i have seen enough proof on this page to show , scripturally, that yes Jesus is the son of God. Otherwise , ones saying not are adding and justifiying it with there own addings to Gods word. REad through the comments , see for yourself. look at the list of why the triinity is so false. on God having to prove faithful to himself if he really inpregnated a woman with himeself. for the head of Christ is God too in 1 cor. it all there, just look for yourselfs
@shihtzufizzers I am neither a trinitarian or a unitarian, I can see both sides of the argument. What do you think of this scripture? Isaiah 44:24 "This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?" Jehovah here seems to say that He did these things by himself, indeed he states "Who was with me" indicating of course that no one was with him?
When spoken in plural in Genesis it was cuz Jesus was already created and every thing else was created for him. So we don't wrorship Jesus but worship Jehovah and we go to the father by imitating and following Jesus example. It all makes perfect sense now. Satan tries really hard to make ppl worship anything or anyone including jesus just not the father Jehovah.
I noticed how Satan is called a god... I believe the apostle Paul was called a god when he was bitten by a snake.. Moses was called a god.. I do recall Jehovah was the only one called the almighty and the creator of all even Jesus as mentioned in
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all creation;
So Jesus was created before the earth and everything else.. It makes sense.. Nothing contradicts this believe.. Jesus was called a god but not referring to the all might
GEOVA NON ESISTE, E IL GEOVISMO E' TUTTA OPERA DI SATANA per sviare le persone dalla VERA PAROLA DI DIO, il quale è DIO D'AMORE DI PERDONO E DI SALVEZZA. Al contrario, infatti, il culto per il fantoccio-geova ha l'unico scopo di annullare le persone alienandole dal mondo e di spaccare le famiglie. E' una "religione" totalmente distorta, alterata, inverosimile, contraddittoria, scopiazzata e modificata ad uso e consumo della diabolica organizzazione chiamata "Watchtower". Ma il male non vincerà !
And a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud: “This is my Son, the beloved; listen to him.” this is in Mark 9 :7 look at the end of the scripture. look at end ; God is saying this, this is my Son. not this is me here and down there. come on now, the bible has so many points showing that Jesus is Gods son. and this teaching harmonizes with the bible. for it the trinity did , you would have to throw out portions of the bible and 2 tim 3:16 would not be true
Jesus never called himself the great "I AM." Jesus always proclaimed the Father as the only true GOD!!
Jesus said, what I teach(doctrine) is not mine, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16
In other words, his role is greater than that of Abraham!!
Jesus was trying to explain to them that he is in fact the Messiah sent to save them!! Meaning Jesus is the Christ, the One that GOD sent forth. John.17:3, John.7:28, John.8:42, John.7:16, John.5:24, Acts.13:23 etc...
If we lived when Jesus walked the earth & wanted to know who he was, about his disciples, what he taught,would we ask pharisees, and sadducees, or Judas a former apostle? Or would we find out directly from Jesus and his disciples about the teachings? Knowing the pharisees and Sadducees absolutely hated Jesus, and Judas was a thief and betrayer of his lord, would we listen to and believe what these said about Jesus? Not if we wanted honest, truthful answers. Same applies to Jehovah's Witnesses.
We must remember that the devil controls most of the world, by deceiving them to belive his lies. And since man is a fallen creature natuarly he inclines towards evil and sin.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. He who is of God have overcome satan.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Regarding the faithful slave and the evil slave. It is the evil slave who speculated on the time of the masters arrival, for he says: "My master is delayed." Well if he thought the master delayed his arrival the evil slave must have speculated on the time of his arrival, getting it wrong of course. In contrast the faithful slave waits patiently, keeping watch because the master will arrive unannounced.
Jehovah's Witnesses base all their beliefs on God's word the Bible and uphold the Bible as their Supreme authority just as the 1st Century Christians to whom the apostle Paul wrote: "That is why we...thank God...because when you received God's word which you heard from us, you accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God, which is also at work in you believers."-1thess 2:13,read also 2tim.3:16,17. Jehovah's witnesses base all their answers from the Bible
@Mr66526652 I'm sure that most christian denominations base their teachings on the Bible. And they can all put forth arguments supporting their views, there are many winds of doctrine, but they are not important. Even Paul acknowledged "At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known. Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love." (1 Corinthians 13:12, 13)
If the GB of the JW's are really spirit directed they would have discerned from the scriptures that it does not belong to us to know the day or the hour, that they should not be uttering the sentence "the due time has approached" an identifying feature Jesus gave for true christians in order for them to know who to avoid!
My attacks are not against individual JW's who may or may not be decent people, I don't judge them. Any organisation which describes itself as the only means of salvation above Christ our leader is wrong, including the Roman Catholic organised religion.
@starfillednights May I ask, how is it that you are so familiar or at least claim to be so familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses and their beliefs? What is your religious background ?
@Mr66526652 I am a faded JW. I was quite young when I was baptised and I remember there being an awful lot of pressure on young ones at the time to get baptised. Everyone kept asking "when are you getting baptised" and then the blank stares when you had no response. As I grew older in years I began to ask deeper questions and was no longer satisfied with Watchtower explanations. I do not disagree with everything though, there is still some common ground.
@starfillednights ~ 2B or NOT 2B is the ONLY QUESTION! It's Called FAITH period! Jesus Paid the whole DEBT thru the Simple Gospel..... Not of Works lest ANY man should BOAST! :)
@SuperWilliam2424 Yes...faith is a very important factor..but take your bible and read James 2:26 "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD." Does this scripture not count because it doesn't fit in with your teachings?
@badwingduck1 ~ It ain't My teachings!! The Word "FAITH"?? Wanna know what the Word Judging means?? Humans have "ZERO" ability to know if Someone is Going 2 Heaven or Hell?? The JUDGEMENT SEAT is CHRISTS ONLY! No way are YOU able to know if someone TRULY BELIEVES?? That's what James 2:26 is telling you? If someone is TRULY saved you can SEE it BY their "WORKS"? Get it? That's called FRUIT... Get it?? You'll know when someones SAVED but don't bother trying 2 Judge it ain't your JOB! :) Got Jesus?
@SuperWilliam2424 I take it that now you are going to contradict your statement before this one that we only need faith and as you stressed PERIOD and therefore come into agreement with what the scriptures state at James 2:26 that faith without works is dead???
@badwingduck1 ~ This is my last Response 2 you! Faith Period! Once your TRULY "SAVED" & i know i am! Guess what?? The Holy Spirit INDWELLS in you! You'll TRULY know it! You are "CHANGED"! Debating with you will be an Exercise in Futility! Especially after i looked @ your Boob tube Channel! Your Probably a Paid Google troll! If you want my address i'll e-mail it 2 you! LoL! Got Jesus? Don't be Caught Dead without him! God Bless you! :)
@SuperWilliam2424 About the being saved??... A huge NO THANK YOU because I still have my abilities of reason and common sense. I'll let you know when I lose them and you can save me then.
@badwingduck1 ~ Wing-Dong? I can't make Cents 4 you! I can only LEAD you 2 Christ because i don't have the ability 2 Save You Jesus Paid the Price Not me! :)
@SuperWilliam2424 Again...no thanks...don't need you to lead me because when a blind man leads a blind man...they both fall into the pit, and I can see my way along just fine.
@SuperWilliam2424 Oh..and I did not judge anybody...I simply reminded you to read a certain scripture and asked if it doesn't count towards your teachings. If you feel judged after that, then perhaps you should reconsider what it is you are teaching because the bible does indeed judge us by contradicting wrongful teachings.
@SuperWilliam2424 Best to ignore him. He definitely isn't a faithful JW who is sticking closely to the directives laid out by the so-called faithful slave in NY, if he was he wouldn't be posting here with his argumentative and judgemental spirit. But hey, that's JW's. It's why I have faded as I saw not the spirit of love amongst them. It is confirmed more and more as I read many of their posts on the web. They condemn others while failing to recognise the rafter in their own eye. Hypocrites.
@badwingduck1 "read James 2:26 "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD." Does this scripture not count because it doesn't fit in with your teachings?"
"...When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit."Ep.1:13
We both believe in JESUS as the SON of GOD but I believe in JESUS & received the seal from GOD. If you have the seal of GOD show me the WORKS of YOUR SEAL/FAITH and I'll tell you the WORKS of MY SEAL/FAITH.
@starfillednights in other words he is an apostate. speaking against the holy spirit. and God ppl. that all. there are scriptures in the bible that tell us what to look out for and what they will be doing . i can show them to you if interested
@Mr66526652 I have no problem with individual Jehovah's Witnesses, a few I still remain good friends with. I would just encourage any prospective member to do just as the Bereans. Fully research them and their beliefs before committing to becoming one. Many younger ones especially become baptised members without fully understanding certain teachings and when they progress spiritually as they grow in age become aware of other possible understandings from the scriptures.
Well I would prefer to stick with what Jehovah's Son said than a religious organisation which proclaims it itself is the means of salvation for mankind. They will be the ones weeping and gnashing their teeth for proclaiming false prophecies. You can follow that organisation if you like. My messages are for neutral ones who are looking for the truth in Christ Jesus, not for disfellowshipped JW's seeking reinstatement. Jesus' words are clear for all " Do not follow them."
Luke 21:8 "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them." True Christians today wait patiently for the master to arrive and do not proclaim 'The time is near' as do the JW's and others. True Christians do not say 'I am he' as if to say that they are the anointed and salvation is attained through them. Jesus is the Christ is the way the truth and the life, we are saved through faith in him. Ephesians 2:8,9.
@starfillednights Satan is not a little red man with a trident as the clergy of christendom have painted him up to be. He is a powerful, invisible and extremely intelligent creature..an angel gone bad so to speak..who is intent on misleading mankind from true worship. As the scriptures say..he is an angel of light who wishes to mislead all of mankind. Therefore, your attacks against Jehovah and his people are irrevelant and a facade...an expression of demons. What better way for Satan to
@starfillednights mislead mankind than to use misinterpretation of scripture and smooth words from the bible itself? So continue with your gnashing of teeth, because the bible said that you would and it just strengthens my faith in my heavenly Father Jehovah!!!
Yes satan is a powerful, invisible and extremely intelligent creature intent on misleading mankind from the truth. Somehow you extrapolate from this fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses are the sole channel of truth. It's a bit like saying 1+1=3.
In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA. There is no way that a tomb dated before 1278 C.E never mind 70 C.E could contain the name Jehovah. It more likely contained the four letter consonants of the Tetragrammaton. Hebrew had no "j" or "j" sound. But hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
@starfillednights The exact quote from Wynn Parry/live science.com under his article entitled Possible earliest evidence of Christianity resurrected from ancient tomb.
