I'm sorry that Christianity has hurt you. I'm not going to argue any more. Just know that I love you even if you think I'm everything you've claimed. I wish you well.
Also, know that my story is one of incredible healing and love. We could go back and forth for years with facts and arguments, but what remains unchanged is my simple claim that nothing has been so good in my life as my relationship with Christ.
Christianity and religion has done nothing to me as an individual other than offend my sense of respect for the human race collectively. It has however done much to the world in a profoundly negative manner.
I also feel that this argument needs to meets its end no progress is being made.
Know that you NEVER needed the healing you were told you did. Even if you did have ACTUAL problems earlier in your life. Any clergyman who told you otherwise is nothing but a criminal.
Okay, I think we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on some things here. I think our argument is becoming quite subjective.
I disagree that we are born unbroken. And I'm not claiming to be able to fix anyone. I'm just telling my story of what Jesus has done in my life. He has healed me in a lot of ways
I disagree that Jesus was not seen as divine in the first century by his followers. John 1, 1 cor 1 and 2, hebrews 1:2,3, & phil 2 show 3 first century church leaders Calling Christ God.
As for America's innovation, I am not arguing that America no longer innovates, rather that It used innovate much more and have a virtual monopoly over technology and culture in the western world. Equally, trends show that soon America will stop innovating altogether. The American educational system is tremendously lagging, and in the case of public education, appallingly poor. (The only exceptions being Public Specialized High Schools and Private Schools, as well as major Universities).
At the risk of sounding redundant, here I go again. NOBODY is 'broken' on the inside at birth. Humans are born WITHOUT problems -society gives them problems, both very real and completely imagined. Anybody who tells you that you are 'broken' and that they -and only they - may help 'fix' you is not only insulting but not working in your interests -rather theirs.
To answer your most recent question, my answer would be the latter. Jesus never did anything to me. Nothing. The people who claim he is the son of god and worship him, attributing superhuman feats to him, despite having arrived at that conclusion several centuries after his death have however proved to be a huge obstacle to western civilization let alone humankind in general.
But Jesus didn't come to tell people to be religious. He came and told them to love one another, love God, and he told us that we are broken on the inside, and we need his help to fix us. It is unfortunate that for many, Christianity has been relegated to the realm of "religion" because with Jesus, it was much more about love, and about a relationship than it was about religious duties, or "do's" and "don'ts" Are you offended by Jesus, or just by religious people who are often hypocrites?
I know lots of Christians are hypocrites... the ironic truth is that Jesus didn't even get along with religious people when he was on the earth. Religious people were the ones who killed Jesus, and Jesus flipped the tables of religious people and called them hypocrites.
I agree with you that religious causes all kinds of problems, even while it fixes others. Being religious isn't inherently helpful or harmful, and it can be very harmful
Secondly, you have forgotten that the birthrate in formerly staunchly Christian countries is on a severe decline - look at europe, where the birthrate is at approx. 1.3-1.4, insufficient to even sustain the population. Even in the US, the birthrate is on sharp decline, and analysts predict that the U.S. population will begin contracting -even with immigration- by around 2015. Around the same time it will be overtaken by constitutionally atheist china as the largest economy in the world.
I didn't forget that... that was my point. Europe is now the most atheist part of the word, and it also has the lowest birth rate.
Birthrates don't prove that religion is true or untrue... I'm just saying that religion will be around for a long time, like it or not.
I don't want to debate over this though, because it is a tangental issue.
I have a question for you. Are you opposed to all religion? If so, what about people who do good in the name of religion? e.g. Start an orphanage or hospital.
The only religions I can remotely tolerate are primarily eastern (i.e. Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism) although I do not believe in them. However , I feel that, by being religions, they intrinsically impede humanity.
As for orphanages and other welfare organizations (a solely christian phenomenon), I find that they are doing as much a disservice to the people they are 'saving' because they are misled. They
are offering people a way out of poverty provided they accept their belief system.
As for Europe, their collective GDP is higher than the U.S. at present. They are making considerable strides in medical technology through stem cell research that is mainly banned in the U.S. . Religion has ruined America's capacity to innovate in scientific fields. Religion will be around for a while. But not in the way you would like it. Christianity
is collapsing. However, if birthrates have anything to say, the Islamic population will DOUBLE in the next thirty years to 2.5 billion.
Besides, Atheist philanthropists (i.e. Bill Gates) contribute exponentially larger sums of capital to reputable, secular relief organizations than their religious counterparts.
