Friedrich Nietzsche and His Thoughts on Socialism

[HoGraz]

Wow.

[Avalon400]

Please! That shitty music has got to go !

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

Though not a politician, the Italian Futurists probably came the closest to embodying the spirit of his meta-politics in a real world political context.

[ElenaXVI]

It's not so much socialism he talks about, but modernity. Capitalism causes even worse herd behavior, egalitarianism and sense of entitlement. Nietzsche would have puked out his entrails if he saw how people today think they're being rebellious by dying their hair pink and shit like that.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@ElenaXVI

Well, he's against modernity in the sense that it embodies a maturation of Christian morality where governmental socialism is merely one by product. To be clear, he's not against modernity in the sense of technology. He's not someone like Julius Evola who thinks we need to return to the medieval times or some past "golden age."

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

I also want to add that I think you've imbibed a lot modern egalitarian conceptions of morality that are simply false and outside the modern West, have no real historical precedent for good reason. Again, the choice is not between: Wall Street materialist and "let's distribute everything equally or "fairly"" materialist.

I don't like to mix politics with philosophical ideas like the ones expressed in this video, but consider the merits of an aristocracy ruled by nobility instead of money.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

I do not support globalist Ponzi schemes, for the record and neither would Nietzsche. There are more views under the sun than just those posited by some naive socialist or capitalist asshole. Both are far more materialistic than anything Nietzsche has to say if you try to really understand him.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

And this has been achieved in pursuit of the "perfect" egalitarian socialist state.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@sketch2k

I think you completely misunderstand the message of his philosophy. Those "savage forces" are the currents of life itself. We mask the essence of life w/ Christian morality (& secular morality), yet it is there for those with the courage to look and see it. Rather than moralizing those forces, the person who says "yes" to life celebrates them by honoring the heroic instead of praising the weak.

The great civilizations and our existence itself is owed to the very forces you condemn.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Yikes, I must have been all pissed off when I wrote that last comment.

I see what you're saying, but I don't see great civilization. I see great decay and the prosperity of the wicked. Global Ponzi schemes. I do not see strength in this.

I owe my existence to Mom and Dad fucking and that somehow creating life.

Who's stronger, mother Gorilla who sacrifices food for her child or other Gorilla who rips the arms off a man for fun and stops any useful harvesting of the corpse?

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@sketch2k

You don't see how our modern ideas of morality cultivate weakness and decay? Our morality is based on sentimentality and "niceness"; not real value. Go outside and look around you. Rap music and thuggery is rampant and simultaneously worshiped. Illegitimate children are semi-fashionable. MTV culture is the order of the day. Neighborhoods and communities all have an anemic sickness to them. None of this is high culture and this downward direction has been our trajectory for some time.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo I see the downward spiral everywhere. It disgusts me to my core. I have been saddened at how we have many camps for retards and no support for strong children of high morality and real strength to cause positive change on earth. We always cater to the lowest common denominator in society.

Rap music, thuggery, MTV culture etc. is not strength. It is a cancerous plague.

Society has weakened me and I know my own downward trajectory while holding higher ideals...

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Still, I do not see how morality cultivates this weakness. Rather, I see Godless men of power manipulating the left brain of the masses to exalt power over them. I see MTV culture not as being based in morality but as direct deception to diminish the potency of man to make him slaves to the society he is in.

We live in a world where paper notes, money or written word, hold more power than man and that to me is weakness.

We have lost our way and no longer live naturally.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo I yearn for a world where people are measured by their thoughts after translated to action. The real value of their energy.

It is important to share. To create synergy on earth through working together to cultivate the individual strengths of man to make us strong as a human family, rather than turning us all into robots in assembly lines where our collective power is diminished.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo I do not think it morally right to keep a vegetated cancer ridden child alive on life support in a war torn nation filled with depleted uranium (or enriched uranium to avoid war crime charges, even though it's more sick) because it is a life of suffering in a body broken by toxicity in a land of no opportunity.

But it was not socialism that allows for this and it's not capitalism or any other word. It is simply men of power suppressing nature for their own gain.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Personally, I see money as the greatest threat to mankind. Everywhere now we talk of financial reform while failing to realize that these fucking bank notes ruin men and reduce them to chained, beaten and turned violent dogs trying to get their piece of beef jerky from 'master'.