"One of the limestone ossuaries bears an inscription in Greek that includes a reference to "Divine Jehovah" raising someone up."
@Mr66526652 Most scholars believe "Jehovah" to be a late (ca. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).It was not the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Pentateuch (6th century BCE), at which time the most likely vocalization was Yahweh.
It is apparent that since it has now been proven that true early christians called God by his name Jehovah and that the bible says that he would chose from amongst the nations a people for his name, that this is an identifying mark of true christianity. Therefore true christians today would carry that name and use it extensively as the early christians obviously did.
It is extremely interesting to note that on today's Yahoo News, archaeologists have just discovered a tomb of early christians dating before 70 A.D. inside which they found the words "divine Jehovah", thus proving that the true early christians called God by his name..Jehovah! With whom does one immediately associate that name in our day??? Also referrence is found inside the tomb to awaiting a resurrection from the tomb, and who teaches that in our day? True Christians..that's who!!!
It is extremely interesting to note that on today's Yahoo News, archaeologists have just discovered a tomb of early christians dating before 70 A.D. inside which they found the words "divine Jehovah", thus proving that the true early christians called God by his name..Jehovah! With whom does one immediately associate that name in our day??? Also referrence is found inside the tomb to awaiting a resurrection from the tomb, and who teaches that in our day? True Christians..that's who!!!
@badwingduck1 Thankyou for sharing this enlightening information. I looked it up my self on the internet and the article was written by Wynne Parry/ live science.com Feb.28/2012 entitled "Possible earliest evidence of Christianity Resurrected from ancient Tomb. The exact quote is "One of the limestone ossuaries bears an inscription in Greek that includes a reference to "Divine Jehovah" raising someone up." As Jesus said in prayer to his God&Father "I have made your name known to them" John 17:26
@Mr66526652 I appologize to you brother that I am currently in a disfellowshipped state, however I am scratching and clawing my way back to Jehovah. I have been in a huge battle with these apostates and also with the evil slave on here. Even friends who were involved in the drug trade have started trying to turn to God, some even trying to stop their former courses of conduct because they see me trying to turn my life around. I do not fear Satan or anything he can throw at me. I love Jehovah and
@Mr66526652 I love my former bros. and sisters, and I am determined. There is only Jehovah and no one else. In fact, no one and nothing else counts. I despise those ones who have sinned against Jehovah's spirit and I despise their mob mentality on these sites against Jehovah's people. I will most definitely give up my life if necessary for either Jehovah or his people without hesitation. There just is no one and nothing else worth living for!!!
@Mr66526652 Agape love, and trust in Jehovah. He has the answers and when the time comes...He himself will fight for us just as He did for his covenant people, the early Israelites!!!
@badwingduck1 I don't directly respond to apostates knowingly no matter what if I know they are one.They fight and hate Jehovah God like Satan and the demons.To knowingly communicate with them is wrong. I only respond with persons that I believe are mislead due to false religious teachings. I recommend same. Many years ago I was once where you are. This scripture brought so much encouragement to me Joel 2:12-14..Keep clinging to Jehovah and never give up! Talk again when ur back
@Mr66526652 I will never stop clinging to or wanting Jehovah! I was simply trying to find more kingdom songs and information on Jehovah's organization on here, and I stumbled upon these sites. I recognized them for what they were..the evil slave class that Jesus spoke about in Mathew 14...my master has delayed..but I saw the dangers towards those who are honest of heart and truly want to serve their creator and perhaps are persons of goodwill or spiritually weak and I felt that I needed to make
@Mr66526652 a proper defense so that they are not easily mislead. I truly got to know how Jesus felt when he was accused and ridiculed by the Jews. However, what they are doing is a weeping and a gnashing of teeth as Jesus foretold that they would. Jehovah will judge them accordingly in his own due time for the bloodguilt that they bear in their own hands for those that they mislead away from the waters of life. Again..Agape love to you. Jehovah bless you with life everlasting in the new system.
How did Jesus feel about submitting to Jehovah’s headship and coming to earth? The Scriptures state: “Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death.”
@TheButtascotchbro1 great point. now why have they not had a come back for this one? you know, if they really think Jesus in the all mighty God. So many scriputes would have to be wrong, like the one above. also they have no answer to 2 tim 2:16 then either. Yes Jehovah is God the all mighty and Jesus is is son. Why would God inpregnate many to prove himself faithful to himself? right?
@shihtzufizzers Because 2+2 doesn't = 4 it's 22..many people don't have the basic formula or understanding of the equation of math let alone the bible and it words..Jesus said it himself the father is greater then i..not a part of me is greater them myself..
(Phil. 2:5-8) At all times, Jesus humbly submitted to his Father’s will. He said: “I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 5:30) “I always do the things pleasing to [my Father],” he declared. (John 8:29) Toward the end of his life on earth, Jesus said in prayer to his Father: “I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.” (John 17:4) Evidently, Jesus had no problem with recognizing and accepting God’s headship over him.
@TheButtascotchbro1 Thankyou in your excellent support of Bible truth that proves beyond any doubt that the doctrine of the Trinity is an apostate 4th Century doctrine invented under Satan's influence to hide the identity of the Most High God JEHOVAH.(Psalms 83:18)
@Mr66526652 I had several copy's and various one at that from different printer and from 15th century to now I have not found one that supports the lie.of the trinity..even the pope stated it's not a bible teaching
The bible is man made evil, look at you pathetic lives arguing over distortion written by mans ego, fools, IN this day & age you people should be sent back to the 5th century so you can kill each other over a book, self righteous fools
@sluggfish The bible is not man made. if you look at history and understand the facts found you would see this. It takes time and intellegence and understanding but it is proovable. NOw for the killings in the dark ages, yes , wrong, but the ones killing were not men of God. they were horrible tyrants pretending to follow God. That is why the bible state that they were drunk on the blood of Gods ppl. nothing Christian about those murderers back then. But 1 group in the true ppl of God JW's
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”
@tHeSiLvErHuNk Once again, in order for this scripture to fit in with the rest of the Bible it must be taken in the proper context. When Jesus came to the earth he was a REPRESENTATIVE of his God and Father JEHOVAH (please read John 7:28,29, John 1:14,18) As Hebrews 1:3 states "He(Jesus) is the exact REPRESENTATION OF HIS VERY BEING. Thats why he could say to Philip "If you"ve seen me, you've seen the Father." Jesus explains the meaning,he is in unity with the Father-John 14:9-11&John 17:20-23
@PrintOfLife To understand the scripture at Hebrews 1:3 you need to first understand the meaning of the word "representation" which you're obviously having trouble with.
According to the dictionary "representation" means "To look like or resemble" To stand in for something or someone, something that represents as an image or likeness of something, THE STATE OR CONDITION OF SERVING AS AN OFFICIAL DELEGATE, AGENT, OR SPOKESMAN. Please read John 7:28-29 this time with an open mind.
@tHeSiLvErHuNk As in my reply to PrintOfLife to understand Hebrews 1:3 you need to first understand what the word "representation" means. Notice my reply given to PrintOfLife as to what the dictionary states. According to Hebrews 3:1 and John 7:28,29 Jesus when he came to the earth was clearly not God Almighty but his Father's representative. Please read the full context John 10:31-37 the pharisees wrongly accused Jesus of claiming to be God but rather Jesus only claimed to be the Son of God.
King James Version (KJV) 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
@boriwepaa 1 Tim3:16 (KJV) "God was manifest in the flesh"? "God" was inserted in place of "He" in order to prove a 4th Century apostate doctrine that neither Jesus taught nor believed. The Emphatic Diaglott containing the Original Greek Text reads: "He who was manifested in the flesh"Therefore Bible Translations too numerous to list here render it the same as the Diaglott,Here's some American Standard, Common English, English Standard Version, Holman, JB Phillips, All NIV Translations &more.
@Mr66526652 "Jesus ONLY claimed to be the Son of God"
where did you get the word ONLY? You seem to add word thats not there & neglect the word thats in there like the word EXACT. Isaiah called JESUS "Mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6)the same way he called the God of Israel in the next chapter.
Thats interesting that you bend your knees to JESUS and yet you dont believed JESUS to be good and GOD. Obeisance? You sure dont know who you worship!
@PrintOfLife You are so used to taking scriptures out of context. You are now taking what I wrote out of context. I wrote regarding John 10:30-37 that the Pharisees wrongly accused Jesus of blasphemy claiming to be God and in reply Jesus said,"do you say to me whom the Father..dispatched into the world,'You blaspheme because I said, I am God's Son?" Therefore Jesus was not claiming to be Almighty God but only God's son. Besides the meaning of"representation" you don't know "obeisance&worship .
@PrintOfLife The dictionary defines "Worship" as an act of religious devotion usually directed to a diety. Worship comes from the word "worthiness" Only the Almighty God, the Father JEHOVAH is worthy of worship, as Jesus told Satan at Matthew 4:10(also read Rev.4:11) Obeisance is not worship, rather it expresses deep respect or deferential courtesy as before a superior, a bow, curtsy, or other similiar gesture. The nobles gave obeisance to the new King.Obeisance to a King is not same as worship.
@PrintOfLife No I don't believe Jesus to be good and Almighty God. That's because Jesus doesn't want me to believe that. Notice what he replied to someone who called him "Good Teacher"? "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered "No one is good----except God alone." Mark 10:18 NIV Translation. Yes, Jesus is a god or even a Mighty God but he is not The Almighty God who is his Father JEHOVAH (Psalms 83:18). Paul stated "there are many gods.. but to us there is.. only one God the Father."1 Cor.8:5&6
@Mr66526652 Are you telling me JESUS is NOT good because JESUS was worshipped & JESUS never rebuked them? I do believed JESUS is GOD & good but if you believe JESUS is NOT GOD then you believed JESUS is bad!Or if you say "JESUS is good but not GOD" the you are making JESUS a liar! Because JESUS said there is only one thats good & thats GOD! Youre horrible if you dont believe JESUS is not good & GOD!
Do you you preach people that anybody who think that JESUS is bad will go to hell?
@PrintOfLife Don't be so ridiculous! It's next to impossible to reason with you on what the scriptures say which you argue against. Jesus would not accept being called "Good Teacher" first off since Jesus was not seeking Glory for himself but directed all glory to his God and Father. He said "what I teach is not mine but belongs to him that sent me"-John 7:16 2ndly Jesus' God and Father ALONE is the Supreme God of Goodness.That's why Jesus said "No one is good---except God alone."
Nowhere did it says JESUS "Jesus would not accept being called "Good Teacher" "! You are LYING! JESUS asked the man so the man could think if JESUS is good then JESUS is GOD. Its written in Psalm 14. NOBODY is good! NO ONE - EXCEPT GOD!
