Gentlemen, aren't we missing the point of the video? 3 Nephi 11:29 reads "For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."
Gentlemen, aren't we missing the point of the video? 3 Nephi 11:29 reads "For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."
If Joseph, the original founder and prophet of the Mormons, translated all the works with the stone and had all the visions from god, and he died for his belief that men should have multiple wives (which is a major reason they were out to kill him) ...then how does this "prophet" even fit into the new commercially tailored Mormon church that is designed to sell to the masses?
ya kinda have to think ...the polygamist is the real Mormon, following Josephs final "testament."
Between its covers you'll find a thorough overview for every chapter in the sacred book, each highlighting key concepts and passages and offering helpful character descriptions and story line summaries. This guide offers accessible lists of main themes in a given chapter, suggestions for how we might "liken the scriptures" to ourselves, and insights into what that chapter teaches us about Jesus Christ
FAIR Bookstore Sale: The Essential Book of Mormon Companion by Kathryn B. Jenkins. First in a new series of scripture guides, this companion is meant to be exactly that -- a user-friendly fellow traveler on your journey through the Book of Mormon
Accordingly, Gardner posits that the meaning of the Book of Mormon was deposited or revealed as the brain's native "language of thought," which Joseph's brain then translated or worked out into his own written and spoken language: English.
A key theme is the importance of removing from our mindset a division between concepts of religion and magic, effectively illustrating that actions which we might classify as magic are, in many cases, primitive attempts to scientifically explain observed results and experiences.
you stir up the hearts of men sir...if they should be done away..then stop getting involved in politics...stop pushing the doctrines of a church proven false on the world in the name of a god just as false....Eternity is so much more than the lies told by this man...
@BornAgainstMormons The one and only. The HOLY BIBLE. The BoM may be another testament, however, that is not a Bible nor the Holy Bible. It may help understand certain aspects of the Holy Bible, however, it is not the Holy Bible.
@jtomally9681 There is no one and only. Every branch of Christendom has its own Holy Bible except the Mormon Christians who use the Protestant Holy Bible. I can not take you serious if you don't know basic facts about the Holy Bible.
@BornAgainstMormons I know more than you think. The BoM is not fake of the teachings of Jesus Christ, although the King James Version is the most accurate version of the Holy Bible that there will ever be so get your facts straight.
@BornAgainstMormons Obviously it is not yours. I quit the Mormon Church because I believe that Joseph Smith is a liar, a story teller and he worshiped an idol by carrying a talisman for protection. He deceived me as well as everyone else.
@jtomally9681 .. Joseph Smith did no such thing as deceiving anyone! Where do you read of a "talisman" that Joseph carried "for protection".. cite your sources please..
Ephesians 5:11 have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Decker exposed the true nature of mormonism, that is not contention, that is exposing the darkness!
What I find great is the maker of this video (BornAganistMormons) isn't one to argue, which I find great. May it be that he is against my religion, but we are ALL (any religion period) to love each other, no matter what... Unconditional love you could say...
@BornAgainstMormons ....your the one thats need to be born again.and you need to soften your heart all the churchers are worshiping god.but u gotta pray for the truth and fast.
He's a false prophet. Anger is not sin. "Be angry and sin not." The Mormons rituals are all Masonry. His words are like vomit to my ears. He needs to be born again! Jesus is God in the flesh! "If a spirit does not confess that Jeus is the word of God in the flesh, it is not of God." You can find that in the ordained written word of God- not the "mormon book".
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
@BornAgainstMormons "These scriptures are why I reject your pagan trinity."
Most Mormons aren't usually straightforward enough to admit you reject the Gospel, and the hundreds of verses that regard the Father and His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, to follow Joseph Smith instead. Thank you.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention... (3 Nephi 11:29) (aka angel Moroni?)
Muhammad's "angel" didn't like embarrassing questions either.
Surah 5:101 O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.
As mopar pointed out here's what the bible says
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
@BornAgainstMormons "You jump a lot." If you mean you noticed that I am primarily in ministry to followers of Muhammad, you are right. In the years I have been on YouTube this may be one of only a couplefew times that I posted on a Mormon thread. I don't have time and there are plenty of folks already called to this area of ministry.
@BornAgainstMormons "You use some radical Muslim techniques." With 500 character limitations it's hard not to be direct and thus brutally honest. I offer better through a forum accessible on the first link on my videos. There is no shortage of "Christians" trying to conform Jesus to Islam through interfaith pluralism & abomination like "Chrislam". We only need a single verse from the Quran to see that Muhammad professed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
@BornAgainstMormons Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS...BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT
One more verse clinches it
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
If a Musilm confesses that Jesus is the Son of God he has committed the most egregious only unpardonable sin.
