Cyprus history from an Official UNHRI report

[kaffir00]

good video

[blagolishche]

not biased my arse! If Israel could have come to the aid of the Jews in Nazi Germany, would the Jews have been critisised for not wanting to live with the Germans again? It might be an official report but its a one sided story, and until BOTH side can aknowledge the problems of the past, and desire to move forward. South cyprus seems to want to dwell on their hardship, feeling bruised and sorry for itself. Wake up and shut up

[DJVBasil]

Everyone, both Turkish and Greek talk shit and blame the people on both ends for things that have happened. Nobody has ever blamed the zionists that are behind it all. When the fuck is everyone going to wake up when it comes to that?

[ncroc]

You gotta be kidding me

Watch Lost Bus of Cyprus and try come up with some bullshit for that too.

What does it matter if the murderers are Greek ? Its people like you who saved the EOKA murderers and let them kill innocent.poor people. You are disgrace to not only Greeks but to the whole humanity.

[ralfiona]

fuck off

[OrphicHymn]

You always made up stories in order to realize your planned crimes and you always made up stories in order to justify them afterwards. This was true as well as before the invasion of 1974 as also after. Stories like the "Children in the bathtub". Its story? the family was killed by their OWN father, Nihat Ilhan (not a turkish-cypriot) in a stage of amok, he slayed his wife and three children in his house in the center of Leukosia.

[OrphicHymn]

It was Denktash and his TMT agents who placed the bodies in the bathtub and who commanded the photographer Ahmet Baran to take pictures and to distribute them claiming that the Greeks killed the family. The same photographer who took these pictures confessed that the story was faked and that the aim was to convince the world that the Greeks commit genocide against the turkish cypriots.

[nurci67]

@OrphicHymn u Greeks can never own up to what u have done killing inoccent children in such a brutal way, and now you blame Turks for doing this u lot are jokers man i cant belive you can claim such a thing. U did commit genocide there are many grves with whole villages of Turks found shot and buried in pits, oh but I suppose the Turks done that as well yeah.

[OrphicHymn]

Same tactic you used before also in the 50's (staged bombing of the house of Ataturk in Thessaloniki by Turkish secret service) in order to start the killings against the few Greeks who remained in Constantinople. This were the Pogroms in 1955, the Kristallnacht of Hellenism in Constantinople.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

The Akritas plan was based on the right of self-determination and in this case the re-unification of Cyprus with Greece. The turkish cypriots, which were a minority of 12%, would have all MINORITY RIGHTS: And these points of the plan went against the grain of Turks, as well as for the English and American interests.

[skylofts]

Under the Akritas Plan, the Greek Cypriots sought to annihilate the entire Turkish Cypriot population on Cyprus. Greek Cypriots started this campaign of annihilation of the Turkish Cypriot people on December 20, 1963. This atrocious night is known as Bloody Christmas. Bloody Christmas is to Turkish Cypriots what Kristallnacht is to the Jewish people.

[demco27]

@skylofts : Since 1963 the Turks started destroying monasteries and killing the monks. One of the monasteries is "Panayia Galaktoforousa" in Kornos, Nicosia. The Turks there killed 2 monks. One of them was just 14 YEARS OLD. Then they burned the monastery and chopped the icons. The prior of the monastery survived. If you visit the monastery today you will see those icons. So stop telling me that Greeks were the only ones who did bad thinks. Im just wondering who really started doing these things

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

That is why the turkish invasion of 1974 had the blessings of the great powers. And that is how the turks managed to occupy 37% of the island and to import over 120.000 settlers from Turkey to the area.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

"Naturally Turkey has strategic interests in Cyprus. It is fortunate that the Turkish Cypriot community exists here. Even if the Turkish Cypriot community did not exist, Turkey would not have left Cyprus to Greece."

Turkish occupation representative Rauf Denktash, 23 July 1985

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Excerpts of the Akritas Plan:

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature; (iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and (v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

(i) The Greek efforts are directed towards removing unreasonable and unfair provisions of administration and not to oppress the Turkish Cypriots;

(ii) The removal of these oppressive provisions must take place now because tomorrow it will be too late;

(iii) The removal of these provisions, despite the fact that this is reasonable and necessary, because of the unreasonable attitude of the Turks is not possible bv agreement, and therefore unilateral action is justified;

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

(iv) The issue of revision is an internal affair of the Cypriots and does not give the right of military or other intervention;

(v) The proposed amendments are reasonable, just, and safeguard the reasonable rights of the minority.

