lo que a muchoscosto mucho esfuerzo cabrones como este se lucran todo el tiempo deformando la salsa en la mierda comercial
MrCheofeliciano 1 year ago
ese march anthony no save ke tokar se kopia ke asko eres botehrs apestass comida pa chancho
MrCheofeliciano 1 year ago
@MrCheofeliciano cabrones mueracen de envidia esto si es canatnte
IVANMAURICIO0714 1 year ago
@ salsaenthusiast Of course, there are many singers who are extremely talented and make salsa dura. Question of mood is what you will hear at a time. But to say that Marc is just product of market is simply a blatant lie.
mira2605 2 years ago
@ salsaenthusiast - Please stop talking lies. Marc still works with almost all musician with which he started. Matter of several questions in Google is to realize that he was still working with Mark and Bobby, though they are not with him on tour. Still can not understand why you behave to impose on all people yours truth. Son and salsa are a different genres.
mira2605 2 years ago
Naturalmente, será diferente de Grandes soneros, porque tiene una sensibilidad muy diferente, una experiencia totalmente diferente de trabajo en otro momento. Usted puede hablar todo lo que quieras, pero Marc Anthony es un artista genial, muy talentoso, con pasión inigualable para la música. Sí, soy un fan de Marc, pero eso es porque tengo mucha razón - que es uno de los cantantes más talentosos de nuestro tiempo.
mira2605 2 years ago
Claro, él hace la música a un público más amplio. Esto no es un delito. Esto no hace que su música es menos significativo. Por eso, tenemos artistas tan diferentes - de diferentes estados de ánimo para las diferentes etapas de la vida de una persona tiene una música diferente. Obviamente, para vos no importancia que uno es músico talentoso. Lo único que para vos tiene importancia es que el hay dinero y obviamente esto es errónea.
mira2605 2 years ago
You are so funny! Repeat again and again the same things. Parece que se siente mejor, pensando que Marc no es realmente salsero:) Me alegro, que esto haceis sentirse feliz. Pero, por supuesto, la verdad es que siempre se muestra. Mucho jóvenes aprendieron sobre Héctor, gracias a Marc. Sí, está claro que Marc no es sonero, pero esto no es un delito.
mira2605 2 years ago
LA SALSA ES DEL PUEBLO CON AROMA A SUDOR DEL PUEBLO k SE PARTE EL ALMA TODOS LOS DIAS , Y NO PERFUME DE SALON !! ES CULTURAY SE RESPETA!!! ok , y en todo caso , los homenajes se hacen envida,la india dijo una vez, este donde estaba cuando hector estaba enfermo , el infeliz estaria buscando a quien chuparle sangre , y como hector ya nocantaba... , se que habra gente que rechase mis comentarios , pero lo haran por ignorantes , hace falta alquien que sepa mas que cantar para representar la salsa...
salvadortes 2 years ago
el mas desgraciado es este , por q aprovecho la fama de lavoe SI! por q claro como la vida del bravo esta resaltada por sucesos buenos y malos este cabron dijo voy hacer una pelicula , y aca me lucro bien , una vez le preguntar crees q hasta el momento haz aportado ala salsa ? dijo bueno solo se que cuando canto me entrego por completo , ja te entregs pero al dinero , lo que a muchoscosto mucho esfuerzo cabrones como este se lucran todo el tiempo deformando la salsa en la mierda comercial
salvadortes 2 years ago
esto es un ofensa un cabron q prefuiere los millones antes de respetar la cultura , no puede llmarse salsero , un salsero tiene q ser sonero oigan bien esto chiquillos , conoscan la verdadera salsa y sus exponentes , o sino sigan engañados toda su vida , victor santarosa y este , son unos convenidos , se meten unos se meten a canatr balada , otros se creen actores ,q coño es esto por Dios !!
salvadortes 2 years ago
In my opinion Mark did a great job with this song. Lets not forget Mark has outsold all salseros,it's just more exposer, wich is what our music needs.
Now to compae him tu Chamaco or Hector is unfare, these guy where true soneros of there time, Mark is a great singer not a sonero...But what this does is expose Hector's and Chamaco's music to a new generacion, thank u Mark Anthony.
borinbrooklyn 2 years ago 3
Marc has outsold all salsero thanks to us, Ralph Mercado did a great job and after becoming a superstar of salsa monga, what has marc done lately, he's singing a song that a sonero improvd, Chamaco is the author of this song and Marc SANG it the way Chamaco did, the same goes for Aguanile and every other song that was re-made, even hasta que te conoci, he's a good singer no doubt,but before 1990 Marc didn't know what salsa was, he's as commercialed as the energizer bunny,
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I agree with u to some extend, Salsa monga is what most salseros are siging right now, the fact that Marc has reached out and across to so many people is a great exposer to our music, be it moga , i personally prefer my salsa from Chamaco, Hector,pete el conde,Cheo Feliciano,Ruben Blade,Marvin Santiago,Cano Estremera,Ismael Rivera,Miranda,El Gran Combo,, but when i want to hear salsa nueva q sea gorda i have to go to Columbia B/c not many big name salseros are singing that type of salsa
borinbrooklyn 2 years ago
I just bought tickets to see johnny pacheco w/ the fania allstars,lucca,roena,miranda,valentin,etc.etc.Nov 14 and my problem w/ Marc is that he remainds commercial,if it's not a huge venue then he would not partake, unlike when he first started where he would sing at clubs and we in NY embraced him,his first album was awesome bcuz his band,which he no longer utilize sounded outstanding.Then everythinjg changed and his music is too sugary or no longer interesting, it's the same thing over&over.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
if you look at any of the greats they used to get together para"un rumbon" and would interact and that's how they progress,who has marc reached out to, he doesn't need to progress because he's loaded with money, no need to learn about the genre,our culture. Look at Justo,Miranda,Adalberto, etc,etc,they would sing chorus for each other, Marc is cooped up in hollywood not a salsero or a sonero, he's a superstar singing crappy music.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
borinbrooklyn,I respect your opinion "a great job with this song".For me he just sanged it exactly the way a great Sonero improvd it, I have the original version 1966&1970's and Chamaco sang both version differently.Now if u look at Frankie Vasquez or Herman Olivera u'll see 2 sonero who made the song theres by adding their own soneos,not copying word for word, he does the same w/ Hector Lavoe, vocally Marc is gifted, just reach out & learn from the biggies, he's in hollywood & don't need too.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Ur right about Marc he's forgetting where he came from, i use to see him at Le paulett back when he first started on weds, that was the days for the up and comming bands, but u know they all do it Gilberto fired his whole band a few years ago,they all get to big for there bridges.