@BornAgainstMormons To reject the Son of God is to reject over 100 verses regarding the Son of God and another 230 verses that regard God the Father.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=40.0
Islam is an epic fail whether viewed through scripture, history, archaeology or geography.
watch?v=F-PDQFTzNTc
Perhaps my technique is more like a grab 'em by the lapels and shake 'em a little. I pray that Jesus will help me inspire that first spark of cognitive dissonance.
It says in the bible itself that God will judge all man and their religions... In other words, it is not your choice to judge someone or their religion; it's God's. So, basically, if you judge someone or their religion, you are doing work for Satan. You can try to teach them things from your relgion, but saying it's wrong flat out is the work of Satan indefinantly. Fighting over religion isn't the thing nescessary on comments for a video...
@LDSTrueDoctrine LDS "IS" not christian in any way shape or form, it is a lie and if you did "just" a little research on the begginings of that false faith you would run from it as fast as you can! GO TO THE WEB SHOW CALLED "HEART OF THE MATTER" HOSTED BY SHAWN McCRANEY AND GET EDUCATED FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!.
I have watched dozens and dozens of "Heart of the Matter's" Shawn McCraney videos. Shawn McCraney is indeed self-destructive. I also find him to be a bitter, hateful, dishonest person. He is sarcastic & condescending. These are the fruits I know him by. I want no part of his brand of faith. I will gladly rather continue to follow my Savior Jesus Christ in Joy & love... and "let the jackals bark".
I have watched dozens and dozens of "Heart of the Matter's" Shawn McCraney videos. Shawn McCraney is indeed self-destructive. I also find him to be a bitter, hateful, dishonest person. He is sarcastic & condescending. These are the fruits I know him by, & what he breeds. I want no part of his brand of faith. I will gladly rather continue to follow my Savior Jesus Christ in Joy & love... and "let the jackals bark".
Please don't lie. I hope you know this isn't true.
If you really believe LDS are not Christians then you don't understand the true teachings of the church. There are many "Christian" denominations that have different views of Christ & His teachings. Just because you disagree with someone's doctrine doesn't give you the authority to say who is "Christian" & who isn't, my friend.
@LDSTrueDoctrine Being Christian means being Christ-like. Is it Christ-like to lie about a whole race of people as being cursed by God with dark skin? Is it Christ-like to say that people with dark skin are in league with satan?
@BornAgainstMormons I notice that you display responses to my comments, but not the comments themselves. I've actually read the book of Mormon-If you don't believe it's a racist scripture (2 nephi 21 for example) then maybe you've just accepted white supremacy as your god's will. If so, we have nothing else to discuss. I tire of kicking against the pricks.
@easmachine First off easmachine, we don't believe that dark skined people are in league with Satan, that's a popular lie about us... We beleive only the people who did the afflictions(sins) were cursed, but the skin color was passed on. We beleive that everyone on the Earth chose God and Jesus in the begining, and are here to prove themself. Those in Leage with Satan went to Hell for all eternity, never to be able to repent (The 1/3). If you need more information, send me a private message.
@trumpetboy262 It is amazing that you can't see that the idea that dark skin is a curse as a sign of racism in Mormon Scripture. IT is a Libel against everyone who isn't "white and delightsome"and I don't need a private message to tell me right is left or up is down. What individuals believe is OFTEN seperate from doctrine or scripture-But that doesn't change doctrine or scripture. Apologists for white supremacy act as if the rest of the world is illiterate. It is an insult .
@LDSTrueDoctrine - That is the oddest thing I have heard. Of course Christians have the "authority" to say who is and isn't. We are told that we will know by their fruits. So Paul says right there how we can tell. Candice is just making the statement. And I pray that you will deny the false doctrine you have and come to know Christ for real. Joseph Smith was a coward and a swindler, then and now. Call on Jesus and be free from this nonsense. God bless.
You have just proved what Thomas Monson said in this video to be true. And in doing so, invalidated your own point. By your logic I could just as easily say YOU are not a Christian, but I don't know your heart. Only God does. I was an evangelical for years. I understand doctrine. You apparently will argue & insult regardless of anything anyone says. So this will be my last word. The "fruits" of Christ's true church are sweeter & more beautiful than any I have seen! Taste & see.
@LDSTrueDoctrine LDS "IS" not christian in any way shape or form, it is a lie and if you did "just" a little research on the begginings of that false faith you would run from it as fast as you can! GO TO THE WEB SHOW CALLED "HEART OF THE MATTER" HOSTED BY SHAWN McCRANEY AND GET EDUCATED FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!.