"As of 2007 Bill and Melinda Gates were the second most generous philanthropists in America, having given over $28 billion to charity" -NY Times
$28 Billion. I doubt all the religious organizations in America have that much.
Before we continue, I think it might be good for us to introduce ourselves. My name is Gerin. I'm 22 years old and live in the USA. I got my degree in Economics.
What about you? And also, if you don't mind my asking... what brought you to your current resentment of religion? Did you have a particular bad experience?
My beliefs are completely unopposed to science. I believe that science is how God created the universe to run. God is outside of time and space, and creation is inside of time and space. Science is an attempt to discover how things inside time and space (things inside nature) work. Philosophy is our attempts to reason how things outside time and space work. And wisdom is God's self revelation of how he works.
Religion will never vanish. Atheists have a birth rate of 1.2 on average. Religious people have an average birthrate over 3.
And I agree that some religions, and even certain dogmatic veins of Christianity, are opposed to science, but I completely disagree with you that religion is itself opposed to science. My mother is a biochemist and a Christian. She graduated with a 4.0 from UCLA.
You have forgotten two things in your previous statement: firstly, the vast majority of the people who maintain religious beliefs are
neither regular attendees of religious conventions (i.e., church/mosque meetings, islamic daily prayer) and are not as fervent about their beliefs as they were half a century ago let alone a decade ago, and they are therefore susceptible to renouncing their beliefs.
Besides, modern science has proven that there is no tangible order and logic in the universe - i.e. quantum theory. Thats why Einstein's religious dogma impeded him from truly being the greatest scientist of the twentieth century. It also proved to be why Niels Bohr and the rest of the scientific community abandoned him.
If history has shown a trend, it is that with the education of the people comes increased secularity and eventually atheism. As ignorance vanishes so shall religion.
And Atheist thought has also saved countless lives. Science is intrinsically Atheist. If it weren't for medical science many more individuals would have died due to treatable diseases than those who have died due to radical political ideologies such as fascism. If you were true to your beliefs you would relinquish all the fruits of science you currently enjoy.
The very fact that you are communicating with me right now is oxymoronic.
Again, the few scientists who did profess deist belief did not associate themselves with mainstream religion. Consequently they were repressed and humanity's progress was stunted. Understand that if it were up to the leaders of western, specifically Christian and Islamic religion, there would be no science whatsoever. All free thinking would be repressed to keep people pig ignorant and abusable by the clergy. Whether you realize it or not, that is what you openly advocate and wish to promote.
And regarding your other points about the harm that religion causes, I want to say that I agree with you on about half of your points. I'm sorry that Christianity some times apposes scientific progress. Please don't overlook that ways it has helped that progress however. Read biographies of the greatest scientists in history, and you will find that many of them were aided and motivated by their believe that God created a rational and discoverable universe.
I agree with you that religion has caused all kinds of evil. Christianity has caused many evils itself, but the problem in those situations is not that people were being "too" christian. The problem is that they weren't being Christian enough. Jesus loved homosexuals, prostitutes, addicts, the sick, foreigners, and he told us (Christians) to do the same. He said we should even love enemies. Some people twist and distort Christianity, but please read the book of Luke to see what Jesus taught
First, If you want to have an intelligent discussion about religion, I don't mind that, but please use logical arguments rather than insults. I haven't, and won't insult you. You are a refined intellectual, so please speak like one. You say that religion denies people human dignity, but you have, by your words, again and again denied me basic human dignity. You have done more to denigrate me in 5 comments than I have ever done to denigrate woman or homosexuals.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." Einstein
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Einstein
Oh, and for the record - Stalin didn't kill 30 million of his own people because he was unreligious, he did it because he was completely insane. If anything he was quite theistic , after all, he was his own god. Moving on, don't believe that the world would be any better if religious zealots like the pope and radical islamists achieved power remotely near that of Stalin. Not only would many more be killed for equally superficial reasons - but those
Hitler killed 6 million jews, 3 million poles, 3 million russians and 8 million others.
Mao Zedong killed unknown tens of millions of chinese.
Pol Pot killed 2 million cambodians (20% of the population)
And Stalin being Stalin's own God doesn't make him a Theist. That's just a rhetorical argument. It's not logical.
I do agree that Stalin was crazy. I'm not saying that atheists killing more people makes them inherently wrong, but it does show that religion isn't the real problem. Evil is.