Frankie Vasquez is great as well Herman Olivera, Frankie i know he's from my neighborrhood in Salinas when we were growing up, take care salsaenthusiast se at Columbus72
borinbrooklyn 2 years ago
funny you should say Columbus 72,my friend is celebrating a birthday nov.14.. I remember saying marc sing freestyle near fordham road in the late eighties, & when he dropped dat great first album,he was at the club working it hard, no longer. Gilberto& victor manuelle, same thing.Frankie Vasques I saw last month & he's tight, a true salsero who played for the late manny oquendo, spanish harlem los sonero del barrio, that's my definition of a salsero, plays clave and sonando:others Ray Viera etc.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Spanish Harlem Orq now thats some salsa gorda and they won a grammy thats the one Ruben Blades sings a couple of tunes. Now u got to check out these columbian bands Orq. Gale with Diego gale they throw down, Sonora Caruseles is good, Niche is a clasic and there offspring son de cali,Orq Guayacan, in Maimi u hear a lot of Edwin Bonilla with his singer El Nino Jesus they throw down as well
borinbrooklyn 2 years ago
Thank you for the recommendation, I will check them all out !!!
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Marc Anthony can sing, but HE HAS NO BUSINESS messing with Hector's or anyone elses music for that matter.Who does he think he is??? No puedo con el!!!
RicanBrownSugar 2 years ago
Si exacto. You couldn't have said it better. If you have heard Willie Colon's more recent work "El Malo Vol2" there is a song on there that I really dig called "Cuando Me Muera" that he uses as a way to express his discontent towards the people that have used and hurt Hector's image. In the song there is a verse I like que dice " En el ano 2008 te digo que no creo en nadie, hay muchos que estan y no son, y tantos que son y no estan, compadre." That's why Willie is still the man!!
pedalpunk57 2 years ago
MArc Anthony ERES EL REY DE LA SALSA DUELALE A QUIEN LE DUELA!!!!!!!! OPAAAA!!!!!!!!
Yuli2470 2 years ago
I dread to think what the other Lavoe movie would've done to his image, besides que paso con esa pelicula, lo terminaron o que?
pedalpunk57 2 years ago
Once again I totally agree with all of your great points. If you listen to his music you'll know that Hector's life was more than just drugs. Meanwhile you have people who knows nada, tratando de justificar porque son fanatico de Marc. Musicalmente, marc no a hecho ni un quarto de lo qque hiso Hector, y cuando tu compara los tema, Hector cantaba de la VIDA, y la vida no es perfecto meno la de el. Para hacer la pelicula solo en la vida de addicion,es deveramente una trajedia
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
And another thing, although Marc is a talented singer, I wouldn't have minded three things about the movie.....1 they shouldve showed the other side of Hector in fact the movie should've been Less about his wife and More about him! 2 they shouldve made the movie in spanish to capture the true sabor de este chamaco y los de mas, and 3 Marc shouldve just lip synched the songs, if youre playing the man either sound like him for real or lipsynch his songs.
pedalpunk57 2 years ago
El mundo que no conoce a Hector o la nueva generacion van a tener ese imagin de Hector, La mejor parte de la pelicula fue cuando Ismael Miranda, que hiso el papel del papa de hector canto, el resto fue basura. Yo recomiendo que oigan la musica original de Lavoe, canciones como la Fama,mi gente,vamos a reir un poco,el peridico del ayer,alejate, para ochun,abuelita,plato de segunda mesa,etc.etc. los temas son real, y entonces oiga la porqueria temas de Marc Anthony, Como carajo se puede comparar?
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Solamente les digo asi a ustedes........ANYBODY IS BETTER THAN MARC ANTHONY!! NO VIERON COMO LE DANARON LA HISTORIA DE HECTOR LAVOE CON ESA MALDITO PELICULA? AUNQUE ME GUSTO QUE HOLLY WOOD POR FIN DECIDIO HACER UNA BIOGRAFIA DE MI QUERIDO FLACO, LO QUE HICIERON FUE ARRASTRAR A HECTOR POR EL FANGO Y ENSUSCIARLE EL NOMBRE Y LEGACIA. EL NO ERA SOLAMENTE UN ADDICTO COMO ENSENARON ELLOS. EL TAMBIEN ERA UN HOMBRE MUY CHISTOZO Y BUEN IMPROVISADOR Y METIA MANO CON CUALQUIER ORQ SI NECESITABAN AYUDA.
pedalpunk57 2 years ago
I totally agree with you Pedalpunk57, there's marc anthony fans who claim differently: they could've did something nice instead they decided to go that route, that's awesome that the movie FLOPPED, it was a piece of crap along with the CD
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
waaa.!!! quizas alla sido wena la intencion ... pero de sonero no tiene nada. Es buena la cancion pero cuando la canta CHAMACO RAMIREZ o el buen CANO ESTREMERA ... pero aka no pasa nada.
