Who is this Maurosso? You know, the worst thing about any sport is that you always get some know it all idiots that get frustrated because they lack both the discipline and intelligence to do well and end up posting comments/opinions that are completely unfounded.
I should say that I fenced internationally for many years and have 3 Fencing Olympians as immediate family so I do consider myself worthy of a comment or two. Please drop this fascination with classic fencing. All sports evolve and t
@gundamDR You are clearly not a fencer so why post something that highlights this fact and look pathetic? I guarantee you that even if we used 'real' swords I would cut you to shreds. You wouldn't have the skill or discipline required, would probably run at me like an axe wealding toss pot and end up feeling pretty sorry for yourself. Like a boxer I'm also pretty handy with MY fists should you prefer.
Classical fencing as a combat art is very interesting and fun to watch. This "sport," however, is just plain boring and pointless. Stick waving that forgot about it's own roots and developed into something fugly. Pretty much as bodybuilding that changed from sculpting perfectly beautiful body to packing in as much fugly muscle mass as you possibly biologically can, without your guts piercing through your stomach due to steroid usage. That's why it isn't popular...
Hahahaha... the uploaded comments are hilarious... Take it this way, back when fencing was used to settle arguments the rule was who ever bled first lost. So the whole point to fencing is to score a touch without being touched.... Therefore defense is vital to winning... If that doesnt make sense let me put it this way. Which is more important, scoring at touch? or not getting touched?
how come ya cant go charging forth swinging it like a broadsword,( the famous figure 8 slashing technique),! a wall of flashing steel ! youre opponent could not penetrate that offense!
@acerb45666555 The big motions that you're talking about are comparatively slow. It's just a matter of timing your attack properly and disengaging when he's about make blade contact.
@akeldama931 Tell me about it v_v I lost to lefty at my JV tournament in the quarter finals D= Like 13-15. And i had made like a five point comeback at the end once i learned his dirty lefty way e.e
@firespiter95 yea that sucks that crap happens to me alot. if its a DE bout with a lefty the bout is like 5x harder. if most of the leftys were rightys they wouldnt be as great as before >.>
Russians have they strong and week sides...well ever fencer has them.Russia is full of potencional fencers, believe me , i know..but in germany i didnt find them so much.. :/ and tournaments in russia is much way stronger than ir germany...
Hmm, as I am in the Asian and South East Asian Fencing competitions. I don't know Ganeev. But I do know he is a bit younger than Joppich? (I don't really like Joppich) Most fencers I see here are like Nam HyunHee (she came to our training in Singapore and showed us a few things) and various Korean and Japanese fencers. Yuki Ota used to come to Singapore for a competition but stopped for more important competitions. We get a lot of China and Thai Fencers. Panchan, but he is small compared to euro
^^ MR terrific it sounds funny....everything you say :D
I agree with all crorud who is against you..untill you have faced europe/world class fencers(juniors&higher) you should shut the f up :) believe me,,,these guys are good,at fencing...
they have different styles,,,and i can say that becuz i am in national team, and i have fenced with a world class fencers ;)
Why do you guys all have your heads up your ass? You guys take yourselves way too seriously. Nobody gives a shit where you've fenced and how fucking awesome you are. Get over yourself, please.
@Macr1n1 And you, who've done nothing? Why are you even posting here? A smart student knows who to listen to and who not to. You are the latter. You remind me of that William Shatner number, Has Been. "You are as good as the best thing you have ever done," Billy Wilder. Way better than you.
terrific unless youve been to the european championships you have no idea what your talking about your......you arent there level of fencing get over yourself they know what they are doing not you
mr terrific -- the way you are describing your fencing style it sounds like your a classical fencer that learns perfect form and cannot move away from that. These guys are competitive fencers which can anticipate all forms of attack and have the speed necessary to defend themselves adequately if they fail to anticipate. I bet you cant flick as well as they can (which in my opinion as a competitive fencer the hardest hit to land in a bout, especially on the shoulder and back)
@Tehosennake Not only that, but modern fencers spend plenty of time learning and reviewing basic foot work, basic onguard, etc. What happened in competition is influenced by all sorts of tactical things including false invitations, deception, etc. You're completely right about Mr Terrific - not so terrific. In fact, pretty embarrassing.
wow man do you really think you are that awsome at fencing as that you think you know more then these fencers who have trained there entire lives and know every tactic about the sport then keep dreaming these guys are at least 100x better then you
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Again, this sucks. I see two Foil fencers whom are dancing around like they are holding Epees. They have absolutely forgotten what is it to "defend" and THEN attack! They are both simply trying to "score" any way they can! I am sorry but this sucks.
I do however know how defend with a foil instead of simply dance around with no idea of what "En garde" means, sliding on the mat and falling into a split simply to "score." This match is amateurish. I see this weekly where I fence and whenever this people fence against me, they have to change their methods.
HAHA ... u dont know how good these fencers are!!! are u even on the national team??:)i dont think so!! ( These guys are some of the best fencers in the world!
While I understand that "competitive" fencers dance around and seek points based upon the rules governing their choice of weapons: ie. epee, saber, foil, to have absolutely no idea how to defend against someone who decides to drop to the floor in an attempt to score, is just hysterical! They are supposed to be "professionals." They are probably considered "master fencers."
