HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! So many people trying to pidgeon-hole Taiji. They try to say it uses only this force and not that. They say that this is wrestling and not Taiji. They say that this is Kungfu and not Taiji. PLEASE show me and the rest of the world how you handle a wrestler, boxer, kickboxer, BJJ, or MMA practitioner and make it look different than this. So much talk and not enough doing. You guys are pathetic!
Check out my master toss and bonce me arround on YouTube gary lam Taiji. The 2nd clip have some push hand demo. Once I touch my master. I feel my feet of the ground can not balance. There is no way to have chance hold together with him
@bdzbk1 I didnt see any gongfu...only taiji philosophy in practice. Taijiquan means grand ultimate boxing or fist. Its not taiji unless it has elements of boxing in it.
@catkong7 It may be in certain settings, but it certainly is not in many others. Not only does it not look like push hands, it barely looks like taijiquan. The gentleman in the black shirt is exerting external energy via his shoulder muscles in every one of those throws. They aren't coming up from his root at all. I normally don't get into the politics of taijiquan, but if this is "real", "applied" Chen, I'm glad I study Yang.
@jhimm well lets see this guy is from chen village and all all the other chen village competitions look exactly like this so i think they would know what real tai chi is :)
Interesting. Can you replicate what Chen Bing does? Can you throw people around like that, even in a semi-resistant setting like that? If so, I would love to visit you where you're at and show me the "goods". Not a challenge, but if you think you got something better than what Chen style people have, I would love to train with you.
@Genesys80 There are various ways to transliterate Chinese into Latin phonetic symbols. Tai Chi Chuan and Taijiquan are two ways of writing the same thing from the Chinese. However, note that there are five distinct family styles of taijiquan Chen, Yang, Hao, Wu and Sun. Yang style is what we see most commonly in the Western world, while this demonstration is by a Chen style master.
@Genesys80 There are various ways to transliterate Chinese into Latin phonetic symbols. Tai Chi Chuan and Taijiquan are two ways of writing the same thing from the Chinese. However, note that there are five distinct family styles of taijiquan Chen, Yang, Hao, Wu and Sun. Yang style is what we see most commonly in the Western world, while this demonstration is by a Chen style master.
@Genesys80 There are various ways to transliterate Chinese into Latin phonetic symbols. Tai Chi Chuan and Taijiquan are two ways of writing the same thing from the Chinese. However, note that there are five distinct family styles of taijiquan Chen, Yang, Hao, Wu and Sun. Yang style is what we see most commonly in the Western world, while this demonstration is by a Chen style master.
Wrestled my whole life since about 3 when I started to walk. I would say this is real and that man is a wrestler who is truly clenching. I'm not saying he is an achieved wrestler. I started studying tai chi couple years back after a spinal surgery stopped me wrestling and the moves seen here are not hard to learn but require a proper teacher and everyday solo form practice of very precise angled movements while properly coordinating hips shoulders, knees and elbows , and breathing.
Here's an experiment: go find an instructional *demo* on a "western" wrestling move (say, the "lateral"). Observe how the wrestling partner of the instructor does not really try to take his head off or take out his legs; he just plays along. Now, observe the comments section. Huh! There's a conspicuous lack of MMA goons saying thing like "This is crap/fake/etc.! He's not even *trying* to resist! It's as if he was told not to resist!!!"
@dnmehay Answer to that question: Because he's showing legit moves that work on wrestlers. The guy in this video wasn't a wrestler, and he certainly was allowing the tai chi master to throw him with something that would never work against a real wrestler. How do I know that? Because I wrestle haha this isn't some sport that you can learn some "hidden" technique and use effectively. Everything has been known for hundreds of years.
@newerest1 You know that this guy was "letting" Chen Bing throw him because...oh, you don't. You just assume he is. If you look closely, Chen Bing is exploiting small gaps in his opponent's balance, and he is also using "wen jin" ("asking for", or "borrowing" force), by pushing or pulling and then, immediately when his opponent reacts, moving in the exact opposite direction, thus making it look effortlessly powerful and "fake". There is a whole pile of stuff happening that you can't see.
@dnmehay yes I do know. I have wrestled freestyle and greco for over 16 years. I can see pressure in the clinch. I have spent YEARS just in the over under control. YEARS. What wrestling tournaments has chen bing won?
@newerest1 I also intentionally placed scare quotes around "western", when referring to western-style wrestling, because many of the moves that, say, American collegiate wrestlers use were borrowed from eastern styles many years ago. So what you're seeing here is one of the original sources of good ol' western fighting sports. It isn't a surprise, then, that you would see this stuff and say "That's a move that every wraaastler already knows". Of course they do, but not as well as this guy.
You guys act like MMA fighters cannot adapt to a street fight. Money on the MMA fighter, he can do whatever the other guy can do x100. As for the video, this is a simple position for wrestlers, known as the LATERAL. Well good luck with your training (:
@novanine9 taijiquan has many great take down and qin na methods contained therein. You should do some research before your words get ahead of your knowledge.
@novanine9 I don't know why you put WC and Taiji together. If you compared the 2 when they punch, you'll notice a difference in the power generation. Also Taiji does utilize strikes, you can see this in chen taiji, the oldest taiji style, especially. Your misconception is probably due to the popularity of yang taiji which emphasizes less on fajin on the empty hand forms.
@novanine9 This is incorrect. Taijiquan is not a "part of Shaolin". Neither is it incomplete without being supplemented by a hard, external style. Shaolin is a Buddhist system. Taijiquan is a Taoist system. They have many similar roots and ideas, but they are 100% distinct. Also, Taijiquan means "grand ultimate fist". It requires no other system to be both effective and devastating.
@chentaichiacademy take note of what? It would be more useful for the MMA community if the guy was actually lunging towards his legs to take him down like a good wrestler would, and Master Chen would be unaffected. In all attacks, the guy goes to grab his shoulders, stays high. It's as if he was told to only grab and hold on to the master and not actually apply any techniques.
@crabbit87 i think sprawling is one of the many ways to neutralized a waist grab , perhaps tai chi has their own ways , tactics or tech to counter a grab ? however also note that the sensitivity of tai chi is not easy to acquire compare to muscle building , or muscle strength tech .
when you attain a higher degree of skill, sprawling is not needed.
like everyone said, mma is a sport. a skilled martial artist would send your body flying in two directions if somebody shot for his legs. i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to do that in a mma fight
@zrvs Hold on what? you are saying you arent allowed to throw in mma? I can tell this comment is coming from someone who has never defended a double or single leg takedown. And if you are going to sit here and say there are better ways to defend leg attacks then sprawling than dont you think master wrestlers that have dedicated a lifetime to the sport would have figured that out. obviously your opinion is biased and illogical
@zrvs You're an idiot. Sprawling totally is needed. Lol is this a joke? You never stop sprawling when someone shoots in on you. Seriously is this a joke? Are you stopping his level change with mind bullets? jesus christ
Is this real? It seems almost as if the guy in the blue isn't really trying to take Chen Bing down, but then again is it that he's trying and just unable, or what? If this is real, this is awesome!
congratulations one of the most credible push hands video with someone who is odiously train in grappling and is not 100lbs. You can really tell the rooting power of the master.