People fail to realize that infrastructure is not made of money, it is made of physical material, engineering, and effort - none of which require money.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo One man should plant seeds, another should harvest, and another prepare the food so all should eat. Maybe that sounds like Socialism to you, or communism but I'm simply trying to make a point that no man is an island and we need some element of cooperation to really prosper or live modern life.

This cooperation needs to have a moral foundation based on truth and not deception or it will fail and it is not fair to blanket the earth with one idealistic brush stroke.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Finally, if we do not see ourselves as equals or peers on earth with different strengths, we will be reduced back to this pyramid based ponzi scheme that reduces the under-privileged until they truly are weakened. But I assure you that is not morality that has done this.

I do not wish ill upon those poor 'cancer babies' I described as an example, but reality has created this situation. I never want to see it perpetuated.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Though I would take care of an elder in my family or of friends who contributed his whole life to society and was strong in life and who had some quality of life left and further knowledge to give back to future generations while he lives quietly his remaining days. But I wouldn't ask YOU to cater to this specific man, but assume that you would not leave your own father to rot either.

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo You don't see how morality was never a cornerstone of our modern society. To say it simply in relevant but not 100% accurate metaphor: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"...

We are constantly sold peace in the form of war. Democracy by iron hammer and smart bomb. You have failed to see the wolves in sheep's clothing that have lead us astray over 100 generations.

I believe I understand your statements, but do not fully agree or disagree.

Either way, PEACE!

[sketch2k]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo You also want to share Ice Cream with Crows. Is that not socialist? I guess not because the Crows have self respect and are pretty smart birds who would have figured something out anyway.

I get what you're saying about the currents of life, but if it wasn't for masking them with a conscious mind full of agreements then civilization would be impossible. If not morality then you need trust, honor which is morality. Even to own slaves by force requires leverage through deceit.

[Coolguyrob2006]

It might just be me but it seems Nietzche seems to advocate the the path to socialism is preferable to socialism itself, that the struggle for the good is what brings out the best in humanity.

[clarkewi]

Friedrich Nietzsche went insane. So how could his philosophy be right? Or if it is right, what use is it if he went insane from it?

[MrWestdene1972]

@clarkewi I think rather the world went insane around him and he just gave up and went home !

[clarkewi]

@MrWestdene1972 No HE went insane. And an entire world view called "National Socialism" or "Naziism" developed that ATTEMPTED to make the world go insane. These led by an insane madman by the name of Hitler who idolized insane Nietzche. Thanks to G-d (whom Nietzche denied existed), the British, Americans and Russians these insane people were stopped. Their work has been taken up again however, this time by a group who call their G-d by the name of "Allah". The insane Islamic fundamentalists.

[MrWestdene1972]

@clarkewi you throw the word "insanity" around quite freely but trouble is you are applying it to the wrong people. I nsanity still runs rampant today but not because of arabs. There would never be jihadism or islamic terrorism without judaism first, in which people are taught to hate and kill all non-jewish people. This is the root of it all. The others mechanisms were invented as a reaction nto judaism. Anyone who has ever resisted judaism has ended up with the same fate.

[MrWestdene1972]

@clarkewi Incidentally hitler was financed by the same "insane" people who acted to remove him. There has not been an unprovoked attack in the us since the war of independence from britain. All the rest have been false flag events. By throwing the word God in you are making the same mistake, arrogantly assuming God is somehow only on your side. This is not how God would want people to act, especially his alleged "chosen" ones.

[MrWestdene1972]

@clarkewi These are the Khazars, the Cannanites, the vipers and snakes jesus himself warned us of.Your comments tell me you are either a jew yourself or a christian who loves jews.

[TheNeoAristotelean]

"The highest intelligence and the warmest heart cannot coexist in the same person." At least Nietzsche didn't have the privilege of living to see Einstein, the brilliant physicist and socialist, prove him wrong. The maker of this video did. Take this obviously false garbage down.

[tiakpark]

@TheNeoAristotelean Maybe it would have been better said, "The highest understanding and the warmest heart." Just because a person is intelligent does not mean they understand the first thing about human nature. And most socialists, it seems, just want the power to tell people what to do and what not to do. There is absolutely nothing liberal about socialism. The "people's republic" is the lie of lies when it belongs not to the people but to a dynasty, such as in North Korea.

[kyleshope]

I would have to disagree on the point that a comfortable life for all would retard the growth of intellectualism. Even if it did, and the kindness were only a result of the strife found in Capitalism, I still fail to see how it would really matter.

[commonberus1]

This video has a misleading title.