ThePaxito 2 years ago
marck buen cantante..voz espectacular... pero el homenaje le salio ofensa.....NI PUNTO DE COMPARACION CHAMACO RAMIREZ ....homenaje solo otros grandes...CHEO FELICIANO, MARVINSANTIAGO, MAELO, CHIVIRICO DAVILA, PETE ELCONDE...
guarachaybembe 2 years ago
si en este momento el es juventud - eso no es homenaje eso es solo performance en Panama 1994-1995 es decir, cantar salsa de dos años - por supuesto que no se puede comparar en este momento con ninguno de estos.
mira2605 2 years ago
Por mas q Marc Anthony kiera nunka va poder cantar como lo hacian los grandes. Asi q siga cantando sus cancioncitas nomas
jefersoncor0 2 years ago
Most of you idiots have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Marc Anthong is uncomparable. No one can sing nor perform like him.
LiLLuda596 2 years ago
Um actually......he is a great performer but Marc Anthony has said it himself that he doesnt consider himself a TRUE salsero because he lacks what it takes to be one.....he is a romantic salsa singer which is VERY different from a Sonero or real salsero.....i love marc anthony but the truth is the truth....well dont take it from me....HE has said it himself......even filming the movie el cantante he said it was hard to sing like Hector Lavoe because its hard for him to sing that type of salsa...
Thisone 2 years ago
That is NOT TRUTH! He said that he is NOT SONERO, but he never said that he is not true salsero! He said that for him is difficult to make phrases like Hector but never said that this kind of salsa is hard for him. He said that he is not true representative of Latin music, because he sing salsa and pop and have real danger for people confuse Latin music and pop, which is very insulted for him.
mira2605 2 years ago
Mira2605, I've been telling u since a long time, there's nothing special about his version of this song, as Thisone states, he's a romantic salsa singer NOT a soon to be legend as u claimed in the past,u don't get it !! u also claimed that Chamaco is better than Hector Lavoe, and Maelo, Are you crazy ? Maelo was the BEST !!!! where in the world did you get that ? If you know salsa you would NOT put Maelo in the sentence as Chamaco !!
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
totally agree with you, Marc anthony is gifted vocally but far from being a legend, As I told Mira2605, his 6 salsa albums made him loads of cash and all sound the same. In the 60-70's the musicians were the main attraction, now the romantic salsa the focus is on the singer. less and less music, descarga etc.etc
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
THAT VERSION IS WHEN HE SINGS SALSA BY TWO YEARS!!!!! TWO YEARS!!!!!! Look, everyone is entitled to own opinion. For me it is absolutely invalid to compare a complete sonero with a boy who sings this genre than two years. You're a fan only of salsa at 60 and 70 years - well. I agreed with you on many things. BUT Chamako for me is the best sonero, although I am aware that Maelo was el sonero de los soneros.
mira2605 2 years ago
If "you know salsa" means respecting the tastes of other fans of salsa, then I would not wish to know salsa. You do not like Marc's salsa - I do not mind. I do not think ever that his albums are the same, but you have a right to your opinion. As before and still now you could not give me the answer to the question: which of his generation has such an incredible vocal technique and such a rich voice, passion and joy for the music.
mira2605 2 years ago
Stop to compare with the times wich is not his. If he had been born in another time would be singing another salsa. I do not mind when someone says "I do not like Marc" - each has own favorite things. However, when you say "It is not great salsero" already believe it is not true - except for the people who can not appreciate the talent of an singer.
mira2605 2 years ago
It may not be great for you may not be great for fans of Fania-time, but for many people he is great. And unlike many artists of his generation - worth why. Salsa is a joy - the greatest performances of dura salsa are filled with much joy and pleasure from the performer. Stop listening to Marc and be true salsa fan - enjoy by the music which you love . I believe that Celia, Tito and Ruben did not like Marc, for nothing - obviously my taste is like their.
mira2605 2 years ago
So, I stay with Marc and Chamaco and many many many others salsa performers. If you will be satisfactorily, you can send me a detailed hierarchy of salsa performers. I'll learn and know definitively, that I have no right to hold opinions and to decide whether I want to get recognized as a fan of salsa or just listen to it (because I only listen this music, there's no way to deactivate it) On the other side of me is simple - do not care who is married to Marc how likes me sing.
mira2605 2 years ago
mira2605, this is a quote from you "Nobody and I say NO ONE is at the level of Chamaco Ramirez absolutely none!", Neither Hector Lavoe or Ismael Rivera".. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ? Opinions is one thing and reality is another, for you to state that I question myself only bcuz I'm replying to a person with no knowledge whatsoever. Maelo recordings are lgendary and you have the ordacity to state that ! LOL - that's the most ridiculous thing I read in a long time.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Maelo is el sonero de los soneros and he expressed the word "legend" because he have incredible career and repertoire. But I talk about canto that for me Chamaco have most precise canto from soneros. I think that there is no need to offend, if truth is on your side. Obviously you are not sure.
mira2605 2 years ago
Maelo,Maelo,Maelo was branded as the "sonero major" by Cuba best when they heard him sing. He is in a league by himself because when you listen to his canto/soneo it's distinguishing,I'm not trying to convince you bcuz with Maelo, your opinion really is yours, for you to state"Nobody and I say NO ONE is at the level of Chamaco absolutely none ! Neither Hector or Maelo, that was stated by YOU - so far from the truth. Chamaco could never be at Maelo's level in his canot/soneo or any other category
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
And if (this is my little dream) you stops insulting me maybe you will understand that in no way want to underestimate any of them because GREAT appreciate them all. Including those who are not in the mouth of salseros whenever talk about who is best.
