Backdraft in Vermont

[MadMax2RoadWarrior]

and not a single fuck was given that day

[Mar1boroman69]

a flash over is when everything that is burning reaches to there ignition point and blows up...but in this case it was a backdraft and thats when theres little or no oxygen and when some brakes a window or opens a door the oxygen rushes in a feed the fire witch crates a backdraft

[LonelyoInezan901]

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[USMC3531tsd]

I'd rather be tooting my horn than SUCKING SOMEONE ELSE'S . You call me a "rookie" but that's clearly more than you because all you seem to be able to do is spout off shit from someone else's book and you're not even getting THAT shit accurate. I've proved you wrong and corrected your bullshit on 3 different videos and never do you came back with facts of your own, always "I read from Dodson's book". Reading and doing are not the same thing. If you were really what you say, you'd know that.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd I bet you are short too? Not quite 6 ft are you? I bet youre not even 5'8!

[USMC3531tsd]

@lug1< You seem to have some deep seated emotional issues there cupcake. Please don't stop, my cadets are LOVING this.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd So you like my sense of humor? The short thing came from a guy that I thought of after your last response. Then I looked at your profile and saw your rant about the quint running the red light. At any rate antagonizing is the WRONG thing to do. That doesn't really fit into my system of beliefs. Good luck on here finding people to criticize. I hope you manage to make a change in your life though. That will eat you up if you dont let it go.

[lug1]

went and read your comments on a lot of other posts. seems like that is your gig. hijacking comments posted and making negative and stupid remarks. i will not spend another minute jousting with you. and when i asked how long you been a fireman. i am guessing i accidentally spilled more water on fire than you every intentionally sprayed.

[boone1585]

this is a flashover not a backdraft.  backdrafts wouldnt be putting out this much smoke out of windows, this is showing the building has air going int oit

[USMC3531tsd]

@boone1585 I had a bonfire at the beach draft on me, you can have well ventilated building draft air into the fire. This was nowhere near a flashover because after the gulp of air the fucking fire went back to the way it was ans that's a low burn high soot fire . had this been a flash the fire would have has enough heat to keep going.

[lug1]

rollover before flashover. backdrafts generally do not breath a push this much smoke. flashovers can be very forcefull and appear to be a backdraft. after searching youtube i have found so far only about 2-3 real backdrafts. it could be possible that this thing drafted from an enclosed space inside the building and the whole building didnt backdraft. possible but from this short video it appears to be more of a rollover-flashover condition due to the smoke push.

[USMC3531tsd]

@lug1 < You need to lay off the Wikipedia. This was very much a backdraft. I've seen well ventilated fires draft air just like this one just did. Rollover-flashover...go to bed sweetheart.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd  how long you been a fireman? better yet ever attended dodsons smoke reading class. read all my post before you go mouthing. night night precious. sorry if you disagree but no need to go being disrespectful.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd looked up your profile says you are 31. like i thought, you are a probie, if you are even a fireman, which is highly speculative at best! get me a cup of coffee and go wash the rig, rookie. and you quit reading wikipedia and pick up a copy of Brannigans Safety and Survival on the Fireground.  again night night precious

[USMC3531tsd]

@lug1 < Started out as an explorer at 14, earned my CA-FF1A by age 17, Joined the Corp at 18, served in Afghanistan, Came home with injury and honor to a waiting crew at my current station and now serve as an instructor at both my local junior college and the Army National Guard. Nothing you can spout of will change any of that sweetpea. You have no clue what you're talking about so it's pointless to even try to explain fact to you.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd got get me another cup of coffee rookie. you would never pass the background in my dept with your cocky mouth. i respect knowledge and experience. you history of mouthyness on other posts and here suggest you talk it real good. a critic of everybody else. and you probably believe you dont make mistakes. and let me guess youre not scared of fire either?? just be respectful when correcting other guys and you wont get so much grief

[USMC3531tsd]

@lug1 <Over 17 years of diligent, loyal and faithful service to my country and her people hardly makes me a "rookie'' sugar lips.

You have no clue what you are talking about and proved so during a reply to my old account, "TubeSteakDynamo" (a Marine acronym based on my service title).