And again... just to be clear: I'm not saying Japan is any worse than America. Not at all. I'm just expressing my belief that people everywhere are broken. And I believe that Jesus came to fix our brokenness. I want people in Japan to know about the incredible things Jesus did out of love for them. So I'm not saying America needs to fix Japan. I'm saying God needs to fix America, and Japan too, and I believe that that's exactly why he sent Jesus. To save even people like me.
Be very clear - anybody who states that you need 'salvation' is not working in your best interests-rather theirs. Humans are born without problems- rather we are intrinsically conditioned by society, which feeds us lies remarkably similar to those you promulgate. In your terms - people 'break' people through their own stupidity and self interest. If you need 'salvation' from anything it is your gullibility in the face other's lies.
I also find your belief that 'god needs to fix the world' incredibly funny. Not only does it defy the inner logic (as if there were any) of your demented belief system (i.e., if god needs to fix it, he did not make it to begin with, didn't god make man (and therefore the world shaped by man) in his image?) , but it proves that you have been sufficiently brainwashed to remove any reasoning and logic from your thinking.
Before I continue... I want to humbly apologize to you. It seems clear to me that you have had some really bad experiences with people who claimed to be Christian. These were likely legitimately bad experiences, and I'm not denying that those people were wrong. I would say though, that however many intolerant Christians you have met, Jesus Christ was anything but intolerant. He spent time with and loved homosexuals, prostitutes, foreigners (even races that were despised in his day)
wow. That's really rude... I actually don't hate science or education at all. And if you think America is 96 percent Christians then you are very misinformed. In my city, less than 15 percent of people attend any church, and probably less than half of those are Christian churches. And don't forget that atheists systematically killed tens of millions of people in this 20th century. The problem isn't with Christians... it's with humans. We are all messed up.
Gerinteed, your message is very clear. Like all proselytizing, mentally ill christians, you are against education and the betterment of humankind. If it were up to you - and the clergy who have brainwashed you- the world would be remarkably similar to western europe in the middle ages. A true amish paradise. The irony of all of this is that, despite the fact that you are against science, education and a healthy society, you are the benefactor of scientific discoveries in your everyday life.
I find it extremely ironic that in the U.S., the country with the largest number of prison inmates on earth, 98% profess religious belief, and 96% percent of those 98% are christian. Atheists count for less than .2 % of the global prison inmate population. Japanese society is not fanatically obsessed with violence. (unlike the us). Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, and one of the highest life expectancies at present. It has an educational system that puts the U.S. to shame.
I'm sorry. I think you guys are misunderstanding the point of the video. It's not saying that there is a connection between suicide and education or Buddhism and it's not saying there is anything wrong with Japanese society. The facts you saw are all just little snippets that are meant to give viewers an emotional connection with Japan. It's not meant to say what is or isn't 'causal'. I'm not critiquing Japan. I'm just encouraging people to care about them. I won't apologize for that.
What does (the lack of) Christianity has to do with the Japanese suicide rate. Please prove the a causal relation between the two, or else this video is a fraud.
wow, so just because less then 1% are christians you want to go there JUST so you can MAKE then become christian. . . if they already have the choice and they dont take it then thats there choice dont force it apon them they have diffrent beleives in the world so u shouldnt force it on them thats just rude and disgraceful
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I'm sorry that Christianity has hurt you. I'm not going to argue any more. Just know that I love you even if you think I'm everything you've claimed. I wish you well.
Also, know that my story is one of incredible healing and love. We could go back and forth for years with facts and arguments, but what remains unchanged is my simple claim that nothing has been so good in my life as my relationship with Christ.
gerinteed 2 years ago
Christianity and religion has done nothing to me as an individual other than offend my sense of respect for the human race collectively. It has however done much to the world in a profoundly negative manner.
I also feel that this argument needs to meets its end no progress is being made.
Know that you NEVER needed the healing you were told you did. Even if you did have ACTUAL problems earlier in your life. Any clergyman who told you otherwise is nothing but a criminal.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Okay, I think we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on some things here. I think our argument is becoming quite subjective.