"Such a reason could be an immediate declaration of Enosis before stages (a) - (c) or serious inter-communal violence which would be presented as massacres of the Turks."

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

"Reason (a) has already been dealt with in the first part and, consequently, it remains only to consider the danger of inter-communal violence. Since we do not intend, without provocation, to attack or kill Turks, the possibility remains that the Turkish Cypriots, as soon as we proceed to the unilateral amendment of any article of the constitution,"

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

"will react instinctively, creating incidents and clashes or stage, under orders, killings, atrocities or bomb attacks on Turks, in order to create the impression that the Greeks have indeed attacked the Turks, in which case intervention would be justified, for their protection."

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

"Tactics. Our actions for constitutional amendments will be in the open and we will always appear ready for peaceful negotiations. Our actions will not be of a provocative or violent nature."

"Should clashes occur, they will be dealt with in the initial stages legally by the legally established security forces, in accordance with a plan. All actions will be clothed in legal form."

[ezzman24]

what a load of crap... how do u explain the Akritas plan and what was its aim??!! u do your history research!

[Theognostos]

Agreed

[velisapollon]

Asiktir malakismenoi!!Fuck you turkey!Cyprus is greek!Learn the history of the island mother fuckers!!

[youngidis]

Divided we stand, together we perish

[greekdancer01]

true

[SeaOfStooges]

PS - if your point is that the Turkish-Cypriots have prevented unification of the island, why did they vote 65% IN FAVOR of unifying the island in 2004 when the Greek-Cypriots voted 75% AGAINST unification? Hypocrite.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Hypocrite?

do tell me, have you actually read and understood the context of the Annan FIASCO?

Let me ask a couple of questions:

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

* Were the H-C that would decide to return to their ancestral homes in the North forbidden of having children since the 6% analogy per village had to be maintained.. Is this not a clear definition of GENOCIDE as described in AUN Res. 260 d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group ?

[SeaOfStooges]

True, T/C leadership under Dektash was terrible, he even knew about these massacres against his own people and did nothing...and Turkey invaded...and now history is forever stained and no one even remembers the Turkish-Cypriots because any moral highground they ever had was lost with all of the stupidity that the Turks did.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

post 2

did nothing? man he provoked them, he was one of the founders of Turkish and British backed VOLCAN and later TMT.

But where you are wrong is your reference to memories, everyone remembers, everyone knows, hence why the T-C DEMAND the partition of the illegal occupation troops since they fear their total cultural annihilation. Unfortunately THAT is the truth that is being covered.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

* Would ALL H-C be allowed to return to his occupied home?

* Would the illegal occupation forces leave the island as so many UN Resolutions have demanded?

* Would they not only be allowed to remain on the island by avoiding to implement the full demilitarisation, but would also have the right to intervene after Cyprus became a member of the EU??

* Would the illegal settlers be forced to leave the island or did the plan commemorate the breach of the Geneva Convention ?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

*Were these same H-C forbidden from opening Hellenic speaking schools should they chose to endure this Genocide?

* Did the FIASCO not provide the T-C with a 50-50 representation and by doing so forcing the majority into a minority status?

I could continue, but the point is that by presenting the rejection of the Annan FIASCO as an argument, you simply indicate that you ignore its context and are simply a victim of propaganda.

[SeaOfStooges]

WOW!! MAKEDONIAisHELLAS is focusing on all the wrong points. Next time, please try to put together a video about EOKA, its plans to unify Cyprus with Greece and to wipe out the Turkish-Cypriots from the island, and how your pskyzophrenic Archbishop Makarios actively fostered terrorism and how Greek-Cypriots decimated entire Turkish-Cypriot villages (Sandallar, Muratag, Atillar, and Taskent, for starters)...(to be continued above...)

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Sea

a) I'm not focusing on anything, I'm simply citing what the Official UNHRI report states, so if you have an issue with it, do take it to the UN.

b)unification is one thing, but wipe out is a total fallacy promoted by TMT.

c) Makarios did nothing of the sort but even if he did, there was NO single T-C target prior to the formation of VOLCAN and TMT.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

d) the events you mention are well known and have been denounced, but keep in mind that they took place after the 2nd illegal wave of the Turkish invasion.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

* Was the plan not totally descriminatory by allowing the T-C to immediately return to the South while ONLY 20% of the H-C could return to the North and this within the process of 25 years ?