mira2605 2 years ago
Two living legends status of my genre are Miranda &Andy Montanez, and u don't expect me to believe marc sings better than these two icons.. Just listen to the recording "casi te envidio" by Andy Montanez, not the video the recording, that perfect, the timbre on his voice is pure climax, one that marc anthony is not blessed with, bobby cruz is another living icon w/ a blessed voice, u truly don't believe marc sings better than him,listen to sonido bestial carajo! listen to music and cut the crap
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Sonido bastial is something which I adore. I am absolute agree that they are living legend and CHEO
mira2605 2 years ago
Sonero de bailadores (Pete el conde w/ Cheo) vs. Vivir lo nuestro( Marc w/ India), u see the difference between true soneros and singing/screaming,Pete and Cheo # is greater, in all sense. RMM wanted to produce a superstar in Marc anthony, he went mainstream with his english #'s adding 1 salsa songs in his albums and became famous, he should reap the rewards but to call him a true salsero or a sonero, that's not even a topic. If you notice he sang this song exactly the way Chamaco improvd it,
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
From Combination perfecta I prefer Cheo and Ray de la Paz and Oscar and Celia and Oscar and El Canario but Sonero de bailadores is greate. Actually the most joy bring to me Tu Por Aqui Y Yo Por Alla
mira2605 2 years ago
firstly-conbination perfecta it was Cheo and pete el conde NOT Ray de la Paz, Cheo and Pete's # was superior (musically and canto, as you're calling it right now) to any other # on that CD, and that's including oscar&celia. Oscar is a great improvisador and showman but vocally, will always fall short amongst other, not to say he isn't good and is strong in his talent of improvisador....Let's get that out the way
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
they asked johnny Pacheco which 2 salsa stars living or dead would he love to play with again, it was Celia and Pete el conde. Not Marc Anthony nor Chamaco, Pete was gifted with tremendous vocal range and had 3 elements that make an artist of this genre a sonero. Please you tube pete el conde's song with Johnny Pacheco- sonero. Chamaco don't come close to Pete, sorry, my opinion...
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Pcheco is not play with Chamaco or Marc for the first time and couldn't play again. Pete is great of course
I never say that Chamaco is greatest in salsa (he had not time) but I talk about level in canto.
mira2605 2 years ago
Pacheco was one of the boss from Fania,he hand picked the best of the best"Fania Allstars"! My point & you can ask Pacheco yourself, Chamaco was w/Olivencia under contract w/ Fania & the world knows Chamaco was a great improvisador,but Pacheco delt with the best, Pete, Cheo, Hector, Quintana,Miranda,Santiago,Santito, & if u stop drawing up conclusion & listen to Chamaco other music u would realize who he put ahead of himself- listen to "como canto yo" and fiesta de los soneros"
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Salsaenthusiast I think that we must stop discussed because that is weak for sense. OK I apology because put Chamaco in place of finest singing sonero (I think that is truth but in advantage to legend I accept). BUT Fact is that this performance by Marc (Trucutu) is in 1994-1995 that is why I call him boy in his very beginning in the salsa. Ray de la Paz and Cheo perform Recordando a Louie which is included in Combinacion perfecta.
mira2605 2 years ago
For many people Marc is living legend but time solve this question. Unfortunately, time can not help at Chamaco because he is almost forgotten by most of salseros. I hope someone decides to make some really big thing to restore memory of Chamaco.
mira2605 2 years ago
Listen to Pete "mi negra mariana"or "Sombra que paso",he possessed a tremendous range,also blessed with an amazing timbre, Andy's timbre&extension of notas are pure joyous, bobby cruz another gifted voice along with Miranda. Chamaco was great improvisador but weak vocally, Marc has a decent voice but a weak timbre and your're calling him a living legend at that.I suggest u to buy more salsa cd's not just Marc Anthony's,you're his #1 fan
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Yes right Chamaco is devoid of vocal possibilities:)
And I wish sometimes read my comments as such as it is, however, obviously we both will remain unsatisfied
mira2605 2 years ago
the art of Chamaco being spontaneous in his music is a talent Marc doesn't have. Marc doesn't improv his own music led alone Chamaco or Maelo, listen to Chamaco's tune"asi son"-outstanding #. Maelo was the truest &if u hear his music u would know this and would NOT say Chamaco's level is higher,hell no! Maelo possessed all the qualities of a sonero,chamaco didn't have that. In any case, please check this #"celia & pete el conde's - encantigo". let me know what you think..
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Maybe what I say about the performance of Celia and Pete is not much to like. Look when Celia sing, just everything sing with her, it is a joy, it is passion, it is incredible sensuality and vocal qualities. When Pete sings, I hear and understand that there is an incredible vocal technique, however, if this man was put a little passion and joy - just nobody could him catch up.
mira2605 2 years ago
Ha!!!! I wish you had the actual recording of that song, the album is titled "commitment" & vocally, Pete is superb &flawless. Pete passion was always there, what are you talking about ?Marc is just a singer and no where near the legend status, Pete el conde is a legend... LOL
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I am absolutely agree that it is flawless performance. Actually before I see this performance with Celia was not quite sure why Pete did not deliver me such pleasure as it should, given the his impeccable singing. But when put beside Celia is so clear - the man just sing really flawless, but it just sings ... Yes it is - he is a legend and so it should be.
mira2605 2 years ago
What are you talking about comparing with the times ? Marc has been in the scene 15 years, his repetoire is ok, but not like Gilberto S Rosa, or Cheo Feliciano, Andy montanez, Oscar d leon, jose alberto, should I continue, Marc started in latin/house music and crossed over like India and Brenda K starr, no doubt he's a talented vocalist, but not a sonero,nope. If you buy the album Combinacion Perfecta, he's paired with India but the best song in that album is called sonero de bailadores.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I talking about, that, you placed him in time, which is not his. Seventy years are not his time. You hate the music market, but Fania is the music market at this time. Times change, respectively, the market is changing, the performers are others. The matter is that you compare the repertoire, but I compare canto. Because in different epoch have different people, respectively, different topics, different music and different repertoires... But vocal ability is something objectively.