I have watched this again. Their leg movements are okay. Their parrying sucks. I would take on these two any day as a complete and total amateur and score! They are simply attempting to score. That is the problem with advanced fencers. They total forget how to defend! I face fencers like this in class and frustrate the hell out of them!
Eh... I'd imagine they know how to defend, somehow. I think they wouldn't last too long if they were that easy to get around. Some of those parries are insane.
These two world class fencers would tear you to shreds, 15-0 in the first 2 min. or less. you don't train the hours as world champions. The speed of these guys are a different level compared to people you face in your "class" your parries would be to slow. think about it.
Well. I offer a "challenge" to any of the fencers in this video to a duel. PROVE it! Just because some fencers made a national team, does not mean they are the "best in the world." Personally I could care less about competition. However I would love to fence against them being a total novice as I am! Their form is sloppy. Their defense is sloppy and they simply run and desperately stab at one another in the hopes of scoring! Hahahhaha. Pathetic just simply pathetic.
@bbwbb2 You know, from the things this Mr Terrificil is writing here, it appears to me that he will soon quit fencing because he is so far off base here and exposing a high degree of low intelligence in general. It takes lots of smarts to become a good fencer, and brilliance to become a great one. This guy, I predict, will quit cold within three years, probably less. He'll become a "classical" fencer or join the SCA and hang out at Renaissance faires, picking on people.
@ajsmcs I know what you mean, but don't let them frustrate you. Besides, they are doing that to invite an attack by looking lazy. I learned that along the way, too.
Sloppy form.. Have you even competed in a league like that? Your way over your head
I have been in leagues like that The fencers are absolutley AMAZING You won't win take it from someone who's had a first hand experiance im extremly good You may be as well but trust me they will make you look like an amateur
@MrTerrificII Read up on when world champion Aldo Nadi fought a duel with a sportswriter who had a reputation as a duelist, while Nadi had none. Nadi made him quit, surrender. You have a big, big mouth. These guys are too civilized to take you up on it and I am too old. But you are way beyond yourself and have NO idea of reality. They would just slow down and pick their time and murder you. Obvious that you have no eye. You don't know what it takes to do that.
Well aside from young terrifics so called thoughts, or whatever, yes Germany has had the competitive edge over everyone seems like, Kleibrinks distance in this video is perfect, all straight attacks, one counter reposte to the right shoulder, and all one light, I wonder who will be fencing for Germany in 2012 kleibrink,Joppich, or a new fencer yet to be heard of? peace out.
@Gudenstb You are just being rude. You Euros ought to relearn some humility. For a couple years I lived in Slovenia, and when I went to the premier fencing club in Ljubljana, they all thought that an American couldn't beat any of them. Plus, I was 45 and they were younger, plus, I hadn't fencing in 11 months. Beat their women's national champion in epee, and beat half the guys. Same happened in '88 when I went to a club in Dublin, Ireland, but with foil.
@MrTerrificII You face novices who you think are comparable to this. Here, when one fencer begins to parry, the other knows that that line is closing, so he goes to another, sometimes in full defensive retraction or just blade. A real parry requires blade contact and a discernible removal of the point out of line, which happens here too. You make your assumptions on ignorance of what happens at that level because your basic lack of experience and no eye.
Thank you Doc for your response. I am not even a good NOVICE fencer yet! However, I would not even try to attack them. I would let them try to attack me first. At any rate, I have no illusions as to their abilities. Also, after reading my old posts, I must admit, they sounded extremely arrogant and ignorant. My apologies to all of you here who have been fencing. I love the sport myself and perhaps like many amateurs I can not see what those of you with far more experience do.
Hence forth in the fencing world, lunges are called splits, advance splits, banana split, etc, and the "Piste" or " Strip" is called a "Mat". as per Mr Terrific. Aka Cannon Fodder.
@senorshoebrush Clearly, you both guys are talkin about 2 different sports. Sports fencing, and classic fencing. What he said is 100% true when it comes to Sport fencing featured in the clip. Defending in sport fencing is deemed uneffective and ceases to exist, it's all bout counter attacks, luck, and the few miliseconds between the double hit....Classic fencing is a different matter thou...
@Maurosso Well, I have to say, that is completely untrue. Any fencer that deems defence ineffective in this 'sport fencing' as you call it, have no idea. Yes, these days, counter attacking is used to a high degree, but defence is important as it ever was. And to be honest, you're talking about epee, which is the wrong discipline altogether.
@senorshoebrush and yet, you said it your self: "counter attacking is used to a high degree"...why? it's the most dangerous type of action you can muster. How often do you see the fight command, 2 guys walk to each other, WHAM!, They both scream: YEAHHHH!, then one of them leaves the spot sad. Repeat until end of match. Electronics and weird rules compltly changed the face of fencing. It's not about hitting and not getting hit, it's about: who hits first. That goes for the epee, foil and saber.
@Maurosso Have you watched this video? At all? There is not one single counter attack used. I'm sorry, but that kind of deems your argument irrelevent. If you see a single counter attack in there, things need to be said about your knowledge of fencing.