@PrintOfLife Please give your head a really,really, good shake and then look up Mark 10:18 or better still I"ll type it directly from the NIV translation for you."Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."
Are you going to keep arguing against what God's word the Bible says??????
@Mr66526652 Just admit it. You dont want to answer if JESUS is good, because If you admit JESUS is good then JESUS IS GOD.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
@PrintOfLife I refuse to contradict what Jesus clearly stated in the scriptures at Mark 10:18.
Yes, Almighty God JEHOVAH the Father of his only-begotten Son Jesus whom he directly created FIRST then went on to create everything else THROUGH his Son Jesus. Colossians 1:15-18, John 1:1-3, Hebrews 1:1-3 thats what the Bible clearly states also read Prov.8:22-31, At Rev.4:11, JEHOVAH THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS WHICH INCLUDES JESUS is responsible for all creation therefore worthy of all worship.
@Mr66526652 "whom he directly created FIRST then went on to create everything else THROUGH his Son Jesus"
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old."
"He (BEHEMOTH) ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword."
The BIBLE didnt say JESUS was CREATED but GOD said BEHEMOTH rank first among GODs CREATIONS. If you say JESUS was CREATED then you made JESUS SECOND RATE class creation.
@PrintOfLife Jesus did help create. God made the blue prints and JEsus created with the help of his father. To be FIRSTBORN you have to be created. God in the bible states he has no begining and no ending. Now this may be hard for us to comprehend for everything we know has a begining. But GOd and Jesus are two diffenet spritual beings. For even Jesus said He is not above his father
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by MYSELF And spreading out the earth all ALONE,
GOD was alone when HE made the world. Theres no HELPER!
NOW, who is the CREATOR of the WORLD? And who is the REDEEMER?
@PrintOfLife You are no different than the pharisees "who strain the gnat, but gulp the camel." You have proved over and over again that you have absolutely no respect for God's word the Bible. The many, many,scriptures that prove beyond any doubt that Jesus is not almighty God but the direct creation of his Father and almighty God JEHOVAH that you absolutely refuse to acknowlege or accept(Psalms 83:18) Instead you argue against God's word and continually contradict it with No Truth,
@Mr66526652 "You are no different than the pharisees"
Me?You hold the same belief of those people who wants to stone JESUS because He being man claimed to be GOD! You dont believe JESUS when HE said the GOD of Israel is in HIM!
"you absolutely refuse to acknowlege or accept."
Really? What makes you think, what YOU believe is RIGHT? And Ill tell you mine, if you want.
@Mr66526652 "continually contradict it with No Truth"
i dont see contradiction. Its you who refused to answer a simple question if JESUS is good. Dont blame the BIBLE if you CANNOT understand it. My own understanding in the BIBLE arent mine. But the HOLY SPIRIT which JESUS promised to those who believed in HIM.
You probably dont understand it because YOU DO NOT believed in JESUS. So, you do not have the seal that helps to bring things to GODs remembrance and understanding. Do you?
@PrintOfLife God wasn't alone when he made the world. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." ...Did u notice the word 'us' there?
@INTILLEKMUSIC "God wasn't alone when he made the world."
Are you accusing GOD when HE said:
"Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
"Did u notice the word 'us' there?"
Yes. How couldnt I when I myself was made in the likeness of GOD? Do you understand 1Thes.5:23? What constitutes a man? My reply is written alone by me yet I am not alone.
The kings of the earth take their stand, and the rulers gather together against the LORD, and against His Christ. Acts.4:26 - Jesus is the Christ of the LORD!
Jesus said, what I teach(doctrine) is not mine, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16
THE LORD is Jehovah(Father). Jesus is the Christ of the LORD(Father)
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named(derived). Ephesians.3:14,15 - Everything comes from the Father!
@PrintOfLife This faulty reasoning...why do reason that it is meant that if Jesus is not God then he is bad? You need to understand that sometimes, words in the Bible are used in different senses. Good can be used loosely, but obviously for Jesus to say only God was good, he must have be talking about a higher meaning of the word. For example, when the bible calls the devil a god, it does not have the same weight as when Jehovah is called God, though the same word was used.
@PrintOfLife More insight into some of these words can he had if we research the root word. For example, different Greek words were translated as God in the bible. If u research u will notice that the greek word used when Jesus is called god in the Bible is 'theos', but when Jehovah is called God in the bible, the word used is either 'ton theon' or 'ho theos'. Why the difference? This is because 'ho theos' means 'The God' and 'theos' means 'a god'. The 'ho' there is very important.
@PrintOfLife Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " The same greek word translated as 'god' in the above scripture was translated as 'god' for Jesus. This not to say that Jesus is bad, it just shows that Jesus is not equal to Jehovah. As Jesus says here: John 14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
@tHeSiLvErHuNk To believe that Jesus is God because John 10:30 states: I and the Father are one" would also mean that Jesus followers are also part of the Trinity, since at John 17:20-22 Jesus prays to his God and Father that his followers may also all be one as they are one and as the "Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us." Just as Jesus' followers are no part of the Trinity neither is Jesus or his Father. At Matt.3:16,17 WHO'S VOICE CAME OUT OF HEAVEN AT JESUS BAPTISM?
@tHeSiLvErHuNk God with us. yes for Jesus spent so much time eons, with his father he reflected his father to the tee. So in this way it makes sense. if you way of thinking so much of the bible is wrong. For the head of Christ is God in 1 Cor. Jesus is the perfect reflection of his Father. think of it this way, Kids reflect there parents to be just like them in personallity as so forth right? same thing. for God would have to pregnant a woman to prove faithful to himself? nope
At John 1:1 there are two occurences of of the Greek noun the-os' (god). The first occurence refers to Almighty God the Father WITH whom the Word was ("and the Word [lo'gos] was with God. This first the-os' is preceded by the word ton (the), a form of the Greek definite article that points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God the Father ("and the Word was with [the] God") In the case of THE 2ND the-os' there is no article(the) before it, so would literally read "god was the Word."
Apostle Paul stated that there are many gods and many lords but to us there is only ONE GOD THE FATHER(1Cor.8:5,6) When we analyse John 1:1, we must ask ourselves, does the interpretation harmonize with the consistent teaching of the entire Bible-that God the Father JEHOVAH ALONE is supreme?(Psalms 83:18) For this reason there are many Bible Translations that state"a god was the Word"," the Word was a divine being,""a divine kind was the Word" "godlike kind was the Logos" "The Word was a god."
@Mr66526652 the word was God.. that is another thing witness like to change from the bible. yes there are different translations bit not adding or taking words out of the greek
@boriwepaa The reason we analyze "Greek words" and their meaning is because the new Testament was originally written in Greek. At John 1:1 the Greek word for god is "The-os'", it occurs twice in this same verse, the first "The-os" has a definite article before it "Ton" which is the Greek word for"The" so therefore it translates as "THE GOD" which is the supreme God & Father JEHOVAH The 2nd "Theos" or god DOES NOT HAVE "The" before it. literally reads "god was the word". 1 Cor.8:5,6
King James Version John 1:1 reads:"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God." Does this mean the Word who came to the earth as Jesus Christ was Almighty God himself? The CONTEXT lays the groundwork for accurate understanding. The first clause states "The Word was WITH God. Someone who is "WITH" another person cannot be the same person. If we were to interpret that the Word is The Almighty God,then this verse contradicts itself and the rest of the scriptures.
@Mr66526652 that is the point that is the trinity three person one being my friend.. he is the almighty God there is only one God not 3 Gods one God in three persons there is nothing in creating like it. look at genesis 1:26 2 And God said, Let us make man in our image.. note let us
All you have is speculation at best!! There is no mention in the Bible of GOD being 3 different persons!! Plus, the Jews had no concept of a triune GOD!! No one thought that Almighty GOD is 3 persons!!
The doctrine of the trinity wasn't established until the 4th century, hundreds of years after Jesus' death!!
@epic103 gen is not the only place you can find it there are many verses that show Jesus is God that witness ignore like ..john 20:28 "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" but yet God tells us on Isaiah 44:6 – "There is no God Beside Me"
According to Jesus, the ONE TRUE GOD is the Father(Jehovah). He is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. Psalm.83:18
Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matt.11:25
@PrintOfLife Yes out of obeisance not out of worship which only belongs to God the Father JEHOVAH. As Jesus adamantly told Satan " It is to God(JEHOVAH) ALONE YOU MUST WORSHIP AND TO HIM ALONE YOU MUST RENDER SACRED SERVICE."Matt. 4:10. Note Jesus did not say "it is to me you must give worship."
@epic103 as you may know Jesus was 100% human, he need it to eat he got tired like he need it his father God like we do why? he was human.. now he also was divine he came from heaven and always been with the father he share the glory with his father but God say he dos not share his glory with no one Isaiah 42:8 also for you to understand what happen you need to reed Phil.2:6-9
@epic103 Phil.2:6-9 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
GOD highly exalted him(Jesus), and gave to him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of GOD the Father. Phil.2:9-11
But to us there is but one GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1Cor.8:6
@epic103 yes it is only one God who have reveal his nature to us it is clear on John 5:7 For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. what do you think john is talking about?
@epic103 So you know brother, on today's yahoo news, archaeologists have just discovered a tomb of the early christians dating back to before 70 A.D. and they found inscribed inside the tomb the words "divine Jehovah" and also referrence to awaiting resurrection from the tomb. Read it on yahoo.
@epic103 i did answered the question it is found on Phil.2:6-9 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
@epic103 One of the most common errors that non-Christian cults make is not understanding the two natures of Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. They repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try and set them against scripture showing that Jesus is also divine.
@boriwepaa The problem with Trinitarians is that they totally disregard who The Almighty God & Father JEHOVAH is.(Psalms 83:18,Rev 4:11, Exodus 6:3) & ignore the words of God's son Jesus where he said in prayer to his God and Father JEHOVAH "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. They also ignore the scripture written long after Jesus was back in heaven that the head of the Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3
@Mr66526652 this his what you are doing you focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. you repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try and set them against scripture showing that Jesus is also divine. we know he was a man we know he was like one of us but how about is divine nature why the worship him why was he call God? you focus more on his human nature then on his divine nature
@Mr66526652 just a simple question for you my friend. on john 1 did john call jesus God or he is like God or what ever witness believe in wish is he is god. and on john 1:17 he is call God john 1:18
@boriwepaa The Apostle Paul stated "There are many gods and many lords, but to us there is actually ONE GOD THE FATHER"(JEHOVAH).Psalms 83:18, Please read 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 Yes Jesus is a god but NOT THE ALMIGHTY GOD JEHOVAH, Jesus' own God and Father.(please read Eph.1:3,17, 2Cor 1:3, 1Peter 1:3, John 20:17, Rev.3:14) HOW MANY MORE SCRIPTURES DO YOU NEED, BEFORE YOUR HEART ALLOWS SATAN TO TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF IN ORDER TO ACCEPTJESUS' OWN GOD AND FATHER JEHOVAH THE ALMIGHTY GOD?