* Were all Turkish crimes of killing, looting, pilage not swept under the carpet in a clear breach of the European Convention on Human Rights??

[sistafista123]

the north region of cyprus is occupied lands... since 1974 There have been 100,000 turkish settlers moved in in violation of international law and the geneva convention. This occupied land is not recognized by any country other than turkey (the people who invaded the island). Everyone join the fight to remove 100,000 turkish settlers and 40000 turkish troops from cyprus.

[gonanli]

mustafa sandal ft. gentleman- isyankar... clip in İSTANBUL... from TURKİSH REPUBLİC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS... CYPRUS=TURKİSH

[sistafista123]

EXO H TOURKI APO THN KYPRO!

[sinhil]

fuck greece fuck rums fuck england

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

No little tellak, FUCK intellectual midgets like yourself that are raised to hate the truth.

[sinhil]

also FUCK makedonia

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Seems like those tweezers and the magnifying glass have made you believe you can fuck the entire world. I guess they remind you of your glory days at the Ortakoy 'animal safehouse' where you had your way with DOGS.

TURKS PAY TO FUCK DOGS

hurarsiv,hurriyet,com,tr/goste­r/ haber,aspx?viewid=172761

[sinhil]

i fuck makedonian girl last night she said makedonian boys cant fuck us because their penis is nothing

hahahahahahahahha

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Yeah little tellak you fucked them all and since then, every girl at the nursery is asking for you the sick pedophile.

[whitemagick4]

your poor attempt to write english only points out your poor educational background of your poorly developed country. I would suggest enriching your vocabulary beyond the word fornication even if this is hard as it is the only human function you can perform quite possibly poorly as well to reflect your general background.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Now you little asshole that you've said your piece, do you have anything to add about Cyprus, do you have any comment on the illegal occupation troops that noone but your facist military ruled government wants on the island ?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Think carefully on what you post if you continue under the same norm your next post will be your last.

[kat4ever11]

very good video..I have some turkish cypriots friends that they are still oppressed by the regime in the occupied area.MOST TURKISH CYPRIOTS HATE THE ARMY AND THE GYPSIES BROUGHT FROM TURKEY!!!

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Very true my friend. Its common knowledge that the Turkish Cypriots feel that they are being swallowed up by the illegal importation of settlers from the mainland, but the nationalists that rush to support the illegal regime don't give a flying fuck about the TC's needs, all they care about is supporting some non-existant Turkish pride that they've been raised to believe in.

[chypre77]

When we admit that our politicy was always ENOSIS-oriented, and when they (TC) admit that their policy was always partition oriented, we might have a chance to live together. Nationalists from both sides (TMT-EOKA B) destroyed the island and none has paid, yet.

[chypre77]

They both say that nationslists from both sides massacred innocent civilians and they both want justice. Instead of that, they were both criticised by their people that they are traitors, cause they gave in publicity proves that their people commited crimes. Instead of fighting each other, why dont we apologise each other? None is better than the other. (cont)

[chypre77]

You people are pathetic. You try to blame each other who commited crimes, made mistakes etc. You should have known by now that BOTH communities created a 33-year old propaganda and blinded you, poisoned your hearts with hatred and misery. I am greek cypriot, not a nationalist, and i admire both Sener Levent and Angastiniotis. Both of them are saying the same thing. (cont.)

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

chypre77.

I suggest you read some of the comments prior to throwing labels, once you do you'll find that some of us do condemn the attrocities, but that is one thing and presenting facts a totally different issue.

[girnelibob]

hey MAKEDONIAisHELLAS. Do you know anything about Tony Angastiniotis. He is greek and he will tell you the truth. search Tony Angastiniotis from youtube. you will see his videos.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

I know who Tony is and what he's said. The question is IF you know who Sener Levent and why his paper has been bombed so many times with your government's approval ?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Do you know anything about TMT and who's behind both A' and B' which is terrorizing the North as we speak ?

Do you know who ISMAIL TANSU is and if you do explain WHY he wrote of preparations for DAY X and why he defines it as Dec. 21st 1963?

Should I continue or is this too much for you ?