@MrA1Goku We are Christian... We beleive that Joseph Smith himself saw God AND Jesus. Our teachings say that we are trying to be more Christ-like and we have a song that the little kids sing: "I am trying to be like Jesus". We beleive in trying to still follow the ten commandments unlike some religions I know... Jesus himself followed the commandments. We walk in Jesus's footsteps to become like him... And, you can't trust someone who says something about a church they aren't a part of...
You want respect and tolerance but ignore the fact that the all churches on earth in Joseph Smith's time would be an abomination and founded by Satan (1 Nephi 14, chapter heading, 3--5, 8-17, Joseph Smith-History 1:18-19). If all the churches on earth were of Satan in 1820, why aren't they considered so today?
@moparmonster1965 ...I am not here to argue. I will not be baited into hateful verbal exchanges. If you ever want to have civilized, respectful conversation I would love to continue; but for now, I am done. I pray that you would let go of the hatred & bitterness in you that cause you to hurl the dishonest, degrading insults that you do; and find the peace & joy that Christ offers.
I will continue to pray for you, brother. pm me if you ever want to talk. I will be here.
@magnus56j We don't, we love everyone. I am friends with all of those you said actually and even dating a Protestant currrently. To go into more detail, we love them so much that we (beleiving we are the true church) try to spread the word to them so that they may know the truth.
No, the LDS have not given VALID answers to their critics, only pat and silly ones that when exposed for the lies revert back to "I testify" what a joke.
"Define us by who we are and by our central beliefs rather than who we are not or by obscure or irrelevant beliefs," Michael R. Otterson, managing director of public affairs for the LDS Church, said during a Thursday morning session of a conference called, "Politics and Religion: Getting it Right in 2012."
News reporters and editors from around the country were urged to allow members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to define themselves rather than to exclusively look to sources outside the church for definitions of what it means to be a Mormon or to explain LDS doctrine or history.
The Mormon Temple outside Washington boasts half a million lights at the annual December Festival of Lights. A life-size outdoor nativity scene and hand-bell and choral performances resemble those of most Christian mega-churches' during the holiday season.
Don't forget that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also celebrates Christmas on December 25. Christmas Eve carol services, however, are not staples of Mormon celebrations like they are in Protestant churches. Instead, Mormon traditions include watching the LDS' annual "First Presidency Christmas Devotional" and visiting the decorated Temple Square in Salt Lake City.
Nothing could stop her from leading the hourlong musical service this year, concluding with scores of former ward members emerging from the congregation to join in the triumphant Hallelujah chorus. The chapel will be filled, as they say, with a "joyful noise."
Doctor-ordered chemotherapy for her bone cancer will have to wait.
(By that I mean, for a lack of a better and more concise term, the idea that our beliefs, while uniform, are also faceted from our lives and experiences, I feel we are supposed to take a pro-active approach on what the Gospel means). Back to what I was saying, to say to the individuals who have made a human decision that this is what they really believe, that they were spoon-fed that conclusion, is a little... brash, I guess? I'm trying to make this sound as unsentimental and logic-centric as
Also, not really liking the generalization of us being "sheep" and being close-minded. For some, our process has been up and down, my own spiritual change was one where I had gone from a very, very strong Mormon upbringing to being severely inactive and not wanting anything to do with it (and coming slowly back in, it's almost full circle). To say for some of us who have intimately developed our personal "religion" (
@BornAgainstMormons I had seen where my life was going, and I had a moment of "catharsis" almost. I always had a struggle to see things spiritually, but I sort of came to realize how much of my life had been helped because of my circumstances I had lived in prior.
@silversniper231 I probably came into this debate partway, but I don't understand how the nature and origin of God has to do with his validity in his existence and purpose. Even if transcribed as an ET, may I ask what this has to do with LDS not being Christian? Is it the clash of Biblical v. a modern statement by President Lorenzo Snow?
Okay, I generally like to be hopefully more objective, so I'll see if I can offer a rebuttal to the best of my knowledge to some of this anti-Mormon sentiment, just know a lot of this will probably be more speculation, and probably not official. If you would like to give me sources, PM them to me.
Decker is against the demonic Masonic beliefs and rituals that he claims are at the heart of Mormonism. "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11
He describes Mormons as "...these beautiful people that have a heart for God." He is against the institution not the people. This is anger at what he believes is the work of Satan. All based on his personal experiences as a LDS and with regard to his knowledge of the secrets of the LDS temple.
Why do you Mormons always feel the need to censor the comments. That seems to be the way all these Mormon videos and Mormon posters are. Can't handle the truth so you delete or rather do not post someone comments. Don't you know that makes you look foolish and like you have something to hide, because you do. If you don't want me to post, then quit making comments to me.
@AgainstMormons Finally, you posted my comments, took you long enough. But I've grown bored with you and this video, so not worth my time. Wasted enough time trying to get posted and no time for important issues, so chow.