@senorshoebrush 1st action; presentation, beat attack counter = pt. 2nd action; out of distance attack, ineffective parry attempt = pt. 3rd action; attack, parried, reposte, counter parry reposte = pt. 4th action; straight attack = pt. How can you say this? You must not know how to direct or break down action. You can't have any idea if you don't see the parries and repostes here.
@Maurosso On the rules argument; the rules of modern fencing have always been aimed at replicating as closely as possible, a real duel. Electric scoring went a long ways in eliminating what was called "reputation touches" and testing refs does that too. I've watched classical fencers using the old standard system argue so much that hardly any fencing is happening. So electric also sped up the sport and made it more demanding athletically. Cont2;
@deaddoc Cont2; Politics have at times allowed a bad rule to be passed, but they were rather quickly reversed. The problem that I see classical fencers having with the rules is a lack of discipline in themselves, and that they would rather argue in circles, as you are doing, in order to prevail. Generally, anyone who spends equal time in modern fencing will prevail over the classical fencer.
@Maurosso You're talking about the right of way, and that is exactly why defense needs to be used more. I've lost so many points for counter attaacking when I should have been parrying, and reposting. Defending is VERY effective, and very useful.
Let me put it like this, if you go into a match and defend, and your opponent counter attacks, you will win because of right of way.
@TheMindIsPoison I'm not saying fencing right now is bad...I'm just saying it's different. It's a sport. With rules. Just like boxing is not a fighting style...It's a sport.
Let me put it like this: Give the fencers sharp weapons, take away the electronics and safety gear. Do you really believe anyone of them would try to fight the same way as now? I guarantee you they would be scared shitless to counter attack. And that fear for your life is not represented in any way in todays sport fencing.
@Maurosso ok, i am taught classic fencing by my coach, and modern by fellow fencers who are exposed to modern coaching, I have seen both. First off, this is not epee, it's foil, get it right. Defense matters, but its different in sport fencing, where flicks and hiding the blade are common. It's about drawing out the attack then parrying or using distance to force ur opponent to miss. If even a sport fencer ignores the parry, then once they fence someone with good distance, they are fucked.
@Maurosso I was a sport fencer for more than 20 years and in my prime at the national level. Did faires too. These classic guys are full of hot air. It is plain to see that they just want slower timing because they are not talented or they never did work that hard to train. I never had trouble beating anyone who did not train in the Olympic style of fencing in any form, including "classic," and especially against Eastern sword guys who picked up fencing rapiers, blackbelts+ too.
@deaddoc hmm...If you were on a national level in sport fencing, it's not a big revelation that you had an easy time with beating less experienced fencers:). The thing I'm saying...is that sport fencing is a sport...and not fencing...the same way as boxing is a sport, and not a real fight. You have special, additional rules, that you must follow to win...which in a real fight would have no application.
@Maurosso No application? So wrong. Did you know for instance that Bruce Lee studied fencing in Italy and admitted using the parrying techniques he learned there to develop his own style? Keeping a cool head in a fight is half the battle, and fencing teaches that. I have personally found both to be absolutely true. Modern fencing is modeled after the duel of honor, which had rules of conduct implied and followed technically and culturally. to Cont:
@deaddoc Cont: A brawl is different, but fencing schools in the Renaissance on were also for the wealthier to learn to defend themselves and others from ruffians, who attacked often in groups. The English word for the sport, Fencing, comes from "Defence." Classical fencing - if that is what you are promoting here as superior, is less applicable because it relies too much on showiness, and less on hard training and efficiency, pumping egos rather than improving skills. to Cont2;
@deaddoc Cont2: If you check it, Boxers do pretty well in street fights when they have occurred. Modern fencing IS fencing and I say that an equally trained modern fencer will beat an equally trained "classical" fencer. Classical fencing is just stuck in time and technique, not in superior form or inherent ability. I was active when it began. You would have nothing if not for modern fencing, everything you do is drawn from that including the basic rules and the basic styles.
@deaddoc Cont3: As I posted, I did rapier and dagger with people who also had high degree blackbelt training in Karate, Shanai, Kendo, and other Eastern arts, ones who thought they would have an advantage in rapier and dagger and classical fencing. Always beat them. Their moves are crude and easily discerned by the modern fencer's eye. Classical fencers are likewise predictable and uniformly slower in timing. I also did some theatrical fight directing later on.
@deaddoc Cont4: Just remembered this; The still world famous Italian champion, Aldo Nadi, fencing a real duel against a sports writer who insulted him. The sports writer had been in several duels and won. Aldo Nadi beat him, his opponent surrendering before Nadi made his final attack, which he ruefully recalls as his lowest point as a human, because he saw himself reduced to a murderer. Read up. Everything you're saying is wrong, demonstrably wrong.
@Maurosso Your first sentence here proves my point. There is NO classical fencer who can match a fencer who has competed on the national level because they NEVER get to that level in comparable skill. That puts the modern fencer at advantage every time. Electric scoring has eliminated arguing and cheating, as well as "reputation touches." It sure changed saber when it electrified, not that long ago. Before that, they did running attacks all the time. Rules improved it too.
@deaddoc Parrying techniques of modern fencing are immediately transferable to the hands, as I found many times in my own life. I lived in Eastern Europe for a while and was in a few brawls, and general fights that happened "just for fun." The little bit of wrestling I learned in high school came right back too. I beat a guy who was a judo champion. He couldn't get a hold of my hands at all.
