Max roach-Drum Waltz

[joyfulnoise63]

The title is "The Drum Also Waltzes"

[jeremyw5]

Beginning of moby dick anyone?

[stashcode]

@jeremyw5 LMFAO!

[wassuporange90]

very good!!

[roache73]

I am from Alabama we might be related.

[GOOBERMYER]

there is no rhythm at all...

[Ostinato827]

@GOOBERMYER There is a Ostinato...

[M0ofi32012]

All hail the Great Max!

[2real2touch]

Sometimes he reminds me a child exploring a drum kit for the first time

[SoundSpaceOdyssey]

from a technical standpoint there's a ton of drummers who are a lot better then him, but when it comes down to it, it's all about music!! He is one very musical dude, super creative, and just awesome.

[Earthdogbonzo3]

Bonzo plays this idea in Seattle, July 17, 1977. Same 1 2 3 feel with different attack emphasized between tom-toms, bass-drum and snare.

[xis10ce]

i've never seen a drum solo... within a drum solo

[dondorward2010]

one of the best!! a very musical drummer........

[GMD825]

@Jakeysevenfold.. LMMFAO !!! Good one! The way it sounded, it could of been ..!

[billyjoeboomboom]

Never occured to me before seeing this - does anyone know if Tony Williams took lessons from Max? Their sound is (or rather, was) so different but something about the way they hold the sticks, strike the drums, and their dynamics seems so much alike.

[MarcialGacho]

Ostia que loco, pero que bueno, jajajaja, buenisimo Max Roach

[FirebirdBeats]

Useless Comment with Much of Thumbs up.

[ClipTheAmputechture]

Those cymbals sound amazing! O:

[jakeysevenfold]

Holy shit I actually thought that was Barack Obama drumming.

[ThatHyperKyd]

Now you know where John Bonham derived Moby Dick from.

[bamwow09]

@ThatHyperKyd and Questlove intro solo on Masters of Wars

[RogerioMgouveia]

O som que ele consegue tirar da bateria realmente é muito musical!

[PKTANGEL]

Beastly. Truely use of a drumset right here.

[PQleyR]

Hey, John Bonham references this solo in the version of Moby Dick on the Led Zeppelin DVD, doesn't he?

[SiCmetalfan]

yes he does, so does neil peart during his live solos

[michaelpc420]

JB was a HUGE Max fan. If you become familiar with Max you can hear his influence in a lot of '70s stuff.

My question is did Max ever break a sweat? So smooth and effortless.

[kvorbach]

carnas

[redsox1006]

I agree with your opinion of this video, but he's still a great drummer.

[kvorbach]

can i have the bacon eggs spam spam youtube reply spam thumbs down thumbs up spam spam spam?

[redsox1006]

*sudden sprinting*

[kvorbach]

*removes sunglasses*

jesu...beans...

[Grifwilson]

that fleetfox dude must be listening to a lot of fleet foxes.. bad folk/rock? get some class and wake up, man. jazz owns you. you dont even know it!

i hope you atleast do some research

[bcwdrums]

No one plays like Max......

[physicalbreakdown]

Ladies and Gentlemen an old Mr. Barack Obama on drums!!

[ClarkKasheta]

I've always enjoyed Max Roach. He approaches the set like it is a real musical instrument. Not many people can play as artistically as he.

[Axlegos]

The drums are a real musical instrument........

[drdo1988]

of course

[iloveredhotchilis]

They are when max plays them

[bent230]

fleetfox88...you evidently have no clue about that which you speak, you may find Max's performance boring....but Max is truly a master on the drum set. He has influenced practically every modern monster jazz drummer on the planet in one way or another. His influence on the jazz genre is quite vast.... it might behoove you to research his playing further, he is actually an increibly talented musician.....

[fleetfox88]

well I suppose he would have to employ the use of odd time signatures in order to mask an apparent lack of fucking chops. this shit is just boring.