Really Interesting. I watched this in 3x slow-motion and i love the throw on 0:20, the guy slightly shiftes his balance to his left leg but his center of gravity is slightly held back and the Master must have felt that and just goes full out and BAM!
I wonder if it was just a grappling contest between this master and some MMA pros (no punching, kicking, etc) how he'd do.
total BS. giev ti a rest. MMA has exposed all the phony , fake eastern "masters". have him go enter a small local mma match and he wil not throw someone who isnt "working" with him to get the effect. guys like this are nothign more than snake oil salesmen
The MMA has not proven anything. It's a sport. In real life, limbs would be broken, including fingers and such. Do you even know anything of martial arts? I may not know a lot, but I know much more than you.
@Siberianhusky89 errr you are an idiot, there has been many much less regulated MMA than the UFC like rioheroes that fight without gloves and virtually no rules, i dont get your point about broken bones, thats the whole point of submissions, holds that break and dislocate arms, the fighter taps out to avoid injury, because you cannot win a fight with a broken arm anyway.
Injury is something that won't be avoided on the streets. So what does the UFC prove if you can't use any of those methods that avoid the very thing you would avoid on the streets? Also, I would appreciate it if you didn't insult me. You may give your opinion, but you must yield from what you've stated. My opinion is that the eastern arts are not "bullshit" in real life situations. You see?
@Siberianhusky89 Injury means defeat in a fight, you cannot win a fight with a severe injury, so in a street fight you get caught in a heel lock, you get your ankle broken and lose, in MMA you tap out to avoid such injury and you lose too.
So what is the difference here? what rules from MMA are stopping these easter martial artists to dominate?
Well, you are not allowed to headbutt, eye gouge, hair pull, bite (not techniques normally used), put your fingers in areas that that are openings in the body, hit the groin, strike the opponent's spinal area or the back of the head, break their small joints (fingers and toes), or strike at the trachea. This may sound cheap, but on the streets it's more kill or be killed... I'd rather not be killed.
I never stated that. I was simply putting forth the rules of the MMA. Also, have you missed the rest? I would only assume so considering that striking the back of the head and breaking small joints can be pretty vital. If you break small joints, it'd be hard to punch with broken fingers, let alone grab. Also, striking the spinal chord can leave severe injury if done correctly, as well as striking the trachea. As I stated, hair pulling and biting are not really used in martial arts.
@Siberianhusky89 so you are saying that not allowing breaking fingers and hitting the throat is stopping eastern martial arts from dominating MMA? that is fucking absurd.
You think no martial art in this world could beat an MMA figher in a kick, punch and grappling match without using "dirty tricks"? pathetic.
Also for the record, there are MMA organizations which allow those all the things you mentioned, FYI.
Dirty tricks? There is no such thing in a fight. In competition, there are rules. In a real fight, it's a whole new story. There are no dirty tricks. If someone is to punch you on the street then pull out a gun, is that considered a dirty trick? It's a fight my friend. You either win or lose. Also, there might be some, but almost all that have these rules. They are Universal rules of MMA and the rules are there so the battles can be more safe and long.
No, you're taking my words and twisting them. Now stop cursing, twisting my words and never STATED that. You stated "pull hairing" and "Oh, this is cheap". Anyhow, whomever is the better fighter wins, end of story.
@Siberianhusky89 you failed to answer the question, eastern martial artists get absolutely raped in MMA, why is that? because they can gouge eyes and kick groins etc? really? without that they cannot beat an MMA fighter?
@baalshin; you are only half correct about what you said. Most so called kung fu, tai chi or eastern martial artists as you called it might get their asses kick in MMA. But that's because they don't train to fight. You have to remember that all MMA fighters learn eastern martial arts. Everything from wrestling to punching and kicking, all come from eastern martial arts. Just give you a few: jiujitsu, judo, muay thai, and karate.
@baalshin; And dont think boxing and wrestling are not eastern martial arts either. If you are a martial artist, you should know that a japanese master beat the best US wrestler in just seconds back in the days and wrestling was then refined. And as for boxing, if you do some research. Boxing has adopted karate and kung fu skills. How to ground oneself and position oneself to get more power to punch. Back in the days, boxing was paty cakes. Boxing has been refined just as wrestling.
@ironcu Please name these wrestlers you are talking about. I will say one of the best wrestlers to wrestle in college (Okie State) was a Japanese wrestler. Yojiro Uetake.
Also of course a lot of our martial arts are Eastern influenced, we are a much newer country.
@baalshin; you are only half correct about what you said. Most so called kung fu, tai chi or eastern martial artists as you called it might get their asses kick in MMA. But that's because they don't train to fight. You have to remember that all MMA fighters learn eastern martial arts. Everything from wrestling to punching and kicking, all come from eastern martial arts. Just give you a few: jiujitsu, judo, muay thai, and karate.
@ironcu Also you have to remember that wrestling is one of the oldest sports, very popular in ancient Greece. It's mentioned in the the oldest text in the world, "The Epic of Giglamesh" and is one of the first sports mentioned in the bible.
Currently the best wrestlers come from Eastern Europe and Iran.
@baalshin Where are your personal videos proving this? Where is a legit eastern art put against an "MMA brawler"? Nowhere, because the difference between you blood hungry North Americans and people who study a legit eastern art is that, they AVOID fighting.
@Sentnl you know absolutely nothing about MMA when you call them brawlers, you realize that most of them have black belts in BJJ, there are many olimpic medalist wrestlers and sambo world champions right?.
Also every single traditional martial artist has been destroyed, if you want to see them just watch early UFCs and that was when MMA was so unpolished it was ridiculous.
Thats why the gracie family took shitty jiujitsu and crated brazilian jiujitsu that is very effective in mma
@Sentnl That is stupid martial arts are not designed to kill you dumbfuck, ive studied taekwondo for 5 years and i missed the fucking eye gouging 101 class, or the bite the throat lessons too.
A rear naked choke, a guillotine or pretty much any choke done very often in MMA is 100% deadly, the referee stops the fight before the other guy dies obviously.
Its not what martial arts are designed to do, but that they are ineffective and ridiculous, the kicks, the stands, the open hand attacks, lol
@baalshin I clearly said battlefield, not whatever you're talking about. Resorting to anger on the internet just shows how little you actually comprehend.
On a battlefield, wrestling (I'm stripping it to the basics) will not keep you alive. Anything that forces you to be off of your feet, will kill you.
On a battlefield, when projectile weapons aren't in question, a soldier will not try to take his opponent to the ground, because that enemy soldier, will have friends.
@Sentnl I didn't realize that battlefield combat is won with hand to hand fighting, idiot. It's not. COMBAT is fought with WEAPONS, not hands. This art is nothing for combat. You'd be dead if you tried to use this bullshit in TRUE COMBAT.