Actually, it iS getting more popular in the States...USFA numbers have pretty much doubled from a few years back. I'm an equjipment vendor in Los Angeles and have been seeing quite a few new fencers throughout the season (good for my sales!)
As for this vid....the counter-parry riposte at :33....gets no better than that!
this guys quick, lovely beat repost. but the reason this guy is that much better is cos he is a lefty. they always have the edge. rightys dont fence lefty very often. so leftys have an advantage. im suprised he didnt go for the kidneys more though... thats what they normally do
@gits4eva You know, I never was bothered by lefties. That is because I think, that I am ambidextrous, but more importantly, I had a left handed fencer to train with from the start. Their backs are big, generous targets and a righty can learn to prime-reposte just as well as a lefty. It's just a matter of perception.
Who is this Maurosso? You know, the worst thing about any sport is that you always get some know it all idiots that get frustrated because they lack both the discipline and intelligence to do well and end up posting comments/opinions that are completely unfounded.
I should say that I fenced internationally for many years and have 3 Fencing Olympians as immediate family so I do consider myself worthy of a comment or two. Please drop this fascination with classic fencing. All sports evolve and t
maximusbeevers 4 months ago
@gundamDR You are clearly not a fencer so why post something that highlights this fact and look pathetic? I guarantee you that even if we used 'real' swords I would cut you to shreds. You wouldn't have the skill or discipline required, would probably run at me like an axe wealding toss pot and end up feeling pretty sorry for yourself. Like a boxer I'm also pretty handy with MY fists should you prefer.
maximusbeevers 4 months ago
Grab a real sword and drop that fucking toothpick! Ballet is more exciting.
OutlawMaxV 4 months ago
@OutlawMaxV
Fencing is a amazing get off your fat arse keyboard warrior and get to the nearest Fencing Salle you can find
MasterSupernova 3 months ago
Classical fencing as a combat art is very interesting and fun to watch. This "sport," however, is just plain boring and pointless. Stick waving that forgot about it's own roots and developed into something fugly. Pretty much as bodybuilding that changed from sculpting perfectly beautiful body to packing in as much fugly muscle mass as you possibly biologically can, without your guts piercing through your stomach due to steroid usage. That's why it isn't popular...
GundamDR 4 months ago
@GundamDR It is a nice way to keep fit though...
69schil 4 months ago
60,000 of these views are mine....
123dantel 5 months ago
where did u get this music?
MedievalNerd411 6 months ago
Hahahaha... the uploaded comments are hilarious... Take it this way, back when fencing was used to settle arguments the rule was who ever bled first lost. So the whole point to fencing is to score a touch without being touched.... Therefore defense is vital to winning... If that doesnt make sense let me put it this way. Which is more important, scoring at touch? or not getting touched?
dementedyeknom 8 months ago
whats the name of the song ? :) great Fencing Video :) congrats
DjNorttiGeorgia 9 months ago
Benjamin Kleibrink is awesome a real Olympic Champion
The best fencer on our planet
great I will see more!!!
Feuerbach92 11 months ago
watch my trubite to Benjamin Kleibrink
joemann1313 1 year ago
Kleibrink is awesome
allemagne92 1 year ago
Prequel!
minusblame 1 year ago
lefties = awesome
gamercds 1 year ago
That touch at point 7 was absolutely perfect, love to watch touches like that, I mostly fence epee but foil is still fun to fence at times
Danevader2 1 year ago
KLEIBRINK 1 -FOIL = WORLD CHAMPION IN FOIL
gks28sj 1 year ago
Clearly. I have a foil which I used in 1966. I suck. My comment was about the girl. A fencer that got the gold. Very fast.
Clearly, I will not take my 3 foot piece foot of steel and put it through an eye. But, I will take my 1911 and shoot you in the face.
82abnoff 1 year ago
Nice parry 9 riposte.
PissedFechtmeister 1 year ago
i fenced when i was 14 now i wanna do it again
CAZPERsayz 1 year ago
how come ya cant go charging forth swinging it like a broadsword,( the famous figure 8 slashing technique),! a wall of flashing steel ! youre opponent could not penetrate that offense!
acerb45666555 1 year ago
@acerb45666555 Actually that defence can be penetrated quite easily.
PissedFechtmeister 1 year ago
@PissedFechtmeister ...........it cant be that easy to get through! hed be moving and dodging all over the place!
acerb45666555 1 year ago
@acerb45666555 The big motions that you're talking about are comparatively slow. It's just a matter of timing your attack properly and disengaging when he's about make blade contact.
PissedFechtmeister 1 year ago
fuckin leftys
akeldama931 2 years ago 2
They have advantage don't they :P a left handed person is more used to right handed people than right handed people is used to lefties.
Blad0506 2 years ago 27
haha yea they do. it may have something to do with the angle also so idk...
akeldama931 2 years ago
@Blad0506
Ya... but every blue moon you see a lefty v. lefty bout... and its one of the funniest and longest bouts you ever see. La bell X3
PaCo12349 1 year ago
@Blad0506
That may be so, but then once in a blue moon we righties get to watch a lefty vs. lefty bout and be entertained for a bout that goes to la belle :)
PaCo12349 1 year ago
@Blad0506 is there a match of left vs left i can see?
write2yibo 3 months ago
@write2yibo Yeah.. this one:
LEI Sheng CHN vs Kleibrink GER
/watch?v=5IlxXTjRx7Q
Blad0506 3 months ago
@Blad0506 As a lefty, I can neither confirm nor deny that.