@Mr66526652 when the bible say that Jesus is the one and only son of man that does that mean to you? and when he is call God? where in the bible say he is created like all of us? or that he is the angel Michael? you like talking about the trinity but yet no where in the bible say he is an angel.....but yet he is called my Lord and my God John 20:28
Like i said you guys ignore the divine nature of Jesus and cover it with the human nature
@boriwepaa Rev.3:14 states Jesus is "the beginning of the Creation by God" and also Colossians 1:15 which states about Jesus "He is the First Born of all Creation". Jesus was created! Why does Hebrews 1:4 say "Jesus became better or superior than the Angels"? Vs 9 says about Jesus "You loved righteousness..that is WHY GOD, YOUR GOD anointed you with oil of exultation more than your (angel) partners."? We acknowlege Jesus as a Mighty God-Isa9:6 but NOT THE Almighty God that you keep disregarding.
JESUS was never created. He is the firstborn (parents dont create kids) of all creation. If JESUS was ever created its like telling is JESUS IS A SECOND RATE CLASS creation since GOD said BEHEMOTH rank first among GODs creation!
Isaiah calls JESUS as "Mighty GOD" and he also called the GOD of Israel "Mighty GOD". You do not. ALMIGHTY? Theres only ONE GOD to us. Thats only means YOU HAVE TWO GODS. One is the mighty and the other one in the Almighty, right
@PrintOfLife Again ,you keep arguing and contradicting what the Bible clearly states, which is that Jesus was and is "the beginning of the Creation by God."-Rev.3:14 and Colossians 1:15 states "He is the First-born of All Creation"
The Apostle Paul stated "that there are many gods, but to us, there is actually ONE GOD THE FATHER-1Cor.8:5,6
Like Paul and 1st Century Christians we have ONLY One God the Father JEHOVAH THE MOST HIGH GOD Psalms 83:18, and acknowlege that Jesus is a mighty god .
@Mr66526652 Of course we only have ONE GOD THE FATHER! Isaiah called JESUS EVERLASTING FATHER. How many FATHER do you have? And you have two GODS! Thats not surprising because you deny JESUS as GOD.
"Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Theres the "apostates" thing. Do you even ask yourself if you belong to CHURCH of GOD?
@Mr66526652 i agree with you. there is so much proof in the bible . why would Jesus come to earth to proove himself faithful to himself. Jesus is a god but not God. even pharohs were called gods. thank you for your comments I appriciate them
That means that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself. Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself. God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself. God, while on earth, told his followers to pray for the coming of his father’s (his own) kingdom.
@shihtzufizzers Excellent logic!!! You just never know when someone with a functioning brain and the right heart who is searching for "The most high God" and really really wants to know Him reads the scriptures I have written and the sound reasoning logic you have written and finds the Truth about Almighty God's identity that the apostate doctrine of the Trinity and the removal of His personal name from the Bible has tried to cover up and hide by means of Satan blinding their minds,2Cor.4:4
When JW are lost with their so called "beliefs" they tend to counter attack with trinity doctrine. Theres no word "trinity" in the BIBLE. So you know, you cannot attack with the trinity.
Dont just talk to yourselves. Face me. Im more than willing to talk about your "truth".
Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself. Then he sat at his own right hand and waited til he placed his enemies as a footstool Finally with Satan's forces defeated God would turn his kingdom over to himselfThat all things would become everything to himself
@PrintOfLife The bible also called Satan a god my friend. There are many Gods but only one Almighty God (capital G). A god is someone with power, a ruler. For example..2 Corinthians 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. ...who is the 'god' referred to in that scripture.
@PrintOfLife Now consider this. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ...Now if Jesus is the only true God, why did the verse say 'the only true God AND Jesus Christ'?
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you the only true, God and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
"We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
"No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."
I'll try again, according to Jesus who is the only true GOD?? What GOD did Jesus worship and serve?? In other words, who did Jesus consider our GOD to be??
@epic103 God become flesh and empty him self of all glory to become one of us. 1 as human Jesus the one and only The only begotten Son of God the Father worship his Father as human need to do. 2 like the verses i told you he become a server of God the Father.. The most high is God the Father. like o told you the trinity is on being God in three distinct but co-equal persons. Jesus was 100% human and 100% God before becoming flesh in the earth he always been with the Father
@boriwepaa Please show us from God's word the Bible where it states that there are
Three distinct but co-equal persons to support "Trinity" which the word nor the concept also is not found anywhere in the Bible for the simple reason it was not invented until the 4th Century after Christ which the Encyclopedia Britanica factually confirms????
@Mr66526652 we can teach the trinity with out using the word trinity it is teach on the bible the nature of God it is just a term we use to try and describe his nature. just like you guys use the word millennium it is not in the bible but yet you guys use it to describe something......
@boriwepaa Nowhere in any translation in the bible does it make the statement "God became flesh". Rather, you have misinterpreted scripture, and you mislead others with your misinterpretations. As the scriptures state..Satan has truly blinded the minds of the unbelievers!!!
@badwingduck1 look my friend it is from the bible my friend i just give the verse 1 timothy 3:16 i do not add or take away i just quot from the bible that simple.. and please read from kJV because Jw have change some verses to accommodate there believes...
@boriwepaa IF... YOU REALLY WANT THE TRUTH. You will search for it by looking at more than just the King James Version of the Bible and look at other Translations besides and above all search out The Emphatic Diaglot containing THE ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT. Since this is going right to the SOURCE.(1Thess.5:21) That of course, IF you are an honest enough person at heart to accept the truth. Also IF ur honest you should start listening to your own mother who knows "The Only True God JEHOVAH"
@Mr66526652 You claim to quote strictly what it says in the bible do you? Then why is it that you teach major pagan teachings such as immortality of the soul when the bible makes a direct statement that says..The soul that is sinning, it itself will die..? If you do a google search on any of your doctrines, you will find information on each one that that both history and archaeology prove originate with paganism, idol worship, magic and satanism..incredilbe!!!
@Mr66526652 well i got news for you the JW have a geek and English translation that they have release and guess what even on there own Greek you find one word and in the English they translated different. I will get you the name of the book i happen to own one somewhere in my book collection so i will look for it, like i said i was a JW onces...
@boriwepaa You lied to me! you never said you were a Jehovah's Witness once. You told me you were never baptized and that just your mother was a Jehovah's Witness. I would not have waisted my time responding to any of your blogs if I knew you were a former witness. One thing for sure that apostates do really well and that is lying!!
@Mr66526652 I grow up been a Jehovah's witness seen i remember i always was one still i was like 27 that is why my mom is one she race me but it is true i have never been baptized but consider my self a JV on my younger but now i am 33 and i have been a christian for about 6 years now. so no i have not lie to no one
@boriwepaa I'm very sorry I called you a liar. In view of what you say that you were never baptized then you were not a dedicated Jehovah's Witness and therefore I have no problem communicating with you. Is your mother still alive?
i have seen enough proof on this page to show , scripturally, that yes Jesus is the son of God. Otherwise , ones saying not are adding and justifiying it with there own addings to Gods word. REad through the comments , see for yourself. look at the list of why the triinity is so false. on God having to prove faithful to himself if he really inpregnated a woman with himeself. for the head of Christ is God too in 1 cor. it all there, just look for yourselfs
shihtzufizzers 2 days ago
@shihtzufizzers I am neither a trinitarian or a unitarian, I can see both sides of the argument. What do you think of this scripture? Isaiah 44:24 "This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?" Jehovah here seems to say that He did these things by himself, indeed he states "Who was with me" indicating of course that no one was with him?
starfillednights 2 days ago
Thank you intillekmusic
dcruz91706 2 days ago
not referring to the almighty.
When spoken in plural in Genesis it was cuz Jesus was already created and every thing else was created for him. So we don't wrorship Jesus but worship Jehovah and we go to the father by imitating and following Jesus example. It all makes perfect sense now. Satan tries really hard to make ppl worship anything or anyone including jesus just not the father Jehovah.
dcruz91706 2 days ago
I noticed how Satan is called a god... I believe the apostle Paul was called a god when he was bitten by a snake.. Moses was called a god.. I do recall Jehovah was the only one called the almighty and the creator of all even Jesus as mentioned in
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all creation;
So Jesus was created before the earth and everything else.. It makes sense.. Nothing contradicts this believe.. Jesus was called a god but not referring to the all might
dcruz91706 2 days ago
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GEOVA NON ESISTE, E IL GEOVISMO E' TUTTA OPERA DI SATANA per sviare le persone dalla VERA PAROLA DI DIO, il quale è DIO D'AMORE DI PERDONO E DI SALVEZZA. Al contrario, infatti, il culto per il fantoccio-geova ha l'unico scopo di annullare le persone alienandole dal mondo e di spaccare le famiglie. E' una "religione" totalmente distorta, alterata, inverosimile, contraddittoria, scopiazzata e modificata ad uso e consumo della diabolica organizzazione chiamata "Watchtower". Ma il male non vincerà !
Zollyan 2 days ago
And a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud: “This is my Son, the beloved; listen to him.” this is in Mark 9 :7 look at the end of the scripture. look at end ; God is saying this, this is my Son. not this is me here and down there. come on now, the bible has so many points showing that Jesus is Gods son. and this teaching harmonizes with the bible. for it the trinity did , you would have to throw out portions of the bible and 2 tim 3:16 would not be true
shihtzufizzers 3 days ago
@shihtzufizzers "And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM."
"That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."
Did you HEAR what the SON says? Or do you belong to those people who wants to stone JESUS being He a mere man claimed to be GOD?
PrintOfLife 2 days ago
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@PrintOfLife
Jesus never called himself the great "I AM." Jesus always proclaimed the Father as the only true GOD!!
Jesus said, what I teach(doctrine) is not mine, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16
In other words, his role is greater than that of Abraham!!