@newerest1 - In combat, weapons are used. However, weapons can be dropped, broken, dis-armed. Not to mention, when letting a weapon go is more effective. Hand to hand is also used when weapons were not allowed in places, or if you were caught without a weapon & a fight took place. Real combat, is training for ANY and ALL situations.
@newerest1 In fact, Chen style taijiquan has many in depth and applicable weapons training methods. But one, most have a firm grasp in all the bare hand methods, techniques and acquired skills and "qualities"- for example peng jing or ground strength.
Weapons include, broad sword, long sword-single and double, staff, spear (trekking of weapons)-before guns, of course.
@Sentnl though it is the supreme fist, tai chi follows the rule of life and is actually not to kill but to not be killed instead. the core of tai chi is the art of breathing and life. If a practitioner uses their chi in a negative manner they will recieve the repercussions of it unlike hard martial arts which use only physical strength
@Sentnl If you could provide me with a list of 'legit' Eastern arts I could almost certainly find you a clip of someone from at least one of them getting their ass handed to them in an MMA ring, unless your definition of a legit art automatically disqualifies anyone who participates in MMA.
@ooogooman Alot of eastern arts are useless in "MMA" because "MMA" is a sport, with rules. The eastern artist would be disqualified, let alone, charged for murder, if they used their art in the way it was created, to kill. To go for the zero-sum and trade another mans life for their own.
I'm not saying I have killer martial instincts, but there are teachers out there, that do. They just don't make themselves known on tv, or in competition, because they're peace keepers.
@baalshin you're misapplying the context of the art. tai chi and other eastern arts were developed to fight in the real world. all those "dirty tricks" are used in order to survive, not to win a 1 on 1 match in front of cameras. how useful is a rear naked choke hold in a bar fight when your target has two of his buddies with chairs or broken bottles? mma was designed to have different styles compete in a controlled setting.
@baalshin while it may say something about how effective the styles are in their relation to the rules set forth in MMA, how successful an art is in the ring has no bearing on it's utility in the real world.
idiots that went in with "ninjutsu" in the octagon exemplify this, you can't use weapons and "ninja" aren't supposed to attack out in the open. not to mention historically they were spies and never actually dressed the way they do in fiction, more so they posed as monks or commoners.
@GuerillahTacTikz BJJ is only effective in 1-1 fighting that is very well known, martial arts are trash im a black belt in taekwondo and its absolutely trash wont discuss this any longer.
That aside the key word is that the student was being "thrown" literally! He wasn't tripped or hip-tosssed he was driven thru the hips, off his feet and on his ass by a guy coniderable smaller. The exposive power is unquestionable.
The "student" was being thrown -- he made no "real" effort to throw blows.
I've fought Grecco guys and Catch Wrestlers -- let me tell you this "tai chi" guy would not have it this easy; those guys hustle and they actually attempt throws and never look so casual in a head and arm position.
Let Tai Chi remain "gorgeous" and "health promoting" stop trying to force the illusion -- train BJJ and Tai Chi together; this one-stop-shop mentality dilutes the efficacy of both.
@OctoBox Only the student knows how hard he was trying to throw Bing but it looked like he just wasn't being allowed. Until you spar with a genuine tai chi expert you;ll not appreciate how quickly they can feel weight distribution changes and prevent attacks before they get a chance to start. This makes it look like the opponant isn't trying.
Well, just remember that just because a Sifu is a Sifu, a Master is a Master, doesn't mean he has to beat the entire world or be the best in the universe. Even if he loses to some fighters, that doesn't mean he isn't a master in his own right. Knowledge is something not everyone can possess, and certainly not something a NON-true master can impart - easily and effectively. I wonder if Mike Tyson is capable of imparting anything other than being stupidly brutal. =)
@lucidmist actually knowledge is something we all can possess it is WISDOM that very few posses for in order to achieve wisdom one must combine knowledge with life experience. That is what truly separates the masters from the rest of us.
And as far as Tyson goes he has the great misfortune of being trained the same way most Westerners were trained to fight: relying on brute strength and muscles alone. Time and time again it has been proven that can only work for so long...
that because a majority of those who seek a master are looking for someone to help them increase their power not to broaden their mind which is the first and primary function of master. Your master should do more than strengthen you physically they should be guiding you down the path that strengthens your mind, body, and soul
The subject havng his ass handed to him in the video is me. I am an exponent of Chen family boxing. I held this seminar to bring Chen Style into the combat arena. And to those of you who care...I couldnt walk for a week after the seminar. the only ones that were posted on the crash mat. I will post the ones that were done full force on the hard wood floor. Michael Graycar, or if your in Miami...find me...I will show you the way.
Great respect to you for grappling with such a distinguished master. May I ask whether you were resisting sifu Bing's techniques (and actively searching for openings yourself) or whether this is just to be regarded as a demonstration of Tai Chi throws?
I have to say thanks a lot. I used this video many times to show what Tai Ji is really all about. To many people are disrespectful to the true arts, the same arts if it was not for would not have such things like mma and ufc today.
@taijiboxer954 Props to you for having the nads to endure that. My old tai chi instructor used the one at 0:36 and knocked the wind out of me. I couldn't do anything for the rest of the practice session.
@taijiboxer954 wow, just by watching the video I thought you might have been a freestyle wrestler or grappler. can you describe what you felt in terms of energy flow when you got thrown at the end of the this video? I'm assuming being a Taiji exponent, you were already relaxed and sunk?
@taijiboxer954 Hi, I've recently become very interested in Tai Chi Chuan. You mind telling me where to start? I already practice Wing Chun and you can watch my light sparring video on my channel. Thanks!
this was real cool. i would like to see more tai chi chuan sparing practice done with mma trained athletes. one of the things that has always bothered me about most contemporary martial arts practice is that they usually do all of there sparing against there own style of fighting, and have little to no idea how to respond to a different style when the practitioner is of equal or greater skill, size, speed, ect.
It is dangerous to throw someone who is not prepared for it. Where he to throw a student of another art that student could easily hurt himself. If I personally had been thrown like that guy I can see myself with anything from a broken wrist to a broken neck.
Machida uses chi to defeat alot of people in the UFC. It is super effective and on average he takes 1 good punch from his opponent in 2 1/2 rounds. I am going to try Shaolin and I hope im the first in MMA to do it. No, not even started yet....
GO for it man I suppoert u all the way its never the art its the fighter as long as u have a good idea of gorund grappling and such then ull be fine Cung Le and machida both know whats up yet they never really fight on the ground
@xcskier871 while yes it's not the flowy dance-like drill of push hands people are accustomed, this would appear more to be the actual application of the drills, that or a very crisp demo of the possibilities learned through push-hands. Kung Fu doesn't actually look like in those cheesy 80s movies, or like in those high flying wire-fu movies of today. Fighting is quick, dirty, ugly, and over before you know it.