SorenityVids 1 day ago
@akeldama931 Agreed.
firespiter95 1 year ago
@firespiter95 it pisses me off sometimes
akeldama931 1 year ago
@akeldama931 Tell me about it v_v I lost to lefty at my JV tournament in the quarter finals D= Like 13-15. And i had made like a five point comeback at the end once i learned his dirty lefty way e.e
firespiter95 1 year ago
@firespiter95 yea that sucks that crap happens to me alot. if its a DE bout with a lefty the bout is like 5x harder. if most of the leftys were rightys they wouldnt be as great as before >.>
akeldama931 1 year ago
@akeldama931 You love us really! ;-)
angrygingersteve 1 year ago
@angrygingersteve no i actualy dont...
akeldama931 1 year ago
what anoob cant even tbf
dfineee 2 years ago
Kleibrink ist einfach ein Spitzen-Fechter! Hut ab!!!
Ich bin zwar kein allzu großer Florett-Fan, aber er ist auf diesem Gebiet wirklich eine herausragende Nummer!!!
leuchtfeuer1 2 years ago
Wow the speed on the parry riposte on the second hit was something else - good job they showed it in slow motion
sofenceme 2 years ago
It's mostly an "unwanted" reaction that fencers do... Sometimes you parry without even wanting to.
They way the russian parried. And raised his arm, let kleibrink know that he was gonna go for the shoulder/back.
Blad0506 2 years ago
I like how Ganeev fencing :)
No offence to german folks, but russia have better school of fencing...
cyrexlatvia 2 years ago
and ganeev is relatively young and inexperienced compared to the others. ^_^
Nicaud92 2 years ago
woow...do you know him in person?
do you know how old is he?
i think he is enough professional like others...
Russians have they strong and week sides...well ever fencer has them.Russia is full of potencional fencers, believe me , i know..but in germany i didnt find them so much.. :/ and tournaments in russia is much way stronger than ir germany...
cyrexlatvia 2 years ago
Hmm, as I am in the Asian and South East Asian Fencing competitions. I don't know Ganeev. But I do know he is a bit younger than Joppich? (I don't really like Joppich) Most fencers I see here are like Nam HyunHee (she came to our training in Singapore and showed us a few things) and various Korean and Japanese fencers. Yuki Ota used to come to Singapore for a competition but stopped for more important competitions. We get a lot of China and Thai Fencers. Panchan, but he is small compared to euro
Nicaud92 2 years ago
^^ MR terrific it sounds funny....everything you say :D
I agree with all crorud who is against you..untill you have faced europe/world class fencers(juniors&higher) you should shut the f up :) believe me,,,these guys are good,at fencing...
they have different styles,,,and i can say that becuz i am in national team, and i have fenced with a world class fencers ;)
cyrexlatvia 2 years ago
Why do you guys all have your heads up your ass? You guys take yourselves way too seriously. Nobody gives a shit where you've fenced and how fucking awesome you are. Get over yourself, please.
Macr1n1 2 years ago
@Macr1n1 And you, who've done nothing? Why are you even posting here? A smart student knows who to listen to and who not to. You are the latter. You remind me of that William Shatner number, Has Been. "You are as good as the best thing you have ever done," Billy Wilder. Way better than you.
deaddoc 8 months ago
terrific unless youve been to the european championships you have no idea what your talking about your......you arent there level of fencing get over yourself they know what they are doing not you
lilpyro1453 2 years ago 2
mr terrific -- the way you are describing your fencing style it sounds like your a classical fencer that learns perfect form and cannot move away from that. These guys are competitive fencers which can anticipate all forms of attack and have the speed necessary to defend themselves adequately if they fail to anticipate. I bet you cant flick as well as they can (which in my opinion as a competitive fencer the hardest hit to land in a bout, especially on the shoulder and back)
Tehosennake 2 years ago
@Tehosennake Not only that, but modern fencers spend plenty of time learning and reviewing basic foot work, basic onguard, etc. What happened in competition is influenced by all sorts of tactical things including false invitations, deception, etc. You're completely right about Mr Terrific - not so terrific. In fact, pretty embarrassing.
deaddoc 8 months ago
I know I'd get nilled if I ever had the privilege of fencing Kleibrink... but it would be worth it!
He is now what I aspire to equal or be!
angrygingersteve 3 years ago 5
wow man do you really think you are that awsome at fencing as that you think you know more then these fencers who have trained there entire lives and know every tactic about the sport then keep dreaming these guys are at least 100x better then you
lilpyro1453 3 years ago
yea sorry terific but you probably know half the shit they they do about fencing giving the fact that they are in the European championships
lilpyro1453 3 years ago 2
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Again, this sucks. I see two Foil fencers whom are dancing around like they are holding Epees. They have absolutely forgotten what is it to "defend" and THEN attack! They are both simply trying to "score" any way they can! I am sorry but this sucks.