mira2605 2 years ago
I did not mention Fania or the music industry so I don't know where you're going with this, but you refer Marc as a boy, that man is already 41 yrs old and has been "singing" salsa for 16 yrs,you compare "canto" or"vocal ability" but the world knows he can sing,he has non salsa songs but that doesn't make him a "true salsero". He's a good singer with good vocals, no doubt about it but NOT a legend to be, nowhere near as great as MAELO
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Pete was with perfect canto - that is truth, as well as that he has most distanced singing. Yes that is truth - Marc is not sonero. But he is with unsurpassable canto. That is PERFECT canto - and if you can forgive him that sing pop and that he is most popular in this genre (before JLo) and his marriage maybe you be able to appreciate him.
mira2605 2 years ago
There you go again,"unsurpassable canto", nobody brought up JLO, just you,you put Marc Anthony in a pedestal by saying perfect canto,whatever that means.I'm not the only one who disagree with you.Just the comments u write makes no sense and yet u continue to promote the same junk. Marc is a great vocalist but not a freaking living legend, where in the world do you get that? Marc dont have enough to be considered a legend,just a singer, in my genre,the work is telling of a legend
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I must tell you that I myself believe that to become a legend, still more is needed to work. But truly many people call him a living legend:) I apologize if this makes you feel dirty. I personally, although I disagree, I feel a lot better than this definition of him :). That he is unsurpassed vocal also are not my words:) with them although I fully agree. You just must listen Hasta ayer by performance in Vina del Mar 2009 and be sincere about this.
mira2605 2 years ago
I've heard that song live plenty of times, and once again, vocally he does not have a "perfect canto",it's an awesome song/ HIT but does not make him a living legend.Vocally he doesn't possessed a timbre like an Andy Montanez, anybody w/ ears can tell you that. He has great extension and is blessed with a decent voice but a sonero..LOL. Pete would extend half a bar and literally sing the other half, Andy possessed that gift along with Maelo, Marc is successful and I like his music, but come on !
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Of course, for what you must listening Marc as you already have a comment :(, even before you hear him! Before and now are different Marc is so different in singing. But of course I will hear everything you've pointed me (even if I already was listening) because I prefer to form an opinion after I heard something, but not before.
mira2605 2 years ago
ok mira2605,I looked at the clip Vina de Mar 2009, and of course Marc has great vocals & showcases a great personality in his performance,especially when he sing his songs. The only thing is the song is not a true salsa tune, Trucutu is a salsa de la dura song written by Chamaco & it wasn't meant to be sung, it was recorded in 1966 then in the 70's & both recordings word for word are different. That's y Marc get criticized for singing this #,Chamaco had the gift of recording a song the same day.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
But I always repeated that Marc is NOT SONERO. That is absolute clear. And I never say that this one performance is best performance of this material after Chamaco, BUT if that is puted in real subject - Marc sing by almost 2 y (at this moment) and he is not sonero - then you see that he not deserved so many insulting comments. Yes Chamako is sonero by soul, this is an incredible gift.
mira2605 2 years ago
I wish you seeing Vina del mar performance because that is very different by his early perfomances at this material - much more deep and authentic - impossible clear in canto (as always) but with different feeling at that song. Yes that is bolero basicly BUT nothing common with pop, nothing. I think most salseros, which we call the Great, became so great precisely because it matures with time singing. Great indeed have time to become great. With some rare exceptions.
mira2605 2 years ago
I did see the performance @ Vina del mar, his voice has always been consistent strong,we know he has a voice Mira, I saw the performance,but you're talking like he's still young, he's a seasoned singer & his canto to that song which is his is great, but that's not salsa. There's a clip of him singing Hotel california, & I will survive, he's a singer. When he SINGS a song from Chamaco,or Maelo or Pete el conde, Hector Lavoe, he will not show greatness only because it takes much more than a voice
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
If you ask fans at The Eagles he not sing this song well - he only destroy song. That is not his song - he love this songs and sing it but that is not his songs. For this song does not speak he is too young. For the songs of Hector - I think that should any rational being to be aware that they were made exactly that way because there is a reason for that.
mira2605 2 years ago
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mira2605 2 years ago
Of course, movie and performances that are not in the taste of fans of dura salsa because they are not made for them. They know very well Hector and is not necessary that it be shown to them. It is enough just to remember him.
The issue is not that this is salsa dura and he can not make it - the issue is that these are not his songs.
mira2605 2 years ago
When doing a song for you, you know very well why each word is chosen to be like this, why each note sounds exactly this way and therefore you can fulfill to fully in the performance and it sounds really convincing. However how much you love a song that is not made for you, it is very difficult to achieve the same persuasion, simply because these are not your feelings and thoughts, but at someone else and they always be external for you.
mira2605 2 years ago
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The aim is to shows Hector -for as many as people is possible in the world. Everything is done for this purpose - the movie, the performances. I think that there was a song by Jennifer, just because they wish to cover the largest possible audience. I think this is the biggest homenaje for one artist from another, and most careful think over.
mira2605 2 years ago
I've seen Frankie Vasques sing this song,& he's the same age & he made the perfect adjustment and understand that salsa is about freespirit &freestyling, another that did a better job than Marc, & God forgive u say Marc is betta than Frankie Vasques, Frankie has more rythm in his pinky than Marc has in his whole entire body, Herman Oliviera also did great rendition of this song, and he's been around a while but a true sonero &way better than the commercial Marc Anthony.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Frankie sang salsa only two years ago, when sounded like - I'm impressed. Herman is a good improviser and very bad singer. Well, I learned salsa is improvisation and nothing else.
