The Pledge of Allegiance: As It Should Be (Revised)

[sparkleplace]

you did it wrong it is i pledge allegiance to the flag of the unites states of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible for liberty and justince for all

[picassopainter2]

@sparkleplace The under god part was added during the Red Scare, also known as one of the most intolerant and authoritarian times in the nation's history. Also, the government is neither founded on, nor allowed to recognize, the Christian/Catholic religions. Our government is secular, and as a result have no business in religious affairs. You know where you can find such religious bullshit? The middle east...

[destroyedklkk]

goddamn ppl get off ur high horse and keep it as is political correctness is so bullshit like saying "not everyone believes in god" no shit sherlock cause everyone in america has a choice to be what they want to be now i am an agnostic i used to be a muslim but decided to leave that religion cause there was so much i didnt agree with but seriously just stop with this bullshit on youtube like your some dude whos gonna take the world by storm no! btw respect all religions even if you dont agree

[ilikezappa]

@destroyedklkk The penalty for leaving Islam is Death. How can you respect that if you entertain the idea of the liberty of an individual ? No , rather than respecting all religions ,we should make a clear distinction between the values we hold and values of Islam. There is too much ass kissing of Muslims ,just because they can`t take a fucking joke. I have nothing personal against you dude ,but I believe Islam to be a curse for humanity ,even more than Christianity is.

[ilikezappa]

Good to watch a video from a Patriot. Remember ,freedom isn`t free. Liberalism , Pluralism and Tolerance made America great. Let`s keep all three.

[ilikezappa]

PS , in my experience ( which is a lot because I am old) Christians don`t seem to be especially happy people.More like bitter , or in many cases, disturbed. If you prefer Noah`s Ark to science it sure makes a big statement about you. Oh , my 69 Impala also made America great,but I am keeping that for myself.

[RepentAmerica454]

@ilikezappa --Liberalism is a destroyer.

[ilikezappa]

@RepentAmerica454  No , you are thinking of USS Bainbridge . Liberalism is a political idea.

[RepentAmerica454]

@ilikezappa --And its evil.

[ilikezappa]

@RepentAmerica Says the loony Christian. 

[scouttroop291]

@ilikezappa sir

[ilikezappa]

@scouttroop291 yes ?  nice Lyle Lovett song BTW

[wiccanmoonman]

DEATH TO AMERICA!!! I'm an Desert Storm veteran and HATE what america has become. I'm moving to Canada because this shit hole is circling the drain.

[xKolenex]

"with liberty and justice to all"

I have an issue with that. I refuse to say the pledge until there IS liberty and justice for all.

[pjezierski]

And this is where I say..."fuck you!"

"I pledge allegiance, to the Flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty, and justice for all. I DARE you to try to come to 'try',to make me to change it. you will not win, but, die!

[ootdega]

@pjezierski

Lol. But religion doesn't cause violence or hatred or intolerance or anything, right?

[NUTCASE71733]

@pjezierski

Yeah nevermind the fact biblical literalists tried to use their faith to justify slavery, leading tot he civil war to begin with.

[crazziii]

The word equality was also in the original pledge.

[Toxicvisions95]

My teacher says that because I do not recite today's version, I'm un-American, but I will not recite or respect my country until things like this are changed. This country is supposed to be a role model for equality for other countries who have not yet taken the proper steps toward equality. All races and religions are equal, not a single one over the other. Percentages are nothing, as long as a group exists, their inheritance and beliefs deserve as much respect as the others.

[TheBlokin]

you are completely full of shit, ur so retarded its a wonder you even got on the internet in the first place lmao

[bridgetalaine7]

No matter your religion, save athiesm, there is usually a supreme being, or more commonly known "God". God is a factor that is similar in all religions; something higher than people that created the world. We are one nation, united by God, so I honestly don't think that phrase should be removed..and if you ARE an athiest, then just pay attention to the united part, because that is the part that really matters. Think of God as uniting all religions with the same idea.