It has too much music and photos and not much actual thoughts of Nietzshe on socialism.

[menckencynic]

"Whom do I hate most among the rabble of today? The socialist rabble, the chandala apostles, who undermine the instinct, the pleasure, the worker’s sense of satisfaction with his small existence–who make him envious, who teach him revenge. The source of wrong is never unequal rights but the claim of “equal” rights." The AntiChrist, MacMillion version, page 58 (at the top)

[videoclog]

@menckencynic One of my favourite quotes by Nietzsche! This is the first time that I read it in English. Thank you.

[menckencynic]

@videoclog always wanted to learn classical German just to read him in the original. As brilliant as he was, I can't imagine how much more brilliant it would be in the original language. Truly a genius. Wrong about a lot? Yes. But he got right more than any ten men alive.

And he was certainly correct about socialism. How apposite to wisdom his ideas about socialism. Too bad he never wrote his book on the subject like he'd planned- you can still read pieces of it in his great nachlass.

[videoclog]

@menckencynic I'm glad that I can read Nietzsche in German (German is akin to Dutch) but his works are not an easy read. I find Schopenhauer's work more accessible. Nietzsche's work wasn't translated into Dutch a lot during the first half of the twentieth century. Oddloy enough, one of the first Nietzsche experts in the Netherlands was a composer called Alphons Diepenbrock. He set words of Nietzsche ('Im grossen Schweigen') to music. This and other pieces are available here on YouTube I see.

[menckencynic]

@videoclog It could be the language translation you have: in English Nietzsche has had a lot of high quality translators, and as a result he's very easy to read, as Schoepenhaur is. If you read English as well as most Dutch (i.e. better than we Americans and English...sigh), you should find English translations a welcome antidote- after the 1960's a series of new translations came, any number of which should be fast and easy reading. And if you can't find them, I'll send you mine, free postage.

[menckencynic]

By the by, the best English versions I've read have been by MacMillon Press (they have two great translators) and most of the post-Kaufmann era of English language translators (1970's and beyond): all the newest English translations are fluid, easy to read and very accessible.

Kaufmann himself was the first to give a really good, excellent English translation that flowed naturally and didn't seem as if it were another language. I suspect your versions aren't great due to language closeness.

[tiakpark]

There's a funny picture in "Nietzsche for Beginners" of a raging mad Nietzsche about to blungeon to death the collective skulls of Marx and Engels.

It's a really funny picture, you should put it in the video!

[foxofthenight]

meh don't agree we have no examples of such an equil and fair society for one and secondly most of the people we consider too be geniuses were either of the upper class or middle there's rarely a genius from the underclass because they have less time for intellectual endevors they're too buissy staying alive just take a look at our history as a species we started out with constant hard ships then you start agriculture and then with less hardship advances seem too accelerate

[ZBIG8484]

The last quote he saying that when involved in pure thought one must think savagely and place the warm heart aside. One can't think with ones heart. Remember Nietzche fell in love big time and when it didn't work out he was hurt big time. He believed in love but he also believed in pure thought.

[ZBIG8484]

How would a socialist society eliminate geniuses? My guess is they would be put to good use. The perfect state doesn't even seem possible. A requirement of the perfect state could be that geniuses exist. There problem solved. As for the second quote thats called evolution catapililar to butterfly. He is argueing that the perfect state is not achievable for society or individuals. Individuals will always have a dark side its the job of the individual, society, and laws to contain it.

[ozner25]

All previous comment are wrong, Nietzsche's philosophy is clearly opposite to socialism, it doesnt matter if authoritarian or not...

Its also a mistake to think he was a capitalist...

He said that the only nation that had a future was the russian empire of his time, that was an authoritarian fascist-like monarchy, but he even wasnt a fascist, because the truth is, that in fact Nietzsche was beyond the Political spectrum.

[tiakpark]

@ozner25 You should read Liberal fascism if you want the low down on fascism.

Nietzsche despised socialism but he wasn't a capitalist either. The closest you could get to defining his politics (if any) is aristocracy.

Still, if you gotta chose one, chose capitalism. I'd rather be poor and free and then well-cared for and unfree.

[bxjam85]

@tiakpark Nietzsche's political philosophy was indeed inegalitarian and aristocratic.  However, aristocracy is not incompatible with economic liberalism/free-enterprise/cap­italism.