Jesus was trying to explain to them that he is in fact the Messiah sent to save them!! Meaning Jesus is the Christ, the One that GOD sent forth. John.17:3, John.7:28, John.8:42, John.7:16, John.5:24, Acts.13:23 etc...
epic103 2 days ago
If we lived when Jesus walked the earth & wanted to know who he was, about his disciples, what he taught,would we ask pharisees, and sadducees, or Judas a former apostle? Or would we find out directly from Jesus and his disciples about the teachings? Knowing the pharisees and Sadducees absolutely hated Jesus, and Judas was a thief and betrayer of his lord, would we listen to and believe what these said about Jesus? Not if we wanted honest, truthful answers. Same applies to Jehovah's Witnesses.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
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We must remember that the devil controls most of the world, by deceiving them to belive his lies. And since man is a fallen creature natuarly he inclines towards evil and sin.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. He who is of God have overcome satan.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
alexandrugriorescu 1 week ago
Regarding the faithful slave and the evil slave. It is the evil slave who speculated on the time of the masters arrival, for he says: "My master is delayed." Well if he thought the master delayed his arrival the evil slave must have speculated on the time of his arrival, getting it wrong of course. In contrast the faithful slave waits patiently, keeping watch because the master will arrive unannounced.
starfillednights 1 week ago
Jehovah's Witnesses base all their beliefs on God's word the Bible and uphold the Bible as their Supreme authority just as the 1st Century Christians to whom the apostle Paul wrote: "That is why we...thank God...because when you received God's word which you heard from us, you accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God, which is also at work in you believers."-1thess 2:13,read also 2tim.3:16,17. Jehovah's witnesses base all their answers from the Bible
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 I'm sure that most christian denominations base their teachings on the Bible. And they can all put forth arguments supporting their views, there are many winds of doctrine, but they are not important. Even Paul acknowledged "At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known. Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love." (1 Corinthians 13:12, 13)
starfillednights 1 week ago
If the GB of the JW's are really spirit directed they would have discerned from the scriptures that it does not belong to us to know the day or the hour, that they should not be uttering the sentence "the due time has approached" an identifying feature Jesus gave for true christians in order for them to know who to avoid!
starfillednights 1 week ago
My attacks are not against individual JW's who may or may not be decent people, I don't judge them. Any organisation which describes itself as the only means of salvation above Christ our leader is wrong, including the Roman Catholic organised religion.
starfillednights 1 week ago
@starfillednights May I ask, how is it that you are so familiar or at least claim to be so familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses and their beliefs? What is your religious background ?
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 I am a faded JW. I was quite young when I was baptised and I remember there being an awful lot of pressure on young ones at the time to get baptised. Everyone kept asking "when are you getting baptised" and then the blank stares when you had no response. As I grew older in years I began to ask deeper questions and was no longer satisfied with Watchtower explanations. I do not disagree with everything though, there is still some common ground.
starfillednights 1 week ago
@starfillednights ~ 2B or NOT 2B is the ONLY QUESTION! It's Called FAITH period! Jesus Paid the whole DEBT thru the Simple Gospel..... Not of Works lest ANY man should BOAST! :)
SuperWilliam2424 1 week ago
@SuperWilliam2424 Agreed!
starfillednights 1 week ago
@starfillednights :) :) :) Brevity!
SuperWilliam2424 1 week ago
@SuperWilliam2424 Yes...faith is a very important factor..but take your bible and read James 2:26 "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD." Does this scripture not count because it doesn't fit in with your teachings?
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@badwingduck1 ~ It ain't My teachings!! The Word "FAITH"?? Wanna know what the Word Judging means?? Humans have "ZERO" ability to know if Someone is Going 2 Heaven or Hell?? The JUDGEMENT SEAT is CHRISTS ONLY! No way are YOU able to know if someone TRULY BELIEVES?? That's what James 2:26 is telling you? If someone is TRULY saved you can SEE it BY their "WORKS"? Get it? That's called FRUIT... Get it?? You'll know when someones SAVED but don't bother trying 2 Judge it ain't your JOB! :) Got Jesus?
SuperWilliam2424 1 week ago
@SuperWilliam2424 I take it that now you are going to contradict your statement before this one that we only need faith and as you stressed PERIOD and therefore come into agreement with what the scriptures state at James 2:26 that faith without works is dead???
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@badwingduck1 ~ This is my last Response 2 you! Faith Period! Once your TRULY "SAVED" & i know i am! Guess what?? The Holy Spirit INDWELLS in you! You'll TRULY know it! You are "CHANGED"! Debating with you will be an Exercise in Futility! Especially after i looked @ your Boob tube Channel! Your Probably a Paid Google troll! If you want my address i'll e-mail it 2 you! LoL! Got Jesus? Don't be Caught Dead without him! God Bless you! :)
SuperWilliam2424 1 week ago
@SuperWilliam2424 About the being saved??... A huge NO THANK YOU because I still have my abilities of reason and common sense. I'll let you know when I lose them and you can save me then.
badwingduck1 6 days ago
@badwingduck1 ~ Wing-Dong? I can't make Cents 4 you! I can only LEAD you 2 Christ because i don't have the ability 2 Save You Jesus Paid the Price Not me! :)
SuperWilliam2424 6 days ago
@SuperWilliam2424 Again...no thanks...don't need you to lead me because when a blind man leads a blind man...they both fall into the pit, and I can see my way along just fine.
badwingduck1 6 days ago
@SuperWilliam2424 Oh..and I did not judge anybody...I simply reminded you to read a certain scripture and asked if it doesn't count towards your teachings. If you feel judged after that, then perhaps you should reconsider what it is you are teaching because the bible does indeed judge us by contradicting wrongful teachings.
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@badwingduck1 ~ Wing "DONG" where did you Go?? Is your Boss gonna fire you for being a Dumb troll?? LOL!
SuperWilliam2424 6 days ago
@SuperWilliam2424 Best to ignore him. He definitely isn't a faithful JW who is sticking closely to the directives laid out by the so-called faithful slave in NY, if he was he wouldn't be posting here with his argumentative and judgemental spirit. But hey, that's JW's. It's why I have faded as I saw not the spirit of love amongst them. It is confirmed more and more as I read many of their posts on the web. They condemn others while failing to recognise the rafter in their own eye. Hypocrites.
starfillednights 6 days ago
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@badwingduck1 "read James 2:26 "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD." Does this scripture not count because it doesn't fit in with your teachings?"
"...When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit."Ep.1:13
We both believe in JESUS as the SON of GOD but I believe in JESUS & received the seal from GOD. If you have the seal of GOD show me the WORKS of YOUR SEAL/FAITH and I'll tell you the WORKS of MY SEAL/FAITH.
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@starfillednights in other words he is an apostate. speaking against the holy spirit. and God ppl. that all. there are scriptures in the bible that tell us what to look out for and what they will be doing . i can show them to you if interested
shihtzufizzers 2 days ago
@shihtzufizzers Sorry I don't follow you? Who is an apostate?
starfillednights 2 days ago
@starfillednights MR 66526652
shihtzufizzers 2 days ago
@Mr66526652 I have no problem with individual Jehovah's Witnesses, a few I still remain good friends with. I would just encourage any prospective member to do just as the Bereans. Fully research them and their beliefs before committing to becoming one. Many younger ones especially become baptised members without fully understanding certain teachings and when they progress spiritually as they grow in age become aware of other possible understandings from the scriptures.
starfillednights 1 week ago
Well I would prefer to stick with what Jehovah's Son said than a religious organisation which proclaims it itself is the means of salvation for mankind. They will be the ones weeping and gnashing their teeth for proclaiming false prophecies. You can follow that organisation if you like. My messages are for neutral ones who are looking for the truth in Christ Jesus, not for disfellowshipped JW's seeking reinstatement. Jesus' words are clear for all " Do not follow them."
starfillednights 1 week ago
Luke 21:8 "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them." True Christians today wait patiently for the master to arrive and do not proclaim 'The time is near' as do the JW's and others. True Christians do not say 'I am he' as if to say that they are the anointed and salvation is attained through them. Jesus is the Christ is the way the truth and the life, we are saved through faith in him. Ephesians 2:8,9.
starfillednights 1 week ago
@starfillednights Satan is not a little red man with a trident as the clergy of christendom have painted him up to be. He is a powerful, invisible and extremely intelligent creature..an angel gone bad so to speak..who is intent on misleading mankind from true worship. As the scriptures say..he is an angel of light who wishes to mislead all of mankind. Therefore, your attacks against Jehovah and his people are irrevelant and a facade...an expression of demons. What better way for Satan to
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@starfillednights mislead mankind than to use misinterpretation of scripture and smooth words from the bible itself? So continue with your gnashing of teeth, because the bible said that you would and it just strengthens my faith in my heavenly Father Jehovah!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
Yes satan is a powerful, invisible and extremely intelligent creature intent on misleading mankind from the truth. Somehow you extrapolate from this fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses are the sole channel of truth. It's a bit like saying 1+1=3.
starfillednights 1 week ago
In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA. There is no way that a tomb dated before 1278 C.E never mind 70 C.E could contain the name Jehovah. It more likely contained the four letter consonants of the Tetragrammaton. Hebrew had no "j" or "j" sound. But hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
starfillednights 1 week ago
@starfillednights The exact quote from Wynn Parry/live science.com under his article entitled Possible earliest evidence of Christianity resurrected from ancient tomb.
"One of the limestone ossuaries bears an inscription in Greek that includes a reference to "Divine Jehovah" raising someone up."
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 Most scholars believe "Jehovah" to be a late (ca. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).It was not the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Pentateuch (6th century BCE), at which time the most likely vocalization was Yahweh.
starfillednights 1 week ago
It is apparent that since it has now been proven that true early christians called God by his name Jehovah and that the bible says that he would chose from amongst the nations a people for his name, that this is an identifying mark of true christianity. Therefore true christians today would carry that name and use it extensively as the early christians obviously did.