@BornAgainstMormons So is that what you are doing? Only blocking comments with foul language? My experience on most all other Mormon videos is that they never post anything, but other Mormons comments. That's what I mean by censorship?
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@BornAgainstMormons the amount of views means you right?? what is this a numbers game now???
lilbeaveymac 3 hours ago
@lilbeaveymac Is English not your first language?
BornAgainstMormons 1 hour ago
Gentlemen, aren't we missing the point of the video? 3 Nephi 11:29 reads "For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."
Carcmaspike 5 days ago
@Carcmaspike Are you contending that some one is contending?
BornAgainstMormons 1 day ago
@Carcmaspike then why so much contention with prop 8?
lilbeaveymac 3 hours ago
@lilbeaveymac You should ask the radical gays that. Why are they so contentious against good and God?
BornAgainstMormons 1 hour ago
Gentlemen, aren't we missing the point of the video? 3 Nephi 11:29 reads "For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."
Carcmaspike 5 days ago
@Carcmaspike Many are angry with me because of my faith in Jesus Christ.
BornAgainstMormons 1 day ago
If Joseph, the original founder and prophet of the Mormons, translated all the works with the stone and had all the visions from god, and he died for his belief that men should have multiple wives (which is a major reason they were out to kill him) ...then how does this "prophet" even fit into the new commercially tailored Mormon church that is designed to sell to the masses?
ya kinda have to think ...the polygamist is the real Mormon, following Josephs final "testament."
godnmyhands 1 week ago
@godnmyhands You make things up.
BornAgainstMormons 1 day ago
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There is no such thing as a Mormon Christian. Mormons are NOT Christians. They believe in
JOE SMITH, JOE SMITH! What a bunch of nuts! They are going where he is, HELL!
Captrowdy49 1 week ago
@Captrowdy49 complete nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@Captrowdy49 see you there! =D
zigzack54 2 days ago
Hes saying that contention and evil are not the works of god but are of satan. How does that infuriate you?
AgentEpic 1 week ago
@AgentEpic How did you arrive at that conclusion?
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
Between its covers you'll find a thorough overview for every chapter in the sacred book, each highlighting key concepts and passages and offering helpful character descriptions and story line summaries. This guide offers accessible lists of main themes in a given chapter, suggestions for how we might "liken the scriptures" to ourselves, and insights into what that chapter teaches us about Jesus Christ
omiolo 1 week ago
FAIR Bookstore Sale: The Essential Book of Mormon Companion by Kathryn B. Jenkins. First in a new series of scripture guides, this companion is meant to be exactly that -- a user-friendly fellow traveler on your journey through the Book of Mormon
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I love your ignorance ^.^
AgentEpic 2 weeks ago
@AgentEpic I would rather you love than hate like Ed Decker does.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons Yes, loving is the right way to feel. How is that even a valid question?
AgentEpic 1 week ago
@AgentEpic Question?
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
Accordingly, Gardner posits that the meaning of the Book of Mormon was deposited or revealed as the brain's native "language of thought," which Joseph's brain then translated or worked out into his own written and spoken language: English.
omiolo 2 weeks ago
@omiolo Interesting concept.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
A key theme is the importance of removing from our mindset a division between concepts of religion and magic, effectively illustrating that actions which we might classify as magic are, in many cases, primitive attempts to scientifically explain observed results and experiences.
omiolo 2 weeks ago
@omiolo Many times primitive scientific attempts are incorrect.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
you stir up the hearts of men sir...if they should be done away..then stop getting involved in politics...stop pushing the doctrines of a church proven false on the world in the name of a god just as false....Eternity is so much more than the lies told by this man...
KyaniDave 2 weeks ago
@KyaniDave Mormon Christians will defend morality, right and wrong, and families whenever and where ever they can.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
Thomas Monson needs to read the Bible, because it says be angry and do not sin. This guy is a prophet? Obviously not.
sethmichaelmace 2 weeks ago
@sethmichaelmace Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons Read the Bible.
jtomally9681 1 week ago
@jtomally9681 Which one?
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons The one and only. The HOLY BIBLE. The BoM may be another testament, however, that is not a Bible nor the Holy Bible. It may help understand certain aspects of the Holy Bible, however, it is not the Holy Bible.
jtomally9681 1 week ago
@jtomally9681 There is no one and only. Every branch of Christendom has its own Holy Bible except the Mormon Christians who use the Protestant Holy Bible. I can not take you serious if you don't know basic facts about the Holy Bible.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons I know more than you think. The BoM is not fake of the teachings of Jesus Christ, although the King James Version is the most accurate version of the Holy Bible that there will ever be so get your facts straight.
jtomally9681 1 week ago
@jtomally9681 Is English not your native language?