[tiakpark]

@bxjam85 I sometimes wonder how the two systems could ever be compatible and it doesn't seem very likely. Even if there was an aristocratic society where noblemen where charged with protecting commerce, sooner or later the people would want democracy, once they realized the nobility was also an obstacle. And in Republican Roman society, there were noblemen, the Senators, but no Royalty, at least not until the founding of the principate.

Today's nobility and royalty have no power.

[bxjam85]

@tiakpark Capitalism is an economic system. Aristocracy is a political system. Economic liberalism is perfectly compatible with an aristocratic republic ruled by a class of men who distinguish themselves with wealth, manners, honor, courage, creativity and intellect. These men can come directly from aristocratic families or they can ascend from the lower classes and gain the respect of the higher. The aristocratic class must suppress the herd mentality with force and charisma.

[tiakpark]

@bxjam85 As far as I know only one society like that ever existed...

America came close, but we completely missed the mark. Having never had a history of aristocracy, the only form of manners and dignity we had were left behind residually from pervious cultures. With nothing to encourage or even enforce dignity and nobility such things eventually fadded away. Now all we have left are bunch of existentialist cry-babies and opinionated, political talking heads.

I fear for my country's future.

[bxjam85]

@tiakpark Well said. America came close but we completely missed the mark. The future of this country and the rest of Western civilization doesn't look good. We are witnessing the destiny of egalitarian democratic republics; lack of social order, family breakdown, emasculation, overwhelming debt, short time-preferences, consumerism, big government and demagogue politicians who lead the lambs to the slaughter. I can only hope that a new nobility will come out of this and rule over the masses.

[ZYKLONBKILLSHITLER]

He is only regarding the authoritarian socialism where people are not being truly in control because the govt remains in power. He in this passage basically questions all state authority. Not like he was a capitalist.

[elitebanktyranny]

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

- Abraham Lincoln, Letter to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864.

[blastingcaps]

Dont worry dude, The worst that can happen is you get killed, but look at the bright side..if they start that kinda shit you get a chance for a little REAL action in life...as opposed to this monday night football fat ass nightmare called america right now.

[Patavinity]

This is completely Fascist. "Life should retain its violent character"

[Pindol1]

u are a fascist u liberal idiot

[Patavinity]

I'm not a Liberal, I'm a Socialist

[MrJohnnyBQuick]

So you're authoritarian and anti-capitalist? Perhaps you are closer to being fascist than you would like to think.

[Patavinity]

Well... I'm anti-capitalist but not authoritarian.

[blastingcaps]

It will no matter what. Trying to impose peace and brotherhood will be, and has been just as bloody as anything.

The UN thinks it needs guns...so there ya go.

[VanDoodah]

Nietzsche was mad. Literally mad. The guy clearly hated/loathed everything.

[tiakpark]

@VanDoodah Quite the opposite.

Know that bitch who made Persepolis? She was what you're describing.

[amsterdam78]

Nietzsche was also suicidally depressed. It's hard to imagine him seeing the hope socialism has to offer.

Shity video

[Billyothon]

So, you harbor and promote bias against those suffering from mental illness? Quite the attitude. And, apparently you're too obtuse to grasp the intent of the video.... oh well, 'a commie by any other name, eh"?

[luverboy30]

amsterdam is a commie. go ahead and click on his channel theres communist shit all ober the place.

[timetochilli]

@luverboy30 amsterdahm isnt commie if der commie den ur a ultra capitalist fat bastard, cowboy racist christian disgustin dog native american killing pilgrim wanker cunt jesus worshipping, not believing in evolution gun loving, war mongering, the lowest iq in the world, ridiculous bible bashinh nation

[DoesNotApply]

@Billyothon Did you say obtuse?

[ghjurx452]

@Billyothon you are a bad person

[11pinrelay]

@ghjurx452 But without him you wouldn't seem so good in comparison.

[bertly71]

Great video.

[Illumirage]

What is this song from? Sounds really familiar.

Good video Imitator.

[teloscaylos]

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

[Billyothon]

Superb. Very well done video.

[HippiesAreNazis]

free spirit....isn't that a brand of feminine napkin or something?

[HippiesAreNazis]

Fucking load of Satanic socialist Nazi hippie bullshit if you ask me.

Fuck Nietzsche, Marx, Hitler and Obama.

Fuck Germany. Fuck Islam. Fuck whacko liberalism.

Fuck Hollywood and it's bizarro liberal satanic cults as well.

[DangeloM27]

HIS WORK WAS A JOKE