With your silence, with only truth and with love... you have commenced and have heard Jesus' voice.... may all this cruelty cease to exist, and let all beings be happy...
If you're a vegetarian because of health reason, that makes sense to me. But if your reason is for welfare of the animals, that's total BS... unless if you could persuade other animals in the food chain to become vegetarians as well. Go tell this to the lions, wolves, eagles, sharks, anacondas, etc.
Since you still don't get it, I'll say it the more obvious way. All living things are part of a complex food chain. Plants get eaten by animals... Animals get eaten by some other animals... Some animals get eaten by certain plants. You want to avoid eating animals for health reason? That's good. You want to avoid eating certain animals to prevent their extinction? That's a good reason too. But if you don't eat them, somebody else or other animals would. That's the nature.
@2SLipo You don't have eat, wear or use animal products. It's just not necessary. What the rest of nature is or isn't doing is irrelevant. Do you find rhino using the internet? No. Can you breathe under water
? No. You obviously don't get it. YOU have a choice whether to eat meat or not.
You're putting words in my mouth. Where did I say being vegan is total BS? I'm just pointing out the delusional claim of saving the animals by becoming vegetarian. No vegetarian can validly claim that he or she was able to save any particular animal's life by not eating meat.
@2SLipo You didn't say anything about saving lives being BS. You said (quote): "But if your reason is for welfare of the animals, that's total BS." If everyone became vegetarian, then farm animals would not be bred, not be raised and not be slaughtered. No lives would be saved since those lives would never have existed. BUT the misery caused to animals in intensive farming would not happen either. So, where's the BS in that?
Oh, resorting to technicalities? Are you giving up in this argument already? So welfare of the animals is not the same as lives of the animals in your very strict technical terms. LOL!
Why don't you stop your BS? We know everyone just cannot become vegetarian or vegan (or whatever BS you call yourself). On a religious basis alone, like Judaism, they support eating of meat. They even sacrifice animals. Don't even get me started about Christians.
@2SLipo This video simply says, "By going vegan you are not supporting animal (ab)use." You're rabbiting on about things not even in the video. Jeez, you're even bring Christianity and Judaism in to it. Why don't you talk about crochet, knitting and football while you're about it?
@2SLipo Most people in certain parts of the world said, "The economy would collapse without slavery." Well, slavery ended and the economy didn't collapse. Things can and do change. When and if is another thing but they CAN. And each individual can do his/her bit to change things. Now go and crawl back in to your ignorant little, "I can't be vegan." shell !
I'm ana theist so you can say whatever you want about religion. You're boring me. In fact, I'd delete your comments but you'd just think you've won and I can't take your comments.
@2SLipo Why do you keep using the word 'vegetarian'? This video is not about vegetarianism or maybe you've not read the title. Vegetarianism is not veganism. Not even close. So, please talk about the subject at hand: Veganism. P.S. You don't half spout some utter nonsense.
@2SLipo Okay, I don't think you realize that most of us know that we're not saving a hell of a lot of animals by becoming vegan. But regardless, why would we do something that we do not believe in? If we were in Germany during the time of Worl War II and refused to join Hitler's army, would that be pointless because Jews were still being slaughtered? No. But people don't give a non-human animal's life the value it deserves, so nobody puts it into perspective.
For example, a chicken raised for food in a farm waiting to be taken to the slaughter house will still be taken to the slaughter house unless the chicken dies before being taken or somebody actually rescues the chicken and keeps it for a pet. You can't seem to grasp this reality and simple point.
@2SLipo You don't seem to grasp the fact that a) you'd not mentioned saving lives before (I can't read your mind) and b) Vegetarians/vegans aren't all niave enough to think they're actually saving Daisy the cow's life by being vegetarian. I believe that when someone says, "By going vegetarian I have saved X animals.", they are speaking metaphorically.
So, your point seems to be: "If you think you're saving individuals, you're fooling yourself."
