What a joy to see as well as hear this. Troyanos' performance of Ariodante at Carnegie Hall around this time was a revelation to me. After that I saw her every chance I get and could never understand why a CD of that performance was never released. This video brings her back to life, Thank you!
The first time I heard Troyanos was in this part. The Kennedy Center concert hall opened with Aln Titus doing Bernstein's Mass. The opera house simulatneously opened with Ariodante. Sills was the big star but Troyanos out sang her. Donald Gramm and Phillip Booth did the bass roles. I forget the tenor.
she was a giant or is Martin Katz not tall at all ? Actually she's wonderful : Why do we have to hear poor voices in baroc music when such great singer with volume and ringing tones sing it so great ?
As usual, thank you Madame Troyanos for having reorded it !
She is amazing, but I disagree that we hear poor voices in baroque music. Baorque and classical are in fashion these days and there are many wonderful singers, both conventional and unconventional, who sing those genres.
grazie per aver messo a disposizione questa straordinari testimonianza!! è meravigliosa...tutto, l'atmosfera, la voce, il pianista...un momento divino!!
Poor Tatiana! First the audience claps in the middle of the song, then the breezes knock the music off of the piano. Thank the good lord she had a sense of humor (imagine if that had happened to Callas!)
Kid, RELAX! don't worry about "Poor Tatiana". See how well she handled it? Like you said, she had a sense of humor. At least you had the right attitude towards that situation, as opposed to some who proceeded to tear her to shreds.
A great artists and and wonderful Handel singer. She broke ground for the Handel revival that is in full swing today. Obviously there are some children who watch these videos and they don't know ... from Shinola about great singing!!
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
I've heard nearly every recording of "Con l'ali di costanza" and have seen many performances of it in concert. However, nothing has stricken me more than this uninformed, amateur, not to mention unprofessional recital. The tempo is juvenile, the da capo is incompetently ornamented, etc. It should be a crime for singers to butcher music thus.
Wow,"butcher" is an understatement! I think she sang just about half the aria. Well, that was back then! I feel lucky that this is no longer acceptable.
In defense of the great Troyanos (I can't believe I need to!) her technique is great, and her tempo quite judicious. Her Cleopatra (to Dietrich Fischer-Diskau's GC!) is great! If she was around now, as one can only wish (sigh), she'd be having a good time with all the great Baroque maestri.
O.K. I wouldn't go as far as to refer to it as "butcher" but you're right that this edition is not accurate. I call it super-abbridged, NOW THAT I GOT THE SCORE AND memorized the entire thing in detail I see what you mean
No worries about that, mate. These singers use different 'cuts' in recitals all the time, it's not a big deal (but Tatiana would have had to approve the version used since she would have prepared with her accompanist before hand). Recitals aren't opera performance, so bickering over cuts is just sweating small stuff.
She was a fine artist who is no longer with us. That some people would go around bashing her says more about them than it does her.
You'll see that in a way, I agree with you, if you take a look at my other 2 comments from one month ago, specifically in reply to GiovanniCarestini and the other reply to him by Vitelia, plus all the other comments not necessarily in response to anyone. You'll see that I have a super admiration for Tatiana.
Ummm...you're being unnecessarily mean. troyanos was one of the people who made these roles popular. She is singing a version BY Handel, and her ornamentation was typical of the period (1980s). Troyanos was one of THE great singers (a big star at the Met), her Carmen, Kundry, Giulietta, Romeo (particularly), Adalgisa, Komponist and Octavian are legendary, as is her Cleopatra, Cesare and Ariodante.
She delivers such a perfect rendition, she makes it sound like no one ever needed singing lessons. The voice just flows out so easily, almost as if involuntary! Breath control, yepp; she's mastered that! Her style, simple Handel, as opposed to overly dramatic (which would border "out of tune"). Sounds JUST VERY NATURAL. What else can I say? BEAUTIFUL JOB!