badwingduck1 1 week ago
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It is extremely interesting to note that on today's Yahoo News, archaeologists have just discovered a tomb of early christians dating before 70 A.D. inside which they found the words "divine Jehovah", thus proving that the true early christians called God by his name..Jehovah! With whom does one immediately associate that name in our day??? Also referrence is found inside the tomb to awaiting a resurrection from the tomb, and who teaches that in our day? True Christians..that's who!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
It is extremely interesting to note that on today's Yahoo News, archaeologists have just discovered a tomb of early christians dating before 70 A.D. inside which they found the words "divine Jehovah", thus proving that the true early christians called God by his name..Jehovah! With whom does one immediately associate that name in our day??? Also referrence is found inside the tomb to awaiting a resurrection from the tomb, and who teaches that in our day? True Christians..that's who!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@badwingduck1 Thankyou for sharing this enlightening information. I looked it up my self on the internet and the article was written by Wynne Parry/ live science.com Feb.28/2012 entitled "Possible earliest evidence of Christianity Resurrected from ancient Tomb. The exact quote is "One of the limestone ossuaries bears an inscription in Greek that includes a reference to "Divine Jehovah" raising someone up." As Jesus said in prayer to his God&Father "I have made your name known to them" John 17:26
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 I appologize to you brother that I am currently in a disfellowshipped state, however I am scratching and clawing my way back to Jehovah. I have been in a huge battle with these apostates and also with the evil slave on here. Even friends who were involved in the drug trade have started trying to turn to God, some even trying to stop their former courses of conduct because they see me trying to turn my life around. I do not fear Satan or anything he can throw at me. I love Jehovah and
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 I love my former bros. and sisters, and I am determined. There is only Jehovah and no one else. In fact, no one and nothing else counts. I despise those ones who have sinned against Jehovah's spirit and I despise their mob mentality on these sites against Jehovah's people. I will most definitely give up my life if necessary for either Jehovah or his people without hesitation. There just is no one and nothing else worth living for!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 Agape love, and trust in Jehovah. He has the answers and when the time comes...He himself will fight for us just as He did for his covenant people, the early Israelites!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@badwingduck1 I don't directly respond to apostates knowingly no matter what if I know they are one.They fight and hate Jehovah God like Satan and the demons.To knowingly communicate with them is wrong. I only respond with persons that I believe are mislead due to false religious teachings. I recommend same. Many years ago I was once where you are. This scripture brought so much encouragement to me Joel 2:12-14..Keep clinging to Jehovah and never give up! Talk again when ur back
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 I will never stop clinging to or wanting Jehovah! I was simply trying to find more kingdom songs and information on Jehovah's organization on here, and I stumbled upon these sites. I recognized them for what they were..the evil slave class that Jesus spoke about in Mathew 14...my master has delayed..but I saw the dangers towards those who are honest of heart and truly want to serve their creator and perhaps are persons of goodwill or spiritually weak and I felt that I needed to make
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 a proper defense so that they are not easily mislead. I truly got to know how Jesus felt when he was accused and ridiculed by the Jews. However, what they are doing is a weeping and a gnashing of teeth as Jesus foretold that they would. Jehovah will judge them accordingly in his own due time for the bloodguilt that they bear in their own hands for those that they mislead away from the waters of life. Again..Agape love to you. Jehovah bless you with life everlasting in the new system.
badwingduck1 1 week ago
The head of the Christ is God.—1 Cor. 11:3.
How did Jesus feel about submitting to Jehovah’s headship and coming to earth? The Scriptures state: “Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death.”
TheButtascotchbro1 1 week ago
@TheButtascotchbro1 great point. now why have they not had a come back for this one? you know, if they really think Jesus in the all mighty God. So many scriputes would have to be wrong, like the one above. also they have no answer to 2 tim 2:16 then either. Yes Jehovah is God the all mighty and Jesus is is son. Why would God inpregnate many to prove himself faithful to himself? right?
shihtzufizzers 2 days ago
@shihtzufizzers Because 2+2 doesn't = 4 it's 22..many people don't have the basic formula or understanding of the equation of math let alone the bible and it words..Jesus said it himself the father is greater then i..not a part of me is greater them myself..
TheButtascotchbro1 2 days ago
(Phil. 2:5-8) At all times, Jesus humbly submitted to his Father’s will. He said: “I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 5:30) “I always do the things pleasing to [my Father],” he declared. (John 8:29) Toward the end of his life on earth, Jesus said in prayer to his Father: “I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.” (John 17:4) Evidently, Jesus had no problem with recognizing and accepting God’s headship over him.
TheButtascotchbro1 1 week ago
@TheButtascotchbro1 Thankyou in your excellent support of Bible truth that proves beyond any doubt that the doctrine of the Trinity is an apostate 4th Century doctrine invented under Satan's influence to hide the identity of the Most High God JEHOVAH.(Psalms 83:18)
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 I had several copy's and various one at that from different printer and from 15th century to now I have not found one that supports the lie.of the trinity..even the pope stated it's not a bible teaching
TheButtascotchbro1 1 week ago
The bible is man made evil, look at you pathetic lives arguing over distortion written by mans ego, fools, IN this day & age you people should be sent back to the 5th century so you can kill each other over a book, self righteous fools
sluggfish 1 week ago
@sluggfish The bible is not man made. if you look at history and understand the facts found you would see this. It takes time and intellegence and understanding but it is proovable. NOw for the killings in the dark ages, yes , wrong, but the ones killing were not men of God. they were horrible tyrants pretending to follow God. That is why the bible state that they were drunk on the blood of Gods ppl. nothing Christian about those murderers back then. But 1 group in the true ppl of God JW's
shihtzufizzers 2 days ago
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”
immanuel means "God with us"
tHeSiLvErHuNk 1 week ago
@tHeSiLvErHuNk Once again, in order for this scripture to fit in with the rest of the Bible it must be taken in the proper context. When Jesus came to the earth he was a REPRESENTATIVE of his God and Father JEHOVAH (please read John 7:28,29, John 1:14,18) As Hebrews 1:3 states "He(Jesus) is the exact REPRESENTATION OF HIS VERY BEING. Thats why he could say to Philip "If you"ve seen me, you've seen the Father." Jesus explains the meaning,he is in unity with the Father-John 14:9-11&John 17:20-23
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 "Hebrews 1:3 states "He(Jesus) is the EXACT REPRESENTATION of His very being."
Have you notice the word "EXACT"? JESUS is the EXACT REPRESENTATION of GODs BEING. Can you post where it says that JESUS was only a REPRESENTATIVE?
John 7:28-29 "...because I am from him..."
John 1:14-18 "...who is himself God..."
Above scriptures contains JESUS as GOD not representative.
PrintOfLife 1 week ago
@PrintOfLife To understand the scripture at Hebrews 1:3 you need to first understand the meaning of the word "representation" which you're obviously having trouble with.
According to the dictionary "representation" means "To look like or resemble" To stand in for something or someone, something that represents as an image or likeness of something, THE STATE OR CONDITION OF SERVING AS AN OFFICIAL DELEGATE, AGENT, OR SPOKESMAN. Please read John 7:28-29 this time with an open mind.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 He is not a representative oh friend. And you misinterpretated the Bible.
when Jesus said "I and the Father are one" didn't He just mean they are of one accord, they are merely like-minded?
and remember Jesus claimed to be God not a representative thats why the jews stoned Him for blasphemy. Please read John 10:31-33.
tHeSiLvErHuNk 1 week ago
@tHeSiLvErHuNk As in my reply to PrintOfLife to understand Hebrews 1:3 you need to first understand what the word "representation" means. Notice my reply given to PrintOfLife as to what the dictionary states. According to Hebrews 3:1 and John 7:28,29 Jesus when he came to the earth was clearly not God Almighty but his Father's representative. Please read the full context John 10:31-37 the pharisees wrongly accused Jesus of claiming to be God but rather Jesus only claimed to be the Son of God.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV) 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa 1 Tim3:16 (KJV) "God was manifest in the flesh"? "God" was inserted in place of "He" in order to prove a 4th Century apostate doctrine that neither Jesus taught nor believed. The Emphatic Diaglott containing the Original Greek Text reads: "He who was manifested in the flesh"Therefore Bible Translations too numerous to list here render it the same as the Diaglott,Here's some American Standard, Common English, English Standard Version, Holman, JB Phillips, All NIV Translations &more.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 "Jesus ONLY claimed to be the Son of God"
where did you get the word ONLY? You seem to add word thats not there & neglect the word thats in there like the word EXACT. Isaiah called JESUS "Mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6)the same way he called the God of Israel in the next chapter.
Thats interesting that you bend your knees to JESUS and yet you dont believed JESUS to be good and GOD. Obeisance? You sure dont know who you worship!
PrintOfLife 1 week ago
@PrintOfLife You are so used to taking scriptures out of context. You are now taking what I wrote out of context. I wrote regarding John 10:30-37 that the Pharisees wrongly accused Jesus of blasphemy claiming to be God and in reply Jesus said,"do you say to me whom the Father..dispatched into the world,'You blaspheme because I said, I am God's Son?" Therefore Jesus was not claiming to be Almighty God but only God's son. Besides the meaning of"representation" you don't know "obeisance&worship .
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@PrintOfLife The dictionary defines "Worship" as an act of religious devotion usually directed to a diety. Worship comes from the word "worthiness" Only the Almighty God, the Father JEHOVAH is worthy of worship, as Jesus told Satan at Matthew 4:10(also read Rev.4:11) Obeisance is not worship, rather it expresses deep respect or deferential courtesy as before a superior, a bow, curtsy, or other similiar gesture. The nobles gave obeisance to the new King.Obeisance to a King is not same as worship.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@PrintOfLife No I don't believe Jesus to be good and Almighty God. That's because Jesus doesn't want me to believe that. Notice what he replied to someone who called him "Good Teacher"? "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered "No one is good----except God alone." Mark 10:18 NIV Translation. Yes, Jesus is a god or even a Mighty God but he is not The Almighty God who is his Father JEHOVAH (Psalms 83:18). Paul stated "there are many gods.. but to us there is.. only one God the Father."1 Cor.8:5&6
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 Are you telling me JESUS is NOT good because JESUS was worshipped & JESUS never rebuked them? I do believed JESUS is GOD & good but if you believe JESUS is NOT GOD then you believed JESUS is bad!Or if you say "JESUS is good but not GOD" the you are making JESUS a liar! Because JESUS said there is only one thats good & thats GOD! Youre horrible if you dont believe JESUS is not good & GOD!
Do you you preach people that anybody who think that JESUS is bad will go to hell?
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife Don't be so ridiculous! It's next to impossible to reason with you on what the scriptures say which you argue against. Jesus would not accept being called "Good Teacher" first off since Jesus was not seeking Glory for himself but directed all glory to his God and Father. He said "what I teach is not mine but belongs to him that sent me"-John 7:16 2ndly Jesus' God and Father ALONE is the Supreme God of Goodness.That's why Jesus said "No one is good---except God alone."
Mr66526652 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 So, is JESUS good?
Nowhere did it says JESUS "Jesus would not accept being called "Good Teacher" "! You are LYING! JESUS asked the man so the man could think if JESUS is good then JESUS is GOD. Its written in Psalm 14. NOBODY is good! NO ONE - EXCEPT GOD!
Question: Is JESUS good?
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife Please give your head a really,really, good shake and then look up Mark 10:18 or better still I"ll type it directly from the NIV translation for you."Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."
Are you going to keep arguing against what God's word the Bible says??????
Mr66526652 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 Just admit it. You dont want to answer if JESUS is good, because If you admit JESUS is good then JESUS IS GOD.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Look!JESUS is the CREATOR!
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife I refuse to contradict what Jesus clearly stated in the scriptures at Mark 10:18.