[TheCyMan]

1963 -- 1974 the greeks committed a wholesale massacre of Turkish Cypriot women and children. Turkey was forced to take military action in order to prevent further GENOCIDE. For an unbiased western account of the slaughter of Turkish Cypriot civilians by Greek & Greek Cypriot GENOCIDERS read THE GENOCIDE FILES by Fleet Street Middle East Correspondent Harry Scott Gibbons

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

You call your PAID PROPAGANDIST unbiased??

Look moron, you want unbiased, go ask your mama who the TMT was and what they did to their own, go read your own Sener Levent's accounts, ask him how many times his newspaper has been BOMBED by your government to shut him up..

THAT you little turd is the truth and not what some asswit propagandist says especially since he changed his original 1968 statements to satisfy his employers.

[ripster100]

its a shame you dont know your own history...there were problems in 63 and 67 because turkcypriot terrorist were trying to break up the republic of cyprus they hid in villages of tc and unfortunately civilians were killed nevertheless the UN stated that 67- 74 no problems the turkcyp were working and living with greeks with no problems.....

[messymodeler]

ok back here again. how about the atrocities your heros committed are they ok and justified? di they do it the right way. lots of killing and bombing, yea thats how to find peace.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Some may justfullly critisize their choice of action, others see it as no other way. Wasn't the official request presented not only to the British but also towards the UN?

It was, wasn't the notion of self-determination fully supported since ww1?

It also was, so when a people aren't respected they do tend to react, I do believe it was you that spoke of pushing only so far, even though you used it in the wrong example.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

are you probably going to suggest that they should have remained under British yoke, be nothing more than their colony and if so, would you probably blame all countries in the Balkans for wanting their liberty and self-determination ?

[messymodeler]

your last post could be so easaily applied to yourself. this is an argument that has no end. you did this we did that. where will it end. i ask what do we do now.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Sorry but it can't cause the major difference is that I openly condemn the attrocities of Aug. 74' while you attempt to legitimize not only those of 74' but also everything that lead to the current predicament.

You titled the HRI propaganda !!!!

[messymodeler]

if you have noticed i have not quoted anybody here but if you insist. how about harry scott gibbons? have you read the genocide files? in the end we could argue the same point again and again. i ask you what do we do now? where do we go from here?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

I already mentioned Gibbons and his conveniently revised 1997 version of the events he described in 69.

I'll be making a video about him, Moran, Stephens and all the so-called Turkish Cypriot friends that have done so little to support them but oh, so much to legitimize the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION, the ILLEGAL COLONIZATION and of course their own wallets which they began filling with a HUGE land mass in the OCCUPIED North.

[messymodeler]

sorry who ordered a break in the cease fire. was that a greek name i see. so you did not stop. you wanted to kill more. it looks like the first intervention failed and turkey had to reiterate a point

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Whats his face Esevit or however its spelled.

But your one-sided approach is more than evident, you totally justify the condemned by TRUE T/C actions of TMT and attempt to legitimize the massacres, rapes and some 200.000 refugees by speaking of retaliation..

What can I say.. pathetic.

[messymodeler]

would you not be ready to shoot after 11 years of living in tents as a refuge in your own country. after seeing your family killed for being turkish. you can only push so far. and i see your glossing over the start again...

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

You are the brainwashed school child as proven from this post. IS U Thant also a part of our propaganda machine when he speaks of SELF-ISOLATION, is Galo Plaza also a propagandist for reporting that the T/C leaders demanded PHYSICAL PARTITION and MOVING THE T/C into ONE OR MORE AREAS ??

[messymodeler]

just like you say invasion and not intervention. turkey waited 11 years for the world to save us. only once all the political channels failed did she move in. and how far? to the green line drawn in the 50's. ask yourself why did turkey stop where she did.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

The so-called 'intervention' ended once the junta withdrew, it became an INVASION the very second all parties were discussing a peaceful end and Esevit ordered the break of CEASE FIRE and the second wave which lead to the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION.

[messymodeler]

ok so your gonna argue the day you heros killed lots of people. fine. intercommunal violence is a term used by only your side. if you want to continue to believe the propaganda your leaders told you in school. who drew first blood? you are not innocent. admit it.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

ALL UN and HRI reports title it as INTERCOMMUNAL VIOLENCE. one of several reports is the one in the video, the same report which you due to your ignorance titled our propaganda machine.