Oh no, this ain't a version by Handel. He'd be flipping in his grave. I love Troyanos, but let's get the fact straight: whoever came up with this "version" butchered and massacred the great aria into a fraction and reduced it into a recital opener. I wish she hadn't sung this "version" at all as she would've been brilliant singing the entire aria. Again, I'm glad we know better now than then, and this practice is considered unacceptable.
Did Janet Baker also record this version on her complete Ariodante? I think she may have...another on who could have sung the fuller version but didn't. Is it definitely not by Handel, I vaguely remember an alternate version of this aria at the back of the full score. I love the farce halfway through...
Yes she Janet baker also did this version.. actually before the rebirth of attraction for baroque musique in the 90's , Everyone was doing this "cut" version , Lorraine hunt and von otter were almost the first doing the complete version of this aria on cd
This version is DEFINITLY done by handel himself, I have the original score! Handel wrote himself an alternative version of the aria ( kind of easier one),with less coloraturas. He does that sometime with extremly virtuosic aria,like the aria"A dispetto" in Tamerlano where also there he wrotes himself the cuts in the coloraturas section..So i was following the video with the score under my eyes and Miss Troyanos did exactly what is written in this alternative version of "Col l'ali di costanza"!!
An "uninformed, amateur", SHE IS NOT! and there is nothing so called "unprofessional" about this recital, or "juvenile" She handled the situation beautifully, in good humor. Don't forget, she did not go fetch a gust of wind tat blew off the pianist's score, and she did not make the audience clap in the middle of an unfinished performance. She rehearsed hours a day for years, just for you to trash her TALENT and total achievement. Baby, that ain't cool!
O.K. This is not to diminish from her beautiful perfomance, but honestly, whoever chose this super- abbridged edition of "Con l'ali di costanza for her, I don't know what was the matter with them. It's not the original. Now that I know the score off by heart, I realize that quite a few parts were skipped, but I doubt Tatiana did that, because the pianist seemed to have the same edition as what she was singing, and it's rather odd. But I'm sure many people back then didn't know the difference
Gone much too soon but thank goodness we have videos like this to keep her artistry and talent alive.
Sotzume 1 year ago
I love the way she handles all the mishaps!
She was such a wonderful performer...her
gorgeous voice silenced way too soon.
Thank you for posting this gem.
Jeanne90275 1 year ago
What a joy to see as well as hear this. Troyanos' performance of Ariodante at Carnegie Hall around this time was a revelation to me. After that I saw her every chance I get and could never understand why a CD of that performance was never released. This video brings her back to life, Thank you!
spunsilver 1 year ago
"Up here, it's breezy." :D :D
She has a lot of class and poise to weather (pun intended) that mishap, and then she *still* continues to sing beautifully. Thanks for posting!
HM0880 1 year ago
Very nice clip....I adore her voice! Thank you Satoko, having a great sense of humour is a sign of intelligence!
Fehlzeiten 1 year ago
Tatiana, has sido un haz de luz en el camino de la opera.
te admirarmos por siempre Q.E.P.D.
siglinde86 2 years ago
You can see Tatiana's lovely personality here.
I would have love to be there...
Thank you so much for posting!
She is absolutely gorgeous...
RIP Tatiana
fairlytaleofnewyork 2 years ago
Martin Katz is a stud!
ariodante76 3 years ago
Though I prefer Ann Murray's or Kirchschlager's version - this voice is soooo amazing!
Tigermuc 3 years ago
Magnifique!!
eddi1178 3 years ago
Why make such a big deal about using a different version? She is a wonderful singer.
trousermezzo 3 years ago
... or was, I should say.
trousermezzo 3 years ago
The first time I heard Troyanos was in this part. The Kennedy Center concert hall opened with Aln Titus doing Bernstein's Mass. The opera house simulatneously opened with Ariodante. Sills was the big star but Troyanos out sang her. Donald Gramm and Phillip Booth did the bass roles. I forget the tenor.