Terrific
MrTerrificII 3 years ago
Clearly, you have no idea how to fence.
senorshoebrush 3 years ago 39
Oh yes. Clearly I do not.
I do however know how defend with a foil instead of simply dance around with no idea of what "En garde" means, sliding on the mat and falling into a split simply to "score." This match is amateurish. I see this weekly where I fence and whenever this people fence against me, they have to change their methods.
Terrific
MrTerrificII 3 years ago
HAHA ... u dont know how good these fencers are!!! are u even on the national team??:)i dont think so!! ( These guys are some of the best fencers in the world!
Gudenstb 2 years ago
to terrific
Gudenstb 2 years ago
While I understand that "competitive" fencers dance around and seek points based upon the rules governing their choice of weapons: ie. epee, saber, foil, to have absolutely no idea how to defend against someone who decides to drop to the floor in an attempt to score, is just hysterical! They are supposed to be "professionals." They are probably considered "master fencers."
MrTerrificII 2 years ago
I have watched this again. Their leg movements are okay. Their parrying sucks. I would take on these two any day as a complete and total amateur and score! They are simply attempting to score. That is the problem with advanced fencers. They total forget how to defend! I face fencers like this in class and frustrate the hell out of them!
Terrific
MrTerrificII 3 years ago
i would like to see you fencing to one of them to see how well u fence... or at least upload a video of u so we can learn.
sorry for the bad english
diego000gf 3 years ago 4
Eh... I'd imagine they know how to defend, somehow. I think they wouldn't last too long if they were that easy to get around. Some of those parries are insane.
I don't even know why I'm replying...
TTVCerpinTaxt 3 years ago 2
These two world class fencers would tear you to shreds, 15-0 in the first 2 min. or less. you don't train the hours as world champions. The speed of these guys are a different level compared to people you face in your "class" your parries would be to slow. think about it.
bbwbb2 3 years ago
Okay. I have thought about it. They seek points without defense. They would not "tear me to shreds."
Sorry. They may be "World Class fencers," however, defense is defense and I can defend myself against them.
Terrific
MrTerrificII 3 years ago
Wow thats terrific, terrific.
bbwbb2 3 years ago 2
If you are so good why arent u in the Olympics or the world championships?
Johji92 2 years ago
And terrific these fencers can beat every one in your country!
Gudenstb 2 years ago
Well. I offer a "challenge" to any of the fencers in this video to a duel. PROVE it! Just because some fencers made a national team, does not mean they are the "best in the world." Personally I could care less about competition. However I would love to fence against them being a total novice as I am! Their form is sloppy. Their defense is sloppy and they simply run and desperately stab at one another in the hopes of scoring! Hahahhaha. Pathetic just simply pathetic.
MrTerrificII 2 years ago
Just one question terrific, how long ago did you take your first fencing class?
bbwbb2 2 years ago
Um honestly, aproximately 3 months ago. Hahahahhaha. Terrific
MrTerrificII 2 years ago
okay that would explain a lot to every one here yelling at you lol. keep fencing you have a lot to learn yet.
bbwbb2 2 years ago
@bbwbb2 You know, from the things this Mr Terrificil is writing here, it appears to me that he will soon quit fencing because he is so far off base here and exposing a high degree of low intelligence in general. It takes lots of smarts to become a good fencer, and brilliance to become a great one. This guy, I predict, will quit cold within three years, probably less. He'll become a "classical" fencer or join the SCA and hang out at Renaissance faires, picking on people.
deaddoc 8 months ago
YES IT DOES!!! who is the best fencer in your county??? (+ if u are so good why arent u at the world championship??
Gudenstb 2 years ago
I'm always frustrated when foilists don't put their back arm up. It's just lazy.
ajsmcs 2 years ago
@ajsmcs I know what you mean, but don't let them frustrate you. Besides, they are doing that to invite an attack by looking lazy. I learned that along the way, too.
deaddoc 8 months ago
Sloppy form.. Have you even competed in a league like that? Your way over your head
I have been in leagues like that The fencers are absolutley AMAZING You won't win take it from someone who's had a first hand experiance im extremly good You may be as well but trust me they will make you look like an amateur
dravenroughnecks 2 years ago
@MrTerrificII Read up on when world champion Aldo Nadi fought a duel with a sportswriter who had a reputation as a duelist, while Nadi had none. Nadi made him quit, surrender. You have a big, big mouth. These guys are too civilized to take you up on it and I am too old. But you are way beyond yourself and have NO idea of reality. They would just slow down and pick their time and murder you. Obvious that you have no eye. You don't know what it takes to do that.
deaddoc 8 months ago
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MrTerrificII 6 months ago
Well aside from young terrifics so called thoughts, or whatever, yes Germany has had the competitive edge over everyone seems like, Kleibrinks distance in this video is perfect, all straight attacks, one counter reposte to the right shoulder, and all one light, I wonder who will be fencing for Germany in 2012 kleibrink,Joppich, or a new fencer yet to be heard of? peace out.