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons Obviously it is not yours. I quit the Mormon Church because I believe that Joseph Smith is a liar, a story teller and he worshiped an idol by carrying a talisman for protection. He deceived me as well as everyone else.
jtomally9681 1 week ago
@jtomally9681 Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons Believe what you wish.
jtomally9681 1 week ago
@jtomally9681 I do because I wish for the knowledge of God to enlighten me.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons So do I.
jtomally9681 1 week ago
@jtomally9681 .. Joseph Smith did no such thing as deceiving anyone! Where do you read of a "talisman" that Joseph carried "for protection".. cite your sources please..
wyattahay 3 days ago
Thomas S. Monson needs to talk about how black people's skin is cursed, I really enjoy that Mormon belief.
GrandmotherAbuser 2 weeks ago
@GrandmotherAbuser You enjoy anti- Mormon beliefs?
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
@BornAgainstMormons Do you enjoy anti-Christian beliefs?
GrandmotherAbuser 1 week ago
@GrandmotherAbuser That doesn't make sense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 week ago
ya'll are a buncha hateful faggots living in your mamas basement
TheBeatleboy15 2 weeks ago
@TheBeatleboy15 Why the hate and degrading language?
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Ephesians 5:11 have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Decker exposed the true nature of mormonism, that is not contention, that is exposing the darkness!
sharlyates40 3 weeks ago
@sharlyates40 Was that before or after Ed Decker beat his wife and abandoned his children? Who would your jesus bomb?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
What I find great is the maker of this video (BornAganistMormons) isn't one to argue, which I find great. May it be that he is against my religion, but we are ALL (any religion period) to love each other, no matter what... Unconditional love you could say...
trumpetboy262 3 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 Your religion?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons Ill give you a hint, my religion is in your name...
trumpetboy262 3 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 Nagain?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons Alright I'll make it a lot easier.... Mormon...
trumpetboy262 3 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 That is a lot easier.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
tru...contention is not from god...
nosi19 3 weeks ago
@nosi19 true.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons ....your the one thats need to be born again.and you need to soften your heart all the churchers are worshiping god.but u gotta pray for the truth and fast.
nosi19 3 weeks ago
@nosi19 There you go.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
He's a false prophet. Anger is not sin. "Be angry and sin not." The Mormons rituals are all Masonry. His words are like vomit to my ears. He needs to be born again! Jesus is God in the flesh! "If a spirit does not confess that Jeus is the word of God in the flesh, it is not of God." You can find that in the ordained written word of God- not the "mormon book".
TheElisabethRose 3 weeks ago
@TheElisabethRose Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
Praise be to Allah. The only true God.
robertsnine 3 weeks ago
@robertsnine Doesn't Allah mean God in arabic?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
Lol. Mormon faith is so twisted. All religion will burn in their makebelieve
robertsnine 3 weeks ago
@robertsnine Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
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Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
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PeteWaldo 4 weeks ago
@PeteWaldo These scriptures are why I reject your pagan trinity.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons "These scriptures are why I reject your pagan trinity."
Most Mormons aren't usually straightforward enough to admit you reject the Gospel, and the hundreds of verses that regard the Father and His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, to follow Joseph Smith instead. Thank you.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
PeteWaldo 3 weeks ago
@PeteWaldo An honest person wouldn't have concluded what you just concluded about what I wrote.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons "An honest person wouldn't have concluded what you just concluded about what I wrote."
Please excuse my initial error of reading BornAgainMormons, not Against, so I thought you were a Mormon. Second you said
"These scriptures are why I reject your pagan trinity."
So then are you saying that you reject the hundreds of verses that reveal God as the Father and Jesus as His Son and the Spirit of God?
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=40.0
PeteWaldo 3 weeks ago
For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention... (3 Nephi 11:29) (aka angel Moroni?)
Muhammad's "angel" didn't like embarrassing questions either.
Surah 5:101 O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.
As mopar pointed out here's what the bible says
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
watch?v=2nfmBm3moYw
PeteWaldo 4 weeks ago
@PeteWaldo You jump a lot.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons "You jump a lot." If you mean you noticed that I am primarily in ministry to followers of Muhammad, you are right. In the years I have been on YouTube this may be one of only a couplefew times that I posted on a Mormon thread. I don't have time and there are plenty of folks already called to this area of ministry.
watch?v=cCE_sti-uZc
PeteWaldo 3 weeks ago
@PeteWaldo You use some radical Muslim techniques.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons "You use some radical Muslim techniques." With 500 character limitations it's hard not to be direct and thus brutally honest. I offer better through a forum accessible on the first link on my videos. There is no shortage of "Christians" trying to conform Jesus to Islam through interfaith pluralism & abomination like "Chrislam". We only need a single verse from the Quran to see that Muhammad professed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
PeteWaldo 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS...BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT
One more verse clinches it
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
If a Musilm confesses that Jesus is the Son of God he has committed the most egregious only unpardonable sin.