[vihockeyguy1]

if it's your right to not say it then it's our right TO say it. Just don't say it if you don't want to

[vihockeyguy1]

just don't say under god. It's that easy

[doneidson]

If anyone does not want "Under God" in the pledge, just don't say it, but leave those two word in it. This is a nation that will not bow under the pressures of political correctness.

[M3hammerdown]

@doneidson would you be equally supportive if people in the fifties had changed the pledge to say "One nation, free from the delusion of god, indivisible......"?

[PatrioticEagle50]

@doneidson It is not political correctness, it is illegal for under god to be in the pledge. It is, by law, the official pledge of the united states government. They have guidlines on how you should behave. They cannot make you do those things by law, but them adding under god means that the fed. gov't recognises the existance of a deity, which is prohibited under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

[doneidson]

@PatrioticEagle50 Is it going to kill anyone to have that phrase in there? It never hurt me, or anyone else for that matter? If your're reciting it, just don't say those two words. No one's twisting you're arm. You have the freedom not to say them. I, along with millions of others, have the freedom to do so. If it's so "illegal", then I guess I'm a big threat to society -- a hardened criminal.

[lazmiigirl]

and i have flaged your vid for spam because i hate it

[arnold5240]

I refuse to perform this robotic saying upon demand because I am a Christian. It makes no difference if the words 'under God' are included or removed. As a Christian I am obedient only to God and not to any state. As the state reflects God I will obey the state. The degree to which the state refutes the Law of God I have made my allegiance quite clear as is the Bible quite clear on the responsibilities of a Christian.

[jeremyhall420]

@arnold5240 You truly are ignorant!

[biped19]

Be careful what you wish for, you might get the theocracy that you want. It will not be long before the government tell you what church is permissible to attend and which are not. One week it will be the protestants who are in control the next it will be the Jews or Muslims.

Btw, Christianity IS by design "socialist", so that argument comically falls apart. "Jesus was a capitalist." (laughing in your face.) Also, I'm not a "socialist." so don't go there.

[AlbaGoBragh]

The 1st Amendment never included freedom FROM religion and religion was never barred from the government.

The Jefferson quote was to not show any preference to one religion over another but he never excluded religion from the government. Jefferson, when vice president, arranged to have church services in Congress every Sunday morning. By the time Lincoln was president there were 4 denominations meeting in Congress.

BTW the Pledge was written by a Socialist.

[biped19]

@AlbaGoBragh

Jefferson and Lincoln had that right to worship, that does not mean the country IS christian. Religion is excluded from government, again stop listening to the kid touching multimillionaire preacher, and actually read the first amendment.

[AlbaGoBragh]

@biped19 "the kid touching multimillionaire preacher"??? I'm LDS. We don't have paid clergy at any level an our religion but this still offends me. There are a lot of really exceptional preachers, priests, etc who would never ever molest a child. Even of the preachers who are only in it for the money are rarely pedophiles. To impugn them all this way is very irresponsible.

[AlbaGoBragh]

@biped19 I never said we are a Christian nation but we cannot escape the fact that the principles and values this nation was founded on were taken directly from the Judeo/Christian ethic. All of our founders, even the Deists like Jefferson and Paine, were very knowledgeable of the Bible.

The very concept of freedom and individual liberty are taken from the Bible. It is why we have freedom OF religion but we were never given freedom FROM religion. You just need to be tolerant of religion.

[biped19]

@AlbaGoBragh

Negative. The founders and their ancestors came from a continent where the state and organized religion ruled & enslaved the population. So your comment is false. The principles you speak of are similar to the "sin" of slavery. The founders, as brilliant as they were, were still a product of their time, thus the appeasement slave ownership. Liberty and freedom and government structure are taken from experience, Greek philosophy and Roman governance, not from the bible.

[AlbaGoBragh]

@biped19 I agree with your last comment up until you throw the Bible out of the equation. Read their own words if you don't believe me.

Actually not all of the founders appeased slavery. John Adams and Benjamin Franklin vehemently opposed it. As did others.