Take dodson's dick out of your mouth and get some REAL WORLD experience.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd Its my experience that those who have to tell people how great they are and their exploits are usually the talkers. The doers usually sit back and keep their mouth shut when it comes to tooting their own horn because experience has taught them that. You are a foul mouth punk. I am done with with you and your mouth rookie. Now shut up and let the men discuss the issues here.

[USMC3531tsd]

@lug Don't come in talking any more of your trash as the LAST thing you seem to be able to do is "sit back with your mouth shut". Not only do you have no clue what you're talking about, you also have zero clue as to what all the books you quote are talking about. From a statement you left on the Backdraft simulator vid I know for a fact you are not in any kind of service, because no firem'n in the world would make such a definitive declarative as you did regarding the topic. Go to bed princess.

[lug1]

@USMC3531tsd LOL at you. clueless

[lug1]

@lug1 You get a youtube account 3 weeks ago and finally find some way to spend your miserable lonely pathetic life, on here stabbing people in the back. did daddy not give you enough hugs when you were little? dude you need to grow up find something else to do beside search youtube hi and low to find places to comment negatively on other people. why dont you find videos where you can build people up and play nice?  that might actually be constructive. u are miserable and i feel sorry for u.

[lug1]

rollover is the fire literally rolling over like its boiling. flashover is when the temp is sufficient to ignite the surface area of everything occupying the room. this usually happens with force. backdraft which this does not appear to be is when the conditions are superheated deprived of oxygen and filled with dense hydrocarbon smoke. the oxygen is introduced sufficiently to cause an explosion=sonic wave=lots of force! usually characterized by at least some structural collapse.

[bkymic]

Wow, that smoke looks evil! Very freaky how the smoke is being pulled back down and into the structure, almost as if the video is being played backwards! Definitely a fire searching for oxygen.

[garf1eld029]

1998: I doubt what we know now they knew. Besides even when you "read" the smoke, it's hard to say something like THAT was going to happen, wow.

[SgtShnackendale]

buddy of mine got blown out of a third floor window by a backtrap door, he opened the door, air rushed into the room and ignited, followed by an explosion that threw him 30 feet from the building and 3 floors down. almost died the lucky bastard

[ncn8ochaser]

What the fuck?? Didn't they notice it "breathing"? Brown smoke, breathing... come on now.

[IonOtter]

BROWN SMOKE! BROWN SMOKE! $#!+ $#!+ $#!+ Anytime I see brown smoke, my shorts turn brown!  Jesus!

[leatherneck8541]

saw that one comin... hope everyone was ok though

[cammymcghee]

wer the fire fighters ok ??

[vcmovie1]

if only one firefighter had looked up then this had not happened.

Read the fire and smoke.

Best regards vcmovie. (the Netherlands).

[haaskyle04]

see how the smoke is being sucked back in and out like the building is breathing. .. major sign of a backdraft

[hebneh]

Why bystanders need to never get too close to any large fire. Even standing across the street, in this case, would've been extremely dangerous.

[SkullakaAce]

Sweet jesus! They okay now?

[HockeyMetalRPG]

@SkullakaAce Yeah they were ok. It was my fire department. St. Johnsbury FD.

[8firekid]

this happened in NY not VT

[RCFD86]

no it happened in st. johnsbury Vermont not New York

[Bl4ckSheep821]

rollover happens before flashover its when un burned fuel in smoke starts to ignite and you see flames flowing out of a room up against the ceiling

[gman3202]

@Bl4ckSheep821

Smoke is unburned fuel. AKA. Product of incomplete combustion

[Bl4ckSheep821]

@gman3202

thats what I meant just wrote it wrong thanks.

[sasquatchhunter2]

this video oughta be shown trainings around the world know ur signs guys.stay safe and remeber everyone goes home!!

[theone2225]

@sasquatchhunter2 we watched this video in my firefighter 1 class back in 06.

[sasquatchhunter2]

@theone2225 yea we've watched in many classes.good class to take is the art of reading smoke

[bed928]

smoke explosion

[Minnesotacrazy44]

no that is a rollover. a flash over is where everything in the room reaches its ignition temp at the same time and lights off. that is a situation that is not survivible.