If you want to debate facts, fine, but if you're here to spread some stupid Turkish inferiority complex, don't bother.

[messymodeler]

intercommunal clash of 63'...how you make it sound like you had no part of the tragedy. you started it dude. can you admit that? who drew first blood?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

How I make it sound???

ALL OFFICIAL either UN, HR reports or even independant accounts title it as such yet you try to suggest that I have something to do with this title?!?

Who??

well accounts vary, Gibbons that originally suggested that a H/C patrol killed 2 T/C while one H/C officer was killed, later revised his claims and only mentions the 2 T/C.

H/C reports suggest a patrol opening fire during a road-block when a group of armed T/C refused to stop for the check.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

Fact of the matter is that the T/C were fully armed and no matter how it started, were quite willing to start shooting when DAY X came.

[messymodeler]

yea and two days later your heros show us why, remember the infamous bloody Christmas. your religious celebration, is this how you promote peace?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

2 days.. Christmas???

21 + 4 = 25, its simple math.

Yes I know about the events of the 25th, but why don't you say a word about the H/C deaths???

But of course their lives are of little value to you as seen in your comment above.

Do tell me, WHY are the events titled INTERCOMMUNAL VIOLENCE???

[messymodeler]

yea ok and these people were nice peace loving folk were they? killing innocents huh. once the british were done your heros turned on turks.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

This is a total FALLACY. The ONLY T/C victims prior to TMT instigation through the propaganda bombing already mentioned were T/C employed as British auxilliary after the Brit-Turk London talks of 1955'.

If you can present not many, but a single occasion of any T/C civilian being intentionally targeted prior to the intercommunal clash of 63'.

Its a well proven fact that the H/C EOKA A' victims surpass the combined amount of T/C and Brits.

[messymodeler]

so in your own words you wanted the turks out of cyprus. when was it that greece was your mother land? when the italians were in power or the turks? we are talking 2000 years of history here. let me know. show me when cyprus was greek.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

MY own words???

Where on earth did I suggest anything remotely close ???

If you want to have any form of discussion, DON'T twist nor put words in my mouth.

When Cyprus was Hellenic.. well anyone with basic knowledge of the island's history can speak of colonization and continuous presence as seen both in population and culture since 1400 BC

[messymodeler]

you are so blind. who was it that formed eoka. what the hell was that all about? why was the main street in lefkosa called murder mile? your people were gunning down women and children as they shopped. you are so brainwashed. i ask you why was the TMT formed? you are the bully in this situation. either way its only the turks that were being ethnically cleansed. all that happened to your people was retaliation not instigation. why do you keep on glossing over this very important point?

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

OK, history lesson..

EOKA

formed to liberate the island from British yoke, in the depth of their minds existed a desire to unite with what they considered their motherland, Hellas.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

murder mile.

Had NOTHING to do with T/C deaths but with the constant EOKA attacks on British patrols on the street in question.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

TMT

TMT was formed by to achieve the objectives that VOLKAN had totally failed to achieve. I strongly suggest you find and read Ismail Tansu's book (co-founder of TMT), there you'll read about preparations for 'DAY X', which he defines as Dec. 21st 1963

[messymodeler]

rubbish rubbish and more rubbish. who on earth would want to live under a government that openly endorses genocide? who are you kidding. once again your greek propaganda machine is working overtime. the greeks drew first blood and yet still proclaim to be the innocents. if it wasent so sad i would laugh. is that your sole purpose. to prove somehow that greeks did nothing wrong in this whole sorry affair. its a bit late for your propaganda. the world has access to the truth now.

[MAKEDONIAisHELLAS]

messy

So now HRI is OUR propaganda machine !!!

Since the world does indeed have access to the truth, I strongly suggest that all viewers look up the date of JUNE 7th 1958 and the actions of the TURKISH FORMED TMT.

They'll all learn about the TMT PROPAGANDA BOMBING of the Press Office which had as its sole purpose to instigate intercommunal violence.

Denktash achived his objective that very night !!!

[ripster100]

yes they have the truth messy but the truth doesnt support your point of view...The tc started all of this through directions from Turkey when they were supposedly signing an agreement with the greek cyp they had the other holding turkeys dick...know your history you are making a fool out of yourself here  on these forums....

[napoleonette]

Another historically accurate video, may congratz.