@2SLipo The reason I'm vegan is because I don't want to financially (or in any other way) support an industry which sees animals as no more than property and doesn't care about how they treat them as long as they make as much profit as possible. That is not BS. For each £1 ($) vegans don't spend, that's £1 less for them. That's fact.
@2SLipo Over 90% of people eat meat. What's your point? Most people are heterosexual. Does that mean it's wrong to be gay? Most people are not white. Does that meat it's wrong to be white?
If you can't be vegan, then go away. Simple. Stop arguing about things you are unable to be.
@2SLipo So, as a final point: By becoming vegetarian, you are reducing demand for animal flesh. By reducing demand, you are reducing the incentive for farmers to breed, raise and slaughter the animals. Now tell me that's BS.
You're saying this now after several argumentative posts? Is this your way of escaping from the argument? Yes, nowhere in the video says that you will save lives. Happy now? LOL
Thanks for this...sorry you had to deal with a rotten person.
Obnoxious meat eaters or weak-willed ones who conform because it's easier: about 90-95%
Vegans strong enough to be knowledgeable and persevere: about 2% (the other 3% to 8% are somewhere in between) And vegan numbers are growing, but slowly.
Makes you wonder why they're so threatened by us. That's how powerful the TRUTH is.
B12 is their favorite BS, but it comes from soil bacteria and up to 40% of meat eaters are dangerously low.
@02BikerBoy Could you please explain (using logic and not just 'that's the way it is' statements) WHY they are here for whatever you think they're here for.
@02BikerBoy I don't believe in God and more pertinent to your question: Humans are also made from meat so should we eat humans too. I bet you don't eat most animals even though they too are made of meat. Also, we are perfectly capable of living on plant foods without any need for animal products.
The reason I'm not deleting your comments is so people can see the silly comment we vegans often receive along with the fact they can read the opposing point.
No I don't eat humans. There are many restrictions in the Bible. Why would you even consider deleting my comment? I'm not being offensive and I'm just trying to have a decent argument. Since you are not Christian I will try to talk in a language you understand. As humans have evolved we have gone from herbivores to scavenger omnivores, to more selective omnivores. Judging on the way other animals have evolved we are going to end up carnivores. Why stay behind?
@02BikerBoy No but you're talking rubbish. Try using the rules of a different religion and you'll find they disagree with you.
There is evidence that animals exist and that they suffer at the hands of humans. There's no evidence of God. If you can find a video that shows God, then I'll watch it. Not some rubbish rhetoric either. One that SHOWS GOD.
I just became a vegetarian (almost a month!) and I feel more energetic than ever! As soon as I find suitable replacements for cheese and milk I'm going vegan! I've NEVER thought fur was ok and it grossed me out as a kid, but I never gave much thought to where my hamburger came from...now that I realize the truth...there's no way I can go back to meat...ugh!
I eat meat, I do what I want!!! This is a twisted fucked up version of the future now excuse me, I'm going to go eat a helpless chicken.
merickel123 7 months ago
With your silence, with only truth and with love... you have commenced and have heard Jesus' voice.... may all this cruelty cease to exist, and let all beings be happy...
happytenzin 10 months ago
If you're a vegetarian because of health reason, that makes sense to me. But if your reason is for welfare of the animals, that's total BS... unless if you could persuade other animals in the food chain to become vegetarians as well. Go tell this to the lions, wolves, eagles, sharks, anacondas, etc.
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo Just because others are doing something doesn't give mean excuse to do it; be they other humans or animals.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo
How on Earth can I persuade other animals to become vegetarian?
Wild animals have a hard enough time finding food without having to pick and choose.
It's not I who is talking total BS (as you put it) but you.
Here's a deal: You convince a wild rabbit to start eating meat and I'll take you up on your offer to convert a lion to being vegetarian.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988
Since you still don't get it, I'll say it the more obvious way. All living things are part of a complex food chain. Plants get eaten by animals... Animals get eaten by some other animals... Some animals get eaten by certain plants. You want to avoid eating animals for health reason? That's good. You want to avoid eating certain animals to prevent their extinction? That's a good reason too. But if you don't eat them, somebody else or other animals would. That's the nature.