watch?v=cCE_sti-uZc
PeteWaldo 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons To reject the Son of God is to reject over 100 verses regarding the Son of God and another 230 verses that regard God the Father.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=40.0
Islam is an epic fail whether viewed through scripture, history, archaeology or geography.
watch?v=F-PDQFTzNTc
Perhaps my technique is more like a grab 'em by the lapels and shake 'em a little. I pray that Jesus will help me inspire that first spark of cognitive dissonance.
brotherpete. com
PeteWaldo 3 weeks ago
It says in the bible itself that God will judge all man and their religions... In other words, it is not your choice to judge someone or their religion; it's God's. So, basically, if you judge someone or their religion, you are doing work for Satan. You can try to teach them things from your relgion, but saying it's wrong flat out is the work of Satan indefinantly. Fighting over religion isn't the thing nescessary on comments for a video...
trumpetboy262 4 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 Is that all the Bible says about judging?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
Islam is the true enemy.
magnus56j 4 weeks ago
@magnus56j Are you sure?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
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BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@GhostriderDuck There is no doubt in that.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine LDS "IS" not christian in any way shape or form, it is a lie and if you did "just" a little research on the begginings of that false faith you would run from it as fast as you can! GO TO THE WEB SHOW CALLED "HEART OF THE MATTER" HOSTED BY SHAWN McCRANEY AND GET EDUCATED FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!.
MrA1Goku 4 weeks ago
@MrA1Goku Pastor McCraney is self destructive. All those who heed him end up self destructive too.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
I have watched dozens and dozens of "Heart of the Matter's" Shawn McCraney videos. Shawn McCraney is indeed self-destructive. I also find him to be a bitter, hateful, dishonest person. He is sarcastic & condescending. These are the fruits I know him by. I want no part of his brand of faith. I will gladly rather continue to follow my Savior Jesus Christ in Joy & love... and "let the jackals bark".
LDSTrueDoctrine 4 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine I agree, not only is Pastor McCraney self destructive but those that heed him become the same.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
I have watched dozens and dozens of "Heart of the Matter's" Shawn McCraney videos. Shawn McCraney is indeed self-destructive. I also find him to be a bitter, hateful, dishonest person. He is sarcastic & condescending. These are the fruits I know him by, & what he breeds. I want no part of his brand of faith. I will gladly rather continue to follow my Savior Jesus Christ in Joy & love... and "let the jackals bark".
LDSTrueDoctrine 4 weeks ago
@candiceevans1
Please don't lie. I hope you know this isn't true.
If you really believe LDS are not Christians then you don't understand the true teachings of the church. There are many "Christian" denominations that have different views of Christ & His teachings. Just because you disagree with someone's doctrine doesn't give you the authority to say who is "Christian" & who isn't, my friend.
LDSTrueDoctrine 1 month ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine Being Christian means being Christ-like. Is it Christ-like to lie about a whole race of people as being cursed by God with dark skin? Is it Christ-like to say that people with dark skin are in league with satan?
easmachine 1 month ago
@easmachine You won't find that in Mormon Christian Holy Scriptures.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons Really? Have you read 2 Nephi?
easmachine 3 weeks ago
@easmachine Apparently you haven't. Dark skin never meant one is in league with Satan. Even though I think that is old Trinitarian doctrine.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons I notice that you display responses to my comments, but not the comments themselves. I've actually read the book of Mormon-If you don't believe it's a racist scripture (2 nephi 21 for example) then maybe you've just accepted white supremacy as your god's will. If so, we have nothing else to discuss. I tire of kicking against the pricks.
easmachine 3 weeks ago
@easmachine Did you use vulgarities?
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@easmachine First off easmachine, we don't believe that dark skined people are in league with Satan, that's a popular lie about us... We beleive only the people who did the afflictions(sins) were cursed, but the skin color was passed on. We beleive that everyone on the Earth chose God and Jesus in the begining, and are here to prove themself. Those in Leage with Satan went to Hell for all eternity, never to be able to repent (The 1/3). If you need more information, send me a private message.
trumpetboy262 4 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 He knows that isn't true. He is simply race baiting.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 It is amazing that you can't see that the idea that dark skin is a curse as a sign of racism in Mormon Scripture. IT is a Libel against everyone who isn't "white and delightsome"and I don't need a private message to tell me right is left or up is down. What individuals believe is OFTEN seperate from doctrine or scripture-But that doesn't change doctrine or scripture. Apologists for white supremacy act as if the rest of the world is illiterate. It is an insult .
easmachine 3 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine - That is the oddest thing I have heard. Of course Christians have the "authority" to say who is and isn't. We are told that we will know by their fruits. So Paul says right there how we can tell. Candice is just making the statement. And I pray that you will deny the false doctrine you have and come to know Christ for real. Joseph Smith was a coward and a swindler, then and now. Call on Jesus and be free from this nonsense. God bless.