Well, that wrestler is not a random MMA guy - he's a taiji student, taking part in a demo - NOT just one of the MMA guys who was hanging around. ANd he is, obviously, not hitting back, or doing any of the resistance techniques we would expect from MMA. But - it's a demo - and a good one, showing amazing ability to throw heavier people. Can he do it against serious, resistant, dangerous opposition which strkes and wrestles back? Well, we'd all sure like to see, no matter our position on this!
Yes, the other guy is not fighting back, but you still have to give him credit for tossing around a guy that is at least 40lbs heavier than himself, and appreciate the crispness and sharpness the way he did it.
Philosophies of the type "If I got in a fight with a boxer/wrestler/mma stylist I'd just..." are pretty naive, stmk0 - all right in theory, but not usually proved true in practice. I'm pretty sure Chen Bing could do that against an average scrub - and I'm sure most MMA fights would be very different in a real no rules, fight for you rlife setting - but throwing a genuinely resisting opponent can be a lot, lot harder than it seems in theory.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! So many people trying to pidgeon-hole Taiji. They try to say it uses only this force and not that. They say that this is wrestling and not Taiji. They say that this is Kungfu and not Taiji. PLEASE show me and the rest of the world how you handle a wrestler, boxer, kickboxer, BJJ, or MMA practitioner and make it look different than this. So much talk and not enough doing. You guys are pathetic!
Bluesiytangco 1 day ago in playlist Favorite videos
high skilled chen tuishou practicioner.. )
Siddthartha 2 days ago
This is not "push hands", this is wrestling.
MrErszenyKrisztian 1 week ago
OH FUCK, that was awesome!! did you see how small he was compared to him! it was like throwing a toy around
LOLittleHero 1 week ago
damn that guy's root and fajing are fuckin powerful!
eaglespear1 2 weeks ago
one step closer to see Chinese Martial Arts in the cage
iexcalibui2 1 month ago
Check out my master toss and bonce me arround on YouTube gary lam Taiji. The 2nd clip have some push hand demo. Once I touch my master. I feel my feet of the ground can not balance. There is no way to have chance hold together with him
bdzbk1 2 months ago
That's great kongfu but don't call Taiji because it's nothing related with taiji
bdzbk1 2 months ago
@bdzbk1 I didnt see any gongfu...only taiji philosophy in practice. Taijiquan means grand ultimate boxing or fist. Its not taiji unless it has elements of boxing in it.
zanghi79 2 months ago
@zanghi79 not correct
valgorlin 1 week ago
@valgorlin lol right, thanks for clarifying.
zanghi79 1 week ago
That is excellent push.
ehisey 3 months ago
@zenhatesyou No I don't there was no intelligent commitment, just an uke.
JeffreyJamesLippold 3 months ago
How is this "push hands"? This is wrestling.
jhimm 4 months ago
@jhimm agreed. Surprising that he is a representative of Chen village.
liverqiconstraint 4 months ago
@jhimm this is what real push hands is and this is what tai chi looks like when its applied.
catkong7 4 months ago
@catkong7 It may be in certain settings, but it certainly is not in many others. Not only does it not look like push hands, it barely looks like taijiquan. The gentleman in the black shirt is exerting external energy via his shoulder muscles in every one of those throws. They aren't coming up from his root at all. I normally don't get into the politics of taijiquan, but if this is "real", "applied" Chen, I'm glad I study Yang.
jhimm 4 months ago
@jhimm well lets see this guy is from chen village and all all the other chen village competitions look exactly like this so i think they would know what real tai chi is :)
catkong7 4 months ago
@jhimm
Interesting. Can you replicate what Chen Bing does? Can you throw people around like that, even in a semi-resistant setting like that? If so, I would love to visit you where you're at and show me the "goods". Not a challenge, but if you think you got something better than what Chen style people have, I would love to train with you.
eltronrangamma 3 months ago
@jhimm that's what push hands is like in Chen Village. This is what Chen style is for.
ajaben 3 months ago
@Genesys80: Yes, Taijiquan and Tai Chi Chuan are one and the same.
Bluesiytangco 5 months ago
Amazing! What is the exact name of this style? I see there is written Taijiquan, is it the same as Tai Chi Quan?
Genesys80 5 months ago
@Genesys80 There are various ways to transliterate Chinese into Latin phonetic symbols. Tai Chi Chuan and Taijiquan are two ways of writing the same thing from the Chinese. However, note that there are five distinct family styles of taijiquan Chen, Yang, Hao, Wu and Sun. Yang style is what we see most commonly in the Western world, while this demonstration is by a Chen style master.
jhimm 4 months ago
@Genesys80 There are various ways to transliterate Chinese into Latin phonetic symbols. Tai Chi Chuan and Taijiquan are two ways of writing the same thing from the Chinese. However, note that there are five distinct family styles of taijiquan Chen, Yang, Hao, Wu and Sun. Yang style is what we see most commonly in the Western world, while this demonstration is by a Chen style master.
jhimm 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Genesys80 There are various ways to transliterate Chinese into Latin phonetic symbols. Tai Chi Chuan and Taijiquan are two ways of writing the same thing from the Chinese. However, note that there are five distinct family styles of taijiquan Chen, Yang, Hao, Wu and Sun. Yang style is what we see most commonly in the Western world, while this demonstration is by a Chen style master.
jhimm 4 months ago
Whooooooly crap this is good. Threw that nigga!!!
judutchinski 8 months ago
I like TaiJiquan, but this guy was just a good uke. He never went for a throw or countered with an overhook, or rethrow.
JeffreyJamesLippold 8 months ago 4
@JeffreyJamesLippold you don't think he was going for something at 00:33?
zenhatesyou 3 months ago
@JeffreyJamesLippold I mean more like 00:30
zenhatesyou 3 months ago
Wrestled my whole life since about 3 when I started to walk. I would say this is real and that man is a wrestler who is truly clenching. I'm not saying he is an achieved wrestler. I started studying tai chi couple years back after a spinal surgery stopped me wrestling and the moves seen here are not hard to learn but require a proper teacher and everyday solo form practice of very precise angled movements while properly coordinating hips shoulders, knees and elbows , and breathing.
Kippest 8 months ago 2
Here's an experiment: go find an instructional *demo* on a "western" wrestling move (say, the "lateral"). Observe how the wrestling partner of the instructor does not really try to take his head off or take out his legs; he just plays along. Now, observe the comments section. Huh! There's a conspicuous lack of MMA goons saying thing like "This is crap/fake/etc.! He's not even *trying* to resist! It's as if he was told not to resist!!!"