They studied Rome but that is why they decided on a republic over a democracy. BTW we do not live in a democracy. Our natural law was derived from Mosaic and Anglo-Saxon pagan laws.

You got a lot of reading to do.

[Conservamerica]

WRONG!

[cj62392]

we shall fight on the seas and oceans,

we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our land, whatever the cost may be,

we shall fight on the beaches,

we shall fight on the landing grounds,

we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,

we shall fight in the hills;

we shall never surrender to the secular, leftist agenda

[cj62392]

If under God is ever taken out, I will scream at the top of my lungs "Under God!" after "...one nation" every time i say the pledge.

[cj62392]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

"In GOD we trust"

Presidents are sworn in with their hand on the bible

Dont you think all of these things are there for a reason? Whether you like it or not, this is a Christian nation. You can have freedom of religion, but you can't suppress the religion of the majority.

[InterntzTrollerinz]

@cj62392 It is also a white nation to. Niggers tring to take over.

[bridgetalaine7]

@cj62392 amen! if we leave it out, the athiests are happy and the christians out. leave it in, christians happy, athiests aren't. and there are more christians than athiests.

and needless to say, most other religions believe in a god in a way too.

[maxergud]

@bridgetalaine7 if it is removed EVERYONE is happy. You can praise Jeebus on your own time.

[bridgetalaine7]

@maxergud actually, no, many christians (along with other religions) (which is also most of the population) will NOT be happy. that's the way it was originally written. either way people are going to be upset. so why not keep it original, and the way it will please MOST people.

[maxergud]

@bridgetalaine7 The way it was orginally written was WITHOUT the god part. It should be changed back to that.

[wiccanmoonman]

@bridgetalaine7 It's not the original version moron under god was added in 1954 and needs to be removed. Separation between church and state.

[pjezierski]

@wiccanmoonman you need to be removed

[wiccanmoonman]

@pjezierski And you need to be shot in a shopping mall hehe

[BirdingCristina]

@bridgetalaine7

Why only atheists? I have asked people of other religions if they feel offended or ignored with the words "under God" in the pledge. Almost all said they were. The words "under God" clearly support a religious belief, as would the words "under Allah", "under Vishnu" or "under Zeus". America was not founded on Christianity, and its g'vment clearly separates Church from State. In America (and many other countries) people are free to believe in any god or none. Let's respect that.

[ootdega]

@bridgetalaine7

"leave it in, christians happy, athiests aren't. and there are more christians than athiests."

And there it is, folks. There it is.

[juiceisloose21]

@ootdega Doesn't matter, it goes against the First Amendment that states Congress cannot recognize a religion. Just because there are more Christians in this country than Atheists doesn't make this right. The government cannot make any reference of recognition of a religious deity or a religion. There. It. Is.

[ootdega]

@juiceisloose21

Gratz on missing my point.

[SoCalFlya]

This nation is not under god since we have no evidence of a creator. The phrase "under god" has the same meaning to me as "under Zeus!" It's completely bullshit that it was included in the first place in 1953! I am proud to say that I have never said the pledge of allegiance once formally in my life!!! Don't be fooled you religious nuts, many people around the world are awakening to the realization that you do not need a religion to make the same sorts of moral decisions a religious person makes

[PappaHobbit]

Sadly many of our brave men and women have given the ultimate sacrifice so that left wing communist leaning individuals like the ones that posted this have the right to express there opinions and twist facts to there benefit

[eveningstorm7]

@PappaHobbit AMEN brother.......

[Twiny6]

There is Freedom of Religion. But you HAVE to believe in GOD!!!

[redneck500]

OK, when people start wanting to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance it gives me the urge to want to pop them in the eye. Thats just me though.

[wyldchyld108]

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[zava55]

Now, if I make my own pledge and choose to say "under God", would anybody be offended?

You can say "under Optimus Prime" for all I care.

I'm sorry but it seems to me that there are far more important issues than arguing over things such as BC vs BCE, such as ending two wars that should be over.

To me, speaking for myself and not speaking about all atheists either, it almost seems like certain atheists treat atheism like a religion in the way it's preached on everyone else.