STATRipper 1 month ago
@STATRipper
You have just proved what Thomas Monson said in this video to be true. And in doing so, invalidated your own point. By your logic I could just as easily say YOU are not a Christian, but I don't know your heart. Only God does. I was an evangelical for years. I understand doctrine. You apparently will argue & insult regardless of anything anyone says. So this will be my last word. The "fruits" of Christ's true church are sweeter & more beautiful than any I have seen! Taste & see.
LDSTrueDoctrine 1 month ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine LDS "IS" not christian in any way shape or form, it is a lie and if you did "just" a little research on the begginings of that false faith you would run from it as fast as you can! GO TO THE WEB SHOW CALLED "HEART OF THE MATTER" HOSTED BY SHAWN McCRANEY AND GET EDUCATED FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!.
MrA1Goku 4 weeks ago
@MrA1Goku Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@MrA1Goku We are Christian... We beleive that Joseph Smith himself saw God AND Jesus. Our teachings say that we are trying to be more Christ-like and we have a song that the little kids sing: "I am trying to be like Jesus". We beleive in trying to still follow the ten commandments unlike some religions I know... Jesus himself followed the commandments. We walk in Jesus's footsteps to become like him... And, you can't trust someone who says something about a church they aren't a part of...
trumpetboy262 4 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 True.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
You want respect and tolerance but ignore the fact that the all churches on earth in Joseph Smith's time would be an abomination and founded by Satan (1 Nephi 14, chapter heading, 3--5, 8-17, Joseph Smith-History 1:18-19). If all the churches on earth were of Satan in 1820, why aren't they considered so today?
moparmonster1965 4 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine The fact of the matter is that the Bible tells us to judge righteously and to prove all things.
No, Mormons aren't Christians because the Mormon jesus is a weak potatohead, the product of incest, and a polygamist.
moparmonster1965 4 weeks ago
@moparmonster1965 ...I am not here to argue. I will not be baited into hateful verbal exchanges. If you ever want to have civilized, respectful conversation I would love to continue; but for now, I am done. I pray that you would let go of the hatred & bitterness in you that cause you to hurl the dishonest, degrading insults that you do; and find the peace & joy that Christ offers.
I will continue to pray for you, brother. pm me if you ever want to talk. I will be here.
-God bless.
LDSTrueDoctrine 4 weeks ago
@LDSTrueDoctrine Yes, mparmonster wants to race bait. It is easier than debating something on its actual merits.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
Why do Mormons hate Catholics, Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, and protestant evangelicals so much?
magnus56j 1 month ago
@magnus56j A better question is why do you post nonsensical questions.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@magnus56j We don't, we love everyone. I am friends with all of those you said actually and even dating a Protestant currrently. To go into more detail, we love them so much that we (beleiving we are the true church) try to spread the word to them so that they may know the truth.
trumpetboy262 4 weeks ago
@trumpetboy262 Love makes the world go round.
BornAgainstMormons 3 weeks ago
No, the LDS have not given VALID answers to their critics, only pat and silly ones that when exposed for the lies revert back to "I testify" what a joke.
Gideon6640man 1 month ago
@Gideon6640man Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
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BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
"Define us by who we are and by our central beliefs rather than who we are not or by obscure or irrelevant beliefs," Michael R. Otterson, managing director of public affairs for the LDS Church, said during a Thursday morning session of a conference called, "Politics and Religion: Getting it Right in 2012."
omiolo 1 month ago
@omiolo Defining us by who we makes it impossible to demonize us.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
News reporters and editors from around the country were urged to allow members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to define themselves rather than to exclusively look to sources outside the church for definitions of what it means to be a Mormon or to explain LDS doctrine or history.
omiolo 1 month ago
@omiolo Sensationalism by those who lack.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
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BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@candiceevans1 Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
The Mormon Temple outside Washington boasts half a million lights at the annual December Festival of Lights. A life-size outdoor nativity scene and hand-bell and choral performances resemble those of most Christian mega-churches' during the holiday season.
omiolo 1 month ago
@omiolo That is a lot of lights. It looks magnificent though coming around the belt route.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Don't forget that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also celebrates Christmas on December 25. Christmas Eve carol services, however, are not staples of Mormon celebrations like they are in Protestant churches. Instead, Mormon traditions include watching the LDS' annual "First Presidency Christmas Devotional" and visiting the decorated Temple Square in Salt Lake City.
omiolo 1 month ago
@omiolo What other day would one celebrate Christmas?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Nothing could stop her from leading the hourlong musical service this year, concluding with scores of former ward members emerging from the congregation to join in the triumphant Hallelujah chorus. The chapel will be filled, as they say, with a "joyful noise."