Agorante 3 years ago
she was a giant or is Martin Katz not tall at all ? Actually she's wonderful : Why do we have to hear poor voices in baroc music when such great singer with volume and ringing tones sing it so great ?
As usual, thank you Madame Troyanos for having reorded it !
neochmia 3 years ago
She is amazing, but I disagree that we hear poor voices in baroque music. Baorque and classical are in fashion these days and there are many wonderful singers, both conventional and unconventional, who sing those genres.
moghedien13 3 years ago
I don't know how tall or not Martin Katz is, but Tatiana Troyanos was a little taller than 1,80m. (Sorry, don't know in feet...)
crazymezzo09 3 years ago
She was just under 6 ft. There's a funny photo of her singing Dido with Placido Domingo, and he's clearly wearing elevator sandals.
Anyone have a video of her Scherza Infida?
geschwitz4 3 years ago
@geschwitz4
I have one. Her singing is really wonderful.
I will forward it to you.
fairlytaleofnewyork 1 year ago
he is small...
sonqualnave 3 years ago
That's amazing that she could sing that AND Venus in Tannhauser! I have always loved her voice, and singing. Such a smoothness.
foropera 3 years ago
Yup, and even a killer Santuzza. Just watched a DVD of it (Domingo is Turiddu). She was an amazing artist! :o)
SDCmorg 3 years ago
Tatiana put the balls in those pants roles. God love her!
mozylover 4 years ago 2
grazie per aver messo a disposizione questa straordinari testimonianza!! è meravigliosa...tutto, l'atmosfera, la voce, il pianista...un momento divino!!
russermollesca 4 years ago
Poor Tatiana! First the audience claps in the middle of the song, then the breezes knock the music off of the piano. Thank the good lord she had a sense of humor (imagine if that had happened to Callas!)
hillevifan 4 years ago 5
Kid, RELAX! don't worry about "Poor Tatiana". See how well she handled it? Like you said, she had a sense of humor. At least you had the right attitude towards that situation, as opposed to some who proceeded to tear her to shreds.
compeld2sing 4 years ago
@hillevifan
Totally agreed. I think it that had happend to Kathleen Battle...........
Tatiana was really great!
fairlytaleofnewyork 1 year ago
A great artists and and wonderful Handel singer. She broke ground for the Handel revival that is in full swing today. Obviously there are some children who watch these videos and they don't know ... from Shinola about great singing!!
leontyne2 4 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I've heard nearly every recording of "Con l'ali di costanza" and have seen many performances of it in concert. However, nothing has stricken me more than this uninformed, amateur, not to mention unprofessional recital. The tempo is juvenile, the da capo is incompetently ornamented, etc. It should be a crime for singers to butcher music thus.
GiovanniCarestini 4 years ago
Wow,"butcher" is an understatement! I think she sang just about half the aria. Well, that was back then! I feel lucky that this is no longer acceptable.
In defense of the great Troyanos (I can't believe I need to!) her technique is great, and her tempo quite judicious. Her Cleopatra (to Dietrich Fischer-Diskau's GC!) is great! If she was around now, as one can only wish (sigh), she'd be having a good time with all the great Baroque maestri.
vitellia 4 years ago
O.K. I wouldn't go as far as to refer to it as "butcher" but you're right that this edition is not accurate. I call it super-abbridged, NOW THAT I GOT THE SCORE AND memorized the entire thing in detail I see what you mean
compeld2sing 3 years ago
No worries about that, mate. These singers use different 'cuts' in recitals all the time, it's not a big deal (but Tatiana would have had to approve the version used since she would have prepared with her accompanist before hand). Recitals aren't opera performance, so bickering over cuts is just sweating small stuff.
She was a fine artist who is no longer with us. That some people would go around bashing her says more about them than it does her.
SDCmorg 3 years ago 2
You'll see that in a way, I agree with you, if you take a look at my other 2 comments from one month ago, specifically in reply to GiovanniCarestini and the other reply to him by Vitelia, plus all the other comments not necessarily in response to anyone. You'll see that I have a super admiration for Tatiana.