[Tinyoak2]

I am not christian and the words "Under God" do not offend me in anyway whatsoever, because I (persoanlly) believe God goes by many names but are all referring to the same Deity.It seems at least that Freedom of speech or anything else for that matter is only for Atheists....like I said it seems.If you dont want christians cramming their doctrine down your throat, afford them the same respect and dont cram your non beliefs down theirs...Simple.

[copycat042]

I would like to get rid of the pledge, because it was written by a communist.

[msolec2000]

Well, I agree with this video. I am not from the United States, but I respect all the countries. However, I'm also an atheist, and if I ever have to pledge allegiance, I'd like to have the option to do so without having to mention a God I don't believe in. I think maybe they should allow both versions ("one Nation indivisible..." and "one Nation under God, indivisible...").

That would (or should) make everyone happy. People who believe in God (which I also respect) can still mention him, and...

[msolec2000]

@msolec2000: ...and the people who don't don't need to.

[kb24crazylaker]

Go ahead and take God out of this country and watch the worlds once greatest nation fall apart and become nothing. The reason why we are the great nation we are is because we were founded on the one true God. You can already see it happening with Obama trying to turn this country to socialism.

[InterntzTrollerinz]

@kb24crazylaker God hates fags. America is doomed fear satan..

America is a fag nation.

[jacobew2000]

This video should now be destroyed because they just ruled The Pledge is constitutional! Oh well, back to our roots. And no, i dont mean that i support slavery as im sure Juan is eluding to.

[JuanPapaNicolao]

pretty soon its gonna be "I pledge allegiance to the New World Order of The United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stood ONE nation under GOD divisable with SLAVERY and INJUSTICE for ALL that reside in it".......................

[Nastenka93Republican]

And another thing, im in high school. and in our 3ed period is when we are all sappose to get up and say the pleged.. well there is 29 kids in my class, and im the only one that stands up and says the pledge loud and proud! It reall upsets me that people have no respect for this country to atleast stan up! theyll just sit there in there seats and text.. Show respect for your country assholes! Your just going to abandend your country when it needs you most?! you should be ashamed of yourselves!!!

[Nastenka93Republican]

The men who founded this country were God fearing people!. and everyone who worked so hard to make it great. This country got so stronge and powerful fast because of God! Now look, this Country is going in ditch, and how ironic that every year more and more people are loosinf their faith, and every year this country is getting wores off... maybe if more people said "in God we trust" we wouldnt be in this mess.

[ImaginarYxGoddesS]

I don't believe in God.

[InterntzTrollerinz]

@Nastenka93Republican Ya gonna ditch the first amendment that separates religion from state.

[playxhardx187]

im pretty sure the history books said that pilgrims came here for religious freedome

[xrader5]

I don't care what u believe of don't believe, or nation was founded on christian beliefs and that's how it should be. wheather you believe in God or not is your choice, but judgement day is coming and you will be accounted for the sins you comited

[KidVlogger317]

Nutcase. This country was founded under the belief of equality. The constitution even enforces the separation of church and state.

[Syrinx69]

Wrong, dumbass. This country was in no way founded on Christian beliefs, except for slavery, genocide and the oppression of women.

There is not a single Christian or Biblical principle in our Constitution or our laws. Our nation was founded on the secular ideals of The Enlightenment and Common Law, which dates back to the pagans and Rome.

[s4cministries]

There is coming a day where every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess INCLUDING YOU that Jesus Christ is Lord! Whether you like or not Jesus Christ is coming. Just like a scheduled train or plane. Just becuase the train or plane is late doesnt mean that they dont exist.... Repent or perish!

[aajoeyjo]

So much for Christian love...lol!

[Syrinx69]

No, there is a coming day when every fucking fruit loop religious nutcase like yourself will be extinct and the rest of us rational, intelligent folks can get on with progress and building a civilization without your bronze age idiocy mucking up the works.

[RussBearie]

Ps 14:1

[aajoeyjo]

If even a FOOL can figure it out, what's YOUR excuse?