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo I'm not fucking stupid! I know all that crap!
Humans in the West DO NOT HAVE TO EAT ANIMAL PRODUCTS TO SURVIVE. When we do eat/wear/use them, they are bred, mutilated, tortured etc. UNNECESSARILY.
Also, has it ever occurred to you that some vegans don't eat meat because it turns their stomach? Obviously not.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo You don't have eat, wear or use animal products. It's just not necessary. What the rest of nature is or isn't doing is irrelevant. Do you find rhino using the internet? No. Can you breathe under water
? No. You obviously don't get it. YOU have a choice whether to eat meat or not.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo One final point:
You say: "All living things are part of a complex food chain. Plants get eaten by animals.."
Well, I am an animal and I eat plants. So, why is being vegan total BS (as you said in an earlier post)?
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988
You're putting words in my mouth. Where did I say being vegan is total BS? I'm just pointing out the delusional claim of saving the animals by becoming vegetarian. No vegetarian can validly claim that he or she was able to save any particular animal's life by not eating meat.
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo You didn't say anything about saving lives being BS. You said (quote): "But if your reason is for welfare of the animals, that's total BS." If everyone became vegetarian, then farm animals would not be bred, not be raised and not be slaughtered. No lives would be saved since those lives would never have existed. BUT the misery caused to animals in intensive farming would not happen either. So, where's the BS in that?
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988
Oh, resorting to technicalities? Are you giving up in this argument already? So welfare of the animals is not the same as lives of the animals in your very strict technical terms. LOL!
Why don't you stop your BS? We know everyone just cannot become vegetarian or vegan (or whatever BS you call yourself). On a religious basis alone, like Judaism, they support eating of meat. They even sacrifice animals. Don't even get me started about Christians.
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo This video simply says, "By going vegan you are not supporting animal (ab)use." You're rabbiting on about things not even in the video. Jeez, you're even bring Christianity and Judaism in to it. Why don't you talk about crochet, knitting and football while you're about it?
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo Most people in certain parts of the world said, "The economy would collapse without slavery." Well, slavery ended and the economy didn't collapse. Things can and do change. When and if is another thing but they CAN. And each individual can do his/her bit to change things. Now go and crawl back in to your ignorant little, "I can't be vegan." shell !
marcluc1988 1 year ago
I'm ana theist so you can say whatever you want about religion. You're boring me. In fact, I'd delete your comments but you'd just think you've won and I can't take your comments.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo Why do you keep using the word 'vegetarian'? This video is not about vegetarianism or maybe you've not read the title. Vegetarianism is not veganism. Not even close. So, please talk about the subject at hand: Veganism. P.S. You don't half spout some utter nonsense.
TheSuperVegan 1 year ago
@2SLipo Okay, I don't think you realize that most of us know that we're not saving a hell of a lot of animals by becoming vegan. But regardless, why would we do something that we do not believe in? If we were in Germany during the time of Worl War II and refused to join Hitler's army, would that be pointless because Jews were still being slaughtered? No. But people don't give a non-human animal's life the value it deserves, so nobody puts it into perspective.
blinkme478 11 months ago
@marcluc1988
For example, a chicken raised for food in a farm waiting to be taken to the slaughter house will still be taken to the slaughter house unless the chicken dies before being taken or somebody actually rescues the chicken and keeps it for a pet. You can't seem to grasp this reality and simple point.
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo You don't seem to grasp the fact that a) you'd not mentioned saving lives before (I can't read your mind) and b) Vegetarians/vegans aren't all niave enough to think they're actually saving Daisy the cow's life by being vegetarian. I believe that when someone says, "By going vegetarian I have saved X animals.", they are speaking metaphorically.
So, your point seems to be: "If you think you're saving individuals, you're fooling yourself."
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo The reason I'm vegan is because I don't want to financially (or in any other way) support an industry which sees animals as no more than property and doesn't care about how they treat them as long as they make as much profit as possible. That is not BS. For each £1 ($) vegans don't spend, that's £1 less for them. That's fact.