mira2605 2 years ago
u say Herman Oliviera is a "very bad singer", showing how much u don't know about salsa,he sang w/ the best& is the lead singer of Eddie Palmieri-HA !!! has done more for this genre than Marc,Marc can't even carry Olivera's Maracas.LOL. Just bcuz Celia gave Marc a nod doesn't make Marc a salsero, Celia recorded&called India the princess of salsa, that still doesn't mean that India is a salsera,talk repetoire before u claim Marc is a living legend,herman rendition of this song gets respect
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
The great Willie Colon called "el cantante" the worst movie ever. Marc can tour a make millions because of his fan base,he hit the pop star status when he sang "i need to know", "my baby you" etc.etc.he blew up in the US &became popular- But when you say legendary & salsa de la dura, u say, Tito Puente,Celia,Maelo,Johnny Pacheco,Sonora etc. who are playing in clubs for the people for dancing,none of the dance club in NYC play Marc's music,NOPE !!! so how can you say he's a legend ? who are u ?
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Couple time I said that I am not agree w/ that definition about Marc but you're too busy lectured me and you missed this my cue. Ok I already agreed that Marc is not salsero. By the way Willie has said that this is the worst movie, but participated in the concert Salsa de la pelicula (he actually got sick in the second or third presentation) along with Marc.
mira2605 2 years ago
You can do much to explain how Marc is not a salsero and how his salsa is not real salsa, etc. I can even agree with you but that it does not matter because you can not stop people to think that he is the best salsero of today. This will probably irritate you, but that are not my words too.
mira2605 2 years ago
marc is the best only to people like you. when cheo ,miranda,adalberto,herman,etc.etc are still around, and you thinks he's the best,he sing this song using word for word the 1975 version of chamaco & you still think he's the best salero,a living legend,that's a joke. vasquez &viera are much better than marc. Marc should stick to pop music bcuz he's not a true salsero. Pacheco's concert nov 14, cheo,miranda,roena,valentin etc etc, no marc anthony because he's legendary,LOL- he's an idiot
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I can not understand why you are angry - you separate the stuff. Marc is a great singer, but not sonero. Well then I also can separate them. Hermann is a great sonero, but a bad singer. As to, se esfuma and hasta que te conoci - these songs he make them completely his own. aguanile and other Hector`s song - the goal was not to make them his own. trucutu is only one performance in Panama 94 year.
mira2605 2 years ago
again u are wrong, hasta que te conoci y se esfuma, I love Marc's version but did not make it his own, he sang it exactly the same as the orignal singers,Juan Gabriel being one of them,Marc made it a monster hit bcuz he's a great singer, romantic salsa was hott at that time, different from being a sonero or a true salsero.a legend(SONERO)has talent 2 freestyle using great vocal skills.Andy Montanez says it all the time,the best ever was MAELO.Andy &Pete goes high &are gifted w/ a special timbre.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Hector Lavoe is El cantante de los cantantes! HE IS and always be. Can you tell me that all the world knows that? But in Bulgaria have many people who already know that. And not only in Bulgaria. You all the time repeat one and only - Marc not is sonero. OK I SAID THAT in first my comment. He not sing salsa dura - ok that is fact. So what? I NEVER SAID THAT HE IS LIVING LEGEND (he himself categorically reject this allegation ), but a lot of people say that it is.
mira2605 2 years ago
Yes, absolutely true - for Puerto Rico and New York Hector need not be presented. But I have news for you - there is a whole world outside of Puerto Rico and New York. You maybe think that Hector is not enough great to be worth much more widely known. Apparently, however, Marc and Jennifer think that he is. Even you should realize what courage is required to do what is necessary, knowing that they will receive only criticism.
mira2605 2 years ago
If you accidentally decided to be honest and look at my favorites, you'll see that much most of my favorites are salsa dura. However, I am able to high appreciate the talent of a performers in its full meaning. For me it does not matter whether it is commercial or not question is whether it is truly good or not. Because there are those who are not commercial and are terrible performers. As well as have terrible performers in commercial music.
mira2605 2 years ago
regarding your theory in "great performer" and/or " terrible performer", it really has nothing to do with Chamaco trucutu, many bloggers feel marc did not do the song justice,you go back to how Marc is such a great performer, so what he's a great act but where's the music mira2605? in order to be a salsero you MUST have the music to back it up,your own repetoire, reach out to the real legends of this genre.the pachecos,palmieri,Zevrigon,Ithier,Roena,Valentins,Rosarios,Marc is busy in Hollywood
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Chamaco's music, the little that's out is prolific as well,he was much more musical than Marc,if u listened to "casimira" from that album u get that. nothing that marc has recorded comes close,if you think so,please tell me which song from Marc's repetoire that u consider hard core salsa.. I'm waiting, tell us Mira2605, hard like eddie palmieri hard, I don't want to see performances, give me a title....LOL -
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I think that Marcolino is Mark Dimond piano player who work with Frankie Dante. I never said that Marc has a salsa dura. I think it already check it as a theme. Already I am agree that Marc is not salsero, I promise you that I will hate the movie. See how obedient girl I am and think that is not necessary to mention again the same things again and start insulting me. "Plate bandera" is Tommy`s album, Chamaco`s album is "Alive and kicking"
mira2605 2 years ago
Not only markolino dimond worked w/Dante, but first he was Willie Colon's original band member, did u know that?ha ! with that being said, pleez pick up willie's album "guisando"&hear hector's canto,hear him say"markolino esta jugando",the music is at it's purest,hear the tune "te estan buscando"truely raw.where am i going?it was the best young talents getting together to make great music,unfortunately drugs were involved.What's irritating is people who have no idea claiming who's who.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
You can knows the whole story of salsa and you can continuously speak me patronizing, but you can not deprive me of my ears. I still hear well and I can enjoy by every one of this performers. Because no matter who is the best. Your work by default - I listen and then speak. You operated by default, but I like the first hear performance and then I talking about this.