Rhetorical question: why do you suppose that is?
dnmehay 9 months ago
@dnmehay Answer to that question: Because he's showing legit moves that work on wrestlers. The guy in this video wasn't a wrestler, and he certainly was allowing the tai chi master to throw him with something that would never work against a real wrestler. How do I know that? Because I wrestle haha this isn't some sport that you can learn some "hidden" technique and use effectively. Everything has been known for hundreds of years.
newerest1 8 months ago
@newerest1 You know that this guy was "letting" Chen Bing throw him because...oh, you don't. You just assume he is. If you look closely, Chen Bing is exploiting small gaps in his opponent's balance, and he is also using "wen jin" ("asking for", or "borrowing" force), by pushing or pulling and then, immediately when his opponent reacts, moving in the exact opposite direction, thus making it look effortlessly powerful and "fake". There is a whole pile of stuff happening that you can't see.
dnmehay 8 months ago
@dnmehay yes I do know. I have wrestled freestyle and greco for over 16 years. I can see pressure in the clinch. I have spent YEARS just in the over under control. YEARS. What wrestling tournaments has chen bing won?
newerest1 8 months ago
@newerest1 I also intentionally placed scare quotes around "western", when referring to western-style wrestling, because many of the moves that, say, American collegiate wrestlers use were borrowed from eastern styles many years ago. So what you're seeing here is one of the original sources of good ol' western fighting sports. It isn't a surprise, then, that you would see this stuff and say "That's a move that every wraaastler already knows". Of course they do, but not as well as this guy.
dnmehay 8 months ago
shoulda just gone for a double leg
chiefbroom 9 months ago
sick
longshot67 10 months ago
Incredible! It changed all my views about grappling, and I'm a wrestler.
junglemanlawyer1 1 year ago
You guys act like MMA fighters cannot adapt to a street fight. Money on the MMA fighter, he can do whatever the other guy can do x100. As for the video, this is a simple position for wrestlers, known as the LATERAL. Well good luck with your training (:
StopWiththeBull 1 year ago
摔好遠喔
厲害!!
topjba1989 1 year ago
Thanks for taking the punishment in the name of Taiqi.
Adofunkstar 1 year ago
see what happens to simple mma
FLpolo 1 year ago 10
@FLpolo It's a technique demonstration, not a sparring match....
MartialArts4Ever 9 months ago
@MartialArts4Ever that would make sense
crabbit87 9 months ago
@FLpolo Your right Tai Chi is the perfect complete ultimate martial art. why study anything else?
crabbit87 9 months ago
@crabbit87 - tai chi is only the wrestling part....you need shaolin boxing and chin na to be complete.
novanine9 8 months ago
@novanine9 taijiquan has many great take down and qin na methods contained therein. You should do some research before your words get ahead of your knowledge.
cdonnahee 7 months ago
@cdonnahee - Are you retarded?
THAT'S MY ASSERTION...WE ARE STATING THE SAME THING, IDIOT.
tai chi is the wrestling soft part of shaolin
IT IS INCOMPLETE WITHOUT THE WING CHUN BOXING SIDE.
YOU WOULD NEED BOTH
WING CHUN HAS CHIN NA TECHNIQUES AS WELL
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST SUPPLEMENTING THE CHIN NA WITH EAGLE CLAW FOR IN DEPTH
novanine9 7 months ago
@novanine9 I don't know why you put WC and Taiji together. If you compared the 2 when they punch, you'll notice a difference in the power generation. Also Taiji does utilize strikes, you can see this in chen taiji, the oldest taiji style, especially. Your misconception is probably due to the popularity of yang taiji which emphasizes less on fajin on the empty hand forms.
rectinum 7 months ago
@novanine9 This is incorrect. Taijiquan is not a "part of Shaolin". Neither is it incomplete without being supplemented by a hard, external style. Shaolin is a Buddhist system. Taijiquan is a Taoist system. They have many similar roots and ideas, but they are 100% distinct. Also, Taijiquan means "grand ultimate fist". It requires no other system to be both effective and devastating.
jhimm 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@crabbit87 - tai chi is only the wrestling part....you need shaolin wing chun boxing and chin na to be complete.
novanine9 8 months ago
very interesting I have experienced similar stuff and it realli works. Imagine this in the hands of a wrestler...he would be a killer in the ring
bangermccrusher 1 year ago
Hi
what is the fighting style of the guy in blue?
thanks
Anglostani 1 year ago
@Anglostani he is MMA fighter
LaurenzoFang 10 months ago
Wonderful & Thx for sharing
victoriliqchuan 1 year ago
Taichi contains kick, punch,wrestling,and capture techniques. The clip demostrates wrestling in taichi.
hochengyuan 1 year ago
Over-under position from wrestling. Seems like a lot of these techniques aren't practical if person knows what they are doing in it.
Looks very much like a demo, you can tell the guy is exaggerating the falls
mrpeepers06145 1 year ago
Looks like wrestling to me.
QueUnlimited 1 year ago
May the MMA community please take note,
chentaichiacademy 1 year ago 2
@chentaichiacademy take note of what? It would be more useful for the MMA community if the guy was actually lunging towards his legs to take him down like a good wrestler would, and Master Chen would be unaffected. In all attacks, the guy goes to grab his shoulders, stays high. It's as if he was told to only grab and hold on to the master and not actually apply any techniques.
wushumaro 1 year ago
@wushumaro Chen style has solutions for low grabs too, only they are not so pleasant as the grabber's face is very close to a knee.
chentaichiacademy 1 year ago 2
@chentaichiacademy Thats what everybody said they were gonna do to royce gracie. We all know what become of those who dont sprawl.
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 i think sprawling is one of the many ways to neutralized a waist grab , perhaps tai chi has their own ways , tactics or tech to counter a grab ? however also note that the sensitivity of tai chi is not easy to acquire compare to muscle building , or muscle strength tech .
nathanwatches 1 year ago
@crabbit87
when you attain a higher degree of skill, sprawling is not needed.
like everyone said, mma is a sport. a skilled martial artist would send your body flying in two directions if somebody shot for his legs. i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to do that in a mma fight
zrvs 9 months ago
@zrvs Hold on what? you are saying you arent allowed to throw in mma? I can tell this comment is coming from someone who has never defended a double or single leg takedown. And if you are going to sit here and say there are better ways to defend leg attacks then sprawling than dont you think master wrestlers that have dedicated a lifetime to the sport would have figured that out. obviously your opinion is biased and illogical
crabbit87 9 months ago
@zrvs You're an idiot. Sprawling totally is needed. Lol is this a joke? You never stop sprawling when someone shoots in on you. Seriously is this a joke? Are you stopping his level change with mind bullets? jesus christ
newerest1 8 months ago
Is this real? It seems almost as if the guy in the blue isn't really trying to take Chen Bing down, but then again is it that he's trying and just unable, or what? If this is real, this is awesome!
wushumaro 1 year ago
tony jaa is the obnly and best
ersguterjunge467 1 year ago
I think it depends on your opponent also. Any body realised any thing about the MMA fighter's power & techniques during this session?
chianpen 1 year ago
wow and they say 太極 is not useful in combat
Mclarenbaby 1 year ago
Whoa!