[SiCmetalfan]

max roach a lack of chops? haha that a funny joke man

[jgrab1]

Err, yeah. Sure...

[drumlord420]

I agree with you.

[Antiks72]

That's way cool.

[AirHendrix91]

Lol awesome. He clearly is having fun on the kit.

This guy is great :D.

Nice that Bonzo took a couple bits for Moby Dick :D.

[drejadrums]

Bonham played this in Moby Dick, at Royal Albert Hall.

[loofascraper]

Except Max Roach is better.

[KalashnikoV247]

Well, I'd hesitate to say either is "better." They're apples and oranges who both contributed immensely to their respective genres.

In respect to playing the "Drum Waltz," however, I would agree that the title has to go to Roach.

[BillionYearSP]

Thank you! It's so refreshing to hear someone say that. Many drummers I've spoken with in the past always found it amusing when I would try to explain to them that even Ringo Starr had contributed a lot to the rock n roll genre.

I read a comment recently by someone who said that Buddy Rich is better than Papa Jo Jones. I'm sure they learned from one another, and I actually enjoy Papa's playing much more. But I;ll never say that one is better than the other.

Thanks again.

[ishredu]

but this was max's tune first..however I was moved that bonzo quoted from this solo...great!

[FlamingoReaper]

WARNING: This video is not meant for the arhythmic, amusical, or just anyone who can't get beyond 4/4. Ya' dig?

[Stiny114]

@FlamingoReaper Travis Barker?

[Ronnybengt]

the only retarded thing is the person making such an remark about a founding father has spoken...skater ...shape up

[skatesurfersnowboard]

retarded

[aassyr1111]

the shells part is lame

[najtrows]

nah

[aassyr1111]

yah it was lame fucker

[najtrows]

nah, it was rad. really cool actually. cooler than anything you can do. you suck. really fucking lame is what you are. but yeah it was cool :)

[matmoose]

haha, this is my new favourite Youtube argument!

[najtrows]

haha, i had forgotten about this.

its my new old favourite too!

[about1time]

@najtrows post more comments where you sound retarded plxxx

[quackbeef]

he reminds me of barack obama. great solo, i am quitting metal and starting jazz drumming this is a great solo

[fuzzbalah]

great to see him recreate this solo again at a much later age!

[manyturns]

You right man...

[ace76543]

you don't know much about drums do you?

[joedeshields]

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

what is there to know about drums that makes this video look so great huh?

[acc1890]

Not musical at all? I think you need to give it another listen, man. Part of the reason Max Roach is so revered is because with him the music comes first. It's not about showing off speed or chops. If you want to see chops, watch him play bop. The man CAN play stuff that will blow your mind but he doesn't. That's part of the beauty of Max Roach.

[guitarman63mm]

Exactly. Same deal with Miiles. He could play at 240 bpm when he chose, but his less is more approach made him different.

[rakkfatha]

nice sounding drumset fantastic drummer

[xNattefrost]

Good drummer.

But you can't help but laugh at the between the tom tapping.

[egdirt]

im inclined to agree

[Jicim]

betcha he enjoyed that

[redstone1963]

Just beautiful. This man is a joy to watch. Thank you for the post.

[TotalDeadEnd]

Keeping the hi-hat and kick on beat while doing completely random stuff with the hands is very difficult.

[T7thK]

lol just realized, he looks kinda like morgan freeman

[uzebdrumz]

the ostinato independence benchmark...

[Swinger88]

Sick Nasty

[MrFreeman420]

TriHawn shut the fuck up because you have no idea what in the hell your talking about

[theteak]

I'm a rock drummer of intermediate skill and watching this gave me a whole bunch of ideas. Very creative and skillful.

[Paradiddle]

Perhaps instead of judging a musician's work based on a backward ass logic that demands every detail to be laid out in front of your simple eyes, you should take to mind what the musician is actually doing. Can you keep the bass on 1 and the hi-hat on 2 while leaving 3 to space and then continuing the remainder of your solo with that ostinato underneath every note? Do your limbs have the independence to even concieve that idea? Shit, can you even count in 3/4?