(by the way, nothing less than 5*)
compeld2sing 3 years ago
Ummm...you're being unnecessarily mean. troyanos was one of the people who made these roles popular. She is singing a version BY Handel, and her ornamentation was typical of the period (1980s). Troyanos was one of THE great singers (a big star at the Met), her Carmen, Kundry, Giulietta, Romeo (particularly), Adalgisa, Komponist and Octavian are legendary, as is her Cleopatra, Cesare and Ariodante.
altodivo 4 years ago 7
She delivers such a perfect rendition, she makes it sound like no one ever needed singing lessons. The voice just flows out so easily, almost as if involuntary! Breath control, yepp; she's mastered that! Her style, simple Handel, as opposed to overly dramatic (which would border "out of tune"). Sounds JUST VERY NATURAL. What else can I say? BEAUTIFUL JOB!
compeld2sing 4 years ago
absolutely. absolutely correct. Haendel should be sung clean straight and bare-hearted when appropriate. I can't stand the too-clever ornamentations.
beteltree 3 years ago
Oh no, this ain't a version by Handel. He'd be flipping in his grave. I love Troyanos, but let's get the fact straight: whoever came up with this "version" butchered and massacred the great aria into a fraction and reduced it into a recital opener. I wish she hadn't sung this "version" at all as she would've been brilliant singing the entire aria. Again, I'm glad we know better now than then, and this practice is considered unacceptable.
vitellia 3 years ago
Did Janet Baker also record this version on her complete Ariodante? I think she may have...another on who could have sung the fuller version but didn't. Is it definitely not by Handel, I vaguely remember an alternate version of this aria at the back of the full score. I love the farce halfway through...
altodivo 3 years ago
Yes she Janet baker also did this version.. actually before the rebirth of attraction for baroque musique in the 90's , Everyone was doing this "cut" version , Lorraine hunt and von otter were almost the first doing the complete version of this aria on cd
sonqualnave 3 years ago
This version is DEFINITLY done by handel himself, I have the original score! Handel wrote himself an alternative version of the aria ( kind of easier one),with less coloraturas. He does that sometime with extremly virtuosic aria,like the aria"A dispetto" in Tamerlano where also there he wrotes himself the cuts in the coloraturas section..So i was following the video with the score under my eyes and Miss Troyanos did exactly what is written in this alternative version of "Col l'ali di costanza"!!
sonqualnave 3 years ago 2
An "uninformed, amateur", SHE IS NOT! and there is nothing so called "unprofessional" about this recital, or "juvenile" She handled the situation beautifully, in good humor. Don't forget, she did not go fetch a gust of wind tat blew off the pianist's score, and she did not make the audience clap in the middle of an unfinished performance. She rehearsed hours a day for years, just for you to trash her TALENT and total achievement. Baby, that ain't cool!
compeld2sing 4 years ago 2
BRAVISSIMA!! Even if she do the optional version written by handel , with less coloratura..this is still wonderful.. Love it!
sonqualnave 4 years ago 3
She skips a lot of music, tho... even before the breeze keeps blowing the score off the piano.
MBWoland 4 years ago
Whatever she did, God blessed her. And Handel too.
Anyway, I love most the moment when she touches his hand.
ferzunkin 4 years ago
Agree!
compeld2sing 4 years ago
O.K. This is not to diminish from her beautiful perfomance, but honestly, whoever chose this super- abbridged edition of "Con l'ali di costanza for her, I don't know what was the matter with them. It's not the original. Now that I know the score off by heart, I realize that quite a few parts were skipped, but I doubt Tatiana did that, because the pianist seemed to have the same edition as what she was singing, and it's rather odd. But I'm sure many people back then didn't know the difference
compeld2sing 3 years ago
One of the best rendition of this aria I've heard! Thanks for posting this clip. :o)
RIP Tatiana, you splendid thing!
SDCmorg 4 years ago 4