QueniasNolik 1 year ago
is 陳氏太極!
ppp636 1 year ago
Ok if this is real this dude is the shit, and I wanna learn this
jheers1 1 year ago 2
Yep, Chen Bing is a descendent of the Chen family Taijiquan, hence his last name being Chen. I believe he teaches in Chenjiagou village in Wenxian
Capoeirista81 1 year ago
congratulations one of the most credible push hands video with someone who is odiously train in grappling and is not 100lbs. You can really tell the rooting power of the master.
race2max 1 year ago 2
Wow. I'm impressed! I've been looking for another martial art to study due to too many injuries from BJJ. Bravo Zulu!
anthonyaksa 1 year ago
very very good push hands
TheZhongzheng 1 year ago
Cant beat Chen style at this, a Chen Master would wipe the floor with MMA athletes
chentaichiacademy 1 year ago 4
Really Interesting. I watched this in 3x slow-motion and i love the throw on 0:20, the guy slightly shiftes his balance to his left leg but his center of gravity is slightly held back and the Master must have felt that and just goes full out and BAM!
I wonder if it was just a grappling contest between this master and some MMA pros (no punching, kicking, etc) how he'd do.
wushumaro 1 year ago
total BS. giev ti a rest. MMA has exposed all the phony , fake eastern "masters". have him go enter a small local mma match and he wil not throw someone who isnt "working" with him to get the effect. guys like this are nothign more than snake oil salesmen
brthomas503 1 year ago
The MMA has not proven anything. It's a sport. In real life, limbs would be broken, including fingers and such. Do you even know anything of martial arts? I may not know a lot, but I know much more than you.
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@Siberianhusky89 errr you are an idiot, there has been many much less regulated MMA than the UFC like rioheroes that fight without gloves and virtually no rules, i dont get your point about broken bones, thats the whole point of submissions, holds that break and dislocate arms, the fighter taps out to avoid injury, because you cannot win a fight with a broken arm anyway.
baalshin 1 year ago
Injury is something that won't be avoided on the streets. So what does the UFC prove if you can't use any of those methods that avoid the very thing you would avoid on the streets? Also, I would appreciate it if you didn't insult me. You may give your opinion, but you must yield from what you've stated. My opinion is that the eastern arts are not "bullshit" in real life situations. You see?
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@Siberianhusky89 Injury means defeat in a fight, you cannot win a fight with a severe injury, so in a street fight you get caught in a heel lock, you get your ankle broken and lose, in MMA you tap out to avoid such injury and you lose too.
So what is the difference here? what rules from MMA are stopping these easter martial artists to dominate?
baalshin 1 year ago
Well, you are not allowed to headbutt, eye gouge, hair pull, bite (not techniques normally used), put your fingers in areas that that are openings in the body, hit the groin, strike the opponent's spinal area or the back of the head, break their small joints (fingers and toes), or strike at the trachea. This may sound cheap, but on the streets it's more kill or be killed... I'd rather not be killed.
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@Siberianhusky89 So you are saying that not allowing biting and hair pulling is stopping eastern martial arts from dominating MMA? LOL.
you are not defending eastern martial arts very well sir hahaha
baalshin 1 year ago
I never stated that. I was simply putting forth the rules of the MMA. Also, have you missed the rest? I would only assume so considering that striking the back of the head and breaking small joints can be pretty vital. If you break small joints, it'd be hard to punch with broken fingers, let alone grab. Also, striking the spinal chord can leave severe injury if done correctly, as well as striking the trachea. As I stated, hair pulling and biting are not really used in martial arts.
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@Siberianhusky89 so you are saying that not allowing breaking fingers and hitting the throat is stopping eastern martial arts from dominating MMA? that is fucking absurd.
You think no martial art in this world could beat an MMA figher in a kick, punch and grappling match without using "dirty tricks"? pathetic.
Also for the record, there are MMA organizations which allow those all the things you mentioned, FYI.
baalshin 1 year ago
Dirty tricks? There is no such thing in a fight. In competition, there are rules. In a real fight, it's a whole new story. There are no dirty tricks. If someone is to punch you on the street then pull out a gun, is that considered a dirty trick? It's a fight my friend. You either win or lose. Also, there might be some, but almost all that have these rules. They are Universal rules of MMA and the rules are there so the battles can be more safe and long.
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@Siberianhusky89 You avoided the fucking question again, so now eastern martial artists need guns to defeat MMA fighters?
What i asked you is, without groin kicking, eye gouging etc an eastern martial cannot hold a candle against an MMA fighter?.
baalshin 1 year ago
No, you're taking my words and twisting them. Now stop cursing, twisting my words and never STATED that. You stated "pull hairing" and "Oh, this is cheap". Anyhow, whomever is the better fighter wins, end of story.
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@Siberianhusky89 you failed to answer the question, eastern martial artists get absolutely raped in MMA, why is that? because they can gouge eyes and kick groins etc? really? without that they cannot beat an MMA fighter?
baalshin 1 year ago
I answered the question. Whomever is the better fighter wins. End of story. "-_-
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
@baalshin; you are only half correct about what you said. Most so called kung fu, tai chi or eastern martial artists as you called it might get their asses kick in MMA. But that's because they don't train to fight. You have to remember that all MMA fighters learn eastern martial arts. Everything from wrestling to punching and kicking, all come from eastern martial arts. Just give you a few: jiujitsu, judo, muay thai, and karate.
ironcu 1 year ago
@baalshin; And dont think boxing and wrestling are not eastern martial arts either. If you are a martial artist, you should know that a japanese master beat the best US wrestler in just seconds back in the days and wrestling was then refined. And as for boxing, if you do some research. Boxing has adopted karate and kung fu skills. How to ground oneself and position oneself to get more power to punch. Back in the days, boxing was paty cakes. Boxing has been refined just as wrestling.
ironcu 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@ironcu so what if he did beat a wrestler long time ago? nowadays he would get raped by an MMA fighter
baalshin 1 year ago
@ironcu Please name these wrestlers you are talking about. I will say one of the best wrestlers to wrestle in college (Okie State) was a Japanese wrestler. Yojiro Uetake.
Also of course a lot of our martial arts are Eastern influenced, we are a much newer country.
mrpeepers06145 1 year ago
@ironcu errr no, while many do study SOME martial arts that derive from eastern (like BJJ) punching was not invented by karate nor wrestling by judo.
baalshin 1 year ago
@baalshin; you are only half correct about what you said. Most so called kung fu, tai chi or eastern martial artists as you called it might get their asses kick in MMA. But that's because they don't train to fight. You have to remember that all MMA fighters learn eastern martial arts. Everything from wrestling to punching and kicking, all come from eastern martial arts. Just give you a few: jiujitsu, judo, muay thai, and karate.
ironcu 1 year ago
@ironcu Also you have to remember that wrestling is one of the oldest sports, very popular in ancient Greece. It's mentioned in the the oldest text in the world, "The Epic of Giglamesh" and is one of the first sports mentioned in the bible.
Currently the best wrestlers come from Eastern Europe and Iran.
mrpeepers06145 1 year ago
@baalshin; without eastern martial arts there is no MMA.
ironcu 1 year ago 3
@ironcu perhaps, but now MMA has greatly surpassed ridiculous ineffective eastern martial arts.
baalshin 1 year ago
@baalshin Where are your personal videos proving this? Where is a legit eastern art put against an "MMA brawler"? Nowhere, because the difference between you blood hungry North Americans and people who study a legit eastern art is that, they AVOID fighting.