Get a perspective, you tool.

[1by1illknockuout]

Max Roach is a beast. I enjoy all types of drumming, it's all very skillful, I wish I could drum like this. I think Grant McFarland of This or the Apocalypse is great too, but he more than likely couldn't do this, and Max more than likely couldn't play "Mauna Kea" either. You can't really compare hard rock and metal drummers like Grant McFarland or Matt Greiner or even Travis Barker to jazz drummers like Roach, Blakey, or big banders like Rich and Krupa. Just different styles, but all awesome.

[T7thK]

well said, people who don't have a taste in jazz won't enjoy this as much as people who do.

[kashmir33]

OH!! a bunch of ignorance again!! keep listening to your big idols like..Travis Barker maybe??

I don't understand..if you don't like this kind of music,o real talented drummer like Roax..what the F*** are you doing here writting stupid comments,anyway..you only show your GREAT intelligence!!

[TriHawkStudios]

What a fake - thats no skill - Yes, I know he's intentionally not keeping a beat through some of the solo, but as he's going down the toms - his sticks are all over the place, hitting against each other, hitting rims by accident etc. Not good.

[Kiddymeow]

Even I, at 13 been playin drums for 2.5 years can see that this guy is a genius, if u dont have the years to listen closely enough that when hes tapping the rims and his sticks together that they are always in pattern then idk wtf ur doing responding to this.

[schelter300]

It's not by accident! He loved experimenting with rims & sticks and stuff. There are like thirty seconds at the beginning of his solo in "The Third Eye" where all he does is tap rims and sides!

[WORMED3]

Ya gotta laugh at the "In between the toms" tappin' ; )

[GGFan]

OUTSIDE THE BOX

[junkie2324]

that was so retarded!!!

[benvcarlson]

Max - not musical? ha!

[diexico]

dude its a SOLO

a solo its composed by 80% technical 20%musical..that 20% its on the hi-hats and kick!

- learn more about music

[DFitzTube]

one of the most creative drummers

[tenormadness126]

HA!  1:10 is awesome!

[tittyslave]

i definitly hear parts from the moby dick played at royal albert hall.

[maryted]

Roach,Rich, and Morello were huge influences on Bonham. "The Drum Also Waltzes" was one of Bonham's homage to Roach that he performed with Zepplin earler in their day. That solo eventually led to Moby Dick for Bonham. If you listen to "Dazed and Confused" it follows the same structure.

[frusciboy]

i think neil peart got his solo idea from max!!

[maryted]

He did.

[oneslow50]

Neil specifically cited this particular piece as the impetus behind his "waltz section" of his drum solo in "anatomy of a drum solo".

Granted, he was referring to the 50s when Max first created this, but people today are so impressed with speed and flailing that they refuse to realize that everything popular today started with simple building blocks such as this more then 50 years ago.

[AstAMoore]

Five-starred and favorited! Thank you so much for sharing!

[AirHendrix91]

See kids, Bonham was influenced by this great drummer :D.

[ghostofdolphy]

He's super imposing poly rhythms with the right and left hand over the Waltz accented with the feet.

Max was one of the first 4 Way Independence masters on the modern drum set. To play a freeform solo while holding steady waltz time with the feet is no small feat.

Why does he hit his hardware? Just because.

Why does a saxophone growl, scream, bend and etc. They weren't *made* to do that, but it's expression.

[goldenfarmer]

lol, he is so noob with the sinple roll. :D

[BIGDO13]

greatest of all time....Brooklyn stand up!!

[traderfreak]

he still gots it awsome

[snaredrummer107]

because its unique

[kneedownskaggs]

I dont understand why he hits the hardware...

[goldenfarmer]

it's "art" :D

[rascalrascal]

more sounds

[thndesmondsaid]

Im a drummer myself, i think the hardest technique he does here is when he does the snare and symbols and he always hits the symbols so lightly and cleanly. great solo.