[calismoonelf]

The point here isn't what the person believes or not. The point here is that a basic law was established that forbade the endorsement of religion by government. Matthew 22:21 says: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

I think we probably should decide if the flag belongs to Caesar or a deity.

[RussBearie]

You'll have bigger problems than this when you are kneeling before Him.

But you still have time to get it right.

Jn 3:16

[anthonzi]

And you Sir are a hopeless moron who will believe anything he reads in his special book. Would you like to read all the inane things that the Christian Bible has to say?

[RussBearie]

You STILL have time...

[anthonzi]

"I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior" OK am I in yet?

[RussBearie]

I am not your Judge.

But I know Him.

He is righteous and holy. He is perfect and powerful. He is infinite and incomprehensible. He is just and merciful.

And He loves you.

[anthonzi]

And you have yet to prove that he exists. Good luck man.

[RussBearie]

Friend, it has nothing to do with "luck."

I don't have to prove anything. His existence is demonstrated in His creation.

His love is demonstrated in His people.

The "spiritually dead" deny Him because they don't know Him. They are the ones who have a proof problem - Now & later on...

You may be spiritually dead. I don't know. If you are, then God is calling you. The phone is ringing off the hook.

Answer Him!

[Bf2009]

You dastardly fool!

It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence that is demonstrated by His Noodly creation. Your God is false!

He sent his only son, Tortellini, to Earth in order to sacrifice himself in the boiling cauldron to sate your hunger, and how do you thank His Noodlyness? You reject Him, and spread the lies of a false God!

I pray that you may one day be touched by His Noodly Appendage, and you will be enlightened.

RAmen.

[aajoeyjo]

That's pretty creepy...

[SecularUSGovernment]

...without going against their own religion or values.

[vegetalikessprinkles]

@SecularUSGovernment im going to be very frank here. america was founded on christian beliefs and morals. 86 percent of americans believe in god we should not be changing so much for the 14 percent who dont. atehists say chaneing is fairness. how is 86 percent of the country making changes for a bunch of whiny bitches fair?

[biped19]

@vegetalikessprinkles

NO it was not, or else the founders would have explicitly included "christian beliefs", whatever the hell that means, in any document. Period. Paragraph.

Fair!? We are a republic, not a direct democracy. You percentages are false. If it was the other way around it would be YOU, and your whiny kid touching religion, complaining about your rights.

[SecularUSGovernment]

The point is not whether I or anyone believes in God, it's Freedom of Religion. Only 78.4% of Americans are Christians, adding Jews and Muslims to that you get 80.7% who believe in the same God, the God referenced in the Pledge of Allegiance. The US Census Bureau estimates the population of the United States to be 304,059,724 as of last month. That means there are 58,683,527 United States citizens who do not believe in God. They love their country, and should be able to recite the Pledge...

[kb24crazylaker]

@SecularUSGovernment The Christian God (one and only true God) is not the same god as the muslims and jews. And if those 58,000 other people(Huge Minority) who do not believe in God want to say the pledge differently, let them. But don't try to change the way we as a country say it.

[lazmiigirl]

@SecularUSGovernment great great great point i am a religious person. i am a christian and i believe in GOD. When i say the pledge I am more or less saying a prayer to keep this nation under God. I say it in school everyday as an 8th grae at helfrich park middle school nd I believe I have a right t say i howeve I want as long as it desn't change the meaning. The "religous" way doesn't change the meaning and I am one of the people in that school of 530 kids that believe it when I say it so peace.

[emel703]

God is already mad at america and he is saying America should repent or he will allow terroist to destroy the nation so why would you even want to take God out atheists....Atheists are foolish because there is a God and you atheist really need to start going to church more often, you will see miracles happen there and testimonies of God

[ilililhy]

you can take the words out ,ONE NATION UNDER GOD .but you can not take GOD out of the country as long as their is even one praying christian left in this country .SORRY to tell you

[PhantomofFire]

God will not be taken out of this country.