FunVegan 1 year ago
@FunVegan
Have you ever checked the rate of meat consumption? That should show you real facts.
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo Over 90% of people eat meat. What's your point? Most people are heterosexual. Does that mean it's wrong to be gay? Most people are not white. Does that meat it's wrong to be white?
If you can't be vegan, then go away. Simple. Stop arguing about things you are unable to be.
FunVegan 1 year ago
As far as I'm concerned I want NO part in this exploitation of animals. Period. Do you understand?
FunVegan 1 year ago
@2SLipo The real facts about what? I know that, un the UK 3% of the population does not eat meat but please explain your point.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo So, as a final point: By becoming vegetarian, you are reducing demand for animal flesh. By reducing demand, you are reducing the incentive for farmers to breed, raise and slaughter the animals. Now tell me that's BS.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@2SLipo I've just watched my video and I wonder, which part do you disagree with? NB Nowhere in the video does it say, "You will save lives."
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988
You're saying this now after several argumentative posts? Is this your way of escaping from the argument? Yes, nowhere in the video says that you will save lives. Happy now? LOL
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo
Humans in the West can be vegetarian/vegan because a) they are omnivore & b) they can go to the supermarket and choose what to purchase.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
Thanks for this...sorry you had to deal with a rotten person.
Obnoxious meat eaters or weak-willed ones who conform because it's easier: about 90-95%
Vegans strong enough to be knowledgeable and persevere: about 2% (the other 3% to 8% are somewhere in between) And vegan numbers are growing, but slowly.
Makes you wonder why they're so threatened by us. That's how powerful the TRUTH is.
B12 is their favorite BS, but it comes from soil bacteria and up to 40% of meat eaters are dangerously low.
1221solstice2012 1 year ago
Oh my goodness, lighten up! They're animals, it's what they're here for.
02BikerBoy 1 year ago
@02BikerBoy You have no goodness. Go away.
conker033 1 year ago
@02BikerBoy Could you please explain (using logic and not just 'that's the way it is' statements) WHY they are here for whatever you think they're here for.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988
Simple, if God didn't want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat?
02BikerBoy 1 year ago
@02BikerBoy I don't believe in God and more pertinent to your question: Humans are also made from meat so should we eat humans too. I bet you don't eat most animals even though they too are made of meat. Also, we are perfectly capable of living on plant foods without any need for animal products.
The reason I'm not deleting your comments is so people can see the silly comment we vegans often receive along with the fact they can read the opposing point.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
@marcluc1988
No I don't eat humans. There are many restrictions in the Bible. Why would you even consider deleting my comment? I'm not being offensive and I'm just trying to have a decent argument. Since you are not Christian I will try to talk in a language you understand. As humans have evolved we have gone from herbivores to scavenger omnivores, to more selective omnivores. Judging on the way other animals have evolved we are going to end up carnivores. Why stay behind?
02BikerBoy 1 year ago
@02BikerBoy No but you're talking rubbish. Try using the rules of a different religion and you'll find they disagree with you.
There is evidence that animals exist and that they suffer at the hands of humans. There's no evidence of God. If you can find a video that shows God, then I'll watch it. Not some rubbish rhetoric either. One that SHOWS GOD.
marcluc1988 1 year ago
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02BikerBoy 1 year ago
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02BikerBoy 1 year ago
@02BikerBoy We also evolved free will,and can choose whether or not to support uneccessary suffering and cruelty .
ElledieWildAndFree 1 year ago
I just became a vegetarian (almost a month!) and I feel more energetic than ever! As soon as I find suitable replacements for cheese and milk I'm going vegan! I've NEVER thought fur was ok and it grossed me out as a kid, but I never gave much thought to where my hamburger came from...now that I realize the truth...there's no way I can go back to meat...ugh!
Sorry for the speech! Great video!
samala5793 1 year ago
GO VEGAN!!!!
TheVeganHere 1 year ago