[denbatt]

top hi hat is smaller, interesting.....

[oepoeroe]

is it a rookie?

[musicking37]

i want to be as good as him =(

[bcolborn]

be as good as you. Nobody will be Max

[karoloandria]

if you practise evry day with the time you gone to be good

and i say is a long time, look at him he is old and experienced

[goldenfarmer]

"look at him he is old and experienced"

but still plays like a rookie. i handled roll same way after 2 days of having the drumkit, MR is still struggling with basic technique after decades of playing.

[karoloandria]

i dont know im not drummer

[MarkR1957]

I will never be comfortable with a Jazz drummer using matched grip as his main grip.

Here, Max's buzz roll sounds like a high school kid. Very poor.

What the hell was he thinking, changing over to matched grip like this?

Instead of becoming a better player as time went on, he was far worse than he was in the 50's and 60's.

What the hell?

[rudeass]

Check out bill stewart......matched grip and awesome player.

[crashxdrummer]

okay you shitnut.

apparently u dont know anything about max roach.

let's just put it this way: drumming back in those days were completely different from now.

have some respect for him

[kr1507]

anyone who cant appreciate this is definately not a real drummer the reason why this is amazing because he actually making music with his drummers and barely any drummers can do that these days

[mcaly]

Bless Roach

[iloveyouvanessa]

drummer with solo R.I.P we miss you!

[STRATman2614]

isnt what max is doing at 00:58 what bonham does at the beginning of his moby dick drum solo?

watch?v=cRuTcnd8YLU <watch at 1:00 in the video

[SilverMage0]

Yep. I caught that too.

[aahmm]

oh yeah nice catch

[jaralleras]

Yes, it is, there is also a version from that suite by Bill Bruford

[qwertykeyboard90]

Really unique style, great sense of timing, and innovative. However, although I love jazz (especially the impromptu, free spirited jazz), I've seen inexperienced drummers just trying to mess around and play as fast as possible sound almost as good. Impromptu doesn't have to be so free spirited that it lacks a groove in the same way that free verse poetry may lack both meter and rhyme yet still maintains a general thought or idea, no matter how vague, mysterious or obscure it is.

[Nirvana9693]

he has a rlly unique style

[bentsimon]

I like the bit with the drummer

[masahiro44]

his technique is sooo good i like it alot

[mcsewannabe69]

Unreal. I've tried to find flaws in that performance and the man is like drum machine!

[evomination]

genious

[squid262]

The end where he holds his hands up was kinda gay lol but still hes cool

[kaymanclark]

Hahaha atleast he didn't hold them over his head in a X shape and yell I love you new york! Although that would have been awesome to see HAHA

[Tapirman]

all the haters out there need to back off Max Roach. Just because you don't like Jazz doesn't mean you can't appreciate the fact that he was an innovator.

[Rickisan]

First off... it's counted 1 2 3. Okay concentrate on the bass drum and hi-hat. Notice those never change no matter what is happening with the hands. You wanna hear boring? Just listen to some 20 something playing single strokes with his Double-Bass pedals... lot of those on youtube! They'll be easy to find... ha ha ha

[bobooshka]

hahahaha. thumbs up to you, sir.

[PFjunkie]

Amen

[HarmonicMinorJ]

Listen to the third eye solo if you want to hear poor time and speeding up and slowing down haha

[NewsMan580]

its a solo.

[yonopuedo90]

hey HarmonicMinorJ, you don't know what you're talking about. A solo is a solo.

[george0911]

yeah..

[RWIron]

thats what i said and people start bitching lol. They got his BACK! lol dumbassess.

[RWIron]

yeah this was boring~~~ putting the stick between the 2 toms on top was gayyyyyy.

[SammyLaDue]

i think the problem is that when you do it, everybody stares in disgust, but when he does it, jaws drop. jealously is harnessable, all you have to do is spend a little more time in the practice room.