In the end, MMA is just a sport.
Sentnl 1 year ago
@Sentnl you know absolutely nothing about MMA when you call them brawlers, you realize that most of them have black belts in BJJ, there are many olimpic medalist wrestlers and sambo world champions right?.
Also every single traditional martial artist has been destroyed, if you want to see them just watch early UFCs and that was when MMA was so unpolished it was ridiculous.
Thats why the gracie family took shitty jiujitsu and crated brazilian jiujitsu that is very effective in mma
baalshin 1 year ago
@baalshin Effective in "MMA". Before you open your mouth, or in this case decide to post a comment, please use some logic.
Effective in "MMA". Please tell me how well a person training "MMA" would do against an art designed for killing on the battlefield.
"MMA" is a sport, you could tell me that on the battlefield someone who trains MMA would throw away the rules, but it's not the same.
There are arts that were put in place, for one reason, to kill. Not to subdue, or capture, but to kill.
Sentnl 1 year ago 8
@Sentnl That is stupid martial arts are not designed to kill you dumbfuck, ive studied taekwondo for 5 years and i missed the fucking eye gouging 101 class, or the bite the throat lessons too.
A rear naked choke, a guillotine or pretty much any choke done very often in MMA is 100% deadly, the referee stops the fight before the other guy dies obviously.
Its not what martial arts are designed to do, but that they are ineffective and ridiculous, the kicks, the stands, the open hand attacks, lol
baalshin 1 year ago
@baalshin I clearly said battlefield, not whatever you're talking about. Resorting to anger on the internet just shows how little you actually comprehend.
On a battlefield, wrestling (I'm stripping it to the basics) will not keep you alive. Anything that forces you to be off of your feet, will kill you.
On a battlefield, when projectile weapons aren't in question, a soldier will not try to take his opponent to the ground, because that enemy soldier, will have friends.
Common sense?
Sentnl 1 year ago 2
@Sentnl I didn't realize that battlefield combat is won with hand to hand fighting, idiot. It's not. COMBAT is fought with WEAPONS, not hands. This art is nothing for combat. You'd be dead if you tried to use this bullshit in TRUE COMBAT.
newerest1 8 months ago
@newerest1 - In combat, weapons are used. However, weapons can be dropped, broken, dis-armed. Not to mention, when letting a weapon go is more effective. Hand to hand is also used when weapons were not allowed in places, or if you were caught without a weapon & a fight took place. Real combat, is training for ANY and ALL situations.
xiaou2 8 months ago
@newerest1 In fact, Chen style taijiquan has many in depth and applicable weapons training methods. But one, most have a firm grasp in all the bare hand methods, techniques and acquired skills and "qualities"- for example peng jing or ground strength.
Weapons include, broad sword, long sword-single and double, staff, spear (trekking of weapons)-before guns, of course.
cdonnahee 7 months ago
@Sentnl i think your a fucktard.
milkwasabadchoice131 7 months ago
@Sentnl though it is the supreme fist, tai chi follows the rule of life and is actually not to kill but to not be killed instead. the core of tai chi is the art of breathing and life. If a practitioner uses their chi in a negative manner they will recieve the repercussions of it unlike hard martial arts which use only physical strength
MrFlashwall 5 months ago
@Sentnl If you could provide me with a list of 'legit' Eastern arts I could almost certainly find you a clip of someone from at least one of them getting their ass handed to them in an MMA ring, unless your definition of a legit art automatically disqualifies anyone who participates in MMA.
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman Alot of eastern arts are useless in "MMA" because "MMA" is a sport, with rules. The eastern artist would be disqualified, let alone, charged for murder, if they used their art in the way it was created, to kill. To go for the zero-sum and trade another mans life for their own.
I'm not saying I have killer martial instincts, but there are teachers out there, that do. They just don't make themselves known on tv, or in competition, because they're peace keepers.
MMA is a sport.
Sentnl 1 year ago
@Sentnl Are you willing to specify exactly what 'Eastern arts' you're talking about here?
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman Probably all of them that aren't taught in mc'dojos. Oh and TKD.. they don't teach zero sum in tkd =\
Sentnl 1 year ago
@Sentnl 'Zero sum'?
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman The mentality that you WILL follow through, in your techniques entirety to maim/kill when your in danger of being hurt/killed.
Sentnl 1 year ago
@baalshin you're misapplying the context of the art. tai chi and other eastern arts were developed to fight in the real world. all those "dirty tricks" are used in order to survive, not to win a 1 on 1 match in front of cameras. how useful is a rear naked choke hold in a bar fight when your target has two of his buddies with chairs or broken bottles? mma was designed to have different styles compete in a controlled setting.
GuerillahTacTikz 1 year ago
@baalshin while it may say something about how effective the styles are in their relation to the rules set forth in MMA, how successful an art is in the ring has no bearing on it's utility in the real world.
idiots that went in with "ninjutsu" in the octagon exemplify this, you can't use weapons and "ninja" aren't supposed to attack out in the open. not to mention historically they were spies and never actually dressed the way they do in fiction, more so they posed as monks or commoners.
GuerillahTacTikz 1 year ago
@GuerillahTacTikz BJJ is only effective in 1-1 fighting that is very well known, martial arts are trash im a black belt in taekwondo and its absolutely trash wont discuss this any longer.
baalshin 1 year ago
@brthomas503 you've trained with him??? or speaking from ignorance??
taijisb 1 year ago
OMG that is real Taichi. Just look at how far he threw that fat guy!
Skillking22 1 year ago
obvious bullshit
baalshin 1 year ago
Obvious idiot.
Siberianhusky89 1 year ago
That aside the key word is that the student was being "thrown" literally! He wasn't tripped or hip-tosssed he was driven thru the hips, off his feet and on his ass by a guy coniderable smaller. The exposive power is unquestionable.
Great vid...please keep them coming
CptOates 1 year ago
The "student" was being thrown -- he made no "real" effort to throw blows.
I've fought Grecco guys and Catch Wrestlers -- let me tell you this "tai chi" guy would not have it this easy; those guys hustle and they actually attempt throws and never look so casual in a head and arm position.
Let Tai Chi remain "gorgeous" and "health promoting" stop trying to force the illusion -- train BJJ and Tai Chi together; this one-stop-shop mentality dilutes the efficacy of both.
OctoBox 1 year ago
@OctoBox Only the student knows how hard he was trying to throw Bing but it looked like he just wasn't being allowed. Until you spar with a genuine tai chi expert you;ll not appreciate how quickly they can feel weight distribution changes and prevent attacks before they get a chance to start. This makes it look like the opponant isn't trying.