I disagree that we are born unbroken. And I'm not claiming to be able to fix anyone. I'm just telling my story of what Jesus has done in my life. He has healed me in a lot of ways
I disagree that Jesus was not seen as divine in the first century by his followers. John 1, 1 cor 1 and 2, hebrews 1:2,3, & phil 2 show 3 first century church leaders Calling Christ God.
gerinteed 2 years ago
As for America's innovation, I am not arguing that America no longer innovates, rather that It used innovate much more and have a virtual monopoly over technology and culture in the western world. Equally, trends show that soon America will stop innovating altogether. The American educational system is tremendously lagging, and in the case of public education, appallingly poor. (The only exceptions being Public Specialized High Schools and Private Schools, as well as major Universities).
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
At the risk of sounding redundant, here I go again. NOBODY is 'broken' on the inside at birth. Humans are born WITHOUT problems -society gives them problems, both very real and completely imagined. Anybody who tells you that you are 'broken' and that they -and only they - may help 'fix' you is not only insulting but not working in your interests -rather theirs.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
To answer your most recent question, my answer would be the latter. Jesus never did anything to me. Nothing. The people who claim he is the son of god and worship him, attributing superhuman feats to him, despite having arrived at that conclusion several centuries after his death have however proved to be a huge obstacle to western civilization let alone humankind in general.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
But Jesus didn't come to tell people to be religious. He came and told them to love one another, love God, and he told us that we are broken on the inside, and we need his help to fix us. It is unfortunate that for many, Christianity has been relegated to the realm of "religion" because with Jesus, it was much more about love, and about a relationship than it was about religious duties, or "do's" and "don'ts" Are you offended by Jesus, or just by religious people who are often hypocrites?
gerinteed 2 years ago
I know lots of Christians are hypocrites... the ironic truth is that Jesus didn't even get along with religious people when he was on the earth. Religious people were the ones who killed Jesus, and Jesus flipped the tables of religious people and called them hypocrites.
I agree with you that religious causes all kinds of problems, even while it fixes others. Being religious isn't inherently helpful or harmful, and it can be very harmful
gerinteed 2 years ago
And for the record, I would never argue that being an atheist makes a person give less.
I was only saying that many people are inspired by religious belief to be generous with their money, and I was asking if this still bothers you.
Seriously though, I really am curious why you dislike Christians so much? Did you have a particular bad experience?
gerinteed 2 years ago
Christian orphanages don't make anyone become a Christian to stay.
This is besides the point, but I'll tell you anyway:
Warren Buffet is agnostic and is too.
Bill Gates: "I dont know if theres a god or not, but I think religious principles are quite valid."
You are silly if you say that America doesn't innovate in science. We aren't the only ones innovating, but we definitely pull our fair share.
I think you want to bad to be right. Half your arguments aren't even true.
gerinteed 2 years ago
Needless to say, Warren Buffet is an open atheist and is donating 85% of his $40 billion to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.
Religious organizations cannot possibly hold even a candle to that scale of capital.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Secondly, you have forgotten that the birthrate in formerly staunchly Christian countries is on a severe decline - look at europe, where the birthrate is at approx. 1.3-1.4, insufficient to even sustain the population. Even in the US, the birthrate is on sharp decline, and analysts predict that the U.S. population will begin contracting -even with immigration- by around 2015. Around the same time it will be overtaken by constitutionally atheist china as the largest economy in the world.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
I didn't forget that... that was my point. Europe is now the most atheist part of the word, and it also has the lowest birth rate.
Birthrates don't prove that religion is true or untrue... I'm just saying that religion will be around for a long time, like it or not.
I don't want to debate over this though, because it is a tangental issue.
I have a question for you. Are you opposed to all religion? If so, what about people who do good in the name of religion? e.g. Start an orphanage or hospital.
gerinteed 2 years ago
The only religions I can remotely tolerate are primarily eastern (i.e. Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism) although I do not believe in them. However , I feel that, by being religions, they intrinsically impede humanity.
As for orphanages and other welfare organizations (a solely christian phenomenon), I find that they are doing as much a disservice to the people they are 'saving' because they are misled. They
are offering people a way out of poverty provided they accept their belief system.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
As for Europe, their collective GDP is higher than the U.S. at present. They are making considerable strides in medical technology through stem cell research that is mainly banned in the U.S. . Religion has ruined America's capacity to innovate in scientific fields. Religion will be around for a while. But not in the way you would like it. Christianity
is collapsing. However, if birthrates have anything to say, the Islamic population will DOUBLE in the next thirty years to 2.5 billion.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Besides, Atheist philanthropists (i.e. Bill Gates) contribute exponentially larger sums of capital to reputable, secular relief organizations than their religious counterparts.