[RWIron]

Im just saying this solo was frekaing boring. Not saying he sucks lol.

[SammyLaDue]

You sir listen to too much Linken Park

[RWIron]

umm... not a fan of Linken Park and not a rock player either.

[MysteryMan1889]

im not a fan of them but its spelled linkin park

[jeffkahl]

Bonzo totally used the "1 e and a" pattern in the live Moby Dick solo! That's fuckin cool!

[ryegi]

it may be boring to some kats but this man right here truly has paved the way for the drummers of today. a true ledgend. He was the master of the hi hat, i encourage all drummers to check him out on that stuff, then i bet you it won't be so "boring". RIP MAX.

[Thomlistentoslayer]

watch buddy rich circa 1967 now thats a fucking solo thats not boring!!!!!!!

[jeffsaxton22]

@Thomlistentoslayer Gotta tell ya, When Max died KCR played all of his music. One piece was just two drummers, Max & Buddy. No matter how fast Buddy went, Max played just as fast & with several magnitudes of more difficulty technique. I'd like to know the song, record, etc.

I had the privilege of seeing both live (individually). Buddy's great...a jazz legend. But I saw Max give a 2 hr solo concert at Cooper Union to a packed house & got several standing ovations. Max was...The Real Deal!

[brosrstupe]

oh and john bonham sucks.

[AriocKaichi]

Prove it, oh wait you cant i win k thx!

[brosrstupe]

I don't understand how all these people can be so impressed by someone playing a corn ball groove but not a fully conducted drum solo.

[Thomlistentoslayer]

can you say boringgggggggggggggggg as fuck

[tedfaris]

Max Roach - (Mr. Hi Hat)--try this

[valentynesuite]

art is not fastness

[gitchigoomi]

You are absolutely right and you have a good ear and memory. Bonham used this rythmic motif in several songs.

[zgouingo]

I really don't like this chechmate and insipid kick. It's too dryness and choked. He is not to blame (who would dare to blame it?), it must be cause of the recording...

However, he is, and will be for a long time a great, an unbelievable drummer.

I have no right to decide who is the best, and who's not, but I'll will proudly bet on him ;)

[afgan01]

RIP Max.........the world is a sadder place with your passing. thanks for sharing your gift with us. we owe you such a debt of gratitude.

[Zildjian30]

Amen

[xms32]

That's kinda wierd since I didn't say a FUCKING thing to you dick head. Is your fucking name "eyehatevenus"? NO, it isn't.

[AlonsoGonzalez]

rip!

[Synchro5150]

RIP, Max.

[TommyGaffner]

John Bonham used this as inspiration for some of his "Moby Dick" solos, like the one on the Led Zeppelin DVD

[PFjunkie]

That's the first thing I thought of when i heard this. Sounds like the same exact beat almost.

[shakey64]

amazing...I dig the Max Roach videos here. I just bought my first kit three months ago. Lot of my fave drummers like Peart list Max as their influences. Id never heard/seen him till now on UTube. This vid proves what u can do on a 5pc kit! instead of having 10 Zildjians and a double bass..etc.

[eyehatevenus]

dood what a fucking wacko, i'm sorry this shit sucks

[xms32]

Looks like you're the only one that thinks it does. Guess we're all musical idiots or you are. ooops, guess you've been outvoted. Too bad you're tempo deaf and don't know anything about a beat other than the fact of where the 1 beat lays.

[drummer78]

Yeah, try it yourself sometime. The "Drum Also Waltzes" This is one of the more legendary drum solos of all of jazz. The clip above is just one small snippet and a demonstration of a larger piece. A lot of people today seem to think that if it isn't the Mike Mangini "Fastest drums on earth" approach then it sucks. Shows how uneducated we have become.

[scootbp93]

how is that cool

[levisdrummer]

He has got a VERY VERY got coordination.You have to watch The Drum also Waltzes by Neil Peart,it is amazing,too.

[AG007]

Cool. Nice coordination