mira2605 2 years ago
You are crazy ! Chamaco is precise ? what are you inventing now ?? LOL Chamaco is better than Hector ?vocally ? HA !!! You definitely need a Q-tip to clean out your ears.Repetoire,where is it? Kevin Ceballo & Frankie Negron & Marc Anthony are all in the same level,new salsero who needs to no history. 4 a young guy who is awesome,look at Ray Viera, or any of the singers from "la excelencia". they keep the salsa dura 4 this generation.Marc is in hollywood trying 2 get a movie deal- que mamaoooo
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
You say chamaco was better ? that's your opinion but please do yourself a favor &pick up an album called "el juicio"by willie colon, on vocals hector lavoe there's a # called "timbalero". Marc could never ever come close to record a # like that, u never answer my question either, name me song that Marc has done that you would consider salsa de la dura (hardcore) ?mira2605, all he knows how to perform his love songs& mess up other peoples work. Please DO NOT let him do anything from MAELO,,,,
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
By you claiming that" no one is at Chamaco's level"not even Hector Lavoe or Maelo, u will have enthusiasts who will respond,not that u have to agree but if say something be sure to back it up,u'r basing ur opinions on what? Hector's sang chorus for Chamaco,along with adalberto&yayo el indio,Chamaco throws it out on a verse,that was chamaco's ability to be spontaneous&be on &off the clave, Marc Anthony is no where near that... Marc is a good singer, not the best !!
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Marc is the best singer - that is fact which even you when decide to be honest accept. He is not salsero but if some from soneros must sing any of songs by Marc - they cant. Chamaco is hight level of sing and he is sonero. Maelo is greatest sonero - no doubt and no argument , but in singing Chamaco is most precise. Hector is El cantante de los cantantes and he is very precise in singing and have unique voice but Chamaco is better.
mira2605 2 years ago
Ha ! Marc is NOT the best singer !!! You say that because you are a fan, I can say he has a good voice but BEST ? What are you smoking ? He mess up this song by over singing it, Pete el conde vocally has an outstanding range and vocally is amazing, Andy is better than marc ,ismael miranda is better and so is bobby cruz.. What are you talking about..
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
His fan base is like that because of his talent - he touring most often in Colombia and other country with tradition of salsa and have full fill. Obviously the biggest injustice to you is that he makes millions of music, which other salsa artists can not. Apparently, life is unfair. All artists should be able to reach to many people with their art. This is what makes a Great performers - adoration of the people who listen them.
mira2605 2 years ago
marc, in this version of trucutu show that he's a cheap imtation of the original,chamaco owned these lyrics and marc sabatoge it completely, he should stick to singing,I will survive, que version barata, This man is not worthy to sing songs of Chamaco,Lavoe& please don't touch Maelo. he should stick to hasta ayer,y te amare, salsa de la monga, elevator music,
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I'm happy that marc made millions, that has nothing to do with him sabatoging this song, Hector's music too. u truly believe that hector is known bcuz of marc anthony's movie el cantante, u must be smoking something. Hector was big before marc &in NY they paid honor to him with a beautiful off broadway play that ran for years"quien mato a hector lavoe" in NY & PR, I don't expect u to no that since u're from Bulgaria,Marc at the time was singing latin/house, no salsa for marc the sensation
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Significantly easier to say - this is the worst movie. But Willie were consultant for the film. I really do not expect those people to be so small person. And Cheo??????? You can hate them how much you want, but Marc, Jennifer and the other of the team was devote years of work for Hector. They are very smart people and very well knew that this film can never be a big commercial success.
mira2605 2 years ago
But that sales of albums of Hector have increased several times - it is a fact which does not depend on you or me. No matter whether you or someone else will be able to respect the work of Marc, the important thing is that Hector and his music are much better known. Also, no matter if you call Marc salsero or not - frankly does not matter to me. Marc is a brilliant performer and it also does not depend on you or someone else who will say that he is not a salsero.
mira2605 2 years ago
mira2605,u know the movie had nothing to do with Hector's accomplishment as an outstanding Sonero/cantante,but more for JLO,she was the main character playing PUCHI &decided to take the lead role producing all negatives in hector's life of drugs lies&cheats,who are you fooling.she thought that this would hit big like selena.Marc was the best for the role because he is talented.If they would've had focused on hectors positive&negatives like the play, it would've been a success.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Willie DID NOT like the movie at all, who's going to like a movie where they showed him and Hector taking drugs, are you crazy ? But now I think we changed the subject, Don't get me wrong Mira, I love Marc Anthony's music, I will be a hypocrit to say I don't, I just would not say he's a living legend &you need to understand NOT everybody will agree, Chamaco was AWESOME Sonero& a notorious thief, Maelo was homeless& was in &out of drugs too.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
I will only say that I have a feeling that we were watching different movies. For me, Hector was amazing man, although it was dependent on drugs. The impression which stayed with the film is a very decisive and very obtrusive woman, and tragic, great man. The strongest scenes in the film are when Hector is seen singing and adoration of the audience. And how happy he was on stage, in contrast to how he felt outside.
mira2605 2 years ago
For the rest - Maelo really is the greatest sonero - I never questioned that fact, nor for a moment. And really does not matter whether you call Marc salsero or not - he remains incredibly precise performer. Peace? And without that I currently listen most often Descarga Boricua and from time to time Son Boricua :-) - now that most excites me.
mira2605 2 years ago
I saw the real hector in 1986 in the bronx on 156 & 3rd ave,, I will never forget his amazing soul, he was a humble human and drugs was a small part of his life, The movie focused on JLO,if they would've made the movie w/marc being the lead it would've been something. No one I know liked it, no one but you Mira.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
So, I am unique :-) OK I will start to hate this movie
mira2605 2 years ago
Yes u r unique, as I said before, Marc is talented, he was perfect for the movie just the movie sucked,Willie was the consultant but as per Willie, they did not use any of his advise,Hector life wasn't drugs &alcohol only if u believe that then u'r in la la land. the off broadway play was AWESOME!! The willie in the movie didn't do much talking,& willie was the bandleader of a very talented group of young guys, mir, did u ever hear about a guy named Markolino ?