bbwbb2 2 years ago
@Gudenstb You are just being rude. You Euros ought to relearn some humility. For a couple years I lived in Slovenia, and when I went to the premier fencing club in Ljubljana, they all thought that an American couldn't beat any of them. Plus, I was 45 and they were younger, plus, I hadn't fencing in 11 months. Beat their women's national champion in epee, and beat half the guys. Same happened in '88 when I went to a club in Dublin, Ireland, but with foil.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@MrTerrificII You face novices who you think are comparable to this. Here, when one fencer begins to parry, the other knows that that line is closing, so he goes to another, sometimes in full defensive retraction or just blade. A real parry requires blade contact and a discernible removal of the point out of line, which happens here too. You make your assumptions on ignorance of what happens at that level because your basic lack of experience and no eye.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc
Thank you Doc for your response. I am not even a good NOVICE fencer yet! However, I would not even try to attack them. I would let them try to attack me first. At any rate, I have no illusions as to their abilities. Also, after reading my old posts, I must admit, they sounded extremely arrogant and ignorant. My apologies to all of you here who have been fencing. I love the sport myself and perhaps like many amateurs I can not see what those of you with far more experience do.
MrTerrificII 6 months ago
Hence forth in the fencing world, lunges are called splits, advance splits, banana split, etc, and the "Piste" or " Strip" is called a "Mat". as per Mr Terrific. Aka Cannon Fodder.
bbwbb2 3 years ago
@senorshoebrush Clearly, you both guys are talkin about 2 different sports. Sports fencing, and classic fencing. What he said is 100% true when it comes to Sport fencing featured in the clip. Defending in sport fencing is deemed uneffective and ceases to exist, it's all bout counter attacks, luck, and the few miliseconds between the double hit....Classic fencing is a different matter thou...
Maurosso 1 year ago 3
@Maurosso Well, I have to say, that is completely untrue. Any fencer that deems defence ineffective in this 'sport fencing' as you call it, have no idea. Yes, these days, counter attacking is used to a high degree, but defence is important as it ever was. And to be honest, you're talking about epee, which is the wrong discipline altogether.
senorshoebrush 1 year ago
@senorshoebrush and yet, you said it your self: "counter attacking is used to a high degree"...why? it's the most dangerous type of action you can muster. How often do you see the fight command, 2 guys walk to each other, WHAM!, They both scream: YEAHHHH!, then one of them leaves the spot sad. Repeat until end of match. Electronics and weird rules compltly changed the face of fencing. It's not about hitting and not getting hit, it's about: who hits first. That goes for the epee, foil and saber.
Maurosso 1 year ago
@Maurosso Have you watched this video? At all? There is not one single counter attack used. I'm sorry, but that kind of deems your argument irrelevent. If you see a single counter attack in there, things need to be said about your knowledge of fencing.
senorshoebrush 1 year ago 4
@senorshoebrush u really got him to shut up haha great vids man. fencing seems really cool. my friend does it and i would but ive done crew for years
LionofNJ2013 10 months ago
@senorshoebrush 1st action; presentation, beat attack counter = pt. 2nd action; out of distance attack, ineffective parry attempt = pt. 3rd action; attack, parried, reposte, counter parry reposte = pt. 4th action; straight attack = pt. How can you say this? You must not know how to direct or break down action. You can't have any idea if you don't see the parries and repostes here.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@Maurosso On the rules argument; the rules of modern fencing have always been aimed at replicating as closely as possible, a real duel. Electric scoring went a long ways in eliminating what was called "reputation touches" and testing refs does that too. I've watched classical fencers using the old standard system argue so much that hardly any fencing is happening. So electric also sped up the sport and made it more demanding athletically. Cont2;
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc Cont2; Politics have at times allowed a bad rule to be passed, but they were rather quickly reversed. The problem that I see classical fencers having with the rules is a lack of discipline in themselves, and that they would rather argue in circles, as you are doing, in order to prevail. Generally, anyone who spends equal time in modern fencing will prevail over the classical fencer.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@Maurosso You're talking about the right of way, and that is exactly why defense needs to be used more. I've lost so many points for counter attaacking when I should have been parrying, and reposting. Defending is VERY effective, and very useful.
Let me put it like this, if you go into a match and defend, and your opponent counter attacks, you will win because of right of way.
TheMindIsPoison 5 months ago
@TheMindIsPoison I'm not saying fencing right now is bad...I'm just saying it's different. It's a sport. With rules. Just like boxing is not a fighting style...It's a sport.
Let me put it like this: Give the fencers sharp weapons, take away the electronics and safety gear. Do you really believe anyone of them would try to fight the same way as now? I guarantee you they would be scared shitless to counter attack. And that fear for your life is not represented in any way in todays sport fencing.
Maurosso 5 months ago
@Maurosso ok, i am taught classic fencing by my coach, and modern by fellow fencers who are exposed to modern coaching, I have seen both. First off, this is not epee, it's foil, get it right. Defense matters, but its different in sport fencing, where flicks and hiding the blade are common. It's about drawing out the attack then parrying or using distance to force ur opponent to miss. If even a sport fencer ignores the parry, then once they fence someone with good distance, they are fucked.
luvinwafflez 1 year ago
@Maurosso I was a sport fencer for more than 20 years and in my prime at the national level. Did faires too. These classic guys are full of hot air. It is plain to see that they just want slower timing because they are not talented or they never did work that hard to train. I never had trouble beating anyone who did not train in the Olympic style of fencing in any form, including "classic," and especially against Eastern sword guys who picked up fencing rapiers, blackbelts+ too.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc hmm...If you were on a national level in sport fencing, it's not a big revelation that you had an easy time with beating less experienced fencers:). The thing I'm saying...is that sport fencing is a sport...and not fencing...the same way as boxing is a sport, and not a real fight. You have special, additional rules, that you must follow to win...which in a real fight would have no application.