CptOates 1 year ago
this is good! i like to see taijiquan wrestling: effort, sweat, bruises... and skinny men throwing big blokes like discarded rag dolls :)
mrmofo08 1 year ago
thanks for posting this, showing what tai chi is.
transmoongoddess 1 year ago
Taichi wrestling! He (Chen) does indeed look extremely strong and skilled!!
piaten 2 years ago
bloody amazing, i'm going to train 10 times harder now i have seen the pinnacle of internal martial arts.
israelifaggot 2 years ago
Looks nice. But, it appears bings partner is playing a dummy for him. The white guy does not attack one or even attempt to counter.
chiman1000 2 years ago
This is amazing.
engineering07 2 years ago 7
Well, just remember that just because a Sifu is a Sifu, a Master is a Master, doesn't mean he has to beat the entire world or be the best in the universe. Even if he loses to some fighters, that doesn't mean he isn't a master in his own right. Knowledge is something not everyone can possess, and certainly not something a NON-true master can impart - easily and effectively. I wonder if Mike Tyson is capable of imparting anything other than being stupidly brutal. =)
lucidmist 2 years ago 3
@lucidmist actually knowledge is something we all can possess it is WISDOM that very few posses for in order to achieve wisdom one must combine knowledge with life experience. That is what truly separates the masters from the rest of us.
And as far as Tyson goes he has the great misfortune of being trained the same way most Westerners were trained to fight: relying on brute strength and muscles alone. Time and time again it has been proven that can only work for so long...
nv88 2 years ago
Yup, sad thing is people totally miss the point when seeking out "masters".
lucidmist 2 years ago
that because a majority of those who seek a master are looking for someone to help them increase their power not to broaden their mind which is the first and primary function of master. Your master should do more than strengthen you physically they should be guiding you down the path that strengthens your mind, body, and soul
nv88 2 years ago
Exactly!
lucidmist 2 years ago
The subject havng his ass handed to him in the video is me. I am an exponent of Chen family boxing. I held this seminar to bring Chen Style into the combat arena. And to those of you who care...I couldnt walk for a week after the seminar. the only ones that were posted on the crash mat. I will post the ones that were done full force on the hard wood floor. Michael Graycar, or if your in Miami...find me...I will show you the way.
taijiboxer954 2 years ago 34
Great respect to you for grappling with such a distinguished master. May I ask whether you were resisting sifu Bing's techniques (and actively searching for openings yourself) or whether this is just to be regarded as a demonstration of Tai Chi throws?
All the best with your future training.
Sjnjerak 1 year ago
I have to say thanks a lot. I used this video many times to show what Tai Ji is really all about. To many people are disrespectful to the true arts, the same arts if it was not for would not have such things like mma and ufc today.
WushuLife 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 you are the guy who had this sparring with chen bing ????
oyamarovic 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 Your are awesome! I barely comment of anything. But what I admired what you said highly. It shows how strong internally you are.
blurburb 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 Props to you for having the nads to endure that. My old tai chi instructor used the one at 0:36 and knocked the wind out of me. I couldn't do anything for the rest of the practice session.
jeffdoeskungfu 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 wow, just by watching the video I thought you might have been a freestyle wrestler or grappler. can you describe what you felt in terms of energy flow when you got thrown at the end of the this video? I'm assuming being a Taiji exponent, you were already relaxed and sunk?
akirahojo2 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 Hi, I've recently become very interested in Tai Chi Chuan. You mind telling me where to start? I already practice Wing Chun and you can watch my light sparring video on my channel. Thanks!
ForwardIntent 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 do you ythink mma people are worthy of beautiful chen style to be bastardised? great vid by the way
ironbuddha1008 1 year ago
@taijiboxer954 WOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW thank you for posting. You killed your pride and you did bring honor to the name of tai ji. Many thanks
Jamesuni 11 months ago
It's about time somebody restored taijiquan's good standing.
mrgabest 2 years ago 32
this was real cool. i would like to see more tai chi chuan sparing practice done with mma trained athletes. one of the things that has always bothered me about most contemporary martial arts practice is that they usually do all of there sparing against there own style of fighting, and have little to no idea how to respond to a different style when the practitioner is of equal or greater skill, size, speed, ect.
wagfinpis 2 years ago 4
It is dangerous to throw someone who is not prepared for it. Where he to throw a student of another art that student could easily hurt himself. If I personally had been thrown like that guy I can see myself with anything from a broken wrist to a broken neck.
garritynet 2 years ago 2
Comment removed
elguapotetigre 2 years ago
Machida uses chi to defeat alot of people in the UFC. It is super effective and on average he takes 1 good punch from his opponent in 2 1/2 rounds. I am going to try Shaolin and I hope im the first in MMA to do it. No, not even started yet....
Maynvisitor 2 years ago 2
GO for it man I suppoert u all the way its never the art its the fighter as long as u have a good idea of gorund grappling and such then ull be fine Cung Le and machida both know whats up yet they never really fight on the ground
SteelClaw 2 years ago 2
Comment removed
xcskier871 2 years ago
This is an application of skills developed through push hands--and a pretty good application too.
MartialDevelopment 2 years ago 5
@xcskier871 while yes it's not the flowy dance-like drill of push hands people are accustomed, this would appear more to be the actual application of the drills, that or a very crisp demo of the possibilities learned through push-hands. Kung Fu doesn't actually look like in those cheesy 80s movies, or like in those high flying wire-fu movies of today. Fighting is quick, dirty, ugly, and over before you know it.
wushumaro 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Oh dear what is this?? mmmm
fordfocusstbl 2 years ago
can't wait for Chen Bing to come back to S.Fla I'll be there for sure...thanks for the video of what my teacher's been telling me about!!
peace
B
enkisown 2 years ago
holy crap he just thrown a heavy weight mma wrestler fighter in a ring?!
this guy should compete in the ufc. I cant believe he just thrown that 100kg guy around like nothing
dazzassj6 3 years ago 3
Well, that wrestler is not a random MMA guy - he's a taiji student, taking part in a demo - NOT just one of the MMA guys who was hanging around. ANd he is, obviously, not hitting back, or doing any of the resistance techniques we would expect from MMA. But - it's a demo - and a good one, showing amazing ability to throw heavier people. Can he do it against serious, resistant, dangerous opposition which strkes and wrestles back? Well, we'd all sure like to see, no matter our position on this!
FamilyQuan 2 years ago
Yes, the other guy is not fighting back, but you still have to give him credit for tossing around a guy that is at least 40lbs heavier than himself, and appreciate the crispness and sharpness the way he did it.
one of the best taichi guy i have ever seen.
andysif 2 years ago 2
Well I agree - crisp technique. Sometimes people are shouted down simply for describing things exactly as they are - nice crisp demo.
FamilyQuan 2 years ago
proper application doesn't give time for someone to "fight back", you'd respond with these techniques the moment the clinch begins.
stmk0 2 years ago 4
Philosophies of the type "If I got in a fight with a boxer/wrestler/mma stylist I'd just..." are pretty naive, stmk0 - all right in theory, but not usually proved true in practice. I'm pretty sure Chen Bing could do that against an average scrub - and I'm sure most MMA fights would be very different in a real no rules, fight for you rlife setting - but throwing a genuinely resisting opponent can be a lot, lot harder than it seems in theory.
FamilyQuan 2 years ago 3