Yes, Almighty God JEHOVAH the Father of his only-begotten Son Jesus whom he directly created FIRST then went on to create everything else THROUGH his Son Jesus. Colossians 1:15-18, John 1:1-3, Hebrews 1:1-3 thats what the Bible clearly states also read Prov.8:22-31, At Rev.4:11, JEHOVAH THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS WHICH INCLUDES JESUS is responsible for all creation therefore worthy of all worship.
Mr66526652 6 days ago
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@Mr66526652 "whom he directly created FIRST then went on to create everything else THROUGH his Son Jesus"
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old."
"He (BEHEMOTH) ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword."
The BIBLE didnt say JESUS was CREATED but GOD said BEHEMOTH rank first among GODs CREATIONS. If you say JESUS was CREATED then you made JESUS SECOND RATE class creation.
Is JESUS created or NOT?
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife Jesus did help create. God made the blue prints and JEsus created with the help of his father. To be FIRSTBORN you have to be created. God in the bible states he has no begining and no ending. Now this may be hard for us to comprehend for everything we know has a begining. But GOd and Jesus are two diffenet spritual beings. For even Jesus said He is not above his father
shihtzufizzers 6 days ago
@shihtzufizzers "Jesus did help create."
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by MYSELF And spreading out the earth all ALONE,
GOD was alone when HE made the world. Theres no HELPER!
NOW, who is the CREATOR of the WORLD? And who is the REDEEMER?
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife You are no different than the pharisees "who strain the gnat, but gulp the camel." You have proved over and over again that you have absolutely no respect for God's word the Bible. The many, many,scriptures that prove beyond any doubt that Jesus is not almighty God but the direct creation of his Father and almighty God JEHOVAH that you absolutely refuse to acknowlege or accept(Psalms 83:18) Instead you argue against God's word and continually contradict it with No Truth,
&NO logic.
Mr66526652 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 "You are no different than the pharisees"
Me?You hold the same belief of those people who wants to stone JESUS because He being man claimed to be GOD! You dont believe JESUS when HE said the GOD of Israel is in HIM!
"you absolutely refuse to acknowlege or accept."
Really? What makes you think, what YOU believe is RIGHT? And Ill tell you mine, if you want.
PrintOfLife 5 days ago
@Mr66526652 "continually contradict it with No Truth"
i dont see contradiction. Its you who refused to answer a simple question if JESUS is good. Dont blame the BIBLE if you CANNOT understand it. My own understanding in the BIBLE arent mine. But the HOLY SPIRIT which JESUS promised to those who believed in HIM.
You probably dont understand it because YOU DO NOT believed in JESUS. So, you do not have the seal that helps to bring things to GODs remembrance and understanding. Do you?
PrintOfLife 5 days ago
@PrintOfLife The father's name is Jehovah. The sons name is Jesus. Its as simple as that. :)
dastello445 3 days ago
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@dastello445 "The father's name is Jehovah. The sons name is Jesus. Its as simple as that."
Yeah! its very simple. The BIBLE is very clear.
"And there is salvation in NO ONE ELSE; for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be SAVED."
"that at the NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,"
Agree?
PrintOfLife 3 days ago
@PrintOfLife God wasn't alone when he made the world. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." ...Did u notice the word 'us' there?
INTILLEKMUSIC 2 days ago
@INTILLEKMUSIC "God wasn't alone when he made the world."
Are you accusing GOD when HE said:
"Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
"Did u notice the word 'us' there?"
Yes. How couldnt I when I myself was made in the likeness of GOD? Do you understand 1Thes.5:23? What constitutes a man? My reply is written alone by me yet I am not alone.
PrintOfLife 11 hours ago
@PrintOfLife
The kings of the earth take their stand, and the rulers gather together against the LORD, and against His Christ. Acts.4:26 - Jesus is the Christ of the LORD!
Jesus said, what I teach(doctrine) is not mine, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16
THE LORD is Jehovah(Father). Jesus is the Christ of the LORD(Father)
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named(derived). Ephesians.3:14,15 - Everything comes from the Father!
epic103 5 days ago
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@epic103 "Jesus said, what I teach(doctrine) is not mine, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16"
The Messiah must be from DAVIDs seed. Meaning human. And that is JESUS! I never deny that JESUS is a man. But JESUS is also fully MAN and fully GOD!
So do you bend you knees to JESUS? and why?
"that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."
PrintOfLife 5 days ago
@Mr66526652 no use arguing with ones twisting the bible dear.
shihtzufizzers 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife This faulty reasoning...why do reason that it is meant that if Jesus is not God then he is bad? You need to understand that sometimes, words in the Bible are used in different senses. Good can be used loosely, but obviously for Jesus to say only God was good, he must have be talking about a higher meaning of the word. For example, when the bible calls the devil a god, it does not have the same weight as when Jehovah is called God, though the same word was used.
INTILLEKMUSIC 2 days ago
@PrintOfLife More insight into some of these words can he had if we research the root word. For example, different Greek words were translated as God in the bible. If u research u will notice that the greek word used when Jesus is called god in the Bible is 'theos', but when Jehovah is called God in the bible, the word used is either 'ton theon' or 'ho theos'. Why the difference? This is because 'ho theos' means 'The God' and 'theos' means 'a god'. The 'ho' there is very important.
INTILLEKMUSIC 2 days ago
@PrintOfLife Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " The same greek word translated as 'god' in the above scripture was translated as 'god' for Jesus. This not to say that Jesus is bad, it just shows that Jesus is not equal to Jehovah. As Jesus says here: John 14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
INTILLEKMUSIC 2 days ago
@tHeSiLvErHuNk To believe that Jesus is God because John 10:30 states: I and the Father are one" would also mean that Jesus followers are also part of the Trinity, since at John 17:20-22 Jesus prays to his God and Father that his followers may also all be one as they are one and as the "Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us." Just as Jesus' followers are no part of the Trinity neither is Jesus or his Father. At Matt.3:16,17 WHO'S VOICE CAME OUT OF HEAVEN AT JESUS BAPTISM?
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@tHeSiLvErHuNk God with us. yes for Jesus spent so much time eons, with his father he reflected his father to the tee. So in this way it makes sense. if you way of thinking so much of the bible is wrong. For the head of Christ is God in 1 Cor. Jesus is the perfect reflection of his Father. think of it this way, Kids reflect there parents to be just like them in personallity as so forth right? same thing. for God would have to pregnant a woman to prove faithful to himself? nope
shihtzufizzers 2 days ago
At John 1:1 there are two occurences of of the Greek noun the-os' (god). The first occurence refers to Almighty God the Father WITH whom the Word was ("and the Word [lo'gos] was with God. This first the-os' is preceded by the word ton (the), a form of the Greek definite article that points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God the Father ("and the Word was with [the] God") In the case of THE 2ND the-os' there is no article(the) before it, so would literally read "god was the Word."
Mr66526652 1 week ago
Apostle Paul stated that there are many gods and many lords but to us there is only ONE GOD THE FATHER(1Cor.8:5,6) When we analyse John 1:1, we must ask ourselves, does the interpretation harmonize with the consistent teaching of the entire Bible-that God the Father JEHOVAH ALONE is supreme?(Psalms 83:18) For this reason there are many Bible Translations that state"a god was the Word"," the Word was a divine being,""a divine kind was the Word" "godlike kind was the Logos" "The Word was a god."
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 the word was God.. that is another thing witness like to change from the bible. yes there are different translations bit not adding or taking words out of the greek
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa The reason we analyze "Greek words" and their meaning is because the new Testament was originally written in Greek. At John 1:1 the Greek word for god is "The-os'", it occurs twice in this same verse, the first "The-os" has a definite article before it "Ton" which is the Greek word for"The" so therefore it translates as "THE GOD" which is the supreme God & Father JEHOVAH The 2nd "Theos" or god DOES NOT HAVE "The" before it. literally reads "god was the word". 1 Cor.8:5,6
Mr66526652 1 week ago
King James Version John 1:1 reads:"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God." Does this mean the Word who came to the earth as Jesus Christ was Almighty God himself? The CONTEXT lays the groundwork for accurate understanding. The first clause states "The Word was WITH God. Someone who is "WITH" another person cannot be the same person. If we were to interpret that the Word is The Almighty God,then this verse contradicts itself and the rest of the scriptures.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 that is the point that is the trinity three person one being my friend.. he is the almighty God there is only one God not 3 Gods one God in three persons there is nothing in creating like it. look at genesis 1:26 2 And God said, Let us make man in our image.. note let us
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa
How does Gen.1:26 prove trinity???
All you have is speculation at best!! There is no mention in the Bible of GOD being 3 different persons!! Plus, the Jews had no concept of a triune GOD!! No one thought that Almighty GOD is 3 persons!!
The doctrine of the trinity wasn't established until the 4th century, hundreds of years after Jesus' death!!
epic103 1 week ago
@epic103 gen is not the only place you can find it there are many verses that show Jesus is God that witness ignore like ..john 20:28 "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" but yet God tells us on Isaiah 44:6 – "There is no God Beside Me"
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa
Wrong!!
According to Jesus, the ONE TRUE GOD is the Father(Jehovah). He is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. Psalm.83:18
Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matt.11:25
epic103 1 week ago
@epic103 You dont bow down or bend your knees to JESUS?
PrintOfLife 1 week ago
@PrintOfLife Yes out of obeisance not out of worship which only belongs to God the Father JEHOVAH. As Jesus adamantly told Satan " It is to God(JEHOVAH) ALONE YOU MUST WORSHIP AND TO HIM ALONE YOU MUST RENDER SACRED SERVICE."Matt. 4:10. Note Jesus did not say "it is to me you must give worship."
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@epic103 as you may know Jesus was 100% human, he need it to eat he got tired like he need it his father God like we do why? he was human.. now he also was divine he came from heaven and always been with the father he share the glory with his father but God say he dos not share his glory with no one Isaiah 42:8 also for you to understand what happen you need to reed Phil.2:6-9
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@epic103 Phil.2:6-9 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa
Who exalted Jesus???
GOD highly exalted him(Jesus), and gave to him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of GOD the Father. Phil.2:9-11
But to us there is but one GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1Cor.8:6
epic103 1 week ago
@epic103 yes it is only one God who have reveal his nature to us it is clear on John 5:7 For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. what do you think john is talking about?
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa
You never answered the questions?
Who exalted Jesus?? Who is the ONE GOD according to Jesus??
epic103 1 week ago
@epic103 So you know brother, on today's yahoo news, archaeologists have just discovered a tomb of the early christians dating back to before 70 A.D. and they found inscribed inside the tomb the words "divine Jehovah" and also referrence to awaiting resurrection from the tomb. Read it on yahoo.
badwingduck1 1 week ago
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@epic103 i did answered the question it is found on Phil.2:6-9 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@epic103 note Jesus who being in very nature God!