Doctor-ordered chemotherapy for her bone cancer will have to wait.
omiolo 1 month ago
@omiolo I like Christmas music.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
(By that I mean, for a lack of a better and more concise term, the idea that our beliefs, while uniform, are also faceted from our lives and experiences, I feel we are supposed to take a pro-active approach on what the Gospel means). Back to what I was saying, to say to the individuals who have made a human decision that this is what they really believe, that they were spoon-fed that conclusion, is a little... brash, I guess? I'm trying to make this sound as unsentimental and logic-centric as
Phi1ny3 1 month ago
@Phi1ny3 Is this the second part to something?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Also, not really liking the generalization of us being "sheep" and being close-minded. For some, our process has been up and down, my own spiritual change was one where I had gone from a very, very strong Mormon upbringing to being severely inactive and not wanting anything to do with it (and coming slowly back in, it's almost full circle). To say for some of us who have intimately developed our personal "religion" (
Phi1ny3 1 month ago
@Phi1ny3 What were the turning points?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@BornAgainstMormons I had seen where my life was going, and I had a moment of "catharsis" almost. I always had a struggle to see things spiritually, but I sort of came to realize how much of my life had been helped because of my circumstances I had lived in prior.
Phi1ny3 1 month ago
@Phi1ny3 Vague.
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@silversniper231 I probably came into this debate partway, but I don't understand how the nature and origin of God has to do with his validity in his existence and purpose. Even if transcribed as an ET, may I ask what this has to do with LDS not being Christian? Is it the clash of Biblical v. a modern statement by President Lorenzo Snow?
Phi1ny3 1 month ago
Okay, I generally like to be hopefully more objective, so I'll see if I can offer a rebuttal to the best of my knowledge to some of this anti-Mormon sentiment, just know a lot of this will probably be more speculation, and probably not official. If you would like to give me sources, PM them to me.
Phi1ny3 1 month ago
@Phi1ny3 Who is this comment directed towards?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@BornAgainstMormons It's rebuttal for most of the previous comments, though mostly addressed to silversniper's
Phi1ny3 1 month ago
@Phi1ny3 Are you one and the same?
BornAgainstMormons 4 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons; So what exactly is the point of posting this video?
alliekatRuca 1 month ago
@alliekatRuca To watch.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@BornAgainstMormons soooo, well your username is born against mormons,...so why are you saying this video is bad?
alliekatRuca 1 month ago
@alliekatRuca to the bone.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
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BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
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BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Decker is against the demonic Masonic beliefs and rituals that he claims are at the heart of Mormonism. "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11
He describes Mormons as "...these beautiful people that have a heart for God." He is against the institution not the people. This is anger at what he believes is the work of Satan. All based on his personal experiences as a LDS and with regard to his knowledge of the secrets of the LDS temple.
Benetleilaxyz 1 month ago
@Benetleilaxyz Since we know who Ed Decker would bomb. Who would Jesus bomb?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
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BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Amen and Amen!
THELDSLIFE 1 month ago
@THELDSLIFE and Amen.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
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BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Why do you Mormons always feel the need to censor the comments. That seems to be the way all these Mormon videos and Mormon posters are. Can't handle the truth so you delete or rather do not post someone comments. Don't you know that makes you look foolish and like you have something to hide, because you do. If you don't want me to post, then quit making comments to me.
manderbos 1 month ago
@manderbos Why do so many anti- Mormons feel the need to post vulgarities that need censored?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@BornAgainstMormons I do not know of any Christian who uses vulgarities. I am anit-Mormonism, I love the Mormon, just hate the false doctines.
manderbos 1 month ago
@manderbos Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@BornAgainstMormons I do not know of any Christian who uses vulgarities. I am anit-Mormonism, I love the Mormon, just hate the false doctrines.
manderbos 1 month ago
@manderbos Still nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@AgainstMormons Finally, you posted my comments, took you long enough. But I've grown bored with you and this video, so not worth my time. Wasted enough time trying to get posted and no time for important issues, so chow.
manderbos 1 month ago
@manderbos Please send me your timetable.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@BornAgainstMormons So is that what you are doing? Only blocking comments with foul language? My experience on most all other Mormon videos is that they never post anything, but other Mormons comments. That's what I mean by censorship?
manderbos 1 month ago
@manderbos