Religion is an important aspect of our nation, however, there are many religions. And the Constitution is meant to protect that diversity.

[ilililhy]

so correct .the freedom to worship as you please even if you wish to worship SATAN and his demons . GOD is GOOD SATAN is BAD we all know what good and evil is. Heaven and Hell

[PhantomofFire]

I am an agnostic.

I neither claim to know of the existence of God or Lucifer, nor Heaven or Hell.

I live my life as a good person, and I'd suggest you do the same. On Sunday, instead of going to church and giving your money to a greedy pastor/priest, take a few homeless people out to lunch. That is what Jesus would have wanted. Not for you to sit in a church with your hypocritical neighbors and sing.

[ilililhy]

the bible says with the heart the mouth speaks.for with the same mouth comes cursings and blessings .how would you know what jesus wants, if you do not believe in him? and if you know jesus you will also know he died for are sins . and when asked how many times should we forgive those who trespass against us jesus said 70 times 70 . and the greatest commandment is ,love the lord with all thy heart and mind and all thy soul . than love thy neighbor as thy self

[sakar181]

Mathew 6:5

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. "

See, atheists can quote the bible too. Only difference is, I provide a source ;) And, curious... how do you know what "the greatest commandment is"? The first 3 "commandments" talk about god being vain. lmao

[emel703]

So you don't believe in God?

[kingkukung]

@PhantomofFire Yes and that's what we should do.. Help people who in need.

[gameplaya117]

@PhantomofFire Well said. All these people are god fearing. Why not be god loving? I think the idea of god was warped for personal gain at one point in time and now its a plague on society.

[DoomHippie]

Yeah, it's my personal belief that there should not be a pledge. If a government is truely just, then the politicians should pledge allegiance to the people.

[Tiatete]

All over the nation people have been going to fight in their country. By saying "one nation under god"*, It is refferring to everybody, as a whole nation, To get along and greive as one, for the men who have fought to help protect them.** If you do not agree with this, I don't mind. But please, message me if you have any other questions or comments. *=I only chose this piece as an example. **= This is just my opinion, as others. I am not making assumptions, so plz don't be offended.

[SecularUSGovernment]

Why can't it simply be 'One Nation'? As it was before Public Law 83-396, 83 H.J. Res. 243 (June 14, 1954).

There are young men and women fighting for this country - fighting for the values we hold (including freedom of and from religion) - who are not Christian; why must they be forced to hold their hand against their heart and recite a pledge which puts one belief above their own?

[Tiatete]

You know what, Whether it has "under god" or not, YOU have the right whether you want to say it or not. if you do not agree, do not recite it. Atheist means You have no belief in a god. I'm atheist, I respect others opinions.

[SecularUSGovernment]

That is the point! I want to be able to say the Pledge without being forced to accept a religion - something the Constitution guarantees I shouldn't be forced to do by law. The Pledge should be heard and recited by every single American with pride, no matter what religion they believe in. I want my children, and every child in America, to proudly state the Pledge of Allegiance without being subtly indoctrinated. By the way, why do you assume I'm an Atheist?

[ArboriusOwns]

What religion is being established by adding "under God" to the pledge?

[daganboy]

Just about every montheistic religion.

[ArboriusOwns]

So what you're saying is it doesn't establish one religion over another.

[daganboy]

It establishes several religions over all the other religions.

[ArboriusOwns]

All religion worships a God even evolutionist worship evolution  atheists worship their own intellect the pledge doesn't single out any group or disqualify any group from participation in patriotism.

[daganboy]

SEPARATE CHURCH AND STATE!

[ArboriusOwns]

Separation of church and state is a made up doctrine that has nothing to do with the constitution.

[daganboy]

"No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"

[ArboriusOwns]

Ok how does that right get infringed on by saying one nation under God?

[daganboy]

It doesn't; I was just stating a few examples of separation of church and state in our constitution.

[ArboriusOwns]

Separation of church and state is not in the constitution.

[daganboy]

It is, but not only there.

Let me share a few examples with you!

1."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."