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@epic103 One of the most common errors that non-Christian cults make is not understanding the two natures of Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. They repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try and set them against scripture showing that Jesus is also divine.
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa The problem with Trinitarians is that they totally disregard who The Almighty God & Father JEHOVAH is.(Psalms 83:18,Rev 4:11, Exodus 6:3) & ignore the words of God's son Jesus where he said in prayer to his God and Father JEHOVAH "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. They also ignore the scripture written long after Jesus was back in heaven that the head of the Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3
Mr66526652 1 week ago
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@Mr66526652 this his what you are doing you focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. you repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try and set them against scripture showing that Jesus is also divine. we know he was a man we know he was like one of us but how about is divine nature why the worship him why was he call God? you focus more on his human nature then on his divine nature
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 just a simple question for you my friend. on john 1 did john call jesus God or he is like God or what ever witness believe in wish is he is god. and on john 1:17 he is call God john 1:18
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa The Apostle Paul stated "There are many gods and many lords, but to us there is actually ONE GOD THE FATHER"(JEHOVAH).Psalms 83:18, Please read 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 Yes Jesus is a god but NOT THE ALMIGHTY GOD JEHOVAH, Jesus' own God and Father.(please read Eph.1:3,17, 2Cor 1:3, 1Peter 1:3, John 20:17, Rev.3:14) HOW MANY MORE SCRIPTURES DO YOU NEED, BEFORE YOUR HEART ALLOWS SATAN TO TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF IN ORDER TO ACCEPTJESUS' OWN GOD AND FATHER JEHOVAH THE ALMIGHTY GOD?
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 when the bible say that Jesus is the one and only son of man that does that mean to you? and when he is call God? where in the bible say he is created like all of us? or that he is the angel Michael? you like talking about the trinity but yet no where in the bible say he is an angel.....but yet he is called my Lord and my God John 20:28
Like i said you guys ignore the divine nature of Jesus and cover it with the human nature
boriwepaa 6 days ago
@boriwepaa Rev.3:14 states Jesus is "the beginning of the Creation by God" and also Colossians 1:15 which states about Jesus "He is the First Born of all Creation". Jesus was created! Why does Hebrews 1:4 say "Jesus became better or superior than the Angels"? Vs 9 says about Jesus "You loved righteousness..that is WHY GOD, YOUR GOD anointed you with oil of exultation more than your (angel) partners."? We acknowlege Jesus as a Mighty God-Isa9:6 but NOT THE Almighty God that you keep disregarding.
Mr66526652 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 "Jesus was created!"
JESUS was never created. He is the firstborn (parents dont create kids) of all creation. If JESUS was ever created its like telling is JESUS IS A SECOND RATE CLASS creation since GOD said BEHEMOTH rank first among GODs creation!
Isaiah calls JESUS as "Mighty GOD" and he also called the GOD of Israel "Mighty GOD". You do not. ALMIGHTY? Theres only ONE GOD to us. Thats only means YOU HAVE TWO GODS. One is the mighty and the other one in the Almighty, right
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife Again ,you keep arguing and contradicting what the Bible clearly states, which is that Jesus was and is "the beginning of the Creation by God."-Rev.3:14 and Colossians 1:15 states "He is the First-born of All Creation"
The Apostle Paul stated "that there are many gods, but to us, there is actually ONE GOD THE FATHER-1Cor.8:5,6
Like Paul and 1st Century Christians we have ONLY One God the Father JEHOVAH THE MOST HIGH GOD Psalms 83:18, and acknowlege that Jesus is a mighty god .
Mr66526652 6 days ago
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@Mr66526652 Of course we only have ONE GOD THE FATHER! Isaiah called JESUS EVERLASTING FATHER. How many FATHER do you have? And you have two GODS! Thats not surprising because you deny JESUS as GOD.
"Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Theres the "apostates" thing. Do you even ask yourself if you belong to CHURCH of GOD?
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 i agree with you. there is so much proof in the bible . why would Jesus come to earth to proove himself faithful to himself. Jesus is a god but not God. even pharohs were called gods. thank you for your comments I appriciate them
shihtzufizzers 6 days ago
That means that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself. Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself. God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself. God, while on earth, told his followers to pray for the coming of his father’s (his own) kingdom.
shihtzufizzers 6 days ago
@shihtzufizzers Excellent logic!!! You just never know when someone with a functioning brain and the right heart who is searching for "The most high God" and really really wants to know Him reads the scriptures I have written and the sound reasoning logic you have written and finds the Truth about Almighty God's identity that the apostate doctrine of the Trinity and the removal of His personal name from the Bible has tried to cover up and hide by means of Satan blinding their minds,2Cor.4:4
Mr66526652 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 "apostate doctrine of the Trinity"
When JW are lost with their so called "beliefs" they tend to counter attack with trinity doctrine. Theres no word "trinity" in the BIBLE. So you know, you cannot attack with the trinity.
Dont just talk to yourselves. Face me. Im more than willing to talk about your "truth".
Now, is JESUS created?
PrintOfLife 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife cont
Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself. Then he sat at his own right hand and waited til he placed his enemies as a footstool Finally with Satan's forces defeated God would turn his kingdom over to himselfThat all things would become everything to himself
shihtzufizzers 6 days ago
@PrintOfLife The bible also called Satan a god my friend. There are many Gods but only one Almighty God (capital G). A god is someone with power, a ruler. For example..2 Corinthians 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. ...who is the 'god' referred to in that scripture.
INTILLEKMUSIC 2 days ago
@INTILLEKMUSIC "There are many Gods but only one Almighty God (capital G)."
When JESUS Christ claimed He is Almighty GOD was it written lower case G or capital G?
I just wanna discuss people to HONOR JESUS CHRIST not any other.
PrintOfLife 11 hours ago
@PrintOfLife Now consider this. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ...Now if Jesus is the only true God, why did the verse say 'the only true God AND Jesus Christ'?
INTILLEKMUSIC 2 days ago
@INTILLEKMUSIC "Now consider this"
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you the only true, God and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
"We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
"No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."
JESUS as Messiah is a man.
PrintOfLife 10 hours ago
@boriwepaa
Again, you still haven't answered the question. You keep dodging the original issue, and that is, according to Jesus who is the ONE TRUE GOD??
In other words, what GOD did he serve?? What GOD did he worship?? What GOD did he pray to??
Who did Jesus consider to be the Most High GOD???
Lets see if you'll answer honestly??
epic103 1 week ago
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@epic103 "Jesus who is the ONE TRUE GOD?" The GOD of Israel which HE CLAIMED to be in HIM. "what GOD did he serve?
Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
"What GOD did he worship?" Jesus was worshipped several times. God said:"Let all God’s angels worship him.”
"Who did Jesus consider to be the Most High GOD?" HIS FATHER.
PrintOfLife 1 week ago
@PrintOfLife
That doesn't answer the question!!
I'll try again, according to Jesus who is the only true GOD?? What GOD did Jesus worship and serve?? In other words, who did Jesus consider our GOD to be??
epic103 1 week ago
@epic103 God become flesh and empty him self of all glory to become one of us. 1 as human Jesus the one and only The only begotten Son of God the Father worship his Father as human need to do. 2 like the verses i told you he become a server of God the Father.. The most high is God the Father. like o told you the trinity is on being God in three distinct but co-equal persons. Jesus was 100% human and 100% God before becoming flesh in the earth he always been with the Father
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa Please show us from God's word the Bible where it states that there are
Three distinct but co-equal persons to support "Trinity" which the word nor the concept also is not found anywhere in the Bible for the simple reason it was not invented until the 4th Century after Christ which the Encyclopedia Britanica factually confirms????
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 we can teach the trinity with out using the word trinity it is teach on the bible the nature of God it is just a term we use to try and describe his nature. just like you guys use the word millennium it is not in the bible but yet you guys use it to describe something......
boriwepaa 6 days ago
@boriwepaa
What's GOD the Father doing right now??
In other words, is the Father still the Most High??
epic103 6 days ago
@boriwepaa John wasn't talking here, since this scripture is spurious.
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 look my friend the bible our God become flesh meaning human 1 timothy 3 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels,Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa Nowhere in any translation in the bible does it make the statement "God became flesh". Rather, you have misinterpreted scripture, and you mislead others with your misinterpretations. As the scriptures state..Satan has truly blinded the minds of the unbelievers!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@boriwepaa Jehovah God is not a mystery..God is only a mystery to those who do not know him.
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@badwingduck1 look my friend it is from the bible my friend i just give the verse 1 timothy 3:16 i do not add or take away i just quot from the bible that simple.. and please read from kJV because Jw have change some verses to accommodate there believes...
boriwepaa 1 week ago
@boriwepaa IF... YOU REALLY WANT THE TRUTH. You will search for it by looking at more than just the King James Version of the Bible and look at other Translations besides and above all search out The Emphatic Diaglot containing THE ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT. Since this is going right to the SOURCE.(1Thess.5:21) That of course, IF you are an honest enough person at heart to accept the truth. Also IF ur honest you should start listening to your own mother who knows "The Only True God JEHOVAH"
Mr66526652 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 You claim to quote strictly what it says in the bible do you? Then why is it that you teach major pagan teachings such as immortality of the soul when the bible makes a direct statement that says..The soul that is sinning, it itself will die..? If you do a google search on any of your doctrines, you will find information on each one that that both history and archaeology prove originate with paganism, idol worship, magic and satanism..incredilbe!!!
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 Sorry brother, this was meant for boriwepaa. I'm sure he'll find it.
badwingduck1 1 week ago
@Mr66526652 well i got news for you the JW have a geek and English translation that they have release and guess what even on there own Greek you find one word and in the English they translated different. I will get you the name of the book i happen to own one somewhere in my book collection so i will look for it, like i said i was a JW onces...
boriwepaa 6 days ago
@boriwepaa You lied to me! you never said you were a Jehovah's Witness once. You told me you were never baptized and that just your mother was a Jehovah's Witness. I would not have waisted my time responding to any of your blogs if I knew you were a former witness. One thing for sure that apostates do really well and that is lying!!
Mr66526652 6 days ago
@Mr66526652 I grow up been a Jehovah's witness seen i remember i always was one still i was like 27 that is why my mom is one she race me but it is true i have never been baptized but consider my self a JV on my younger but now i am 33 and i have been a christian for about 6 years now. so no i have not lie to no one
boriwepaa 6 days ago
@boriwepaa I'm very sorry I called you a liar. In view of what you say that you were never baptized then you were not a dedicated Jehovah's Witness and therefore I have no problem communicating with you. Is your mother still alive?
Mr66526652 6 days ago