[sledneckzl600]

wanna explain to me the differnace between flashover and rollover last i new they were the same and this has all the signs of backdraft

[AceTheLace]

something about the smoke rolling back into the opening kinda gives away the backdraft conditions...flashover is when the fire rolls over then ignites the smoke..am i right??

[gman3202]

@AceTheLace

Smoke explosion

[sledneckzl600]

where in vermont is this

[NJMSbabe2012]

omg. my dad was there it was a back draft. it was so scary.!

[1f5sda]

That must have been SCARY!

[VFireRescue2009]

That seems to be a backdraft, the characteristics are all right...in any case this just goes to show how dangerous the job can really be so stay safe and fight hard!

[xvxb4tm4nxvx]

ok bottom line...those of us who are actual firefighters know its a backdraft.....not a flashover...trust us so please those who dont fight fire or work with it please stop talking like you do...to my brother firefighters ...keep riding and stay safe

[vinto34]

you could see the smoke sucking in and out before it went.incredible

[2coolRyan]

WOW!!

[LTFRFireman]

Ok I'll bite. I don't think you can really tell whether it is a backdraft or a smoke explosion. As we all know, a backdraft is caused by a change in ventilation conditions (such as opening a door, which these fire crews may have done) and a smoke explosion occurs without the change in compartment conditions. It is clear that it wasn't a flashover though. You'll know that just by seeing one. Whatever it was, the conclusion remains the same. Wear all your PPE and stay safe.

[thejackasscrew]

wow im in training and I even know that it was purely a backdraft.

[CertifyThis]

epic backdraft. that was tezxtbook with the breathing the building was doing. smoke going in and out. in and out

[minneolaseminole]

"its accually not a back draft its a smoke explotion"

How the hell is that not a backdraft.. the smoke was breathing. Obvious signs of it. Maybe you should get on a dept that has any fucking clue what they are doing. Or go back to school and and learn how to spell.

[graciousSenor]

This video looks like it's in HDR.

[firefighting31]

its accually not a back draft its a smoke explotion and no body got hurt the ff's were to the side of the building with the attack line.

[2scrappy4u]

OH SHIT!!

[Martin716]

damn, did anyone get burned/wounded? that is a powerful phenomenon!

[HockeyMetalRPG]

no one was hurt. It was my fire department. St. Johnsbury FD. I was in the military at the time but we use it as training for the new guys.

[705west]

Under "more info" from postee it says 3 civillians, probably the ones who did,nt want to evacuate, died. Good thing you guys set up that 45 degree angle. Great video and a good read under info. Thanks.

[traumateam2]

Uhm.. what?

[SwanseaFire2050]

your a freakin idiot

[newmrmedicman]

Reading the info those people were crazy not wanting to evacuate, if a know that the smoke is coming from a fire not able to be handle by and extinguisher or something burning on the stove im going to leave what building im in.

[MarioAndrettiFan]

My God

[FDNY101202]

mine too...

[CJMarker70]

this isnt a backdraft this is a flashover. you can tell by reading that smoke. look how it just rolls out.

[FDNY101202]

the smokes changing colors you can see the yellowish color that signifies a backdraft and it looks like its breathing

[FDNY101202]

maybe a smoke explosion also. there wasnt really fire showing so its not a flashover.

[timmrln]

actually a smoke explosion is a kind of backdraft and in a flashover you cant always see the fire since theres so much fucking smoke!

[gotarheels50]

can you tell me how to tell the difference in flashover and backdraft and how to tell when there is high risk for one??? THANKS....

[wpenthouse]

Flashover is the point right after the growth stage of fire where the entire room contents is about to reach 1000F to 1500F at the same time. Backdraft is where the contents of the room are in the decay stage of fire starving for O2. The temp remains very hot and if O2 is introduced(like opening the door or window) it creates an exposion. Signs of potential backdraft include "living smoke", soot on the windows.

[gotarheels50]

thanks... i have found several def. now and this really helps

[BadVad53]

your forgeting about the part of flashover how super heated smoke and gases heat an area and then cause the entire area to start to combust..... but overall that was a perfect text book explaination you know your stuff to the T

[SJFD35]

ya buddy thats was no FLASHOVER it was A backdraft! i know a guy who said "the fire kissed me"

[billew0481]

Living smoke is when you see it going in and out like breathing, also yellow, or light color smoke is sometimes present in the living smoke.