[daganboy]

2.That there shall be no establishment of any one religious sect in this Province, in preference to another; and that no Protestant...

[daganboy]

inhabitant of this Colony shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil right, merely on account of his religious principles; but that all persons, professing a belief in the faith of any Protestant sect, who shall demean themselves peaceably under the government, as hereby established, shall be capable of being elected into any office of profit or trust, or being a member of either branch of the Legislature, and shall fully and freely...

[daganboy]

enjoy every privilege and immunity, enjoyed by others their fellow subjects"

[daganboy]

"All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

[daganboy]

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding...

[daganboy]

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

[daganboy]

I could go on and on and on.

[ArboriusOwns]

Like I said all views are welcome not excluded.

[daganboy]

The goverment has to be fair to every religion; saying "under god" is unfair and unequal to polytheistic and atheistic religions.

[ArboriusOwns]

Polytheistic and atheistic religions worship a god. Their putting science, evolution, big bang, or yourself as the god character. Thus they are included.

[ArboriusOwns]

Polytheistic religions worship many gods and the pledge states one nation if you believe in multiple gods then choose one or say gods

[daganboy]

But the official pledge does not say "gods" or "a god"; it says god.

[ArboriusOwns]

But you have the free exercise of religion so if you chose to say "gods" or "a god" that is up to you.

[daganboy]

But the goverment has no right to say it.

Only the people do.

[ArboriusOwns]

The Government has every right to say it as long as congress doesn't make laws to favor one religion over others. God is not a dirty word stop getting bent out of shape over a song.

[daganboy]

It favours monotheistic religions.

[ArboriusOwns]

Its a song get over it. Your entire argument is you favoring replacing God in the pledge with an atheistic view point so taking God out is the same as replacing God with Christ or Mohammad.

[SecularUSGovernment]

@ArboriusOwns

Congress DID make a law favoring Judeo-Christian beliefs when they added, via a law (Public Law 83-396, 83 H.J. Res. 243), the words "under God" to the official Pledge of Allegiance.

[ArboriusOwns]

God is no necessarily Judeo-Christian there are many other beliefs the worship a god

[SecularUSGovernment]

@ArboriusOwns

Other religions do have gods, but the God (with a capital G) mentioned in the Pledge is the Judeo-Christian God. Why didn't they add 'under God/Allah/Vishnu/Buddha/etc.'?

[ArboriusOwns]

Everyone uses a capital G when talking about the God they believe in. Its not a Judeo-Christian symbol.

[kingkukung]

@daganboy I think it said God..

[daganboy]

Science, evolution, and the big bang are not gods, they are beliefs.

[ArboriusOwns]

Anything you hold in such high regard is your god

[kingkukung]

@ArboriusOwns No, it is not.

[ArboriusOwns]

@kingkukung LOL What a comeback.

[Bf2009]

"atheistic religions"? "worship a god"? What planet are you from?

[ArboriusOwns]

God is the creator of all thinks if you are atheist you believe in a creator science evolution big bang.

[Bf2009]

No. Just no.

[daganboy]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

[daganboy]

Guess what? They are both from the fucking Constitution of the United States of America!

[ArboriusOwns]

I didn't say anything about those 2 comment I pointed out separation of church and state is not in the constitution. Congress has nothing to do with prayer in school or God in the pledge or on the money.

[daganboy]

Those exact words are not in the constitution; but the meaning is.

Got it?

[ArboriusOwns]

No the meaning is not in the constitution. The doctrine is made up. The first amendment protects your right to worship its not there to protect the government. The other mentioned quote protects you from being discriminated for your religious beliefs when applying for a government job clearly welcoming all religious views into the government.

[SecularUSGovernment]

You clearly have no understanding of Constitutional Law.

The quote, quite directly, says the Government "shall make no LAW respecting an establishment of religion." Hiring a government employee is not making law.

[ArboriusOwns]

That's my point. Congress can not establish a religion or prevent the free practice of religion.

[ArboriusOwns]

"or the free practice thereof;"

seems you're trying to infringe on peoples right to practice religion