"As of 2007 Bill and Melinda Gates were the second most generous philanthropists in America, having given over $28 billion to charity" -NY Times
$28 Billion. I doubt all the religious organizations in America have that much.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Before we continue, I think it might be good for us to introduce ourselves. My name is Gerin. I'm 22 years old and live in the USA. I got my degree in Economics.
What about you? And also, if you don't mind my asking... what brought you to your current resentment of religion? Did you have a particular bad experience?
gerinteed 2 years ago
My beliefs are completely unopposed to science. I believe that science is how God created the universe to run. God is outside of time and space, and creation is inside of time and space. Science is an attempt to discover how things inside time and space (things inside nature) work. Philosophy is our attempts to reason how things outside time and space work. And wisdom is God's self revelation of how he works.
gerinteed 2 years ago
Religion will never vanish. Atheists have a birth rate of 1.2 on average. Religious people have an average birthrate over 3.
And I agree that some religions, and even certain dogmatic veins of Christianity, are opposed to science, but I completely disagree with you that religion is itself opposed to science. My mother is a biochemist and a Christian. She graduated with a 4.0 from UCLA.
gerinteed 2 years ago
You have forgotten two things in your previous statement: firstly, the vast majority of the people who maintain religious beliefs are
neither regular attendees of religious conventions (i.e., church/mosque meetings, islamic daily prayer) and are not as fervent about their beliefs as they were half a century ago let alone a decade ago, and they are therefore susceptible to renouncing their beliefs.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Besides, modern science has proven that there is no tangible order and logic in the universe - i.e. quantum theory. Thats why Einstein's religious dogma impeded him from truly being the greatest scientist of the twentieth century. It also proved to be why Niels Bohr and the rest of the scientific community abandoned him.
If history has shown a trend, it is that with the education of the people comes increased secularity and eventually atheism. As ignorance vanishes so shall religion.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
And Atheist thought has also saved countless lives. Science is intrinsically Atheist. If it weren't for medical science many more individuals would have died due to treatable diseases than those who have died due to radical political ideologies such as fascism. If you were true to your beliefs you would relinquish all the fruits of science you currently enjoy.
The very fact that you are communicating with me right now is oxymoronic.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Again, the few scientists who did profess deist belief did not associate themselves with mainstream religion. Consequently they were repressed and humanity's progress was stunted. Understand that if it were up to the leaders of western, specifically Christian and Islamic religion, there would be no science whatsoever. All free thinking would be repressed to keep people pig ignorant and abusable by the clergy. Whether you realize it or not, that is what you openly advocate and wish to promote.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
And regarding your other points about the harm that religion causes, I want to say that I agree with you on about half of your points. I'm sorry that Christianity some times apposes scientific progress. Please don't overlook that ways it has helped that progress however. Read biographies of the greatest scientists in history, and you will find that many of them were aided and motivated by their believe that God created a rational and discoverable universe.
gerinteed 2 years ago
I agree with you that religion has caused all kinds of evil. Christianity has caused many evils itself, but the problem in those situations is not that people were being "too" christian. The problem is that they weren't being Christian enough. Jesus loved homosexuals, prostitutes, addicts, the sick, foreigners, and he told us (Christians) to do the same. He said we should even love enemies. Some people twist and distort Christianity, but please read the book of Luke to see what Jesus taught
gerinteed 2 years ago
First, If you want to have an intelligent discussion about religion, I don't mind that, but please use logical arguments rather than insults. I haven't, and won't insult you. You are a refined intellectual, so please speak like one. You say that religion denies people human dignity, but you have, by your words, again and again denied me basic human dignity. You have done more to denigrate me in 5 comments than I have ever done to denigrate woman or homosexuals.
gerinteed 2 years ago
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"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." Einstein
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Einstein
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
The hierarchical structure of most religions is anti-democratic, and thus offends basic human rights.
Religion doesn't give equal treatment to women and gay people, and thus offends basic human rights.
Religion obstructs scientific research and consequently the progress of humankind.
Evident Conclusion : Religion wastes people's time, lives, and money.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
A few basic facts concerning religion, these are in effect non negotiable:
Religion gets people to believe something untrue.
Religion makes people base the way they run their lives on a falsehood.
Religion stops people thinking in a rational and objective way.
Religion forces people to rely on outside authority, rather than becoming self-reliant.
Religion imposes irrational rules of good and bad behaviour.