[somerandomcrazy]

I saw that.. How essentially the Building seemed to be "breathing" smoke in and out.. Classic textbook Characteristic trait of a backdraft about to happen. Generally speaking I havent seen one yet that doesnt do this ( living smoke) somewhere. Not enough of the young guys ( and Im a young girl, but grew up around this) know to look or pay much attention.. Glad no FireFighters were injured.. I only wish people would get out when they are told.

[lordoflivernois]

Oh right im sure you've seen dozens of backdrafts since their so common.... they happen all the time right? Please..

[somerandomcrazy]

never said I did.. An Obvious Troll is obvious.

[thefirefighter]

if its very light grey smoke as well thats when u got one goin

[gotarheels50]

thanks

[CoxsackieFireman5102]

hahahaha wow......are you serious?

[engineco32]

It looks more like a smoke explosion then a backdraft to me but either way you can see the sucking and puffing which are huge signs for something is about to happen.

[FFk37]

Yeah you can see the signs of backdraft. Look at the yellow smoke and it keeps on getting sucked back in. I think they were all okay

[emtgregg]

I was a firefighter for 9 years. Never experienced a backdraft or a flashover 1st hand, but that has to be one of the biggest backdrafts I have ever seen on video.

[DannyPhantom3599]

Geez louise!! I watched this 4 or 5 times and it doesn't look like a "movie" backdraft, but whatever it was (and I have no knowledge on this subject at all), it was one scary event! :( I hope all the ff were okay!

~LauraG.~

[crackedlenz]

I agree it's not a backdraft in the classic sense, but to me it does look like the fire was starving for oxygen. Look at the smoke, as it belches out you can see it move back in as air is being sucked into the building. Does anyone know more about the actual situation? Did they break a window which caused the violent reaction.

[PepperAnne1025]

yea, i live in the town...my friends dad kicked the door in and then that happened...no firefighters died, but three people that lived in the apartments were killed.

[zack05446]

hey where was that fire in Vermont? I am a firefighter for Colchester Center

[PepperAnne1025]

Saint Johnsbury, VT. That is Railroad Street.

[samfisher20041]

holy shit! did everyone survive?

[firestorm0901]

HOLY SHIT if you weren't awake you sure are now

[Airlend]

i remember this. and i still live here

[Alcoholikaust]

I remember this

I was 17 at the time, and was drinking a 40 oz. under the portland street bridge at the time saying "what the fuck is happenin' over by the bookstore?"

little did we know that whole endblock would burn down-practically

[opt10opt]

LordOFLIVERNOIS is no bullshitter folks He or she does knows their stuff and if he or she is from Local 344 i can assure you he or she has felt more heat in 1 week than most of you have felt in your career.If you dont know 344 i suggest look it up. STAY SAFE IN THE D LORD!!

[lordoflivernois]

Thank you.... FYI (E34 Lords Of Livernois)

[opt10opt]

Staying safe In the D Engine 34? I hope all is well and hopefully that Sorryass ,Corrupt mayor will be removed.Yourself and all of Local 344 stay safe!

[lordoflivernois]

Trying to..... They arent makeing it easy..

Working 3,4,5, or even six good fires a day makes it difficult...

[carocaniac]

this why you were your P.P.E. around the "hot zone"!

[firemandago]

way to much 02 getting to the fire for a backdraft ... but its a pretty sic vid anyway

[lordoflivernois]

Not a backdraft, but one hell of an explosion

[laredo444]

go look up backdraft

[carocaniac]

some needs to attend a NFPA 1001 class, this is a classic example of backdraft, stop watching movies and educate yourself...

[lordoflivernois]

BACKDRAFT- a situation which can occur when fire is starved of O2; combustion CEASES but fuel gases and smoke remain at high temperature. IF O2 is reintroduced to the fire by opening a door or window, combustion can RESTART resulting in an explosive effect.

[lordoflivernois]

Mr "Firefighter" SECURITY OFFICER......

My helmet has felt more heat in one week than you will ever feel in your life!

Also, your profile indicates that you dont even know how to spell the very word that you profess to be a professional at....

[CoxsackieFireman5102]

thats a backdraft

[shootitifitmoves]

wow i lived in st j when it happened