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
u stated that hector music is better known &his sales are up,&being portray as a junkie is nothing,just as long as he's known,okay!? 1 of Hectors song"la fama"tells u what he thinks about being"better known",Hector's repetoire is filled with life experiences, u can't ever compare Marc or Chamaco's music to an Hector or Maelo, Chamaco"Plante Bandera", Hector was part of his chorus,collaborating musically like brothers, these days, we have Marc in hollywood collaborating with JLO only.
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Nadie como ella, Hubo alguen, Celos ... it is not salsa? You gotta be kidding me please - that he sings pop performances do not make him unable to sing salsa. For now he not make salsa dura, but this is a whole genre of music - you can not restrict it to only one part of it.
mira2605 2 years ago
If you can not see the big difference between the performance from 2000 and that from 2009 there is no way I could explain. And this is his song. What remains for the song that not is his own and performed it 1994-95 - talk about Trukutu. Of course he can not sound very good!
mira2605 2 years ago
The Vina de mar 2009 hasta ayer performance I was referring to that song not being a salsa tune, not his other material that u mentioned below.u tend to mix apple and oranges & your perception to what salsa is i s what's confusing all of us. U give excuses of why marc couldn't make the song sound good bcuz of his age, what are u talking about? I just saw Ray Viera sing the song & he's younger than marc & he did justice to it. Bottom line, salsa is all about spontaneity & Marc is not that,
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
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mira2605 2 years ago
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I understand now, Marc is not salsero. He sing only pop songs and his talent is limited only for easy singing songs. He is a shame for salsa and I am ashamed that I am his fan. Apparently a lot of people (Celia, Tito, Johnny Pacheco, Ruben ..) are also confused as me.
mira2605 2 years ago
regarding the trucutu or aguanile or se esfuma,or hasta que te conoci or songs that he sings from hector lavoe's repetoire, marc DOES NOT have the ability to be creative &make it his own,he's a great singer as I told u a million times but he's not a legend,he's from the same kettle as India,Brenda K star,Kevin Ceballo,Jerry Rivera,Tito Rojas,Victor Manuelle, people who hit it big with the romantic salsa,which I like too, I have his library & it's NOT considered as salsa dura
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
Sorry about that you were so angry, but even if he not makes salsa dura, Marc brings popularity and for others in this genre. That neither you nor any of fans of dura salsa will recognize, but that's a fact. All who disagree with this film and the way in which they are made of Hector's songs, rather than speak, had done something to introduce Hector in the world. After this film and soundtrack increased several times the sales of albums of Hector and other Fania stars.
mira2605 2 years ago
Now Chamaco vs. Maelo, LOL - take the amount of songs Maelo made his, look at the different songs he sang, whether it's boogaloo (bamba cure), bomba and plena, bolero, son montuno, guaracha etc.etc. He sang everything, How could even compare when Chamaco idol is Maelo ? Maelo influenced Orquestras and bands and you're making this ridiculous accusation ? Por favor, please you tube Celia and Maelo "cucala", Chamaco is a great improvisador but Maelo had it all.... Por Favor !!!!!
salsaenthusiast 2 years ago
This dispute is redundant, because we see things from an entirely different perspective. You use Marc`s singing at the beginning of his career against him. Generally used everything that could be used against him. And also against Chamaco. I do not lessen the importance of either a legend in this music because I myself enjoy them daily but do not like putting things unfair and for that disputing.
mira2605 2 years ago
Nadie le quita a Marc que es un buen interprete pero para esta clase de canciones se necesita a un buen sonero,y el no lo es.
juancabautista 2 years ago
marc es un buen cannate, pero en esta ocacion me voy a reservar el comentaria ya que no me gusta esta version de trucutu
sorry marc
veramexi 2 years ago
Ala banda le falta pa llegar aya al nivel de olivencia en los 70's
sonerito12 2 years ago
Buena Marc, muy buena!!!
eduardoxxp 2 years ago
Nobody and I say NO ONE is at the level of Chamaco Ramirez absolutely none! Neither Hector nor Ishmael Rivera or anyone! But in this record Marc perform a salsa maximum from two years! However, achieved very good level of performance of this material, which is Salsa Dura!
mira2605 2 years ago
Marc has other musical memories, another musical sense, live in another time! He is simply true to the time. Yes, he does not improvise, but I think that is a matter of responsibility to know what good and what not to choose to do only that which their good. In the implementation of salsa now he is brilliant in improv - no. I believe that this is not enough reason to get this contempt, which showcase.
mira2605 2 years ago
Look, inability to be a good performer is not transmitted sexually! He is just married for J Lo he does not become J Lo! If you do not like his music - listen music wich you likes! But I want to say that it is very foolish to reject so quality performers for no musical reasons! It maybe a commercial albums in English, but in salsa albums, everything included is SALSA! With his style, his voice, his passion and feeling! And it is PURE MUSIC!
mira2605 2 years ago