Maurosso 8 months ago
@Maurosso No application? So wrong. Did you know for instance that Bruce Lee studied fencing in Italy and admitted using the parrying techniques he learned there to develop his own style? Keeping a cool head in a fight is half the battle, and fencing teaches that. I have personally found both to be absolutely true. Modern fencing is modeled after the duel of honor, which had rules of conduct implied and followed technically and culturally. to Cont:
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc Cont: A brawl is different, but fencing schools in the Renaissance on were also for the wealthier to learn to defend themselves and others from ruffians, who attacked often in groups. The English word for the sport, Fencing, comes from "Defence." Classical fencing - if that is what you are promoting here as superior, is less applicable because it relies too much on showiness, and less on hard training and efficiency, pumping egos rather than improving skills. to Cont2;
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc Cont2: If you check it, Boxers do pretty well in street fights when they have occurred. Modern fencing IS fencing and I say that an equally trained modern fencer will beat an equally trained "classical" fencer. Classical fencing is just stuck in time and technique, not in superior form or inherent ability. I was active when it began. You would have nothing if not for modern fencing, everything you do is drawn from that including the basic rules and the basic styles.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc Cont3: As I posted, I did rapier and dagger with people who also had high degree blackbelt training in Karate, Shanai, Kendo, and other Eastern arts, ones who thought they would have an advantage in rapier and dagger and classical fencing. Always beat them. Their moves are crude and easily discerned by the modern fencer's eye. Classical fencers are likewise predictable and uniformly slower in timing. I also did some theatrical fight directing later on.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc Cont4: Just remembered this; The still world famous Italian champion, Aldo Nadi, fencing a real duel against a sports writer who insulted him. The sports writer had been in several duels and won. Aldo Nadi beat him, his opponent surrendering before Nadi made his final attack, which he ruefully recalls as his lowest point as a human, because he saw himself reduced to a murderer. Read up. Everything you're saying is wrong, demonstrably wrong.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@Maurosso Your first sentence here proves my point. There is NO classical fencer who can match a fencer who has competed on the national level because they NEVER get to that level in comparable skill. That puts the modern fencer at advantage every time. Electric scoring has eliminated arguing and cheating, as well as "reputation touches." It sure changed saber when it electrified, not that long ago. Before that, they did running attacks all the time. Rules improved it too.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc Parrying techniques of modern fencing are immediately transferable to the hands, as I found many times in my own life. I lived in Eastern Europe for a while and was in a few brawls, and general fights that happened "just for fun." The little bit of wrestling I learned in high school came right back too. I beat a guy who was a judo champion. He couldn't get a hold of my hands at all.
deaddoc 8 months ago
I just started fencing and I am still trying to perfect my en guard position, so watching these guys is like... whoa. I am in awe.
mcquestion 3 years ago
This is awesome. Europe ftw.
CenturyGamer 3 years ago
absolutely amazing FENCING RULES!!!!!!! GOOO FOILLLLL
HPIracing111 3 years ago
Beeeeeennni!!!!! Du bist klasseeeeeee!!!! Hatte damals so gehofft, dass der die Medaille bekommt und dnan war's tatsächlich so, einfach unglaublich!!
alteye1 3 years ago 2
More videos please....
awesome...
kahmukahmu125 3 years ago
I LOVE Germany
fcbayjako 3 years ago
whats the music
cpmegastarisdabest 3 years ago
i wish fencing was more popular in America..
babing100 3 years ago 4
Actually, it iS getting more popular in the States...USFA numbers have pretty much doubled from a few years back. I'm an equjipment vendor in Los Angeles and have been seeing quite a few new fencers throughout the season (good for my sales!)
As for this vid....the counter-parry riposte at :33....gets no better than that!
homfencing 3 years ago 3
who is the british commentator on eurosport? it is the best english language commentating of escrime i have heard.
dfasdasdfa0987654321 3 years ago
olympic champ! nice
dfasdasdfa0987654321 3 years ago
Love him, too.
Hellof7 3 years ago
this guys quick, lovely beat repost. but the reason this guy is that much better is cos he is a lefty. they always have the edge. rightys dont fence lefty very often. so leftys have an advantage. im suprised he didnt go for the kidneys more though... thats what they normally do
gits4eva 3 years ago
@gits4eva You know, I never was bothered by lefties. That is because I think, that I am ambidextrous, but more importantly, I had a left handed fencer to train with from the start. Their backs are big, generous targets and a righty can learn to prime-reposte just as well as a lefty. It's just a matter of perception.
deaddoc 8 months ago
@deaddoc
'Just a matter of perception...' That is an excellent comment my friend it all boils down to practice
ArGyProductions 4 months ago
Lol very funny Jon!
senorshoebrush 4 years ago
smooth lunge..!
KeySabre 4 years ago