Religion divides people, and is a cause of conflict and war.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Oh, and for the record - Stalin didn't kill 30 million of his own people because he was unreligious, he did it because he was completely insane. If anything he was quite theistic , after all, he was his own god. Moving on, don't believe that the world would be any better if religious zealots like the pope and radical islamists achieved power remotely near that of Stalin. Not only would many more be killed for equally superficial reasons - but those
who would remain would support the genocide!
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Hitler killed 6 million jews, 3 million poles, 3 million russians and 8 million others.
Mao Zedong killed unknown tens of millions of chinese.
Pol Pot killed 2 million cambodians (20% of the population)
And Stalin being Stalin's own God doesn't make him a Theist. That's just a rhetorical argument. It's not logical.
I do agree that Stalin was crazy. I'm not saying that atheists killing more people makes them inherently wrong, but it does show that religion isn't the real problem. Evil is.
gerinteed 2 years ago
And again... just to be clear: I'm not saying Japan is any worse than America. Not at all. I'm just expressing my belief that people everywhere are broken. And I believe that Jesus came to fix our brokenness. I want people in Japan to know about the incredible things Jesus did out of love for them. So I'm not saying America needs to fix Japan. I'm saying God needs to fix America, and Japan too, and I believe that that's exactly why he sent Jesus. To save even people like me.
gerinteed 2 years ago
Be very clear - anybody who states that you need 'salvation' is not working in your best interests-rather theirs. Humans are born without problems- rather we are intrinsically conditioned by society, which feeds us lies remarkably similar to those you promulgate. In your terms - people 'break' people through their own stupidity and self interest. If you need 'salvation' from anything it is your gullibility in the face other's lies.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
I also find your belief that 'god needs to fix the world' incredibly funny. Not only does it defy the inner logic (as if there were any) of your demented belief system (i.e., if god needs to fix it, he did not make it to begin with, didn't god make man (and therefore the world shaped by man) in his image?) , but it proves that you have been sufficiently brainwashed to remove any reasoning and logic from your thinking.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
Before I continue... I want to humbly apologize to you. It seems clear to me that you have had some really bad experiences with people who claimed to be Christian. These were likely legitimately bad experiences, and I'm not denying that those people were wrong. I would say though, that however many intolerant Christians you have met, Jesus Christ was anything but intolerant. He spent time with and loved homosexuals, prostitutes, foreigners (even races that were despised in his day)
gerinteed 2 years ago
wow. That's really rude... I actually don't hate science or education at all. And if you think America is 96 percent Christians then you are very misinformed. In my city, less than 15 percent of people attend any church, and probably less than half of those are Christian churches. And don't forget that atheists systematically killed tens of millions of people in this 20th century. The problem isn't with Christians... it's with humans. We are all messed up.
gerinteed 2 years ago
Gerinteed, your message is very clear. Like all proselytizing, mentally ill christians, you are against education and the betterment of humankind. If it were up to you - and the clergy who have brainwashed you- the world would be remarkably similar to western europe in the middle ages. A true amish paradise. The irony of all of this is that, despite the fact that you are against science, education and a healthy society, you are the benefactor of scientific discoveries in your everyday life.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
I find it extremely ironic that in the U.S., the country with the largest number of prison inmates on earth, 98% profess religious belief, and 96% percent of those 98% are christian. Atheists count for less than .2 % of the global prison inmate population. Japanese society is not fanatically obsessed with violence. (unlike the us). Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, and one of the highest life expectancies at present. It has an educational system that puts the U.S. to shame.
bigbutcowman 2 years ago
I'm sorry. I think you guys are misunderstanding the point of the video. It's not saying that there is a connection between suicide and education or Buddhism and it's not saying there is anything wrong with Japanese society. The facts you saw are all just little snippets that are meant to give viewers an emotional connection with Japan. It's not meant to say what is or isn't 'causal'. I'm not critiquing Japan. I'm just encouraging people to care about them. I won't apologize for that.
gerinteed 2 years ago
What does (the lack of) Christianity has to do with the Japanese suicide rate. Please prove the a causal relation between the two, or else this video is a fraud.
madass888 2 years ago
wow, so just because less then 1% are christians you want to go there JUST so you can MAKE then become christian. . . if they already have the choice and they dont take it then thats there choice dont force it apon them they have diffrent beleives in the world so u shouldnt force it on them thats just rude and disgraceful
KingdomHearts1920 2 years ago